ps2 version looks like dogshit.... dipped in orange juice, i dont get the double standard of people here theyll simp for the orange filter for sanandreas but theyll criticize the piss filter of nfs mostwanted, deus ex and blue filter in battlefield 3.....i prefer sanandreas pc more because they didnt over do the postprocessing and we also get the extra draw distance there.....
@@bmqww223i like the color of those games especially bf3 damn that and bf4 need a remake from the og developers, same with far cry 2 cuz thats another classic that people hated on (randomly started getting praise in 2018) but i agree the ps2 sanandreas looks bad i always hated how the cop car and everything else looks black at 2:46
@@libertycitygoon320 Not realism real life tends to be much prettier than a lot of these games the problem is developers relying on pre built tools and doing the bare minimum instead of having an artist go in and make things look as good as they can It's a problem of profits over passion and artistry.
@@theninjamaster67 such as ray tracing when it absolutely annihilates performance instead of using older methods that are far far less taxing on performance just because it's easier to implement
@@ViceHacks Yes exactly it's been proven time and time again that good baked lighting done by hand by an artist can and will look better than a bland lazy implementation of ray tracing which spoiler alert also needs an artist touch to make it actually look good.
I remember that the PC version of Vice City didnt had that effect and was confused as to why the clearly superior platform had way less effects than the PS2 originals.
And I hope if they do its kept optional. I remeber hating how greasy it made the screen look while driving. Just this mesh of halftones floating around at sub 30 fps on 480 screen
11:25 that vibrant purple color contrasting with the desert was one of my favorite sights maybe in all the game history, nothing can compete with that GTA timecyc and the vibes they give to you, i also remember the orange sky to a more "red" tone when i was in the countryside too, which was so stunning even for a game released two decades ago.
The game actually looks enjoyable now. But this is because this update was done by Rockstar themselves. If you noticed, they got rid of the Grove Street Games splash screen in the intro, and the rumors for about a year now is that GSG was just consolidated into Rockstar proper and their employees were just moved to the nearest sub-studio, which imo is what shouldve been what happened in the first place. The game could've launched like this had Rockstar just done it themselves and not outsourced the project to the dolts who made the terrible mobile and 7th gen ports.
@mr.nuggies3087 Yep. It was Video Games Deluxe, who was formed by a collective of ex-Team Bondi devs (L.A. Noire), in 2017, VGD released The VR Case Files. They took over the project and released the trilogy DE on mobile first. This patch has a lot of the fixes from that mobile port, but with SO MUCH MORE.
The ceo of grove street games has claimed they made the patch back in 2023 before they spilt from rockstar to work on the switch port of ark survival. Apparently according to him rockstar had purposefully withheld the patch till they could legally remove their logo from the games to win over some good publicity for rockstar.
@nonaborhan7269 it was a official Rockstar Games patch made by themselves, if u noticed in the mobile port it's the same weather as LS anywhere in the map, but for pc Rockstar Games took the time to release a patch for these defective edition games.
The fog & Lighting hiding LOD makes the OG san andrease massive for me as a kid since i barley came off of gta v on the 360. made it have more verticality compared to city’s in gta v.
PS2 has this file "seabed" wich controls the render distance wich was very low in the ps2 version (longer in the og PC version). This would make the sun appear bigger and the objects like trees will render even at lower distances wich contributed to make the world to appear bigger than it was. The trilogy doesn't use that file for the render distance, since now that is handled by unreal engine, the only solution is to use fog wich is not the same. It makes all look foggy but still an upgrade.
I really appreciate this since before the trilogy, a lot of people played the PC version and I hated it since that wasn't the San Andreas. I grown up playing and I wanted people to have that feeling that the PS2 version had so now for first time players they can understand why we loved these games so much it's not just the gameplay but the atmosphere that define these games too
Now if only they can fix the character models looking like doodoo ass clay and replace the outdated animations from goddamn 2 decades ago. But I guess that's asking for too much.
@@gibleymanI honestly think they will slowly work on that while also adding ragdoll physics. Maybe thats be a bit too optimistic but I think that if they worked this hard to iron out the details, why not upgrade just a tad bit more to make it an actual option to replay the trilogy with a better foundation
We've seen some comprehensive videos on the new patch, but it's really great to see a "vibe cheak" video to see all of the returning weather effects. Fantastic work, as always. Los Santos has a really cozy feel late at night with the big moon. It's good to see it back. Overall, the original generally looks slightly better in terms of the environment & vibe, with classic lighting on. But it's very well implemented generally. With this patch, I think I ever-so-slightly prefer how Las Ventures looks now, ESPECIALLY at night, the original lighting & sky, with the new textures, 3D signs/billboards, and updated building LEDs, work so well together imo. And since we don't have many modern titles set in Las Vegas, it's awesome to see that refined look.
The graphics without the classic lighting looks alright the only problem is the draw distance They should add the fog to the normal lighting as well it will look so much better and also increase the fog's density too or give us the option to choose the fog density
They did add fog with new lighting, you can’t see SF from LS, and you can’t see LS from the desert, the only thing you can really see is mount chilliand from all the cities, which honestly looks fine to me
I completely agree! The default lighting is great, but there should be an option to add fog, and the rain and sandstorm effects should be improved in the default lighting as well.
The pre patch version looks more realistic but not as "artistic". Honestly I think the classic lighting overdoes it. I think if they decreased the draw distance and added some more restrained classic lighting effects the pre patch graphics would be perfect. My biggest complaint before was definitely the draw distance. Being able to see the whole map from the top of a building was a bit too much.
@@Name-kd5jj I think that classic lighting has solved many of the problems that standard lighting has. However, many players like me want to play with the standard lightning but with the classic lightning improvements. I want to play with standard lighting, but with better rain and sandstorm effects, and with the option to add fog.
I'm very glad they did this. PS2 version (or the PC PS2 mod) is still goated, but I'm so happy they did this. These days I have more responsibilities but better weed, so I'm going to do my best to enjoy this again. I'd love all the music back, but life is tough.
Whatever team did this I REALLY hope they keep cooking. I haven't touched the definitive edition at all, I "acquired" them when it came out and got turned off. Seeing SA in the pre-update status, man. It really kills the magic, I'm glad I never sunk time into it. I think this new classic lighting really nailed the classic look, keeping the illusion of a big map, while giving us a little more breathing room without hardware limitations. Again whoever did this (who knows since GSG is now off the title stream) is absolutely heading in the right direction and they absolutely need to keep it up.
I’ve been wanting to be the trilogy but been holding off. I was about to buy it last month. 😂 finally bought it after the update dropped. The game was on sale too 😅
I still remember playing gta sa for the first time and I tried to cross the first section of map and as soon I left that section. I hop on a train so police can't kill me and I ended up in the desert and it was that purple night. Man that was the best thing I've ever seen in any game. What a vibe that was.
The only major thing left to fix now (apart from the areas where rocks and grass are hovering meters above the ground etc) is the characters that look like molten mannekins. The rest looks perfectly fine for a "definitive edition" imo!
Was gonna cop the OG Xbox versions but was kinda distraught at how that version of San Andreas lacks the cyan and orange color pallete. So seeing this update I think I'll finally cop The Definitive Edition. Only downside is the missing songs but luckily I only care about Billie Jean and Runnin Down a Dream. Are you an artist? I love how you describe the scenes.
The only other main gripe for me still is the character models look infinitely worse than the original in all cases, let’s hope there not done making changes and updates
Another RUclipsr said that the controls were simplified for smartphones and then brought to consoles, making some tasks too easy, so they still need to restore that.
It's beyond crazy it took Rockstar 3 years to fix the joke they launched with the definitive edition. This company makes millions per day. It would take a small team of programmers maybe a few weeks if not days to get right
Game is STILL BROKEN!!! Ambulances do not SPAWN to rescue peds on SA and VC im sick of mentioning this on every channel , not ONe, 1 RUclipsr has mentioned this issue and I’ve watched loads of videos on this update. The game is still broken , glitches galore that I’ve captured lol fk this game I’ve had it
@@jonisalia15Thats a pretty big deal. How do you expect to be immersed in the world if real world things don’t happen in the game? Let alone the mental doubt of if this thing is broken what else am I missing out on?
@ The games are broken it bugs the crap outta me it’s so fkn amateur not to fix this glaring gameplay issue. Fk it I play the OG unfucked verisons Maybe it don’t bother you playing broken shite but it bothers me
This GTA Trilogy seems like it's finally ready to be purchased. I remember I was planning on getting it at launch, but when I seen how many bugs it had, I chose to hold off on it. The classic lighting definitely makes a huge difference. The game now looks good and gives me that warm nostalgia I felt back when originally playing San Andreas on PS2.
Yeah I just got them for ps4 and playing sa for the first time, I’m gonna pretend that this is the unofficial launch version and that any new updates from the new dev team are updating from the launch.
Same. I was one of those people ready to buy it on release but saw how much of a laughing stock it was and saved my money. I still dont think its worth $60 but im definitely getting it on sale.
It was alr ready over a year ago i bought it and had 0 bugs when i first bought it i did have occasional bugs but they have all been fixed for more than a year now
I honestly like the farther draw distance, I like being able to see a good part of the city, not just a block in front of me. The lack of effects before the patch just made it look ugly and bland. The newer effects look better while maintaining a farther draw distance.
I think as someone who hasn't a "nostalgia" view on this game the classic lighting in the definitive edition is good now. I don't think the game needs a draw distance of 2m and a wall of bright orange fog like in the original. Remember that definitive edition is a "enhanced" version of the original and not a 1:1 copy. It should be modernized with the feel of the original.
I was in the middle of playing through the remaster for the first time when this dropped. When I saw those OG sand storm effects it made me so happy lol. And those weird ass birds that remind me of a pterodactyl, I love they brought those back.
The llighting might be unrealistic but it looks sooooo good. Kinda has the same effect like the Red Dead 1 Ragdolls compared to Red Dead 2. They are way more unrealistic, but funnier in every aspect
Great comparison Captain! The change in lighting and the reduction of the draw distance was a much needed change to these editions. This shows that bigger is not always better, it also shows that artstyle is way more important than realism in videogames. I would take that unrelealistic purple sky any day rather than a pure blue sky with some white blobs scattered around, I could do that IRL thank you very much :|
What i find funny is, on pc you see people cut all the "classic lighting" for a cleaner look which is what the remasters did yet people bitched about it lol.
This has given me a push to finally buy these games - never played the trilogy before and was worried that the remaster wouldn't be faithful enough to the original.
Idk how people like the PS2 lighting everything looks so orange it hurts my eyes that’s why I say people are driven by nostalgia, maybe because I didn’t play the PS2 version I don’t consider it good. I like that they gave u an option to choose between the lighting and I am sticking with the lighting from the DE, I can always switch it to the classic if I want
I was born after gta sa was released and i have never played the ps2 version and i can say that it looks way better than the pc and xbox versions which didnt have orange lighting and the classic lighting is so awesome cuz now i can experince what i have never gotten to experince before it really was bland and soulless
I do regret playing the DE triology last year to completion as i don't fancy going through them again so soon, i had good time with them, they were (mostly) bug free when i played, but i wish i could have driven around a more grimey liberty city in my play through. Tried driving around on my completed save but keep getting shot at by the gang members ive antagonised 😂
It looks better - there's no denying that, especially with the implementation of the classic lighting fix - but there are still a lot of issues that need fixing. I haven't been out and bought the trilogy even though I really want to because I'd like to think there will be additional patches incoming, but I'm not convinced R* will be doing much more if anything with the games 🤷🏻♂️
Looks good... A classic/remastered option for the physics would be nice (better car physics/euphoria ragdoll). If R* really wanted to outdo themselves they could pass the city maps through their asset teams and clean up the PS2 era geometry. Other than that... NPC and vehicle draw distance could probably be improved and there's some kind of spectral map from the sun thats still present in shadows that irks me. :p
Maybe it's just me that works in actual film production but the new sunset in looks overexposed and almost leaving a "hotspot" on screen. The old is very subtle and still impactful - real cinematography.
@@Lordicus21 Why? The map is very small, the fog helps hide the fact that you can see the major cities from many parts where you really shouldn't. Good LOD or not.
this really goes to show the power of emulation, emulation pretty much remasters classic games as is, retaining almost all of what made classic games gorgeous for the time while adding the resolution our eyes need these days, emulation is awesome. Glad to see they have given the definitive edition some love though, it needed it and now i might buy it.
I still think the originals look a little better. The new super detailed textures don’t work that well with the simplistic yet exaggerated 3D models and animations of the game. I would still consider the post-patch version of the def edition to be completely enjoyable though.
You can get the PS2 Graphics back to 2005 PC Port with mods like SkyGFX and files from PS2, it look very good and can take advantage of mods to make it look even better nowdays.
I still think the lighting could be better with less of the UE4 look and more of a stylized yet more modern lighting look than it has but this is a massive improvement
It would be such a small change but making the game ground a little darker in the rural areas and San Fierro would pretty much make the new lighting perfect This is the only thing that is bothering me, how “bright” the game looks when the original was very dark (sometimes to the point where the characters were just a silhouette lol) Great patch nevertheless, they pretty much nailed the atmosphere of those “welcome to the 80’s” gta videos that people offered compared to the remasters
oh cool they fixed the GTA remakes that released earlier this yea- 'It's been a hair over 3 years since the Grand Theft Auto trilogy the definitive edition launched' WHAT
I feel crazy for saying this but I really want to play this game now. I first played the OG SA on the PC version so I never had every lighting effect but this is how I remember the game looking as a kid.
Mmh, its a big improvement, but I still think its not fully capture the og vibe. I think its just too bright and too low contrast-ish? Like the og visual has good balance between light and dark values, but the DE's new lighting still looks very muted because the dark values are too much on the midtone area, not dark enough. I think its impossible to perfectly recapture the og visual, since the og visuals are pretty much baked, allowing more control on how the scene would've looked. Something that was a common sense in its era, but would totally make no sense to use for a game with this scale in modern engine like unreal.
I think they actually did a very reasonable job balancing the draw distance & the fog. I think being able to see the top of Mt chilliad isn't a bad thing either. Having some landmarks just barely there in the fog makes it look more "filled". Too bad the actual LOD's are still far below the original games "not great" LOD's. 😅
Maybe this is just me but as someone who played the originals ever since I was 6 back in the day I actually enjoy the definitive version more now than the originals don’t get me wrong the originals will always be so nostalgic for me but I prefer these newer versions I’ll still play both depending on the mood
Finally. I have been (admittedly) complaining about the lack of fog/haze, and the immersion killing draw distance issues since day one of the definitive edition. Thank god they finally fixed it. I will say, however, that the draw distance should be obscured a little more; or at least available as an option. (classic draw distance, or something)
I think this proves how important lighting is in cinematic videogames. It completely changes the vibe one has playing them. Batman Arkham Knight is a great example of this, it has such great lighting, it STILL looks like a modern AAA game that could've launched this year...and still would look better than almost everything!
I think this happened because Rockstar finally had the resources to dedicate to fixing this thing. They were all hands on deck for GTA 6, but not that it's largely in Q/A and Bug Testing, I am so grateful they managed to get some people to fix GSG's mess. Going forward, I can imagine they're going to keep making small fixes/tweaks to these games. Any future ports are probably just going to be handled by Double Eleven, and they would be just that, ports.
Drawn distance is worse in the PS2 for buildings yet better for cars...crazy how in the trilogy you still can't see cars from too far in a new gen console, in fact it's worse.
Im still amazed how modern hardware needs LODs for a 2004 game. If anything they should be able to instantly load the entire San Andreas map at once with maximum LOD.
4:25 Looks the opposite to me, the bottom of the skybox is not anywhere close to orange on The Definitive Edition, but you can see a gradient from the gray-green-teal top to the orange bottom on the PS2 emulation.
So glad i played san andreas with sky gfx on pc. I especially loved sky gfx (ps2 weather colors mod) in the desert day time its yeallow and night time its purple, but the original pc version of og san andreas had day time in white sky and night just dark green which looked awful, and the trilogy remaster looked even worse, thank god they added classic lighting back. But they could of kept the night clouds on cuase they looked pretty good in my opinion and also i heard that vice city night sky looks much better without the classic lighting because classic lighting disables clouds.
I've been looking for this comparison for days, youtube was recommending me tons of useless videos comparing the definitive edition with itself before the patch, which makes no sense to me because I just want to know if the remake is worth playing now vs just emulating the ps2 version or the original pc port with skygfx
They did a good job on the classic lighting for ps5 and for PC, what can't be said about the mobile versions, all three cities have the same green color, and I hope they will also bring different classic lighting for san fierro, and Las venturas to the mobile version too
Jeez didn't remember the ps2 version looking that bad it's like there was a sky wall of fog right in front of you that blinded you jusy so you couldn't see anything in the distance. The new patch of the DE really did a great job
they updated so much for good, but the LOD system still f'ed up to the max there's too much pop in for that much clarity. i really hope they tinker with it further, so this game will be what it should have been from the beginning. or maybe modders will have more fun now to create stuff for this game
Bro you shouldn't use hardware mode on PCSX2 when doing comparisons, always prefer software mode which is guaranteed to be accurate when the hardware renderers (even OpenGL/Vulkan) still have mistakes. Like 3:18 looks much too dark than it's supposed to be on a real console.
This is not PCSX2. This is the emulator made by Sony for the PS5. I have no control. Also from footage I’ve seen from a real console it looks just as dark.
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Actually unreal how much difference lighting can make to a scene. UNREAL it took this long for it to be like this.
GTA San Andreas already did this in 2004 on PS2
Unreal 4
i see what you did there
The definitive edition was the last game I preordered, learned my lesson but glad it’s getting fixed.
@@Dave_Albrightthats the point genius
The ps2 version never ceases to look gorgeous
PS2 version will always look better, but Definitive Edition seems to heading right direction.
Personally, I think the definitive edition now looks better than PS2.
ps2 version looks like dogshit.... dipped in orange juice, i dont get the double standard of people here theyll simp for the orange filter for sanandreas but theyll criticize the piss filter of nfs mostwanted, deus ex and blue filter in battlefield 3.....i prefer sanandreas pc more because they didnt over do the postprocessing and we also get the extra draw distance there.....
@@bmqww223i like the color of those games especially bf3 damn that and bf4 need a remake from the og developers, same with far cry 2 cuz thats another classic that people hated on (randomly started getting praise in 2018) but i agree the ps2 sanandreas looks bad i always hated how the cop car and everything else looks black at 2:46
@@bmqww223Yeah but in this "definitive" edition you don't have much choice. Classic Lightings beat the default one by a thousand miles.
Thank you for using the PS2 Version of GTA SA, because the PC port in 2005 already lost some effects.
True. Original PC port with mod that restores PS2 effects is my favourite way to play GTA trilogy.
@@777THEMESSAGEISCLEAR doesn't emulation mess up some effects as well? Or there is a fix for that?
@@777THEMESSAGEISCLEARWhy? PC with mods is FAR superior.
@@777THEMESSAGEISCLEARsorry but pc with skygfx mod is more superior and customizable too. Plus modding capabilities for the pc version is endless.
Install the SkyGFX mod and you're good to go
It sucks we had to wait so long but it's kind cool that we get this as an example of how important artistry and stylization is to game design.
Realism is messing up games
@@libertycitygoon320 Not realism real life tends to be much prettier than a lot of these games the problem is developers relying on pre built tools and doing the bare minimum instead of having an artist go in and make things look as good as they can It's a problem of profits over passion and artistry.
@@theninjamaster67 such as ray tracing when it absolutely annihilates performance instead of using older methods that are far far less taxing on performance just because it's easier to implement
@@ViceHacks Yes exactly it's been proven time and time again that good baked lighting done by hand by an artist can and will look better than a bland lazy implementation of ray tracing which spoiler alert also needs an artist touch to make it actually look good.
I hope they bring back the extreme lens flare effect in cars in Vice city and GTA III, that’s an effect so unique en the first two games
And the old newspapers and garbage floating around on the roads in III. It gave it a more lived in feel.
I remember that the PC version of Vice City didnt had that effect and was confused as to why the clearly superior platform had way less effects than the PS2 originals.
And I hope if they do its kept optional. I remeber hating how greasy it made the screen look while driving. Just this mesh of halftones floating around at sub 30 fps on 480 screen
8:47 Finally you cant see Mount Chiliad from Las Venturas
On a CRT the orange sky blends even better...
Playing the PS2 version on Retroarch + CRT Hylian shader is gorgeous indeed
11:25 that vibrant purple color contrasting with the desert was one of my favorite sights maybe in all the game history, nothing can compete with that GTA timecyc and the vibes they give to you, i also remember the orange sky to a more "red" tone when i was in the countryside too, which was so stunning even for a game released two decades ago.
Props to Video Games Deluxe who are now the main actors patching this version of the game, along with a few other studios.
Did they work on the RDR port too?
12:08 That suddenly got existential, the pause after you said that too 😂
The game actually looks enjoyable now. But this is because this update was done by Rockstar themselves. If you noticed, they got rid of the Grove Street Games splash screen in the intro, and the rumors for about a year now is that GSG was just consolidated into Rockstar proper and their employees were just moved to the nearest sub-studio, which imo is what shouldve been what happened in the first place. The game could've launched like this had Rockstar just done it themselves and not outsourced the project to the dolts who made the terrible mobile and 7th gen ports.
Apparently it was the people who made LA noire vr
@mr.nuggies3087 Yep. It was Video Games Deluxe, who was formed by a collective of ex-Team Bondi devs (L.A. Noire), in 2017, VGD released The VR Case Files.
They took over the project and released the trilogy DE on mobile first. This patch has a lot of the fixes from that mobile port, but with SO MUCH MORE.
The ceo of grove street games has claimed they made the patch back in 2023 before they spilt from rockstar to work on the switch port of ark survival. Apparently according to him rockstar had purposefully withheld the patch till they could legally remove their logo from the games to win over some good publicity for rockstar.
Rockstar didn't made this dude. They published it
@nonaborhan7269 it was a official Rockstar Games patch made by themselves, if u noticed in the mobile port it's the same weather as LS anywhere in the map, but for pc Rockstar Games took the time to release a patch for these defective edition games.
The fog & Lighting hiding LOD makes the OG san andrease massive for me as a kid since i barley came off of gta v on the 360. made it have more verticality compared to city’s in gta v.
First person made me not want to go back to the 360 GTA V
PS2 has this file "seabed" wich controls the render distance wich was very low in the ps2 version (longer in the og PC version). This would make the sun appear bigger and the objects like trees will render even at lower distances wich contributed to make the world to appear bigger than it was.
The trilogy doesn't use that file for the render distance, since now that is handled by unreal engine, the only solution is to use fog wich is not the same. It makes all look foggy but still an upgrade.
I really appreciate this since before the trilogy, a lot of people played the PC version and I hated it since that wasn't the San Andreas. I grown up playing and I wanted people to have that feeling that the PS2 version had so now for first time players they can understand why we loved these games so much it's not just the gameplay but the atmosphere that define these games too
This game actually looks pretty nice now
Agreed
Now if only they can fix the character models looking like doodoo ass clay and
replace the outdated animations from goddamn 2 decades ago.
But I guess that's asking for too much.
@@gibleymanI honestly think they will slowly work on that while also adding ragdoll physics. Maybe thats be a bit too optimistic but I think that if they worked this hard to iron out the details, why not upgrade just a tad bit more to make it an actual option to replay the trilogy with a better foundation
Nope, still looks like Sims 3
Nope, they fed you dog shit and then they put some sprinkles on top of it to make you feel better but it's still shit.
We've seen some comprehensive videos on the new patch, but it's really great to see a "vibe cheak" video to see all of the returning weather effects. Fantastic work, as always. Los Santos has a really cozy feel late at night with the big moon. It's good to see it back.
Overall, the original generally looks slightly better in terms of the environment & vibe, with classic lighting on. But it's very well implemented generally. With this patch, I think I ever-so-slightly prefer how Las Ventures looks now, ESPECIALLY at night, the original lighting & sky, with the new textures, 3D signs/billboards, and updated building LEDs, work so well together imo. And since we don't have many modern titles set in Las Vegas, it's awesome to see that refined look.
The graphics without the classic lighting looks alright the only problem is the draw distance
They should add the fog to the normal lighting as well it will look so much better and also increase the fog's density too or give us the option to choose the fog density
They did add fog with new lighting, you can’t see SF from LS, and you can’t see LS from the desert, the only thing you can really see is mount chilliand from all the cities, which honestly looks fine to me
@SleepyjoeOG I know I mean with the regular lighting not the classic lighting
I completely agree! The default lighting is great, but there should be an option to add fog, and the rain and sandstorm effects should be improved in the default lighting as well.
The pre patch version looks more realistic but not as "artistic". Honestly I think the classic lighting overdoes it. I think if they decreased the draw distance and added some more restrained classic lighting effects the pre patch graphics would be perfect. My biggest complaint before was definitely the draw distance. Being able to see the whole map from the top of a building was a bit too much.
@@Name-kd5jj I think that classic lighting has solved many of the problems that standard lighting has. However, many players like me want to play with the standard lightning but with the classic lightning improvements. I want to play with standard lighting, but with better rain and sandstorm effects, and with the option to add fog.
I'm very glad they did this. PS2 version (or the PC PS2 mod) is still goated, but I'm so happy they did this.
These days I have more responsibilities but better weed, so I'm going to do my best to enjoy this again. I'd love all the music back, but life is tough.
Whatever team did this I REALLY hope they keep cooking. I haven't touched the definitive edition at all, I "acquired" them when it came out and got turned off. Seeing SA in the pre-update status, man. It really kills the magic, I'm glad I never sunk time into it. I think this new classic lighting really nailed the classic look, keeping the illusion of a big map, while giving us a little more breathing room without hardware limitations. Again whoever did this (who knows since GSG is now off the title stream) is absolutely heading in the right direction and they absolutely need to keep it up.
Bought the trilogy 3 years ago but never got into them til now, thanks to this patch
I’ve been wanting to be the trilogy but been holding off. I was about to buy it last month. 😂 finally bought it after the update dropped. The game was on sale too 😅
I actually waited for someone going in depth, glad it was you, thank you
I still remember playing gta sa for the first time and I tried to cross the first section of map and as soon I left that section. I hop on a train so police can't kill me and I ended up in the desert and it was that purple night. Man that was the best thing I've ever seen in any game. What a vibe that was.
@@yeahyyboii9524 that's the ballas. They took over the sky
You rode a train to the desert the first time you played?
The only major thing left to fix now (apart from the areas where rocks and grass are hovering meters above the ground etc) is the characters that look like molten mannekins. The rest looks perfectly fine for a "definitive edition" imo!
I imagine a big reason this took as long as it did was because the new team had to find everything Grove Street Games screwed up in the first place.
Mhhh...Now thats what i wanted. Maybe 20% more Draw-Distance in the Classic Lightning for bigger Buildings, but im glad we got the "good vibes" back.
Nah the draw distance should only be a little more than the original which it is rn
Was gonna cop the OG Xbox versions but was kinda distraught at how that version of San Andreas lacks the cyan and orange color pallete. So seeing this update I think I'll finally cop The Definitive Edition. Only downside is the missing songs but luckily I only care about Billie Jean and Runnin Down a Dream. Are you an artist? I love how you describe the scenes.
The only other main gripe for me still is the character models look infinitely worse than the original in all cases, let’s hope there not done making changes and updates
@DanRan98 Oh true
Such a high quality video man!
Another RUclipsr said that the controls were simplified for smartphones and then brought to consoles, making some tasks too easy, so they still need to restore that.
This video "warms" my heart.
It's beyond crazy it took Rockstar 3 years to fix the joke they launched with the definitive edition.
This company makes millions per day. It would take a small team of programmers maybe a few weeks if not days to get right
GTA 6? y’all mfs keep forgetting that plus they had to deal with GSG and get them out the way this is take two fault not rockstar
I'm testing them now and it's finally time to replay these games.. This looks pretty good
Game is STILL BROKEN!!! Ambulances do not SPAWN to rescue peds on SA and VC im sick of mentioning this on every channel , not ONe, 1 RUclipsr has mentioned this issue and I’ve watched loads of videos on this update.
The game is still broken , glitches galore that I’ve captured lol fk this game I’ve had it
Just bc an ambulance don't spawn to rescue someone doesn't mean the game is broken. Who cares about that
@@jonisalia15Thats a pretty big deal. How do you expect to be immersed in the world if real world things don’t happen in the game? Let alone the mental doubt of if this thing is broken what else am I missing out on?
@ The games are broken it bugs the crap outta me it’s so fkn amateur not to fix this glaring gameplay issue. Fk it I play the OG unfucked verisons
Maybe it don’t bother you playing broken shite but it bothers me
Didn’t have that problem so idk
This GTA Trilogy seems like it's finally ready to be purchased. I remember I was planning on getting it at launch, but when I seen how many bugs it had, I chose to hold off on it.
The classic lighting definitely makes a huge difference. The game now looks good and gives me that warm nostalgia I felt back when originally playing San Andreas on PS2.
Yeah I just got them for ps4 and playing sa for the first time, I’m gonna pretend that this is the unofficial launch version and that any new updates from the new dev team are updating from the launch.
Same. I was one of those people ready to buy it on release but saw how much of a laughing stock it was and saved my money. I still dont think its worth $60 but im definitely getting it on sale.
It was alr ready over a year ago i bought it and had 0 bugs when i first bought it i did have occasional bugs but they have all been fixed for more than a year now
pre patch mode just break my imagination about the map
im so glad they fixed it. ive been playing it again and am having a ball
I honestly like the farther draw distance, I like being able to see a good part of the city, not just a block in front of me.
The lack of effects before the patch just made it look ugly and bland. The newer effects look better while maintaining a farther draw distance.
yeah I can see that but it breaks immersion for me at the edge of the city being able to see stuff that should be so far
Yeah, it breaks the illusion of scale
I think as someone who hasn't a "nostalgia" view on this game the classic lighting in the definitive edition is good now. I don't think the game needs a draw distance of 2m and a wall of bright orange fog like in the original. Remember that definitive edition is a "enhanced" version of the original and not a 1:1 copy. It should be modernized with the feel of the original.
Its garbage discusting garbGe
But it doesnt have a low draw distance, it just that the fog covers the long distance but you can still see everything from afar just barely
@@voodoo2006 Say you don't understand what he just said without saying it.
I was in the middle of playing through the remaster for the first time when this dropped. When I saw those OG sand storm effects it made me so happy lol. And those weird ass birds that remind me of a pterodactyl, I love they brought those back.
Please make one for at least Vice City, nobody else is making these as in-depth.
Yup, why only San Andreas?
Great video, man! I’m replaying the GTA’s on the PS2 at the moment so I can’t wait for the other ones.
This is the comparison video I’ve been waiting for!
Vice City tomorrow!
The llighting might be unrealistic but it looks sooooo good. Kinda has the same effect like the Red Dead 1 Ragdolls compared to Red Dead 2. They are way more unrealistic, but funnier in every aspect
Great comparison Captain!
The change in lighting and the reduction of the draw distance was a much needed change to these editions. This shows that bigger is not always better, it also shows that artstyle is way more important than realism in videogames. I would take that unrelealistic purple sky any day rather than a pure blue sky with some white blobs scattered around, I could do that IRL thank you very much :|
What i find funny is, on pc you see people cut all the "classic lighting" for a cleaner look which is what the remasters did yet people bitched about it lol.
True. The classic lighting option should have always been there from the beginning lol
@@cristhian900 shouldnt even be a option
@@SoSikWitIt But then people would complain that it doesn’t look remastered enough :(
@@cristhian900 it will never be a true remaster cause its on ue5 and not rockstars engine
I dont think renderware code would work on rage.@@SoSikWitIt
Great video deserves a sub already but the Tenacious D reference at the end just made it even better!
I’m SO GLAD someone noticed that! You get the gold star ⭐
@CaptainGlack Haha thanks! I'm a huge San Andreas and Tenacious D fan, how could I not notice hahaha.
I'll be looking forward for your vids!
Great comparison video, well done.
Excellent video. There's still a lot to be made, like the LOD and black holes through the map
The fact that they shipped the way it was is the most amazing part TBH.
This has given me a push to finally buy these games - never played the trilogy before and was worried that the remaster wouldn't be faithful enough to the original.
Now a video for the classic lightning in Vice City and 3 😊
Vice City video should be out tomorrow!
Would be nice to see a similar video for GTA III and Vice City
Just uploaded the Vice City video! Go check it out :)
@@CaptainGlack I see you are saving the best for last then 😏
such an awesome comparison video
Thanks for the comparison, this is the type of video I was looking for.
If only we could get the missing music back though
Idk how people like the PS2 lighting everything looks so orange it hurts my eyes that’s why I say people are driven by nostalgia, maybe because I didn’t play the PS2 version I don’t consider it good. I like that they gave u an option to choose between the lighting and I am sticking with the lighting from the DE, I can always switch it to the classic if I want
I was born after gta sa was released and i have never played the ps2 version and i can say that it looks way better than the pc and xbox versions which didnt have orange lighting and the classic lighting is so awesome cuz now i can experince what i have never gotten to experince before it really was bland and soulless
How tf did I ever play this game on day 1 release!
Classic lightning really makes it look more like the original game
Ty sir I've been searching for this video and i never find one until now
I do regret playing the DE triology last year to completion as i don't fancy going through them again so soon, i had good time with them, they were (mostly) bug free when i played, but i wish i could have driven around a more grimey liberty city in my play through.
Tried driving around on my completed save but keep getting shot at by the gang members ive antagonised 😂
Brings back memories. Also kinda reminds me of Halloween weather on gta 5
It looks better - there's no denying that, especially with the implementation of the classic lighting fix - but there are still a lot of issues that need fixing. I haven't been out and bought the trilogy even though I really want to because I'd like to think there will be additional patches incoming, but I'm not convinced R* will be doing much more if anything with the games 🤷🏻♂️
lovely video, made me want to actually buy this game. subscribed.
Looks good... A classic/remastered option for the physics would be nice (better car physics/euphoria ragdoll). If R* really wanted to outdo themselves they could pass the city maps through their asset teams and clean up the PS2 era geometry.
Other than that... NPC and vehicle draw distance could probably be improved and there's some kind of spectral map from the sun thats still present in shadows that irks me. :p
Maybe it's just me that works in actual film production but the new sunset in looks overexposed and almost leaving a "hotspot" on screen. The old is very subtle and still impactful - real cinematography.
They really should reduce the draw distance even further.
nah, just make some better LOD
maybe 10%. They should fix colors instead, they are only 80% right.
@@Lordicus21 Why? The map is very small, the fog helps hide the fact that you can see the major cities from many parts where you really shouldn't. Good LOD or not.
the exact video I've been waiting for
8:31 the comparison should be made at the same time bro.
this really goes to show the power of emulation, emulation pretty much remasters classic games as is, retaining almost all of what made classic games gorgeous for the time while adding the resolution our eyes need these days, emulation is awesome. Glad to see they have given the definitive edition some love though, it needed it and now i might buy it.
I still think the originals look a little better. The new super detailed textures don’t work that well with the simplistic yet exaggerated 3D models and animations of the game. I would still consider the post-patch version of the def edition to be completely enjoyable though.
You can get the PS2 Graphics back to 2005 PC Port with mods like SkyGFX and files from PS2, it look very good and can take advantage of mods to make it look even better nowdays.
You should do a PS2 vs Definitive Edition vs Original PC+SkyGfx
Or maybe just compare PC+SkyGfx vs PS2. I liked how you did the comparison here
I still think the lighting could be better with less of the UE4 look and more of a stylized yet more modern lighting look than it has but this is a massive improvement
Very good video. GTA V ambience music complements it very well
It would be such a small change but making the game ground a little darker in the rural areas and San Fierro would pretty much make the new lighting perfect
This is the only thing that is bothering me, how “bright” the game looks when the original was very dark (sometimes to the point where the characters were just a silhouette lol)
Great patch nevertheless, they pretty much nailed the atmosphere of those “welcome to the 80’s” gta videos that people offered compared to the remasters
oh cool they fixed the GTA remakes that released earlier this yea-
'It's been a hair over 3 years since the Grand Theft Auto trilogy the definitive edition launched'
WHAT
Rockstar didn't fix the trilogy.
Video Games Deluxe did, team that made LA Noire VR.
They also ruined sounds on weapons like uzi and minigun.
They need to fix camera and flight controls now. Still lots to fix before I’d consider purchasing
I feel crazy for saying this but I really want to play this game now. I first played the OG SA on the PC version so I never had every lighting effect but this is how I remember the game looking as a kid.
Mmh, its a big improvement, but I still think its not fully capture the og vibe. I think its just too bright and too low contrast-ish? Like the og visual has good balance between light and dark values, but the DE's new lighting still looks very muted because the dark values are too much on the midtone area, not dark enough. I think its impossible to perfectly recapture the og visual, since the og visuals are pretty much baked, allowing more control on how the scene would've looked. Something that was a common sense in its era, but would totally make no sense to use for a game with this scale in modern engine like unreal.
Dude if it released like this, it would had been amazing.
Glad to see it in its current state.
I think they actually did a very reasonable job balancing the draw distance & the fog. I think being able to see the top of Mt chilliad isn't a bad thing either. Having some landmarks just barely there in the fog makes it look more "filled".
Too bad the actual LOD's are still far below the original games "not great" LOD's. 😅
Maybe this is just me but as someone who played the originals ever since I was 6 back in the day I actually enjoy the definitive version more now than the originals don’t get me wrong the originals will always be so nostalgic for me but I prefer these newer versions I’ll still play both depending on the mood
Finally. I have been (admittedly) complaining about the lack of fog/haze, and the immersion killing draw distance issues since day one of the definitive edition. Thank god they finally fixed it. I will say, however, that the draw distance should be obscured a little more; or at least available as an option. (classic draw distance, or something)
honestly, it might be time for another playthrough of VC and SA after all these fixes and how much better they look now
Thanks!
Thank you so much!
I think this proves how important lighting is in cinematic videogames.
It completely changes the vibe one has playing them. Batman Arkham Knight is a great example of this, it has such great lighting, it STILL looks like a modern AAA game that could've launched this year...and still would look better than almost everything!
I think this happened because Rockstar finally had the resources to dedicate to fixing this thing. They were all hands on deck for GTA 6, but not that it's largely in Q/A and Bug Testing, I am so grateful they managed to get some people to fix GSG's mess. Going forward, I can imagine they're going to keep making small fixes/tweaks to these games. Any future ports are probably just going to be handled by Double Eleven, and they would be just that, ports.
Drawn distance is worse in the PS2 for buildings yet better for cars...crazy how in the trilogy you still can't see cars from too far in a new gen console, in fact it's worse.
Im still amazed how modern hardware needs LODs for a 2004 game. If anything they should be able to instantly load the entire San Andreas map at once with maximum LOD.
4:25 Looks the opposite to me, the bottom of the skybox is not anywhere close to orange on The Definitive Edition, but you can see a gradient from the gray-green-teal top to the orange bottom on the PS2 emulation.
So glad i played san andreas with sky gfx on pc. I especially loved sky gfx (ps2 weather colors mod) in the desert day time its yeallow and night time its purple, but the original pc version of og san andreas had day time in white sky and night just dark green which looked awful, and the trilogy remaster looked even worse, thank god they added classic lighting back. But they could of kept the night clouds on cuase they looked pretty good in my opinion and also i heard that vice city night sky looks much better without the classic lighting because classic lighting disables clouds.
SkyGFX is great! In my opinion it’s the only way to play on PC. Thanks for watching!
I've been looking for this comparison for days, youtube was recommending me tons of useless videos comparing the definitive edition with itself before the patch, which makes no sense to me because I just want to know if the remake is worth playing now vs just emulating the ps2 version or the original pc port with skygfx
They did a good job on the classic lighting for ps5 and for PC, what can't be said about the mobile versions, all three cities have the same green color, and I hope they will also bring different classic lighting for san fierro, and Las venturas to the mobile version too
nothing replaces the PS2 versions and i think the new update is great, but still, nothing replaces the PS2 versions (especially GTA: San Andreas)
Jeez didn't remember the ps2 version looking that bad it's like there was a sky wall of fog right in front of you that blinded you jusy so you couldn't see anything in the distance. The new patch of the DE really did a great job
I think EA spoiled us with such a great Mass Effect remaster because this feels like the bare minimum for a remaster 😭 maybe I’m in the minority.
they updated so much for good, but the LOD system still f'ed up to the max there's too much pop in for that much clarity.
i really hope they tinker with it further, so this game will be what it should have been from the beginning.
or maybe modders will have more fun now to create stuff for this game
Lackluster, doesn't look tastefully done, but I'm glad they at least tried to fix it. OG PC release modded gives better results
Bro you shouldn't use hardware mode on PCSX2 when doing comparisons, always prefer software mode which is guaranteed to be accurate when the hardware renderers (even OpenGL/Vulkan) still have mistakes. Like 3:18 looks much too dark than it's supposed to be on a real console.
This is not PCSX2. This is the emulator made by Sony for the PS5. I have no control.
Also from footage I’ve seen from a real console it looks just as dark.
@CaptainGlack I see. It doesn't look like that on mine but if you have no control then I didn't need to be on your neck like this, sorry.
I never expected them to fix the mess they released, but my god they proved me wrong. I can't wait to replay all 3 games now
Stars! I can't wait to drive around Las Venturas at night!