Has NYC Made A Big Mistake? - Queensway Project Approved
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- Опубликовано: 22 сен 2022
- Last week, Mayor Eric Adams approved and promised to fund the Queensway project, a plan to convert the disused Rockaway Beach Branch into a park. In this video, I give my thoughts on the approval.
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NYC annoys me the way they ignore subway expansion especially when they’re moving heavily to force people to drive less but won’t support projects that would make using public transportation easier.
I know, this is ridiculous but 😢
@@broyofroyo1207 no buts
@@williamerazo3921 what do you mean
Well not every project should be approved. I see your point tho.
@@vibe1582 7 extension to WTC is a NUMBER 1
As a resident near the Rockaway Beach branch, I would’ve liked to see the Queens link plan far more than the Queens way plan. It would just be more convenient for me to go to the north instead of having to use the crowded busses at Woodhaven.
I also think the old Woodhaven Junction LIRR station should have been reopened as a transfer between the Atlantic Branch and the IND Rego Park Line. The same goes for the former Whitepot Junction on the LiRR Main Line. The old Woodhaven Junction station should be renamed "Woodhaven Transfer" station, and the site of the old Whitepot Junction should be converted into the "Rego Park Transfer" station.
Yep, we have officially reached Peak NIMBY: oppose sustainable transit in the name of environmentalism. Incidentally this is a familiar dynamic over here in Israel with the sensitive issue of Saturday transport. The opponents are a coalition of religious people and secular car owners who just find it offensive to their sensibilities, even though they don’t actually have to deal with the consequences either way.
I didnt expect my favorite Jewish historian to be commenting here
@@whatshisfac3324 Obviously you haven’t seen my train channel.
What do jews and stairs have in common?
its so counter intuitive to be removing something sustainable and replacing it with “green space” for vanity
First I see Sam under a video on international baseball and now under a video on NYC transit!
Yes NYC has made a real huge mistake. This is especially since this a a prime corridor for better rail service between the Rockaway Peninsula and the rest of the city. Turning the right of way into a park robs us of that opportunity.
If anything, the city should’ve done the Queenslink plan, which replaces the embankment with a new concrete viaduct that provides new room for a park underneath. This provides needed rail service while creating new park space underneath. It’s a win-win situation.
Just build on top of the park
Jeremiah, you are right. This is a very huge mistake. And the Queenslink plan is better.
Absolutely Man
NYC? You mean NYS. NYC does not run the MTA, the MTA is an agency under the purview of the governor of New York (Kathy Hochul)
Sadly, I've seen parts of the ROW that were built over. So starting somewhere in Forest Park the line should be tunneled underground and what remains above should be the park.
I grew up in Far Rockaway and having to take the A train into Manhattan always seemed to take forever. Plus, the need for another railway became apparent when the bay bridge the train crosses over by JFK was damaged after Sandy and became inaccessible cutting off subway service to the rest of the city. They need to reopen the Queens line for direct access between north and south Queens without having to circle around Brooklyn/Manhattan. This should've been done 30 years ago.
How about a high speed track from Rockaway BC and woodhaven blvd non stop to 42 street, using the same road bed.
Horrible Idea. We have more than enough green spaces. The Queens link is definitely more needed and missed opportunity to expand transit in such an area that needs more services.
And considering that they are trying to encourage more commuters to use public transit this is definitely discouraging
Yeah look at all the convenient connections the M train would have made
not everyone has access to green space.
@@wilsondeng2116& Not everyone can’t get from Jackson Heights - Howard Beach
New York City made a big mistake by voting for this mayor
All plans, like any other adjustments or enhancements to the city, take years to implement. Different administrations, attitudes, economic situations, and so on all have significant impact on getting a project off the ground. However, I am willing to wager one dollar that whichever decision is ultimately made. It’s not going to happen anytime soon.
Know what, people gotta start lobbying for the hybrid solution between the subway extension and the Parkway upgrades. Like it just be stupid to think you could hadn't that long term increase in traffic with only buses.
Like even in some mystical world if they choose to introduce light rail. Like they literally had a whole existing right of way where they could've have Grade separated light rail.
I HATE "rail-to-trail" type projects. It's essentially impossible to regain that right of way
I feel like there’s a huge conversation to be had in terms of America’s addiction to building “rail trails” (in terms of replacing former transit ROWs with paved pedestrian highways). In the US, I can’t help but feel like rail trails are built to deter transit (especially in urban areas) instead of complimenting transit like in Europe.
Supposedly in some places, the trails are built primarily for ROW preservation for any long-ultra long term mass transit visions. At least that one county that’s just northeast of St. Louis…
@@schwenda3727 what your describing is called “rail banking”, it’s the process of preserving lucrative ROWs for future use. Massachusetts does this to a large extant as it ensures that abandoned right of ways are never developed; this also makes it much easier to reactivate dormant lines which is what is being done with the MBTA south coast rail extension project.
What a waste to have the QueensWay and this is why I’ll start driving soon, I don’t see the big deal of trains passing every 5 minutes it’s a New York thing, just imagine how fast commuters get from the Rockaways to Central Queens if they had chosen the QueensLink
Wait where are they putting this Queensway? Why the hard push for a green space to phase out transit convenience? Isn’t Forest Park enough? Oh and what’s the story with those tracks that Run through there?
Yes, they should've extended the R/M down to Rockaway Park inorder to provide the Rockaway with frequent train service. Instead of the crappy 15-20 minute headways the A has there.
NOOO NOT THE M
@@Silxvr why?
@@peskypigeonx shitty inconsistent service and the route would become too long
@@bricksabrar The R has 45 stations. The M has 35,36 stations. I’m pretty sure even if you extended the M it would be near the current R’s amount
@@peskypigeonx 9 stations is the distance from Rockaway Blvd to far Rockaway alone, and the stops are farther spaced. There still is a decent sized distance between Woodhaven.
Also, this would reduce service to Rego Park, which is a decently used station. There's also an upper level in Jackson Heights, so why not use that for the Rockaway Beach Branch?
Seems like such a waste as the line had such great potential as it could offer riders:
a new way into Midtown
An new and fast link to JFK Airport
Another route across Queens, which would mean riders wouldn't have to go to Manhattan
A fsater alternate to the bus
The only positive about the Queensway is that it is better than leaving the line abandonded, but is defintiley not the best option, by a long way.
Missed opportunity for sure.
1. Airports aren’t especially good anchors for high-capacity transit, that’s why most have APMs (ala JFK AirTrain), and connections to mainline rail rather than urban rail lines. It only works if there are valuable neighborhoods to serve, which LGA does, but JFK doesn’t.
2. Bus ridership on Woodhaven is decent, but not high enough that a subway should be considered. The corridor nets 28K people per weekday, nothing out of the ordinary. The land use around the alignment of the Queenslink is generally very poor, and the alignment itself is also very poor, being separated from the development along Woodhaven Blvd.
3. This, combined with the fact that there are so many other competing interests within the city, that increased service to these few non-valuable areas isn’t worth it, especially as it disturbs operations to the rest of the city.
In conclusion, no park, and no transit is the best option, the most I could see happening is a tramway along Woodhaven Blvd.
Same AJR 22
@@TMC_BC hey tmc, can you do a video about extending the Harlem line to Staten Island, why did you rename yourself
@@broyofroyo1207 I will when I get the equipment to do it, I just don’t have a mic :(
@@TMC_BC okay
The trail and highway lobbyists have gotten a massive victory with the approval of the STUPID greenway! The Rockaway Beach Branch at roughly 4.8 miles, would have no grade crossings and be totally grade separated. No bridges or viaducts would have to be built. The shells of the stations are in good shape. My simple mind cannot comprehend how they calculate the so called cost of reactivating this line! How can the cost of the Second Avenue subway IN A TUNNEL, cost LESS than an at grade rail line? Someone paid good money to derail the plans to reactivate this line, someone who definitely has a vested interest in keeping rail service from coming back. Also, how can fixing the line for subway service cost MORE than for fixing it for LIRR service? The Subway cars are LIGHTER and SMALLER, and consequently don’t require heavy duty trackage like the LIRR does! In addition, some LIRR trains have DE30AC and DM30AC diesel locomotives, which are way heavier than ANYTHING that goes on the subway! Freight trains also go along the Long Island RR tracks! It would also cost MORE to connect the ends of this line to LIRR’s existing service than to connect to the subway. On the south end, it can very easily be connected to the A line without any major issues and the third rail would be put in either way and would cost the same for either LIRR, subway, tunnel, or above ground. This so called park will destroy the possibility of rail service over the Rockaway Beach Branch and the cost being paid is HIGHER than the actual cost not the inflated MTA figures that are bloated beyond belief!
Removing any fixed rail system is a step backwards. Shame on New York City!
Light Rail can travel on parkland. They should turn it into a light rail system, running on tracks embedded into the park.
I really feel for the people that are inconvenienced when it comes to lack of train and connections. That should be first. Once tracks are turned into a green space, there's no turning back. The ones making the decisions don't care what the residents think that depend on these routes and are never the ones living there or using the transportation in these areas.
All this residential buildings and construction being done in the area of the proposed line idea they need to reactivate that abandoned line and bring rail service back there instead of Greens Way. There's enough greenways in Queens. During the cold seasons The Greenway won't be used that much. A rail line would be used daily and benefit MORE in help transporting people back and forth and alleviate Woodhaven boulevard in both directions especially the area that goes towards the Rockaways where the boulevard changes name to Cross Island.
My subway plan was to have the C train go to Lefferts, The A train to far Rockaway, And a new train from Forest Hills to Rockaway Park
Or instead of a new line maybe extend the the shuttle
@@realniggsolo That’s the thing. If we extend it, it’ll be too long to be a shuttle
@@collectivelyimprovingtrans2460 True, True. Good point.
Why not link to the 63rd street line
@@qjtvaddict It would link to the Queens Boulevard line. 63rd St. line is all the way in Long Island city this goes to Rego Park which is nowhere near it
This seems like the same logic that wants a streetcar over in Western Brooklyn purely for the gimmick of it when Select + bus could accomplish the same thing, meanwhile the people in Staten Island are stuck with a single surface rail line that is basically a glorified conveyor to the ferry that seems to be almost reluctantly operated.
They should reactive it as a subway line
this is going to gentrify the surrounding area with luxury high rises and further the need for expansion of the network. vicious cycle
There was a proposal about it off the queens blvd line , off the 63rd drive stop there’s a slant in the tunnel leading towards the area of that link.
Honestly. The MTA can’t get it right. First they turned 2nd avenue into a two line track so no express service, and it also can’t make use of its lines properly. The R train is long for sure, but the M is not that long. The thing is they can’t run the M on the weekend, so there would be no service at all times. They should get rid of the Z skip stop service on the J line, which really is of no help, and instead put the Z line as the route for this branch. And then they should send the F and E express all the time, so they can let the M go on the F line and terminate at Parsons or 179st. Then upgrade the Ozone park branch to allow A express service to the rockaways and send the C to ozone park. The routes are long yes, but the way that the MTA helps out drivers is providing switching points for Drivers to switch places to avoid driving for too long. This happens a lot on the A train, and other lines, so I know it would work once more. The MTA really needs to work out there driver shortages. One way is to train conductors to operate, and then get High school and college students above 16 in on the action. The conductor position is Fairly easy. It only requires customer service and pressing some buttons, and not too much complicated stuff for the most part. With the right training and selection process, it could provide kids with great internships or part time jobs, and get more operators on the routes. They also got to fix that 2nd avenue mess and get it to 4 tracks before its too late. Now I have a crazy idea for proposal, but what if they made 8 car G service, so The F can shorten it’d too long route, and send the G to Coney Island, and the F to Church ave. Then the MTA could do a queens project to help bus service on hillside avenue. They could dig tunnel and extend the F line until Springfield blvd, and make stops along the way, such as Francis Lewis, 188st, 212st and Springfield terminal. Then they could extent the E line underground until this Terminus as well, but Via Jamaica Ave. The E could stop at 168st, 179st, Somewhere near Francis Lewis, where it would then run accross and reach the F in the Grand Springfield terminal. Then they could extend the A line from Ozone until Sutphin. But these are just my crazy ideas for the future lol. At least this last bit. This might seem like long routes, but I’m the future, when the inevitable driverless trains take over, there will be a lot of coverage and range for our incredible subway.
I always wanna see half of Rockaway Beach branch taking reactivated by LIRR or subway, screw that green park crap. For those who pick green Park and non transport people, yeah good luck fighting traffic to work and also be careful what you wish for.
Or majority of them get stranded surrounded by robbers/rapist and aggressive rats ready to rob and eat them. They'll learn the hardway.
@@maroon9273As if parks are safe at night
you should do a video on if we need subway extensions into east nyc in places like canarsie cause all there really is is the L train, and sort of the 3 but just barely
Once you pull up the rails it's impossible to reactivate a rail line. Conrail hastily pulled up a number of lightly used rail lines back in the 70's and 80's as a cost cutting measure. The Erie Lakawana cutoff is a great example of why you shouldn't pull up rails that may be of use in the future. NJ transit and Amtrak are currently trying to put that back together.
Whatever makes it easier for the MTA to escape further responsibility, that's what's gonna happen.
NYC pub transit was designed to bring commuters to and from Manhattan. I guess, they never imagined some one from The Bronx would need t visit Queens.
No I don't think so. Woodhaven Blvd is right there running parallel, with a right-of-way of between roughly 130 and 150 feet, which is more than enough to put up a two-track elevated viaduct, plus the transfers between both subway lines and bus routes would be much more seamless there as well.
Didn't know that Adams was also anti-transit. A new branch was a no brainer. They already have the right-of-way for it and everything. I wonder who's lining his pockets.
I think that both the (M) and (R) should both turn south from Forest Hills, and then run to the Rockaway Beach Branch. You might think that the (M) will pass by Metropolitan Av with this extension. To solve this issue, the (M) will no longer run along the Nassau St line. It will run into Brooklyn on the Culver Line, which will allow for all (F) trains to run express in Brooklyn. There will be a shuttle between Myrtle Av and Metropolitan Av as well. But at Myrtle Av, this shuttle will stop on the upper level of the station to prevent the shuttle and (J) trains from interlining.
That is dumb
At that point you could take the Q10 or Q53/52SBS
People need to stop removing buses from the equation and thinking that this type of thinking is gonna work
The R would become too long and this is a dumbass idea because at this point your making a big loop
The F would become useless past Briarwood
Thus returning the (G) back to 71 Ave, Forest Hills.
I was thinking of making an M Train more of a Myrtle Avenue shuttle and extended to Nassau Street only doing rush hours.
Create two (F) trains one via 53rd Street one via 63rd Street (Roosevelt Island). Then during the overnights eliminate the 53rd Street F and half passengers change at 7th Avenue for the E. Extended G train back to Forest hills and have the (R) turn down to the Rockaways to run with the A & C trains.
@@jasminerosner5449 The A is not the longest subway line in the world, there are quite a few underground lines in London which measure 40-50 miles in length. I think one goes up to 60.
Any time a trail is placed over a former rail ROW is a catastrophic disaster in the history of rail transport. It's bad enough that we lost so many freight routes and passenger branch lines to trails, but turning this line in particular into a trail, with studies by both the subway AND LIRR to restore service on it, is absolutely unacceptable in this day and age, where access to efficient public transit is critical in the face of climate change. I've also heard proponents of this trail say that it would be as popular as the high line, but I don't feel that this region of Queens would be as popular as midtown Manhattan, and people would be connected to these regions at a much slower pace by walking or taking an infrequent bus, when compared to a double and quad tracked subway. The only possible area to have rails and trails is the former quad tracked section from the A train to Atlantic Ave, but the QueensWay proposal did not show any rails and trails development along the region. #RailsOverTrails!
The USA is a failure
Q53 is not infrequent
@@qjtvaddict but it gets full
This abandoned rail line needs to be restored to rail service, not turned into a useless park. The High Line should have been turned into light rail service too.
It needs to be reactivated as a subway and not a park. It would relieve the congestion and MTA needs more subway lines.
What will the city do next to limit traffic and congestion. This queenslink project would have given central queens a chance at transit, and the M train would had a chance to link northern and southern queens too. Enough with the over glorification of buses that end up slowing traffic and commutes down.
honestly the green space is worse than doing nothing because it's gonna speed up gentrification
Wow! Nothing surprise me of what politicians and leaders do!
If they reactivate the old Rockaway branch from the Queens Boulevard Line, they can create two (F) trains one via 53rd Street one via 63rd Street (Roosevelt Island). Then during the overnights eliminate the 53rd Street F and have passengers change at 7th Avenue for the E. Extended the (G) train back to Forest Hills and have the (R) turn down to the Rockaways to run with the A & C trains. Make the M more of a Myrtle Avenue shuttle and terminated on the upper level of that station. Only extending the to Nassau Street line during rush hours. And rebuild the Howard Beach station into a three Island platform- four track Express Station/Terminal. During rush hours the (R) & (C) trains go to Rockaway Park and the (A) train goes to Mott. During off peak the (R) terminates at Howard Beach and the (C) terminates at Euclid Ave, with the Rockaway (C) shuttle terminating at Howard Beach instead of Broad Channel.
The air train style over the new Greenway is the way to go.
I kind of wish that this was A subway or Interborough express instead of a park. Because the best way to use this to get somewhere is to bike, and biking is not as good as even something as bad as a local bus
I don't think it should be an Interview Express type line. Leave that for the old Bay Ridge Branch. And if the decide to expand that into the Bronx, fix the approaches to the Hell Gate Bridge.
@@DTD110865 My official plan makes it a subway
NYC really needs to step up its transit game. Just because we're the best in the US for public transportation doesn't mean we can't do better
While I like the Queensway idea, I won’t lie when I say I know some people who would love to have a second alternative to going into Far Rockaway that would save time when driving sucks and the A is just kinda not the greatest. And to be honest, I agree that there’s a way for both to co-exist. If something like that were considered, that would probably be the way to meet both in the middle.
Here is the thing, the QueensLink idea is already a compromise. You get the parks along with new subway services. Yet, the media never mentioned the compromise.
The MTA is ever going to be held accountable for their blatant cost overruns? 8 billion according to them but 3,7 in reality. Same with the 2nd ave subway, like 10 billion already on a line that to me doesn’t make sense with the amount of ridership it will see. I would prefer the subway to the walkway. There is another abandoned rail that goes parallel to woodhaven blvd, it’s an elevated train track you can see from 101st, rockaway blvd, etc
This is the price of being behind 50 years in subway expansion...smh
Definitely not a good idea, they inflated the price because they don't wanna do it
Which one?
I blame no one but the MTA for this. Don't they own the right of way? So why did not they reactive this a long time ago? If they did, it would not have gotten to this point where NYMBY's would be influencing NYC to turn this right of way into a park.
You can blame the mayor for this
@@JermaniBurroughs I would blame the Mayor but because the MTA owns the right of way and structure is the reason why I am blaming them before the Mayor.
@@amazing50000 But they can’t just plan to build queenslink & then construct it the next day like they needs Funding & Approval from the Local Government.
My thought is i dint see any imagery that helped me identify where this line is located besides the map. Where does this line connect to active or well-trodded routes?
In my personal opinion l, I think the demand is too low for a train but too high for a bus. So I propose a unconventional method especially by North American Standards, I think they should have built a tramway. Reduces congestion but also not as noisy as a Train.
Was so surprised to see the picture of Kolkata Metro in your video cuz I'm from Kolkata. Awesome video though and I hope the Queen's link line opens up to revenue sevrice
They should have reconnected the line to the current Rockaway line and extend the rock park shuttle
They have been talking about this for years. I will wait for them to complete it to believe it.
What a waste of potential.
I agree with your decision on making it both a park and a transit line. I would send either the M train OR the R train down there to provide more frequent service in the Rockaways.
The Rockaways don’t have to ridership or the development to support more than 15 minute service. They cannibalize the A more than help it. Cut the branch from Rockaway Blvd to Broad Channel, and rebuild the connection to the Far Rockaway Branch of the LIRR, running LIRR service as a regional rail line.
@@TMC_BC Have you even seen the density that’s happening in Far Rockaway? Plus tourists, it definitely deserves more frequency. 15 minute headways are HORRIBLE for an attracting area like this. You can’t just demote an area like that to commuter rail. Ridership doesn’t grow because you’re not supporting it’s growth.
@@TMC_BC Plus, you’re forcing commuters to go ALL the way around the bay. You’d enforce bus dependence on an even worse level.
@@peskypigeonx I’m pretty sure Far Rockaway, and the rest of the peninsula isn’t growing. Ridership at those stations is the least in the system, and it continues to drop. Bus ridership, however, is on the rise. The Peninsula is simply not geographically fit for a subway, being so far from NYC. Regional Rail is faster, and could be fare-integrated with the rest of the system, and run at higher frequencies.
@@TMC_BC Again, you have ignored my points. Most Rockaway-ans have to use the bus or car because frequencies at off-peak times on the A & S are at 20+ minutes. Far Rockaway is densifying massively. If you don’t support the subway, people don’t ride it. You can see this with many studies of how the Rockaways get to Manhattan. Plus, the area between Far Rockaway’s A and commuter rail is being filled in. If we can manage to bring better frequencies to the A by extending the M to to one of the 2 Rockaway Terminals, that would massively improve the use and value of the A there instead of building completely new infrastructure for making Rockaway commuters go all the way around the bay into crowded LIRR trains.
Not a Good Idea and for Mayor Adams he should look to Philadelphia & Norristown PA where they have a Rail with Trail route the old PRR R6 Norristown via Cwynd being the rail trail while the active one is Reading RR R6 Norristown Line via Temple Uni
Goodnite sir. The Queens way should've ben planned for the Ex Long Island RailRoad Montauk Cuff in Long Island City. Instead of Ex Far-Rockaway Beach Branch. The MTA should really need to put the breaks on this Queens Way plan. 😡There's need for this. Queens is very underserved when it come down to trains 🚆 and the Railroad. The revibe of Far-Rock Beach Branch will creat a fast way into Manhattan. The J/Z A are all packed as is. The Q-53/Q-52 Q-11/Q-21 don't really run all that great. As Subway or Rail they could run a train 8 or 7 trains per hour and it would've ben LIRR the MTA could've connet the line to Woodside and then Extend it to Grand Central Term !!But No!!Top heavy people in office 🏢 don't care about Public Transit. Everybody that lives In New york City don't own cars 🚗.
Sorry to ask, since Im not from the area. Where is it located? By ozone park, jamaica, rockaway ave? I thought it was going to be the one by VanDam street near 21st ave, there is a few abandoned train tracks there to going north, I walked a couple blocks and you could see all the new buildings going up.
In Southwest Queens in Ozone Park, Woodhaven, Forest Hills.
So in the winter when they beg you to leave the cars at home and take mass transit...oh, never mind 🤦🏿♂️
I have an idea for a video: it’s about the G train. Since 2010, the G train has only ran between Court Square and Church Avenue. When it originally ran local on the Queens Boulevard Line from 71st-Continental to the odd terminus of Smith-9th Streets. My idea is that the G train should run to 71st-Continental again but as a limited rush hour service extension similar to how the W does in Brooklyn. In fact it is possible to implement this service without any construction. The Court Square station tracks have no bumper blocks and trains continue on to Queens Plaza and onto the local route of the Queens Boulevard line, so this special rush hour G train extension is theoretically possible to implement.
It is not possible. At least during rush hour. They cut it back in 2001 because of capacity constraints with the V train. Extending the G would just cause needless congestion and overcrowding. The G also only has four cars and would be swamped with people transferring at Queens Plaza and Rosevelt Ave. People prefer direct Manhattan service.
@timhershel, actually, this is possible. With CBTC being implemented on Queens Blvd, there is the capacity to allow for the (G) to run on Queens Blvd. Also, Queens Blvd is severely overcrowded, and a new subway line running there could reduce the overcrowding on the line.
@@josephrosner905 Theoretically yes but you would have to send one local train to 179th Street which would never happen. 71st ave cannot physically handle all rush hour G trains. They tried that in the 90s and those R trains all ran empty east of 71st ave. Any additional capacity will go to the 53rd Street line where people actually want to go. It is also not possible with the current rolling stock on the G to run with CBTC.
The Rockaway connection is one the two or three branch projects to improve the local service on the queens Blvd line including reviving the G train
In an outlier area of Vancouver, known as Surrey, part of the extension of the skytrain had to run through a run down garbage infested wooded area.
Of course there was no objection.
Later the area was turned into a world class park, and back dated, to make it look like there was always a park there.
Pure genius marketing.
It doesn't have to be a Subway. We can get a Light Rail network which will be multipurpose - the Light Rail would run from Ozone Park (A Station) to Queens Plaza (linking the EMR at Queens Plaza with the 7NW at Queensboro Plaza) on one line and from Ozone Park (A Station) to Fordham Plaza (Metro-North) on the other (connecting with the Forest Hills EFMR Station).
As much as I want to hope they don't repeat this mistake on Staten Island, they already have with how Empire Outlets was built.
I think with the advent of all these electric scooters and other contraptions they should make that space to appeal to people who not only use such vehicles but also encourage others to switch to them and leave their cars at home.
A train does this very well, and gives people options so they can choose between trains and micromobility. So I think a train should be part of the picture. Then as the train takes cars off the road (in this case, Woodhaven and Cross Bay Blvds), it will be much easier to make space for people choosing micromobility, who are more likely to do this for short trips.
@@samuelitooooo point taken, who knows what will happen but nobody that really cares will listen to us anyway
Honestly great idea. I take the Q52/53 to school every day, and this could help with congestion on the buses. Even though I probably won't be using these buses in the coming years, (since I'm graduating in 2023) this plan could really help others who take the buses.
Yes they made a great mistake. When the Long Island Railroad constructed the railroad line, ridership was decent and at least made a pretty ok amount of profit. The only thing the made ridership fall was the fire of Jamaica Bay, because the LIRR was too broke to fix it. From 1955 to 1962 it basically only served from Rego Park to Ozone Park, which is mostly half of the original line. This is what lowered ridership. Now with the populations increase, the traffic AND overcrowded buses, utilizing the ROW would be a ethical and impactful idea. The greenway is also a great idea, but putting it in the way of possible profitable transit isn’t such a good one. Whether it were to be LIRR or MTA Subway, or even a freaking Trolly, Having something to transport people through the middle of queens, with plenty of other transit connections (Atlantic Branch LIRR, Air-train, and A train), would be an amazing idea and it’s unfortunate that they believe this path that they are taking is the better option
I feel like if we make enough noise, they will change it.
I live in Chelsea the High Line goes over my street. It's also a public park funded privately.
Frankly I would like every letter of the english language to have a designated route. Also maybe my recent idea could be a monorail system. In the monorail scheme Northern Blvd line should also start in Manhattan 34th and Tenth, go along 34th St. ,eastward into Northern Blvd into Junction Blvd.
This Queensway plan dose'nt make any sense. There's plenty of parks in area. Why cause more headaches for the people who live close the Ex Far-Rockaway Beach needs more Subway or Rail Connection. The J/Z A are over pack. This Revibe of the Far-Rock Branch will be great to be extened to To Manhattan via Eastside accse .
Where is the link to sign for petition?
NYC’s made a lot more than one big mistake…
The train is the obvious best choice. Which, no doubt, is why the government went the other way. So a few NIMBYs can have more ridiculously expensive green space.
Hochul AT LEAST did a good job on announcing useful projects for nyc like the IBX and even Penn renovations doesn’t look half bad. (still has her flaws tho and not a good governor)
Adams on the other hand is what? Adding more green space. Nyc is already pretty green and has loads of parks. We really don’t need another one. And yet he approved QUEENSWAY. Why? And I thought he was suppose to improve the subway.
Hate both hochul and adams but I have a sense hatred on adams more than hochul
Hello from Kansas 🇺🇸 rail line with green park area for such a cost of EXISTING right of way and infrastructure
Yes, a disappointing, and irreversible mistake for sure. But I would have preferred they reactivate the branch for the LIRR and have instead terminate in the central terminal area of JFK, thus finally providing what every other major world city already has: a direct, one-seat ride from the airport to the city center.
Have cycled for transport all my life. In the greater Boston area, many rights of way were acquired by the Commonwealth for for transit expansion following the highway revolt back in the '70s.
They are all being converted to trails, The cycling advocacy groups as dupes of highway lobby, and do NIMBY's dirty work of railway eradication; with a "nudge/wink" about preservation of the corridor. When I advocated to preserve the railways in these corridors during trail development, I learned that local opposition to trail development vanishes when a study is launched to re-activate the line, and railway removal is preferred .
This ghettoizes non motor mobility, and disregards the synergy with walking, cycling, and mass transit, to sustain supportive land use patterns.
This is a mistake, a subway line is needed to fill in the large space that has no subway access in Queens and Brooklyn, it could also make it easier for residents along that corridor to get to JFK airport and the rockaways quicker without having the need to take a bus on Woodhaven BLVD that get very full and have to deal with traffic along the way
Of course they’ve made a huge mistake. MTA didn’t fully make this corridor a huge priority and as always underestimating transit needs
They not underestimating anything they just don’t care
@@qjtvaddictIt’s just the mayor
So they complain about the buses but when the opportunity comes for a potentially better means of crossing the borough they say no. Plain stupid if you ask me. Not to mention that that deactivation could potentially relieve the A line of some of its passengers that wouldn’t necessarily have to use that line now. Plus, the city has too many parks as it is. And no, nature and transit don’t mix, especially near the third rail or any type of train tracks for that matter. This so called “park” is another waste of money and another spot for crimes to happen when Adams is out of office. Just saying.
Hm, crowded buses along abandoned right of way?
Needs more grass.
Personally, the queenslink is way better, providing commuters a better chance to connect, just as u said in this vid
0:41 why there is the soviet metro train 81-717?
Yes!
Yes they did. We need more transit not more parks in borough that have many parklands
Cool
I WANT TO SEE A RAIL LINE
I'm choosing to hold out hope that enough of a fire can be lit under the rears of enough important people or planners involved in this concept to eventually marry the green spaces to elegant concrete elevated structures along the branch but honest to God NYC fumbled the bag here and then some.
While I'm not 100% of the opinion that the QueensLink idea as it exists should be the play to make (there's a proposal I've been flirting with sharing somewhere that'd create a Far Rockaway/Breezy Point pair service which would inherit the entire stretch from the current A and travel along the RBB ROW to LaGuardia Airport and potentially in the future crosstown the South Bronx with a terminus in Upper Manhattan), it was a very necessary first step towards any idea like my own while also addressing real issues with currently oversaturated motor corridors and the "transit equitable and green" focuses the MTA had been parroting off for the last few years.
Any plan for the city that does not include substantial expansion to the subway network while also further canonizing the need for motor vehicles in places like the deeper Queens area is myopic and should be treated with contempt.
Herd one official say split the plan meanin build both. Best idea yet
I don’t know why NYC loves putting gardens on old ugly stilts. IMO either have a train good enough to offset the effect on local areas, or disassemble the whole thing
Edit - having said that, a light rail or tram going through an also walkable garden might be a nice compromise
The supporters of Queensway were caught saying they didn't want POC coming to their areas. They are afraid another subway line would bring more POC into their neighborhood. Queenslink is a must.
Understand we are talking about NYC and NYS. Practical solutions never happen, the project that gets selected is the one that lines Eric Adams and Kathy Hochuls pocket books the most
If I remember correctly, I could definitely be wrong, I’m pretty sure Hochul supported Queenslink, but Adams made it go to a park
It all comes down to money. Queensway Project i believe is significantly cheaper than the QueensLink do to all the work they have to do to re-active a line and build new infrastructure there
THE WHAT TRAIN? no way
NYC needs better rapid transit, not a green space coverup. The opinions of a few NIMBYs and politicians should not be representative of what the people want.
This is an enormous mistake. This does more for tourists than it does for the people that have to live here and move around here.
Also, a great haven for stick up kids and robberies.
The Queenslink plan is much better than the Queensway. Queens has so much park space. Flushing Meadows Corona Park? Forest Park? Kissena Corridor Park? Alley Pond Park? Cunningham Park? We seriously do not need a High Line type park like the one in Manhattan. And The Queenslink plan incorporates green space for walking, biking, exercise, etc. And yes, I have already signed the petition for Queenslink by the time I post this comment.
NYC is acctually putting the queens link subway and not the high line 😊
I have been out of the city 30 years now. You're telling me there is no longer a subway to Rockaway? What about the beach traffic all summer? How are Rockaway residents commuting to the city? This is unbelievable to me. I used to go with my father to Aqueduct and Playland on the A line. I knew they closed Aqueduct station years ago but the whole line? It was once LIRR. If folks stopped using it it is because after Jamacia it goes through some high crime neighborhoods.They should have had an express train running non stop after Broad Channel to Manhattan.
There’s a subway to Rockaway in the form of the A train, but it’s not the quickest way there.