@@n00ber420 ok asshat. I watched it for 7 days straight. I start the semi’s after the quarter’s, and after the last 16, etc. The next video is there when you are done and the title is an immediate spoiler.
That foul didn't make sense either way. The ref didn't look closer and call the balls frozen or not, seems like that should have been done. The cue ball doesn't move straight forward but it does move forward. From the the thousands of masse shots I've taken you can tell when you double hit the cue ball, the path of the cue ball and the spin change from the double hit. That looked too clean to be a double hit
I have been arguing this for years I can hit that shot without a double hit and it sometimes goes out 2 feet before it draws back. They need a slow mo camera to show if it’s a double hit or not, most players can feel and hear the double hit and will call it on themselves. I’m sure by sky’s reaction it was not a double hit and he knew it. Would love to see dr pool or somebody do a video on this and send it out there to all these referees!! The cue ball is off the felt during and after contact so backspin doesn’t matter and of course it’s going to continue forward till it lands. Simple but hard to prove.
That ref does snooker as well, and it's called a push shot there. At that distance the ball has to go forward and it HAS to be a push shot or foul. The only way to play that is with really soft hands, almost like holding your cue like a dart and poking at the ball. Mike Massey showed how this is done. It's still really hard to do, and the only way to avoid it is play safety, away from the ball at an angle.
What makes it a double hit? The fact the object ball is present? Is it not possible to perform that same shot on the cue WITHOUT an object ball present. In that case the cue ball would still travel forward until the masse backspin took hold. I'm sure everyone has had that experience while practicing masse shots. The ball always moves forward some, then back. But how do you double hit the cue ball in a case like that if you use this metric of the cue ball traveling forward is the indication of a foul.
It would go forward a lot less, if there was no 2nd hit, and if there WAS a 2nd hit, I'll say that it would do exactly what it did, so the ref is correct, in my mind....
@@ODA-392 I'm with you. The feel is totally different and special. My Viper cue is discontinued so I gobbled up 15 extra wood shafts to rotate them...go wood ! Keep pocketing, player!
9:07 If 9 ball isn't easy, why do the keep changing the rules to make it harder? 4" pockets, limited break area, rack the 9 ball on the spot, 3 across the head string, ref's judging if a break is hard enough. They even added the 10 ball and made a whole new game because of how easy 9 ball s.
@@sergio6126 They haven't had to change 8 ball(on a 7 ft) or snooker to make it harder. The entire 9 ball concept of a game is too easy and should just be replaced by 8 ball. The Ultimate Pool is a good start.
@@sergio6126I think matchroom have brought a snooker / english 8 ball sensibility to the game - which I agree with. it's ridiculous watching the old days of people slopping in balls off 5 or even 4 1/2 inch pockets. I think american tables with 4 inch pockets is pretty much the perfect table - for 8, 9 and 10 ball. maybe 4 1/4 for 14.1 and 4 1/2 for one pocket. anyway, happy days
@@sergio6126 8 ball is a joke you have so many balls to play with no penalty for missing a shot shape! Simonas cloth slides when new so a 4 inch pocket plays like a 4 1/4 inch pocket except from the very center when you go to your local pool on the pocket is a quarter. It’ll tighter than the 4 inch with brand new cloth game on 7 foot table is for ball bankers! One pocket on 4.25 - 4.1/8 is the way to go!
Good call from the ref, if a ball is that close, you shouldn't be playing towards it. Once you hit the white ball, the cue will go through the white ball and push both balls at the same time, it was 100% a push shot . Skyler let it get to him too, he should have just tried to play on as normal.
Interesting masse foul incident…cj whiley posted on his youtube channel that it clearly was not a foul but experienced Karl Boyes and the ref were adament it was a foul….?
CJ Wiley is absolutely wrong. The referee and Karl Boyes were correct. Dr. Dave has several lengthy videos proving this type of result from a hit like this is a foul.
@@we5xz-1902 that is ridiculous. That's interesting. The pool hall I go to got all diamonds early this year with 4" pockets. This pool hall has always been packed. 24/7. Now there's usually a car or two in the parking lot. I won't even go now. The game isn't fun for the weekend player.
@@egroegartfart We're not talking about the recreational player. We're talking about the professional level. In theory, you would have a few tight tables for the money games and the rest with more forgiving pockets for the players like yourself.
FWIW, my advice would be safety rather than risk giving the ref an opportunity to inject himself into the match. That said, it may be a foul, but foul or not I believe 100% of refs will call a foul. They seem to love making calls like that imho. Sky was just asking that ref to fvck him.
@@skibbles827 if the balls were frozen, Marcel should’ve said that if Skyler would’ve hit the ball forward that would most definitely result it in a double hit. To me it looked like the right execution
That referee is one of the best in the world. Skyler knew that was a foul, but protested a little to make it look good. The referee was 100 percent correct.
Referee was 100 percent correct. Just go back and listen to the commentators who agreed that it was a double hit. The only way the cue ball can go forward from that tiny distance of separation is by an illegal double hit.
For years now, the rule has been that as long as the cue is 45 degrees or halfway up. It isn't a foul unless you obviously push through where the cue ball keeps going forward.
This was never a foul at all. If shooting from top into the table is considered a double contact, then shooting thing away from the ball would also be a double contact. No way this is a double contact the way he played it.
@@SRoqua if the balls are not frozen, it is impossible to shoot through them without it being a foul, so yes it is very possible. You are not educated on Pool. The balls were not frozen. Therefore, it is impossible to make a good hit going into the balls like that.
@@SRoqua there is a difference between the balls being frozen and not frozen and those balls were not frozen. I really wish that people would educate themselves before they comment on stuff they don’t know anything about.
Mickey look like the type of guy to drink a latte while driving an electric scooter
Haha funny image. Mickey is a good guy.
What's funny is you look exactly the same
@@Hugh_Vincent🤣🤣🤣
Mickey looks like this old cool vikings, when they play against a babyface.
@Hugh_Vincent 😅 I'm not that coordinated
karl boyes, please make whats in the bag for mickey krause. i'd love to see his cue, without sponsored by any cue makers. thx before mate
He uses carbon fiber shaft also.
Matchroom, please don’t label the Final and Semi Final videos with the player names for at least the few first days to prevent spoilers please
Agreed, I got spoiled right away when I opened the channel
They don't care. They want you to pay to watch it live.
@@k3ithf00ngwhy do you open the channel in the first place u dum dum
Maybe you should keep up with it
@@n00ber420 ok asshat. I watched it for 7 days straight. I start the semi’s after the quarter’s, and after the last 16, etc.
The next video is there when you are done and the title is an immediate spoiler.
"Oh Mickey, you're so fine. You're so fine, you blow my mind. HEY MICKEY!"
That foul didn't make sense either way. The ref didn't look closer and call the balls frozen or not, seems like that should have been done. The cue ball doesn't move straight forward but it does move forward. From the the thousands of masse shots I've taken you can tell when you double hit the cue ball, the path of the cue ball and the spin change from the double hit. That looked too clean to be a double hit
I absolutely agree what I can see is that was only one contact but like the whole distance moving forward
I have been arguing this for years I can hit that shot without a double hit and it sometimes goes out 2 feet before it draws back. They need a slow mo camera to show if it’s a double hit or not, most players can feel and hear the double hit and will call it on themselves. I’m sure by sky’s reaction it was not a double hit and he knew it. Would love to see dr pool or somebody do a video on this and send it out there to all these referees!! The cue ball is off the felt during and after contact so backspin doesn’t matter and of course it’s going to continue forward till it lands. Simple but hard to prove.
@@tnross23 I think if Sky double hit he wouldn't try and get away with it
That ref does snooker as well, and it's called a push shot there. At that distance the ball has to go forward and it HAS to be a push shot or foul. The only way to play that is with really soft hands, almost like holding your cue like a dart and poking at the ball. Mike Massey showed how this is done. It's still really hard to do, and the only way to avoid it is play safety, away from the ball at an angle.
@@shanilmisra Finally someone with some knowledge
I almost clicked away at 6-0.
Glad I stuck it out.
Why? Same result
You should have guessed from the length of the video
What makes it a double hit? The fact the object ball is present? Is it not possible to perform that same shot on the cue WITHOUT an object ball present. In that case the cue ball would still travel forward until the masse backspin took hold.
I'm sure everyone has had that experience while practicing masse shots. The ball always moves forward some, then back.
But how do you double hit the cue ball in a case like that if you use this metric of the cue ball traveling forward is the indication of a foul.
It would go forward a lot less, if there was no 2nd hit, and if there WAS a 2nd hit, I'll say that it would do exactly what it did, so the ref is correct, in my mind....
what pool cues do these guys use?
@@Davecampos15 Never, they both use wooden shafts.
Cuetec SVB is a carbon cue.
@@luckyone1413 lol I misread, I thought the question was what cues do we use 😅
Skyler uses a Cuetec Avid shaft on his cue, Mickey I have no idea, doesn't seem to be sponsored yet but probably will be after this.
Mickey uses a Eddie Cohen cue.
IMO it was a double hit foul. The cue ball started moving forward at the same speed as the object ball and beyond the object ball position.
Semi final
Sky chokeward at it again. I have been rooting for him for years. Deserves a big title
Flot Mickey, test of nerves på alle mulige måder, men du gjorde det....!!!
What was close about it
Battle of de Wood Shafts.
They are still and will ever be viable.
Excellent.
Skylar uses a 150 dollar fiberglass shaft.
Thanks, good to know.
I still stand behind my claim : wood shafts will always be superior.
@@garbygarb31 It's a fiberglass-coated wooden shaft
@@ODA-392 I'm with you.
The feel is totally different and special.
My Viper cue is discontinued so I
gobbled up 15 extra wood shafts to rotate them...go wood !
Keep pocketing, player!
9:07 If 9 ball isn't easy, why do the keep changing the rules to make it harder? 4" pockets, limited break area, rack the 9 ball on the spot, 3 across the head string, ref's judging if a break is hard enough. They even added the 10 ball and made a whole new game because of how easy 9 ball s.
they keep making it harder to attract more views, more drama. when pros miss, its drama and attracts more views.
@@sergio6126 They haven't had to change 8 ball(on a 7 ft) or snooker to make it harder. The entire 9 ball concept of a game is too easy and should just be replaced by 8 ball. The Ultimate Pool is a good start.
@@sergio6126I think matchroom have brought a snooker / english 8 ball sensibility to the game - which I agree with.
it's ridiculous watching the old days of people slopping in balls off 5 or even 4 1/2 inch pockets.
I think american tables with 4 inch pockets is pretty much the perfect table - for 8, 9 and 10 ball.
maybe 4 1/4 for 14.1
and 4 1/2 for one pocket.
anyway, happy days
@@sergio6126 8 ball is a joke you have so many balls to play with no penalty for missing a shot shape! Simonas cloth slides when new so a 4 inch pocket plays like a 4 1/4 inch pocket except from the very center when you go to your local pool on the pocket is a quarter. It’ll tighter than the 4 inch with brand new cloth game on 7 foot table is for ball bankers! One pocket on 4.25 - 4.1/8 is the way to go!
@@justsomeguy6474 if I am playing filler for my life I want to play 8 ball as it has most luck! I am a 695-705 Fargo
I don't think the seven ball was a miss in rack three by Skyler. I think it was a safety.
The title of the video is incorrect
How?
SW's delivery of the cue is veering off to one side on a lot of his shots.
Good call from the ref, if a ball is that close, you shouldn't be playing towards it.
Once you hit the white ball, the cue will go through the white ball and push both balls at the same time, it was 100% a push shot .
Skyler let it get to him too, he should have just tried to play on as normal.
Really tired of highlights stuff
Mickey looks like a 30 year old gamer geek
Just my 2 cents, but Skyler should have played safe on that last 3 ball.
Lol….no brained
He should know that’s going to be fault
Wtf.
lol this has to be the stupidest thing i’ve read today
@@bigbootyboyy Put your dolls away and get back to bed.
@@fedup7416 work is calling bud, time to leave your APA 2 tournament
He won because the ref called a BS foul call.
Yes it was a foul he had no margin for error and therefore push ed the cue ball
So do they play 1 Break Chance 1,000,000.00perball on single break.. "Charity Racks"?
Hmmm... that ref makes a lot of movement right after the player goes down on the shot.
Anyone noticed how Mickey lagged? 😂 even in the finals
Great fucking shot!
That was a BS call on Skyler in game 2
Interesting masse foul incident…cj whiley posted on his youtube channel that it clearly was not a foul but experienced Karl Boyes and the ref were adament it was a foul….?
CJ Wiley is absolutely wrong. The referee and Karl Boyes were correct. Dr. Dave has several lengthy videos proving this type of result from a hit like this is a foul.
And you helped that Ali g
Woodward looks like he bottled it. The cut on the yellow in rack 1 was poor.
What size are these pockets? They look ridiculously small.
3.98”
@@we5xz-1902 that is ridiculous. That's interesting. The pool hall I go to got all diamonds early this year with 4" pockets. This pool hall has always been packed. 24/7. Now there's usually a car or two in the parking lot. I won't even go now. The game isn't fun for the weekend player.
@@egroegartfart We're not talking about the recreational player. We're talking about the professional level. In theory, you would have a few tight tables for the money games and the rest with more forgiving pockets for the players like yourself.
FWIW, my advice would be safety rather than risk giving the ref an opportunity to inject himself into the match. That said, it may be a foul, but foul or not I believe 100% of refs will call a foul. They seem to love making calls like that imho. Sky was just asking that ref to fvck him.
Sky should have immediately asked for a second opinion
Yeah that looked like a good hit to me. They should have one video challenge per match, like in all other sports, and if your wrong you get penalized
@@skibbles827 if the balls were frozen, Marcel should’ve said that if Skyler would’ve hit the ball forward that would most definitely result it in a double hit. To me it looked like the right execution
It was a foul shot on the 6 ball
Skyler needs to not make most the balls and leave that guy 2 easy
And who ever agreed with it
Sådan, Mickey 🇩🇰
What a sigma match 😊🎉😂❤
If I needed someone to watch a shot and had to choose between Sky or that ref... SKYLER EVERY TIME!
That referee is one of the best in the world. Skyler knew that was a foul, but protested a little to make it look good. The referee was 100 percent correct.
@@trailerwookie I've seen that ref make several incorrect rulings. NOT the best, not even close.
Good try, Sky... next time.
Pork no pasan esa jugada en vivo si ya pasó no tiene gusto ver eso
English commentators saying Skyleh Woodwood lmao
Ref 😕👎
Wrong call ref.. Shoulda looked at the replay
Referee was 100 percent correct. Just go back and listen to the commentators who agreed that it was a double hit. The only way the cue ball can go forward from that tiny distance of separation is by an illegal double hit.
Can’t believe sky argued that wasn’t a foul.
it wasn't a foul. the ball went forward OFF the line of the object ball.
@@earthtribe786 Forward OFF the line of the object ball.... is a foul.
For years now, the rule has been that as long as the cue is 45 degrees or halfway up. It isn't a foul unless you obviously push through where the cue ball keeps going forward.
@@tyarnold4088what's the time stamp on that Ty ?
Timestamp please? Can't find the moment despite a thorough search 😮
Sky should have known shooting through the 6 ball would be a foul! If the are not frozen you have to shoot away
Yeah, that was strange. I saw a safety immediately.
This was never a foul at all. If shooting from top into the table is considered a double contact, then shooting thing away from the ball would also be a double contact. No way this is a double contact the way he played it.
@@SRoqua if the balls are not frozen, it is impossible to shoot through them without it being a foul, so yes it is very possible. You are not educated on Pool. The balls were not frozen. Therefore, it is impossible to make a good hit going into the balls like that.
@@SRoqua you must be some bar box player
@@SRoqua there is a difference between the balls being frozen and not frozen and those balls were not frozen. I really wish that people would educate themselves before they comment on stuff they don’t know anything about.
That was a bad call- NOT a foul whatsoever. That ref is gonna hear about this for a looooong time
dude is not very bright - when the game is getting away then you slow down and don't slam balls ala the end of game 3.
The foul and hanging that early 9.....
come on aquaman
Karius took revenge on Benzema
Good job Mickey. Wood shaft !!!!!! Guess u can play without carbon fiber
literally nobody said you couldn't
Twot knot boy
That shot on the 6 ball was not a foul !!!
great match, once I muted it.
You can say what ya want about the rules but his mind set dipped a lil further because of that lousy call ! Grow up and claim ref !
Good job Marcel for automatically calling out the foul on Skylar. Every player and their mother know this foul except Skylar apparently lol
Looks like the cue ball was frozen to the object ball, in which case it’s not a foul
@@keworder It still is according to their rule set
@@tech-sc8qg It wasn't.
Mickey already won this match,, its delayed live
Way to ruin it
C***
It’s a highlight. Don’t spoil it next time too.
A hole
r3tard
Can't really get on board rooting for a blonde ginger metrosexual sporting a man bun, but good luck to him in the future nonetheless.