Porsche Panamera is awesome, especially the V6 highly reliable you can easily get 300k miles on the engine you don't have to worry about turbos. Have to do rountine maintenance.
I daily one of these (2011 Pan 4) have had it since new and it has lasted 4 brutal winters in Chicago. Summer the performance is there, and winter the AWD with continental tires is better than my GL 450 in the snow, no joke. Really impressed.
I traded up for a Panamera 4S that was pretty much fully loaded and got it for a steal... The new one is expected out next year and I'm looking at the GTS. I have never really had an issue with oil and service, tune ups are the usual and not very expensive, especially if you have a local mechanic.
Thanks a lot for that vid... Checked the used A7s, checked the Panamera. Panamera drives more sporty and the interior quality ain't even remotely comparable. I went for a used 2013 Panamera 4 with full leather interior and a few fancy options and, yes, this is affordable luxury : )
Great video. Bought a 2014 Panamera with 33k miles orig sticker was $111k for $45k. Car had 1 year left on CPO warranty. Every option available on this vehicle. I’m glad I bought the car. Car gets a lot of attention and the car is a beast on the road. When I’m on the fast lane everyone moves to right. I feel like a bully. Also easy maintenance with my local German auto vehicle specialist for the basic stuff like oil changes, brakes etc. I highly recommend one of these cars.
The white elephant in the room when you talk about "affordable" luxury is upkeep costs. Porsches nor Audis aren't exactly reasonable to maintain, and several a poor soul has been lured into the used German market only to find they couldn't afford the upkeep. While certainly appealing cars, by no stretch of the imagination are they affordable.
when i see coments like this i think we are in the seventees , what does a car need more than fuel oil change and filters ? for the first three years of its life you don't need anything more than that , after that a set of tyers and pads , and when the car have 80-100k its time to change the car , well if you keep it you have to change the belt and water pump , nothing too complicated either , today's cars are very reliable
ssllhh100 Well, if I were spending the $100,000 to buy the car new, I suppose you'd have a point about the first three years. Considering this is specifically about buying used, the only ones near $50,000 are of the 2011 vintage. A bit past the mark. Speaking of the 70s, if you have little faith in a car past 100,000 miles, that doesn't speak well for its reliability now does it? But don't take my word for it. www.autoblog.com/buy/2015-Porsche-Panamera/reliability/ I expect more than mediocrity for a car that cost $100,000 new.
ssllhh100 you clearly have not owned a german car of the past decade. back in the early 2000s you could at least DIY most of it, but modern computer systems are extremely hands-off unless you have a $10,000 porsche brand diagnostic machine or whatever the hell. these cars are being engineered to be dealer-dependent and dealers will DESTROY your wallet for the simplest things
***** yes for a daily driver i don't let my cars get over the 100k mark because i daily them , i want them to be depandable , with near to zero problem chance , so yes 100k is as far as it gets for a daily while you're right on the fact that 50k luxury used one will be a 12 or 13 you care more about the milage , don't take one with more than 50k miles and you're good to go for 2 or three years depending on your yearly milage and i'm not saying that the car will not be reliable after 100k , the car will be reliable but not as cost effective as you may want it to so get rid of it and keep you hands clean
Ryukachoo what are you talking about ??? for VAG buy a VAGCOM for a couple hunderd bux and you're good to go , i have had a lot of german cars along the years and all of them had no problems at all , because i know how to maintain my cars , more frequent oil changes is the key , if the dealer tell you you need to change oil a 15k do it at 10k that's all , we had a 87 golf that got over 800k miles when sold and you know what , it never stopped for a single day , if you take care of your car it will never let you down
“It looks like a sports car from the front… and in the back is a 991 that can’t put the fork down.” I remember that line from years ago and still laugh about it every time I see a Gen 1 Panamera.
I have a 2011 Panamera 4 and it won queens choice in a car show. It was up against vintage muscle cars and corvettes. So the looks being bad as everyone says it is, kinda redundant.
Nice review as always guys.......would love to see you guys get your hands on a 2015 Corvette Z06.....keeping my fingers crossed!!! Keep up the good work guys
I know this video is a few years old. But first, I love you guys, and watch you on MotorTrend cable network too. But the trend in most reviews from everyone these days is performance and handling. How about ride comfort when you have to spend a lot of time in the car or doing at least your daily minimum RT hour in the car. The Panamera’s air suspension can give you an extra 1 in/25 mm ride height which should help smooth out bumps potholes expansion joints. It’ll also give you enough height not to scrape the bottom over speedbump‘s or driveways. In comfort mode what might you compare the Panamera to? It is a four-door which means we’re getting it because we have to put people in it - and passengers care more about comfort than they do the driver’s experience !behind the wheel. Motor trend network should put you in the primetime lineup!
Jay Kay “Affordable” in this case means around $15,000-20,000. Seeing as how that’s barely enough to buy a new Toyota Yaris, and how many decidedly non-Sheikhs buy those, I’d argue that the “affordable” moniker is applicable.
The cheapest one at my local Porsche dealer is 76 grand. That's Canadian and it's a 2010 Porsche Panamera 4S. 80,000 kilometers basically 50,000 miles. Not base models available.
This “car is festooned with buttons” lol. Looking at used (non turbo) AWD Panameras. Live in the northland so important they are good in snow glad you covered that. Would still get snow tires for winter.
We bought a 5 year old Panamera 4 with 20k on the odometer, it's a sport-chrono plus PDK for 40k, it has a 3 year warranty and still looks new. Great deals are out there, you just need to act when they present themselves!
Chris can you tell me what is long term opinion on Panamera, any problems overall? Oil consumption? Full tank range? What you hate about it , this is something reviewers are not saying .
It damn near looks like the 8 east headed towards El centro, but im sure its some back roads freeway. California has plenty of those which makes driving a fast car enjoyable. Virginia is a nitemare for anything going over 60 mph with its stupid laws
Lol here I am in 2022 watching this and knowing the blowback I will get but once you make the decision to do the research and watch these vids you realize you're in it and you already made your decision despite also an 80 lb dog who expects to go everywhere with you. Hey it will save his knees avoiding the jump into the SUV right? That's 6k right there thinking long term
Pricing for the base Panamera is the most cynical I can remember from Porsche. I almost forgot how much it incenses me. It's M5 money for a car that would struggle to win a stoplight race against a V6 Camry.
From experience in my case it would be a gotdamn KIA Stinger. If I could do it over again Id get a used CLS 63 AMG or BMw Alpine. Porsche got it wrong with the specs. The 4S shouldve had the 500+ HP and the Turbo should at least come with 600-700 HP. Thats not too much to ask for a $100,000 car. I mean shit the gotdamn Dodge Demon is cheaper than that. V6 Turbo sees like a joke
In Montreal, even high mileage Panameras from 2010 are 62000 + tax, where as a similar A7 (2012+), even with low mileage, can be had for 40-50k. They're not similarly priced here at all, but the Audi looks so much sexier. For that price though, you could get a 1 year old Equus and experience real luxury, without the sexiness.
The downside of the M-cars is that the engine is more of a race car power plant than a daily working horse. Taking around 100hp out of 1 litre without a turbo or a supercharger is Ferrari class stuff. Meaning you do engine maintenance every 7000ml and it's around 3 times more expensive than any other BMW-model maintenance. And it's just oil change, filters and plugs. I've always wanted a BMW e39 M5 and could easily buy one. But a fact is that I cannot afford to keep one maintenanced. If I want to do anything else with my extra money that is.
I agree with the people below. It is NOT an "affordable" car. Even in the countries that sells it the cheapest. Maintenance and tax of it doesn't even qualify it as "affordable". It's a Porsche. In most other countries they cost twice the price or more. No one sees you in this car and say , "Nice affordable car"! The price of it new rivals a Ferrari F360. And Ferraris aren't "affordable cars". A used boxster would be an "affordable car". This is high end ! Even porsche calls it an "executive".
At fifty grand, I start looking around and thinking, aw man, I coulda had an A8. For that much money you can buy an older one (1st gen/D2) and slap the six speed manual into it, then induct up to 450 hp if that's your thing. But since you opened this by mentioning the family car, I think D3 brakes and an S8 rear sway ought to about cover it. Maybe some Bilsteins if it doesn't come with the air ride.
3 years later, tell me all about the A8 you "slapped a six speed manual into and inducted (WTF ever that means lol) to 450 hp". I'm sure you've got a video or two of it. I mean swapping transmissions in new Audis is pretty fucking complex and costly, so I'm sure you want to flex that shit on YT. No? You are just some bitch who reads too many magazines.
I like how people assume that because a car which was once expensive is now affordable thru the used car market, that they can now "afford" it? And maintenance?
I'm not saying this to be a jerk but the ~50k entry-luxury and used-luxury market is actually very affordable for most established middle class families. Yes the maintenance on them is also expensive but again if you can afford the car comfortably then you should be able to afford the maintenance. That's what it truly means to be affordable, and again many people fit this bill.
I can not bring myself to liking this car. Trust me, I have tried. But I was willing to listen to what the both of you had to say about it. Great video as usual!!!
Sure it's only $50,000 to buy. But like all cars like this, it's another $300/month for insurance and every time you take it to the garage it's another $2000. Hardly, what anyone would consider affordable.
I shopped for a used Panamera. First issue: Seats are too small and hard. I'm not a jumbo(6-5, 220 lbs.), but I need more room. Second: Backseat isn't as roomy as you'd think for a car almost as big as a Chevy Impala. The power(twin-turbo V-8) was intoxicating and really the main selling point.
A few points..first time I have seen a video from you where you didn't seem like you were having "fun"...even the most mundane cars until now you had a grin on your face..not so much with the Porsche..it was as if you were trying to say something nice when you didn't want to...second...personally the Audi to me has it all over the Porsche...just love the overall shape of the A7 and iits probably the sexiest looking car on the market...third...4K pounds doesn't seem to be that heavy considering the weight of the other cars now adays....always enjoy your videos but I didn't think this was one of your better ones.
What you have to realize when buying an expensive used car are the parts are still for an expensive new car. So if you bought the car for half the MSRP, the parts are still full price MSRP. I bought a new 2012 4s, $1000 yearly service/oil change, $500 air cleaner as the bumper must be removed, $15,000 air shock repair, $3000 radiator repair, etc. Am expensive vehicle is always expensive. Better to buy new with warranty or cert used with extended warranty. My other car is a Tesla Model X, expensive but essentially no maintenance. Electric is the future. Gas cars too complicated with too many moving parts. This is my 5th Porsche. May have to see the Taycan.
You guys said the CTS-V cost too much for you to review on your show, and then you review these two, both of which cost much more than the CTS-V? I expect Paul to snub the CTS-V in favor of Porsches, but I expect better from Todd. I mean you were even saying the CTS-V was too expensive to review while you were reviewing the Hellcat, which costs almost the same new as the CTS-V. The CTS-V used (and new for that matter) is cheaper than both of these, and faster at the same time, and it's the same class of car. What do you guys have against the CTS-V? I mean this is even called "affordable luxury". Meanwhile you can get a CTS-V as a coupe, a sedan or a wagon, with an automatic or a manual transmission, all for less money than either of these, and the CTS-V wagon is faster than the Panamera TURBO in a straight line, never mind the Panamera 4 you guys review here. I mean unless you actually need AWD, why would you even bother looking at these when you can get a CTS-V for less money? And why hasn't that occurred to you guys yet? And for that matter you can even get a regular CTS with AWD for MUCH less money, and it has the same 320-ish HP as these two do. But the point is really that the CTS-V used easily comes in under that $50k mark you mentioned, it's a MUCH higher performance car than these two are, and it does it in more body styles and with more transmission choices. Todd, I'm looking at you, Mr. Manual. what kind of backwards universe is this where you are reviewing a relatively heavy 300 HP automatic Porsche instead of a 556 HP manual CTS-V that costs less money? That's not snow, that's the performance gods crying frosty tears of disappointment.
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I will never like the Panamera, no matter how hard i try. The rear still looks like a humpback whale. Porsche made and still makes beautiful cars, but this is an exeption. The only thing to like about it is the it handles. This is probably how Paul felt like the 1st time he drove the MazdaSpeed3.
I like your videos- however, I wish that you both could make definitive decisions- don’t be fearful of offending someone- give a Yes or No- stop laying in the cut and riding the median so often! Thank you
Not a family car though. That's kind of the point of this: they have become affordable cars for family duty. I totally agree that if I was after a sports car for that price there are better choices, but for hauling kids at speed? Could do much worse than a Panamara or A7. When I got my S4 it was because those back two seats and doors were far more valuable to me than the extra fun I'd have gotten getting an E92 M3 or S5 or similar.
Most German cars, except for the rare, special model high-performance editions, will depreciate rapidly because you have to maintain them. That's where you get hosed. Then you have to live with a butt-ugly Panamera or an A7, which is not that much prettier. Sorry, but no cigar.
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Have to agree in part with Man. The car is worthy of a 9 minute review, but we don't get enough of the details. Would like more commentary on the nuances such as brake feel, steering input, throttle response, chassis behavior during trail braking, etc... Also more direct comparison commentary to other cars you have reviewed recently and we may be familiar with, such as the Z28, Audi A3, or even the GTR. As unlikely as it seems, I could see a person cross shopping a used GTR and Panamera, and on a test drive it is rare to explore the limits.
Porsche Panamera is awesome, especially the V6 highly reliable you can easily get 300k miles on the engine you don't have to worry about turbos. Have to do rountine maintenance.
I'm a BMW owner. Define highly reliable.
@@bassandtrebleclef If you are a BMW owner, I guess that reliable part is hard to explain.
I have had a v6 that broken, now I have the v8 without the turbo and it goes a lot better.
@@perzy4what year was your v6 3.6?
I daily one of these (2011 Pan 4) have had it since new and it has lasted 4 brutal winters in Chicago. Summer the performance is there, and winter the AWD with continental tires is better than my GL 450 in the snow, no joke. Really impressed.
+601geminijets
How is the maintance? When do you do a tune up & Oil Change?
I traded up for a Panamera 4S that was pretty much fully loaded and got it for a steal... The new one is expected out next year and I'm looking at the GTS. I have never really had an issue with oil and service, tune ups are the usual and not very expensive, especially if you have a local mechanic.
@@601geminijets any problems so far? What about full tank range what do you get?
I'm not affraid of the mpg but of the total range of the tank.
Thanks a lot for that vid... Checked the used A7s, checked the Panamera. Panamera drives more sporty and the interior quality ain't even remotely comparable. I went for a used 2013 Panamera 4 with full leather interior and a few fancy options and, yes, this is affordable luxury : )
This is 2 years later but how was the reliability/ hows it now, if you still have it
Great video. Bought a 2014 Panamera with 33k miles orig sticker was $111k for $45k. Car had 1 year left on CPO warranty. Every option available on this vehicle. I’m glad I bought the car. Car gets a lot of attention and the car is a beast on the road. When I’m on the fast lane everyone moves to right. I feel like a bully. Also easy maintenance with my local German auto vehicle specialist for the basic stuff like oil changes, brakes etc. I highly recommend one of these cars.
Still driving the Panamera?
Thinking of buying one myself. Are you still driving it?
I have a diesel Panamera….awesome do it all sports saloon and 40 mpg! Nothing to touch it.
@@fishytank1land no didn’t use it much
@@Collins91178 no I sold it wasn’t using it much. I preferred my cayenne
Panamera is one of the hottest cars on the road today! does everything right!
X zip
that shot in the snow was gorgeous.
GadgetsNGear i agree
I’d love to own a Panamera,...I need a few more years...
Very good video.. as always.. Your channel should have more views, it have the best reviews on youtube
David L. - Thanks for saying this, we consider it a huge compliment. Glad to have you watching!
The winner? Volkswagen Auto Group.
I believe those basturds will eventually become #1.
I love the Porsche Panerabreada ! those 2010s Turbo ones are "affordable" for about $30K when they were originally about $150K
in Australia a 2014 4S costs $254k usd
not exactly affordable
***** 300k usd here in Malaysia. :(
haha
why so ridiculously expensive? :O :O :O
Sounds like U guys need to move
Well.because of your export fees and whoever bought it brand new had to pay like 150k to.bring it to Australia
The white elephant in the room when you talk about "affordable" luxury is upkeep costs. Porsches nor Audis aren't exactly reasonable to maintain, and several a poor soul has been lured into the used German market only to find they couldn't afford the upkeep.
While certainly appealing cars, by no stretch of the imagination are they affordable.
when i see coments like this i think we are in the seventees , what does a car need more than fuel oil change and filters ? for the first three years of its life you don't need anything more than that , after that a set of tyers and pads , and when the car have 80-100k its time to change the car , well if you keep it you have to change the belt and water pump , nothing too complicated either , today's cars are very reliable
ssllhh100
Well, if I were spending the $100,000 to buy the car new, I suppose you'd have a point about the first three years. Considering this is specifically about buying used, the only ones near $50,000 are of the 2011 vintage. A bit past the mark.
Speaking of the 70s, if you have little faith in a car past 100,000 miles, that doesn't speak well for its reliability now does it?
But don't take my word for it.
www.autoblog.com/buy/2015-Porsche-Panamera/reliability/
I expect more than mediocrity for a car that cost $100,000 new.
ssllhh100 you clearly have not owned a german car of the past decade. back in the early 2000s you could at least DIY most of it, but modern computer systems are extremely hands-off unless you have a $10,000 porsche brand diagnostic machine or whatever the hell. these cars are being engineered to be dealer-dependent and dealers will DESTROY your wallet for the simplest things
***** yes for a daily driver i don't let my cars get over the 100k mark because i daily them , i want them to be depandable , with near to zero problem chance , so yes 100k is as far as it gets for a daily
while you're right on the fact that 50k luxury used one will be a 12 or 13 you care more about the milage , don't take one with more than 50k miles and you're good to go for 2 or three years depending on your yearly milage
and i'm not saying that the car will not be reliable after 100k , the car will be reliable but not as cost effective as you may want it to so get rid of it and keep you hands clean
Ryukachoo what are you talking about ??? for VAG buy a VAGCOM for a couple hunderd bux and you're good to go , i have had a lot of german cars along the years and all of them had no problems at all , because i know how to maintain my cars , more frequent oil changes is the key , if the dealer tell you you need to change oil a 15k do it at 10k that's all , we had a 87 golf that got over 800k miles when sold and you know what , it never stopped for a single day , if you take care of your car it will never let you down
“It looks like a sports car from the front… and in the back is a 991 that can’t put the fork down.” I remember that line from years ago and still laugh about it every time I see a Gen 1 Panamera.
Great Review Period. Thanks for this video, I've been waiting for a review of the base panamera forever
Awesome video! Can anyone tell me what road that was? The mountains in the back are truly stunning! Makes me want to go there right now.
I will keep in mind when buying a car good car my jaguar xjl supercharged is very luxury sedan
Jags aren't known for reliability.
that's my kind of car, love it!! (well the V8 Panamera)
Where was this recorded? The setting is beautiful!
East Canyon in Utah
I have a 2011 Panamera 4 and it won queens choice in a car show. It was up against vintage muscle cars and corvettes. So the looks being bad as everyone says it is, kinda redundant.
Dennis Snider I’m looking to buy a 2012, how’s the car? Has been driving well? My only concern since it’s almost 8 yr old car
Now Panamera 4 and 4s's are under 20k based on recent eBay sales. Amazing!
16k lol
Nice review as always guys.......would love to see you guys get your hands on a 2015 Corvette Z06.....keeping my fingers crossed!!!
Keep up the good work guys
I know this video is a few years old. But first, I love you guys, and watch you on MotorTrend cable network too. But the trend in most reviews from everyone these days is performance and handling. How about ride comfort when you have to spend a lot of time in the car or doing at least your daily minimum RT hour in the car. The Panamera’s air suspension can give you an extra 1 in/25 mm ride height which should help smooth out bumps potholes expansion joints. It’ll also give you enough height not to scrape the bottom over speedbump‘s or driveways. In comfort mode what might you compare the Panamera to? It is a four-door which means we’re getting it because we have to put people in it - and passengers care more about comfort than they do the driver’s experience !behind the wheel. Motor trend network should put you in the primetime lineup!
What highway were you driving on, at the beginning of the video? Nice review.
Ended up buying a '12 BMW X650i. Lots cheaper, slower but still with AWD and very comfy seats. No expensive issues so far.
"Affordable"
Hahaha!! That’s what I thought! “Affordable” for who?
Decadent, oil rich Sheiks?? 🤣😂
Jay Kay don’t exaggerate
Jay Kay “Affordable” in this case means around $15,000-20,000. Seeing as how that’s barely enough to buy a new Toyota Yaris, and how many decidedly non-Sheikhs buy those, I’d argue that the “affordable” moniker is applicable.
@@tenzinsmith lol, the car presented here is at least 30k with the average being around 40k for this model.
@@tenzinsmith where can I find a Panamera for 15k?
I wish they would make that shooting brake concept that they came up with a few years ago. That thing was beautiful.
Andrew Malkin was your pic taken at Multnomah falls?
TVinmyEye I believe so. Good eye. What tipped you off?
well if that's in Oregon than I was just there ha. beautiful scenery.
Andrew Malkin Couldn't agree more. That Sport Wagon version was simply stunning!
The cheapest one at my local Porsche dealer is 76 grand. That's Canadian and it's a 2010 Porsche Panamera 4S. 80,000 kilometers basically 50,000 miles. Not base models available.
How's insurance, though?
You guys rock. Keep it up!
How did my post end up over here?
This “car is festooned with buttons” lol.
Looking at used (non turbo) AWD Panameras. Live in the northland so important they are good in snow glad you covered that. Would still get snow tires for winter.
Looking to buy one. I live in the New England area. Did you get one? How is it in the snow?
Nice sound and editing👍
We bought a 5 year old Panamera 4 with 20k on the odometer, it's a sport-chrono plus PDK for 40k, it has a 3 year warranty and still looks new. Great deals are out there, you just need to act when they present themselves!
Chris can you tell me what is long term opinion on Panamera, any problems overall? Oil consumption?
Full tank range?
What you hate about it , this is something reviewers are not saying .
How about now??
Nice video. Where specifically was this filmed?
my dad drives a 2014 audi a7 but now I know why he won't get the Panarama now it's 4 seater
why didn't you guys film in the canyons of sunny southern california? looks like you went to colorado...
SteveRunciman It actually snowed in Southern California around March 2, 2015. Huntington Beach was covered in snow that day.
Where did you film this video? There are only a few places can have snow in SoCal.
It damn near looks like the 8 east headed towards El centro, but im sure its some back roads freeway. California has plenty of those which makes driving a fast car enjoyable. Virginia is a nitemare for anything going over 60 mph with its stupid laws
You guys rock! Just great common sense reviewing. Thank you!
Lol here I am in 2022 watching this and knowing the blowback I will get but once you make the decision to do the research and watch these vids you realize you're in it and you already made your decision despite also an 80 lb dog who expects to go everywhere with you. Hey it will save his knees avoiding the jump into the SUV right? That's 6k right there thinking long term
The exact color combo am looking for in a porche
Pricing for the base Panamera is the most cynical I can remember from Porsche. I almost forgot how much it incenses me. It's M5 money for a car that would struggle to win a stoplight race against a V6 Camry.
From experience in my case it would be a gotdamn KIA Stinger. If I could do it over again Id get a used CLS 63 AMG or BMw Alpine. Porsche got it wrong with the specs. The 4S shouldve had the 500+ HP and the Turbo should at least come with 600-700 HP. Thats not too much to ask for a $100,000 car. I mean shit the gotdamn Dodge Demon is cheaper than that. V6 Turbo sees like a joke
Those 15s are now 30-40k. Pretty soon the turbos will get in the lower 50s. It’s almost time. The new 2020 turbo is 200k 🤪. I’m waiting the the 4s.
The time is now
WHAT A SURPRISE! SUPER IDEA with the depreciated Expensive 4 dr. Sports Cars. I am waiting for the A-7 :))))
Where did you shoot this video? Canadian Rockies or Colorado?
I'm wondering as well. It looks a lot like Montana in places, but Utah/Colorado in others.
Utah
In Montreal, even high mileage Panameras from 2010 are 62000 + tax, where as a similar A7 (2012+), even with low mileage, can be had for 40-50k. They're not similarly priced here at all, but the Audi looks so much sexier. For that price though, you could get a 1 year old Equus and experience real luxury, without the sexiness.
Nice video, well produced...
Im taking the A7 used with no more than 50,000miles. Its the hottest of the two and goes like hell with surprisingly good economy for its class.
So, wouldn't that make a used M3/M5 the best used performance family car bargains of all time?
The downside of the M-cars is that the engine is more of a race car power plant than a daily working horse. Taking around 100hp out of 1 litre without a turbo or a supercharger is Ferrari class stuff. Meaning you do engine maintenance every 7000ml and it's around 3 times more expensive than any other BMW-model maintenance. And it's just oil change, filters and plugs. I've always wanted a BMW e39 M5 and could easily buy one. But a fact is that I cannot afford to keep one maintenanced. If I want to do anything else with my extra money that is.
Great and we need and wish videos in Real Best 4K 60fps HDR resolution clarity quality soon please and Sound in full HD 3D Stereo Surround.
This is a pretty old video at this point - all our current stuff is 4k.
The new facelift Panamera S and 4S no longer uses a v8. Theyre now using a turbo v6
“And the back looks like a 991 that can’t put the fork down.” Oh dear lord that’s hilarious
My next car, gorgeous 🙂
U guys are saying the new S is a turbo charged engine From the base model, the base model is 3.6, the S is a 3.0 V6 TT..
want one, but no good deals on them, not many below 50k, sure there is a shortage of cars but panamera market should be consistent
wait for the new panemera its pretty
I agree with the people below. It is NOT an "affordable" car. Even in the countries that sells it the cheapest. Maintenance and tax of it doesn't even qualify it as "affordable". It's a Porsche. In most other countries they cost twice the price or more. No one sees you in this car and say , "Nice affordable car"! The price of it new rivals a Ferrari F360. And Ferraris aren't "affordable cars". A used boxster would be an "affordable car". This is high end ! Even porsche calls it an "executive".
Yes used ones because maintenance and repairs on both those cars cost an arm an a leg to repair or service
Yea yea yea we know. Do you even own one?
At fifty grand, I start looking around and thinking, aw man, I coulda had an A8. For that much money you can buy an older one (1st gen/D2) and slap the six speed manual into it, then induct up to 450 hp if that's your thing. But since you opened this by mentioning the family car, I think D3 brakes and an S8 rear sway ought to about cover it. Maybe some Bilsteins if it doesn't come with the air ride.
3 years later, tell me all about the A8 you "slapped a six speed manual into and inducted (WTF ever that means lol) to 450 hp". I'm sure you've got a video or two of it. I mean swapping transmissions in new Audis is pretty fucking complex and costly, so I'm sure you want to flex that shit on YT. No? You are just some bitch who reads too many magazines.
Anything VW needs to be the sport version. I'd take a 2012 or 2013 CLS550 or the new Genesis sedan before touching either vehicles.
beautiful car !
I like how people assume that because a car which was once expensive is now affordable thru the used car market, that they can now "afford" it?
And maintenance?
I'm not saying this to be a jerk but the ~50k entry-luxury and used-luxury market is actually very affordable for most established middle class families. Yes the maintenance on them is also expensive but again if you can afford the car comfortably then you should be able to afford the maintenance. That's what it truly means to be affordable, and again many people fit this bill.
I can not bring myself to liking this car. Trust me, I have tried. But I was willing to listen to what the both of you had to say about it. Great video as usual!!!
Sure it's only $50,000 to buy. But like all cars like this, it's another $300/month for insurance and every time you take it to the garage it's another $2000. Hardly, what anyone would consider affordable.
i have thinked to buy one for 4 years and after this i buy one
V6? Interesting.
i still would go with the panamera
I like the car. But u forgot to mention ALL THE ISSUES. Particularly all the engine problems. Especially the engines locking up.
What do you mean by problems?
Could you be more specific , what engines in particular , 3.0 3.6,4.8,and turbo.models.
Do your research. Both 6 and 8 cylinder engines have catastrophic issues. And repairs will empty your wallet.
I like the a7 because I cant afford the panamera here in Aus
Very god review !!
Fairly cheap for that kind of performance and capability, but the maintenance costs though... Whew...
How much is to replace ceramic brakes on a Porsche? 6000euros You say???
The background music choice??
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i do not envy the maintenance costs for either of these. dear god
oil changes alone are probably someone's car payment right now.
Ryukachoo i do not envy that ugly ass panamera lol that rear end ... looks like a lowered SUV lol
+jo23bulls Hahaha... yes but only required every 15k miles so not bad...
andy993
DON'T do it every 15k. Don't, don't, don't. Change the oil every 7k and you'll save yourself a lot of tears later.
You will once you do your first oil change of 300$
I shopped for a used Panamera. First issue: Seats are too small and hard. I'm not a jumbo(6-5, 220 lbs.), but I need more room. Second: Backseat isn't as roomy as you'd think for a car almost as big as a Chevy Impala. The power(twin-turbo V-8) was intoxicating and really the main selling point.
A few points..first time I have seen a video from you where you didn't seem like you were having "fun"...even the most mundane cars until now you had a grin on your face..not so much with the Porsche..it was as if you were trying to say something nice when you didn't want to...second...personally the Audi to me has it all over the Porsche...just love the overall shape of the A7 and iits probably the sexiest looking car on the market...third...4K pounds doesn't seem to be that heavy considering the weight of the other cars now adays....always enjoy your videos but I didn't think this was one of your better ones.
What you have to realize when buying an expensive used car are the parts are still for an expensive new car. So if you bought the car for half the MSRP, the parts are still full price MSRP. I bought a new 2012 4s, $1000 yearly service/oil change, $500 air cleaner as the bumper must be removed, $15,000 air shock repair, $3000 radiator repair, etc. Am expensive vehicle is always expensive. Better to buy new with warranty or cert used with extended warranty. My other car is a Tesla Model X, expensive but essentially no maintenance. Electric is the future. Gas cars too complicated with too many moving parts. This is my 5th Porsche. May have to see the Taycan.
The only number that bothered me was the 15 grand air shocks…..Tell me that was 1500 lol
I would be too embarrassed to drive this car around and parking next to other cars that do not look one this!! lol
Panamera is basically a lowered Cayenne
You guys said the CTS-V cost too much for you to review on your show, and then you review these two, both of which cost much more than the CTS-V? I expect Paul to snub the CTS-V in favor of Porsches, but I expect better from Todd. I mean you were even saying the CTS-V was too expensive to review while you were reviewing the Hellcat, which costs almost the same new as the CTS-V.
The CTS-V used (and new for that matter) is cheaper than both of these, and faster at the same time, and it's the same class of car. What do you guys have against the CTS-V? I mean this is even called "affordable luxury". Meanwhile you can get a CTS-V as a coupe, a sedan or a wagon, with an automatic or a manual transmission, all for less money than either of these, and the CTS-V wagon is faster than the Panamera TURBO in a straight line, never mind the Panamera 4 you guys review here.
I mean unless you actually need AWD, why would you even bother looking at these when you can get a CTS-V for less money? And why hasn't that occurred to you guys yet? And for that matter you can even get a regular CTS with AWD for MUCH less money, and it has the same 320-ish HP as these two do. But the point is really that the CTS-V used easily comes in under that $50k mark you mentioned, it's a MUCH higher performance car than these two are, and it does it in more body styles and with more transmission choices.
Todd, I'm looking at you, Mr. Manual. what kind of backwards universe is this where you are reviewing a relatively heavy 300 HP automatic Porsche instead of a 556 HP manual CTS-V that costs less money? That's not snow, that's the performance gods crying frosty tears of disappointment.
an F10 is also affordable luxury these days
V6 is under powered for that weight.
JediFarce that’s what I thought until I test drove one recently, V6 330hp. It took off like a rocket
getting one soon yep!!!
they are both VW group cars... not really competitors
TOLD YA!!! BUY THEM USED!!!!!
Dear Everyday Driver. Why don,t you make reviews on cars that everydayDrivers actually can afford to drive.
ib4cx3pt - Our "Everyday Driver" branded reviews generally mean cars available for around 50k or less. The average new car price is now over $30k, but we're not sure who you consider the pricepoint for Everyday Drivers. While this comparison (and the Z28 vs. Hellcat before it) are at the upper end of our discussion, we've driven many cars in the past year available for $30k or less. We hope you'll seek out those reviews, and if you have a specific request, we welcome it. Meanwhile, our "Car Debate" podcast discusses cars at all budget levels, most often budgets of $20k and below. We'd love to have you listening!
These are available now starting at about $26K in Canadian dollars. I would consider that very affordable.
I will never like the Panamera, no matter how hard i try. The rear still looks like a humpback whale. Porsche made and still makes beautiful cars, but this is an exeption. The only thing to like about it is the it handles. This is probably how Paul felt like the 1st time he drove the MazdaSpeed3.
***** humpback whale? LOL LOL
I DONT agree but THAT was FUNNY
you mean A8
Looks like a car where it is better to sit inside and drive, damn it's ugly, a car cover is a must if it is to be parked outside :)
I like your videos- however, I wish that you both could make definitive decisions- don’t be fearful of offending someone- give a Yes or No- stop laying in the cut and riding the median so often! Thank you
Have you seen part two of this where we pick favorites? Thanks for watching!
For 50k I would buy so many other vehicles. 996 Turbo are cheap as fuck right now.
Not a family car though. That's kind of the point of this: they have become affordable cars for family duty. I totally agree that if I was after a sports car for that price there are better choices, but for hauling kids at speed? Could do much worse than a Panamara or A7. When I got my S4 it was because those back two seats and doors were far more valuable to me than the extra fun I'd have gotten getting an E92 M3 or S5 or similar.
If I were shopping for a turbocharged luxury 4 seater with... controversial looks, I think I'd go for the BMW 550GT
Competitors??. They are made by the same company
Most German cars, except for the rare, special model high-performance editions, will depreciate rapidly because you have to maintain them. That's where you get hosed. Then you have to live with a butt-ugly Panamera or an A7, which is not that much prettier. Sorry, but no cigar.
50k is just the down payment on them probably :(
You can find one lightly used for 50k.
Most people buy these with a warranty like I did even used. Stop talking shit if you have never done the research. lol
These broke sss trolls are ridiculous
really want to like the panamera but the looks are an absolute deal breaker. hope porsche can make the next one more beautiful
Veyronp87 - Based on your earlier comment... We're sensing you'd like us to review the CTS-V. ;-) You are absolutely right that the Caddy applies here, as do many other cars that are in that 70-100k range and have now dropped below 50. We chose these two because they are so incredibly similar in size, stats, and form factor, plus they are both AWD. This was intended as a fully snowed-in review (CTS-V would not have been ideal or similar enough). But by the time we shot it was little snow and bitter, bitter cold. Having said that, we'd love to review the CTS-V wagon and hope to do so. Unfortunately most of the ones we've found have been tuned into even bigger monsters. So... we are looking into ways to start including tuned cars on our channel. Lots going on behind the scenes and we look forward to sharing. Thanks for being with us, and we appreciate the comments!
They did,
The newest once are a lot better
who are you and why should we take your opinion
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Um, you don't have to. Last I checked RUclips is completely voluntary. Strange comment.
No it's a sports car that seats 4, not a family wagon, I wouldn't let my kids anywhere near it because it's Daddys toy.
Gets really creepy towards the end.
I don't think this video worth 9 min. You guys are keep talking the same thing over and over again like a sales person, not like a reviewer.
Have to agree in part with Man. The car is worthy of a 9 minute review, but we don't get enough of the details. Would like more commentary on the nuances such as brake feel, steering input, throttle response, chassis behavior during trail braking, etc... Also more direct comparison commentary to other cars you have reviewed recently and we may be familiar with, such as the Z28, Audi A3, or even the GTR. As unlikely as it seems, I could see a person cross shopping a used GTR and Panamera, and on a test drive it is rare to explore the limits.
and no they are not cheap!