I’ll be back… for the second one || THE TERMINATOR (1984) Movie Reaction
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The most amazing thing about this movie is the fact it was shot in around 60 days with a budget of 6.4 million in the year 1984. To put that into some kind of meaningful context, The Karate Kid released in the same year cost $8 million while Ghostbusters cost 30 million. The fact this movie even exists is bordering on inconceivable a truly remarkable achievement.
Robert Rodriguez's first movie _El Mariachi_ cost ten thousand dollars to make. He borrowed a camera and got people to act for free and let him use their property to film. The ten thousand was literally the cost of the film in the camera. In the final scene where the hero confronts the main bad guy, the bad guy is surrounded by his remaining gang, but if you look closely, they're all kids, because all the adult characters had already been killed and there was nobody left to play the gang.
they fix it in the next being the most expensive until Titanic
This is what most people miss, when comparing this, and T2. The original was so great in concept and artistic achievement, it's the only reason they got the astronomical budget to make the second so good. True, they both stand up as blockbusters on their own, but daddy paved the way for junior by being a cinematic masterpiece, even outside of the sci-fi genre.
If that is inconceivable then you should definitely watch paranormal activity which only had $15k budget & grossed 190mil & also Blair Witch Project which had 60k budget. So yeah those are far more superior achievements.
It gets even more unbelievably crazy when you get to know all the circumstances that surrounded the making of this movie. This is the most in-depth video i’ve seen explaining it:
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Arnold’s flesh was rotting. He smelled really bad. That’s why the janitor asked if he had a dead cat in his apartment. 😂
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Poopy scadooty yucky
One thing I really appreciate about this movie is there is no scene wasted. Every scene is done with purpose. That's actually amazing.
I feel that way about almost every James Cameron movie
"Movies were so different back then"
Movies were so much better back then.
Terminator 1 & 2 are both classics, but I'm one of the few that prefers the original with it being more horror focused :-)
You are not alone. The original is a superior movie, in my opinion.
Likewise.
Don't worry I'm think that as well. Honestly I still think the series went down hill cause it kept going more and more action and dropping the horror elements.
I appreciate both very much.
The success of T2 is understandable, I also loved it as a teenager but T1 (especially in retrospect) was a completely unique and unrepeatable sci-fi dystopia.
"I believe John has been conceived." Best part out of all the reaction.
Can you imagine how John feels before sending Kyle. Knowing this is your father that’s going to save your mother but dying is the process. The conflicting emotions which ultimately have to be resolved.
He didn’t know
Of course he did. Sarah told him. And why do you think he gave Kyle the picture of Sarah? Hey random guy, here's a picture of my mom. No reason.
But Kyle said that John told him it was one possible future. So he was hoping that he would survive with his mother.
@@kevineroseThis is true. But even he was unsure how time travel worked, could've been a fixed timeline where everything that has happened, always happened. Could just be one long infinite loop but we know from the future movies that the loop can be broken and in theory Kyle could've survived. Maybe there's a timeline where Kyle did survive in one of those infinite tries where he goes back in time over and over again.
Assuming Sarah tells John about his father. Remember, this is just the first movie (no spoilers) 😉
The 2nd is fantastic. But I'll always like the original more. Like the darker more horror feel.
Me too...
Definitely, the majority say the 2nd but the connoisseurs always say the 1st.
@@RITWINS, second is an overblown goof filled sci fi action/adventure. First is a bloody masterpiece of almost inescapable terror...................
@@GGGritzer What a perfect description... lol
The first is more horror, the second more action, similar to the Alien movies.
"You could find people's addresses in the phone book?" Reality has hit my 51 year old self.
But you would still need a map of you weren't familiar with the address. Lol I'm not sure kids these days can even read a map.
If the Terminator didn't know much about Sarah, it couldn't know for sure that she would be listed in the phone book. She could have been still living with her parents, or she could have been married with the phone in her husband's name. There was a 50/50 chance the phone would be in Ginger's name. Many young people didn't have a phone and used payphones. So after killing the 3 Sarah Connors in the phone book, the Terminator would probably have started looking for all the other Sarah Connors not listed.
And today you can find their addresses and phone numbers and everything about them online. Phone book was much safer.
You could, but people could chose not to be listed; at least they could in UK. Its called Ex-directory.
Back then, you had to know what city someone lived in, search in the phone book for that specific city,, and find their number, and maybe address if they wanted to be listed. Then, you had to get a paper map of the area and find it from there.
Nowadays, alot of this information is available online, from anywhere in the world, and GPS will take you straight to them.
@@padmelotus Same in the US. We were always unlisted.
I don't think Matt gets enough credit. His reaction time was excellent, and he didn't give up easily. He would have kept Ginger safe from any normal attacker.
That German Shepherd who was with Sarah at the end of the movie and barking at the Terminator was the director’s dog Beowulf, nicknamed Wolfie. He shows up again in the sequel.
You’re gonna love T2! Best movie sequel ever! A huge turning point in the history of visual effects for one
You nailed the main reason why The Terminator still holds up today. Even though it’s an 80s film, there’s never a moment of cringe or cheese during its runtime because it’s an exceptionally well-written and acted story. The script holds up and the dialogue doesn’t feel dated. Characters act exactly the way a person would act in this crazy situation.
Another reason it holds up was the attention to detail. Like you mentioned “that’s not Sarah” after the T800 killed Ginger. Arnie’s character didn’t know this because, unlike Reese, he didn’t have a picture of Sarah to go by, so he just assumed that this girl living at Sarah’s address must have been her. Cameron really paid attention to all the little things when he made this film.
Here's something to think about. Skynet creates a time machine to send a terminator back to kill Sarah. They do it to eliminate John. But if they'd never created the time machine, John wouldn't exist because Kyle couldn't have gone back.
Even more of a mind f*ck is that, as we learn in T2, the technology used to create Skynet was developed from the remains of the terminator they sent back in time to kill Sarah and eliminate John. So, if they'd never created the time machine, not only would John never have existed, but neither would they.
As he said in this movie, they came from a possible future, so that future still exists, they came back in time in order to create a new timeline.
Is imposible know how was John Connor in the ''time line zero''. Is not the Reese son, thats for sure, but exist.
@@piloto88ed It could have been a totally different John Connor, from a different father. She names her baby John because Kyle tells her John's name.
It's a boot-strap paradox. They both needed each other so the universe allowed it.
5:40 Ah, yes. The ancient past was a very different time. Phone booths on every street corner, and every booth had a phone book with everyone's name, address and phone number. Some people even wrote out their entire social security number on certain things to prove ownership. And whenever the phone rang in the early '80s, it was always spam-free! Unfortunately there was no GPS, so people had to rely on actual paper maps to navigate a city. Truly an alien time.
And the Constitution of the United States actually existed and we had more freedoms without people trying to destroy religion God and Country.
What’s so sad is that when talking about the picture, Kyle mentioned how Sarah looked so sad and he used to always wonder what she was thinking about at that moment. Sarah was thinking about him.
They are true soul mates. Their lives, forever intertwined in some time loop.
Your deadpan 'I believe John....has been...conceived' LMAO classic! 😂
Hey, Evie! This is a modern classic of science fiction.
This movie put director James Cameron on the map and became one of Schwarzenegger's signature roles. "I'll be back." and "Come with me if you want to live." entered into the general lexicon.
This is my favorite of the franchise but many prefer the sequel to the original. The first sequel is well worth watching and is also directed by Cameron.
There are six films in the series which grow increasingly convoluted and provide diminishing returns although they are all entertaining on some level. However, none match the simplicity and elegance of the original in my opinion.
A very popular franchise, "The Terminator" spawned a television series, a comic book series, multiple video games, detailed action figures for adult collectors and merchandise.
Several actors who would later feature in Cameron's "Aliens" worked with him here first:
-- Kyle Reese was played by Michael Biehn who was Cpl. Dwayne Hicks
-- the punk with the blue spiky hair was played by the late Bill Paxton who was Pvt. Hudson
-- the lanky Det. Vukovich was played by Lance Henriksen who was the android Bishop
The late Paul Winfield, who played Lt. Traxler, was an accomplished character actor known for his love of science fiction, his amazing performance in "Sounder" and his portrayal of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
The late Dick Miller, who played the gun shop owner, was a prolific character actor best known for "Gremlins".
Earl Boen, who played the skeptical psychologist Dr. Silberman, reprises the role twice more in the franchise!
Linda Hamilton also reprises the role of Sarah Connor twice more in the franchise and, like Sigourney Weaver's Ellen Ripley, the character became a feminist icon.
As the series progresses, it becomes more and more apparent that the 'singularity' -- or artificial intelligence -- is an inevitability that cannot be thwarted. A war against thinking machines is a common trope of cinematic and literary science fiction. It remains one of the top five doomsday scenarios of the genre which include alien invasion, nuclear holocaust, zombie apocalypse and ecological collapse.
It is a surprisingly romantic film with lines like, "I came across time for you, Sarah."
The most romantic element in the movie is that the picture of Sarah given to Kyle by their son, John Connor, which causes Kyle to fall in love with Sarah captures a moment where she's remembering Kyle and the time they shared. He cherished an image of a frozen moment when she was thinking of him. Beautiful detail.
Phone books were wild. If you had someone's name, you could find their full address and phone number by stopping at the nearest payphone, which were back then on most corners and outside many businesses, though by this point every home had a phone so every home had a phone book. Single women eventually started listing themselves just by their first initial, but since almost only single women did that, it didn't actually do much of anything.
The phone books came out every year, so you'd have people walking or driving around, setting these huge soft-backed books at your doorstep--or hurling them, if they were running late or if they just didn't care.
The real fun one was the criss-cross at the library. If you had _any_ of the three pieces of information, you could get the other two. You could look people up by address or phone number. No one thought anything was wrong with any of this.
Yeah and good luck finding an intact phone book at a payphone, most had pages ripped out. 😁
@@georgedolen1486phone book. Hell the phones were broken a lot of the time.
You could always opt to be ex-directory. Problem solved. I did cos there was no reason for a random stranger to contact me.
True but these days 5 minutes and someone could have your name, address, work history, address history, who you know and are related to, who you went to school with, and a satellite image of your house and all your friends etc.
I did a simple google search on my name and found TONS of info on me, and you can get even more if you wanna pay a little more and now theres your dna and medical family history etc. I wonder if we were better off with big phonebooks etc lol
Her saying that about the phone book made me feel extremely old.😂
"Looks like a _zombie_ right now, or something." Yes! The Terminator is very much like a zombie since it'll _never_ stop attacking until you make it physically impossible for it to continue.
The Terminator's eyebrows were burned off when he ran through fire. It happened just before he jumped on the hood of the car and punched through the windshield.
Yes. John is older than Kyle when Kyle is sent into the past. But Kyle was old enough (and Sarah's age) to father a child.
Here is something that was difficult for me to grasp. Kyle grew up in the rubble hiding from HKs until he comes across and teams up with John. From the sound of it (even though they don't really say) Kyle idolized John and most likely looked up to him as a father. So, this is a case of the son raising his own father as though he were his son. Then being forced to make the terrible decision to send his own son/father into the past even though he knew he was going to die and never see him again.
Great video and reaction! Reese's timeline is linear. He's born in the future, lives, goes back to the past and dies. So even though he's technically younger than his son, because he went back in time, he is able to father a child. Great job on understanding the time-travel paradox. That throws a lot of people off. The Causal Loop paradox is tricky if you have no concept of it. I was born in 85, and I barely remember the '80s. I was a '90s kid in terms of nostalgia. But I love this movie.
Also he volunteers. He wasn't chosen by John
The remaster of this film is impeccable. The benefits of in camera effects and film.
The new sound effects are terrible. The 45 longslide should sound like a cannon. Instead, it sounds like a squeaky toy
james cameron showing his mastery of filmmaking early on
Terminator 2 is one of the best sequels of all time on the best movies of all time
No multiple timelines needed to understand it all, and Kyle’s age vs John’s age is irrelevant because Kyle traveled back. There’s just one timeline in which (chronologically) Kyle appears from seemingly nowhere, dies, then later is born and ends up going back in time.
"Did he lose his eyebrows?" Yes, he jumped through flames to get on their car.
and som hair
Saw this in theater in high school with s couple friends. It was a cult classic and became famous mostly through word of mouth. It wasn't advertised a lot like a big budget blockbuster would be.
That's cool!
19:45 The most unbelievable thing in this whole movie is "that couch is very comfortable".
8:34 A _parking_ garage, at _night,_ in the _1980s._ Nowadays, camera technology is cheap enough that whoever owns the garage can afford to put up surveillance cameras in _all_ parts of the garage that cannot be seen from the street, to be continuously monitored by on-duty private _security_ personnel. This makes them relatively _safe._ In the '80's, though, camera technology was not _nearly_ so cheap, so Sarah is actually _much_ more in danger, here, than she would be today.
"He found his address like that? Could you find people's addresses in the phone book?"
The Terminator is a clever twist to the 80's horror villain that does not die.
Gotta appreciate the resilience, that thing is on a MISSION
Terminator and Terminator 2 are 2 of my Top 5 best sci-fi films of all time. The time travel paradoxes are great.
well of course John is older than Kyle, because Kyle hasnt been born yet in 1984... then he is born, grows up, meets John, and goes back to 1984. If you invented a time machine and went back in time and met Beethoven, you would still have been born centuries after Beethoven died
Considering the fact that Arnold is a really nice and funny guy IRL, his performance in this movie is amazeballs 👍👍❤❤ Also: Sarah Connor is a fkng badass, and I can't wait to see your reaction to her in the sequel 😍😍
He was chilling in this lol, but no doubt he's a cool guy :)
Yeah, when I was a kid you could find people's addresses in the phone book. Here in England anyway (I'm 48 now). Society was a bit more trusting back in those days, maybe. Or people 'conformed' more. And yeah, this film is where "I'll be back" and "Come with me if you want to live" come from. Arnie did "I'll be back" in most (all?) of his films after this. He actually argued with the director, as Arnie felt "I will be back" would sound better and more robotic, but it's now a classic.
Don't overthink the time travel stuff for this one. For historical context, this movie is almost 40 years old now, and certainly not that it was the first ever, but it really was one of the early films to popularize the time travel theme. The whole concept and theory of it has been expanded upon and redone since, and idiots like me have now spent decades over analyzing all of this, but at that time, it wasn't really much of a thing yet that anybody besides physicists or super Sci fi nerds probably ever thought too much about it. So don't expect it to be groundbreaking accurate scientific theory. I'll say it! We were just dumber back then, and it's a movie, so it does require some suspension of disbelief.
Not that you really made much of a deal about it, but the other thing that gets me about younger people reacting to this is how strange they find it that Reese could be in love with Sarah having only ever seen a picture of her. Granted, the romance in that scene was pretty cheesey even then, but I feel that was more accepted then. Again, we were more naive and gullible about some things, just as your generation is about others. That's right! There was a big book that contained everyone's phone number and address in it that was readily available in public at any payphone, and a personal copy was delivered to your home for you to keep. It was different times.
The point of going to a movie is to escape the reality of your life, and to believe in something different, and maybe even better. Some people like sappy romance, and aren't too jaded to believe it's possible, or at least relish in the fantasy that it could be.
Hell! I fall in love with people I've never met all the time! I even sometimes sit and watch them, watch a movie that I've already seen several times. It happens. You're honestly going to tell me you never had a poster of some celebrity on the wall of your bedroom, and an irrational emotional attachment to someone you never met before? You never sat in class at school staring at the back of the head of someone that you never had the courage to ever talk to? Seriously? Nothing? Are you all just medicated out of having any normal human behavior?
Particularly for Reese that came from such a horrific existence. God forbid the guy look at a picture of a beautiful woman and cling to the only reminence of hope he can manage that allows him to fantasize about something better than the pain, agony, and desolation that he's experienced everyday of his life. What a creep!
Love this classic 80's Arnold movie. Hope you watch the sequel T2
It took 7 years to come out, but was worth the wait.
Avie I know you've seen Alien, but did you see the sequel Aliens? From 1986. Just 2 years after Terminator. Just like Terminator, Aliens was directed by James Cameron and he hired 3 actors from this movie including Michael Biehn who played (Kyle Reese) to star in Aliens.
Enjoyed the way you summed this up at the end, great work!!
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Evie, “They’re gonna bang”
CORRECT! 😆😆😆
Yes, time traveling is indeed complicated 😄
"They could find people in a phone book?" That is funny!
Kyle wondered what Sarah was thinking in that photo. She was thinking of Kyle.
Yes. The Terminator lost his eyebrows in the fiery explosion just prior to his punching 👊 through the windshield to grab Sarah. He now looks even more menacing and not quite human. Almost like an unstoppable Frankenstein monster! -OG
18:31 "Is he John's daddy?"
😳Son of a _gun,_ Evie. I mean, it's _pretty_ impressive when someone figures that out a scene or two before the big reveal, but I don't think I've _ever_ seen someone figure it out _this_ early in the movie. That was astute. That was _very_ astute.
Great reaction! I think you should definitely watch the second one. ✌️💞
Yes, Kyle is younger than John when he is sent back, even though he ends up Johns father. At the end of this movie Kyle is not to be born for about another 10-15 years. Trivia: this is one of a trilogy of James Camron films where the actor Michel Beihn (Kyle Reese) was bitten in the hand. And the same gas station is a reoccurring location in many of the Terminator films as well.
Excellent reaction. I'm one of the oldsters who saw this in the theaters when it came out. Fantastic experience. Thank you.
The 2nd Terminator movie is my absolute favorite 100%
I'll definitely be watching it!
@@eviereacts now that you’ve seen the original. When you watch T2 maybe you’ll feel some nostalgia
Yes, you can get people's addresses from a phone book of you have a landline phone.
People can also get your name and address if any property you own if they go you the county recorder in your county and get that information through a public records =request.
12:27 "Is that where the classic line comes from?!" It sure is!
Yes you could find people's addresses in the phone book. We were doxxed officially and it was renewed every year and people expected nothing less. If they for some reason did not put out the annual phone book, people would have been outraged. Best of all it caused no fear and created no crimes that wouldn't have happened anyway. Today's fear of doxxing still makes me laugh.
When this came out, I was 17. This was the first R-rated movie I ever saw in theaters.
Not a bad first.
I have loved this movie my whole life since that day.
My kids were born in 94 and 97 and they both grew up watching movies from the 70s and 80s.
I had a big collection.
The movies from the 90s were good too.
If my kids were born 8-10 years ago, I would definitely introduce them to movies before they were born since almost all movies made in the last 10 years just aren't worth very good.
Mostly, mid 1970s to mid 2010s was Hollywood's heyday.
My all-time favourite movie fun fact: The producers wanted OJ Simpson to play the terminator, but James Cameron, the director, didn't think he looked like a killer.
Masterpiece ever. Great ❤❤❤❤❤
13:47 "He lose his eyebrows?" Yep, in the fire at 12:58. It also gave him a haircut! 🔥💇♂😆
Your facial expressions during the love scene are priceless!! 😂😂😂
1. Linda Hamilton ROCKED. She's really built in T2.
2. Along with Lance Henriksen/Vukovich, Michael Biehn/Reese the late Bill Paxton/punk also played in Aliens as Bishop, Hicks and Hudson respectively.
3.We have limited AI now.
4. If this wasn't a movie the ammunition would not have been available on the gun shop counter.
5. Ginger's boyfriend Matt must be a lousy lay if she needs rock and roll to "rock and roll".🙄
6. Watching people react to the eye operation is worth watching this all by itself.
TERMINATOR 1 2 3 and 4 make a complete story that makes sense. There's haters in every movie franchise, and this one has tons. TERMINATOR 3 and 4 are quite good, but you're going to hear people say to skip them. You will enjoy both. I've seen other channels react to them and they also enjoyed them. There's only 1 franchise movie that was so bad that I'd say skip it, and that is JAWS 4. Although there's tons that I would say could have been better, most franchise movies are worth watching at least once.
Before smartphones that saved all your phone numbers, you had to of memorized the number, written it down( usually in a little black book), ask an operator for a listing, or look it up in a yellow( for residential) or white ( for government and business) pages. They also listed addresses so you could potentially write or visit them. Each city or region had it's own different phone books. Also, calls weren't free. You had to keep putting money into the pay phone for more time. Even more for long distance calls.
Welcome to one of the best predestination paradoxes in film history. Great reaction, glad you loved this excellent film. Hope you also decide to react to Terminator 2.
The Terminator and the sequel Terminator 2: Judgment Day (one of the best sequels in cinematic history, and even better than the original, in my opinion) certainly hold up very well in this day and age. In fact, they are even more relevant nowadays with the emergence and rapid development of artificial intelligence; Sky Net and the dawn of malicious machines are right around the corner!
Terminator 2 is a must follow up.
I highly recommend you watch Terminator 2 soon, while the original is still fresh in your mind. You'll love it. 😊
Part two will answer all Your questions, great Podcast Young Lady!
When looking at rhe special effects juat remember this was actually a very low budget movie. As for Arnold being the villain this is pretty much the only movie where he is a villain and is one of his first movies. He had only made two movies before this one (Hercules in New York and Conan the barbarian.) This was the movie that made him a big name even though he (and the studio) thought it was gonna flop
3:54 This scene has _always_ struck me as especially curious. This is 1984 Los Angeles. The city's population was more than 3,000,000. Yet, in the entire city, only _three_ people had a name as unexotic as "Sarah Connor?"
The terminator's eyebrows were singed off by the gas tank explosion
Literally every reactor misses this.
I prefer this film to the overblown big-budget sequel that eventually came along in 1991. The original movie was a big surprise. James Cameron had only made one previous film and it was a cheap, drive0in type exploitation horror movie. His next film, "The Terminator," was supposed to be a sci-fi exploitation film that would be fun for fans of the genre but not necessarily a big hit with general audiences. But it turned out better than expected. On a budget of $6.5M it returned around $80M (some 12x its budget). And it MADE Arnold into a big star, whereas previously he was considered to be sort of a joke with his "Conan" movies and thick accent. In this film his lack of speaking and his physical presence worked perfectly.. Cameron followed up with the big special effects film "Aliens" which was a smash hit and sent him on his way to huge success. "The Terminator 2: Judgement Day" (1991) had a huge budget of $100M and was loaded with action and special effects, but lacked the heart and suspense of the smaller, cheaper film. It made $500M worldwide (5x the budget), and it has lots of fans. But I prefer film that come out of nowhere and surprise audiences, as the first one did.
6.4 million*🤦♀
78.3 million*🤦♀
Judgment*🤦♀
102 million*🤦♀
519 - 520.9 million*🤦♀
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"You could find people's addresses in the phone book?" Oh sweetie.
24:54 "Like it's gonna do anything."
It's going to help her get accustomed to handling a _firearm._ Apparently, that's a trait she will _need,_ in the future.
24:26 - "Why? He smells?" - Yes. In order to keep their skin alive, terminators need some internal systems to circulate blood, and to process oxygen and food. It's not stated in the movie, but during one of the shootouts, the small pump that circulates its blood was destroyed, so its skin was rotting. Which is why there are flies on its face.
If you haven't watched the sequel yet, PLEASE watch the extended edition. It has extra scenes that help flesh out parts of the story. Don't watch the "extreme" edition, just the normal extended version.
Ohhh I see! I kind of thought it was something like that, or that he was supposed to have killed Sarah faster and that his flesh was rotting because it was taking too long🤣 but that makes more sense!! Also, noted for Terminator 2 extended edition :)
I wish in the beginning of the third film, they showed John Connor running away from another T-101. This would completely destroy Johns illusion that the Terminator was or is his father. Only to find Kyle where he gains a real bond with him. It would make Kyles sacrifice that much more meaningful in The Terminator. This is the best version of Terminator Salvation i can think of. This could also be the best version of the Sarah Connor Chronicles episode where John's supposed uncle shows John his father at a young age.
I was also born in 1997 and this was the first R-rated movie I ever watched.
I was 16 in 1984. I'm a Time Traveler Too
Glad you liked the movie. I didn’t see this in theaters but remember when terminator 2 came out it. It was a huge deal and saw that one in theaters. T2 was a milestone film for James Cameron the director. Hope your back for T2.
you are right Evie, in this movie the timeline is linear and therefor a loop. The irony in that is that the war was won by the human resistance and in a last ditch effort to save itself, skynet, the machines, send a terminator back to prevent the resistance from winning the war by killing its leader before he was born. What skynet didn't know of couse is that the humans then send back someone as well, Kyle Reese, who is John Connors father. The combination of John being able to grow up in a peacefull world and being fed the knowledge of the war through his mother caused the human resistance to rise up from there. so without the timetravelling John Connor would have never existed and thus no human resistance to defeat Skynet so Skynet inadvertedly helped in its own destruction. The second movie is better but changes all that, turning it into a parallel timeline concept, alternate universes. Keep that in mind when watching the next ones. From then on the timelines don't make sense.
The way Kyle described it "One Possible Future" is Kyle came back in time from a future that was possible because of the alterations made to the timeline. There was an initial timeline where john was born without Kyle coming back in time. when kyle and the terminator came back in time it created a new timeline where the future is kyles future. Consider the new timeline as timeline+
at least that is how I interpret it to work.
Initial Timeline John defeats the terminators sends kyle back in time to stop last terminator the T800
Timeline+ Kyle traveled back and altered the timeline leaving sarah with information on the terminators and leaving terminator parts behind.
Timeline++ comes into play in the 2nd movie. where the fact that Kyle and the terminator changed the timeline leads to a future where the time machine isnt invented at T800 since sarah learned of terminators early and terminator parts were left behind the time machine isnt invented until T1000 Terminator model is created.
we never see the initial timeline becuase it is erased the moment kyle is send back in time, everything we see in the first movie is the Timeline+
Very well explained... But also the events in T1 and T2 have already happened and we are seeing it for the 2nd or countless times that its happened through the endless time loop. The picture of Sarah at the end being the same one that Reese had leads us to believe this happened at least once before already and will continue on and on. So wouldn't timeline + and timeline ++ be the same timeline? I am a little confused on how the time machine isn't invented at T800 but until the T1000 model is created if we are to believe the events we are seeing have already happened before. Why not send the T1000 back in T1 instead... Plot hole or am I not understanding correctly?
@@donwilk9196 it comes back to the “one possible future” line, imagine from this moment there are an infinite number of possible futures. In one of them robots take over but they are eventually defeated. In a last ditch effort they send back their latest model of terminator the T800 to kill the mother of the resistance. But it fails because the humans sent one of them back to save Sarah. Who prepared her and in fact impregnated her with the machines worst enemy. This leaves Residue of that one possible future in the present in the form of Sarah being informed of terminators before they are to exist (giving Sarah the knowledge to teach to her son, boosting him and his prowess against the machines, and parts of terminators for dison to find. ( giving the terminators a boost in technology as well) this residue of a timeline in which the humans defeated the machines leads to a new timeline in which the Arnold terminator is captured and reprogrammed before the time machine is even built. Then by the time the Time Machine is built the machines send their latest model the T1000 to kill John instead since they already know they failed in the previous timeline because of the residue.
@@donwilk9196 actually now that I think about it there doesn’t have to be a timeline in which John exists without Kyle being sent back. The terminators created their own worst enemy by sending back the first terminator.
Most likely Sarah didn’t give birth to John in the initial timeline. John exists because the Terminators invented to timemachine. Which would make sense with the “you must survive or I’ll never Exist.” Message from John.
In order for John to exist the Terminators must exist as well.
I don’t think it’s a loop exactly but judgement day will always happen but it will always be delayed. Something like that.
@@traverserred Ya makes sense...Definitely a lot to digest . My thoughts are in a loop thinking about this shit I'll tell ya that much lol
The cops couldn't stop the terminator, even Reese couldn't stop it. But Sarah could...
I'm not trying to be perfect with the timeline, but figure that John Connor is born in 1984. John is 13 years old in 1997 when the machines take over and the war starts. John's father (Kyle) died before the war (he died in 1984). The war is fought from 1997 to 2029. John's father (Kyle) is born after the war starts. He grows up in the ruins and is perhaps 29 years old when John Connor wins the war in 2029. With the war basically won, Kyle is sent back to 1984. John Connor is about 45 in 2029, while his father (Kyle) is 29. Kyle goes back to 1984, age 29 and he becomes the father of John. Kyle is born after the war starts and died before it begins.
I've seen this movie lots, but your reaction was really interesting to watch. Looking forward to you watching other James Cameron filmes: T2, Titanic, etc.
This movie definitely aged well for me. I was 6 or 7 when I first saw it, but it's become creepier and scarier for me as an adult. It's scary to think about how only one terminator was able to easily take down a whole police HQ, and how much effort and sacrifice did it take to destroy just a single one. Imagine having an army of these against you. Anyway, the 2nd one is also a must watch, The Terminator is one of the few franchises where the 2nd movie is even better than the 1st one. The 3rd one is hated by a lot of people, but I think it's also kinda good, as it shows how the war between humans and machines started.
There simple explanation - Kyle was not a John father. Sarah just broken with boyfriend right before events - its likely he was real father. Thinking that Kyle is father was just her preference.
This solves loop paradox.
Also sad fact - Kyle probably would survive if Sarah not wake him and just leave on floor - terminator would just ignore him because he is not his target.
The begining of the movie where Arnold asks for the clothes , that was filmed in Hollywood at the Griffith Observatory 🔭. And the gun shop was filmed next to the movie studios . Most of this was filmed in L. A . And the rest was GG filmed out of town.
“They’re gonna bang” and bang they did lol
Great reaction & commentary. 👍
As for that timeline business, as Sarah said, a person could go crazy thinking about it. 🤣
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Yeah when John meets Kyle,John is in his early 30’s and Kyle is a teenager in Terminator Salvation
Yes, The Terminator may be the greatest B-movie - that is to say, the greatest low budget sci-fi ever made. But the sequel, T2 is the greatest action movie ever. Terminator 2 set the standard for every action film since.
I've watched Terminator and the reactions lots of times and only now realized that the number Sarah gave the Terminator had a 408 area code, which is San Jose, about 5-6 hours north of L.A. Probably unintentional, but it would have been a plot twist if the Terminator had called the number to get the address and gotten a San Jose Domino's instead.😆
"You can find people's addresses in the phone book?"
God, I feel old.
If you like I can put on my music major hat for a tick. There are some interesting technical reasons why the music soundtrack for this movie is so effectrive.
Your face when Arnold gets up after being shot in the club...
"DUDE?"
😂😂😂
LMAO!!! "You can find people's address in a phone book?" Yes, the first phone book/directory was printed in 1878 and was used through around 2010 when printing was discontinued due to online sources (The phone books were for landline/hard line phones only). If you wanted to have your name, address and phone number not listed, you would have to pay your home phone carrier extra. Although, I would have to say that by the very beginning of the 2000s phone books were already being phased out. During those times, up until cell phones became popular and affordable, if you wanted to know where someone lived and what their phone number was, you looked them up in the white pages of the phone book. If you wanted to know about specific business names, addresses, and phone numbers, you would look them up in the yellow pages.
When those bros at google decided to create a startup to replace the phone book makes you wonder why didn’t I think of that?? 🤔
26:35 "Have they met before?"
No.
Sarah's son John gave a photo to Kyle and told him all kinds of stories about his mother.
Kyle creeped out a little and got all fixated on the photo and stories and fell in love with an idea.
Then he traveled time so he could be a stalker.
And a protector.
Maybe for the right reasons, but his childhood crush that became his obsessions is just a bit creepy.
I forgive him because his own childhood was awful and his romantic prospects were basically non-existent.
Plus, that criminal psychologist at the police station was the first therapist Kyle ever had; he had no professionals to help him set aside his fixation on an ideal fantasy woman and pursue a real relationship with an actual woman.
All is forgiven, Kyle.
Now let's get busy creating the savior of all mankind.
I don't think it was mentioned in this movie, but the nuclear war took place in 1997, if I remember correctly.
So if Kyle was born right after the war (1998), and it took 40 years from this event, to the time machine (1984+40 =2024), then John Connor would be (2024-1985) 39, and Kyle Reese would be (2024-1998) 26. Which seems reasonable and doable.
Yes, the John/Kyle relationship in time is an example of a "bootstrap paradox".
nice to see you getting lots of views,you deserve them.
26:35 plot twist - Reese is the kid who put ice cream in her pocket 😂
@ 34:00, am I witnessing someone forget this movie has time-travel
"Come with me if you want to live" ain't never worked for me.
13:03 Back in the 80s, I used to think Schwarzenegger acted like that in every movie.