I was employed doing social work with kids for years, and I was always shocked by the things that people would suggest I contact CPS for. I would see parents who would let their kid walk alone to a neighborhood store, or allow their kid to hang out with other children unattended (to play), and suddenly teachers or police would act like that was abuse. Kids do better with some unsupervised time, it builds resilience and decision making skills 🤷🤷♂🤷
So so many years ago when in 1st grade my mom had me in daycare. Twice I chose to walk out the other door and walk myself home the 4 whole blocks. My mom gave up and I got a key. Took care of myself thereafter. This was the early 70s in Dallas. By age 9 or 10 I was taking the bus to the downtown library. Super fun and easy. Not sure I'd fear it even now. I quite imagine missing children happened back then, too. We are so fearful today...but in the neighborhood ought to be good.
When I was maybe 12, I decided to follow my mom’s boyfriend’s dogs around the canyon they lived in. We were gone for hours! They led me all over the place and even came back to find me when they had lost me. A life like that, man…every dog and human should experience that.
I think Kellogg's suing a fairly popular RUclipsr over the naming of their family's adorable pet pup would be a public relations NIGHTMARE. I think you can sleep soundly knowing they have no plans on coming after you Adam :)
@@patrickbroome5427that’s only to allow them to continue to hold the patent. They need to show that they are defending the copyright to continue to have it.
Adam is absolutely brilliant. He is just egging Kelloggs to come after Poptart and get free publicity, which he deserves as I love his podcast. Then he will just rename him to Puptart and send a thank you letter to Kelloggs. I bet he has already bought some Kelloggs share so that he can chime in at the next shareholders meeting and suggest the suit. Then sell the shares afterwards. Poptart is very cute too and the name is fitting. By coincidence I am wearing a red Kellogg's shirt today.
I hide my pup's food in little frozen blocks around my pool area. She loves to find them. Also she has a job: frisbee. She lives to play frisbee. I'm working on an outdoor enclosure rn too. I think every dog needs a job. I'm too scared to let her free roam, everyone is so touchy about dogs roaming the neighborhood around here. Someone poisoned my cat because he got out one too many times.
@@Abcd-jz4gp aw! That dog had a great owner 😁 Yeah, people can be cruel. It would be one thing if they brought up a grievance with me personally but they didn't until after the fact when they heavily hinted at being the cause, and Zodie was such a sweetheart I can't see why they would resort to that 😣
Hey Adam! A lot of other RUclipsrs who do this kind of format usually make a Reddit thread for questions around a week in advance of the livestream. That way, they can do a scan of the most upvoted or most interesting comments before or during the stream. I don't know how well that'd serve you here, as you seem to also want questions relevant to a topic you're bringing, and perhaps you don't want to gate questions behind another platform... but I think it's far preferable to gating it behind money.
Man, you're taking me back to my childhood. I grew up on a dirt road in northern Virginia with a creek and a big woods. The creek is still there, but now the road is paved, and the woods is a lot smaller due to a development being built. Our ages are almost identical by the way, I think we were born within 2 weeks or so of each other
Youve got to know how those "i dont care how dogs are treated" statments sound. Like I think thags a reasonable and honest way of speaking. But surely you realise how callously that's phrased. Personally i care about how dogs are treated only as far as that treatment has an affect on humans, and i think you agree. But surely hou could phrase that in a nicer way.
It comes as a surprise for a non-American like me since where I live there's 1 park every two blocks and my dog and I go out for 5 kilometers walks. She enjoys a lot the sniffing and once she's done, we move to the next park. It's kind of real how city planning has fucked the life of pets aswell over there...
I would guess that, say, 200 years ago livestock animals were probably not treated better per se-- like it was only in the ~1910's that Ada Howie was shocking people with the notion of treating her dairy cows gently and with less stress (and keeping them clean). This only really took off because it turned out that her happier cows produced something like 20% more milk than her competitors. But maybe it's true that "agricultural innovations" and massive farm consolidation has led to us to provide worse living conditions for livestock animals worse than they used to. Like even a cow that wasn't treated all that kindly in 1850 still got to go to pasture and eat grass in spring and summer, because there wasn't really another option available, or free ranging was a better use of the resources available compared to feed lots.
My budy had the cops called on him 5 times because he would leave his dog outside during the winter. On his fenced 3 acre plot. It was a husky and he did not leave her outside she did not want to go inside unless it colder then about negative 10.
My uncle and his family have a Husky and a alaskan malamut and yeah those dogs are never inside the house, cause they are meant to live outside, they are outdoor dogs. they have an old storage building where they can get shelter if they need to but its not like insulated or anything, cause they dont need it.
I really think the podcast on meat and the ethics behind its consumption should be one of your food science videos instead. I think some of the depth would be lost in a podcast, a dedicated video with several experts from different camps would do it more justice (and I think a well-polished video would perform great in the algorithm, everybody would share and comment on it). A following podcast could be dedicated to all the side notes and maybe involve a live Q&A again.
Idk, I think it's more behavioral than a need to scavenge. Even most pet lovers don't understand how to communicate with dogs properly. Often if the owners do communicate well, 'doggy style' then the dogs can often become a bit dangerous and overprotective of their human counterparts. Dogs pick up on every communication, especially the empathic, tone and by scent and pheromones. Maybe put the dog outside if there's a 'discussion' going on and don't forget to both make friends with the dog in an impartial way if people are yelling or sulking.
About the your childhood, I'm 23 year old living in Israel, and if I wasn't a little bit afraid of dogs growing up, but basically israeli cities are completely safe. but we don't have the Suburban Hell you in the US have not in the major cities and we have somewhat work public transportation so yes my Parents had childhood like yours and they was willing for me to have the same if I was willing to go out more. but we have the idea of a shabbat where we walk around because we don't drive. There is alot of interesting Jewish good that develop from the idea of not being able to cook on the shabbat, I think it a good idea of an episode if you will be able to find the right person
Walking through my neighborhood during the day, all I hear is dozens of 'screaming' dogs. It is so depressing, and criminal. People are buying dogs en masse and treating them like toys. They leave them home all day and barely train them, then their "exercise" is a 15-minute walk. As I type this my neighbor's new puppy has been wailing for 4-hours. Not to mention how expensive it all is. I have friends spending thousands upon thousands of dollars a year on vet bills (probably due to health conditions caused by their unhealthy lifestyle, just like suburban humans are dealing with). These animals are getting better medical access than billions of people. One friend has a Kickstarter for their 14-year old cat to get a $6,000 surgery...
I think we are giving Adam too much flak about the pet-humanist-ethics take. He values (1) humans OVER animals, not that he doesn’t value animals, (2) he believes pets serve more as a function TO humans rather than to themselves (which is true, we want pets more than pets want us), and (3) that human life should take priority in daily choices and weighing of consequences. You don’t have to agree with him, my gut reaction was skepticism as well. But I don’t think it is too unreasonable, just a differing perspective than most
He expressly stated he didn’t really care if his dog lived a good life and it was just a tool to teach his progeny empathy. His takes on free dogs too are way off. I worked in a shelter in the rural south and holy shit the traumatized, starving, sick and dying animals coming in daily, diseased from neglect or wandering the woods- he’s got a terrible case of the survivorship bias because of his friend at the junk yard. I’d imagine his idea of his feral childhood is somewhat fetishized as well. He is getting old and nostalgic, after all.
Hey Adam, As someone that lifts how do you hit your protein needs without eating more meat or animal products. The popular go-tos for vegan protein options are super inefficient caloriewise and dollarwise.
I do think you have overestimated the extent to which music (or any other skill) is "easy" to "talented" people. I think some people try to cultivate that image, and it might be somewhat easier to some, but I think a big part of that is that they were, for whatever reason, able to make that skill their entire life, with very few distractions. These people are often wealthier, and therefore able to spend less time stressing about work or whatever else when they could be immersing themselves in, say, music 24/7. They are often solely devoted to that skill and mostly have been for their entire lives. They often have connections with experienced peers who can help them find more efficient ways to practice. All of those things help, but effort is still very much required. More importantly, though, I think that attitude towards thinking about "doing music" or whatever it is is harmful. Those skills are inherently valuable and fulfilling whether you're "naturally gifted" at them or not. I want to see more people who aren't traditionally good at music making music, because I think that helps to advance what we think of as "good music" more generally. The making of it is a good in itself, but the art could also benefit from a partial rejection of the distinction between good and bad music, and of the competitiveness and elitism that comes with. That being said, yes, some people can pick up a violin and adequately sight-read a Bach partita. In those cases, I think we'd also benefit from acknowledging that their abities to do so did not come out of thin air.
In personal experience, it's not so much about talent as it is about passion and the aptitude towards certain types of skills. Talent certainly helps but it's not the biggest variable in the equation of obtaining skills. Aptitude helps more, at least initially, as it helps people traverse learning curves of certain skills easier than others, but even aptitude alone is not enough if one does not persevere in honing their skills and that's where passion comes in. Some people are so enamored in perfecting some skill that they find it significantly easier to stick with practice than others, so much so that we tend to consider those people extraordinary as, try as we might, we just cannot stick to a boring 8+ hours, days on end practice to improve the said skill. And that's what's needed to give the appearance of 'just picking a violin and sigh-reading Bach'. Every programming technique or language I tried to learn/master, I did so practically effortlessly-it certainly looked effortless to me. I did spend countless hours writing a same function in a slightly different way and testing which one works better, I did spend many a sleepless nights debug-tracing memory stacks to see how one thing affects the other, I can't even count the hours I spent helping out people on SO and other programming forums as it was exposing me to unique problems I otherwise wouldn't encounter... But from my perspective it was effortless as I never did set out to 'learn' programming, I just like it so much that I'd be doing it even if nobody paid me for it (in fact, nobody pays me for it anymore, but I still write code when I have the time). Not so much about music. Mind you, I love music, I immensely enjoy listening, interpreting and making it, but the later two are an uphill battle for me, at least today. I've been trying to 'relearn' the guitar for 6+ years now and I'm still not at the level I was when I was in high school and when I really wasn't even trying to 'master the guitar' and things were coming easy to me just like with programming. And I boiled it down to me actually lacking the real drive/passion for it nowadays-while I can spend hours on end tinkering with computer code and not even notice the time has passed, I get exhausted after 30 minutes of trying to practice a specific thing on a guitar and resort back to noodling...
On comparing pets and "free dogs": wouldn't it depend on the individual's personality anyway? Two humans put in the same situation could be happy or miserable; who's to say it can't apply to less intelligent animals? Dogs were genetically modified by humans massively too. Thousands of years of selective breeding made them genetically disposed to take certain likings. A terrier will have the time of its life hunting rats, while a retriever could have it just by playing fetch. Most breeds aren't even hunters & scavengers anymore, they're completely conditioned to rely on feeding time by the human. I don't think a Lab would be happier in a "more natural" environment. It's not a "natural" dog. They sure are happier if allowed to roam freely, but they still require an owner to make up for all the things that have been bred out of them. And to me at least, it's pretty obvious that dogs love their owners more than fellow dogs. The comfort and security is incomparable. Pets sleep belly-up. "Free dogs" can't afford that level of security.
I worked in a shelter for years in the south. Saw so many “free dogs” come in hungry, malnourished, sick, cold unable to interact with other dogs or people, pregnant with sick puppies etc. You can talk about “ideal” situations all day given the evolutionary history of dogs and humans but this idea that a dog struggling to find food and only knowing the trauma of fight and flight and constantly being danger is happier is just dumb. Would humans happier if we could just like wander around the woods all day raping, hunting, killing who they wanted, sleeping whenever? It’s what we evolved to do but in reality you’re struggling against the hostile environment and the situation shouldn’t be fetishized but modern people. It’s the fallacy that what we were “designed” for (HUGE weight to that word that really misconstrues the reality of evolution) is the ideal situation but that’s just not true. Fetishizing the wild past is what gets people making stupid decisions like “oh meat only is healthy cuz we were designed to eat this way” etc. Tbh when Adam said he didn’t really care if his pure bred dog was cared for was a big L and should only be used for teaching his kids about not to hurt people was a little sociopathic.
What makes you think intelligence or your notion of sentience are related to hierarchy? It feels like a rationalisation of power not indifferent to that of eugenics and borne from innate human trait; self preservation. I would like to think that due to our own intelligence we can look past our own biased feeling of importance and acknowledge all beings lead meaningful and equally important lives despite our inability to fully comprehend that.
Meaningful lives, sure, but equally important-no way. This has nothing to do with eugenics, try as they might no other animal on the planet has the capability of preserving all of life on the planet (and the Universe for all we know) as human does. That alone makes human lives far, far more important.
@@zwerko That whole paragraph is fraught with fallibility. I would disagree that humans have the capability of preserving all life on the planet and historically that has been proven, we are exclusively self interested. No other custodian of earth has been so immediately and objectively destructive to their very own environment and the environments of its other inhabitants. The fact that you would somehow confuse that with "the capability of preserving all of life" is precisely what I was describing above regarding how incredibly flawed the human psyche is. I hate to bring it back to eugenics or colonialism but it is not indifferent to committing genocide and saying it was in their best interest when really it was only ever in yours and you need a way to make yourself feel better about that.
@@alexrains1893 don’t worry- my bro here has been part of the brainwashing for centuries in respect to the great “chain of being” that keeps the humans at the top in power and not questioning themselves. Ethics are fluid and human lives aren’t inherently always worth more than those of animals, and the degree to which that is the case can vary from person to person.
@@alexrains1893 Having a capability doesn't necessarily mean acting on it. I'd agree that humans, overall, have been quite destructive towards their and the environment of other Earth's inhabitants. That being said, if there is a planet-killer asteroid heading our way, humans are the only species that can, at least in theory, do something about it. Same goes for other calamities. That alone makes humans more important than any other species on the planet. And let's not even getting into the capability of even having discussions like this, no other life form on the planet has even a notion of ethics and morality nor would ever care about such trivialities.
@@Ratstick58 If dogs weren't chewy and impractical to raise for food, I see nothing wrong with eating them, or rather-nothing more wrong in eating dogs than eating pigs, for example. Luckily, pigs are easier to raise and more delicious which is why we typically consider them more as food than as pets/human companions.
It's really frustrates me that you've tried to apply the secular humanist label to your beliefs about humans and other animals because what you are actually describing is human supremacy. Secular Humanism is about humans having the ability to develop morals and find fulfillment without the need for a god or other spiritual systems. The belief you've described is a supremacy narrative and has much more in common with white supremacy than it does secular humanism. It's a weird belief I've noticed alot of Gen Xers have.
@Mel Rose It's a very Christian Atheist take, if you're familiar with the term. The idea that rather than our perceived hirer sentience placing a moral duty on us to care for the world we inhabit and the less sentient inhabitants it instead conveys the right to lord over the less sentient inhabitants and use the planet and the spaces they need and their lives as resources for economic and social growth, is deeply rooted in Christian culture. It's one of the much more harmful beliefs that has made its way into our wider culture imo. I really hate seeing it repeated like it's something we should just accept as normal
@@aldenkahl8703 I actually haven't heard that term but I have seen the mentality. It feels colonialist and speciesist. Not to mention, where is the evidence for animals being less sentient? I get less intelligent (even though that's measured using human metrics and is also flawed), but how can we know if another being is less sentient? It's quite a bold take and seems to require more examination and justification.
@Mel Rose Yea it requires alot of assumptions that I don't think one can actually justify. It also leads to weird questions about mentally handicapped people and since he presumes to know other beings levels of sentience and appears to make those determinations based on how smart their actions seem to him, be a really hard sell for me to believe that he doesn't see the mentally handicapped people as less than nonhandicapped people.
Valuing human life doesn’t equal devaluing other life in a forced heirarchy. As a humanist I’m free to recognize that humans weren’t designed by god to hold dominion over animals. Once you do that, you can recognize there’s actually less difference between a human life and an animal life than what was initially thought.
@@Ratstick58 than what’s the point of distinction, why care about a human life being tortured when millions of animals have terrible lives in the meat industry, why not order the arrest of anyone who kills animals or supports the killing on animals. I feel like no matter how flawed or even evil humanism is, it is what our society is built and if we ignore it to become a vegan our society may crumble. I completely understand being vegan and I think it is a noble goal, but I don’t think the idea of veganism is safe for our society. But please let me know your thoughts on it.
I appreciate that I don't have to align to all of Adam's beliefs in order to appreciate his work, however, I cannot believe how such an educated, logical, and, seemingly open-minded and kind person as is Adam, can be so lacking of basic compassion and understanding for animals. There is no logic, or excuse to human supremacy, and it's such a shame that his kindness ends at the human race. Poptart deserves an owner who cares.
Death is indeed far from the worst thing than can happen to you. However, getting your foot cut by a sharp piece of rock while chasing a deer and suffering a slow and agonizing death as a consequence of the resulting infection is not that far from the worst thing that can happen to you. It's a double-edged sword.
hahah i just laughed so hard when i heard him call poptart : "HEY DOG, POPTART, Ding Dong, you donut" LOL like just throw everything until poptart responds XD
The biggest problem with the closed carbon cycle argument is that it assumes the carbon cycle would be the same without the cows, but that’s not true. Prior to humans the total biomass of all animals on earth was ~20 million metric tons. Today, the total biomass of just cows is over 100 million metric tons. Just looking at cows we have five times the bioactivity than there used to be, and the carbon to sustain all that biomass has to come from somewhere. And a large part of that somewhere is the soil, intensive agriculture to sustain domestic animal populations depletes soils which is bringing sequestered carbon back into the cycle. When you add in the biomass of humans and all the other domestic animals like chickens and pigs, that disparity just gets even bigger. The idea that there is a closed carbon cycle of which we are just a part of is a complete misunderstanding of the topic, it’s only a closed cycle if you are treating carbon in the ground as equivalent to carbon in living organisms or in the air, but the distinction between those is the entire point.
So: eat beans and lentils, a few eggs, and the odd bit of chicken for times of celebration. Perfectly fine, so long as the chicken & eggs are free-range and organic. (The veg. ditto… though I'm admittedly having trouble visualising a free-range carrot without ending in hilarity.)
Also, I do think there’s just a huge difference between rural vs urban dog ownership re: safety. I grew up rural and dogs weren’t as strictly controlled other than keeping them away from livestock (good way to get shot). But now living in a dense city I have a 50mph road less than 2 blocks from me, and crazy drivers that run stop signs, lights etc. Much riskier for a pup.
I've spent a good deal of time training my dog some safety stuff because yeah I too live next to a high speed road. I trained him that "stop" means to hit the brakes and do not move. I trained him that everytime he reaches a curb or a crosswalk: he is to sit and wait for me. I also trained him to not get too far from me when out walking. While I'm not quite confident he'll remember all this stuff if I'm not right there by him: I do feel better about small things like letting him out to potty in the front yard without a leash, and hopefully if he ever decides to "go on an adventure" he'll remember his training. Next I need to work on him waiting for crosswalks.
My mom grew up in the burbs, and my dad grew up in Queens, NY. Both report that everyone in the neighborhood knew each other and kept tabs on each others' kids. They said this was a large part of the "do whatever just be home for dinner" attitude; parents knew they're kids were being watched over by someone. I was born in '88, and that was not my experience at all. I didn't know anything about any of my neighbors, and we certainly didn't keep tabs on anyone else's kids. Now, we actually did have woods in our back yard--not a few trees but actual miles of woods. My brothers spent a lot of time there, but I pretty much always stayed inside (how was I ever gonna find my way back? I'd think). So I know my siblings actually did meet neighborhood kids up there. That's probably why they grew up to be sociable, and I have so much social anxiety as an adult.
Hmm yes. Humans too. I have a comfortable apartment and soft bed, but i spend the vast majority of my waking hours at a job i hate in order to ensure that "comfort". What a life....
Big L. And the “the wild, feral past is best” take for both dogs and humans seems largely ignorant of the trauma and struggle of contending with hunger and nature. I worked at a shelter. These free dogs might have RARELY run into a sweet deal of security and safety but the majority were hungry, sick and traumatized! Yay, according to Adam they are living their best life! Using the phrase “what we are DESIGNED for” sets off huge alarm bells for fetishization of the past and a misunderstanding of evolution that reminds me of all the paleo bull shit. We can use our knowledge of our biological history to make a better future, but nature is red in tooth in claw and Adam and most of us would be miserable, full of PTSD if not fucking dead. After him affirming “corporations are people” and an hour long chic fil a apology video and his comments on how being musician is worthless unless you’re an effortless genius I’m just kinda less enamored of him than I was before. I guess internet notoriety makes you just think you shit gold. I am a happy wedding musician and I do practice a lot and damn is it better than the other jobs I’ve worked.
@@Ratstick58 Yeah, he's on a hot streak of garbage takes lately. The chick-fil-a podcast was legitimately just an hour of someone deluding himself into thinking they're somehow in the right for being unable to give up so much as a chicken sandwich for the sake of solidarity with a historically persecuted minority. There's definitely some projection going on with the musician thing as well, guess that happens with failed artists. It's telling that he thinks the only legitimate success to be found in music is as an original and culturally notable recording artist, given how many other ways of doing music and audio for a living there are. Pretty disappointing all around.
@@gribblemeister he recently justified the jacked up price of that weight loss drug too, come to think of it. I wouldn’t let Mr. “I suspect animals are not that sentient so it doesn’t matter that much how they are treated” baby sit my dog, let alone my kids. Wealth and minor celebrity are a hell of a drug.
@@lonestarr1490 In that case I hope a critical cap in the voltage regulator of the CPU running the bot craps out and takes down the whole system. And the author to stab his or hers big toe on some furniture today.
Not here to be a contrarian or to flatter or anything, but you ARE good at speaking off the cuff haha. It's just a fact. You're better at it than 99% of people I've ever met and better than most entertainers (on RUclips at least.) Like I love Rhett and Link but watch a few GMM episodes or their podcast and you'll see they're not nearly as fluid off the cuff as you. Idk why I'm writing a comment in this format as if Adam will read it. Hahaha it felt weirder the more I wrote it. But yeah I just wanted to state that. I could never speak that clearly for 1.3 hours.
The feral kids part amused me, being a kid growing up in the semi-poor Swansea (UK) I was aloud to roam, but vary rarely did, but one day I went for a 'very' long walk with a friend. We were folowing his dad and brother, who were on a quad, along a canal I had walked along many times with my mum and dog. Eventually his dad came back and picked us up for a ride to the house (like 4 miles). When we got home my mum was there and my friends mum, who shouted at us for going to a dangerous location. When we got home, i was quite upset as my mum never shouted, she explained that she was actually cross with my friends dad who let us on a quad with no safety equipment and two other people. but had to shout at me to not have and argument with my friend parents.
I think you can make the exact same argument for humans. We are born for a life of scavenging and hunting. Perhaps scientists could measure mire stress hormones in modern humans than in humans living a hard life of scavening. I don't know. But ultimately the large majority of humans would choose to live the modern life.
Just sharing an anecdote: I was born in '96 and I had much of the same "feral" childhood experience in North central MD. Less backroads, as I lived in the suburbs right outside a city, but I roamed all day nonetheless. It even carried into my teenage years since I picked up skateboarding. Lots of fun spots to find around the city. I did have a cellphone by that point, though.
people really dont want to think of dogs as slaves even though we breed them to buy and sell and confine them and only let them eat what we allow. we really restrict their agency. we treat them as property, so the least you could do is treat your property the best you can. but many people do the bare minimum and think thats fine
That point about people not necessarily being experts just because they're good talkers is so important. So many youtube videos get massive views, very well put-together and the presenter seems at first glance to know everything about the subject. Then they say something which instantly gives the game away: they've just re-hashed a wikipedia page and actually have very little understanding of this topic or most of the other topics they discuss.
I don't think you're a poor speaker when you're unscripted. What's the killer is actively calling yourself out on it, it's that act that makes it awkward.
It is an odd day for me when I find Adam loses me completely on a train of thought, in this particular instance the humanist thinking and our wellbeing being more important than a dogs. Found myself oddly unsettled by his comments but I’m sure theyre rooted in a very logical frame of thought - Adam if you ever read this I think that topic/the meat-eating topic would be super interesting to hear you explore further!
I felt similarly. Human wellbeing is more important than a dog’s wellbeing because I am a human. However, it was unnecessary and rather gratuitous to insist that a dog’s wellbeing doesn’t matter much to him. Plus, I did not vibe with the suggestion that animals are just there for children to practice empathy on, as though learning to care for animals isn’t a worthy end goal in and of itself, but merely an immature protoexpression of kindness, whose real target should be humans. The whole train of thought also felt rather colonialist? Like, other living things are just there for us to exploit, because we’re so super special. Someone else can surely express this better than I can. Honestly, I don’t even think Adam fully agrees with what he said. I’m rather confused by those statements as the rest of the video seems to show that he very much does care about animal welfare.
@@zwerko it’s relative. I might care more about my dog than a human who has harmed others? What about an insurance scammer vs a dog that has saved someone’s life? The blanket statement of human always = more valuable than beast is just leftover vestiges of the chain of being from religion used to justify monarchies etc.
@@zwerko in theory yes, I believe all living beings are valuable. Of course in practice, we cant live that way completely - we are humans and thus naturally care more about our own kind than others. I wont pretend seeing roadkill evokes much empathy relative to humans. I just found his direct comment that he cares more for human well-being/that humans are special odd, I think broadly stating we are superior and should care for ourselves more than others a bit sad
Not so sure about this natural scavenger theory, my dog is not that much food motivated. I have those "smart" toys where you hide treats inside for him to find and he cant care less for that. Also, he likes to go out but he would rather hang out with me inside than go outside alone. Maybe its somewhat breed dependent, if you want a dog for companionship, then is likely a good idea to get a breed of a dog genetically engineered to be just that, not a hunting or a herding dog.
hi adam, would you ever consider doing a leafy greens tier list, whether its cooking ease or nutrition value? college kid here trying to get healthy on a budget 😅
Any leafy green is nutritionally similar. Kale is arguably the best but it's such a slight difference. It's more important to eat some as opposed to a specific one. I mostly use collard greens and cabbage bc they're dirt cheap.
Do whatever you like to make. Experiment and try different veggies until you find something. Food is far too personal for you to just pick something from a tier list and make that. Figure out what cooking capabilities you have (kitchen, stove, microwave, nothing) and then find recipes that you can make using whatever is available. If you want something easy and nutritious, just buy fresh fruit and eat them straight up without preparation.
@@Zenith-ly7pr I'm fond of squeezing lemon juice onto apple slices to give it something different to feel more like a prepared snack even though it's nearly zero effort.
Funny you mention Peter Zeihan. I like his videos as well for some reason. Great format, but I remind myself hes a pro fracking libertarian. I read his most recent book and his prose is just as pithy but insufferable as his presentations.
This pod has the most salient opinion differences between Adam and me so far. - I agree that death isn't the worst thing, but persistent comfort (e.g. being a house dog) sounds way better than extreme excitement and then extreme fear (e.g. being a wild dog foraging and finding food, then having to run for dear life from a predator). I might argue that persisted comfort is the goal for me. - I'm not a humanist. I definitely prefer animals more than people, because humans have the potential to do so many incredible things... and yet there are so many steps taken backwards for every step taken forwards. Animals don't have that potential and therefore I don't judge them by such standards, and so I think they meet the bar that I set for them, while humans constantly fail to reach them.
I was vegetarian from age 13 and for so many years after that I always found it bizzarre that people would happily eat cows and draw a line at eating horses. Or emu, corodile, guinea pigs, rats or any other kind of creature. These distinctions seem to be purely sentimental and nothing to do with the real theme of killing for food. Now I eat meat very occasonally - about 3 times a year - and I look at where it comes from and how the nimal has been kept. I do think, though, that to eat meat I should be prepared to do the killing & butcheing myself… so I ought to go back to 100% veg.
Hi Adam, I usually find your content very interesting and insightful. I just couldn't help but think that your views on animals as a 'humanist' in this episode made me think of you as somewhat of a psychopath. You are entitled to your opinion, but I feel like the belief that an animals only purpose/utility is to serve humanity is quite cruel. I hope this gives you cause to reflect as I feel like your stance on meat consumption is quite reasonable. However, I find your lack of empathy concerning.
Nope, sorry. I just can't condone any animal with the label 'pet' being allowed to wander unsupervised. You have zero control what they get into, if they get hurt you may literally never see them again. Even in a rural environment. . .100x more so in an urban one. There are plenty of ways to enrich an animal's life if people bothered to educate themselves and took the time to actually learn what they are getting into when getting a puppy or a kitten. Outdoor cats for example typically have a 3-5 year lifespan, they are smack in the middle of the food chain and will be attacked by anything larger then themselves, and they decimate wildlife populations. If you really have any animal that you feel has a high forage drive. . .there are ways to give that to your pet without them running off into the unknown and eating something diseased or potentially infected with rabies, or being hit by a car. . .or poisoned by the neighbor. Also, give your pets something to do! Interact with them!, devote some real time and learn what they enjoy! You can expect anyone, human or animal to be happy cooped up in a house all day with the only interact they get is a couple of pets, some food and being ignored. Most people don't even seem to understand that they're responsible for an animal, they just shove it outside to fend for itself and wonder why it runs off and never wants to be around for more than a pet, some food and a place to sleep.
I have heard, although not verified personally, that Gordon Ramsey is much more civilized in his English shows. I have ever watched any show of his, so I am not an expert.
I used to think I liked Adam's personality until this podcast. Sure, I still enjoyed the conversation, but seeing the way you spoke to and treated your dog was a little bit of a red flag. Left a bit of a weird taste in my mouth. Like somebody who treats waiters with no respect. The clear lack of sympathy, especially for somebody who grew up around animals, is a little bit off.
I don't know what you mean? If it's the chair part, it might be that this wasn't the first time and he doesn't want to reward this kind of behaviour? He talked to her respectfully but firmly which is the way you are supposed too. I bet you let your dog sleep in bed with you and talk to it in a way you would talk to a baby...which I heard is not too good for them either
While I honestly enjoy the way you think and talk about things enough to listen to whatever content you upload, and while I did enjoy this episode, I don't really enjoy the live format AS MUCH as the written stuff. Or at least the Q&A stuff. Not really sure how live format non-Q&A would work, but the Q&A has INFINITELY less depth it would seem. It almost feels like I got 1/3 of the normal podcast this episode and 2/3 something else. It was still you, it was still enjoyable, but the lack of depth made it was less interesting/entertaining.
"... Pet Ethicist... An ethicist that works on pets, she is not herself a pet..." Dude, Pet Ethicist is fine. :D When you hear "Nuclear Physicist" do you think of a physicist powered by a reactor? No! ... Though that would be really cool! ... Organic Chemist doesn't hold up...
I had the option of a first-generation Nintendo system, and before that I remember getting a Tandy that had games on tapes. Yes, I'm old, but I chose doing other things outside or around the house. I too was a feral kid....lots of outdoors and freedom.😊
Damn, Adam. I was right there with you until you got to the "dogs aren't all that smart, and I don't really care how well they are treated". (I know, it wasn't exactly that, but you can tell where it went off of the rails) I know that there are billions of people who aren't even a tenth as interested in canids as I have always been, but man. That was cold. Just so you know, I don't think that human beings are anything special. In fact, we will probably win the prize for the most destructive evolutionary dead end, and one of the latest species to fizzle right out, all due to our own greed and selfishness and lack of empathy. We think we are the epitome of sentience, when we really have no self awareness at all. Not where it really counts. Dogs are NOT here to serve us primarily, and neither is any other species. Of course, from a human perspective, I know most humans see it that way. Humans are but one more mammal on Earth. I ask you, what have we ever done that has not taken away from the rest of the Earth? What other animal destroys so much, simply for their own pleasure? We will also destroy ourselves. We are well along in that, actually, most people just can't admit it. Humans may well still be hunter/gatherers, if it weren't for dogs. And horses. Dogs evolved with us, we evolved with them. These two species have a special relationship and, in my mind, this makes dogs worthy of special considerations by humans. There was a time when humans were very dependent on dogs, and, perhaps, we still are. I can see it. I am aware that most humans cannot. But then, most humans do not think that hundreds of species a year fading into extinction has anything to do with them. Perhaps, even most people, cannot admit that the Earth's climate is changing at an unsustainable rate, a rate that evolution has no hope of keeping up with and, like children, adult humans all over the planet cannot even admit that WE are the cause of what we see happening with our own eyes, feeling with our own bodies. No, humans are not special, but I am certain that only humans, of all species that ever lived, have the audacity to believe that we are. Dogs, if you had any understanding of them, are perfectly happy to live in homes, especially if that is all they have ever known. Dogs are happy if they feel secure, are well fed, and have attention from others. I am sure they would prefer to have other canine companions, but it is astounding how much they understand humans and can be content with mostly human attention. Sure, like any kid, dogs would love to run out the door and do whatever they feel like doing each moment. I wish I could do that. But frankly? While death is far from the worst thing that can happen to a living creature, there are some things that can make being alive nothing but a hope for death, like being paralyzed. Or brain damaged. Or any one of the horrible things that injury or disease can inflict on the living. So, indeed, we must use some caution, some restraint, some educated guessing, or our dogs, or us, or our own children can end up worse than dead. It's not a matter of life and death to turn our dogs or kids out into the world unsupervised, it is a matter of the risk of being left with only your own mind to live within, counting the days. Wishing for death. I am of your parent's generation-a Boomer. Everyone's dog ran loose when I was a kid, in a small town, in a rural are. In the frozen northwest. Most of those dogs didn't live long. I saw so many dead dogs in my childhood that I came to believe that nothing good could last. Nothing kind was real. Nothing I cared about (dogs) was important to anyone but me, and what could I do? I did grow up and figure out there was a lot I could do, and I did it. I continue to. But, as long as human beings refuse to understand that we are not special, we are not more important, we are not the owners of every inch of the Earth, we will continue on our escalating course of self destruction. I often wonder what species in the future will wonder about what we did to this planet and ourselves, when we could have had it all. We'll never know, but I am sure that they certainly will be glad that we died out. What a horrible species we are. A flash in the pan of cosmic time. Maybe, we won't be wondered about at all, since our story is so straightforward. I find a dark humor in your thinking that submitting to having a dog in your home is for your kids. So they can learn empathy and responsibility. While adult humans of all kinds, in all time, in all civilizations, have raped what they wanted from the Earth, like feral children, sure that there will always be more. Sure that their share will not sink the boat. That their wants and needs were never too much to ask. Tell me, how do we teach our children to be empathetic, selfless, generous, helpful, and kind? Don't we all believe we are teaching them these things? So, how did our species turn out to be so awful? Hypocrites. Liars. Unable to even admit our worst mistakes, if we would lose a penny to do so? Because it is what our species is. We are terrible. We want others to be kind, so we can take advantage of them, but they get the "reward" of knowing they "did the right thing" even as the rest of humanity gobbles them up. Yes, there are Jimmy Carters and Jane Goodalls in the world. But far too few. There will never be enough. It requires far more courage to be Greta Thunberg than most humans can imagine having. Look at how ridiculous we are! We cannot even recognize fascism bearing down on us. Because we can never admit we are wrong. Or not special. Or smarter and better than any other species on Earth. We are pathetic.
The only time my dog (shown in my pfp) ever got out and away from us, she broke her toe. We’re pretty much certain she’d be hit by a car (considering her habit of chasing them). But I do feel bad she doesn’t get to live her best wild and free life.
This feels oddly close to the "Dogs are Wolves" Debate and not to say Adam is one of these people but usually the people with this ideology are incomprehensively ignorant. Now I'm not saying the Dr in this instance is that because I haven't looked at their work but, generally it is good to steer clear of this debate, because it's nonsense. Although I will say, dog's are definitely happier when unbound, however this isn't plausible for countless reasons. I also disagree that feral dogs are happier than dog's that receive human love and care. All dog's want is a purpose, once they have that purpose they will generally become happy. For instance, a guard dog at a farm to protect chickens or a Border collie rounding sheep will have the most fulfilling purpose and therefore be very happy. Or for instance, a guard dog protecting a house from intruder's will make them extremely happy/proud for days weeks, possibly years because they fulfilled their intended purpose.
I feel the same about Peter Zeihan. He shows great confidence when talking about a range of topics, but not sure everything is kosher. I also have the same feelings towards Vlad Vexler. He is a self-proclamed philosopher and sometimes harshly criticizes other philosophers, yet, I can't find any written publications from him... Still interesting to watch, but I take it all with a grain of salt.
The dog part really resonates with me - this is WHY you need to know your dog and fulfill their drives! Whether it be a prey drive, whatever, you need to understand your dog and their roots (as in their breed specific things). You want a happy dog? You are their pack leader, you communicate in a way that they understand, you learn about dog behaviours, how they think, how they communicate, how trust and relationships are built. There is no easy way for a happy house dog (no house dog can be 100% fully indoors, you NEED to do your duty), it's work and consistency. The difference in their happiness levels when you actually work for them, do everything daily, try to explain this hard-to-understand world in DOG terms (which is a consistent vocal cue, they don't understand language, only sounds, or more importantly, it's physical touch, which needs to be done on the scale of leash skills and overall understanding operative conditioning) is INSANE. I do think a lot of this data (but not all points presented) is skewed by bad owners and bad trainers who recommend bad advice. And thus these dogs can never be happy, because all they feel is confusion due to a lack of clear communication and a lack of understanding for a world that we, as humans, have landscaped.
It's a lack of education. Most people get a puppy to 'grow up with their kids' or a dog to be 'mans best friend' and they have no clue what they're getting to (same thing, if not WORSE with cats). There are so many ways to enrich a pet's life. . .and frankly, they're going to live longer. People insist on letting cats roam outdoors in a fashion most parts of the country would never allow a dog. . .and every single year kitten 'season' happens and hundreds are put down because no bothers to spay/neutor. . .many of those kitterns are going to die on the streets. . .not to mention the ridiculous stress on the natural environment cats have been proven to have due to the fact they WILL hunt when they are bored, not just because they are hungry.
Our dogs looveee to “scavenge” for their meals. We hide it throughout the house, or scatter in the grass, or put it in a toy they need to beat up and shake around to knock food out of. Always entertaining and they’re pretty content afterward for a nap.
I worked in a shelter having to put down all these “free dogs” who were sick as fuck and not cureable. Often they were traumatized to the point where they had to be put down because they would try to kill every one that came close. Those are the free dogs he’s ignorantly taking about cuz he saw one situation that was fine in Georgia. He should work in a shelter a bit before he just makes random assertions.
I don't think the free roaming childhood is dead. My little sisters (whom grew up between 2003 and now) were also latchkey kids. I (born in 87), grew up in a somewhat dense city (Arizona): up until i was 9 years old we had places where we could get in trouble. I have an early memory of taking my BMX bike on some dirt trails for the first time and faceplanting into some jumping cholla (the cactus that gets it's name from the fact that the bunches of thorns come off the plant so easily they practically "jump" on you: you just brush against it and it will grab you with 1000 tiny hairs of pointy barbed needles) off a dirt jump. That was when i was 7 years old. We then moved to a more rural area when my mom remarried and bought a house. It was "the suburbs" but it was being built out as a new development far away from town. Throughout my childhood there was nothing but vast desert or houses for a while before there were grocery stores and schools and churches and all sorts of other shops that are there now. One of the earliest establishments there was a market corner store / place to get gas. We would walk there (3 miles of desert road to walk) from my house as kids after school to get 10¢ jolly ranchers and 15¢ fireballs (they sold them individually wrapped). We got into all sorts of "trouble" as kids. I however wouldn't want that childhood for any kids now. I personally ended up pretty messed up psychologically. Was it my childhood to blame? Maybe. Maybe not. But i do know, had my parents kept a better awareness of my fomingw and goings....some bad and scarring experiences wouldn't of happened. So if i ever have kids (probably not but who knows) I'm not letting something like that happen to them: I'd be much more attentive to thwir every day experiences.
In terms of environmental impact of meat and cattle industries, one important points which you overlooked os the fact that as demand for meat (especially beef and pork) is one of the major drivers behind the destruction of the rainforest in Central and South America, as more and more rainforest is being slashed and burned to make space for animal grazing.
BTW Beef industry. Fossil fuels are used to fertilize the feed. Wild-ranched beef that only uses what nature provides, with no fertilizers, may be better as far as AGW?
Death is actually the worst thing to happen to you if you're choosing it as the only misfortune you'll ever have to experience. Death means that everything you've ever wanted to achieve will never happen. It means an eternity of chances to improve your wellbeing down the drain. Moving up the death you're already heading towards by a year or two isn't the worst thing that can happen. But I'd subject myself to a whole lot of suffering if it meant I got to be immortal afterward.
One thing to consider from a humanist perspective about maximally efficient yet cruel factory farming is the deleterious effects on human welfare. Slaughterhouse workers have incredibly high instances if PTSD as well as high suicide rates overall.
Regarding letting the dog lead the walk. I do not agree. I think dogs are happier when they are guided into the behaviors we want to see. For instance, when I am walking my dogs, we are on Patrol. The dogs know I have a purpose. They are happier when they know they are fulfilling my purpose. They want to be helpful, because they are domesticated,
I'm fairly sure my dog has a good life. She's had chances to run away and chose to stay nearby, so in a revealed preference sense I'm apparently better than what she thinks she could get on the street. Plus I do lots of things to make her happy (e.g., she gets to herd sheep) so it makes sense that she'd want to stay nearby.
My concern with the carbon being converted into methane rather than carbon dioxide may mean that that carbon is less likely to continue along in the carbon cycle as I believe methanotrophs are likely rarer than plants. Also as pointed out, methane is a far more efficient greenhouse gas, so while in the atmosphere it will be trapping more heat. I would also be concerned about the amount of old growth forests being cut down in places like the Amazon for use as cattle pasture. While carbon sequestered not as long ago as in fossil fuels, it is still likely to contribute to atmospheric levels, particularly with the tendency towards slash and burn clearing, rather than the trees being made into lumber.
A cat knock something off the table because it is either curious about physics or unhappy about that one time you forgot to feed it on time in the night of nov 2017 and you didn't apologize. I have no evidence of this being factual or not 🤣
you make some points i love and some that seem utterly alien here the point i disagree with and can reason against most efficiently is that a soft life does *not* make you more sympathetic and a hard life does not make you *less* sympathetic the most loving, caring people i know have lived terrible lives and look at how disconnected and uncaring some rich kids are. "rich kid" is a stereotype for a reason also i think you're heartless towards animals bordering on serious supremacy "can't speak english" is not not sentient but that's harder to talk about
Fifty years ago, one of my friends had a friend who had grown up in a poor area of the rural South in the '50s, in a time and place when people didn't commonly spay their dogs. His grandmother had a female Labrador retriever, and she didn't want to have to be repeatedly disposing of litters of puppies like some did, so she came up with an alternative solution. Thinking about the rings they put in pigs' noses, she got one of those rings and installed it on the dog----guess where? It worked! Whatever her hormonal state, that dog would NOT tolerate a male's advances. This guy told me how one of the vivid memories he had of his childhood was of walking down a hot, dusty dirt road with this big black dog walking along in front of him, with the sun glinting off of that little gold ring in her nether region.
I will give this a like because it's an interesting read from an anthropological point of view, but as a dog person, living with dogs my whole life, both wild and tame, male and female, I think that kind of genital mutilation is a bit too cruel for me. I was partially raised by "wild farmdogs" Especially a lady named emma, and the thought of her being sexually discomforted to the point where male advances turned her agro feels like a bad plan (No shade on your grandma, but that is a clever if non-ethical soulution in my book)
As far as I know the white bar is where people click, not what they view. You can see what people actually view in your channel analytics in viewer retention.
I was employed doing social work with kids for years, and I was always shocked by the things that people would suggest I contact CPS for. I would see parents who would let their kid walk alone to a neighborhood store, or allow their kid to hang out with other children unattended (to play), and suddenly teachers or police would act like that was abuse. Kids do better with some unsupervised time, it builds resilience and decision making skills 🤷🤷♂🤷
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So so many years ago when in 1st grade my mom had me in daycare. Twice I chose to walk out the other door and walk myself home the 4 whole blocks. My mom gave up and I got a key. Took care of myself thereafter.
This was the early 70s in Dallas. By age 9 or 10 I was taking the bus to the downtown library. Super fun and easy.
Not sure I'd fear it even now. I quite imagine missing children happened back then, too. We are so fearful today...but in the neighborhood ought to be good.
@@ScotHarkins WALKING in Dallas!?!? I thought that city was only inhabited by cars
When I was maybe 12, I decided to follow my mom’s boyfriend’s dogs around the canyon they lived in. We were gone for hours! They led me all over the place and even came back to find me when they had lost me. A life like that, man…every dog and human should experience that.
Adam has been touched by the unstoppable rise of urban planning content
Without sounding annoying so it feels great. I'm hopeful for the future tbh
@@pluhformybruh i want walk school
Good sense is coming online everywhere.
"i realized, then i couldn't stop realizing"
A collab with Not just bikes would be nice.
I think Kellogg's suing a fairly popular RUclipsr over the naming of their family's adorable pet pup would be a public relations NIGHTMARE. I think you can sleep soundly knowing they have no plans on coming after you Adam :)
I dunno, mate, never underestimate corporate idiocy.
I point you to N*ntendo and their treatment of their fanbase.
I'm only half-joking with that censor.
@@SuqMadiq Or the whole Monster suing games with the word monster in them
@@patrickbroome5427that’s only to allow them to continue to hold the patent. They need to show that they are defending the copyright to continue to have it.
Adam is absolutely brilliant. He is just egging Kelloggs to come after Poptart and get free publicity, which he deserves as I love his podcast. Then he will just rename him to Puptart and send a thank you letter to Kelloggs. I bet he has already bought some Kelloggs share so that he can chime in at the next shareholders meeting and suggest the suit. Then sell the shares afterwards. Poptart is very cute too and the name is fitting. By coincidence I am wearing a red Kellogg's shirt today.
I hide my pup's food in little frozen blocks around my pool area. She loves to find them. Also she has a job: frisbee. She lives to play frisbee. I'm working on an outdoor enclosure rn too. I think every dog needs a job. I'm too scared to let her free roam, everyone is so touchy about dogs roaming the neighborhood around here. Someone poisoned my cat because he got out one too many times.
@@Abcd-jz4gp aw! That dog had a great owner 😁 Yeah, people can be cruel. It would be one thing if they brought up a grievance with me personally but they didn't until after the fact when they heavily hinted at being the cause, and Zodie was such a sweetheart I can't see why they would resort to that 😣
Hey Adam! A lot of other RUclipsrs who do this kind of format usually make a Reddit thread for questions around a week in advance of the livestream. That way, they can do a scan of the most upvoted or most interesting comments before or during the stream. I don't know how well that'd serve you here, as you seem to also want questions relevant to a topic you're bringing, and perhaps you don't want to gate questions behind another platform... but I think it's far preferable to gating it behind money.
There’s also a poll setting on Reddit so people will see a random selection. It means that questions submitted later still have a fighting chance
F reddit.
Man, you're taking me back to my childhood. I grew up on a dirt road in northern Virginia with a creek and a big woods. The creek is still there, but now the road is paved, and the woods is a lot smaller due to a development being built. Our ages are almost identical by the way, I think we were born within 2 weeks or so of each other
Youve got to know how those "i dont care how dogs are treated" statments sound.
Like I think thags a reasonable and honest way of speaking. But surely you realise how callously that's phrased.
Personally i care about how dogs are treated only as far as that treatment has an affect on humans, and i think you agree. But surely hou could phrase that in a nicer way.
It comes as a surprise for a non-American like me since where I live there's 1 park every two blocks and my dog and I go out for 5 kilometers walks. She enjoys a lot the sniffing and once she's done, we move to the next park. It's kind of real how city planning has fucked the life of pets aswell over there...
I would guess that, say, 200 years ago livestock animals were probably not treated better per se-- like it was only in the ~1910's that Ada Howie was shocking people with the notion of treating her dairy cows gently and with less stress (and keeping them clean). This only really took off because it turned out that her happier cows produced something like 20% more milk than her competitors.
But maybe it's true that "agricultural innovations" and massive farm consolidation has led to us to provide worse living conditions for livestock animals worse than they used to. Like even a cow that wasn't treated all that kindly in 1850 still got to go to pasture and eat grass in spring and summer, because there wasn't really another option available, or free ranging was a better use of the resources available compared to feed lots.
Loved the Herzog impersonation
0% ego
0% attitude
100% hardwork
100% honest.
Love you Adam Ragusea ❤️❤️❤️❤️.
Love Adam but he definitely has an ego lol
Pup Tart would've been more clever.
Labradors - life support system for a stomach
My budy had the cops called on him 5 times because he would leave his dog outside during the winter. On his fenced 3 acre plot. It was a husky and he did not leave her outside she did not want to go inside unless it colder then about negative 10.
My uncle and his family have a Husky and a alaskan malamut and yeah those dogs are never inside the house, cause they are meant to live outside, they are outdoor dogs. they have an old storage building where they can get shelter if they need to but its not like insulated or anything, cause they dont need it.
I really think the podcast on meat and the ethics behind its consumption should be one of your food science videos instead. I think some of the depth would be lost in a podcast, a dedicated video with several experts from different camps would do it more justice (and I think a well-polished video would perform great in the algorithm, everybody would share and comment on it). A following podcast could be dedicated to all the side notes and maybe involve a live Q&A again.
I thought you were talking about the bad way to cook dogs💀💀💀💀💀💀
Adam: We're here with Poptart.
Me: POOOOOOOOOOOOOOPTART?!
Idk, I think it's more behavioral than a need to scavenge. Even most pet lovers don't understand how to communicate with dogs properly. Often if the owners do communicate well, 'doggy style' then the dogs can often become a bit dangerous and overprotective of their human counterparts. Dogs pick up on every communication, especially the empathic, tone and by scent and pheromones. Maybe put the dog outside if there's a 'discussion' going on and don't forget to both make friends with the dog in an impartial way if people are yelling or sulking.
About the your childhood, I'm 23 year old living in Israel, and if I wasn't a little bit afraid of dogs growing up, but basically israeli cities are completely safe.
but we don't have the Suburban Hell you in the US have not in the major cities and we have somewhat work public transportation so yes my Parents had childhood like yours and they was willing for me to have the same if I was willing to go out more.
but we have the idea of a shabbat where we walk around because we don't drive.
There is alot of interesting Jewish good that develop from the idea of not being able to cook on the shabbat, I think it a good idea of an episode if you will be able to find the right person
Old Adam Ragusea is back ❤️♥️❤️.
This is the real Humor we want ❤️❤️❤️❤️.
Walking through my neighborhood during the day, all I hear is dozens of 'screaming' dogs. It is so depressing, and criminal. People are buying dogs en masse and treating them like toys. They leave them home all day and barely train them, then their "exercise" is a 15-minute walk. As I type this my neighbor's new puppy has been wailing for 4-hours.
Not to mention how expensive it all is. I have friends spending thousands upon thousands of dollars a year on vet bills (probably due to health conditions caused by their unhealthy lifestyle, just like suburban humans are dealing with). These animals are getting better medical access than billions of people. One friend has a Kickstarter for their 14-year old cat to get a $6,000 surgery...
Shorts are too tight man....
I think we are giving Adam too much flak about the pet-humanist-ethics take. He values (1) humans OVER animals, not that he doesn’t value animals, (2) he believes pets serve more as a function TO humans rather than to themselves (which is true, we want pets more than pets want us), and (3) that human life should take priority in daily choices and weighing of consequences. You don’t have to agree with him, my gut reaction was skepticism as well. But I don’t think it is too unreasonable, just a differing perspective than most
He expressly stated he didn’t really care if his dog lived a good life and it was just a tool to teach his progeny empathy.
His takes on free dogs too are way off. I worked in a shelter in the rural south and holy shit the traumatized, starving, sick and dying animals coming in daily, diseased from neglect or wandering the woods- he’s got a terrible case of the survivorship bias because of his friend at the junk yard.
I’d imagine his idea of his feral childhood is somewhat fetishized as well. He is getting old and nostalgic, after all.
Hey Adam,
As someone that lifts how do you hit your protein needs without eating more meat or animal products. The popular go-tos for vegan protein options are super inefficient caloriewise and dollarwise.
I love that Adam's dog is named after a pastry, but when he calls her names, he just names other pastries.
Donut
@@Abcd-jz4gp lol
I do think you have overestimated the extent to which music (or any other skill) is "easy" to "talented" people. I think some people try to cultivate that image, and it might be somewhat easier to some, but I think a big part of that is that they were, for whatever reason, able to make that skill their entire life, with very few distractions.
These people are often wealthier, and therefore able to spend less time stressing about work or whatever else when they could be immersing themselves in, say, music 24/7. They are often solely devoted to that skill and mostly have been for their entire lives. They often have connections with experienced peers who can help them find more efficient ways to practice. All of those things help, but effort is still very much required.
More importantly, though, I think that attitude towards thinking about "doing music" or whatever it is is harmful. Those skills are inherently valuable and fulfilling whether you're "naturally gifted" at them or not. I want to see more people who aren't traditionally good at music making music, because I think that helps to advance what we think of as "good music" more generally. The making of it is a good in itself, but the art could also benefit from a partial rejection of the distinction between good and bad music, and of the competitiveness and elitism that comes with.
That being said, yes, some people can pick up a violin and adequately sight-read a Bach partita. In those cases, I think we'd also benefit from acknowledging that their abities to do so did not come out of thin air.
In personal experience, it's not so much about talent as it is about passion and the aptitude towards certain types of skills. Talent certainly helps but it's not the biggest variable in the equation of obtaining skills. Aptitude helps more, at least initially, as it helps people traverse learning curves of certain skills easier than others, but even aptitude alone is not enough if one does not persevere in honing their skills and that's where passion comes in.
Some people are so enamored in perfecting some skill that they find it significantly easier to stick with practice than others, so much so that we tend to consider those people extraordinary as, try as we might, we just cannot stick to a boring 8+ hours, days on end practice to improve the said skill. And that's what's needed to give the appearance of 'just picking a violin and sigh-reading Bach'.
Every programming technique or language I tried to learn/master, I did so practically effortlessly-it certainly looked effortless to me. I did spend countless hours writing a same function in a slightly different way and testing which one works better, I did spend many a sleepless nights debug-tracing memory stacks to see how one thing affects the other, I can't even count the hours I spent helping out people on SO and other programming forums as it was exposing me to unique problems I otherwise wouldn't encounter... But from my perspective it was effortless as I never did set out to 'learn' programming, I just like it so much that I'd be doing it even if nobody paid me for it (in fact, nobody pays me for it anymore, but I still write code when I have the time).
Not so much about music. Mind you, I love music, I immensely enjoy listening, interpreting and making it, but the later two are an uphill battle for me, at least today. I've been trying to 'relearn' the guitar for 6+ years now and I'm still not at the level I was when I was in high school and when I really wasn't even trying to 'master the guitar' and things were coming easy to me just like with programming. And I boiled it down to me actually lacking the real drive/passion for it nowadays-while I can spend hours on end tinkering with computer code and not even notice the time has passed, I get exhausted after 30 minutes of trying to practice a specific thing on a guitar and resort back to noodling...
I can rattle off burned out prodigies who had all the talent in the world and ended up being surpassed by decent musicians who worked harder.
You sounded a lot like “Not Just Bikes” channel when criticizing the absolute madness of suburbia and I loved that!
On comparing pets and "free dogs": wouldn't it depend on the individual's personality anyway? Two humans put in the same situation could be happy or miserable; who's to say it can't apply to less intelligent animals?
Dogs were genetically modified by humans massively too. Thousands of years of selective breeding made them genetically disposed to take certain likings. A terrier will have the time of its life hunting rats, while a retriever could have it just by playing fetch. Most breeds aren't even hunters & scavengers anymore, they're completely conditioned to rely on feeding time by the human. I don't think a Lab would be happier in a "more natural" environment. It's not a "natural" dog. They sure are happier if allowed to roam freely, but they still require an owner to make up for all the things that have been bred out of them.
And to me at least, it's pretty obvious that dogs love their owners more than fellow dogs. The comfort and security is incomparable. Pets sleep belly-up. "Free dogs" can't afford that level of security.
I worked in a shelter for years in the south. Saw so many “free dogs” come in hungry, malnourished, sick, cold unable to interact with other dogs or people, pregnant with sick puppies etc.
You can talk about “ideal” situations all day given the evolutionary history of dogs and humans but this idea that a dog struggling to find food and only knowing the trauma of fight and flight and constantly being danger is happier is just dumb.
Would humans happier if we could just like wander around the woods all day raping, hunting, killing who they wanted, sleeping whenever? It’s what we evolved to do but in reality you’re struggling against the hostile environment and the situation shouldn’t be fetishized but modern people. It’s the fallacy that what we were “designed” for (HUGE weight to that word that really misconstrues the reality of evolution) is the ideal situation but that’s just not true.
Fetishizing the wild past is what gets people making stupid decisions like “oh meat only is healthy cuz we were designed to eat this way” etc.
Tbh when Adam said he didn’t really care if his pure bred dog was cared for was a big L and should only be used for teaching his kids about not to hurt people was a little sociopathic.
What makes you think intelligence or your notion of sentience are related to hierarchy? It feels like a rationalisation of power not indifferent to that of eugenics and borne from innate human trait; self preservation. I would like to think that due to our own intelligence we can look past our own biased feeling of importance and acknowledge all beings lead meaningful and equally important lives despite our inability to fully comprehend that.
Meaningful lives, sure, but equally important-no way. This has nothing to do with eugenics, try as they might no other animal on the planet has the capability of preserving all of life on the planet (and the Universe for all we know) as human does. That alone makes human lives far, far more important.
@@zwerko That whole paragraph is fraught with fallibility. I would disagree that humans have the capability of preserving all life on the planet and historically that has been proven, we are exclusively self interested. No other custodian of earth has been so immediately and objectively destructive to their very own environment and the environments of its other inhabitants. The fact that you would somehow confuse that with "the capability of preserving all of life" is precisely what I was describing above regarding how incredibly flawed the human psyche is. I hate to bring it back to eugenics or colonialism but it is not indifferent to committing genocide and saying it was in their best interest when really it was only ever in yours and you need a way to make yourself feel better about that.
@@alexrains1893 don’t worry- my bro here has been part of the brainwashing for centuries in respect to the great “chain of being” that keeps the humans at the top in power and not questioning themselves.
Ethics are fluid and human lives aren’t inherently always worth more than those of animals, and the degree to which that is the case can vary from person to person.
@@alexrains1893 Having a capability doesn't necessarily mean acting on it. I'd agree that humans, overall, have been quite destructive towards their and the environment of other Earth's inhabitants. That being said, if there is a planet-killer asteroid heading our way, humans are the only species that can, at least in theory, do something about it. Same goes for other calamities. That alone makes humans more important than any other species on the planet. And let's not even getting into the capability of even having discussions like this, no other life form on the planet has even a notion of ethics and morality nor would ever care about such trivialities.
eat dog was the first thing in my mind while reading the title
Same lol
if you eat dead animals, why NOT dog?
Honestly with his attitude he’s not far off.
@@Ratstick58 If dogs weren't chewy and impractical to raise for food, I see nothing wrong with eating them, or rather-nothing more wrong in eating dogs than eating pigs, for example. Luckily, pigs are easier to raise and more delicious which is why we typically consider them more as food than as pets/human companions.
It's really frustrates me that you've tried to apply the secular humanist label to your beliefs about humans and other animals because what you are actually describing is human supremacy. Secular Humanism is about humans having the ability to develop morals and find fulfillment without the need for a god or other spiritual systems. The belief you've described is a supremacy narrative and has much more in common with white supremacy than it does secular humanism.
It's a weird belief I've noticed alot of Gen Xers have.
This really bothered me too, thanks for voicing it
@Mel Rose It's a very Christian Atheist take, if you're familiar with the term.
The idea that rather than our perceived hirer sentience placing a moral duty on us to care for the world we inhabit and the less sentient inhabitants it instead conveys the right to lord over the less sentient inhabitants and use the planet and the spaces they need and their lives as resources for economic and social growth, is deeply rooted in Christian culture.
It's one of the much more harmful beliefs that has made its way into our wider culture imo. I really hate seeing it repeated like it's something we should just accept as normal
@@aldenkahl8703 I actually haven't heard that term but I have seen the mentality. It feels colonialist and speciesist. Not to mention, where is the evidence for animals being less sentient? I get less intelligent (even though that's measured using human metrics and is also flawed), but how can we know if another being is less sentient? It's quite a bold take and seems to require more examination and justification.
Nailed it.
@Mel Rose Yea it requires alot of assumptions that I don't think one can actually justify. It also leads to weird questions about mentally handicapped people and since he presumes to know other beings levels of sentience and appears to make those determinations based on how smart their actions seem to him, be a really hard sell for me to believe that he doesn't see the mentally handicapped people as less than nonhandicapped people.
That's a pretty bizarre way to describe and apply secular humanism when it comes to pets, my dude
Valuing human life doesn’t equal devaluing other life in a forced heirarchy.
As a humanist I’m free to recognize that humans weren’t designed by god to hold dominion over animals. Once you do that, you can recognize there’s actually less difference between a human life and an animal life than what was initially thought.
@@Ratstick58 than what’s the point of distinction, why care about a human life being tortured when millions of animals have terrible lives in the meat industry, why not order the arrest of anyone who kills animals or supports the killing on animals. I feel like no matter how flawed or even evil humanism is, it is what our society is built and if we ignore it to become a vegan our society may crumble. I completely understand being vegan and I think it is a noble goal, but I don’t think the idea of veganism is safe for our society. But please let me know your thoughts on it.
I appreciate that I don't have to align to all of Adam's beliefs in order to appreciate his work, however, I cannot believe how such an educated, logical, and, seemingly open-minded and kind person as is Adam, can be so lacking of basic compassion and understanding for animals. There is no logic, or excuse to human supremacy, and it's such a shame that his kindness ends at the human race. Poptart deserves an owner who cares.
Death is indeed far from the worst thing than can happen to you. However, getting your foot cut by a sharp piece of rock while chasing a deer and suffering a slow and agonizing death as a consequence of the resulting infection is not that far from the worst thing that can happen to you. It's a double-edged sword.
Yeah he was way off base here.
hahah i just laughed so hard when i heard him call poptart : "HEY DOG, POPTART, Ding Dong, you donut" LOL like just throw everything until poptart responds XD
The biggest problem with the closed carbon cycle argument is that it assumes the carbon cycle would be the same without the cows, but that’s not true. Prior to humans the total biomass of all animals on earth was ~20 million metric tons. Today, the total biomass of just cows is over 100 million metric tons. Just looking at cows we have five times the bioactivity than there used to be, and the carbon to sustain all that biomass has to come from somewhere. And a large part of that somewhere is the soil, intensive agriculture to sustain domestic animal populations depletes soils which is bringing sequestered carbon back into the cycle. When you add in the biomass of humans and all the other domestic animals like chickens and pigs, that disparity just gets even bigger. The idea that there is a closed carbon cycle of which we are just a part of is a complete misunderstanding of the topic, it’s only a closed cycle if you are treating carbon in the ground as equivalent to carbon in living organisms or in the air, but the distinction between those is the entire point.
So: eat beans and lentils, a few eggs, and the odd bit of chicken for times of celebration. Perfectly fine, so long as the chicken & eggs are free-range and organic. (The veg. ditto… though I'm admittedly having trouble visualising a free-range carrot without ending in hilarity.)
Also, I do think there’s just a huge difference between rural vs urban dog ownership re: safety. I grew up rural and dogs weren’t as strictly controlled other than keeping them away from livestock (good way to get shot). But now living in a dense city I have a 50mph road less than 2 blocks from me, and crazy drivers that run stop signs, lights etc. Much riskier for a pup.
I've spent a good deal of time training my dog some safety stuff because yeah I too live next to a high speed road.
I trained him that "stop" means to hit the brakes and do not move.
I trained him that everytime he reaches a curb or a crosswalk: he is to sit and wait for me. I also trained him to not get too far from me when out walking. While I'm not quite confident he'll remember all this stuff if I'm not right there by him: I do feel better about small things like letting him out to potty in the front yard without a leash, and hopefully if he ever decides to "go on an adventure" he'll remember his training. Next I need to work on him waiting for crosswalks.
My mom grew up in the burbs, and my dad grew up in Queens, NY. Both report that everyone in the neighborhood knew each other and kept tabs on each others' kids. They said this was a large part of the "do whatever just be home for dinner" attitude; parents knew they're kids were being watched over by someone. I was born in '88, and that was not my experience at all. I didn't know anything about any of my neighbors, and we certainly didn't keep tabs on anyone else's kids.
Now, we actually did have woods in our back yard--not a few trees but actual miles of woods. My brothers spent a lot of time there, but I pretty much always stayed inside (how was I ever gonna find my way back? I'd think). So I know my siblings actually did meet neighborhood kids up there. That's probably why they grew up to be sociable, and I have so much social anxiety as an adult.
Hmm yes. Humans too. I have a comfortable apartment and soft bed, but i spend the vast majority of my waking hours at a job i hate in order to ensure that "comfort". What a life....
It doesn’t have to be this way forever
Ok go be homeless or just hike the at for a year to remember why you’re in this situation. We’ll wait to hear back from you.
Not sure "I got a dog but I don't really care about it one way or another" is the take I was expecting
Yeah the way he talks about/treats his dog is a wee bit sociopathic lmao
Big L. And the “the wild, feral past is best” take for both dogs and humans seems largely ignorant of the trauma and struggle of contending with hunger and nature.
I worked at a shelter. These free dogs might have RARELY run into a sweet deal of security and safety but the majority were hungry, sick and traumatized! Yay, according to Adam they are living their best life!
Using the phrase “what we are DESIGNED for” sets off huge alarm bells for fetishization of the past and a misunderstanding of evolution that reminds me of all the paleo bull shit. We can use our knowledge of our biological history to make a better future, but nature is red in tooth in claw and Adam and most of us would be miserable, full of PTSD if not fucking dead.
After him affirming “corporations are people” and an hour long chic fil a apology video and his comments on how being musician is worthless unless you’re an effortless genius I’m just kinda less enamored of him than I was before. I guess internet notoriety makes you just think you shit gold.
I am a happy wedding musician and I do practice a lot and damn is it better than the other jobs I’ve worked.
@@Ratstick58 Yeah, he's on a hot streak of garbage takes lately. The chick-fil-a podcast was legitimately just an hour of someone deluding himself into thinking they're somehow in the right for being unable to give up so much as a chicken sandwich for the sake of solidarity with a historically persecuted minority. There's definitely some projection going on with the musician thing as well, guess that happens with failed artists. It's telling that he thinks the only legitimate success to be found in music is as an original and culturally notable recording artist, given how many other ways of doing music and audio for a living there are. Pretty disappointing all around.
@@gribblemeister he recently justified the jacked up price of that weight loss drug too, come to think of it.
I wouldn’t let Mr. “I suspect animals are not that sentient so it doesn’t matter that much how they are treated” baby sit my dog, let alone my kids. Wealth and minor celebrity are a hell of a drug.
@@Ratstick58 he didn't justify the price hike he condoned rich celebrities from using it when it is for diabetics
when a discarded mcdonald's bag is a jack pot you know that dog does not stay up at night with anxiety about its future
@ᴜꜱᴇʀɴᴀᴍᴇ:[TheAdamRagusea I hope you hit your big toe on some furniture today.
@@jelkluz112 Sorry to tell you, but bots have no toes. Nor furniture.
@@lonestarr1490 The bastard who operates them does though.
Ok, become homeless and be happy then, right?
@@lonestarr1490 In that case I hope a critical cap in the voltage regulator of the CPU running the bot craps out and takes down the whole system. And the author to stab his or hers big toe on some furniture today.
I’ve absolutely no doubt in my mind that Poptart the Dog has had a couple of sneaky Ragusea recipe samples.
Not here to be a contrarian or to flatter or anything, but you ARE good at speaking off the cuff haha. It's just a fact. You're better at it than 99% of people I've ever met and better than most entertainers (on RUclips at least.) Like I love Rhett and Link but watch a few GMM episodes or their podcast and you'll see they're not nearly as fluid off the cuff as you. Idk why I'm writing a comment in this format as if Adam will read it. Hahaha it felt weirder the more I wrote it. But yeah I just wanted to state that. I could never speak that clearly for 1.3 hours.
The feral kids part amused me, being a kid growing up in the semi-poor Swansea (UK) I was aloud to roam, but vary rarely did, but one day I went for a 'very' long walk with a friend. We were folowing his dad and brother, who were on a quad, along a canal I had walked along many times with my mum and dog. Eventually his dad came back and picked us up for a ride to the house (like 4 miles).
When we got home my mum was there and my friends mum, who shouted at us for going to a dangerous location. When we got home, i was quite upset as my mum never shouted, she explained that she was actually cross with my friends dad who let us on a quad with no safety equipment and two other people. but had to shout at me to not have and argument with my friend parents.
I'm so glad my parents never knew half of what I got up to as a kid. It was a fine and liberal education for how to be a human being - and how not to.
Is a quad a four-wheeler?
@@nikilragav no it's actually an 8 wheeler they just call it a quad to fool people
@@nikilragav yeah those motor bikes with 4 wheels.
I think you can make the exact same argument for humans. We are born for a life of scavenging and hunting. Perhaps scientists could measure mire stress hormones in modern humans than in humans living a hard life of scavening. I don't know. But ultimately the large majority of humans would choose to live the modern life.
Bro makes amazing content weekly and thinks we wouldnt notice 💀💀
Just sharing an anecdote: I was born in '96 and I had much of the same "feral" childhood experience in North central MD.
Less backroads, as I lived in the suburbs right outside a city, but I roamed all day nonetheless.
It even carried into my teenage years since I picked up skateboarding. Lots of fun spots to find around the city. I did have a cellphone by that point, though.
Well that's just your opinion man...
people really dont want to think of dogs as slaves even though we breed them to buy and sell and confine them and only let them eat what we allow. we really restrict their agency. we treat them as property, so the least you could do is treat your property the best you can. but many people do the bare minimum and think thats fine
That point about people not necessarily being experts just because they're good talkers is so important. So many youtube videos get massive views, very well put-together and the presenter seems at first glance to know everything about the subject. Then they say something which instantly gives the game away: they've just re-hashed a wikipedia page and actually have very little understanding of this topic or most of the other topics they discuss.
I don't think you're a poor speaker when you're unscripted. What's the killer is actively calling yourself out on it, it's that act that makes it awkward.
It is an odd day for me when I find Adam loses me completely on a train of thought, in this particular instance the humanist thinking and our wellbeing being more important than a dogs. Found myself oddly unsettled by his comments but I’m sure theyre rooted in a very logical frame of thought - Adam if you ever read this I think that topic/the meat-eating topic would be super interesting to hear you explore further!
You disagree that a human well-being is more important than dog's well-being? Care to elaborate?
I felt similarly. Human wellbeing is more important than a dog’s wellbeing because I am a human. However, it was unnecessary and rather gratuitous to insist that a dog’s wellbeing doesn’t matter much to him. Plus, I did not vibe with the suggestion that animals are just there for children to practice empathy on, as though learning to care for animals isn’t a worthy end goal in and of itself, but merely an immature protoexpression of kindness, whose real target should be humans. The whole train of thought also felt rather colonialist? Like, other living things are just there for us to exploit, because we’re so super special. Someone else can surely express this better than I can.
Honestly, I don’t even think Adam fully agrees with what he said. I’m rather confused by those statements as the rest of the video seems to show that he very much does care about animal welfare.
I was disappointed by this as well. I found it kind of disgusting actually.
@@zwerko it’s relative. I might care more about my dog than a human who has harmed others? What about an insurance scammer vs a dog that has saved someone’s life? The blanket statement of human always = more valuable than beast is just leftover vestiges of the chain of being from religion used to justify monarchies etc.
@@zwerko in theory yes, I believe all living beings are valuable. Of course in practice, we cant live that way completely - we are humans and thus naturally care more about our own kind than others. I wont pretend seeing roadkill evokes much empathy relative to humans. I just found his direct comment that he cares more for human well-being/that humans are special odd, I think broadly stating we are superior and should care for ourselves more than others a bit sad
Not so sure about this natural scavenger theory, my dog is not that much food motivated. I have those "smart" toys where you hide treats inside for him to find and he cant care less for that. Also, he likes to go out but he would rather hang out with me inside than go outside alone. Maybe its somewhat breed dependent, if you want a dog for companionship, then is likely a good idea to get a breed of a dog genetically engineered to be just that, not a hunting or a herding dog.
Came for the dog, stayed for the Poptart.
hi adam, would you ever consider doing a leafy greens tier list, whether its cooking ease or nutrition value? college kid here trying to get healthy on a budget 😅
Any leafy green is nutritionally similar. Kale is arguably the best but it's such a slight difference. It's more important to eat some as opposed to a specific one. I mostly use collard greens and cabbage bc they're dirt cheap.
I'd say base your diet around dried beans/lentils. So filling, so nutritious, costs pennies. If you want animal protein, go with eggs.
Do whatever you like to make. Experiment and try different veggies until you find something. Food is far too personal for you to just pick something from a tier list and make that.
Figure out what cooking capabilities you have (kitchen, stove, microwave, nothing) and then find recipes that you can make using whatever is available. If you want something easy and nutritious, just buy fresh fruit and eat them straight up without preparation.
@@Zenith-ly7pr I'm fond of squeezing lemon juice onto apple slices to give it something different to feel more like a prepared snack even though it's nearly zero effort.
If you're looking for nutrition tier lists, I would suggest Talon Fitness!
Funny you mention Peter Zeihan. I like his videos as well for some reason. Great format, but I remind myself hes a pro fracking libertarian. I read his most recent book and his prose is just as pithy but insufferable as his presentations.
VSauce would def be a podcast draw! 😮 At least for me.... someone who already watches every video
This pod has the most salient opinion differences between Adam and me so far.
- I agree that death isn't the worst thing, but persistent comfort (e.g. being a house dog) sounds way better than extreme excitement and then extreme fear (e.g. being a wild dog foraging and finding food, then having to run for dear life from a predator). I might argue that persisted comfort is the goal for me.
- I'm not a humanist. I definitely prefer animals more than people, because humans have the potential to do so many incredible things... and yet there are so many steps taken backwards for every step taken forwards. Animals don't have that potential and therefore I don't judge them by such standards, and so I think they meet the bar that I set for them, while humans constantly fail to reach them.
I was vegetarian from age 13 and for so many years after that I always found it bizzarre that people would happily eat cows and draw a line at eating horses. Or emu, corodile, guinea pigs, rats or any other kind of creature. These distinctions seem to be purely sentimental and nothing to do with the real theme of killing for food. Now I eat meat very occasonally - about 3 times a year - and I look at where it comes from and how the nimal has been kept. I do think, though, that to eat meat I should be prepared to do the killing & butcheing myself… so I ought to go back to 100% veg.
I use to have a deep freezer full of venison from deer my mother killed with a longbow and butchered herself I miss those days
i think specifically with rodents a lot of people disapprove eating them based on seeing them a vector for spreading various illness and disease
Hi Adam, I usually find your content very interesting and insightful. I just couldn't help but think that your views on animals as a 'humanist' in this episode made me think of you as somewhat of a psychopath. You are entitled to your opinion, but I feel like the belief that an animals only purpose/utility is to serve humanity is quite cruel. I hope this gives you cause to reflect as I feel like your stance on meat consumption is quite reasonable. However, I find your lack of empathy concerning.
Nope, sorry. I just can't condone any animal with the label 'pet' being allowed to wander unsupervised. You have zero control what they get into, if they get hurt you may literally never see them again. Even in a rural environment. . .100x more so in an urban one. There are plenty of ways to enrich an animal's life if people bothered to educate themselves and took the time to actually learn what they are getting into when getting a puppy or a kitten.
Outdoor cats for example typically have a 3-5 year lifespan, they are smack in the middle of the food chain and will be attacked by anything larger then themselves, and they decimate wildlife populations.
If you really have any animal that you feel has a high forage drive. . .there are ways to give that to your pet without them running off into the unknown and eating something diseased or potentially infected with rabies, or being hit by a car. . .or poisoned by the neighbor. Also, give your pets something to do! Interact with them!, devote some real time and learn what they enjoy! You can expect anyone, human or animal to be happy cooped up in a house all day with the only interact they get is a couple of pets, some food and being ignored.
Most people don't even seem to understand that they're responsible for an animal, they just shove it outside to fend for itself and wonder why it runs off and never wants to be around for more than a pet, some food and a place to sleep.
I have heard, although not verified personally, that Gordon Ramsey is much more civilized in his English shows. I have ever watched any show of his, so I am not an expert.
Rly appreciate the urban planning segment
I used to think I liked Adam's personality until this podcast. Sure, I still enjoyed the conversation, but seeing the way you spoke to and treated your dog was a little bit of a red flag. Left a bit of a weird taste in my mouth. Like somebody who treats waiters with no respect. The clear lack of sympathy, especially for somebody who grew up around animals, is a little bit off.
I don't know what you mean? If it's the chair part, it might be that this wasn't the first time and he doesn't want to reward this kind of behaviour? He talked to her respectfully but firmly which is the way you are supposed too. I bet you let your dog sleep in bed with you and talk to it in a way you would talk to a baby...which I heard is not too good for them either
Your sense of how castle doctrine works very heavily influenced by fear mongering
While I honestly enjoy the way you think and talk about things enough to listen to whatever content you upload, and while I did enjoy this episode, I don't really enjoy the live format AS MUCH as the written stuff. Or at least the Q&A stuff. Not really sure how live format non-Q&A would work, but the Q&A has INFINITELY less depth it would seem. It almost feels like I got 1/3 of the normal podcast this episode and 2/3 something else. It was still you, it was still enjoyable, but the lack of depth made it was less interesting/entertaining.
"... Pet Ethicist... An ethicist that works on pets, she is not herself a pet..."
Dude, Pet Ethicist is fine. :D When you hear "Nuclear Physicist" do you think of a physicist powered by a reactor? No!
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Though that would be really cool!
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Organic Chemist doesn't hold up...
As a kid, I had the choice of this feral childhood. But computers and the internet were just about to get mainstream, so that didn't last long.
oh, poor you!
I had the option of a first-generation Nintendo system, and before that I remember getting a Tandy that had games on tapes. Yes, I'm old, but I chose doing other things outside or around the house.
I too was a feral kid....lots of outdoors and freedom.😊
He’s getting old and fetishizing his childhood. Always happens as you get that far up there. I’m his age and don’t have such a rosy view.
Damn, Adam. I was right there with you until you got to the "dogs aren't all that smart, and I don't really care how well they are treated". (I know, it wasn't exactly that, but you can tell where it went off of the rails)
I know that there are billions of people who aren't even a tenth as interested in canids as I have always been, but man. That was cold. Just so you know, I don't think that human beings are anything special. In fact, we will probably win the prize for the most destructive evolutionary dead end, and one of the latest species to fizzle right out, all due to our own greed and selfishness and lack of empathy. We think we are the epitome of sentience, when we really have no self awareness at all. Not where it really counts.
Dogs are NOT here to serve us primarily, and neither is any other species. Of course, from a human perspective, I know most humans see it that way. Humans are but one more mammal on Earth. I ask you, what have we ever done that has not taken away from the rest of the Earth? What other animal destroys so much, simply for their own pleasure? We will also destroy ourselves. We are well along in that, actually, most people just can't admit it.
Humans may well still be hunter/gatherers, if it weren't for dogs. And horses. Dogs evolved with us, we evolved with them. These two species have a special relationship and, in my mind, this makes dogs worthy of special considerations by humans. There was a time when humans were very dependent on dogs, and, perhaps, we still are. I can see it. I am aware that most humans cannot.
But then, most humans do not think that hundreds of species a year fading into extinction has anything to do with them. Perhaps, even most people, cannot admit that the Earth's climate is changing at an unsustainable rate, a rate that evolution has no hope of keeping up with and, like children, adult humans all over the planet cannot even admit that WE are the cause of what we see happening with our own eyes, feeling with our own bodies. No, humans are not special, but I am certain that only humans, of all species that ever lived, have the audacity to believe that we are.
Dogs, if you had any understanding of them, are perfectly happy to live in homes, especially if that is all they have ever known. Dogs are happy if they feel secure, are well fed, and have attention from others. I am sure they would prefer to have other canine companions, but it is astounding how much they understand humans and can be content with mostly human attention. Sure, like any kid, dogs would love to run out the door and do whatever they feel like doing each moment. I wish I could do that. But frankly? While death is far from the worst thing that can happen to a living creature, there are some things that can make being alive nothing but a hope for death, like being paralyzed. Or brain damaged. Or any one of the horrible things that injury or disease can inflict on the living. So, indeed, we must use some caution, some restraint, some educated guessing, or our dogs, or us, or our own children can end up worse than dead. It's not a matter of life and death to turn our dogs or kids out into the world unsupervised, it is a matter of the risk of being left with only your own mind to live within, counting the days. Wishing for death.
I am of your parent's generation-a Boomer. Everyone's dog ran loose when I was a kid, in a small town, in a rural are. In the frozen northwest. Most of those dogs didn't live long. I saw so many dead dogs in my childhood that I came to believe that nothing good could last. Nothing kind was real. Nothing I cared about (dogs) was important to anyone but me, and what could I do?
I did grow up and figure out there was a lot I could do, and I did it. I continue to.
But, as long as human beings refuse to understand that we are not special, we are not more important, we are not the owners of every inch of the Earth, we will continue on our escalating course of self destruction. I often wonder what species in the future will wonder about what we did to this planet and ourselves, when we could have had it all. We'll never know, but I am sure that they certainly will be glad that we died out. What a horrible species we are. A flash in the pan of cosmic time. Maybe, we won't be wondered about at all, since our story is so straightforward.
I find a dark humor in your thinking that submitting to having a dog in your home is for your kids. So they can learn empathy and responsibility. While adult humans of all kinds, in all time, in all civilizations, have raped what they wanted from the Earth, like feral children, sure that there will always be more. Sure that their share will not sink the boat. That their wants and needs were never too much to ask. Tell me, how do we teach our children to be empathetic, selfless, generous, helpful, and kind? Don't we all believe we are teaching them these things? So, how did our species turn out to be so awful? Hypocrites. Liars. Unable to even admit our worst mistakes, if we would lose a penny to do so?
Because it is what our species is. We are terrible. We want others to be kind, so we can take advantage of them, but they get the "reward" of knowing they "did the right thing" even as the rest of humanity gobbles them up.
Yes, there are Jimmy Carters and Jane Goodalls in the world. But far too few. There will never be enough. It requires far more courage to be Greta Thunberg than most humans can imagine having.
Look at how ridiculous we are! We cannot even recognize fascism bearing down on us. Because we can never admit we are wrong. Or not special. Or smarter and better than any other species on Earth. We are pathetic.
Preach friend. He cokes off like a sociopath. Lots of people good at doing the famous media thing are so 🤷♂️
@ᴜꜱᴇʀɴᴀᴍᴇ:[TheAdamRagusea Hi, sorry. Just an old woman. Don't know what that means...
28:46 why are you attacking me?
Poptart!
The only time my dog (shown in my pfp) ever got out and away from us, she broke her toe. We’re pretty much certain she’d be hit by a car (considering her habit of chasing them). But I do feel bad she doesn’t get to live her best wild and free life.
God dammit, that dog is so fucking cute.
This feels oddly close to the "Dogs are Wolves" Debate and not to say Adam is one of these people but usually the people with this ideology are incomprehensively ignorant. Now I'm not saying the Dr in this instance is that because I haven't looked at their work but, generally it is good to steer clear of this debate, because it's nonsense.
Although I will say, dog's are definitely happier when unbound, however this isn't plausible for countless reasons. I also disagree that feral dogs are happier than dog's that receive human love and care. All dog's want is a purpose, once they have that purpose they will generally become happy. For instance, a guard dog at a farm to protect chickens or a Border collie rounding sheep will have the most fulfilling purpose and therefore be very happy. Or for instance, a guard dog protecting a house from intruder's will make them extremely happy/proud for days weeks, possibly years because they fulfilled their intended purpose.
I feel the same about Peter Zeihan. He shows great confidence when talking about a range of topics, but not sure everything is kosher. I also have the same feelings towards Vlad Vexler. He is a self-proclamed philosopher and sometimes harshly criticizes other philosophers, yet, I can't find any written publications from him... Still interesting to watch, but I take it all with a grain of salt.
The dog part really resonates with me - this is WHY you need to know your dog and fulfill their drives! Whether it be a prey drive, whatever, you need to understand your dog and their roots (as in their breed specific things). You want a happy dog? You are their pack leader, you communicate in a way that they understand, you learn about dog behaviours, how they think, how they communicate, how trust and relationships are built.
There is no easy way for a happy house dog (no house dog can be 100% fully indoors, you NEED to do your duty), it's work and consistency. The difference in their happiness levels when you actually work for them, do everything daily, try to explain this hard-to-understand world in DOG terms (which is a consistent vocal cue, they don't understand language, only sounds, or more importantly, it's physical touch, which needs to be done on the scale of leash skills and overall understanding operative conditioning) is INSANE.
I do think a lot of this data (but not all points presented) is skewed by bad owners and bad trainers who recommend bad advice. And thus these dogs can never be happy, because all they feel is confusion due to a lack of clear communication and a lack of understanding for a world that we, as humans, have landscaped.
It's a lack of education. Most people get a puppy to 'grow up with their kids' or a dog to be 'mans best friend' and they have no clue what they're getting to (same thing, if not WORSE with cats). There are so many ways to enrich a pet's life. . .and frankly, they're going to live longer.
People insist on letting cats roam outdoors in a fashion most parts of the country would never allow a dog. . .and every single year kitten 'season' happens and hundreds are put down because no bothers to spay/neutor. . .many of those kitterns are going to die on the streets. . .not to mention the ridiculous stress on the natural environment cats have been proven to have due to the fact they WILL hunt when they are bored, not just because they are hungry.
Our dogs looveee to “scavenge” for their meals. We hide it throughout the house, or scatter in the grass, or put it in a toy they need to beat up and shake around to knock food out of. Always entertaining and they’re pretty content afterward for a nap.
« You know that pet you own? Yeah, well that makes you a bad person. »
I worked in a shelter having to put down all these “free dogs” who were sick as fuck and not cureable. Often they were traumatized to the point where they had to be put down because they would try to kill every one that came close.
Those are the free dogs he’s ignorantly taking about cuz he saw one situation that was fine in Georgia. He should work in a shelter a bit before he just makes random assertions.
I don't think the free roaming childhood is dead. My little sisters (whom grew up between 2003 and now) were also latchkey kids.
I (born in 87), grew up in a somewhat dense city (Arizona): up until i was 9 years old we had places where we could get in trouble. I have an early memory of taking my BMX bike on some dirt trails for the first time and faceplanting into some jumping cholla (the cactus that gets it's name from the fact that the bunches of thorns come off the plant so easily they practically "jump" on you: you just brush against it and it will grab you with 1000 tiny hairs of pointy barbed needles) off a dirt jump. That was when i was 7 years old.
We then moved to a more rural area when my mom remarried and bought a house. It was "the suburbs" but it was being built out as a new development far away from town. Throughout my childhood there was nothing but vast desert or houses for a while before there were grocery stores and schools and churches and all sorts of other shops that are there now. One of the earliest establishments there was a market corner store / place to get gas. We would walk there (3 miles of desert road to walk) from my house as kids after school to get 10¢ jolly ranchers and 15¢ fireballs (they sold them individually wrapped). We got into all sorts of "trouble" as kids.
I however wouldn't want that childhood for any kids now. I personally ended up pretty messed up psychologically. Was it my childhood to blame? Maybe. Maybe not. But i do know, had my parents kept a better awareness of my fomingw and goings....some bad and scarring experiences wouldn't of happened. So if i ever have kids (probably not but who knows) I'm not letting something like that happen to them: I'd be much more attentive to thwir every day experiences.
In terms of environmental impact of meat and cattle industries, one important points which you overlooked os the fact that as demand for meat (especially beef and pork) is one of the major drivers behind the destruction of the rainforest in Central and South America, as more and more rainforest is being slashed and burned to make space for animal grazing.
BTW Beef industry. Fossil fuels are used to fertilize the feed. Wild-ranched beef that only uses what nature provides, with no fertilizers, may be better as far as AGW?
Death is actually the worst thing to happen to you if you're choosing it as the only misfortune you'll ever have to experience. Death means that everything you've ever wanted to achieve will never happen. It means an eternity of chances to improve your wellbeing down the drain.
Moving up the death you're already heading towards by a year or two isn't the worst thing that can happen. But I'd subject myself to a whole lot of suffering if it meant I got to be immortal afterward.
One thing to consider from a humanist perspective about maximally efficient yet cruel factory farming is the deleterious effects on human welfare. Slaughterhouse workers have incredibly high instances if PTSD as well as high suicide rates overall.
Regarding letting the dog lead the walk. I do not agree. I think dogs are happier when they are guided into the behaviors we want to see. For instance, when I am walking my dogs, we are on Patrol. The dogs know I have a purpose. They are happier when they know they are fulfilling my purpose. They want to be helpful, because they are domesticated,
I'm fairly sure my dog has a good life. She's had chances to run away and chose to stay nearby, so in a revealed preference sense I'm apparently better than what she thinks she could get on the street. Plus I do lots of things to make her happy (e.g., she gets to herd sheep) so it makes sense that she'd want to stay nearby.
My concern with the carbon being converted into methane rather than carbon dioxide may mean that that carbon is less likely to continue along in the carbon cycle as I believe methanotrophs are likely rarer than plants. Also as pointed out, methane is a far more efficient greenhouse gas, so while in the atmosphere it will be trapping more heat.
I would also be concerned about the amount of old growth forests being cut down in places like the Amazon for use as cattle pasture. While carbon sequestered not as long ago as in fossil fuels, it is still likely to contribute to atmospheric levels, particularly with the tendency towards slash and burn clearing, rather than the trees being made into lumber.
A cat knock something off the table because it is either curious about physics or unhappy about that one time you forgot to feed it on time in the night of nov 2017 and you didn't apologize.
I have no evidence of this being factual or not 🤣
you make some points i love and some that seem utterly alien here
the point i disagree with and can reason against most efficiently is that a soft life does *not* make you more sympathetic and a hard life does not make you *less* sympathetic
the most loving, caring people i know have lived terrible lives
and look at how disconnected and uncaring some rich kids are. "rich kid" is a stereotype for a reason
also i think you're heartless towards animals bordering on serious supremacy
"can't speak english" is not not sentient
but that's harder to talk about
Fifty years ago, one of my friends had a friend who had grown up in a poor area of the rural South in the '50s, in a time and place when people didn't commonly spay their dogs. His grandmother had a female Labrador retriever, and she didn't want to have to be repeatedly disposing of litters of puppies like some did, so she came up with an alternative solution. Thinking about the rings they put in pigs' noses, she got one of those rings and installed it on the dog----guess where? It worked! Whatever her hormonal state, that dog would NOT tolerate a male's advances. This guy told me how one of the vivid memories he had of his childhood was of walking down a hot, dusty dirt road with this big black dog walking along in front of him, with the sun glinting off of that little gold ring in her nether region.
Fuck I hope that's not a true story.
I will give this a like because it's an interesting read from an anthropological point of view, but as a dog person, living with dogs my whole life, both wild and tame, male and female, I think that kind of genital mutilation is a bit too cruel for me. I was partially raised by "wild farmdogs" Especially a lady named emma, and the thought of her being sexually discomforted to the point where male advances turned her agro feels like a bad plan (No shade on your grandma, but that is a clever if non-ethical soulution in my book)
As far as I know the white bar is where people click, not what they view. You can see what people actually view in your channel analytics in viewer retention.
I listened to 5 minutes of this on the podcast in the car and immediately decided to watch the rest of it for Poptart
it is not clear to the average viewer which of your videos you disown due to age,
i suggest unlisting them
the pun of having a dog named Pup Tart is very good :D
As an avid enjoyer of Adam tangents, I would love to see more of this lay out
Im amazed that lab puppy sat as still as it did
Adam Ragusea looking like a whole uncle
Was this re-uploaded with omissions, or am I dreaming?
How about a dog named minion on RUclips vs Disney?