Why New 2019 Honda CRF450L is TRASH 💩
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CycleCruza those horsepower and torque numbers are not for the bikes entering the US market my man. Those power figures were released for the bikes that are being sold in Europe, Japan, China and other countries that have very strict smog laws. We wont know the power figures for the US market forsure until we get our first shipments but the industry rumor right now is that it's supposed to have 38-42 horsepower and an equal amount of torque
Ryan T someone needs to change their tampon
Ryan T this is exactly what happened with the wr250r. When the specs were first released everyone was in an uproar because it was stated that the wr250r would only have 15hp, but once it came State side we saw 20hp plus. They do this all the time with motorcycles, they release the European specs first
why though? KTM is European and street legal and has shittons of power.
This video is misinformed and not based on experience you should change it or take it down
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Teck Rylee no it’s definitely misinformation, the 450L has 25hp in Europe but has 40hp in the states. There’s more to the list but as far as the video is concerned it’s not quite accurate.
"Here in Ohio we don't care about facts"
You dead wrong on this one Cruza... Look forward to the follow up video saying how completely wrong you were...
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Teck Rylee I feel like you’re actually Cruza with a fake profile
Now would be a great time for some one to say “ you shouldn’t believe everything you read on the internet “
CycleCruza is a dumbass. You can believe that.
UPDATE: Honda clarifies horsepower for CRF450L (Much Faster!) ruclips.net/video/fUmtzOlqAtc/видео.html
41.7 HP for the CRF450L
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Once the ACTUAL Specs are out you will be making a third video saying how good this bike is again.. I will be waiting
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It's almost physically impossible to have the same power as the CRF250L Rally...24hp and still pass emissions. They would have to run it so lean and choked down it wouldn't be reliable at 12:1 compression and 450cc. Honda is a multi-billion dollar company. They are breaking ground here.... 25hp is ludicrous. I like the channel brother, but you are listening to dead wrong speculation. It will be mid to high 40's easily. Mark my words..
Yes.. Hope CycleCruza comes to his senses and deletes this fake news vid. I like CycleCruza but this is a lot of BS in this video.
This was VERIFIED from HONDA :www.hondaprokevin.com/2019-honda-crf450l-review-specs-motorcycle-dual-sport
From his blog: "Quite a few people have expressed concern on multiple forums, comment section below and on social media etc that the CRF450L’s horsepower rating on this page is a typo or incorrect. *The horsepower rating below is not a typo on my end. The 2019 CRF450L horsepower and torque numbers are directly from Honda* Thanks as always for the feedback though guys, you keep me on my toes when it comes to information like this and at times I do make mistakes so having thousands of extra eyes on the information can be helpful."
CycleCruza it wasn’t a typo on his end, it was BS info from a Honda representative. There’s no way in the world this bike only has 25hp.
ADV Forum - Lengthy conversation with Honda Dealer about this bike. This bloke knows his bikes back to front, including rebuilding, ergonomics, compression, suspension etc..
When I informed him of some of the specs floating around for the bike he laughed his ass off......
According to him the bike will be mid to high 40's BHP (Laughed that a 450cc would be same output as the underpowered 250L) "That's one hell of a restrictive metal corset" he stated.
All the increased detail internally is aimed at increasing service intervals to 8000 - 10000km for oil/air filter. ("No point dicking about with the engine if service intervals is the same as the MX versions, what would have been the bloody point..!")
The rear frame can take loading, "Not hauling 200kg beer loading, but extra fuel/rotopax, camping gear no worries.", also stated "Yup the fuel tank is the size of a bee's d.......k...... but honda looking at giving a 11L or thereabout option then there will be a safari option within a very short time frame." YAY!....
Will be interesting to see how much BS has been published about this bike and what is indeed fact.... I tend to believe him more than the internet as he'll honestly slag any bike he thinks they cocked up on even if he's selling it... ("250L should have been a great bike, small fuel tank and ridiculously underpowered", according to him LOL..... )
PRO Honda Kevin WORKS AT HONDA! Research is your friend. I tend to believe someone who works at Honda rather than some dude on a forum. lol
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The 250L and 450L have the same hp? I dont think so. Time will tell until honda releases official data
Do they tho?
They have.. In europe for example
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It's got a throttle stop like the wr450. Takes five minutes to remove. It will make over 50hp. It's going to be a great bike. My 2014 wr450f made 20 horsepower when I got it. You take the throttle stop out in 5 minutes and put a plug in it's place. Makes over 50hp in 5 minutes. Buy a Vmax by the way. Yes it's heavier because it has quality components.
You are wrong what you read is fake news the bike has a race engine and it's going to be fast it has the same engine as the crf450r just different cams and piston it's going to have the same power or a little less power then the race bike thats why theres so much mantaince do your homework a little more before you post this video to give people the wrong information
www.hondaprokevin.com/2019-honda-crf450l-review-specs-motorcycle-dual-sport
Pro Honda Kevin works at Honda. Research is your friend.
Trusting 1 article written by 1 guy is not research. Show me REAL indisputable proof that this is true and I'll believe it. Until then I'm not going to trust Pro Honda Kevin!
CycleCruza will kevin still be your friend once the real specs are released and he is wrong?
450L engine is not the same as the 450r by any means
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Where are you getting these numbers from man? The CRF450X that this is based on, with same compression, piston etc pushes 45 hp...
CRF450X is not street legal, therefore was not neutered. CRf450l has 3 ring piston restrictive modified air box and a heavy crank. Power is reduced drastically. Read Pro Honda Kevin's blog on the crf450l, he deals directly with Honda: www.hondaprokevin.com/2019-honda-crf450l-review-specs-motorcycle-dual-sport
bro my CRF250L is 22hp and only 20lbs heavier and half the price, I don't really trust his break down - I highly doubt he got his hands on one and put it on the Dyno... I also heard 19,000 miles as the first major service (also supposedly honda verified)... lots of talk going on with this bike, but I would hope and assume the 25hp estimation is inaccurate. It obviously won't be a KTM, but I would be happy with like 35hp and 19,000mile service intervals.. hell I love my 250L just like you love your WR250 haha
Sum Gui Honda itself has confirmed the service intervals:
600miles Oils/Air filter
1800miles valves
~19000miles rebuild
that's where the 19000 miles comes from then, I got ya
Sum Gui Yep. Little bit dissapointing for a street legal enduro bike isn't it.
I was in a Honda dealer in Australia yesterday and the sales guy told me two versions will be available for Australia. He actually saw it last week at Honda hq in Australia. And I've seen Facebook photos to declare one of them is in the country. Now, in Australia we have this thing called lams. For learner riders. They get same bike, but restricted. All of us full licenced riders get un restricted. The 25 horse power version sounds like a lams bike. He told me that we can buy restricted or un- restricted. And all is needed to change the from one to another is ecu swapped over. I guarantee, the un-restricted version will pump out 40-50 horsepower at the crank. I was considering a wr before this was announced by Honda but now going to wait till this is available in October. it will shit all over the 20 year old, drz. This dealer sold Suzuki, Honda and BMW. He said it looks great in the flesh and they've not done a half assed job on it. I commented on reading that it had 25 horsepower from a internet site in the states and he said that they have really strict emissions controls and they get their bikes choked up from the factory. This will be a game changer. Expect, Japanese manufacturers to follow suit.
Dude ktm says that the excf 500 has 25hp but in reality it makes 60hp
Exactly. That figure means nothing. I bet it will be about 40bhp.
Where? KTM does not even release it's hp numbers. Somebody put the 500 exc-f on a dyno, 63 hp!
yeah he never said that the ktm made 25hp?
Honda doesn't release their HP numbers either... what some guy who never dynoed the bike says is hearsay until the bike is put on a dyno...
Sum Gui
But they do... honda says the wet weight and hp on all their bikes ... you must accept that honda probably really fucked up ... and bdw honda did approve the stats that the ,, some guy,, said :)
25 horsepower is horseshit. I have a 250 starter bike for my daughter and it has 25 horsepower. If a 450 is only making 25 horsepower that is an extremely inefficient engine.
It's because this is fake news. It will have probably double that.
It has over 40
41 HP!!! Officially (Honda specs)
What do you think about the 2018 cb1000. Looks like a good bike
Also I have a friend here in Cypress California that is an engineer for Yamaha. He tells me they have no plans of pursuing the KTM, Husqvarna, Beta business.
Mostly due to the difficulty of getting a large single cylinder to pass smog requirements. He told me that the smaller boutique motorcycle manufacturers mentioned above,play by a much more lenient set of rules then do the big Japanese companies.
And yet notice the T 7 prototype ...if that bike comes in at even 350llbs and 70hp? Gonna steal LOTS of KTM business if you ask me ...gonna steal MINE for sure!
The way I read it, the European version has 24 hp. The U.S. version is closer to 45 hp.
Fake news
www.hondaprokevin.com/2019-honda-crf450l-review-specs-motorcycle-dual-sport
NOTE: Pro Honda Kevin WORKS AT HONDA!
honda doesnt even advertise horsepower on their CURRENT bikes and you think this dude got the hp specs for a brand new unreleased bike.
Nope.. your source is incorrect. Honda has not posted HP numbers yet but it will be slightly less than than the crf450x..high forties. Cycle Cruza...don't be a fool. I like your website but...you are wrong. This bike is going to be a game changer. The WR250 is more of a turd than this crf..the WR250 should be crushed and melted down.
CycleCruza Honda just wants to stir drama and have people talking about the bike and making videos.. Wait until the release date and you will see. But for now your giving them free advertisement
FYI - Here is a reliable source to verify the power specs: www.hondaprokevin.com/2019-honda-crf450l-review-specs-motorcycle-dual-sport
Really man? You back and forth on every topic, just looking double the channel view count?
No, I keep it real and inform my viewers. However, some people can't handle the truth: www.hondaprokevin.com/2019-honda-crf450l-review-specs-motorcycle-dual-sport
FYI - Unfortunately, I did not have the power specs when I made the first video, the bike had just come out the day before and the power specs were not available at the time. I was updated by a viewer in my first video and found a reliable source, Pro Honda Kevin who got his specs directly from Honda: www.hondaprokevin.com/2019-honda-crf450l-review-specs-motorcycle-dual-sport
CycleCruza fair enough, not knowing the specs beforehand I can see the disappointment. But being reasonable the only way they can transform a hot motocross engine that measures maintenance intervals in hours into a reliable dual sport with maintenance intervals way further apart was to detune it. Honda is just being honda and keeping it conservative.
For sure Yammie is going to step up to the plate but with the mt07 tenere, I doubt they will fill the gap with a 450r given that the 250r does a great job already.
Another thing, I don’t think Honda is stupid enough to put out a bike at this price point and have such little power. You’re talking like crf250l power...ya know, a bike they already fucking make. They wouldn’t release this and with such little power and expect it to sell on brand loyalty alone. That would work in their favor about as well as a lead ballon
crf250l is 22.8 hp. There's no possible way the crf450l only has 25hp. Honda made a typo...
$10k for a dual sport is way to much. I would rather just get an outdated drz or the wr250 brand new... Customize either one and still have money leftover well below $10k..
Exactly, and wayyyy less wrenching and better reliability.
Still only have something half baked either way ....you have to pay to play ...always have
THATS THE EUROPEAN VERSION
Are we absolutely certain on the Performance stats & service intervals? If what you are saying is accurate than I just can’t understand why anyone would invest in this. The old 650 dual sports are better. The WR250R is superior. It’s confusing to me. Something appears off.
It makes no sense to me either. Why would someone get a crf450l with dirt bike maintenance for $10,300 but is only a 25 hp?
I’m kind of hoping the hp and service figures will be improved once actual bike is launched. I got really excited when this was first announced.
CycleCruza it makes no sense because its bs you clown. Yes I understand to be euro 5 compliant it needs to be restricted but not by that much, it's either got a throttle stop that's easily removed or it's simply just bullshit information. The majority of non high performance 250cc motorcycles on the market today make around 20-25. Honda aren't stupid they will not spend millions of dollars developing a new motorcycle for it to be no better than their 250 for gods sake. And at the price their asking? Common........
Detuning doesn't change the bike as bad as people might think. It usually brings the horsepower down but ups the low end torque. So on paper it won't look as good but the power is there where street riders and trail riders need it. Hopefully the 450 will be better than it looks on paper
Dirt bike =KTM all the way
Anas Alalwe
Naw... Maico is better. And KTM has absorbed Maico.
Nah, Yamaha invented everything about dirt. Rest is copy cats :) You know its true.
Anas Alalwe = FANBOY all the way
The U.S version will have far more power due to different licensing requiremeNvts for our riders. Also, think about how rediculously easy it will be to upgrade this entire bike with Ebay's deep stockpile of CRF450R parts.
Man not to say anything bad but I do miss the old way you did things. Top 5 top 4 is just getting old. Let’s see some riding again. Sleeper van was awesome.
im glad you are open to being wrong after hyping the thing up before it flopped, good work
Inb4 he buys it and says it's the greatest bike in the world
naw man. lol Honda is no longer in the business of making cutting edge bikes. Their full on dirt bikes are still good though.
PSYCHOCRUZA
I’ve been riding dirt bikes since 1973. Your facts are 100% incorrect! I own a modified 2009 WR250R which I LOVE!! I also own a very heavily modified 2006 Suzuki DRZ 400S with an RM fork on it--don’t ask it was a royal pain although it is as great as a 5 speed carburetor fed dual sport bike which needs a sixth gear can be. I also owned a lightened up modified KTM RXC 620 (They have a 608cc LC4 MOTOR). I also had a 2004 KTM 525 MXC-G Desert Racer with a six speed tranny and a stock 3.5 gallon tank. The first KTM was modified by and the second one was purchased from the same dealer in Las Vegas. The heavier RXC 620 will wheelie with just the throttle at over 9,000ft. The 525 KTM would pull a wheeliie in gears 1-3 again NO clutch was needed do do this from 2,000ft--10,000ft plus. Un-modified, HONDA’S CRF450L will wheelie with throttle only at 5,000+ft.. THERE IS NO WAY IT COULD DO THIS ON 25HP!!!! By the way the two older KTM’s I once had used racing pumper carburetor’s and they developed 50-60+HP depending on the bike. The bike I test rode today with far less modifications than my 2009 WR250R and the KTM’S I mentioned would EAT THEM ALIVE FROM 2,000-10,000 FEET!!! Only the 525 MXC-G could give it a serious run for its money. Will the CRF 450L ever beat Husqvarna 501 or the KTM 500 uh NO 50cc is a lot to overcome when bikes are fuel injected. Can the CRF 450L be uncorked so it runs so close they can’t ever lose sight of it on their heels? YES IF ALL THREE ARE RIDDEN BY COMPETENT RIDERS OF SIMILIAR EXPERIENCE. IF THE CFR RIDER WEIGHS 50LBS LESS THAN THE TWO AUSTRIAN QUEENS THEN THE CRF COULD BEAT THEM. IS THE WP XPLOR SUSPENSON BETTER THAN THE SHOWA? Yeah. Enough to beat the CRF? I doubt it and I love WP suspensions! Put a 50 lb lighter rider of equal skill and experience on the CRF450L AND IT WILL EQUAL OR MOST LIKELY BEAT THE AUSTRIANS!
There is one area where THERE IS ZERO QUESTION AS TO WHO WINS HANDS DOWN AND IT IS HONDA BECAUSE HONDA ABSOLUTELY MOPS PLANET EARTH AGAINST KTM, HUSQVARNA AND ALL OTHER EUROPEAN MAKES--WITH A MUCH LARGER NETWORK OF WORLDWIDE DEALER SUPPORT WITH HIGH QUALITY PARTS WHICH COST A LOT LESS THAN THE AUSTRIAN AND OTHER EUROPEAN BIKES. I rode KTM in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. Cost of parts, new bike quality and reliability below Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki eventually lead me to get rid of all my KTM’S what back when people were still asking “KTM, WHAT KIND OF KAWASAKI IS THAT?” I’m serious!
Have I test ridden the new bikes? YES!!!!! I’m ECSTATIC TO SEE THIS SURGING OF THE EUROPEAN DIRT AND DUALSPORT MARKET BECAUSE NOW PEOPLE KNOW KTM IS NOT A MODEL OF Kawasaki!!!! We have MORE CHOICES OF HIGH PERFORMANCE AND QUALITY DUALSPORTS than we once did in motorcycles!!! (O.K. I admit my last statement isn’t true but it sure as heck seems like it!)
One last suggestion, unless you personally own, have owned, OR have a family member, friend or a dealer with a bike who is willing to let you seriously test ride it I suggest dialing back the unsubstantiated “I AM THE AUTHORITY/EXPERT” rhetoric and commentary!!!! Now to be AS FAIR AS I CAN BE TO YOU, I must tell you, the 25 HP is supposedly for some European Union countries. HOWEVER, AS I AM NOT A EUROPEAN I WILL NOT STATE THIS AS IF IT IS FACT!!! ALSO I AM NOT GOING TO FLY OVER TO EUROPE TO VERIFY THE THE VALIDITY OF SUCH A STATEMENT!
I read this and some U.S.& Canadian Rocky Mountain Honda dealers looked into it and they feel fairly certain this is correct-BUT ONLY FOR SOME EUROPEAN COUNTRIES! However, even the HONDA Dealers wouldn’t make a concrete statement about castrated EUROPEAN CRF450L’S. With 45 years+ of riding experience I know the bike I was fortunate enough to try at over 5,000+FT altitude is a mid to high 40’s HP stock bike which is whisper quiet!! It could easily be legally uncorked to enhance performance up to between 50-60+H.P.-depending on your budget and state-with an equally impressive increase in torque. Outside of Comradefornia this bike has definite potential far beyond stock. Bikes don’t wheelie at over a mile of elevation above sea level when they are built as big as the one I rode on with only 25HP!! SORRY CYCLE CRUISER BUT IN THIS CASE IT IS YOUR “facts” WHICH ONLY HAVE 25 H.P.!!! I DO NOT MEAN TO SOUND RUDE DISRESPECTFUL OR CONDESCENDING BUT YOUR “facts” aren’t even factual they are FLAT OUT WRONG ERRORS!!! NOW BEFORE YOU JUMP ON ME OR OTHERS ATTACK CYCLECRUZZA, PLEASE REMEMBER WE ARE ALL HUMAN AND WE ARE ALL ALLOWED TO MAKE A BIG MISTAKE NOW AND THEN!!!! AND THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT I’M CHALKING UP YOUR COLOSSAL ERROR TO IN THIS CASE. I’M STILL GOING TO FOLLOW YOU!!!!!! ONE TIP-(or piece of advice from a guy who was riding when rear mono shocks didn’t exist and remembers when they were new and is closing in on 50 years of riding)-ON REAL NEW MACHINES, IF THE FACTS DON’T JIVE WITH WHAT THEY SHOULD BE, RESERVE JUDGEMENT AND COMMENT UNTIL YOU HAVE TAKEN A LOT MORE TIME TO VERIFY NUMBERS OR YOU HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE!! Now admit your error, and get back on your bike and keep on cruising so I can follow the AWESOME CYCLE-CRUZZA who made an understandably human mistake. DUDE YOU STILL ROCK IN MY BOOK AND I LOVE YOUR YOUTH AND ENTHUSIASM!!! SO KEEP RIDING AND KEEP AND SHARING PLEASE! YOU DO AN EXCELLENT JOB SO I/WE’LL SPOT YOU THIS MISTAKE!!!!! PEACE AND HAPPY TRAILS.
OLD DOG
Better off with the wr250r or drz400. People were asking for a 450 dual sport WITH dual sport maintenance. Not this shit... Suzuki has a chance to update their drz with a 6speed and efi. May have to go back to the drawing board but they would steal the market!
Exactly! It may cost about 9k. Would you still buy it?
Fuck yea! It would definitely help my channel grow
I don't understand how KTM can make a 500 exc-f and japan can't? Probably because KTM sells less bikes, they must get an exemption..
CycleCruza who knows man. I might just say fuck it and get a wr and mod it like you lol
Collin Mac - Get a wr250r and mod it, trust me, it's a great bike. You wil ride more than wrench and it's ultra reliable with parts that are super easy to get. Even when I add a 2 stroke, I'm keeping my w250r which can do a little bit of everything. It's like having a swiss army knife of a motorcycle that will never let you down.
My KTM supermoto is reliable af! I got an old 2000 520sx that was 6 speed swapped and I made it street legal. She has never let me down! I've owned it for over ten years and I've never even done a top end rebuild on it! I even used to run it in the sand dunes/ sand drags with my off road/ sand tire setup. And the miles and miles and miles of wheelies that bike has seen on the street! Can't beat it!
DRZ is loling right now
7k vs 10k, I'm still set on the DRZ400SM just for that reason alone and it will be more than enough as my first bike.
Well it's not going to have 25 hp this guy is a idiot. But drz is shit to throw some slicks on on a real motobike. But yeah Suzuki is shit.
They're both good and far from being trash/shit but DRZ400SM is just better and still the king of supermoto/dualsport lol
Just don't buy a drz if you want to do highway- 5 gear problem solved lmao. Just wheelie it and smile on the back roads
PistnRods I have a 2017 DRZ 400 SM and I was considering trading it for this bike now I’m LOL Ing as well
Got your facts straight! The 25hp was a typo made by an European site.. Honda claims OVER 40hp, and they never list HP on their race bikes.. like this one.
Dude cmon maaaaan? Lol. The horsepower issue is wrong. That dude is not talking to Honda.
"Fake news" "turd"? Lol did you get that from me? Dude get a 500!
www.hondaprokevin.com/2019-honda-crf450l-review-specs-motorcycle-dual-sport
CycleCruza yeah. That guy is not Honda. He is quoting the European Honda Press release. We still don't have numbers for the North American version.
I have to take issue with your statement that the KTM is less reliable. As a KTM owner, I have found the bikes to be EXTREMELY reliable. I have not witnessed KTM riders not finish a race due to mechanical failure. The same can not be said about the Honda's, at least at my local tracks.
You're just better of picking up the old XR650L dual sport. All for the nice price of $6000.
No FI tho and a bit heavy.
Deep Verma they have a brand new one for $4900 where I live new old stock
Its tall as fuck too!
Collin Mac i had one and it was the best bike ever.... if you were 7 feet tall
where is one for $4900 ?? Thanks, William
It was a bike with great potential, a bike that was long in the making (looking at you Suzuki), a reliable, low maintenance, 450cc daul sport with FI, a 6-speed transmission, an weighing less than 300lbs, so news of its release was exciting, thus the previous video. However, with this update, it appears Honda made $10K gutter trash called a CRF450L, thus this update video. It's not called being Bi polar or flip flopping. It's just the nature of reporting on something new. Thank you CycleCruza.
If I had the information I have now, that first video would be this video. I'm just updating my viewers.
Damn I was hyped but after hearing those specs it sounds like trash
ManaChan Yeah it doesnt hold enough oil to be a dual sport
This is a 40+ hp very reliable well designed bike. I own a ktm 640 and considering a switch to the 450l.
My opinion this bike is craizy toooooooooooooo expensive !!!
especially with those shitty power specs.For $500 more you might as well get a KTM 500 exc-f that kills the crf450l in every way.
Thomas Taylor
And here we have another honda diehard fanboy :\, im sad to bring you the news but, it is way too expensive for what it is ...
See Honda knows people buying this bike don't want a motocross bike, they give you enough hp to get up the nastiest hill climb but not shred your rear tire when on pavement.
Guess I'll keep looking at DRZ400s on Craigslist
As I see it the 450L wasn't made to be ridden as an enduro/motocross bike its was made to be a reliable machine that can take you just about anywhere and if you are a good rider 25hp would definitely be enough to be able to ride single track as I said it wasn't made to race it was made to have fun on a weekend cruise.
ffs, as I said before. Get a KTM / HUSQVARNA it's just better in every way
Remus Gherase Beta...
RJ proved it, the 701sm that he had for 2 weeks shreded the street
Y because that's what u have so it must be the best? All 6 of my families bikes are honda and ktm.. They're on the same level... Plus there no way this bike has 25hp, the 450x has 45 and the same compression. Or just throw a bigger carb and exhaust on there and make it a street legal 450r with triple sealed piston for longevity..
Beta 500RRS Is the best deal on the planet period. Fully loaded 1year full warranty, awesome local and USA factory support, been in business the longest...did I mention ridability? Compare for yourself...out of the box nothing comes close, you have to spend big $ on mods to make them work as good as a stock Beta
Except long term reliability.
I have WR250r, FMF Q4, powerbomb, removed all crap, airbox open, 13/48.... it is AWESOME - exactly all I want and need in this bike. I change oil every 1000 - 2000 just because I love it and that is overkill..... this Honda looks like a miss- good vid this time you are right :) LOOOOOVE the channel!!
1 hp more then the 250l lol
Soichiro Honda is rolling over in his grave.
Id rather get the 250l. Yes its heavier but you het dual sport maintenance and i believe a slightly larger tank with better mpg at half the price lol
truth
The 25hp was a typo
I'm a huge honda fan but this guy is speaking truth, he didn't leave anything out
hey cycle cruza
WR250r's rule dude,,(thumbs up)
So far nothing is better, as far as super low maintenance and the ability to be able to do a little bit of everything and ultra reliable.
Only thing I’d say is better is the drz but if I remember right no fuel injection with those.
@Gerry Nicholas - Also, the DRZ only has 5 gears and is *25 lbs heavier* with not all that much more power and requires a little bit more maintenance compared to the wr250r, especially the carb maintenance.. WR250r valve check is at 26,500 miles vs DRZ400 at 18k miles. The Wr250r valves are known to NEVER go out of spec either, even at 50k miles.
Not enough hp and the engine is to small.
yep, I rev the snot out of my wr250x and all I do is fill gas and once a year oil change. I don't even check tire pressure or rad fluid beoz I know they're good
Why is this video still on you tube. This was wrong info?
I expect this bike to put out at least 45 hp. I do not believe the 25 hp at all.
I have a theory that some minor uncorking will bring this bike alive. The 250l has 20hp. I just can't imagine almost double the displacement would only be capable of 5 more horse. I just seriously doubt it but I could be totally wrong.
That bike is marketing & engineering genius for the manufacturer. It will generate residual income far beyond what it is worth; however in this business endeavor as a single paying customer it's best to heed the strategy, apply it to your business and let them find another sucker. Thanks for the tip Cruza.
A KTM 500 EXC-F requires pretty much a full engine overhaul at 135 hours. My buddy has one and showed me the owners manual. But that's why I'm gonna hang onto my little WR250R a little longer it's hard to beat.
Pretty sure the HP figure was misprinted. Seems like a crazy mistake though.
There is NO WAY Honda would even try to sell a bike that size, with that price tag, and basically NO POWER. Honda is way smarter than that. CycleCruza, you received some inaccurate info my friend.
The reason the bike has so little HP is because of European emission laws. You can take out the restriction of course, probably even somewhat legal in the states, but not doable in Europe
I own a 2017 ktm500 excf. You need to understand some basics of dyno numbers. The 63 hp claimed by KTM is a crank horsepower number on a non US bike with no reed cage and richer efi mapping. A stock US ktm500 excf makes approximately 40 horsepower, give or take 1 or 2, at the rear wheel. A stock crf450r is much stronger on top than a stock ktm500excf. Having said all that, I removed the reed cage in the intake, removed the perforated screen from the exhaust, and added a JD efi fuel tuner. The bike now makes about 50 rear wheel horsepower. The Honda will not have 24 horsepower. Don't be ridiculous. I hope I have educated you on dyno numbers.
I think this is a case where the very smart engineers at honda are saying "we've looked into it, and the 25 hp and 23.6 ft lbs is exactly prefect for non competition trail use on a bike this weight"
And honestly? They're probably right- this bike is probably fire off tarmac... You could almost justify it over the KTM if it's going to run like a Honda. But with those service intervals? No way
Those are not frequent service intervals for a bike that will be mostly dirt ridden. This is a dirt bike with plates. Regarding the weak HP: everybody is going to uncork the engine first thing which will drastically increase the HP. It IS going to be expensive which will have folks just going to other brands.
just like ktm's, honda has put restrictions in the airbox and give it a lean map so it can pass emissions. just remove restrictors and load full power map tu ecu. 40+ hp in 5 mins of work.
The 2018 CRF250L makes 24hp, I can guarantee that honda isn't making a 450 variant for 1 more horespower I expect the numbers to be around the 450x numbers. Coming from a DRZ owner this thing is going to have everything the DRZ has been lacking its entire life. Fuel injection, lighter weight, 6 gears and LED lights out of the box just to name a afew. Slap some street slicks on this thing and you'd have one badass supermoto.
As this may all we'll be true, Japanese bikes are regulated a lot more than European bikes such as metal gas tanks on KTM's where Honda's have to have metal gas tanks. European bikes are also exempt to other US regulations. Also are KTM's 49 or 50 state legal cause I'm not sure on that without looking it up. For the Honda, with a little work done like off-road exhaust, cut out airbox, reset the ECU, and throttle stop removal, you would have a really strong machine. Now I understand many people will argue this by saying they live in states or counties which require vehicle inspections so they can't "red sticker" their bikes. I understand in some places that's a problem, but up here in North Georgia where I live we don't have that problem so we can modify to our hearts content. It sucks to be under those regulations and if that affects you then definitely buy the KTM but if not and you're a huge Honda fan, buy the Honda and make into the kick-ass bike it deserves to be. That's all for today folks, I'll see y'all next time!
Wait until it's been out and tested independently before calling it trash. It's said the actual HP number is around 45 but we will see soon once they start hitting the streets.
hey I hope so! I meant trash as in a bad deal, not literally trash.
I got my info from Pro Honda Kevin who has worked at Honda as a Sales Manager for years and is respected within the motorcycle community, he is the one who posted the numbers: www.hondaprokevin.com/2019-honda-crf450l-review-specs-motorcycle-dual-sport
Just keep on doing those videos and do what u do. It’s fun. Bottom line: u r the first video I watch on a daily basis, so let’s go for a ride... cheers
Torque and horsepower isn't always the deciding factor for everyone. To each his own
You're wrong. KTM, Husqavarna, and Maico all have street legal dirt bikes. 2stroke and 4stroke. And yes 2stroke is legal for street use here in U.S. . the Maico 685 enduro is a 2stroke U.S. steel legal dirt bike in all 50 states because it meets Euro 4 emissions standards. The best part is it has 86 horse ponies and can do 120mph on the street. Has tons of low end torque and flywheel for trail riding. Electric start or kick. Comes with turn signals, brake and high/low beam head lights. Mirrors sold separately. The 2018 Maico 685 enduro is the most powerful street legal dirt bike on the market at this time. You can have one shipped to you from Germany for around $11,000. Plus could you imagine the dirty looks you'd get from all the prius drivers out there when you role up next to them on a 2stroke scream'n demon. Bet you can't show me a better enduro.
Honda has made a comment on the 25 hp rumors. They said expect the hp to be in the mid 40s. So definitely not in the 20s.
First thing you do is uncork it. My XR650R was a dog until I uncorked, and then it ripped. It cost nothing to uncork. Then you can decide if it has what you need. I do think the price needs to be 9K to really sell it over its competition.
Well said CylceCruza.... I live in CA and I was so excited about buying this bike... its impossible to Plate a NEW dirt bike here... but the KTM is the way to go... I will see what Yamaha and Kawasaki has to offer
There is simply NO WAY a bike making only 25hp is going to require 600 mile oil changes. The data is wrong.
Hey from the future here. This bike turns out is pretty sick. And has more than 25hp.
This clip shows how a typo on a website can become the norm. A CRF 250L has 24hp. So it's obvious the 25hp announcement is a typo. ;-)
I bought a like new 2013 XR650L with 1,300 miles on it 2 months ago perfect bike I have two big Cruisers in my garage they sort of just sit there now on a trickle charger LOL that 650l makes me smile every time I pull the sheet off of it and take her for a run
I'm not a dirt bike guy, but I enjoyed this video. I like your point of view and thorough review.
Thanks!
I wonder how they got it lighter than the 250l. That being said with a few changes the 250l won't be too far from the power of the 450.
Well it's the crf450x dirt bike engine BUT they totally neutered the bike.
The EU and AUS models come very restricted. Swap out the ECU and air intake restrictions and you can't keep the front wheel down on the road.
Wait for the second generation of this bike.
Also the inspection intervals are a pain in the ass at those KTM, what comes on top of this is that the modern EXC 4-strokes are pretty much done after 140 hours of running without an complete rebuild...Those bikes are made for profit where for example my 2011 Husaberg FE 390 runs after 400 hours of riding just as new. And this bike has never seen more the a valve check and fresh engine oil. I can't say if the Honda takes more hours than the KTM but if it does it would be my way to go!
I don't believe for a second that the horsepower on this bike will be less than 40. No way.
It's hard to believe but pro Honda Kevin says his info was straight from Honda. He has dealings with Honda.
www.hondaprokevin.com/2019-honda-crf450l-review-specs-motorcycle-dual-sport
CycleCruza
If true, that is quite a failure. I dud hear that the Euro version with more strict emissions limitations would take a hit to power, but that the US version would surpass 40hp.
On another note, it's a shame the wr250r is discontinued. I wanted one for years and planned to get one if I get back to the ussa. Too late now.
Dude I just want a Dual Sport in this class. I've got my KLR650 but I cant ride very technical with that.
A Honda dealer in Europe accidentally posted the stats for a crf250l that's why it said it only has 25 hp
I have the 2017 KTM 500exc, Plenty of "Usable" Power,,,,,, stock! No Motor mods needed, including the exhaust. It did get a skid plate and better seat, not very comfortable long distance, but, offroad, it will do anything and go anywhere. Happy with purchase. $10,500 otd in Phoenix Az.
Source? I have my doubts you could even make a 450 produce 25hp and even have it run properly. Its a modern race derived engine that still has near race maintence. Even with EPA compliance I cant see this bike making any less then 45hp.
This was VERIFIED from HONDA :www.hondaprokevin.com/2019-honda-crf450l-review-specs-motorcycle-dual-sport
From his blog: "Quite a few people have expressed concern on multiple forums, comment section below and on social media etc that the CRF450L’s horsepower rating on this page is a typo or incorrect. *The horsepower rating below is not a typo on my end. The 2019 CRF450L horsepower and torque numbers are directly from Honda* Thanks as always for the feedback though guys, you keep me on my toes when it comes to information like this and at times I do make mistakes so having thousands of extra eyes on the information can be helpful."
CycleCruza Thats not verified, thats just some dude with a blog spouting shit. If this number was verified it would be all over the place. Im sorry cycle cruza but this is fake news.
Jarrod Mahon yea, he is wrong on this one. my grom is a 125, with 16hp. with just a minor upgrade but still a 125 cc. I sell Hondas for a living, and I can tell you his info is reported wrong.
I don’t think that’s right. 25hp? I hope you’re wrong I got really excited for it.
That HP restriction is, as you mentioned due to emissions standards that Honda want to meet in the US AND! europe.
Ill bet you can unplug it an get similar power to motocross version that it is based on. Like with all other enduro bikes from that are sold in europe with street legal 10-15 HP to meet emissions standards.
Most of the times ist only: Throttle restriction, closed air box, sometimes a mapping
>2x HP done.
Of course it wont be street legal as the stock EXC 500 or any other unrestricted enduro/MX bike would be.
Cheers
That HP rating is for the EU where emissions are alot stricter not for North America!!!!
Well... back to building our own again LOL.
Maybe I missed it but it seems that you forgot to consider torque. It would be more fair to compare this bike to a stock WR250r, crf250L, and DR-Z400S. European enduros/dual sports are in a completely different class. Come take your WR250 to Florida, we have some gnarly trails now that everything is wet. That would be a pretty cool video.
Uncorking the emissions and ecu flashing the bike will do more than you’d think.
I own a 2018 fe 501 and it comes out the box with 30 hp. U need all the fuel kit fmf pipe and emisions delet to get any where near 60hp
HONDA POSTED THE WRONG INFO
Representatives of honda said that Europe's CRF250 horsepower and torque were posted on accident. The horsepower is in the mid 40s