Yubikey Bio vs Yubikey 5 | Is Fingerprint 2FA Worth an Extra $40?
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- Which 2FA key should you buy? Here is a look at how the new Yubikey Bio, which uses your fingerprint as added security, compares to the Yubikey 5 series, which is widely considered the gold standard in 2FA keys. If you care about your online security, this is IMPORTANT!
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Video Timestamps
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0:00 - Yubikey 5 NFC vs Yubikey Bio
0:28 - My favorite 2FA key
1:00 - Why use a 2FA key with biometrics?
1:45 - Setting up the Yubikey Bio fingerprint
2:33 - Pros and Cons of the Yubikey Bio
5:10 - What if the bio sensor breaks?
6:19 - Yubikey Compatibility: 5 NFC vs Bio
7:29 - Which 2FA key should you use?
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I've been using the Yubikey 5 series 2FA key (2-factor authentication) for many years now and it is an excellent way to secure your online accounts, including Gmail, social media, and investments. But with the introduction of the new Yubikey Bio, many people are confused as to which one they should buy. Here's a quick look at the differences between the two to help you make an informed decision.
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yes, this is very helpful
Glad to hear it!
Very good explanation. Thanks. I just bought 2 x Yubikeys 5 NFC. Since I will be using them on my desktop, laptop, smartphone. That's exactly why I did not choose to buy the biometric version (No NFC).
@@AllThingsSecured i kind of didnt understand how for the laptop its necessary the bio Yubikey but than i could acess the account from a nft yubikey in my cellphone? I thought the only way to acess the account would be with a bio yubikey? Confusing
Hi!I’m sorry to bother you.I have an Apple MacBook Pro.Can I use the Bio series with that,to connect to my computer?(usb port etc.)
My friend who used to do woodworking also recommend you have a backup not based on your fingerprint.
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Add a toe for good measure
hahahahahh
Same for climbers... My macbook's fingerprint reader constantly fails me after a day of bouldering
Hey mate. Just gotta say I browsed your comment section and noticed youve replied to virtually everyone with advice or answers.
Very strong commitment and impressive! I've followed.
Thanks, Daniel. I can't do it for every comment, but I do my best.
This was very helpful, and gave me some clarity. Appreciated the insight!
The USB-C standard is on most newer Android phones, meaning you can use the Biometric function on Android. I'd like to just point out that while you personally use Apple, a large mobile market segment will be able to use the bio series.
@@kellyotter what adapter do you use? I’ve tried one and it doesn’t work.
Do you know if there's a Yubikey for microUSB ports?
You need a micro-USB to USB-C adaptor (See Amazan). Note: Another option is to use a magnet adaptor for both the port on the mobile and, the Yubikey. Unfortunately, magnetic cables do not yet have an IEEE standard so, you are locked into brand and style. @@RogueAmendiaresyourgirl
no. but you can go to the website and find it for your self like any decent human being.@@RogueAmendiaresyourgirl
@@RogueAmendiaresyourgirl I don't think so, but if you're device supports USB to go, you can probably get an adapter.
Dude, this video helped me to decide to buy which key as my backup. Thanks a lot.
My advice for someone just getting into security keys, get 5 series with NFC. Covers the most use cases.
Agreed, Peter. I shared pretty much the same advice in the video. 👍🏻
Doesn’t work for iPads with lightning
Doesn't nfc reduce the security of the key? With a transmitter you can read the key? We lose the security of the hardware encryption principle
@@comecontre7912 read the key? how?if you need to hold the key almost against the key to work? and if so then still how can one decrypt the software on the key?
@@comecontre7912 you should NOT be able to read the secret key!😐
I think you mean an attacker could access the key from a distance.
Great Video on 3 Factor Authentication Josh... Thank You...
1st Factor Auth: ... UserName & PassWord Submited
2st Factor Auth: ... Yubi Key inserted into your Desktop USB and clicked when prompted.
3rd Factor Auth: ... Yubi Key Biometrics test combined with Key and clicked when prompted.
Excellent Video Josh...
Thanks , great information !
Good point about the removal of NFC. I overlooked that initially. Thanks
Glad this was helpful, Marvin. Thanks for the comment!
@Sayed Hamid Fatimi that power can be given by the device itself. so it wont matter. even a cell phone can power the biometric.
any device has way more than enough power to power the biometric of any biometric key.
@@TwstedTV NFC and Biometric? So we'll have another 'You're holding it wrong' situation on our hands.
Awesome thank appreciate it I'm going to buy it early next year
Hope you enjoy it, Mitchell!
Great vid!
Thanks for the video. You answered some questions I had about using it with mobile devices etc. Is the pin backup open to brute force? It would not take long to go though 9999 numbers if it allows 4 digit pins?
A very helpful video! Thank you very much!
Glad it was helpful!
I work for a company that uses cleaning chemicals daily and i've found that when I had the fingerprint scanner on a phone, I had to use multiple fingertips as backups to unlock that phone. The chemicals alter the way my prints registered on the ID pad. So i've become very leery about using my fingerprints for my sole access.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Why don’t you wear gloves? Chemicals are not good for you.
Informative and concise! Thank you. When you say the bio doesn't work with some accounts....basically because the bio doesn't support the authenticator applications. If an online account requires you to use the authenticator app, then you would not be able to use the bio key.
That is correct. I don't think I did a good job of explaining that and perhaps even misspoke about the authentication protocols (I'll need to double check). The important point is that not all accounts accept a 2FA key and since the Bio doesn't have the authenticator - as you say - it can't be used for all your 2FA needs.
@@AllThingsSecured you did a great job. There's a lot to cover and so many different aspects. In the videos that I've done, it always seems I'm missing something in the presentation, so really appreciate your effort thanks again.
@@AllThingsSecured The BIO also doesn’t include PIV. PIV support (when used with a PIN) is also protected if your device is stolen.
Love this info
Question: What do you think of actively using 2 keys (the bio and the NFC)? I mean, using the bio for all the accounts it can be used for, and using the NFC for everything else. (with a third key stowed away as backup)
Would this create any problems, like confusing the auth app, or creating some other odd conflict?
Thank you for this informative and helpful video by the way!
I wouldn't think you'd run into any issues. It shouldn't confuse the auth app at all because it's designed to work with multiple keys. He even mentioned that a mix of the NFC and bio keys is an option.
The biggest issue would probably be trying to remember which account is on what key!
Awesome advice 👍🏾👍🏾
Thanks!
Already have the 5c which will be my back up and trying to decide between NFC or Bio. Think I will go with NFC for now based on your feedback.
Hi Josh,
I’m considering buying an YubiKey 5Ci, since I suppose, owning only two iPads Pro (one 2020 and one M1) and an iPhone 12. So I have no desktop or laptop.
I use 1Password for all my passwords and 2FA codes.
Considering this and that my use is mostly personal, and at €70 each key (buying 2), would you still recommend the investment. After looking at the services compatible, I would probably using the YubiKey withe no more than 5-6.
Thanks and keep up the nice videos.
Muchas por subir estos videos nos ayuda mucho. Saludos
Excellent video....well done
Thanks, Chuck!
Can you use the Bio to log in to Linux and MacOS with just the touch of the sensor? (like Apple TouchID)
Perhaps a silly question, but I assume you can have more than one backup Yubikey. My daily one, my backup at home, my backup at a family member's house, etc. Is that the case? In the same way, if I did break or lose my main key then I could just make a backup from my backup. Correct? Thanks for all your videos Josh!
Excellect video...Well presented!
Glad you liked it, Ivan!
Bravo man! you are a pro!
Thanks so much!
One for you and one for spouse but both are also saved for you and spouse. I would also suggest a third that is stored in a VERY safe place.
thanks! I just buy a backup Yubikey 5 yesterday, and I was scared you recommended the BIO one 😌
Ha! You're going to love the 5 series, Martin :)
can you describe the difference between the 2 keys from security point of view, which is better and which techonelgy each of them is using
Re Nano option. Is the depression of the unit a toggle switch or is the product somehow reading my print? If merely a toggle, what's to prevent non-me from gaining access? Txs.
Thank you !! With this video !!! This video helps !!!! 😎😎 !!!!
Glad to hear it.
My phone uses microUSB, so if I just a USB-C to microUSBB converter, would the Yubikey work with it?
Can I configure a LUKS volume to be opened if I provide both a passphrase and the BIO or 5 NFC?
Great video! Something I do not like of the Yubikeys is that someone can of course, steal them (or I can lose mine). I have two standard Yubikeys but I am thinking I will buy the Yubikey bio.
Would you know if the Yubikey Bio works with Binance? Cheers.
Do I need to set up YubiKey Manager to configure FIDO2, OTP, and PIV functionality? Thanks.
Hey Josh, I enjoy watching your videos-keep up the good work! Can you make a video on how to set up your Mac, iPhone, Android, Windows for privacy (like settings to use, apps to install, etc.)? Also, making a video on email forwarding service, such as AnonAddy or iCloud Mail relay, would be really helpful!
Furthermore, I would like your opinion on using apps vs web browsers. Do you sign in to apps on iOS or use the web browser? For example, using the RUclips app vs the browser or the Amazon app vs the browser or the Netflix app vs browser. I wonder if it's better to use the web browser because the company will have less access to data, but at the expense of user experience. Wouldn't companies be able to link the dots together easier if you use native apps? For instance, signing in to the RUclips app also signs the user into every other Google app. (Any thoughts on progressive web apps, LOL?)
Thanks so much for the suggestions, Harold! A few of the ideas you shared are already on my content calendar, but I'll add the ones that aren't there.
@@AllThingsSecured I just saw those! Good stuff. Did you read the second half of my comment?
Thanks!
Wow…thanks so much for the support, Fred! 🙌🙌
How do I use it on android?
I have the Yubikey 5 NFC.
Can I restrict number of apps I can use with Yubikey for enterprise?
I’m looking to upgrade my security with 2FA. Do you have a video on how to get started with the Yubikey and specifically, how to authenticate multiple Yubikeys with the same online account?
Hey John! Have you seen this video I produced last month? ruclips.net/video/fzUVrz0ixn8/видео.html
To setup multiple Yubikeys on the same account, you simply have to go through the same process in the video above again with the backup key. There is no "migration process" or way to duplicate keys other than setting them up separately, preferrably at the same time, on the same account.
Does that help?
Great video - very well explained. Where can I find out what applications work with the Yubikey 5NFC
I have a link to the website “what works with Yubikey” in the video description.
Such a useful video
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome as these are the two I selected for that exact reason. Now concerned that the BIO may not work for the sites I want to use it for. Hopefully, support is added in the future if that's the case.
Yea, I hope so too, Kevin.
I have a question. I want to go passwordless on outlook 365, personal account. How can I do this without the MS authenticator app? I just want to use my key ONLY to login, otherwise what's the point of the security? How do you accomplish this?
For me I see a potential HUGE down side : it'is/can more fragile an more prone to defect.
That's a deal breaker for me, beside that I have a bad experience with biometric sensor so I don't like it.
On the security side their is multiple way to use a MFA token, on yubikey you can use opengpg for everything and configure it to burn the subkeys if the wrong pin is enter 3 times. So loosing it isn't really an issues and I guess it's more secure them a biometric solution maybe.
If you lose a device, can you deactivate it remotely? Thinking from a business standpoint if an employee looses one especially if it's the NFC.
Yes, with every account I have, as long as I have an admin or backup key, I can go in and deactivate a lost or stolen key.
hi josh. i have a couple questions
1) if i leave the yubikey in my pc 24/7 , and i have lasspass, if my pc is stolen, won't they have access to all my logins? and if so what do you reccomend to prevent that?
2) another question, not related to yubikey per say, but i want to do estate planning for my kids when i pass on and was thinking if there is a device that i could put my kids finterprints like the yubikey bio so only they could access and on this device would be my will and bank info, btc wallet and info they need, where i can put all my notes/instructions to them on how to use and what to do where i know this can't get into the wrong hands. or it could be online method as well, but this is what i'm trying to accomplish that if i become 'inactive' i want them to access and only them this info, would love to hear your suggestions or maybe you made vid on this topic already
Hey Andrew, interesting questions. Here are my answers:
1) I don’t leave my 2FA key constantly plugged into my computer and I generally don’t recommend that for the very reason you stated: theft.
2) I generally don’t like to rely on technology for estate planning. I use it as a backup, to be sure, but I have a primary estate plan that is kept with my lawyer or printed and physically put in a safe. I just don’t trust that the technology won’t break or no longer be compatible 10 years down the road. I mean, imagine if you had kept all your estate stuff on a CD 10 years ago! I do t even know if I have a CD reader in my house anymore! 😜
If your PC with the key and LastPass gets stolen you immediately change your masterpassword and from there refresh all 2FA Codes (the OTPs) and disable the missing key from FIDO enabled accounts.
Hi Josh, a query I currently have the Yubikey Security Key (the blue one), with which I have registered all my services with authentication by Key. I want to buy a second device now to have a backup in case I lose one ...
I want to buy the Yubikey 5 NFC (The black one), and use it as the main one because I have the TOTP there and I currently use the authenticator microsoft, I would like to pass it all to the authenticator yubikey.
Now, if I have as a second option the blue one for backup, the TOTP will not be able to recover it in case of losing the black one, correct?
What do you recommend me?
Thank you very much for your videos.
If I understand your question, Juan, you want to have the 5 NFC as your primary key as well as Authenticator. The blue key is the backup (which doesn’t have an Authenticator). In that case, you can always keep Microsoft Authenticator as a backup to the 5 NFC. Does that sound right to you?
@@AllThingsSecured Yes, I was thinking about it, and so I don't have all my eggs in the same basket. haha thanks
i have 5nfc black and 5nfc key for android
i use them all the time for my facebook and twitter and gmail
Hi! Can you please answer me two questions?
Can you please tell me if 3 people can use the same Yubikey with their own accounts? Or each person need to have one different Yubikey?
And the other question is: We want to use the key mainly for Outlook, PC, Facebook... both on mobile phone and computer. You recommend the 5NFC instead of the Bio, right?
Thanks so much in advance
I think he mentioned the BIO does not support connectivity to mobiles so you would need the 5NFC. Appreciate you question was from 6 months ago so is probably redundant now 😀
I understand that I will need to get at least two security keys (to keep one as backup) but can I mix the two? Ie one NFC and one Bio? Or do both need to be the same?
they don’t need to be the same key, no.
Thank you.
My pleasure!
I've got the Yubikey 5NFC. Is there an adapter for use with a Samsung phone? Or, do I have to replace the keys?
Just use the NFC with your Samsung phone instead of the USB port
Why can't they make a bio with NFC? But the NFC activates only when the finger print has been activated?
Love my new Yubico 5 NFC
Great! It's still my favorite 2FA key as well.
What about the blue regular series ? Would be for coinbase. My phone does not support NFC so i was looking at the cheaper blue series. It is just as secure ? I think it would be. It supports what coinbase want's
Yes, the blue "Security Key" series is just as secure, but it lacks the ability to create one-time passcodes (OTP) to replace an authenticator app for those online accounts that don't accept 2FA keys. If all you need is something for Coinbase, though, you should be good with the Security Key.
Man why is it so hard to find video's on yubikeys? I just want to know if I'm getting the actual yubitkey. I bought my yubikey from Amazon for $35 vs if you buy it from pretty much anywhere else it's double what I paid.
Yubikey has some apps that are not supported and at present after multiple attempts Yubikey manager will not run on my win 10 laptop.
Leaving me with default options and zero backups of PUK or PIN.
For your back up Yubikey, you registered it as another key or you registered it as a spare key (same key information as the original one)?
The keys are unique, so there is no such distinction between “another key” and a “spare key”.
@@AllThingsSecured Ok, thanks.
hi, thank you very much...
My pleasure!
Thanks
Welcome
Which Yubikey is best for the current family of Apple devices ( IPad Pro w/USB-c, IPhone 12Max)
I recommend Yubikey 5C NFC.
Will the NFC version still be in use for a long time?
Heard that when the versions fall out of use one has to buy a new one(version)....
Yes, the NFC version will work for as long as you have the key. While improvements are being made with new keys, the underlying security encryption for these keys stays the same, so it's hard to have them "fall out of use".
@@AllThingsSecured Thanks for taking the time to answer.
I've been trying to get the answer, but I don't seem to find it anywhere. If your PC/Device gets hacked or if it's infected, is that aa problem for the 2fa? Will it get infected too?
No, a 2FA device cannot be infected.
@@AllThingsSecured Thanks for the answer sir
regarding setting up the backup key: how many backups can you have? For example, could I have a backup I keep at home, and a third key I keep off site?
It seems to depend on the service. Google, for example, has allowed me to have 5 different keys associated with my online account. There may be a limit, but I’m not sure what it is.
depending on the service you can have many keys. (Lastpass for example lets you add 5 but you have to pay for premium AND NOTE Bio doesn't work with Lastpass but 5 series does.
Thanks guys! Appreciate the info!
What can i do if i lost my security key?
I still do not understand whether it is possible to unlock Windows 11 using YubiKey Bio, the site says in the compatibility list that it is not, but at the same time on their RUclips channel they add the key in the Windows Control Panel.
I think it is, but I don’t use Windows, so I’m not for sure.
What is the stronger way authentification between totp like Google auth and yubikey ?
There is no "stronger" since it's the same algorithm and the same authentication. However, one is kept on your phone via a company like Google and another is kept on an offline key via a company like Yubico. So...it's really up to you to decide which you trust more.
Very helpful video - thank you. Do you know how this adds security to my smartphone on my google account? On the google account I cannot log out but only remove the account from the smartphone. So - if I'm always logged on, therefore 2FA authenticated - is not that even worse? Cause if the phone is stolen its stolen with the 2FA on.
I'm not sure I understand completely. Your phone should be locked and you can always log the phone out of your Google account remotely if it is stolen/lost.
@@AllThingsSecured Hi, sorry if I cannot express my concern in a more clear way. Yes the phone is locked but I'm confident the usual street thiefs can find a way to crack that. Regarding log out the Smartphone from the Google Account remotely via a PC log-on. I tried that. And - suprise...I'm still logged on on the smartphone. Google is like HIV. You can't get rid of it.
Well Done
What's the Best yubikey 5 NFC or yubikey NFC?
I heard they dont work on banking sites. Is that true?
Please explain to me how a "Security Expert" recommends NFC, a protocol with 0 security?
Thanks for this great video. I'm trying to understand why some services work with the 5 series but not the Bio. Is it just because they use TOTPs instead of FIDO2/U2F? My understanding of FIDO is that the biometric stuff is entirely local, and once that layer of authn is completed, the flow is the same as it would be with a Yubikey 5.
Correct. It’s not about the biometrics, it’s about which security protocols the key supports.
@@AllThingsSecured Thank you, appreciate you taking the time to respond.
i had the two step verification and yet a got hacked without my phone notifying me . is the yubikey more secure than the sms verification ?
Absolutely yes. Considerably more secure than SMS.
Curious if you find yourself still using the bio at all now in 2022? I have a pair of 5C NFC but can get 2 keys for free. Debating which to get. Might just get nanos for laptop use.
Yea, I rarely pull out the Bios now.
If fingerprint is stored on the device then why there's a generic windows prompt for scanning the fingerprint? Seems like it's Windows which does fingerprint check all the time.
No, it’s not Windows.
Hi Josh, I have a Yubikey so I am all for the 2FA method of security. However; how is this more secure than a simple 2FA sms message with a code to login? Thanks very much, JR (United Kingdom)
Check out this video on SIM swapping: ruclips.net/video/64p_WkYc9d0/видео.html
@@AllThingsSecured , Thanks Josh, that's amazing!
I have a short question: If I can circumvent the finger print with a pin, then this would be the same with the normal Yubikey 5 (because it has a pin too). Am I thinking wrong here?
Not entirely. The Yubikey 5 series simply requires you to plug in the key for it to work. There is no PIN. The difference is that the Bio requires some additional form of verification, be that your fingerprint or your PIN.
@@AllThingsSecured Of course there is a pin at the Yubikey 5 NFC ;)
What PIN are you referring to? I’ve never used a PIN with the 5 NFC…you just plug it in.
@@AllThingsSecured Ok, I think, I got you wrong. You don't need a pin to generate the OTP. But there is a pin, when you use the stick itself for authentication (e.g. at Google or Microsoft)
What about PIN cracker tools?
Would've loved some more focus on the different protocols here. As far as I know the bio doesn't support OTP for example.
It doesn’t. I thought I made that clear, so my apologies.
He indirectly expresses that at 6:19, but he doesn't explicitly state why those services are incompatible.
@@AllThingsSecured you should make this clear. Add it to the description.
Would sub c work if I get adapter to work on USB/computer
Yes, it will.
Does the key store your password, too? Do you have too have password manager too?
No, and that's why it's a "second" form of authentication. You have to know your password and then you confirm with the key.
What technology bio supports in contrast to nfc?
You can check here on the Yubikey website: www.yubico.com/works-with-yubikey/catalog/?sort=popular
I have a question, you have yubikey bio with type c then can you use that key on mobile devices?
I have a laptop with type c port, android device with type c port that's why i asked.
Yes, it will work, but Yubico has confirmed to me that it wasn't designed for mobile devices, so use with caution.
Thank you. Can you please elaborate why you said "so use with caution"?
Can also make a video about supporting website/services for yubikey bio vs yubikey 5 nfc ?
It simply means that it wasn’t designed for mobile, so it might not be equipped to handle certain loopholes only on mobile. As for supporting websites/apps, I think the Yubico website does a good enough job with that.
@@AllThingsSecured is there any interaction with firmware that is updated periodically as bug fixes or improvements, or is the device fixed and unchanging once it's purchased?
Is the caution required because it can change after the original installation and suddenly be rendered inoperative if they change the requirements, without the guaranteed support?
Hello!
The authentication process must be an anonymous cross-system process. For the guarantee of security must not collect any identity from individuals needs your security. Attackers can find ways to identify the target user. So it's very clear to me that a fingerprint option is not a viable option.
thanks for the video, can those keys be used to store pgp keys (for securing emails) as well as to login in linux systems (instead of passwords)?
For PGP keys, it depends on the series of Yubikey (see more here: support.yubico.com/hc/en-us/articles/360013790259-Using-Your-YubiKey-with-OpenPGP). For Linux, yes you can.
So the Bio won't work with Android?
Passless use is for the moment only Microsoft by my knowledge or are there others?
What do you mean?
@@AllThingsSecured i Mean that you have An option to not use password so you just put in the key and you even don't to have to Remember your mailadres and password you can just select the one you want to use and you login just by pushing a Button on the yubikey! Nu Google for example you still have to type you're mailadress and pass before you can use the Key
does this negate needing a password manager?
You should still use strong passwords. A password manager will help with this.
I agree with CyberMedics. This doesn't replace your first line of defense (i.e. a good password), it simply add another layer of protection for those accounts that are more sensitive than others.
I want one with a PIN.
How about OnlyKey?
What if someone has the fingerprint, from the cellophane tape a person used while wrapping a present?
Wow. Then you’re REALLY screwed.
@@AllThingsSecured If that is the case, someone could blow up a photo of a person's finger to obtain a fingerprint which would work?
Sounds like a product to keep honest people honest. Something like front door house locks installed 40 years ago.
I use my yubikey with a USB C adapter on my phone, works great
That's good to hear! I've spoken with Yubico and they tell me that it should work, but that's not what it was designed for.
Yubikey even says the bio version is for shared workstation scenarios, not for the normal individual. Just get the 5 NFC.
Like you can set up a security key for your iCloud account can you do the same with Samsung for your Samsung account I personally haven't seen an option in settings all I can see is backup codes authenticator app SMS text which I hate and that's pretty much it there's no option for security key I hope Samsung address this I hope Samsung add an option for for security keys like Google and apple and so on
Yubikey "blue" also have NFC, right? The blue one just have less protocols I guess
Yes, the blue Security Key has NFC capabilities.
If I buy key for iPhone? What happens if I don’t have key for my computer? Will I be able to access my email?
The same key you use for your phone, you can also use for your computer.
a good use case would be if you wanted leaved one at a semi secure location like your work computer
Can the pin be brute forced? How many characters?
I guess it could. But they would have to have physically stolen the key.
Why would this key be more secure than my authenticator app on my phone?