Very motivating content sir! That’s why aftermarket tuning parts exist! You’re making history about FL5 to be the FL5 EVO edition! Have you upgraded the LSD and clutch system yet? Can’t live without your FL5 videos sir! Stay strong!❤
Thanks for sharing your journey brother,!!! Congrats on the PB, and glad you can see more time to be shaved. I can imagine a PWR radiator combined with that secondary radiator or if there is a small PWR radiator that can be fitted upfront that would be sick. Several years back my buddy was helping build the 25hrs. of Thunderhill Porsche with Flying Lizards guys, and they had 3 PWR radiators up front.
While developing the 2nd radiator kit, here are a few things we have tried and it sort of helped. Maybe it could be helpful to other FK2/FK8/FL5 users (besides installing the 2nd radiator) - vented hood - undertray removal - set both fans to high speed via hondata - a suitable racing coolant (beware if it freezes in your area) - single or dual oil cooler setup - a big grille to allow more air in (or upgrade to the 2020 model grille) - and if needed, off the AC but set tomax temp to use it to remove some coolant heat
Im using the custom secondary radiator that Jason pioneered. Combined with the 2020+ grille, a koyo, and Varis hood, I can lap the car for entire 20 minute sessions without worry in hot weather. Hottest ive been in with it is in the low 90s. It is a game changer for the FK8.
I been there before. Leguna Seca is an odd track. I had a difficult time to warm up my tires and felt so slippery. I dont have a CTR so i can't state any temps issue i had out there. But i do have to point out that i had to drive like a 70 year old citizen for the first 3 laps just to get my tires warm lol Best of luck on your future track events. Keep up the content. We all can relate to the experience you had out there.
Those PB laps were smooth AF. Like watching a pro driver. I have the HEL oil cooler ready to install I think I'm going to pair it up with a 25 row Setrab Series 9 in series... That should do the trick. Hopefully oil pressure drop isn't too bad.
I remember reading that the PWR rad and PWR intercooler was the perfect pair to stop overheating since tube and fin style intercoolers allow more air to reach the radiator.
love your channel🙂 this is 2nd video I have seen of these fl5 on track that are going fast like you are flying but it seems the front ends scrub quite a bit. I think there is time to be had just getting rid of the front scrub or loosening up the rear🤔 After watching type r over heating struggles I don't think I can do it lol😅 My track b series civic doesn't even have a radiator fan lol and will go all day long 😄
your prl intercooler and hel oil cooler is blocking air into the radiator, it’s pretty obvious. On top of that you should be running e85 to drop the temps on such a big turbo. Lack of air flow is the obvious reason in combination higher turbo temps.
For sure is not ideal to block airflow but because of the lack of space it becomes an exercise in choosing the lesser of two evils. I already have flex fuel installed. Still no software support from Hondata
Did you already delete the A/C condenser? That thing shield a ton of air going through the radiator which sits behind. Also I would try to remove the rain guard underneath the hood vent. At least for the track day. Thats easy removed and put back on after.
21:30 1. Good save. It doesn't seem it was intentional, but good instincts. 2. Next time you want to do it intentionally, you may need higher speeds for that particular corner. 3. I intentionally do lift off oversteer in my fk8 at around 120 to 140 kph (See my channel) For your corner, around 130 may be needed. You decelerated from 90 mph to around 65 mph. Why? Notice : You basically paused mid-drift, as you need more power for a more consistent oversteer curve. ~Albeit good job saving the car!!!
@@GridZilla You're a natural at this, I've seen another fl5's crash badly as they did the wrong thing ~I too oversteered accidentally initially but controlled it similarly without issues, later did it intentionally and loved it ever since!!
@@g0d182 I learned more from driving my RWD cars in the past and racing on my sim rig where I WILL purposely induce power oversteer. Lots of fun for sure but when on a real race track unless it’s by accident, I’m only chasing laptimes 🙂
Love the vids good luck on the over heating sucks man feel your pain. I just got a 24 integ type s. Gonna drop 5gs in parts for performance mods and cooling. I love watching your channel keep it going !!!!
@@GridZilla I’ll hit you up if I get over heating probs lol. I’m wondering if the airdynamics in the type s will have any changes. Considering it’s the same frame motor and suspension.
I gave up on my old FK8 due to the overheating. 3-4 laps on a Sydney summer day was enough to send it into limp mode. Totally irritating. Friends with new FL5s have the same battle. Great car for cold weather track days, totally unsuitable for track days in warmer regions, no good for like 6-7 months of the year over here.
I believe coolant goes through the exhaust manifold to cool the exhaust gases. However it shouldn't go through the exhaust manifold. If you could find a way to reroute that coolant the overheating issues would go away. Is that possible?
My suggestion is to focus on airflow. Swap to a tube/fin intercooler if you can, remove the rain shield under the hood, and potentially just remove the hood vent plastic altogether.
It is disappointing when you have the entire Internet at your disposal but then choose to make the same comment we all see on every single other track oriented CTR video.
@GridZilla I was watching what I believe was your oil temps on your PB lap, looks like you barely made it! Thanks for being honest with the heat issues, seems like 90%of the internet doesn't think these cars overheat.
@@GridZillame personally I’ve never experienced over heating issues in my Veloster N on the track I’m sure it’s due to it have a better grill design for airflow.
I was thinking the same thing if you go to large on the oil cooler how much pressure drop do you get? Maybe (2) smaller ones in a good location might be better than than a big single. Have you tried different oil brands or viscosities? Do you have a different thermostat? Have you considered running a different coolant (engine ice) it additives?
@@scottlauderbaugh1214 those are all considerations and will likely be doing two small oil coolers and one large secondary radiator but until I deep dive into it not sure yet
Thank you for the suggestion on the books. I love reading stuff like that and it’s super ironic too because my next video talks about ducting and why I’m putting it back in. I removed a bit of it for the 27won snorkel. Releases tomorrow
I have fk8 with no upgrades. On trackdays doing between hotlap a cooling lap. So this is not racing 1 hotlap and 1 cooling lap. If i know the lap is not great i give up.... cooling and then hot lap. Respect the equipment. When you doing cooling lap it is great time to cooldown your brain to ;)
any details on how you ordered the Bride FO seat rails? Who did you get them from? Part number or anything? Trying to put my buckets in an Integra Type S DE5. Appreciate your content!
@@GridZilla Thanks for the great video. We designed the 2nd radiator kit here in Singapore. But do all our testings in Malaysia where we get ambient track temps of 96°F all the time.
@@GridZilla The dealer said they’d reach out if they receive one, but that sucks because I only want Championship White, or Red. Definitely not the black if I’m spending $60K
@@GridZilla I may try Oregon. Or, maybe I’ll push my search out beyond Seattle. I do own a GR Corolla. I’m disappointed these cars overheat so much. You already installed a better intercooler right?
Sorry if I missed it, what radiator do you currently have? Who makes aftermarket radiator options currently for the FL5 CTR? Thanks for your insight and posting the good and bad.
@@simonmessina4774 first of all,… I never use factory oil. Second of all that makes zero sense. Every Honda Race team has had issues keeping this car cool. You think they’re running factory oil?
@@GridZilla Haha all jokes of course. I appreciate the reply, been following you for a while. Can't wait to see what you do with the cooling system in the future. 🤌
Congratulations on the new PB!
I've used Jason's cooling recipe with a secondary radiator and oil cooler, and it gets the job done. 👌
So far the only system for a street car I’ve seen work
Very motivating content sir! That’s why aftermarket tuning parts exist! You’re making history about FL5 to be the FL5 EVO edition! Have you upgraded the LSD and clutch system yet? Can’t live without your FL5 videos sir! Stay strong!❤
Transmission mods coming soon
Thanks for sharing your journey brother,!!! Congrats on the PB, and glad you can see more time to be shaved. I can imagine a PWR radiator combined with that secondary radiator or if there is a small PWR radiator that can be fitted upfront that would be sick. Several years back my buddy was helping build the 25hrs. of Thunderhill Porsche with Flying Lizards guys, and they had 3 PWR radiators up front.
Yeah I’d love to use all PWR heat exchangers if possible. Best quality stuff for sure
Oh yeah! Jason Lewis, I know him! We talked about cooling options - also the mesh fog light grilles
He’s fast!
While developing the 2nd radiator kit, here are a few things we have tried and it sort of helped. Maybe it could be helpful to other FK2/FK8/FL5 users (besides installing the 2nd radiator)
- vented hood
- undertray removal
- set both fans to high speed via hondata
- a suitable racing coolant (beware if it freezes in your area)
- single or dual oil cooler setup
- a big grille to allow more air in (or upgrade to the 2020 model grille)
- and if needed, off the AC but set tomax temp to use it to remove some coolant heat
Thank you for sharing
Funny how Jason has SGP, and your wrap is very similar, lol. I actually took inspiration from his oil cooler setup for my FL5
It does in pictures and video but in person it couldn’t be more different lol
Im using the custom secondary radiator that Jason pioneered. Combined with the 2020+ grille, a koyo, and Varis hood, I can lap the car for entire 20 minute sessions without worry in hot weather. Hottest ive been in with it is in the low 90s. It is a game changer for the FK8.
Love hearing it
I been there before. Leguna Seca is an odd track. I had a difficult time to warm up my tires and felt so slippery. I dont have a CTR so i can't state any temps issue i had out there.
But i do have to point out that i had to drive like a 70 year old citizen for the first 3 laps just to get my tires warm lol
Best of luck on your future track events. Keep up the content. We all can relate to the experience you had out there.
Ever try Sonoma? That track is scary even after your tires are warm lol
Those PB laps were smooth AF. Like watching a pro driver. I have the HEL oil cooler ready to install I think I'm going to pair it up with a 25 row Setrab Series 9 in series... That should do the trick. Hopefully oil pressure drop isn't too bad.
I think you be ok if you use the right hardware.
I remember reading that the PWR rad and PWR intercooler was the perfect pair to stop overheating since tube and fin style intercoolers allow more air to reach the radiator.
As much as I love PWR products there’s no way in hell those two things alone are going to fix this
Someone give Jason a FL5 to test out!
Might be happening sooner than later
love your channel🙂 this is 2nd video I have seen of these fl5 on track that are going fast like you are flying but it seems the front ends scrub quite a bit. I think there is time to be had just getting rid of the front scrub or loosening up the rear🤔 After watching type r over heating struggles I don't think I can do it lol😅 My track b series civic doesn't even have a radiator fan lol and will go all day long 😄
Yeah still working on tuning out the understeer
Ah Jason's gunna build even better. Had no idea he traveled that far.
Not much for tracks in Reno lol
@@GridZilla fair! maybe a trek to the F1 circuit in Vegas? lol (half kidding)
@@nodrogkam 😂
You’re welcome on the seats 😂
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your prl intercooler and hel oil cooler is blocking air into the radiator, it’s pretty obvious. On top of that you should be running e85 to drop the temps on such a big turbo. Lack of air flow is the obvious reason in combination higher turbo temps.
For sure is not ideal to block airflow but because of the lack of space it becomes an exercise in choosing the lesser of two evils. I already have flex fuel installed. Still no software support from Hondata
Maybe a bumper option to open the front of the FL5 up will help? Give you more surface area and airflow to use for cooling.
Yep that’s a tight as well. The spoon FL5 did it
@@GridZilla I’m hoping for some nice options as well. Would love to get more natural air and lighting abilities.
Did you already delete the A/C condenser? That thing shield a ton of air going through the radiator which sits behind. Also I would try to remove the rain guard underneath the hood vent. At least for the track day. Thats easy removed and put back on after.
Definitely NOT deleting my AC condenser 🤣
Forever chasing these 2 guys...
😈
Someone needs to develop a dry ice set up for the type r.
Or water cooled intake manifold
21:30
1. Good save. It doesn't seem it was intentional, but good instincts.
2. Next time you want to do it intentionally, you may need higher speeds for that particular corner.
3. I intentionally do lift off oversteer in my fk8 at around 120 to 140 kph (See my channel)
For your corner, around 130 may be needed. You decelerated from 90 mph to around 65 mph.
Why?
Notice : You basically paused mid-drift, as you need more power for a more consistent oversteer curve.
~Albeit good job saving the car!!!
Yeah definitely NOT intentional 🤣. Just impatient on cold tires
@@GridZilla You're a natural at this, I've seen another fl5's crash badly as they did the wrong thing
~I too oversteered accidentally initially but controlled it similarly without issues, later did it intentionally and loved it ever since!!
@@g0d182 I learned more from driving my RWD cars in the past and racing on my sim rig where I WILL purposely induce power oversteer. Lots of fun for sure but when on a real race track unless it’s by accident, I’m only chasing laptimes 🙂
Love the vids good luck on the over heating sucks man feel your pain. I just got a 24 integ type s. Gonna drop 5gs in parts for performance mods and cooling. I love watching your channel keep it going !!!!
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@@GridZilla I’ll hit you up if I get over heating probs lol. I’m wondering if the airdynamics in the type s will have any changes. Considering it’s the same frame motor and suspension.
@@CT-cf6wm all the same issues. The Honda race team has both the FL5 and Type S. Same overheating issues for both
I gave up on my old FK8 due to the overheating. 3-4 laps on a Sydney summer day was enough to send it into limp mode. Totally irritating. Friends with new FL5s have the same battle.
Great car for cold weather track days, totally unsuitable for track days in warmer regions, no good for like 6-7 months of the year over here.
Maybe it’s time to give Jason’s cooling system a try?
I believe coolant goes through the exhaust manifold to cool the exhaust gases. However it shouldn't go through the exhaust manifold. If you could find a way to reroute that coolant the overheating issues would go away. Is that possible?
There a few places where it routes through. It will be covered in a video at some point
@@GridZillaOk very cool 😎
My suggestion is to focus on airflow. Swap to a tube/fin intercooler if you can, remove the rain shield under the hood, and potentially just remove the hood vent plastic altogether.
There’s a few things in the plans. I always go tune & fin when available
@@GridZillano tube and fin intercooler available yet. PWR has something in the works or so I’ve been told.
@@kingjimmykingjimmy they do. I think they just barely released it
great video, appreciate you continuing to be at the front of pushing the fl5 platform. how did the seats feel?
Great! Very supportive. Never felt uncomfortable
Let's Goooooooo!
Acuity reverse flow hoses with good radiator
Always have the PWR race spec radiator.
May I ask if the FK8 had its AC condensor removed? or are the 2 Oil coolers and 3 Radiator setup enough to keep the AC system?
Jason’s FK8 still has the AC condenser.
I saw a quick view of it from another video. Sorry that had to happen to your buddy!
Yeah bummer but he’ll be back
It is disappointing when you have a track car that can't actually lap without over heating.
Very disappointing… but in not going to take this lying down. I’m going to do something about it.
I think the best thing you could do is get vents in the hood. Gotta get that hot air out.
@@codyumbaugh there isn’t a single silver bullet but yes a vented hood is a must
It is disappointing when you have the entire Internet at your disposal but then choose to make the same comment we all see on every single other track oriented CTR video.
@GridZilla I was watching what I believe was your oil temps on your PB lap, looks like you barely made it!
Thanks for being honest with the heat issues, seems like 90%of the internet doesn't think these cars overheat.
How many laps/minutes into the session were you when oil temps started to climb over 300F?
Two warm up laps at maybe 60% effort and only two laps at full send
Amazing drive. What tyre are you running bro?
Eagle RS
Hope you figure out the cooling issue. I know it’s a big deal in our cars.
Question, does Jason happen to have a social media page we could follow?
@vroomn_fk8 on IG
Can also do pci or planted
What about increasing ventilation to the engine bay by modifying the hood? Or side vents on the fenders?
For sure that’s pretty elementary but won’t be enough
That seems irritating considering the type r should be track ready from factory
@@youcangetsum6871 most modern forced induction cars will overheat on track
@@GridZillame personally I’ve never experienced over heating issues in my Veloster N on the track I’m sure it’s due to it have a better grill design for airflow.
@@youcangetsum6871 there are some variables of course. Depends on the track, mods, laptimes etc etc
Can’t you just turn on the heater on full blast to eliminate the secondary rad? Also is there any oil pressure impact using a second oil cooler?
I wish it were that simple but they’ve all been tried. Two small oil coolers are ok for oil pressure if you use the correct hardware and lines.
@@GridZilla great Thanks!!!
I was thinking the same thing if you go to large on the oil cooler how much pressure drop do you get? Maybe (2) smaller ones in a good location might be better than than a big single.
Have you tried different oil brands or viscosities?
Do you have a different thermostat?
Have you considered running a different coolant (engine ice) it additives?
@@scottlauderbaugh1214 those are all considerations and will likely be doing two small oil coolers and one large secondary radiator but until I deep dive into it not sure yet
10:41 interesting
A lot of good info there for sure
You need build duct to cooler. Check "The art of engine cooling: designing ducting systems for Optimal Performance" Maybe this is solution.
also "Simple Methods To Fix Your Aero (No CFD, No Wind Tunnel)"
Thank you for the suggestion on the books. I love reading stuff like that and it’s super ironic too because my next video talks about ducting and why I’m putting it back in. I removed a bit of it for the 27won snorkel. Releases tomorrow
@@GridZilla youtube ;) "Have Engine Cooling Issues? Watch This NOW | Motorsport Ducting Basics [#TECHTALK]"
I have fk8 with no upgrades. On trackdays doing between hotlap a cooling lap. So this is not racing 1 hotlap and 1 cooling lap. If i know the lap is not great i give up.... cooling and then hot lap. Respect the equipment. When you doing cooling lap it is great time to cooldown your brain to ;)
@@maciejkostecki175 nah I wanna go hard for the full 20 minute session 😂
any details on how you ordered the Bride FO seat rails? Who did you get them from? Part number or anything? Trying to put my buckets in an Integra Type S DE5. Appreciate your content!
Ordered mine through Evasive Motorsports.
Part# are
BRI-H049FO
And
BRI-H050FO
@@GridZilla ok, so direct bolt in correct? Uses the standard 4 bolt holes from the stock seats? thanks for this info!!
@@stingertimenc9094 correct
got a IG handle on that guy from malaysia for the secondary radiator kit?
@Drivencrazy.sg
@@GridZilla Thanks for the great video. We designed the 2nd radiator kit here in Singapore. But do all our testings in Malaysia where we get ambient track temps of 96°F all the time.
I can't find this car for purchase anywhere in my area. I'm wondering if they'll stop making them soon, or they'll allocate anymore?
Stop making them but depending on where you live they’ll go to the bigger car markets first
@@GridZilla The dealer said they’d reach out if they receive one, but that sucks because I only want Championship White, or Red. Definitely not the black if I’m spending $60K
@@DBX79 have you tried out of state?
@@GridZilla I may try Oregon. Or, maybe I’ll push my search out beyond Seattle. I do own a GR Corolla. I’m disappointed these cars overheat so much. You already installed a better intercooler right?
@@DBX79 yeah
What radiator are you running?
PWR RACE SPEC
this sucks. i just got a hel oil cooler, PWR track radiator, and PRL intercooler in the FL5. I am about to test it in the summer :(
Your mileage may vary. You might be fine.
Sorry if I missed it, what radiator do you currently have?
Who makes aftermarket radiator options currently for the FL5 CTR?
Thanks for your insight and posting the good and bad.
@@scottlauderbaugh1214 best current option is PWR race spec. That’s what I have
It's going to overhead because it probably still running 0-30w oil from factory. 5-40w
The weight of the oil won’t make 50-60f difference which is how much lower the temp needs to be to be considered “normal range”
@@GridZilla nah it's the factory oil garbage don't race it with factory oil needs a good engine oil so it won't overheat.
@@simonmessina4774 first of all,… I never use factory oil. Second of all that makes zero sense. Every Honda Race team has had issues keeping this car cool. You think they’re running factory oil?
Lap time deleted.
😂 with all the sliding around for sure
@@GridZilla Haha all jokes of course. I appreciate the reply, been following you for a while. Can't wait to see what you do with the cooling system in the future. 🤌
@@csboi 😁😈👊🏽
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