with the etap in the blink of an eye you perform both front and rear shift. I don't feel that's a problem at all, and that's coming from mechanical Red experience which I shift front and rear same time.
Peter Kreishman to be in the optimal cadence for a longterm increase in pedaling output. What goals, other than adding a significantly higher price tag for SRAM/ Campy/ Shimano does electronic shifting achieve?
But surely Eddy Merckx did just fine cadence-wise with 5-speed cassettes. And what about integrated levers? Disc brakes? Who needs those? The history of cycling is riddled with things that were met with animosity when they first came out. The fact that you ride a bike with integrated shifters and brake levers that has 10 speeds in the rear is all the evidence you need that things that were once poo-pooed as unnecessary are now considered essential.
Peter Kreishman Eddy mashing gears al lower RPM while a less naturally gifted competitor blew past him at 100+ revs would have spelled the end of Eddy's old ways. Integrated brake levers make for quicker reactions that might be the difference in a photo finish 50 meters down the road. Disk brakes are safer as long as they work on a mountain descent. Point being each technology is either an asset to performance and safety or maybe it's just a revenue consideration. Objectively what is the benefit of electronics? This has been pushed since the early 90's with Mavic to name one, all other cycling advancements were embraced quickly. I tend to think that if a technology is greatly needed the market will make it a reality in short order.
His pedaling style has nothing to do with the number of gears. Electronic shifting is more precise, more reliable, simpler, and requires less fiddling. But you haven't answered the question: why don't you stick to 7 speeds and down tube shifters?
Who exactly is the target market for things like this?! I mean, it's a friggin' derailleur. Simplest brute force machine ever. You only need to understand what a parallelogram is to figure out how it works. Why are we complicating this with batteries and motors?! Not only am I going to stick to mechanical, cabled derailleurs, but this video has convinced me that it's time to go back to bar-end and stem shifters.
I work on computers for a living and even I hate the thought of this becoming the norm. I prefer mechanical over digital without a doubt. Nobody can hack a piece of machinery, and there's no circuitry that will fry if 1 drop of water hits it.
Nice. I enjoyed Di-2 when I had it on my bike a couple years ago. But now a totally wireless system? Man, the possibilities for that is a lot higher. Never been a SRAM user, but if I have the money to do so, I may look into their tech in a year or two.
Once again Sram comes out with better ergonomics than shimano. Love the approach to shifting one lever up one lever down, pretty much eliminates miss shifts on bumpy roads. I still think electronic shifting is a solution to a problem that didn't exist but if you are going to do it this is the way. Don't like the cost, but this is a problem with all electronics, one crash and you could be out a huge chunk of cash.
+Krishna A It does but not enough, manufacturers just release "new" versions that are basically the same, just to artificially keep prices up. Just look at the more "affordable" Ultegra Di2, a rear derailleur is $200+ the mechanical is $54.
Despite the hype by different media outlets, there are problems with the SRAM design. You need to charge 2 batteries instead of just 1 for Shimano Di2. Also, the batteries are located externally and are prone to pranks or something lodging them loose. The internal battery on Di2 is a lot better IMHO. Some people like the way SRAM shifts, but it's just a different style and doesn't make it better or more intuitive.
1:48 "If you push the right lever […] you get a down shift. If you push the left lever you'll get an upshift." Is this accurate? Everyone else is reporting that the right lever is for upshifts and the left lever is for downshifts and that the system can't be reconfigured to operate in any other way.
+Catcrumbs As in number, not direction of chain moving. The 28 tooth is the number 1 gear. So changing from 8 to for you are moving chain up but down in sequence of gears.
+Catcrumbs Gear 1 is the biggest closest to the spokes. If on the first gear, the chain can only move down but you don't say shift down, you say shift up because you are moving up in numbers name to 2, 3, 5, 8 etc. Biggest gear front together with smallest gear back is the highest you can go namely 22. For front it is more confusing. There you will be moving the chain up while you are actually shifting up in gears as well because you go from 11 (11 at back and 1st front) to 12 (1 back and 2nd front).
I figured it out why we need these electronic groupsets because its far easier to manufacture the high end carbon fiber bikes without the internal cables I figured it out watching another video about the internal cables
Dealer I just put a deposit on a Di2 bike told they're having dramas setting up SRAM eg 2019 SRAM Synapse. Plus limit of number of gears. Schimano more than adequate.
I rode with a guy who had one yesterday. No cables seems OK in one way, such as no need to replace those. Its definitely something nice to have if you are willing to spend the money
Not with the road-style hoods/ levers but there's no reason they couldn't release mtb-specific shifters - look at Shimano XTR Di2. An mtb's rear derailleur is pretty vulnerable to damage though so they might have to look at transferring the "brain" to the front mech (assuming there is one) where it'd be a bit more protected.
+Aaron Coghlan The system uses accelerometers to know when the bike is not moving and turns the power off, then wakes up when movement is detected. Also unlike seatpost mounted batteries these can be quickly taken off, or swapped out and they only take 45min to recharge. Also unlike Di2 or EPS not having a single central power source means one dead battery will not take down the entire system. If your rear derailleur battery goes dead you can swap it out with the front derailleur battery and keep going.
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I like that they are trying new technology ideas...
It's a cool idea for shifting but whenever I do a front shift I simultaneously shift a few gears on the back. Easy to do with Di2.
+Ben Dawson That was my first thought too, they've fixed a problem that didn't need fixing and in the process created a new one.
with the etap in the blink of an eye you perform both front and rear shift. I don't feel that's a problem at all, and that's coming from mechanical Red experience which I shift front and rear same time.
Why do we need electronic shifters again? I'm using a Campy carbon 10 speed groupset from 11 years ago. Shifts like butter.
Why do you need 10 speeds?
Peter Kreishman to be in the optimal cadence for a longterm increase in pedaling output. What goals, other than adding a significantly higher price tag for SRAM/ Campy/ Shimano does electronic shifting achieve?
But surely Eddy Merckx did just fine cadence-wise with 5-speed cassettes. And what about integrated levers? Disc brakes? Who needs those? The history of cycling is riddled with things that were met with animosity when they first came out. The fact that you ride a bike with integrated shifters and brake levers that has 10 speeds in the rear is all the evidence you need that things that were once poo-pooed as unnecessary are now considered essential.
Peter Kreishman Eddy mashing gears al lower RPM while a less naturally gifted competitor blew past him at 100+ revs would have spelled the end of Eddy's old ways.
Integrated brake levers make for quicker reactions that might be the difference in a photo finish 50 meters down the road. Disk brakes are safer as long as they work on a mountain descent. Point being each technology is either an asset to performance and safety or maybe it's just a revenue consideration. Objectively what is the benefit of electronics? This has been pushed since the early 90's with Mavic to name one, all other cycling advancements were embraced quickly. I tend to think that if a technology is greatly needed the market will make it a reality in short order.
His pedaling style has nothing to do with the number of gears. Electronic shifting is more precise, more reliable, simpler, and requires less fiddling. But you haven't answered the question: why don't you stick to 7 speeds and down tube shifters?
Who exactly is the target market for things like this?! I mean, it's a friggin' derailleur. Simplest brute force machine ever. You only need to understand what a parallelogram is to figure out how it works. Why are we complicating this with batteries and motors?! Not only am I going to stick to mechanical, cabled derailleurs, but this video has convinced me that it's time to go back to bar-end and stem shifters.
I work on computers for a living and even I hate the thought of this becoming the norm. I prefer mechanical over digital without a doubt. Nobody can hack a piece of machinery, and there's no circuitry that will fry if 1 drop of water hits it.
Nice. I enjoyed Di-2 when I had it on my bike a couple years ago. But now a totally wireless system? Man, the possibilities for that is a lot higher. Never been a SRAM user, but if I have the money to do so, I may look into their tech in a year or two.
How exactly is this better than mechanical shifting? You still have to shift the front and rear manually.
I'm looking for MTB electronic group set excluding FSA K-Force we , Shimano di2. Is there the MTB group set like that on Sram?
Once again Sram comes out with better ergonomics than shimano. Love the approach to shifting one lever up one lever down, pretty much eliminates miss shifts on bumpy roads. I still think electronic shifting is a solution to a problem that didn't exist but if you are going to do it this is the way. Don't like the cost, but this is a problem with all electronics, one crash and you could be out a huge chunk of cash.
+paradox963 but electronics get cheaper with time.i would wait a couple of years before buying them.
+Krishna A It does but not enough, manufacturers just release "new" versions that are basically the same, just to artificially keep prices up. Just look at the more "affordable" Ultegra Di2, a rear derailleur is $200+ the mechanical is $54.
This presenter looks like the average fast food eating American, I like that.
GCN did a better cover story.
hopefully they bring it to the mtb market.
could I fit the group set to an older bike
Despite the hype by different media outlets, there are problems with the SRAM design. You need to charge 2 batteries instead of just 1 for Shimano Di2. Also, the batteries are located externally and are prone to pranks or something lodging them loose. The internal battery on Di2 is a lot better IMHO. Some people like the way SRAM shifts, but it's just a different style and doesn't make it better or more intuitive.
7:59 they alreay have. The Rear derailleur has ANT+ too.
When tech-love becomes more important then cycling....
1:48 "If you push the right lever […] you get a down shift. If you push the left lever you'll get an upshift." Is this accurate? Everyone else is reporting that the right lever is for upshifts and the left lever is for downshifts and that the system can't be reconfigured to operate in any other way.
+Catcrumbs As in number, not direction of chain moving. The 28 tooth is the number 1 gear. So changing from 8 to for you are moving chain up but down in sequence of gears.
Andre van Wyk
I'm not sure I fully understand what you're trying to convey, but every shift away from gear '1' (the lowest) is an upshift.
+Catcrumbs Gear 1 is the biggest closest to the spokes. If on the first gear, the chain can only move down but you don't say shift down, you say shift up because you are moving up in numbers name to 2, 3, 5, 8 etc. Biggest gear front together with smallest gear back is the highest you can go namely 22. For front it is more confusing. There you will be moving the chain up while you are actually shifting up in gears as well because you go from 11 (11 at back and 1st front) to 12 (1 back and 2nd front).
Andre van Wyk
I understand that already. I'm trying to figure out if BikeRadar does or not.
can we get subtitles? I can't understand mumbles..
Love the music, my girlfriend is dancing to it. While cooking. So when on mtb version that will work with xx1 eagle.
0:44 my dreambike.....without the spacers.
Awesome!
Hopefuly it will work in MTB and prices wont be too high or will drop after a time.
+Pienimusta the groupset price will be approx. 1600$
I figured it out why we need these electronic groupsets because its far easier to manufacture the high end carbon fiber bikes without the internal cables I figured it out watching another video about the internal cables
Why do all of these guys on BikeRadar just mumble?!??! PROJECT YOUR VOICE for fucks sake.
yup
I think they have included ANT+ so it can talk to a Garmin.
you have it backwards. right lever UPSHIFTS to a harder gear, left lever DOWNSHIFTS to an easier gear!
Is that 1000 km per charge??!!
+Ades No, you have to replace the whole system.
+widssss Aint nobody got time for that!
I guess now they need to develop "eBrake" next...
7:53 what a sexy crankset hnggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
Dealer I just put a deposit on a Di2 bike told they're having dramas setting up SRAM eg 2019 SRAM Synapse. Plus limit of number of gears. Schimano more than adequate.
sram in polish mean "taking shit"
+KingLuseer polish in English mean "make shiny"
5:07 - how TF is that bike standing up?
+Alexander Shearn Photoshop maybe? LOL
You can't shift both front rear deraileurs at the same time...fail
@4:00 she could really use a bike fit
N E E D S _ A _ S O L A R _ C E L L
hahahaha! what happens when you and your buddy both have the same groupset and are shifting each others gears?!
R to the E to the D...
good thing about the release of etap, is the price drop of sram red 22 mech
WHY would i want to pay £2000 when you can get shimano ultegra groupset for £499?????? It won't work any better, and you need batterys..
Paul Kelly it will definitely work better,also it won't have 4 trim positions like shitmano does
Nothing stops you to keep riding the ultegra, but it definitely works a lot better than my mechanical Red.
I rode with a guy who had one yesterday. No cables seems OK in one way, such as no need to replace those.
Its definitely something nice to have if you are willing to spend the money
do you want another cream cake?
This type of shifter would never work on a mountainbike.
Not with the road-style hoods/ levers but there's no reason they couldn't release mtb-specific shifters - look at Shimano XTR Di2. An mtb's rear derailleur is pretty vulnerable to damage though so they might have to look at transferring the "brain" to the front mech (assuming there is one) where it'd be a bit more protected.
Nice, but I can't imagine using such a thing on a mountain bike. To expensive, too fragile.
600 bucks for a SHIFTER? Give me break. I'd rather buy my wife or my son a new BIKE for that amount of money.
+Garfie1d73 $600!!!! I can buy myself a brand new pair of shoes... ( I buy really expensive shoes, don't judge me, my wife is not happy either ).
I can see it now , 100 miles from nowhere and this thing breaks down...no thanks.
1000km range is terrible and will be the downfall of SRAM's groupset. p.s. EPS can be shut off with a magnetic band so ot won't go flat in idle.
+Aaron Coghlan The system uses accelerometers to know when the bike is not moving and turns the power off, then wakes up when movement is detected. Also unlike seatpost mounted batteries these can be quickly taken off, or swapped out and they only take 45min to recharge. Also unlike Di2 or EPS not having a single central power source means one dead battery will not take down the entire system. If your rear derailleur battery goes dead you can swap it out with the front derailleur battery and keep going.
1000km range? NOOOOOOOOOOO thanks
+1 mec viens sur ma chaine
Innovation is good but no need for this. Wired all the way. That must be a pain having to charge the battery.
Meh.
Yeah first comment
Robby White lol