I can't say anything bad about my Sony 100-400mm, it's an awesome lens and definitely a bit sharper and faster then the Sony 200-600mm. You must have received a bad copy, can't understand why you're not in love with it. I used it in December/January in Namibia and Southafrica and was extremely happy with the results of the combo Sony A9ii and 100-400mm. Of course it's not on the same level as my Sony 135mm or my 600mm F4, but it's definitely better then the 200-600mm.
Sorry but as an owner of both and halving tested multiple copies of both the 100-400GM vs. the 200-600G, the 200-600G was sharper at the long end (400mm vs. 600mm). See Marc adalhof’s review of best lenses for Sony A7RIV (purpose was to test resolving power)... the 200-600G scored excellent where to 100-400GM only reached very good. Of course the 600GM reached outstanding but you will pay a pretty penny for that lense!
An amazing camera certainly the flagship of Sony cameras. I have been able to capture some great wildlife shots. A9 a bargain if you are ok with the smaller buttons. I must get the 135. The 100-400 is great but the 200-600 has taken over for my wildlife. Great shots with Terrance and the 135. A very good over view thanks for sharing
any pointers as to why the A9II EVF would show so many artifacts ( purple blue moire ) and has so little resolution especially while half pressing the shutter ?
@@TECH360TV well it's moire that what it is in fact ... it's just annoying as hell to see when you try to focus on a bird or anything else in a tree ( I looked for a quality setting but nothing ... )
Actually a9ii 20FPS is class leading because you get that without mechanical shutter through the viewfinder and not the rear LCD like the canon 1dxmiii. A9ii was built to use with electronic shutter... it has zero rolling shutter, zero blackout. Still the best
TECH360.TV understood but the A9/ii was built to shoot fully silent electronic shutter due to zero blackout and no rolling shutter. Mechanical is rarely needed especially since they’ve added the new anti Flickr option via firmware. Good review otherwise
I have compared photos between the A9 and A9II and the A9II seems to have sharper IQ. I'm not sure if this is a result of a new processing engine or maybe the AA filter has been removed or weakened as on the A7III. Do you have any further information on this?
Interesting I see the same...A9ii images are very crisp (and yes I shoot RAW only). Matter of fact having previously owned the A7RIV, at pixel level sharpness seems same. They must have done some tweaking with this sensor or onboard processing.
Great video, loved it! Yet I have two unrelated questions. Did you change the way you shoot/edit videos? The colors look incredible! Also, Bobby I love your glasses, what is the brand/model? It looks dope!
Nice review and some great shots too. Gotta say though - I own the 100-400GM and from the sample shots you got that's nowhere near what that lens is capable of producing. Hopefully you'll get to try another copy at some stage... but as you mention during the video that one is probably a bit banged up and faulty.
Awesome video, thank you! Do you think this camera is a good choice for portrait/ lifestyle photography? I'm in dark houses for newborn sessions often. I am switching from Nikon D4S and would probably purchase the 35mm 1.4 to go with whatever mirrorless camera I end up buying. Thank you!
Hi. Great video. I m amateur wildlife photographer and some times its difficult stay close the animals. I have two questions please. 1. What yours opinion about imagine quality ? 2. When cropping the image continuos a good image? Thanks and best regards
Awesome review! Though wayyy out of my league 😅. Have the photos that you've showcased here been edited in any way? Were they shot in raw? I do photography as a hobby but I've been struggling to be inspired lately because the photos coming out of my Olympus EM5 just seem 'flat' or without character. It's hard to describe but I'm at a point where I feel my phone takes better photos than my camera. Is it normal to do post processing very very often after shooting? Unfortunately I don't have the time, resources or even storage to post process properly so I really wish I could get stunning shots, as good, if not better than what my phone can give me. Any advice on this? Thank you!
Thanks for watching. Yes the photos were edited. I shoot in raw so they come out of camera with a flatter profile. Most images need some sort of edit to get the colors or details to pop. Yes it can be time consuming but that’s usually what is needed. Perhaps you can try and learn a bit. I’ll prob be doing a video in the near future to show how I edit etc.
Thanks! To be honest I only know of a few situations that shoot more than 30 min continuously and those type of productions won’t use small mirrorless cameras for those projects.
Thanks for the video!! Wondering...why would you use an ND filter outdoors with the 135 rather than just increase the SS, what is the advantage/difference?
You can play with the shutter speed but I was maxed out and it was still bright. Again I can crop exposure a bit but if I want some motion blur In the shot I would use an ND filter.
No lenses were damaged in filming this review 😊 if I was going on a long excursion to take photos with these zoom lenses I would use your method, however there isn’t many places to go when many businesses weren’t open at the time of this filming.
Great video! I was really looking forward to your take on the A9II. I was also slightly disappointed to see that a camera of this calibre doesn´t get the highest EVF on the market (like the A7RIV, SL2, S1, S1R, S1H, GFX100). For the money you´re paying for this camera and the intended use, it doesn´t make sense to me that it doesn´t have it, especially when a 'cheaper' camera made also by Sony like the A7RIV has it. Other than that, I´m sure it´s a beast. Take care and keep up the good work!
The A9 II comes with a blackout free EVF at 20fps. Especially the blackout free EVF is the reason for a lower resolution EVF, otherwise this would be an issue with current data processing of the A9 II. The A7R4 does not have a blackout free EVF and it is also much, much slower - so the resolution of the EVF can be higher.
Funny I got rid of my A7riv for the A9ii. Best decision ever. Why? I shoot wildlife and the A7RIV sensor readout speed is too slow, too much EVF lag. The blackout and lag on the A7riv make it awful for fast wildlife. The A9/ii absolutely kills the A7RIV for anything moving. Paper specs mean nothing..,it’s what the tool can do in the field and the A9 series is still unbeatable for wildlife or sports....and I will tell you the image quality is much much cleaner than the noisy mess the A7RIV creates above ISO 3200. For the record, sensor readout speed on the A7riv is only 1/10s... vs. the A9 at 1/160s! That a huge difference. If you don’t know what this can do for your photography you probably don’t need an A9 anyway. I’d rather have a clean, 24mpx shot in perfect focus than a blurry mess that appears in focus until you zoom in and see focus was missed.
madmaxx72 You should not generalize your needs on others. Wildlife is not wildlife. Clear thing, for BIF and fast moving Wildlife and also at bad light, the Sony A9 II is best. But for all the rest the Sony A7R4 is a great tool due to its cropping capabilities which is superior to the A9 II. I know because I use both cameras on Sony 400mm 2.8 GM and Sony 600mm 4.0 GM for bird photography and mammal photography. Using both together makes the Sony system a perfect system for Wildlife.
@@Stefan1968ful I owned the A7RIV and shot with it almost daily since its release. Its NOT an action camera. For the A7RIV to shine you will need the 600GM and thats a not a cheap lense (even with this lens do not expect A9 levels of performance). I am not generalizing my opinions onto others...its a fact the A7RIV has serious focus issues. Simple fact is I and many prefer an A9ii for wildlife in general (includes BIF as well as many other type of wildlife) because the A9ii simply has much much faster focus acquisition and constant AF precision hence the 60 AF calculations per second! This nets me WAY more keepers than the A7RIV ever could! That alone is enough reason to dump the A7RIV. Until you have shot with both cameras for at least a fee weeks in the field you will not understand what I am referring to here .
You should try using iso 640 instead of say iso 200. On my a9 the noise on iso 640 is significantly less than on iso 200. Idk if it’s true for the a9ii but doesn’t hurt to try.
Excellent video Bobby! Wish Nikon made a 135m 1.8 & a 105m 1.8 or 1.4! I love watching your videos, I started watching Jared Polin, but he hates on companies too much and just seems like an angry old dude. I soot nikon, but I love sony products and this looks like an amazing sports camera with fantastic AF. I have large hands like u and the Sony bodies always felt uncomfortably small.. I really like how u can use that sony grip on multiple Sony cameras, when nikon makes a grip its usually just for a specific camera and that stinjs.
I shot a lot of music festivals with my old Canon 24-105mm L series, it was only f/4 but got the job done. Something in that focal range would be good.
My S100-400 is bitingly sharp, in fact when I view the images on my monitor I swear they were taken with a 400 prime. Definitely something wrong with the 1-4 you were using.
I had purchased the A7RIV with 200600G...there is a big problem with that combo (AF inconsistency, back focusing issues) . About to swap my A7RIV flr A9ii. Extra megapixels aren't worth it unless you can afford to mount a 600F4 GM. If you cant, A9 series all the way
Done... A7RIV is sold. Got an A9ii and it just destroys the A7RIV from an AF perspective. Image quality to me is every bit as good but cleaner...better high ISO handling. I’m done with the R series...too slow for my use. I can shoot anything with the A9ii and get fantastic results!
The A7RIV EVF would introduce way too much lag for any fast subjects. I own the A7RIV and have decided to unload it...too slow overall for birding. It's AF system was overhyped. Its nowhere near an A9 or A9ii.
I personally think most of these photos didnt do justice to this powerful camera like in 5:32. Cheaper cameras can do much better than this crap photo.
Good comparison, but the colors are not pleasing at all! There is no such tonality nor boldness of color. I think there is a serious problem in the blue color and its shades. Blue as an obvious example, because I know the exact color of both the T shirt and the motorcycle.
No. I wouldn't be able to stand him speaking like molasses, he's not speaking fast, he's speaking natively. You can use RUclips's video speed feature to help you.
wow you did not rate one of the best sony lens out there 100-400 but raved about the 200-600 which is not as good, first watch of one of your vids will avoid sorry dont rate you
@@TECH360TV I stopped watching it my thought was if he is so wrong on the 100-400 not really going to watch the whole video. Sorry but there are so many doing what you do on here I want the info i get to be right. Good luck in the future
Understand but in all fairness not nice to comment on something if you haven’t watched the video in it’s entirety. The Lightroom portion explains a lot and I was fair with the lens based on that.
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Spend all my money and live on the streets BUT have some amazing photos? Worth it.
Lol!!
I am a pro sports photographer and the A9II with the 135 mm F1.8 GM is my go to setup.
I can't say anything bad about my Sony 100-400mm, it's an awesome lens and definitely a bit sharper and faster then the Sony 200-600mm. You must have received a bad copy, can't understand why you're not in love with it. I used it in December/January in Namibia and Southafrica and was extremely happy with the results of the combo Sony A9ii and 100-400mm. Of course it's not on the same level as my Sony 135mm or my 600mm F4, but it's definitely better then the 200-600mm.
Yeah I mentioned that later in the review when looking at pics in Lightroom. The copy I got was bad. At 400mm the subject was very soft
Sorry but as an owner of both and halving tested multiple copies of both the 100-400GM vs. the 200-600G, the 200-600G was sharper at the long end (400mm vs. 600mm). See Marc adalhof’s review of best lenses for Sony A7RIV (purpose was to test resolving power)... the 200-600G scored excellent where to 100-400GM only reached very good. Of course the 600GM reached outstanding but you will pay a pretty penny for that lense!
An amazing camera certainly the flagship of Sony cameras. I have been able to capture some great wildlife shots. A9 a bargain if you are ok with the smaller buttons. I must get the 135. The 100-400 is great but the 200-600 has taken over for my wildlife. Great shots with Terrance and the 135. A very good over view thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching. Yes the A9 is a great buy especially now.
That 135 1.8 GM... My God. What a beaut.
Oh yes it is
any pointers as to why the A9II EVF would show so many artifacts ( purple blue moire ) and has so little resolution especially while half pressing the shutter ?
May be due to its high-resolution sensor interacting with fine patterns. These artifacts typically don’t affect the final image captured.
@@TECH360TV well it's moire that what it is in fact ... it's just annoying as hell to see when you try to focus on a bird or anything else in a tree ( I looked for a quality setting but nothing ... )
Actually a9ii 20FPS is class leading because you get that without mechanical shutter through the viewfinder and not the rear LCD like the canon 1dxmiii. A9ii was built to use with electronic shutter... it has zero rolling shutter, zero blackout. Still the best
A bit of confusion. I was referring to mechanical shutter.
TECH360.TV understood but the A9/ii was built to shoot fully silent electronic shutter due to zero blackout and no rolling shutter. Mechanical is rarely needed especially since they’ve added the new anti Flickr option via firmware. Good review otherwise
Can the Camera also Record RUclips videoes?
Nice one Bobby. Another great review :)
Thanks! Much appreciated
I have compared photos between the A9 and A9II and the A9II seems to have sharper IQ. I'm not sure if this is a result of a new processing engine or maybe the AA filter has been removed or weakened as on the A7III. Do you have any further information on this?
Interesting I see the same...A9ii images are very crisp (and yes I shoot RAW only). Matter of fact having previously owned the A7RIV, at pixel level sharpness seems same. They must have done some tweaking with this sensor or onboard processing.
Great video, loved it! Yet I have two unrelated questions. Did you change the way you shoot/edit videos? The colors look incredible! Also, Bobby I love your glasses, what is the brand/model? It looks dope!
Hi! Yes we have tweaked some things. Thanks for noticing.
Those are Oakleys actually
Nice review and some great shots too. Gotta say though - I own the 100-400GM and from the sample shots you got that's nowhere near what that lens is capable of producing. Hopefully you'll get to try another copy at some stage... but as you mention during the video that one is probably a bit banged up and faulty.
Yes hope to get a better copy to try in the future.
Great review! But I was wondering, this video itself (e.g. 1:21 ) was shot in which camera?
Very nice. That's fast editing and uploading.
Yeah we are getting better
Awesome video, thank you! Do you think this camera is a good choice for portrait/ lifestyle photography? I'm in dark houses for newborn sessions often. I am switching from Nikon D4S and would probably purchase the 35mm 1.4 to go with whatever mirrorless camera I end up buying. Thank you!
Which Sony camera would you suggest for landscape, portrait, wildlife, low light, sports, and video taping hunting trips ?
This one. It was designed for all this in mind
Hi. Great video. I m amateur wildlife photographer and some times its difficult stay close the animals. I have two questions please.
1. What yours opinion about imagine quality ?
2. When cropping the image continuos a good image?
Thanks and best regards
Awesome review! Though wayyy out of my league 😅. Have the photos that you've showcased here been edited in any way? Were they shot in raw? I do photography as a hobby but I've been struggling to be inspired lately because the photos coming out of my Olympus EM5 just seem 'flat' or without character. It's hard to describe but I'm at a point where I feel my phone takes better photos than my camera. Is it normal to do post processing very very often after shooting? Unfortunately I don't have the time, resources or even storage to post process properly so I really wish I could get stunning shots, as good, if not better than what my phone can give me. Any advice on this? Thank you!
Thanks for watching. Yes the photos were edited. I shoot in raw so they come out of camera with a flatter profile. Most images need some sort of edit to get the colors or details to pop. Yes it can be time consuming but that’s usually what is needed. Perhaps you can try and learn a bit. I’ll prob be doing a video in the near future to show how I edit etc.
@@TECH360TV really appreciate the reply, will be looking forward to that video!!
Really enjoyable review! Keep it up!
Very nice review! By any chance, could you check if the A9II still has the 30 minute video recording limit? Thank you!
Thanks! To be honest I only know of a few situations that shoot more than 30 min continuously and those type of productions won’t use small mirrorless cameras for those projects.
I think since a7riv sony has removed the recording limit from the newer models.
Thanks for the video!! Wondering...why would you use an ND filter outdoors with the 135 rather than just increase the SS, what is the advantage/difference?
You can play with the shutter speed but I was maxed out and it was still bright. Again I can crop exposure a bit but if I want some motion blur In the shot I would use an ND filter.
@@TECH360TV Gotcha...thank you!
TECH360.TV wow you maxed out the 1/32000 shutter speed on th A9ii with electronic shutter?
Which camera strap are you using?
Peak design
@@TECH360TV Thanks
which camera u used for making this video??
Sony a6400
finally a different video thank u all the other one are about the same ,happy Thanksgiving
Now please find time to cover the M10-R bro. You know you love them rangefinders...😎
Working on it
Hope the lens mount is ok after all that heavy lens swinging !
Indeed. And also the strap attached to the body while there is a possibility to attach it to the lens.
No lenses were damaged in filming this review 😊 if I was going on a long excursion to take photos with these zoom lenses I would use your method, however there isn’t many places to go when many businesses weren’t open at the time of this filming.
Nice glasses mate. What brand and model?
Great video! I was really looking forward to your take on the A9II. I was also slightly disappointed to see that a camera of this calibre doesn´t get the highest EVF on the market (like the A7RIV, SL2, S1, S1R, S1H, GFX100). For the money you´re paying for this camera and the intended use, it doesn´t make sense to me that it doesn´t have it, especially when a 'cheaper' camera made also by Sony like the A7RIV has it. Other than that, I´m sure it´s a beast. Take care and keep up the good work!
Hi Kevin thanks for the support. Yes the EVF was something I was a bit shocked on as well. I’m sure the next version will have it though.
The A9 II comes with a blackout free EVF at 20fps. Especially the blackout free EVF is the reason for a lower resolution EVF, otherwise this would be an issue with current data processing of the A9 II. The A7R4 does not have a blackout free EVF and it is also much, much slower - so the resolution of the EVF can be higher.
Funny I got rid of my A7riv for the A9ii. Best decision ever. Why? I shoot wildlife and the A7RIV sensor readout speed is too slow, too much EVF lag. The blackout and lag on the A7riv make it awful for fast wildlife. The A9/ii absolutely kills the A7RIV for anything moving. Paper specs mean nothing..,it’s what the tool can do in the field and the A9 series is still unbeatable for wildlife or sports....and I will tell you the image quality is much much cleaner than the noisy mess the A7RIV creates above ISO 3200. For the record, sensor readout speed on the A7riv is only 1/10s... vs. the A9 at 1/160s! That a huge difference. If you don’t know what this can do for your photography you probably don’t need an A9 anyway. I’d rather have a clean, 24mpx shot in perfect focus than a blurry mess that appears in focus until you zoom in and see focus was missed.
madmaxx72 You should not generalize your needs on others. Wildlife is not wildlife. Clear thing, for BIF and fast moving Wildlife and also at bad light, the Sony A9 II is best. But for all the rest the Sony A7R4 is a great tool due to its cropping capabilities which is superior to the A9 II. I know because I use both cameras on Sony 400mm 2.8 GM and Sony 600mm 4.0 GM for bird photography and mammal photography. Using both together makes the Sony system a perfect system for Wildlife.
@@Stefan1968ful I owned the A7RIV and shot with it almost daily since its release. Its NOT an action camera. For the A7RIV to shine you will need the 600GM and thats a not a cheap lense (even with this lens do not expect A9 levels of performance). I am not generalizing my opinions onto others...its a fact the A7RIV has serious focus issues. Simple fact is I and many prefer an A9ii for wildlife in general (includes BIF as well as many other type of wildlife) because the A9ii simply has much much faster focus acquisition and constant AF precision hence the 60 AF calculations per second! This nets me WAY more keepers than the A7RIV ever could! That alone is enough reason to dump the A7RIV. Until you have shot with both cameras for at least a fee weeks in the field you will not understand what I am referring to here .
What camera strap is that ?
I know how you feel, mate. I ended up selling both of my kidneys for the Fuji 200mm f2. Never been happier.
That’s a fantastic lens. Congrats
Very good review (as always)
Thanks for the support
From which camera you filmed this video ?
Sony A6600 I believe
Those action shots were so good!
thanks!
Do u always have to edit every shot??
I show both edited and non edited.
@@TECH360TV u sure did.
You should try using iso 640 instead of say iso 200. On my a9 the noise on iso 640 is significantly less than on iso 200. Idk if it’s true for the a9ii but doesn’t hurt to try.
Excellent video Bobby! Wish Nikon made a 135m 1.8 & a 105m 1.8 or 1.4! I love watching your videos, I started watching Jared Polin, but he hates on companies too much and just seems like an angry old dude. I soot nikon, but I love sony products and this looks like an amazing sports camera with fantastic AF. I have large hands like u and the Sony bodies always felt uncomfortably small.. I really like how u can use that sony grip on multiple Sony cameras, when nikon makes a grip its usually just for a specific camera and that stinjs.
Wish one is better, this one or Sony 7 S iii?! I want also for good video us well. Thanks!
Different cameras.
Damn ...now I have to order that 135 1.8 after watching this video .
Haha it’s an amazing lens
Which sony has a silence shutter???
What lens do you recommend for music festivals
I shot a lot of music festivals with my old Canon 24-105mm L series, it was only f/4 but got the job done. Something in that focal range would be good.
My S100-400 is bitingly sharp, in fact when I view the images on my monitor I swear they were taken with a 400 prime. Definitely something wrong with the 1-4 you were using.
Yeah I let Sony know too
200-600G is sharper at the long end... I own both lenses
When will they make the 300mm f2.8 E Mount?
Wouldn’t that be awesome?!?
@@TECH360TV Absolutely! Isn't the A9 designed for the sports/action segment? Lots of sports shooters use that focal length. I don't understand it.
Great Review !!! Also make sure cover the Sony's new release A7S3 or what ever that is due
We will for sure
@@TECH360TV Roger that Tech360
Lense 135 .... is Outstanding!!!
Agree 💯
Nice video, I own an A9II and 200-600 lens...
Thanks. Nice combo
I had purchased the A7RIV with 200600G...there is a big problem with that combo (AF inconsistency, back focusing issues) . About to swap my A7RIV flr A9ii. Extra megapixels aren't worth it unless you can afford to mount a 600F4 GM. If you cant, A9 series all the way
Done... A7RIV is sold. Got an A9ii and it just destroys the A7RIV from an AF perspective. Image quality to me is every bit as good but cleaner...better high ISO handling. I’m done with the R series...too slow for my use. I can shoot anything with the A9ii and get fantastic results!
Singapore it's my dream city.
Beautiful city
@@TECH360TV i love it. Just cant afford to live there. Ahahahhah. It's worth the long flight.
Yes expensive city for sure
He dresses like if tony stark was a photographer
Hahaha 😂
The 135GM is amazingly sharp, but the focal length wasn't a fit for me.
Thank you sir 🙏
Most welcome 😊
Is this about the camera or the lenses.
🤔🤔
Both. You need a lens to use a camera right? 🤔😂
@@TECH360TV but that's just 20% about the camera and rest on lenses....😅😅
There isnt much else to talk about the A9II. It doesn’t have a lot of updates to it.
@@TECH360TV anyways..thank you..👍🏼
The A7RIV EVF would introduce way too much lag for any fast subjects. I own the A7RIV and have decided to unload it...too slow overall for birding. It's AF system was overhyped. Its nowhere near an A9 or A9ii.
Higher refresh rate on the EVF will fix that. Sony didn’t implement that tech which other companies are using
6:51 ha ha ha!! so true. I do that
😂😂😂
cool reviews
I personally think most of these photos didnt do justice to this powerful camera like in 5:32. Cheaper cameras can do much better than this crap photo.
Good 👍 Expensive a9II
Keep the mic a bit close. The next video I played blowed my ears
Please notice me. 🙏
Suggest The BEST Camera for filmaking or photography, please 🙏 😭
HELP
Who else landed here for a review of the A9II and quickly became confused?
Why confused?
@@TECH360TV Have you read the comments on this review?
flippy screen?
Much more cheaper then the Leica. Better value though.
Ahhahaha. 200-600mm. That's like a machine gun. Wooooww.
Forget about camera, how d f you sweat so fast?
You need to come to Singapore to experience it :)
I can see u sweat alot there🤣
U look like tony stark
Its a good thing hahahahah
Thanks 😊
Good comparison, but the colors are not pleasing at all!
There is no such tonality nor boldness of color.
I think there is a serious problem in the blue color and its shades.
Blue as an obvious example, because I know the exact color of both the T shirt and the motorcycle.
Eric Karnova nope disagree. You never shot an A9ii that’s obvious. No idea how you can make that claim from watching a RUclips video lol
No zoo, good. Keep the animals in the wild.
Talk too fast.
Want International viewers? SLOW DOWN YOUR TALKING!!!
No. I wouldn't be able to stand him speaking like molasses, he's not speaking fast, he's speaking natively. You can use RUclips's video speed feature to help you.
@@nubscrub you could do the same, just speed it up.;)
wow you did not rate one of the best sony lens out there 100-400 but raved about the 200-600 which is not as good, first watch of one of your vids will avoid sorry dont rate you
Hi. Did you see the Lightroom portion? I explained the copy of the lens wasn’t good and showed examples
@@TECH360TV I stopped watching it my thought was if he is so wrong on the 100-400 not really going to watch the whole video. Sorry but there are so many doing what you do on here I want the info i get to be right. Good luck in the future
Understand but in all fairness not nice to comment on something if you haven’t watched the video in it’s entirety. The Lightroom portion explains a lot and I was fair with the lens based on that.
you need some deodorant