It's like powering a tricycle with a V8 It's like giving a toddler a million dollars It's like putting a 75-inch 8k TV in your bathroom It's like filling your pool with 100% Perrier It's like buying an entire furniture warehouse because you need a new desk lamp
Until you sideload windows... dont give manufacturers, idea to underpoower these devices bro, in 5 years those chromebooks will go as a tortoise, because all the bloatware and the surveillance from.goverment will make them go like that.
@@dcaban85 "in 5 years those chromebooks will go as a tortoise" You mean like all those 10" display Windows XP "Netbooks" that appeared around the late 2000's ala Asus Eee PC? Unfortunately manufacturers don't need to be given the idea, it's not the first time and it won't be the last
I don't. Steam is rapidly becoming a monopoly, which is always bad for both consumers and developers. I know a few developers who -- out of principle -- won't publish their coming titles on steam because Valve is just so obnoxious. Well... the DMA is just around the corner, lets see how that changes things.
@@rgb2296 studios are the ones who develop games (think rock star games etc - the logos you see when you start a game) and they are the ones who control whether or not the games will require a third party launcher (aka their own launchers that usually suck compared to epic games and steam which is in my opinion the best launcher out there) thus it's the developers fault (or the studios or to go into more detail the management of the studio) that most online games require a third party launcher. though saying that games require third party launchers is perfectly valid as the game has the requirement set by the studio
I wonder if a suitable Linux distro might work better for you. Maybe PopOS as I think that supports coreboot? (Disclaimer: I've never used PopOS myself, just read about it on a few forums.)
Brilliant idea for Google - give anyone with a Chromebook free access to stadia and an option to add the controller at a discounted price at the point of purchase. This would make Chromebooks much more compelling
@@analdevastation1088 only because the game library and lack of support across devices make it not worth the money given the other options on the market. If they made it run perfectly on Chromebooks (which shouldn't be too bad considering its their own OS) and say gave users $100 in credit to spend on games when they purchased also, I think they'd sell a lot more Chromebooks. A cheap machine that performs basic tasks well and can run an expanding library of PC games that they'd give to you for free, heck I'd be tempted to buy something like that myself
The intro of the video totally made my day. And when I thought things couldn't get any better, he pronounced the word "crostini" in a perfect, flawless Italian and I'm... totally shocked now 😅
I'm wondering if in the future we may see ChromeOS get fragmented into various types depending on the situation it's needed for similar to how Microsoft has different versions of Windows. For example ChomeOS: Basic/Pro/Business. This might help those who don't want to deal with extra bloat that could come with gaming and just want a basic chrome laptop while the pro version maybe made for Steam and allow more changes to the OS.
That actually a really good point. If they are smart given in the laptop market there are a large amount of people who just start of any conversation about what laptop to buy by saying "I'm not GAMING" to the person helping them pick one out, and gamers are all about that they either may or will use it for gaming I would change your tiers slightly: Chrome OS (Normal minimal locked OS machine you tell your grandpa who just uses his laptop to check facebook, email, and do banking to buy) Chrome OS Student (Machines you could buy that you could take to your school sys admin to fully lock down and work with the school system instead of them providing you one. Maybe gives you extra google drive space if you buy one as a perk?) Chrome OS G, Chrome OS Gaming, or Chrome OS Play (Versions that steam comes on out of the box, or maybe stadia if google decides to remember it again, unlocks more control focused at workloads like talked about in this video. dGPU would not be a requirement in my mind but I would argue that thunderbolt should be one, to allow for eGPU's, maybe it could require one OR the other instead though. Name is all about that gamer feel and you know how much gamers love their acronyms and letters however play could be a nice contrast to the work branding) Chrome OS Professional or Chrome OS Business or Chrome OS Work (The "workhorse" PC, a decent spec'd PC for getting things done on. The name would try to convey that this is a PC used for real work. Why you may want to give a more generic name like work though is you would be shocked how many of those "I'm not gaming" people come in with the expectation of buying a $1200 PC for pretty light workloads. These machines are all about fit, finish, and battery life. Maybe have a pro mode that opens up more control than usual but they would also have a business mode that locks down the machine for BYOD companies)
I would argue the correct way to run steam on a chromebook is by remoting into a real computer. That's not a dig on chromebooks, I'm currently writing this from one. Remoting in gives you the comfort of sitting on the couch with a .5lb quiet and cool laptop with the power of a workstation somewhere in a different room.
@@AndrewTSq Home networks have less network latency than a game server, since the pc's are litterally in the same house. The issue is bandwidth and compression. Which I guess does contribute to general latency. But if the meta quests link cable has taught me anything, low latency compression does exist. It's just most companies don't invest in it. Also I've never tried in home streaming so my opinion is somewhat invalid lol.
I have zero dog in the fight, but they dropped the ball hard by not integrating it into Chrome OS. If Google did the Google thing of slapping it on every Chromebook from stock, they'd have had a way bigger player base JUST from random kids with their school issues ones that wanna game at night.
Sometime ago because I was subscribed to RUclips premium I got a free Google Stadia premium. After the 1 month trail, thing went straight to the closet, never to be seen again
Google is not one way style of company. They will even forget RUclips or even Google search at times. Because that's the best part of Google. Just because they are in Stadia/cloud gaming, they don't leave out native gaming.
It really feels weird that Chrome OS has so much trouble with gaming despite all the other things it does that Linux itself has some trouble with ( _cries in Anbox and Waydroid issues_ ). I think it'll be easier for Chrome OS to just officially adapt Proton and Box to Chrome OS. But eh, who knows, if they can make Android apps works, then they really should be a ble to solve this too.
@agapp11able Agreed. ChromeOS should just become a standard Linux distro... but, sure, Google can hammer down on the GUI to make it super-simple user-friendly. It's not as if Google don't know how to do this, as that's kind of what Android is. Linux kernel but then they built their whole Android GUI on top of that and, like, ordinary pleb users use their Linux-powered phones all the time with minimal UI issues. And that is exactly what Valve are doing with SteamOS, of course. Standard Linux distro under the hood, but then with shiny user-friendly "Big Picture Mode 2.0" on top of that - and if you never select "Exit to Desktop" at any point on your Steam Deck, you needn't have any clue whatsoever that it's Linux running the show. Indeed, the logical thing would be to, you know, combine Android and ChromeOS into a single thing... which, under the hood, is just a standard Linux distro, but with all that Android GUI goodness, that comes bundled with the ChromeOS do-it-all-through-your-browser mentality. Basically, Google essentially has the same product - with duplicated effort - in different products, that all do it in different ways. This screams to the coder in me to "de-duplicate" the whole bloody lot. A single standard Linux distro - that can be installed on desktop, laptop, tablet or phone - with an Android-like UI (but responsive, so it adapts to the screen real estate it has available - and, for example, the "app grid" on an Android phone becomes a grid of "app tiles" on a desktop screen with additional information and stuff on a bigger screen that can show more) and adopts the Chromebook "do everything through the browser" apps model. So the kids learning with their Chromebooks buy Android phones - because it's actually the exact same OS - and it all remains sandboxed and secure and user-friendly, if you stick to the out-of-box experience, but it is a Linux distro underneath for the "power users" who want to go further. Again, look to SteamOS, which is a Linux distro, but makes the system partition "read only". So, out-of-the-box, you can't break it, because you don't have write access to anything important. Instead, you can install flatpaks in your home directory (and it's totally possible, with the Linux kernel, to sandbox that up for security - this is what Ubuntu's "snaps" or just general Docker containers are all about). One of the things that Linux is actually awesome for is that the kernel itself can absolutely lock down a system like you wouldn't believe. You can exactly specify how many resources each process can access - like, you can fire up a process and only allow it 2 cores of the 8 you've got and that it can only see 4GB RAM max, even though you've got 16GB installed, and stuff like that - and you can put processes into their own "namespaces" and give them different roots, so they simply can't see hardware devices or access files, as you've isolated them off into their own separate island away from everything else. That's out-of-the-box kernel functionality. All things like Docker containers or Ubuntu snaps are doing is putting the public face on the underlying mechanism. Google know this. Android is sandboxed up like no other OS. You have to be real clever with the UI design, granted, but you could have your cake and eat it. A single OS - works on all devices, be they ARM or x86 or whatever - which is all sandboxed up to Android levels, and has an Android-like user-friendly UI... But, hey, if Google ain't going to do it, then Valve are already creating that OS right now. Someone's going to eventually nail it, if they can have enough vision to see the potential that's already out there, but just needs someone to weave it all together just right.
@@DraconicA5 How are they trying to make a MacOS alternative if they are using Apple’s iOS playbook? MacOS and iOS are completely different. MacOS isn’t locked down like iOS is.
They’re porting everything to Android anyway. Pretty soon you’ll be playing CODM, Warzone Mobile, Apex Legends Mobile, Warframe Mobile 😂 If it runs Android games well that might be enough for some people who want to do some light gaming
Stadia will also get backend improvements in the same fashion as Chrome. As I understand it, they will probably have some kind of compatibility layer like proton to make it easier for devs to port their games.
School children aren’t “switching” from a “school-provided” computer to their own, they already have their own device, and it’s an iPhone. Kids have no interest in using ChromeOS at home: it’s strictly for school in their eyes. Asking a kid to use ChromeOS outside of school is like asking if they want to have school cafeteria food for dinner.
I got a pretty low end (under $350) chromebook. These are so lightweight in what they can do, but they make sense. I'm so glad steam is working with them to make something work. It'd be nice to have super casual "my computer is a potato" games list.
@@Sizukun1 Too many compromises when the smartphone nowadays can surpass Chromebooks six ways from Sunday. But not iPhones (they don't count functionally).
Wait, Stadia ISN'T hella integrated into Chrome OS already? I assumed it would be. That's definitely part of why it flopped so hard. Whoever dropped that ball should be fired.
Google is giving up on Stadia, they're not trying to get Day One launches anymore, and only those studios that initially signed on are porting games to it. They're focusing on licensing off the streaming tech, and have slashed Stadia's budget. I give the whole platform another year before it is sent to the graveyard.
Microsoft(Azure), Amazon(AWS), Google(GCP) are the top 3 cloud computing providers worldwide, they even own they're own private internet infrastructure like submarine cables, that's why Phil Spencer said that they now see Amazon and Google as their main competitors going forward
@@EoRdE6 right, I just figured they'd pull a Google and make it an app on Chrome OS so that it's right in the kids faces on those school issues Chromebooks when they get home. Missed market on their part.
In optimizing heavily for the inexperienced they've alienated the moderately and very experienced. I'll come right out and say it chromebook/chromebox bad, not because a simplistic OS is necessarily bad, but kneecapping any hardware produced to the simplistic OS and then possibly trying to rework the OS for a wider appeal while entrenched giants stand in your way does not seem like a winning strategy.
Yeah, the very reason the premium chromebooks were a total failure. An 11th gen Intel CPU running an OS that could hardly use 15% of that CPU's load capacity, if that. It's a waste and a shame tbh. Chromebooks are complete garbage, get a console if you want simple, get a PC if you want the "full package."
@@123sleepygamer I don't think they're garbage, but they're definitely not good for this purpose. Premium Chromebooks are definitely garbage IMO, but the low-spec stuff is great if you're in the target audience (people who just want a cheap machine to do document editing and basic web stuff)
The OS is a total fail, though was nice for a couple years in 2010 when it first came out and netbooks were still a thing and tablets weren’t as good. The laptops are nice though because you can install Linux and have a nice lightweight portable system to use everywhere.
I used chromebooks in school, hated every bit of it. OS is non-intuitive, buggy, awful keyboard, and just overall useless. As soon as it was unlocked, Ubuntu was installed.
Tech enthusiasts: "Phones today are faster than a lot of lower-end netbooks. Wouldn't it be great if we could run a laptop OS on our phone?" Google and, probably, Apple: "Here you go! A phone OS on your laptop!" (tbf not like I'm typing this on a PinePhone or from Ubuntu Touch...)
@@ravitejaknts It's not, though. I mean, sure, the underpinnings are there because it uses the Linux kernel, but - direct file access - multitasking - background task scheduling - alternative methods of installing and running software - and, yes, some form of command terminal Should all be things that a non-privileged user has access *by default* as opposed to requiring "jailbreaking," root access and cobbled-together kludges. /rant
@@GSBarlev IDK What Android you have used. But Android has direct file access, multi tasking, background task scheduling, alternative methods of installing and running software. We only don't have a terminal. Also, more access doesn't mean laptop OS though. Some laptop OSes can choose to not provide such features and it's completely fine. Not everything outside is made for you and such OSes are not definitely for you.
Nothing hurt me more than back when my school got chrome books, and there was no way to turn off mouse acceleration. Lack of one simple feature toggle killed all usability for me.
6:53 You can actually change the app drawer. The default one looks horrible unless you're using it as a tablet. I would recommend turning the flag "productivity experiment: app launcher" on. It makes it so much clearer. I love the customization flags offer and I do like my Chromebook but it is far from a gaming device. I'll probably buy a desktop for real work and gaming and use my Chromebook for mobile stuff. I like the ability to go two school days on a single charge.
Google should have stuck with the cloud for Chrome OS and had some kind of deal with steam. Steam has couch co-op through the cloud and if Google just took the idea of Stadia and worked with Steam there could be a cloud option for gamers as well as local. Then you could have the Chromebook play on the cloud with the Windows players playing locally.
@@Kirby5588 that will rely on having tons of servers in each country and possible fiber-based internet with low latency for everyone, that is out of the question in Europe. our internet is as fast in download but the latency isn't as good as actual fiber (if you've got under 20ms latency you're lucky), nevermind that there aren't as much servers in our countries too and that Stadia, if you want a decent resolution, requires a monthly payment i wouldn't ever pay for a sub on game streaming or video streaming, the only real sub i have is on Spotify because i don't only listen to more recent music but also to older music (which often has trash quality on YT) i prefer to just buy a game once and have it forever.
@@BH4x0r Microsoft(Azure), Amazon(AWS), Google(GCP) are the top 3 cloud computing providers worldwide, they even own they're own private internet infrastructure like submarine cables, that's why Phil Spencer said that they now see Amazon and Google as their main competitors going forward
So the real reason only 6 are supported, is because steam needs 6GB of RAM atleast. And most chrome books only have 4 so as long as you have 8gb of ram on your chromebook you’ll be fine
I'm still enjoying the ACer C720p chrombook I got back in.... 2014. It's outlasted 2 gaming desktop builds, and it's still the laptop I use when I want web browsing on the couch or recipies in the kitchen. It's an ipad with a keyboard, but it still runs flawlessly, and the battery life is insane (especially compared to my 'gaming' laptop).
oh, they finally released the feature after 2 years? that's nice. also, the browser-dependence of the OS is being removed with lacros browser, which runs the browser independently of the window manager.
Saying "a chromebook" can barely do something is so vague it's worthless. If you watched the video you should at least know that there are Chromebooks high-end enough they have Core i7 processors and 16GB of RAM. They can certainly run a "medium level website" just fine, whatever that is. And it's worth mentioning that even when I used a Chromebook with a Celeron, it ran well considering the low-end, passively cooled CPU. Because it's not running a bloated-to-shit OS.
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I actually agree with Riley. introducing steam is countering what they want ChromeOS to be - a lightweight web focused OS where you don't need any hardware at all, and you use google docs, google slides, google sheets etc. they might need to re-brand ChromeOS if they make changes against their OG design philosophy.
their problem is that very little people actually want that or take it seriously, only schools really see them having value as cheap disposable laptops that are easy to manage. Chromebooks would just continue to get laughed at if they didnt start making changes
The main problem with chromebooks is that they were marketed at first with cheaper hardware as a cheaper alternative to a real laptop. But now they're (almost) as powerful and expensive as a real laptop. Why would someone buy such an expensive chromebook when there's better alternatives.
Better at what? Gaming? Via the web? Coding? I mean If you need to run something locally, ok, we all know that's not what Chromebooks do but web-based tools? My Galaxy Chromebook(10th geni5 8gb ram) ran mine faster and more reliably than my super duper HP Elite book with an 10th gen i7, 16gb ram running W10.
You can change the resolution on all Chromebooks to reduce the deadspace or increase it, uses virtual resolution so it's still always native it's more like scaling.
It kinda baffles me why high-end chromebooks are even a thing. I always viewed chromeOS as something that ran really well on lightweight, inexpensive hardware, had really good battery life, and was basically just for browsing the web and doing browser stuff. If it’s a high-enough end machine to run a proper OS like Ubuntu or Windows, why even bother with all the hoops of chromeOS?
1:45 what did i just saw that Samsung"MacBook" priced Chromebook in not supported like why i dont think it is slower than those i5 processors coz its i7 man
installing mr.chromebox's uefi script when in dev mode allows you to install the uefi firmware to allow a linux os or other os as you said, but that same script also allows you to revert it back to a chromebook without issue, also makes a backup of the files you are replacing just in case. just so you guys know for testing purposes.
Nice to see Planet Coaster/Frontier represented briefly on the channel. Not sure how it's been since I've seen a screenshot or gameplay of Planet Coaster or even Planet Zoo on here, but it's a welcome addition, even if it's just for aesthetics for the video.
7:20 isn't this where something like Window Home and Pro edition could work? Just have one version of Chrome OS that's a school/lightweight edition and one that is for gaming and more open. Chrome OS Class and Chrome OS Play (play can even have double meaning here, play as in play games, but also play as in go ahead and play around with the OS.). If Google did a really amazing job with their Chrome OS Play edition, they could even charge for that edition should they want to, that allows them to get some extra money or just generally get money from people that would otherwise avoid using google products so Google would lose money from that avenue. Then on the other hand it could be used as a way to keep the less knowledge people away from the more breakable version of the OS.
Giving a kid anything other than free and open source software is immoral. That way they get trapped in, and are forced into specific software when they grow up. Awful.
You're going to go your whole life being exposed to things as the default, that's just part of life, it doesn't really stop you from trying new things when you get older or become more knowledgeable. Also I've seen what children can do with to a machine with a more capable OS, it's nothing good.
@@NikkyElso It does stop you from trying other things when it comes to proprietary software. They use tactics to ensure you use their software, and nothing else. Take word for example. Do you think all the other developers in the world are stupid and can't match the greatness of Microsoft, and that's the reason why they can't implement their proprietary docx format properly? No, it's because they purposefully make it difficult, if not impossible, in order to force people to use Word. Use any other word processor with an open format like odt, and I guarantee you will have far less compatibility issues with other word processors, if at all. Same with everything else really. They make it cumbersome to switch, and they buy into social pressure to ensure you stay with their stuff. You can't just switch, that's the whole reason they're ahead.
The rise of ChromeOS is actually kind of scary. I can easily imagine a future where young adults have no idea how to use Windows or MacOS, and all gravitate towards Chrome because that’s what they’re used to. Before you know it, Windows and other advanced OS are faded into obscurity, only used by old people and enthusiasts.
Not being rude, but you probably don't understand the reason for all of this, or if you do, you may not care. At least in the US, schools that receive E-Rate funding need to follow certain rules in regards to technology and internet use. One of those rules is that school districts have to install content filter to prevent kids from going to non-educational related websites or services. Its not because schools like to be evil and want to make kids suffer but its because there are many rules and regulations they need to follow. There's also the problem of bandwidth. If you and all your friends and classmates start playing and downloading games, you're going to use up a lot of bandwidth.
@@JJFlores197 The intention behind my comment was, and I think my comment was very unclear about this, sorry, that you should not use the computers at school nor the ones you borrow or lease from the school for anything except school work. The reason why is the same as why you should not do your banking and other personal stuff on open networks in airports, restaurants and such. It jeopardises your personal security, because eventually you will have to return the leased or borrowed computer and you dont really know where that school computer and all the information on it will end up. You need to treat school computers as if it was a borrowed computer in a library - even when you bring it home. Sure, the school will probably have a safe return policy regarding hard drives, but those policies are maintained by people and, as we all know, people fail. Some poor underpaid person in that security chain might sell a few of those machines somewhere other than where they were supposed to go or someone will steal a couple. On top of that, you are absolutely right. It is also a question of the price of bandwith. Also, I have seen countless times how one kid will fill up the school assigned group cloud storage with games and then the rest of the pupils/students have to sit for some times hours waiting while it syncs the files until they can actually begin doing some group work.
Yeah, but back then the hardware available to chrome books was very limited. Modern and future chrome book would have easier access to decent hardware. Due to the massive leap we seen in performance for low powered CPU/iGPUs. Just look at AMD with Zen and RDNA platforms. RDNA 2 has enough gunt to easily run most Xbox One and PS4 generation games, and RDNA 3 is scheduled to release this year.
Well, comparing that alfa with crostini, crostini is Debian based and new one is Arch based (like steamOS). If there's coreboot, you could have compared to Linux, if windows doesn't support those stuff.
I have a chromebook (an ARM one to be specific, though the main issues are just Chrome OS being oversimplified to the point of creating issues) and love to use it for certain things (some light programming and some android games)... though it's extremely annoying to use, and I had an evening where I felt like I was doing nothing but doing a Powerwash (Factory Reset) every half an hour just testing out the things I can do... The for me most annoying thing is honestly the forced Powerwash when Going from Dev to Beta/Stable or from Beta to Stable. It's not even really "forced" as, if you are in a setup that can disable the Powerwash function, you will just wait till the new branch to be caught up before updating... Not great, as you may miss out on Security updates for that time, but at least better then being forced to setup everything again, which takes like 15 minutes if you just follow the basic stuff and download some stuff from the play store. Adding the Crostini Setup (which is just a few minutes) then setting up the Linux Environment back to where it was (for my setup, it's about half an hour of looking at the Terminal typing a handful of commands... luckily all my files to work with are in a Network Storage so I don't have to worry about getting these back on there.
Microsoft(Azure), Amazon(AWS), Google(GCP) are the top 3 cloud computing providers worldwide, they even own they're own private internet infrastructure like submarine cables, that's why Phil Spencer said that they now see Amazon and Google as their main competitors going forward
4:14 This Steam OS built for ChromeOS ("Borealis") is apparently to locked down. It seems this is a fault of Borealis not the ChromeOS it's self. The Crostini system (Linux for ChromeOS) is moving towards GPU support, and I don't think it has the read only limitation that Borealis has. It is just a matter of designing Borealis to allow write access to the game data's file system, which the developers of this Borealis apparently just neglected to do.
For the issue with coreboot, you could just through a Linux distro on it instead of trying to boot Windows. Most well rated games on proton do just as well or better on Linux through proton when compared to Windows, so would be a fairly decent comparison
@@cnr_0778 not true, chromiumos and android are both fully open source. google adds their own stuff to the versions of those projects that they actually ship to devices
@@nanopone "Open source" is a meaningless term for corporations. They can twist it with the ECOSYSTEM as much as they want and push their agenda. The best proof is the fact that a closed source Windows has the largest software "free market" (mostly due to its decades old core design) with tons of independent stores (ehmm... like Steam), launchers and other distribution channels, while Android has a de facto Google Play monopoly (despite being open source) and side loading is frowned upon. Heck, "side loading" isn't even a term on Windows. It's how everyone uses it, which is incredibly industry and innovation friendly.
@@nanopone the android that consumers get is generally not open source but instead the proprietary skin of the manufacturer on top of AOSP with proprietary google components, same with chromeos (consumers don't get chromium os pre-installed), which is why no one will consider them foss even if most of the underlying code is open source. There is a reason why android roms that remove the proprietary portions of even "stock android" also tend to be the most private.
That ending with making ChromeOS better for general usage and gaming might honestly be what Google is working on with Fuchsia. From what I remember, Fuchsia is an OS project by Google designed with a flexible UI from the get-go. Meant for devices from like 2" phones with a numpad all the way to big fat desktops. I haven't looked into what happened to the project since it's early days though. No idea if they're still working on it, and what the current status is...
With all of the compatibility problems in trying to run Steam's vast library of games on Chromebooks, Google will just show their users how limited their machines are. They'll lose users at record speeds.
They probably won’t loose many if any users considering how few non-education users there are at the moment, but I could see this as the evaporation of any goodwill people might have had towards chromebooks.
I was born in 1984 and started gaming on my dad's PC around 1991, before MS Windows. Years go by and MS Windows is still pretty much a requirement for gaming on PC. Sure, I'd love gaming on PC without Windows, but it still hasn't happened. So meanwhile, I'll just keep gaming on Windows. If Google or any other company is serious about it, just do it. I cannot begin to imagine how expensive it is but decade after decade I see multiple "you don't need Windows anymore" videos or whatever, and it is just not true. I don't care what I game on, the really important stuff are the games themselves (I have and play on consoles), but this "no windows" notion hasn't happened in the last 20+ years.
Overcoming the library dependency and render Windows-only games cross-platforn is the only way to make the first step to a proper dispersion. So long as there was no way to translate DirectX, there is no way to transition.
Gaming should not require "tinkering". Mods work on Linux Steam the same way they work on Windows Steam, unless they do something weird in their own custom programs, but in your typical mod supporting game that is never the case. That really has nothing to do with Chrome OS. Heck they even work under Geforce Now.
Putting an 11th gen processor in a chromebook is like using a car battery to power your TV remote.
It's like powering a tricycle with a V8
It's like giving a toddler a million dollars
It's like putting a 75-inch 8k TV in your bathroom
It's like filling your pool with 100% Perrier
It's like buying an entire furniture warehouse because you need a new desk lamp
It's like using a high refresh rate monitor at 30hz
That's like putting a water cooled RTX 3090 in a 20 year old office PC with a Pentium CPU and 2GB RAM.
Until you sideload windows... dont give manufacturers, idea to underpoower these devices bro, in 5 years those chromebooks will go as a tortoise, because all the bloatware and the surveillance from.goverment will make them go like that.
@@dcaban85 "in 5 years those chromebooks will go as a tortoise"
You mean like all those 10" display Windows XP "Netbooks" that appeared around the late 2000's ala Asus Eee PC? Unfortunately manufacturers don't need to be given the idea, it's not the first time and it won't be the last
It's weird how Riley is so energetic and chaotic but actually lives a minimalistic style at home
"Minimalistic"
Hey need that to be little bit less chaotic, when you have less stuff its more dificult to be loose things and to be distrected
thats a set
He is the source of chaos, so his house must be relatively simple
@@terrancevanliew1814 Minimalistical
I like the trend with how compatible steam is becoming, just a shame a lot of games require third party launchers
@@chicken29843 wdym
@@chicken29843 obviously
i like this ratio
I don't. Steam is rapidly becoming a monopoly, which is always bad for both consumers and developers. I know a few developers who -- out of principle -- won't publish their coming titles on steam because Valve is just so obnoxious.
Well... the DMA is just around the corner, lets see how that changes things.
@@rgb2296 studios are the ones who develop games (think rock star games etc - the logos you see when you start a game) and they are the ones who control whether or not the games will require a third party launcher (aka their own launchers that usually suck compared to epic games and steam which is in my opinion the best launcher out there) thus it's the developers fault (or the studios or to go into more detail the management of the studio) that most online games require a third party launcher.
though saying that games require third party launchers is perfectly valid as the game has the requirement set by the studio
Chromebooks... Making everything harder, while trying to make things simpler.
And yes, I do have a Chromebook, and yes, I regret the purchase.
I wonder if a suitable Linux distro might work better for you. Maybe PopOS as I think that supports coreboot? (Disclaimer: I've never used PopOS myself, just read about it on a few forums.)
Why? Did you not research them before the purchase?
Jep, that's the authentic chromebook-experience!
This is hard to get on purpose. They don't want every Chrome OS user using a highly unstable steam platform.
@@bladeduffer I did research and people's opinions are all over the place.
That's why I bought one for myself, to get a true hands-on experience.
I guess Linus’s son will soon be able to play games on his school Chromebook.
With Linus as his father he already can
@@ImmaSpam__________________Can Linus is the type of parent that would be disappointed if his son WASN'T into gaming lmao
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@@ImmaSpam__________________Can True, but Linus did a video while back about him needing to get his son a Chromebook for school.
"A Kanye West level of instability."
That statement aged like fine wine here in December of 2022.
That, and the one about abandoning Stadia at the end there...
Hey LTT team, please free James from that commercial reading room, we miss him (his family probably too)
Brilliant idea for Google - give anyone with a Chromebook free access to stadia and an option to add the controller at a discounted price at the point of purchase. This would make Chromebooks much more compelling
Stadia is dead lul
@@analdevastation1088 only because the game library and lack of support across devices make it not worth the money given the other options on the market. If they made it run perfectly on Chromebooks (which shouldn't be too bad considering its their own OS) and say gave users $100 in credit to spend on games when they purchased also, I think they'd sell a lot more Chromebooks. A cheap machine that performs basic tasks well and can run an expanding library of PC games that they'd give to you for free, heck I'd be tempted to buy something like that myself
They don't have to give permanent free access, even a two-year access would be appealing.
@@ivanwong7456 true
I can buy a 50 dollars craptop, slap some shaddy Low requirement Ubuntu based distro in it and call it a day. kek
The intro of the video totally made my day.
And when I thought things couldn't get any better, he pronounced the word "crostini" in a perfect, flawless Italian and I'm... totally shocked now 😅
I'm an Italian and can confirm that was top notch pronunciation O.o
now i can do all the gaming
you should watch code bullet
Still not perfect, but pretty close 👌
@@TrioLOLGamers 🤫
I'm wondering if in the future we may see ChromeOS get fragmented into various types depending on the situation it's needed for similar to how Microsoft has different versions of Windows. For example ChomeOS: Basic/Pro/Business. This might help those who don't want to deal with extra bloat that could come with gaming and just want a basic chrome laptop while the pro version maybe made for Steam and allow more changes to the OS.
Better be android, chromeOS is proprietary
@@dcaban85 it's open source..
@@astranger1k616 no its not
@@mr.malcolmthegreat the chromium os project.
Chrome OS is Chromium OS with more built in telemetry and different branding.
That actually a really good point. If they are smart given in the laptop market there are a large amount of people who just start of any conversation about what laptop to buy by saying "I'm not GAMING" to the person helping them pick one out, and gamers are all about that they either may or will use it for gaming I would change your tiers slightly:
Chrome OS (Normal minimal locked OS machine you tell your grandpa who just uses his laptop to check facebook, email, and do banking to buy)
Chrome OS Student (Machines you could buy that you could take to your school sys admin to fully lock down and work with the school system instead of them providing you one. Maybe gives you extra google drive space if you buy one as a perk?)
Chrome OS G, Chrome OS Gaming, or Chrome OS Play (Versions that steam comes on out of the box, or maybe stadia if google decides to remember it again, unlocks more control focused at workloads like talked about in this video. dGPU would not be a requirement in my mind but I would argue that thunderbolt should be one, to allow for eGPU's, maybe it could require one OR the other instead though. Name is all about that gamer feel and you know how much gamers love their acronyms and letters however play could be a nice contrast to the work branding)
Chrome OS Professional or Chrome OS Business or Chrome OS Work (The "workhorse" PC, a decent spec'd PC for getting things done on. The name would try to convey that this is a PC used for real work. Why you may want to give a more generic name like work though is you would be shocked how many of those "I'm not gaming" people come in with the expectation of buying a $1200 PC for pretty light workloads. These machines are all about fit, finish, and battery life. Maybe have a pro mode that opens up more control than usual but they would also have a business mode that locks down the machine for BYOD companies)
I would argue the correct way to run steam on a chromebook is by remoting into a real computer. That's not a dig on chromebooks, I'm currently writing this from one. Remoting in gives you the comfort of sitting on the couch with a .5lb quiet and cool laptop with the power of a workstation somewhere in a different room.
..with some added latency
Am I the only gamer out there that doesnt care how loud my rig is?
@@AndrewTSq Home networks have less network latency than a game server, since the pc's are litterally in the same house. The issue is bandwidth and compression. Which I guess does contribute to general latency. But if the meta quests link cable has taught me anything, low latency compression does exist. It's just most companies don't invest in it. Also I've never tried in home streaming so my opinion is somewhat invalid lol.
@@frankkeck3114 nope, I own a flow x13 so I just turn up the volume on my headphones
@@Derpynewb I used the steamlink at home with wired connection, it sucked cause you could really feel the latency even in games like the Lego games.
2:48
"While you should take these results with a pinch of salt"
*Shows a stock footage of sugar*
I mean, can you really blame Google for forgetting Stadia?
Everyone else definitely forgot it.
I have zero dog in the fight, but they dropped the ball hard by not integrating it into Chrome OS.
If Google did the Google thing of slapping it on every Chromebook from stock, they'd have had a way bigger player base JUST from random kids with their school issues ones that wanna game at night.
Sometime ago because I was subscribed to RUclips premium I got a free Google Stadia premium. After the 1 month trail, thing went straight to the closet, never to be seen again
Even I forgot Stadia was a thing. Imagine you ask that to a person and the person's like: "Huh?"
Took me moment to realize that stadia is a thing
Google is not one way style of company. They will even forget RUclips or even Google search at times. Because that's the best part of Google. Just because they are in Stadia/cloud gaming, they don't leave out native gaming.
6:42 love the subtle SFX thrown in there.
It really feels weird that Chrome OS has so much trouble with gaming despite all the other things it does that Linux itself has some trouble with ( _cries in Anbox and Waydroid issues_ ). I think it'll be easier for Chrome OS to just officially adapt Proton and Box to Chrome OS. But eh, who knows, if they can make Android apps works, then they really should be a ble to solve this too.
Because Google want to make a macOS alternative. Looks at how bad the file manager is, they are using the Apple's iOS playbook, not Linux or Windows.
Steam on ChromeOS IS Proton. It wouldn't work without it.
@agapp11able Agreed.
ChromeOS should just become a standard Linux distro... but, sure, Google can hammer down on the GUI to make it super-simple user-friendly.
It's not as if Google don't know how to do this, as that's kind of what Android is. Linux kernel but then they built their whole Android GUI on top of that and, like, ordinary pleb users use their Linux-powered phones all the time with minimal UI issues.
And that is exactly what Valve are doing with SteamOS, of course. Standard Linux distro under the hood, but then with shiny user-friendly "Big Picture Mode 2.0" on top of that - and if you never select "Exit to Desktop" at any point on your Steam Deck, you needn't have any clue whatsoever that it's Linux running the show.
Indeed, the logical thing would be to, you know, combine Android and ChromeOS into a single thing... which, under the hood, is just a standard Linux distro, but with all that Android GUI goodness, that comes bundled with the ChromeOS do-it-all-through-your-browser mentality.
Basically, Google essentially has the same product - with duplicated effort - in different products, that all do it in different ways.
This screams to the coder in me to "de-duplicate" the whole bloody lot.
A single standard Linux distro - that can be installed on desktop, laptop, tablet or phone - with an Android-like UI (but responsive, so it adapts to the screen real estate it has available - and, for example, the "app grid" on an Android phone becomes a grid of "app tiles" on a desktop screen with additional information and stuff on a bigger screen that can show more) and adopts the Chromebook "do everything through the browser" apps model.
So the kids learning with their Chromebooks buy Android phones - because it's actually the exact same OS - and it all remains sandboxed and secure and user-friendly, if you stick to the out-of-box experience, but it is a Linux distro underneath for the "power users" who want to go further.
Again, look to SteamOS, which is a Linux distro, but makes the system partition "read only". So, out-of-the-box, you can't break it, because you don't have write access to anything important. Instead, you can install flatpaks in your home directory (and it's totally possible, with the Linux kernel, to sandbox that up for security - this is what Ubuntu's "snaps" or just general Docker containers are all about).
One of the things that Linux is actually awesome for is that the kernel itself can absolutely lock down a system like you wouldn't believe. You can exactly specify how many resources each process can access - like, you can fire up a process and only allow it 2 cores of the 8 you've got and that it can only see 4GB RAM max, even though you've got 16GB installed, and stuff like that - and you can put processes into their own "namespaces" and give them different roots, so they simply can't see hardware devices or access files, as you've isolated them off into their own separate island away from everything else.
That's out-of-the-box kernel functionality. All things like Docker containers or Ubuntu snaps are doing is putting the public face on the underlying mechanism.
Google know this. Android is sandboxed up like no other OS.
You have to be real clever with the UI design, granted, but you could have your cake and eat it. A single OS - works on all devices, be they ARM or x86 or whatever - which is all sandboxed up to Android levels, and has an Android-like user-friendly UI...
But, hey, if Google ain't going to do it, then Valve are already creating that OS right now. Someone's going to eventually nail it, if they can have enough vision to see the potential that's already out there, but just needs someone to weave it all together just right.
@@DraconicA5 How are they trying to make a MacOS alternative if they are using Apple’s iOS playbook? MacOS and iOS are completely different. MacOS isn’t locked down like iOS is.
They’re porting everything to Android anyway. Pretty soon you’ll be playing CODM, Warzone Mobile, Apex Legends Mobile, Warframe Mobile 😂
If it runs Android games well that might be enough for some people who want to do some light gaming
I really like the character Riley has creted for himself. it works really well for the format and nature of the content he presenting
I love these intros so much. You guys must have a ton of fun at work.
That was a solid drop kick too, or really good photoshop.
I always skip the intros because it's like they're trying to cater to children.
@@Kevin-jv7mz you don't photoshop a video...
@@GroteGlon sorry, I meant videoshop
@@lightly-red-huedmaleindivi6266 loosen up brother. You only get one life and it’s not worth wasting it trying to be macho all the time.
Stadia will also get backend improvements in the same fashion as Chrome. As I understand it, they will probably have some kind of compatibility layer like proton to make it easier for devs to port their games.
Yeah..... about that.............
@@alexmorrison2360 🤣 well, it's Google we're taking about. They killing projects faster than the speed of light.
lol
Linus Tech Tips: Steam does not belong in here
James Watt: Quiet, that can get you in some hot water!
You know what comes from hot water? Steam.
@@kaksidaksi3455 that's a correct eSteamate🤣
New title now xD
School children aren’t “switching” from a “school-provided” computer to their own, they already have their own device, and it’s an iPhone. Kids have no interest in using ChromeOS at home: it’s strictly for school in their eyes. Asking a kid to use ChromeOS outside of school is like asking if they want to have school cafeteria food for dinner.
Most students now a days have a gaming PC/companion PC/Mac as well anyways...
I always love when a Riley comes around to deliver content. A true content genius
I always love when I ratio
@@fiscalizacaoletterboxd joke's on you
I got a pretty low end (under $350) chromebook. These are so lightweight in what they can do, but they make sense. I'm so glad steam is working with them to make something work. It'd be nice to have super casual "my computer is a potato" games list.
I hope you payed no where near that for a chronebook
Chrome
A smartphone can do more.
@@IchihoBankai correct, but phones generally don't have a large screen and a keyboard.
@@Sizukun1
Too many compromises when the smartphone nowadays can surpass Chromebooks six ways from Sunday. But not iPhones (they don't count functionally).
THAT INTRO WAS NUTS - the timing, the edit, the sound - just perfect
7:10 was really expecting him to say "chrome os will have to become something it's never been: usable."
Wait, Stadia ISN'T hella integrated into Chrome OS already?
I assumed it would be.
That's definitely part of why it flopped so hard.
Whoever dropped that ball should be fired.
I mean you play stadia in the chrome browser so it works great on chrome OS... But with all the antitrust debate they have to be careful
Google is giving up on Stadia, they're not trying to get Day One launches anymore, and only those studios that initially signed on are porting games to it. They're focusing on licensing off the streaming tech, and have slashed Stadia's budget. I give the whole platform another year before it is sent to the graveyard.
Microsoft(Azure), Amazon(AWS), Google(GCP) are the top 3 cloud computing providers worldwide, they even own they're own private internet infrastructure like submarine cables, that's why Phil Spencer said that they now see Amazon and Google as their main competitors going forward
@@oscar8301 Yeah, Stadia is dead. They just haven't buried it yet.
@@EoRdE6 right, I just figured they'd pull a Google and make it an app on Chrome OS so that it's right in the kids faces on those school issues Chromebooks when they get home. Missed market on their part.
In optimizing heavily for the inexperienced they've alienated the moderately and very experienced. I'll come right out and say it chromebook/chromebox bad, not because a simplistic OS is necessarily bad, but kneecapping any hardware produced to the simplistic OS and then possibly trying to rework the OS for a wider appeal while entrenched giants stand in your way does not seem like a winning strategy.
Yeah, the very reason the premium chromebooks were a total failure. An 11th gen Intel CPU running an OS that could hardly use 15% of that CPU's load capacity, if that. It's a waste and a shame tbh. Chromebooks are complete garbage, get a console if you want simple, get a PC if you want the "full package."
Chromebooks are garbage for the same reason GNOME Linux distros are garbage
Ain't nobody want that minimalist shit
@@123sleepygamer I don't think they're garbage, but they're definitely not good for this purpose. Premium Chromebooks are definitely garbage IMO, but the low-spec stuff is great if you're in the target audience (people who just want a cheap machine to do document editing and basic web stuff)
The OS is a total fail, though was nice for a couple years in 2010 when it first came out and netbooks were still a thing and tablets weren’t as good. The laptops are nice though because you can install Linux and have a nice lightweight portable system to use everywhere.
I used chromebooks in school, hated every bit of it. OS is non-intuitive, buggy, awful keyboard, and just overall useless. As soon as it was unlocked, Ubuntu was installed.
I used a pen
0:57 "... that allows you to use any Linux desktop environment..."
*Proceeds to show distributions instead*
The way he says "Crostini" made my day😂
Perfect Italian pronunciation
It could be up there with cacio e pepe
Came back to this after watching the Chrome OS Flex video, and the "What about Stadia?" section really stands out now...
This makes it easier for my brother to play Terraria, so I'm happy lol. Way better than the current Linux VM need
Can't he play the Android version?
@@iwinrar5207 I didn't want to buy a second copy, and the PC version has more features/Steam Workshop support.
@@NigelMelanisticSmith 3 letters: apk
@@coolguyman7356 all of his friends are on PC anyways, so he wouldn't be able to play multiplayer. The APK doesn't have the workshop either.
@@coolguyman7356 4 words: it's probably a trojan
5:51 This is literally how a Chrome OS powered dystopia would be...
Tech enthusiasts: "Phones today are faster than a lot of lower-end netbooks. Wouldn't it be great if we could run a laptop OS on our phone?"
Google and, probably, Apple: "Here you go! A phone OS on your laptop!"
(tbf not like I'm typing this on a PinePhone or from Ubuntu Touch...)
Android is almost a laptop level OS if you think about it.
@@ravitejaknts It's not, though. I mean, sure, the underpinnings are there because it uses the Linux kernel, but
- direct file access
- multitasking
- background task scheduling
- alternative methods of installing and running software
- and, yes, some form of command terminal
Should all be things that a non-privileged user has access *by default* as opposed to requiring "jailbreaking," root access and cobbled-together kludges.
/rant
@@ravitejaknts I mean the only one of these the current version of android lacks is a terminal
@@GSBarlev IDK What Android you have used. But Android has direct file access, multi tasking, background task scheduling, alternative methods of installing and running software. We only don't have a terminal.
Also, more access doesn't mean laptop OS though. Some laptop OSes can choose to not provide such features and it's completely fine. Not everything outside is made for you and such OSes are not definitely for you.
@@ravitejaknts android has terminal channels (correct me if I’m wrong), you just need a terminal emulator like termux to access them
The new editor's sense of humor is nice, and is shown in the stock footage used in the video.
Nothing hurt me more than back when my school got chrome books, and there was no way to turn off mouse acceleration. Lack of one simple feature toggle killed all usability for me.
6:53
You can actually change the app drawer. The default one looks horrible unless you're using it as a tablet. I would recommend turning the flag "productivity experiment: app launcher" on. It makes it so much clearer.
I love the customization flags offer and I do like my Chromebook but it is far from a gaming device. I'll probably buy a desktop for real work and gaming and use my Chromebook for mobile stuff. I like the ability to go two school days on a single charge.
SeemS MORE LIKE, ANDROID LAUNCHER
Google should have stuck with the cloud for Chrome OS and had some kind of deal with steam.
Steam has couch co-op through the cloud and if Google just took the idea of Stadia and worked with Steam there could be a cloud option for gamers as well as local.
Then you could have the Chromebook play on the cloud with the Windows players playing locally.
too much input latency, especially for FPS games..
@@BH4x0r not with stadias technology. I've played lots of games on stadia and it feels native
@@Kirby5588 that will rely on having tons of servers in each country and possible fiber-based internet with low latency for everyone, that is out of the question in Europe.
our internet is as fast in download but the latency isn't as good as actual fiber (if you've got under 20ms latency you're lucky), nevermind that there aren't as much servers in our countries too and that Stadia, if you want a decent resolution, requires a monthly payment
i wouldn't ever pay for a sub on game streaming or video streaming, the only real sub i have is on Spotify because i don't only listen to more recent music but also to older music (which often has trash quality on YT)
i prefer to just buy a game once and have it forever.
@@Kirby5588 ive been testing stadias improvement over the years, but to this day its still no good for me.
@@BH4x0r Microsoft(Azure), Amazon(AWS), Google(GCP) are the top 3 cloud computing providers worldwide, they even own they're own private internet infrastructure like submarine cables, that's why Phil Spencer said that they now see Amazon and Google as their main competitors going forward
2:31 best pronunciation ever. It can't be improved.
Stadia: Mr. Riley... I don't feel so good...
RIP
"And a Kanye West level of general instability."
Hats off to whoever wrote the copy.
Sound's like a drake fan
i can imagine that the chromebooks will be about 80 degrees Celsius
where's the lawsuits about overheating by too much?
shut up child
2:44 you did the poor man dirty 😭
5:28 my nephew loves his Chromebook. But is ready to dump it for windows
Stadia: Well this didn’t age well.
ok, the flying kick bit at the beginning was pretty well done, can't tell if it's cut together or an actual kick, but that was top notch
So the real reason only 6 are supported, is because steam needs 6GB of RAM atleast. And most chrome books only have 4 so as long as you have 8gb of ram on your chromebook you’ll be fine
I'm still enjoying the ACer C720p chrombook I got back in.... 2014. It's outlasted 2 gaming desktop builds, and it's still the laptop I use when I want web browsing on the couch or recipies in the kitchen. It's an ipad with a keyboard, but it still runs flawlessly, and the battery life is insane (especially compared to my 'gaming' laptop).
Riley continues to impress with how entertaining and eloquent of a host he is
3:35 new person? Not sure but give us more of him!!
"And a Kanye West level of general instability."
... Wow. That's a low-key third-degree burn.
oh, they finally released the feature after 2 years? that's nice.
also, the browser-dependence of the OS is being removed with lacros browser, which runs the browser independently of the window manager.
I love the new guy already, seems like a good hire.
Loved the really enthusiastic winking fella wearing his Grandads pyjama top, what a ledge.
It’s really a dream to game on a chromebook, as a chromebook can barely run a medium level website
that makes no sense to me because I can run youtube on my asus eee pc from 2010 just fine. Intel Atom 400 Pineview and Windows 7 x64.
Saying "a chromebook" can barely do something is so vague it's worthless. If you watched the video you should at least know that there are Chromebooks high-end enough they have Core i7 processors and 16GB of RAM. They can certainly run a "medium level website" just fine, whatever that is.
And it's worth mentioning that even when I used a Chromebook with a Celeron, it ran well considering the low-end, passively cooled CPU. Because it's not running a bloated-to-shit OS.
I actually agree with Riley. introducing steam is countering what they want ChromeOS to be - a lightweight web focused OS where you don't need any hardware at all, and you use google docs, google slides, google sheets etc. they might need to re-brand ChromeOS if they make changes against their OG design philosophy.
their problem is that very little people actually want that or take it seriously, only schools really see them having value as cheap disposable laptops that are easy to manage. Chromebooks would just continue to get laughed at if they didnt start making changes
@@mr.malcolmthegreat true
The main problem with chromebooks is that they were marketed at first with cheaper hardware as a cheaper alternative to a real laptop. But now they're (almost) as powerful and expensive as a real laptop. Why would someone buy such an expensive chromebook when there's better alternatives.
Better at what? Gaming? Via the web? Coding? I mean If you need to run something locally, ok, we all know that's not what Chromebooks do but web-based tools? My Galaxy Chromebook(10th geni5 8gb ram) ran mine faster and more reliably than my super duper HP Elite book with an 10th gen i7, 16gb ram running W10.
You can change the resolution on all Chromebooks to reduce the deadspace or increase it, uses virtual resolution so it's still always native it's more like scaling.
It kinda baffles me why high-end chromebooks are even a thing. I always viewed chromeOS as something that ran really well on lightweight, inexpensive hardware, had really good battery life, and was basically just for browsing the web and doing browser stuff. If it’s a high-enough end machine to run a proper OS like Ubuntu or Windows, why even bother with all the hoops of chromeOS?
1:45 what did i just saw that Samsung"MacBook" priced Chromebook in not supported like why i dont think it is slower than those i5 processors coz its i7 man
“You forgot about stadia didn’t you” google did as well so…
Watching this now make me chuckle about the Stadia situation.
Valve should make a Chromebook with the SoC or whatever from the Steam Deck.
Also, Adam and Riley make a great team, keep up the good work!
I have to say, I bought a pixel book and to this day it was my favorite laptop. But I had to sell if because I needed a windows machine for work.
I like how they get more and more creative with the b-role. Like 6:05 that's just genius.
I'm suprised to find myself rewatch this video just for Riley's top-notch Italian 'crostini'
I think Chromebooks have a great future. But buying them for games is the same as playing CS on PS.
4:20 they could just fork dolphin file manager and reskin it to fit their aesthetic, that would fix their awful file management issues
LINUS DOES NOT MISS 🐐
installing mr.chromebox's uefi script when in dev mode allows you to install the uefi firmware to allow a linux os or other os as you said, but that same script also allows you to revert it back to a chromebook without issue, also makes a backup of the files you are replacing just in case. just so you guys know for testing purposes.
I guess we do know by now why Chrome OS didn't acknowledge stadia and went with steam lol.
Nice to see Planet Coaster/Frontier represented briefly on the channel. Not sure how it's been since I've seen a screenshot or gameplay of Planet Coaster or even Planet Zoo on here, but it's a welcome addition, even if it's just for aesthetics for the video.
7:20 isn't this where something like Window Home and Pro edition could work? Just have one version of Chrome OS that's a school/lightweight edition and one that is for gaming and more open. Chrome OS Class and Chrome OS Play (play can even have double meaning here, play as in play games, but also play as in go ahead and play around with the OS.).
If Google did a really amazing job with their Chrome OS Play edition, they could even charge for that edition should they want to, that allows them to get some extra money or just generally get money from people that would otherwise avoid using google products so Google would lose money from that avenue. Then on the other hand it could be used as a way to keep the less knowledge people away from the more breakable version of the OS.
Yo google, hire this guy.
It's CHAMPING at the bit. Not chomping. If you get annoyed by that correction, bits and bytes are the same thing. Head spin...........
I was about to say.
Giving a kid anything other than free and open source software is immoral. That way they get trapped in, and are forced into specific software when they grow up. Awful.
Lmao, it's not that deep
You're going to go your whole life being exposed to things as the default, that's just part of life, it doesn't really stop you from trying new things when you get older or become more knowledgeable. Also I've seen what children can do with to a machine with a more capable OS, it's nothing good.
@@NikkyElso It does stop you from trying other things when it comes to proprietary software. They use tactics to ensure you use their software, and nothing else. Take word for example. Do you think all the other developers in the world are stupid and can't match the greatness of Microsoft, and that's the reason why they can't implement their proprietary docx format properly? No, it's because they purposefully make it difficult, if not impossible, in order to force people to use Word. Use any other word processor with an open format like odt, and I guarantee you will have far less compatibility issues with other word processors, if at all.
Same with everything else really. They make it cumbersome to switch, and they buy into social pressure to ensure you stay with their stuff. You can't just switch, that's the whole reason they're ahead.
The rise of ChromeOS is actually kind of scary. I can easily imagine a future where young adults have no idea how to use Windows or MacOS, and all gravitate towards Chrome because that’s what they’re used to. Before you know it, Windows and other advanced OS are faded into obscurity, only used by old people and enthusiasts.
All fun in games, until the schools starts blocking any outside school related chrome apps
You shouldn't be using the school's Chromebooks for anything not school related anyway.
@@nalk20 You sound quite boring
Not being rude, but you probably don't understand the reason for all of this, or if you do, you may not care. At least in the US, schools that receive E-Rate funding need to follow certain rules in regards to technology and internet use. One of those rules is that school districts have to install content filter to prevent kids from going to non-educational related websites or services. Its not because schools like to be evil and want to make kids suffer but its because there are many rules and regulations they need to follow. There's also the problem of bandwidth. If you and all your friends and classmates start playing and downloading games, you're going to use up a lot of bandwidth.
@@JJFlores197 The intention behind my comment was, and I think my comment was very unclear about this, sorry, that you should not use the computers at school nor the ones you borrow or lease from the school for anything except school work.
The reason why is the same as why you should not do your banking and other personal stuff on open networks in airports, restaurants and such. It jeopardises your personal security, because eventually you will have to return the leased or borrowed computer and you dont really know where that school computer and all the information on it will end up.
You need to treat school computers as if it was a borrowed computer in a library - even when you bring it home.
Sure, the school will probably have a safe return policy regarding hard drives, but those policies are maintained by people and, as we all know, people fail. Some poor underpaid person in that security chain might sell a few of those machines somewhere other than where they were supposed to go or someone will steal a couple.
On top of that, you are absolutely right. It is also a question of the price of bandwith.
Also, I have seen countless times how one kid will fill up the school assigned group cloud storage with games and then the rest of the pupils/students have to sit for some times hours waiting while it syncs the files until they can actually begin doing some group work.
Still waiting for a Pixelbook 2. Love ChromeOS and love the hardware, it's completely unmatched still. I have my Deck and PC for PC gaming.
The little Chromebook I had in highschool would literally blow up if I tried to run Minecraft on it
and that's why the. chrome books suck for gaming and that also limited updates for only a few years each
Yeah, but back then the hardware available to chrome books was very limited. Modern and future chrome book would have easier access to decent hardware. Due to the massive leap we seen in performance for low powered CPU/iGPUs. Just look at AMD with Zen and RDNA platforms. RDNA 2 has enough gunt to easily run most Xbox One and PS4 generation games, and RDNA 3 is scheduled to release this year.
Man... That jump kick at the beginning of the video was so funny! I had to pause the video!
Well, comparing that alfa with crostini, crostini is Debian based and new one is Arch based (like steamOS).
If there's coreboot, you could have compared to Linux, if windows doesn't support those stuff.
I have a chromebook (an ARM one to be specific, though the main issues are just Chrome OS being oversimplified to the point of creating issues) and love to use it for certain things (some light programming and some android games)... though it's extremely annoying to use, and I had an evening where I felt like I was doing nothing but doing a Powerwash (Factory Reset) every half an hour just testing out the things I can do...
The for me most annoying thing is honestly the forced Powerwash when Going from Dev to Beta/Stable or from Beta to Stable. It's not even really "forced" as, if you are in a setup that can disable the Powerwash function, you will just wait till the new branch to be caught up before updating... Not great, as you may miss out on Security updates for that time, but at least better then being forced to setup everything again, which takes like 15 minutes if you just follow the basic stuff and download some stuff from the play store.
Adding the Crostini Setup (which is just a few minutes) then setting up the Linux Environment back to where it was (for my setup, it's about half an hour of looking at the Terminal typing a handful of commands... luckily all my files to work with are in a Network Storage so I don't have to worry about getting these back on there.
But I thought Stadia was the future 😂
That lasted long, good job Google 👍
Microsoft(Azure), Amazon(AWS), Google(GCP) are the top 3 cloud computing providers worldwide, they even own they're own private internet infrastructure like submarine cables, that's why Phil Spencer said that they now see Amazon and Google as their main competitors going forward
Chromebooks now launch with Stadia pre-installed
4:14 This Steam OS built for ChromeOS ("Borealis") is apparently to locked down. It seems this is a fault of Borealis not the ChromeOS it's self. The Crostini system (Linux for ChromeOS) is moving towards GPU support, and I don't think it has the read only limitation that Borealis has. It is just a matter of designing Borealis to allow write access to the game data's file system, which the developers of this Borealis apparently just neglected to do.
Here's what I found about ChromeOS - the browser is roughly two revisions back. And yeah there are two kinds, the core is not Intel. The other isn't.
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"a Kanye west level of general instability"
Fuuuck that's brutal lol
those 2 chromebooks have so good specs its sad that they are running Chrome OS in the first place
gotdam whoever made the intro give them gotdam raise rn!
"Kanye west level of general instability" got me
As someone who works in IT for a school that primarily uses ChromeOS I feel a lot of fun coming in my future /s
For the issue with coreboot, you could just through a Linux distro on it instead of trying to boot Windows. Most well rated games on proton do just as well or better on Linux through proton when compared to Windows, so would be a fairly decent comparison
2:56 Franchise Linus Version pops up.
Why don't they just create a regular linux distro that can work well with android devices?
if the software is mostly open source they can't sell your data effectively enough
@@cnr_0778 not true, chromiumos and android are both fully open source. google adds their own stuff to the versions of those projects that they actually ship to devices
@@cnr_0778 android exists and it is opensource. But they still can add chrome and google services over it
@@nanopone "Open source" is a meaningless term for corporations. They can twist it with the ECOSYSTEM as much as they want and push their agenda. The best proof is the fact that a closed source Windows has the largest software "free market" (mostly due to its decades old core design) with tons of independent stores (ehmm... like Steam), launchers and other distribution channels, while Android has a de facto Google Play monopoly (despite being open source) and side loading is frowned upon. Heck, "side loading" isn't even a term on Windows. It's how everyone uses it, which is incredibly industry and innovation friendly.
@@nanopone the android that consumers get is generally not open source but instead the proprietary skin of the manufacturer on top of AOSP with proprietary google components, same with chromeos (consumers don't get chromium os pre-installed), which is why no one will consider them foss even if most of the underlying code is open source. There is a reason why android roms that remove the proprietary portions of even "stock android" also tend to be the most private.
The B-roll in this video so so fantastic! The kids under the table had me ROFLing
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That ending with making ChromeOS better for general usage and gaming might honestly be what Google is working on with Fuchsia. From what I remember, Fuchsia is an OS project by Google designed with a flexible UI from the get-go. Meant for devices from like 2" phones with a numpad all the way to big fat desktops. I haven't looked into what happened to the project since it's early days though. No idea if they're still working on it, and what the current status is...
With all of the compatibility problems in trying to run Steam's vast library of games on Chromebooks, Google will just show their users how limited their machines are. They'll lose users at record speeds.
They probably won’t loose many if any users considering how few non-education users there are at the moment, but I could see this as the evaporation of any goodwill people might have had towards chromebooks.
I was born in 1984 and started gaming on my dad's PC around 1991, before MS Windows. Years go by and MS Windows is still pretty much a requirement for gaming on PC. Sure, I'd love gaming on PC without Windows, but it still hasn't happened. So meanwhile, I'll just keep gaming on Windows. If Google or any other company is serious about it, just do it. I cannot begin to imagine how expensive it is but decade after decade I see multiple "you don't need Windows anymore" videos or whatever, and it is just not true. I don't care what I game on, the really important stuff are the games themselves (I have and play on consoles), but this "no windows" notion hasn't happened in the last 20+ years.
Overcoming the library dependency and render Windows-only games cross-platforn is the only way to make the first step to a proper dispersion.
So long as there was no way to translate DirectX, there is no way to transition.
You can play most games pretty easily on a fully-fledged Linux distro.
Gaming should not require "tinkering". Mods work on Linux Steam the same way they work on Windows Steam, unless they do something weird in their own custom programs, but in your typical mod supporting game that is never the case. That really has nothing to do with Chrome OS. Heck they even work under Geforce Now.
Very fun to watch this Riley dude
Anyone watching this after the cancellation of stadia?