Paul: I think I might need to isolate for a bit Wife: have you got covid symptoms? Paul: nah but I'm probably gonna have snipers at the door soon if I keep going the way I'm going Hahaha gotta see the funny side of it all 😅 EDIT: did a new Mixhub & ev2 null test with the curves matched a bit closer (still not perfectly bang on) AND the compression matched with 5-6db compression (mixbus comp before eq) ... -58 lufs null on a full track haha. I can see via the meters that doctor is correct and the actual compression (excluding THD) is the exact same. The meters actually move identically with the compression matched... The main difference is in the THD!!!
@@JordonBeal nope, apparently you saw only 2 or 3 of his videos. He is regularly impressed by something. Yes, he has preferences, he doesn't like plugins that try to look like hardware (and has also good reasons for that, purely based on user friendliness) but he certainly doesn't call everything snake oil, in fact, he rarely does.
Yay! Steve's back! Edit: I vote that Bob should be in all future appearances of Steve and should always start with how he's been at whatever company for 35 years... Great job Paul! Keep it up! Edit 2: Barbara should also be at the other companies...
Cheers, I'll probably need it some day haha 🤜🤛 Tbh can see a few attempted takedowns in the future if I keep showing what they don't want others to see but tbh you've got to take the good with the bad. I have thousands of people who appreciate me and my work but also have a small group of guys that really dislike me and would really like to see me crumble like a pastry. They are mostly on forums where they hide behind user names and Internet anonymity but it's whether a few big names that actually pose a threat get involved. Especially on youtube it may come to a head at some point where somebody tries to take me down and I've got to stand firm and take a few blows but we'll see. I would like to be positive all the time but I'm a skeptic by nature. I always need to test boundaries and ask certain questions. The whole 'keep everyone happy' thing just isn't me. It's not in my bones 🤣
The waves SSL bus comp (version 12) is one I use all the time. I’m not paying for the “update” so I guess this is the only version I’ll ever have. Love the channel 👍
It's the only subscription I pay for now. Scrapped the slate one 2 weeks ago. Dunno why I was paying it for years when I genuinely hadn't used a plugin in like over a year 🙈
@@PaulThird haha i feel u man ! I wish i hadn’t spent those $$ on waves before but ehh whatever. Better late than never . Also the never ending discounted price 29.99$ throughout the year is like 🤦
@@PaulThird you can't account for the weird dialects spoken across the Atlantic. I have lived in Thailand for 20 odd years and everyone in my immediate circle regardless of nationality knows what a brew is. I have a steady supply of Yorkshire or Barry's Tea however I have recently discovered a new wonder tea, Diplomat, you can get it in Aldi and it's proper strong. (Some places have the posh tea tampon style, avoid). Brews with the minimum of steeping, get some in yer belly.
It crossed my kind 😂 I think that would get in the way of ssl's xsaturator though. Tbf the CLA echo plugin was a pretty good free plugin so id like to think it will be decent but I have an inkling some engineer or abbey road will be attached to it somehow..
I had to bring in the side harmonics.. Honestly there are guys going across the Internet saying I made up the term side harmonics 🤣 If you have different harmonics left and right then the difference will go into your side channel.. Side harmonics!!!! Hahaha Honestly there are guys saying there is no mid side in stereo... 🙈
@@PaulThird really? Where do you find these people? 😂. We are living in a time where you can EQ transient and tonal information separately. Mid/side is practically old school at this point. 😊
That was my exact same question earlier to you about the plugin alliance ssl...the EQ settings do not match up in plugin Doctor. I mean...it's not off by a bit...it's off by A LOT! I almost wanna send you a screenshot of what I'm talking about. But I know you were talking about the old ssl and the new ssl plugin curves matching.
Couldn't agree more! Fuck waves in the neck! The upgrade plan is a racket! Everyone else in the plug-in world is trying to improve or at the very least doing more than waves right now. Great video as awesome 🤘
The best thing to come out of their SSL EV2 Channel release was Warren Huart's tutorial on how to use SSL EQ and Dynamics. I implemented his training on my SSL Native Channel Strip 2 instead and WOWW!! I've begun moving over to Hardware bit by bit because I was becoming frustrated with some Plugins I own. I am concerned, in some cases, they are a money grab. I was always suspicious of the Waves release. Looks like I was right.
That's the best way is to learn from guys who are used to the SSL sound... Or 'perfectly tuned to the family sound' as the vice president likes to put it haha Warren's been using his desk for a very long time so he knows it inside out 🤓
Yeah I really dig Warren too. What sets him apart from all others, especially on RUclips, is the plethora of people he has actually worked with during his career, that actually sold albums, across multiple genres versus the one trick ponies from blokes no one has ever heard of nor made it into the industry at any point. What I also like about Warren is he started out in hardware solely but does some hybrid works as well. I much prefer gear, but use "some" plugins as well although I dream of having an actual console. Just waiting for the lottery winnings or the inheritance from a distant relative that I never knew I had. Cheers.
@@PurpleMusicProductions I had 2 consoles. It was like owning a super yacht with a hole in the bottom. I'll take a side car of pre amps, some eq's, and a Tegeler Creme over a console any day of the week.
This video made me see a lot of you tubers in a new light. All are so ready to jump on the shiny new toy. And if you watch their videos you’d think this emulation is amazing.
Tbh its a risk doing what I do. You have to be ready to take a bit of shit where it is a much easier option to do the safe review thing. Show the features, look at face value, do a few examples on a few sources with no comparison.. Job done.. Hardly any backlash. Viewers leave with an impartial option. I just choose not to do it where possible. There are times when I don't really have a direct competitor for the plugin I'm looking at but I still give my honest unbiased opinion. RUclips's hard as for many including myself it helps or fully pays the bills. Some get lured by the money as they get bigger, some smaller channels like the free plugins and being chummy with the developers and others just don't have the balls to rock the boat. I can't pin the blame solely on the youtubers as its how you pay the bills at the end of the day. I got crap for the accents and characters on this video by a few people now but I knew I needed to do it for better watch time as the subject was too dense to keep viewers attention for a longer view duration. I played the YT algorithm and it worked in my favour with a high watch time which in turn gets me more ad revenue which helps pay for the girls Christmas. You do what you need to do but I will admit I have shown that you can be brutally honest and transparent and still get good views, retention and devs wanting you to look at their plugin. Problem is they target many youtube channels early on so they get them on side before they really start to grow and they have another marketing pawn in the RUclips game. Same with beta testers. Makes many feel privileged and gives them a strong connection to the plugin which 9 times out of 10 turns into positive reviews upon release. Many many tactics are used for RUclips and social media. I just choose not to comply haha
You are now officially making me LOL 🤣 with your comedy skit.. a new calling perhaps, the boards beckon! 👏😁 I almost forgot the point you were making I was enjoying the performance so much! 😅 "Never forget the name!"... I don't think they will! 🤭
Very Amusing. I’ve used one SSL or another virtually every week for the last 40 years. Even owned one. SSL possess tbd hubris often acquired when a company runs a virtual monopoly in their given business sector. Before every cries, ‘ what about Neve?’ Well what about them? The ratio of Neve to SSL consoles is about 5:1 in SSL’s favor. Without going into detail I have witnessed tbd company’s hubris first hand. Some T the company really think they are the be all and end all of recording technology.
Well done, Paul, Steve, Dave, whoever! I've had the same issue with Waves. I'm expected to pay nearly 300 for their Wupgrade con! I've also had to delete all the old versions because of issues in Cubase. So the HUNDREDS of pounds I've spent, counts for nothing,. Thanks, Waves. P.S. I'll be Waving goodbye. I suggest you do the same. Nice one, Paul.
Same here. I use Rbass sometimes and for some reason haven't found a comparable plugin that does the same. But I will. Most plugins are blacked out in Cubase. Made the horrible mistake to use an old CLA comp on a track this week. Spent a morning opening the Cubase project that crashed 7 times on opening (crash report stating Waves as the culprit). I think every person goes through a phase at first thinking more and newer plugins will make your mixing better (cause they have different presets that might magically work on a particular track). Waves is awesome for that market when you collect 29euro plugins. And then the bill comes later. I was stunned that first time.
This is why they say that hardware is worth it. Doesn't become obsolete, retains value or increases in value. That's why the access analog stuff you recently reviewed is so powerful. Mix with what you have to get an idea of what settings you will like then rent a few pieces for a few hours and boom !
Good stuff Paul. Im done with waves after 20 years of supporting them...get this.. my daw was damaged by lightning, got a temp replacement and had no choice but to 'recover' my licenses (365 day wait til next). Just finished a new daw build, restored licenses in a minute or so with everyone...except waves who demanded a list eg reasons why i need another recovery, receipts for new computer and need to pay wup on my licenses (v11)...nearly 2 weeks later and still nothing sorted. WARNING, KEEP AWAY FROM WAVES COERCIVE AND ARCHAIC SOFTWARE AND APPALLING CUSTOMER SERVICE. I am migrating my most important bits to brainworx...krauts know what they are.doing...no more ssl after discovering the vxs console...now THAT is more like it!!!
Saved me $29 bucks today and I’ll buy something else to complement retro fi, and grab the original SSL E because I do hear great things about it. Luckily waves update plan doesn’t mess with windows users as hard. All my plugins from v9 on still work fine
Well done mate . Exactly as I suspected. I held fire on upgrading as i saw through the marketing Bs I stopped using Waves a while back as there are plenty of better developers out there now. Currently learning/using Fuse audio labs VCS-1 as my channel strip. Again well done 👍🏼
Great video mate, love the humour amongst the seriousness of this issue with Waves update plan and their sneaky marketing, by giving away free plugins (this year) which they then go and want you to pay for the update later... Caught me the first time round about 8 years ago, haven't updated since all still working fine... Keep up the great reviews!
Great stuff, Paul, and several excellent points made. I believe it was not meant to be a bad plugin IF there wasn't something out there already released by Waves previously, so yes, money-grabber and that's it. I use the SSL Native plugins -and I do have some PA and Waves plugins too (but I don't use their EQs and compressors, because having the SSL Native ones would make me look stupid if I used Waves/PA for that purpose, I believe). Thanks for the review!!!
When I listen to this it remind me of those important quotes in life “Hey rentboy, gev mein a cigaarrrrt.” And “that lass got glassed and no on leaves till we knaw what kunt didit.”
OK, generally I agree with you. The WUP is a rort. There is one good reason for not updating the existing E-channel plugin though and that's backwards compatibility when you open old sessions. Many engineers (me included) would rather a separate plugin in this situation than to change the behaviour of an existing one that is across hundreds or thousands of existing sessions. Even fixing the EQ cramping would have an effect on the sound of an old session opened up. Sure they could do it with an additional "use old broken mode" switch to maintain the same behaviour but in many cases that's just a headache. That said, I do agree with you entirely about the seeming lack of real innovation and the hefty "subscription by stealth" thing of the WUP. And I love the roleplaying exposé! I really wonder how Bob is going after walking out. Maybe he'll start his own boutique guitar pedal company...
That is a pretty good point tbf about compatibility, never thought about that. Really they could have just added another analog option in mixbus and that was your upgrade haha BTW Bob just came back as Barbara refused to leave 🤣
You’re hilarious Paul and very informative. I think you should consider a side gig in stand up comedy. Seriously! Thanks for answering all my questions about the ‘new and improved’ Waves SSL. Unbelievable and just as I suspected. WUP! WUP!
LMAO, when I saw this "new plugin" come out I couldn't wait for Sir Bobs review. I must say, this is a hell of a lot better than I expected. His review is better than the plugin itself. And just in time for Waves "Black Friday" rip off, I mean sale. I no longer use Waves plugins "except the 10 or 20 I already got suckered into" and out of those I only use 3 or 4. And I will not WUP them up. You can truly find free plugins that are actually better. So quit buying a name and be sure that what you are buying is what you need.
Barbara? Must be Windsor... what a carry on!! 😄 It wasn't that long ago that I was speculating that some plugin companies are recycling their plugins with new GUIs - thanks for proving my theory!
What I see here is "diminishing returns" to the max. You get a new plugin that does 90% of what another plugin did, but with way more CPU power due to the algorithm they're using. Even if they're using a new algorithm, who actually cares if it sounds virtually the same as another? It's not like the compressor/EQ has a radically different sound - that would be very acceptable. But as we move into the future with new modelling techniques that are "more accurate", I actually see people sticking with older options as the updated sound quality just won't be objectively better than older plugins that use MUCH less CPU power. On a similar subject, times are changing with plugins. We're at a very weird crossroads as emulation technology progresses but the sound we hear doesn't change nearly as much. As said before, diminishing returns has already kicked in. It already kicked in with DAWs long ago. I mean, tell me if you can hear the difference between a 16-bit file exported using a 32-bit floating point engine, vs a 32bit float file exported using a 64-bit float engine. You won't be able to. Same is happening with plugin emulation tech. It's already so damn good, so they literally have to up-sell you. And don't get me on the subject of "dithering"...
I think CLA Mixhub and ev2 is waves attempt at keeping up with the Jones's but the CPU hit I believe is because they aren't investing in the technology. Bx consoles are pretty low cpu and also internally oversample. Overloud low cpu, great sounding plugs Its all about the developers. If they got somebody like Ray from fuse audio labs they'd make better plugins. Guys like him, fabrice, fabien, the guys at tone empire, sonible, eventide etc etc thats where the key lies.
Exactly what I was thinking. I’ve worked in the software industry for a long time and I’ve never seen such practice of charging customers or clients for bugfixes. A new version update, sure charge them. But bugfixes? Heck serious and large software companies could incur a contractual penalty for that sort of crap, and meanwhile a small-a$$ software company (in terms of the general software world) like waves have the nerve to charge for bugfixes. It’s just mind boggling. A solution would have to be something like bugfix releases being separate from version releases. But I doubt Waves would do the right thing because it’s been years like this and they kept doing it anyways. It’s the only reason why I don’t even buy their plugins no matter how tempting the promos are.
@@PaulThird it is greedy indeed! And I’m glad I’ve watched YT reviews about their “update plan” before taking out my credit card. They call it “Update Plan” and lol it’s like the dumbest terminology I’ve every heard in the software industry. No truly elite software company would say that term as it’s like admitting to putting out crap in the first place. “Oh we have the best product of this type, but you know we have buggy code, so here’s update plan that you can purchase”. Just plainly admitting to low quality code 😂
Your vibe when talking about waves at the end of the video is the vibe of a wife that was beaten and thought that is life, but suddenly found out not all husbands beat their wives and is now especially angry. Not just because she was beaten, but because she fell for a wife-beater. However the rest of the video was really funny. I'm glad we have you, Paul. You sure are a character.. but it's good to have you!
Thank you for one of the most informative and entertaining reviews I've ever had the pleasure of watching; you really nailed it. I'm dating myself here but, for those in the know, this video review is reminiscent of the scene in The Wizard of OZ where Dorothy and Co. made it to the Emerald City to see the Great and Powerful OZ and Toto pulls back the curtain. Paul, you're the Best !!
Another great gear test video. I love this humor in it. This makes it even more unique. When I heard about the new EV2 plugin I immeadiately thought, "what will paul third say about this new plugin?" I should better check before buy. And I did. I am thankful that you prevented me from wasting 39 €.
Thanks for this enlightening analysis. I bought it (and even as a v1 user, paid $39 not $29.99 for some reason) because I thought it sounded better, and after Warren Huart gave some very useful tips for using the plugin in his review of it. I updated the WUP for $200, too, while I was at it, as I have nearly all of their plugins. Oddly use few of them though, really, and probably will rarely use this one either. So, yeah. 😵💫
Good plugins. They had one of the best devs in Reymund until he left. Low cpu for the most part. Internal oversampling in the bx stuff. TMT was a good idea as well as the integration of the mono maker, stereo width and stuff. They work hard and their plugin subscription is second to none in my opinion and I still pay into it haha I don't use as much as I used to and I'm still waiting for my £250 voucher thing but they put the customer first in my opinion. New plugins released all the time, free updates, ability to buy plugins one by one via vouchers and they've now got the pop up shop where they get plugs at lower discounts. I still remember when they first started the subscription plan. Pretty sure I was one of the early adopters cause I always had my eye on their stuff. Been a LONG time subscriber anyway Me and dirk don't always agree but he's still pretty respectful towards me and I respect that as other CEO's won't even talk to me haha
11 funny minutes in, the crux of the argument: it’s just a less good Mixhub. Thank you for clearing this up! You’re the bad boy of audio, appreciate ya Woop woop
It’s actually a free upgrade if you already bought the old ssl bundle. They don’t make it obvious but I did it the other night. I also have the ik multimedia, bx, and the native ssl versions. I’ve never used any of them including this one.
@@PaulThird yes! I’d saw the “hope your doing marvelously well” guy mention it on another vid, and it says so on the waves site, but it’s still not obvious, you just gotta download the plug-in, (careful not to click on that upgrade plan nightmare), and your waves central thingy will know that ya already purchased the original. I opened the plug and switched the brown thing on so I know it there.
See I got confused as it says "Get SSL EV2 free if you own the SSL 4000, Studio Classics, Pro Show or SD7 Pro Show bundles covered by the Waves Update Plan." Its the covered by the waves update plan bit that got me
Not if you bought the old bundle, only if you´d also paid the WUP. Which I have. So if anyone wants my SSL 400 COllection with 1 year´s WUP, I´m up for selling.
I updated my waves plugs last year. Just so everyone knows - the resizable GUI thing is just a magnified version of the original resolution! Looks terrible and blurry! A couple of the Renaissance plugs have a new GUI, but essentially you're just paying again for the same plugs in my opinion. UAD's business model is also similar. Some of my UAD plugs are now 'legacy' versions and I need to buy them again to have the update. Waves and UAD won't ever have my business again Slate and PSP combined beats the crap out of the competition.
This perfectly encapsulates how and why I've been pirating the waves catalog for ages. Should I ever win a grammy I WILL do the right thing and give them what they charge other grammy winners 😝
As a current Waves SSL E-Channel owner I was intrigued by the release of the EV2. However after reading the EV2 CPU complaints and still meddling with the Waves update garbage, I said screw it and went with the Brainworx version during the Black Friday sale.
The funniest thing is that there is nothing wrong with the old one, the harmonics and stereo width is hardly worth it considering the CPU load and the fact that you're supposed to put it on almost every channel, cause it's a channel strip..
I agree. Plenty of low cpu, low aliasing saturation plugs you could use after the original e channel. Tbh Ive never seen such a Harmonically rich SSL plugin. Dunno what they modelled this time haha
@@PaulThirdProbably the console preamp with a little bit of extra imagination. The original also has 2nd and 3rd harmonics at -90 -100 db, basically inaudible, probably to simulate the signal just passing through the console circuitry. And frequencies not matching well, that's just how the hardware is and there is valid reason for that. Waves, slate and brainworx all try to mimic this behavior for some reason, on a digital plugin. I know you should use your ears, but still this is beyond stupid. Why can't 3k be 3k? Why does it have to be 4k.. may god have mercy on their wayward souls
Thanks Paul. If only Waves would just make their plugins sound good... Instead they're running a 'Microsoft' business model: too many employees (probably) who have to justify their job by producing all these updates and bells and whistles, which are then marketed... JUST MAKE YOUR PLUGINS SOUND GOOD! Thanks for the honest comments, even if presented in a humourous way. Waves, don't take action against this guy, just make your plugins sound good. And to everyone who buys Waves plugins, just stop. You're encouraging this plugin manufacturer to continue. What they need is to almost go out of business, have a total rethink, and then just make plugins which sound good.
You really made me laugh hard with this one Paul Third. Brilliant video, very funny and honest. Steve character was so hilarious and that Bob character asking the right questions and points pissing Steve off, oh man LOL priceless :) It was genius making a good point with funny characters . As fun as this video was the message came trough, completely agree about Waves cynical business model. I have the Cla MixHub and i like it because of the buckets, not planning on buying anything else Waves though. So many devs are making so damn good digital plugins these days that we certainly dont need to be Wuped This video led me to the decision to become a member of your channel :) Wup Wup Wup :)
Best feature is focus mode for the eq. The cpu load is bonkers on V2 with no advantage over original SSL E. They should just add eq focus mode to the original ssl e as a free upgrade.
@@PaulThird hit the speaker tab above the hi eq bell tab then click on eq band frequency knob and it focuses the eq on whatever hz the freq knob is on. You can scroll the frequency while that frequency is isolated or focused. Mix hub has it and it’s brilliant! Best feature in the plug in and no one discusses it not even waves
@@jalapainyo mixhub is great. I bet if cla didn't sell his soul like the rest of these money grabbers he'd have left waves a decade ago. Acustica too...you can buy a DAW for less.
Have you ever been able to test the slate plugins? I used to use their SSL EQ a lot (so much that I wound up buying the 500 series version of it--which is very nice).
I used to use a lot of slate but stopped. I only stopped paying the sub 2 weeks ago as I realised I hadn't used their plugs in over a year. I can't really even tell you why tbh as they are pretty good but I found other alternatives. When I did a really early ssl comparison I found the slate ssl to be very close to acustica sand. Slates problem is that I feel the plugs miss a lot of features that the others have, especially the SSL eq
Lmao. This video was by far your best. Laughed so hard. Loved the bit about Barbara LOL. What a joke Waves is doing to their customers. They won’t be in business for long with this BS they are pulling.
Man I love it! Love your honesty and the rant because they deserve every bit of it. That´s why they don´t get any dollar from me. I can´t use Vocal Rider and the Greg Wells vocal thing etc any more. You´ve said it all in your rant. I could go into politics now and bring in some historical cliche behavior but that´s not the place for it...
I remember when waves was the gold standard. Waves messed up when they lowered their prices and started running all those sales and gimmicks. They should have stayed at the premium prices they used to be. Then they wouldn't have to nickle and dime the customer to keep the doors open. People don't respect low prices. People equate high prices as higher quality. It's human psychology. As a business owner I learned this. When I raised my prices I had better quality customers who appreciated my services more. When I charged less, those customers where thee worst to deal with. The more you give, the more they want and they complained more. But it's too late for them now to reverse course.
That is true but I genuinely don't believe waves can justify the high RRP prices. 10 years ago yes but not in todays market. Not with what they offer compared to the competition
Actually , it cost relatively little to keep a shopping website running and fix some plugin bugs. They could still make and sell plugins cheap price that are great quality like other suppliers. But for some reason they choose to make big claims and produce lower quality plugins, and its not because of money. Therefore, maybe some higher ups are taking all the money for themselves instead of paying some good developers. Common Waves, i like your autoinstaller, but fix everything else LOL
I started using some waves plug ins last year. Now however I'm being bugged for this update plan which frankly isn't cool. 100% agree with you and I now look elsewhere if I feel the need for a plug in and theres some great sounding free ones and some great less know developers who make great products. Waves lost me over this update plan and it's business model. Great video Paul. Thanks for your honesty. Its refreshing.
Excellent, spot-on and very entertaining. I didn't run any tests but apart from the brown knob option - which BTW the brainworx E-channel has always had - my ears told me there's no real difference . . . the CLA is superior with the 1176 option, compressor mix control and extensive sidechain EQ, not to mention the buckets. As for Waves' 'whoops' . . . a sick business model from a company that should know better. Thanks Paul!
Apart from 8K the EV2 defaults to different frequencies than the original E. That surely must be worth $29? Your WUP WUP had me in stiches. It almost made all my years of WUP pain worth it!
@@PaulThird Paul, music technology can be so frustrating. Thank you for bringing some much needed humour into it and enlightening some us along the way too. Oh and I owe you a drink. I was rushing off to buy the EV2 plugin when I happened to see your video and abruptly put my wallet away. I proceeded to shoot out all 7 of my SSL plugins and told myself the madness had to stop. I've got Mix Hub and SAND, probably two of the best, so I really don't need an 8th SSL plugin even if it is only $29. All those $29 purchases soon add up to $1000s. I know I've counted.
I stopped using ssl emulations from third party companies when Ssl native plugins were updated and released. The ssl native channel strip and bus comp are the best. And.....they have 40 years of background only with the name.
Nice video! Thanks! On the other hand, I still don't understand why Waves won't put there a simple parametric EQ instead of those fancy life-like knobs? I understand this is a "nice" HW emulation, but HW knobs are taylored for tweaking by fingers (with both hands simultaneously), not by mouse. Turning only one knob at a time to set up an EQ in the 2022 plugin is a bit outdated. Am I crazy?
I am not a big fan of yours Paul but I gotta say I really like that Bob guy. Can you please have him on more often. Thanks Bob you saved me some money I almost fell for Waves trick.
I got the update free. Off my mate Bermondsey Dave. He sends best and asked me to let you know he’s got a tasty selection of white goods at the moment. Can do you a nice Miele fridge for a Carpet ( £300 ). He’ll deliver to the car park the Little Chef a mile before the Birmingham exit any time between 4.00 and 6.30pm on week days.
Paul: I think I might need to isolate for a bit
Wife: have you got covid symptoms?
Paul: nah but I'm probably gonna have snipers at the door soon if I keep going the way I'm going
Hahaha gotta see the funny side of it all 😅
EDIT: did a new Mixhub & ev2 null test with the curves matched a bit closer (still not perfectly bang on) AND the compression matched with 5-6db compression (mixbus comp before eq) ... -58 lufs null on a full track haha. I can see via the meters that doctor is correct and the actual compression (excluding THD) is the exact same. The meters actually move identically with the compression matched...
The main difference is in the THD!!!
Be careful Mossad would knock at your door! hahahaa
Why can't all the companies be UK based and actually have all the accents I do 😂
This is funny as f*ck and brilliant. Nice one
Like I said after your last waves video... Keep your head down, run in a zigzag pattern ;)
And keep it coming!
Haha. I got myself into a fanboy pile on in the comments section on one of their launch videos 😂. Had to do it, but I really should stop doing it.
Dan Worrall, White Sea, Paul Third. These are who we need to keep grounded as musicians. Thank you for keeping it real!
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The debunker generals . . .and a touch of the contrarian in these generals checks the sea of bovine excreta that overwhelms us at times.
Remove Mr. “everything is snake oil and I’ve never heard a plugin or piece of hardware I like” White Sea, and I’d agree.
@@JordonBeal nope, apparently you saw only 2 or 3 of his videos. He is regularly impressed by something. Yes, he has preferences, he doesn't like plugins that try to look like hardware (and has also good reasons for that, purely based on user friendliness) but he certainly doesn't call everything snake oil, in fact, he rarely does.
“Never forget the name” 🤣🤣🤣
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The personality and the humor is getting better with every single video I swear. Thank you for brightening up our days, Paul.
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I agree. His content delivery has gotten much better. Love the channel Paul
Yay! Steve's back!
Edit: I vote that Bob should be in all future appearances of Steve and should always start with how he's been at whatever company for 35 years... Great job Paul! Keep it up!
Edit 2: Barbara should also be at the other companies...
I love how I do a waves video off the cuff and somehow manage to incorporate a Bob, Barbara, Dave love triangle 🤣🤣
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I agree. I just envision Bob having a mustache for some reason 😜 Great video!
It's pretty close tbf 🤣
I’ve searched the cosmos to find a Brainworx SSL user who is considering switching back to Waves and I have yet to find one. 💀😂
So true haha I did see enquiring comments on fb but I think most stayed put 🤭
As if Brainworx don't sell pretty much the same console over and over again for $399 or whatever it is at launch. :D
@@gadjox $29.99 today
The new EV2 by waves....does sound better than the bx 9000J......
But......the CLA Mix Hub, does sound good
Well said. Keep exposing the bull. It's all overpriced nonsense and it's so nice to hear it called out and made fun of. Thanks
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I bloody love your content, Paul. I wouldn't even consider purchasing Waves plugins any more.
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You’re clearly a man for the people. Protect this guy!
Cheers, I'll probably need it some day haha 🤜🤛
Tbh can see a few attempted takedowns in the future if I keep showing what they don't want others to see but tbh you've got to take the good with the bad. I have thousands of people who appreciate me and my work but also have a small group of guys that really dislike me and would really like to see me crumble like a pastry. They are mostly on forums where they hide behind user names and Internet anonymity but it's whether a few big names that actually pose a threat get involved.
Especially on youtube it may come to a head at some point where somebody tries to take me down and I've got to stand firm and take a few blows but we'll see. I would like to be positive all the time but I'm a skeptic by nature. I always need to test boundaries and ask certain questions. The whole 'keep everyone happy' thing just isn't me. It's not in my bones 🤣
Comedy gold! Thanks Paul, great channel.
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The waves SSL bus comp (version 12) is one I use all the time.
I’m not paying for the “update” so I guess this is the only version I’ll ever have.
Love the channel 👍
I've still got some v9 plugs.. If it's not right by the 9th version then WTF! 🤣
Paul, you spot on mate. Love that you call waves out on their stupid "update" plan . I am soo weaning myself off their plugins
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The simple reason Waves got their Update plan made me absolutely stop using them . I’ve become a dedicated PA user now
PA's not far behind.
@@hodshonf PA updates are free.
@@electricwhiterabbit Yeap that’s a win for me 😂
It's the only subscription I pay for now. Scrapped the slate one 2 weeks ago. Dunno why I was paying it for years when I genuinely hadn't used a plugin in like over a year 🙈
@@PaulThird haha i feel u man ! I wish i hadn’t spent those $$ on waves before but ehh whatever. Better late than never . Also the never ending discounted price 29.99$ throughout the year is like 🤦
Brilliant, as someone who is often that northern bloke at those meetings I feel seen.
Every business needs a northern bloke like yourself!! I wonder if many non UK guys will get the brew comment 😂
@@PaulThird you can't account for the weird dialects spoken across the Atlantic. I have lived in Thailand for 20 odd years and everyone in my immediate circle regardless of nationality knows what a brew is. I have a steady supply of Yorkshire or Barry's Tea however I have recently discovered a new wonder tea, Diplomat, you can get it in Aldi and it's proper strong. (Some places have the posh tea tampon style, avoid). Brews with the minimum of steeping, get some in yer belly.
Barbara & Dave need to become part of the lore. No way back now.
The love triangle nobody asked for 😂
Absolutely hilarious buddy!! Fantastic video Paul!
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Wouldn’t it be hilarious if the free plugin they are planning to give away is just the harmonics from this new SSL packaged as a saturation knob…?
Lol
Just the side harmonics though….. 😉
It crossed my kind 😂 I think that would get in the way of ssl's xsaturator though.
Tbf the CLA echo plugin was a pretty good free plugin so id like to think it will be decent but I have an inkling some engineer or abbey road will be attached to it somehow..
I had to bring in the side harmonics.. Honestly there are guys going across the Internet saying I made up the term side harmonics 🤣
If you have different harmonics left and right then the difference will go into your side channel.. Side harmonics!!!! Hahaha
Honestly there are guys saying there is no mid side in stereo... 🙈
@@PaulThird really? Where do you find these people? 😂. We are living in a time where you can EQ transient and tonal information separately. Mid/side is practically old school at this point. 😊
That was my exact same question earlier to you about the plugin alliance ssl...the EQ settings do not match up in plugin Doctor. I mean...it's not off by a bit...it's off by A LOT! I almost wanna send you a screenshot of what I'm talking about. But I know you were talking about the old ssl and the new ssl plugin curves matching.
Couldn't agree more! Fuck waves in the neck! The upgrade plan is a racket! Everyone else in the plug-in world is trying to improve or at the very least doing more than waves right now. Great video as awesome 🤘
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Lololol @ fuck waves in the neck lololol
The best thing to come out of their SSL EV2 Channel release was Warren Huart's tutorial on how to use SSL EQ and Dynamics. I implemented his training on my SSL Native Channel Strip 2 instead and WOWW!! I've begun moving over to Hardware bit by bit because I was becoming frustrated with some Plugins I own. I am concerned, in some cases, they are a money grab. I was always suspicious of the Waves release. Looks like I was right.
That's the best way is to learn from guys who are used to the SSL sound... Or 'perfectly tuned to the family sound' as the vice president likes to put it haha
Warren's been using his desk for a very long time so he knows it inside out 🤓
Yeah I really dig Warren too. What sets him apart from all others, especially on RUclips, is the plethora of people he has actually worked with during his career, that actually sold albums, across multiple genres versus the one trick ponies from blokes no one has ever heard of nor made it into the industry at any point. What I also like about Warren is he started out in hardware solely but does some hybrid works as well. I much prefer gear, but use "some" plugins as well although I dream of having an actual console. Just waiting for the lottery winnings or the inheritance from a distant relative that I never knew I had.
Cheers.
@@PurpleMusicProductions I had 2 consoles. It was like owning a super yacht with a hole in the bottom. I'll take a side car of pre amps, some eq's, and a Tegeler Creme over a console any day of the week.
This video made me see a lot of you tubers in a new light. All are so ready to jump on the shiny new toy. And if you watch their videos you’d think this emulation is amazing.
Tbh its a risk doing what I do. You have to be ready to take a bit of shit where it is a much easier option to do the safe review thing. Show the features, look at face value, do a few examples on a few sources with no comparison.. Job done.. Hardly any backlash. Viewers leave with an impartial option.
I just choose not to do it where possible. There are times when I don't really have a direct competitor for the plugin I'm looking at but I still give my honest unbiased opinion.
RUclips's hard as for many including myself it helps or fully pays the bills.
Some get lured by the money as they get bigger, some smaller channels like the free plugins and being chummy with the developers and others just don't have the balls to rock the boat.
I can't pin the blame solely on the youtubers as its how you pay the bills at the end of the day. I got crap for the accents and characters on this video by a few people now but I knew I needed to do it for better watch time as the subject was too dense to keep viewers attention for a longer view duration.
I played the YT algorithm and it worked in my favour with a high watch time which in turn gets me more ad revenue which helps pay for the girls Christmas.
You do what you need to do but I will admit I have shown that you can be brutally honest and transparent and still get good views, retention and devs wanting you to look at their plugin.
Problem is they target many youtube channels early on so they get them on side before they really start to grow and they have another marketing pawn in the RUclips game.
Same with beta testers. Makes many feel privileged and gives them a strong connection to the plugin which 9 times out of 10 turns into positive reviews upon release.
Many many tactics are used for RUclips and social media. I just choose not to comply haha
@@PaulThird For sure. Loved the video. No right or wrong way to be in this world, just the one that’s right for you.
Thanks for all the love Paul! And yes, Bob has no use for this plugin.
Many ssl you got just now Bob haha 🤓
You are now officially making me LOL 🤣 with your comedy skit.. a new calling perhaps, the boards beckon! 👏😁 I almost forgot the point you were making I was enjoying the performance so much! 😅 "Never forget the name!"... I don't think they will! 🤭
It's genuinely something I need to do every so often so I don't get bored with the whole YT stuff 😂
Very Amusing. I’ve used one SSL or another virtually every week for the last 40 years. Even owned one. SSL possess tbd hubris often acquired when a company runs a virtual monopoly in their given business sector. Before every cries, ‘ what about Neve?’ Well what about them? The ratio of Neve to SSL consoles is about 5:1 in SSL’s favor. Without going into detail I have witnessed tbd company’s hubris first hand. Some T the company really think they are the be all and end all of recording technology.
I have heard a lot about elitism and that's just from guys reaching out to me
Pure brilliance. 🤣🙌🏾 Thank you Paul. One of my favourite plug-in reviewers ever = you man. Peace.
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Well done, Paul, Steve, Dave, whoever! I've had the same issue with Waves. I'm expected to pay nearly 300 for their Wupgrade con! I've also had to delete all the old versions because of issues in Cubase. So the HUNDREDS of pounds I've spent, counts for nothing,. Thanks, Waves.
P.S. I'll be Waving goodbye. I suggest you do the same.
Nice one, Paul.
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Same here. I use Rbass sometimes and for some reason haven't found a comparable plugin that does the same. But I will. Most plugins are blacked out in Cubase. Made the horrible mistake to use an old CLA comp on a track this week. Spent a morning opening the Cubase project that crashed 7 times on opening (crash report stating Waves as the culprit). I think every person goes through a phase at first thinking more and newer plugins will make your mixing better (cause they have different presets that might magically work on a particular track). Waves is awesome for that market when you collect 29euro plugins. And then the bill comes later. I was stunned that first time.
This is why they say that hardware is worth it. Doesn't become obsolete, retains value or increases in value. That's why the access analog stuff you recently reviewed is so powerful. Mix with what you have to get an idea of what settings you will like then rent a few pieces for a few hours and boom !
Good stuff Paul. Im done with waves after 20 years of supporting them...get this.. my daw was damaged by lightning, got a temp replacement and had no choice but to 'recover' my licenses (365 day wait til next). Just finished a new daw build, restored licenses in a minute or so with everyone...except waves who demanded a list eg reasons why i need another recovery, receipts for new computer and need to pay wup on my licenses (v11)...nearly 2 weeks later and still nothing sorted. WARNING, KEEP AWAY FROM WAVES COERCIVE AND ARCHAIC SOFTWARE AND APPALLING CUSTOMER SERVICE.
I am migrating my most important bits to brainworx...krauts know what they are.doing...no more ssl after discovering the vxs console...now THAT is more like it!!!
All money money money with waves. No emphasis on customer retention whatsoever
@@PaulThird So sad...they never use to be like this...and tbh...even ilok or a parallel port dongle like they use to have would be preferable 😕
Literally crying from laughter. Amazing work.
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Saved me $29 bucks today and I’ll buy something else to complement retro fi, and grab the original SSL E because I do hear great things about it. Luckily waves update plan doesn’t mess with windows users as hard. All my plugins from v9 on still work fine
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Big facts. 🙏🙏🙏
Well done mate .
Exactly as I suspected. I held fire on upgrading as i saw through the marketing Bs
I stopped using Waves a while back as there are plenty of better developers out there now.
Currently learning/using Fuse audio labs VCS-1 as my channel strip.
Again well done 👍🏼
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Great video mate, love the humour amongst the seriousness of this issue with Waves update plan and their sneaky marketing, by giving away free plugins (this year) which they then go and want you to pay for the update later... Caught me the first time round about 8 years ago, haven't updated since all still working fine... Keep up the great reviews!
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Great stuff, Paul, and several excellent points made. I believe it was not meant to be a bad plugin IF there wasn't something out there already released by Waves previously, so yes, money-grabber and that's it. I use the SSL Native plugins -and I do have some PA and Waves plugins too (but I don't use their EQs and compressors, because having the SSL Native ones would make me look stupid if I used Waves/PA for that purpose, I believe). Thanks for the review!!!
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When I listen to this it remind me of those important quotes in life “Hey rentboy, gev mein a cigaarrrrt.” And “that lass got glassed and no on leaves till we knaw what kunt didit.”
Random 😂
OK, generally I agree with you. The WUP is a rort. There is one good reason for not updating the existing E-channel plugin though and that's backwards compatibility when you open old sessions. Many engineers (me included) would rather a separate plugin in this situation than to change the behaviour of an existing one that is across hundreds or thousands of existing sessions. Even fixing the EQ cramping would have an effect on the sound of an old session opened up. Sure they could do it with an additional "use old broken mode" switch to maintain the same behaviour but in many cases that's just a headache.
That said, I do agree with you entirely about the seeming lack of real innovation and the hefty "subscription by stealth" thing of the WUP. And I love the roleplaying exposé! I really wonder how Bob is going after walking out. Maybe he'll start his own boutique guitar pedal company...
That is a pretty good point tbf about compatibility, never thought about that.
Really they could have just added another analog option in mixbus and that was your upgrade haha
BTW Bob just came back as Barbara refused to leave 🤣
You’re hilarious Paul and very informative. I think you should consider a side gig in stand up comedy. Seriously!
Thanks for answering all my questions about the ‘new and improved’ Waves SSL. Unbelievable and just as I suspected.
WUP! WUP!
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Hahaha! What a great video! Made my day! Thank you Paul! 😂
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LMAO, when I saw this "new plugin" come out I couldn't wait for Sir Bobs review. I must say, this is a hell of a lot better than I expected. His review is better than the plugin itself. And just in time for Waves "Black Friday" rip off, I mean sale.
I no longer use Waves plugins "except the 10 or 20 I already got suckered into" and out of those I only use 3 or 4. And I will not WUP them up.
You can truly find free plugins that are actually better. So quit buying a name and be sure that what you are buying is what you need.
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Barbara? Must be Windsor... what a carry on!! 😄 It wasn't that long ago that I was speculating that some plugin companies are recycling their plugins with new GUIs - thanks for proving my theory!
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What I see here is "diminishing returns" to the max. You get a new plugin that does 90% of what another plugin did, but with way more CPU power due to the algorithm they're using. Even if they're using a new algorithm, who actually cares if it sounds virtually the same as another? It's not like the compressor/EQ has a radically different sound - that would be very acceptable. But as we move into the future with new modelling techniques that are "more accurate", I actually see people sticking with older options as the updated sound quality just won't be objectively better than older plugins that use MUCH less CPU power.
On a similar subject, times are changing with plugins. We're at a very weird crossroads as emulation technology progresses but the sound we hear doesn't change nearly as much. As said before, diminishing returns has already kicked in. It already kicked in with DAWs long ago. I mean, tell me if you can hear the difference between a 16-bit file exported using a 32-bit floating point engine, vs a 32bit float file exported using a 64-bit float engine. You won't be able to. Same is happening with plugin emulation tech. It's already so damn good, so they literally have to up-sell you. And don't get me on the subject of "dithering"...
I think CLA Mixhub and ev2 is waves attempt at keeping up with the Jones's but the CPU hit I believe is because they aren't investing in the technology. Bx consoles are pretty low cpu and also internally oversample.
Overloud low cpu, great sounding plugs
Its all about the developers. If they got somebody like Ray from fuse audio labs they'd make better plugins. Guys like him, fabrice, fabien, the guys at tone empire, sonible, eventide etc etc thats where the key lies.
Exactly what I was thinking. I’ve worked in the software industry for a long time and I’ve never seen such practice of charging customers or clients for bugfixes. A new version update, sure charge them. But bugfixes? Heck serious and large software companies could incur a contractual penalty for that sort of crap, and meanwhile a small-a$$ software company (in terms of the general software world) like waves have the nerve to charge for bugfixes. It’s just mind boggling. A solution would have to be something like bugfix releases being separate from version releases. But I doubt Waves would do the right thing because it’s been years like this and they kept doing it anyways. It’s the only reason why I don’t even buy their plugins no matter how tempting the promos are.
The update plan will never be anything more than greed to me. I mean imagine you were one of those who actually paid full retail for their plugins 👀👀
@@PaulThird it is greedy indeed! And I’m glad I’ve watched YT reviews about their “update plan” before taking out my credit card. They call it “Update Plan” and lol it’s like the dumbest terminology I’ve every heard in the software industry.
No truly elite software company would say that term as it’s like admitting to putting out crap in the first place. “Oh we have the best product of this type, but you know we have buggy code, so here’s update plan that you can purchase”. Just plainly admitting to low quality code 😂
Thx for u're work Paul ,keep up with these videos 💯🔥🔥🔥
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I don't know what I just watched. This video is both great and disturbing! LOL!!! Good job Pauly
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Thank you for this test!
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Bro. This goes hard. Appreciate the accent and the humor! I might be way off but this reminds me of Trainspotting.
Don't think there was any cockneys or Yorkshire accents in trainspotting haha not that I can remember anyway 😅
This is pure gold, so funny I nearly cried laughing...great video + very informative.
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I need full-on series of videos of steve cuz that man is fucking hilarious 😂
you should have been an actor mate lol
I gonna have to see how I can incorporate him more haha
Was waiting on you to do this!
I think many were haha
Your vibe when talking about waves at the end of the video is the vibe of a wife that was beaten and thought that is life, but suddenly found out not all husbands beat their wives and is now especially angry. Not just because she was beaten, but because she fell for a wife-beater.
However the rest of the video was really funny. I'm glad we have you, Paul. You sure are a character.. but it's good to have you!
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Thank you for one of the most informative and entertaining reviews I've ever had the pleasure of watching; you really nailed it. I'm dating myself here but, for those in the know, this video review is reminiscent of the scene in The Wizard of OZ where Dorothy and Co. made it to the Emerald City to see the Great and Powerful OZ and Toto pulls back the curtain. Paul, you're the Best !!
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Another great gear test video. I love this humor in it. This makes it even more unique.
When I heard about the new EV2 plugin I immeadiately thought, "what will paul third say about this new plugin?" I should better check before buy. And I did. I am thankful that you prevented me from wasting 39 €.
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me: Sneezes
Mate: Have you got Covid?
me: Nah, i'm allergic to bullshit.
Haha I think the amount of BS this year must have taken its toll on me. Sick for 9 days 🤣
Thanks for this enlightening analysis. I bought it (and even as a v1 user, paid $39 not $29.99 for some reason) because I thought it sounded better, and after Warren Huart gave some very useful tips for using the plugin in his review of it. I updated the WUP for $200, too, while I was at it, as I have nearly all of their plugins. Oddly use few of them though, really, and probably will rarely use this one either. So, yeah. 😵💫
I'd definitely get in touch and tell them so you can at least get a refund for the $10 🤓
Made my day! 🙂
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Id be curious to hear how you think about Plugin Aliance
Good plugins. They had one of the best devs in Reymund until he left. Low cpu for the most part. Internal oversampling in the bx stuff. TMT was a good idea as well as the integration of the mono maker, stereo width and stuff.
They work hard and their plugin subscription is second to none in my opinion and I still pay into it haha
I don't use as much as I used to and I'm still waiting for my £250 voucher thing but they put the customer first in my opinion. New plugins released all the time, free updates, ability to buy plugins one by one via vouchers and they've now got the pop up shop where they get plugs at lower discounts.
I still remember when they first started the subscription plan. Pretty sure I was one of the early adopters cause I always had my eye on their stuff. Been a LONG time subscriber anyway
Me and dirk don't always agree but he's still pretty respectful towards me and I respect that as other CEO's won't even talk to me haha
Paul. Bud. Do I get to buy you a beer at NAMM in June?
Suppose If I was ever to get the money to afford a flight to America haha
Always wanted to go to NAMM but it would cost me a fortune 😢
Wish I had seen this a week ago......before I bought it!!!!!!!! Well, at least it was on sale.
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11 funny minutes in, the crux of the argument: it’s just a less good Mixhub. Thank you for clearing this up! You’re the bad boy of audio, appreciate ya
Woop woop
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It’s actually a free upgrade if you already bought the old ssl bundle. They don’t make it obvious but I did it the other night. I also have the ik multimedia, bx, and the native ssl versions. I’ve never used any of them including this one.
So it's nothing to do with the update plan? If you have the old ssl bundle out of the update plan they'll still give you a free upgrade?
@@PaulThird yes! I’d saw the “hope your doing marvelously well” guy mention it on another vid, and it says so on the waves site, but it’s still not obvious, you just gotta download the plug-in, (careful not to click on that upgrade plan nightmare), and your waves central thingy will know that ya already purchased the original. I opened the plug and switched the brown thing on so I know it there.
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"Get SSL EV2 free if you own the SSL 4000, Studio Classics, Pro Show or SD7 Pro Show bundles covered by the Waves Update Plan."
Its the covered by the waves update plan bit that got me
Not if you bought the old bundle, only if you´d also paid the WUP. Which I have. So if anyone wants my SSL 400 COllection with 1 year´s WUP, I´m up for selling.
Why own all of those if you never use them????
Nice videos love it
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I updated my waves plugs last year. Just so everyone knows - the resizable GUI thing is just a magnified version of the original resolution! Looks terrible and blurry! A couple of the Renaissance plugs have a new GUI, but essentially you're just paying again for the same plugs in my opinion. UAD's business model is also similar. Some of my UAD plugs are now 'legacy' versions and I need to buy them again to have the update. Waves and UAD won't ever have my business again Slate and PSP combined beats the crap out of the competition.
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This perfectly encapsulates how and why I've been pirating the waves catalog for ages. Should I ever win a grammy I WILL do the right thing and give them what they charge other grammy winners 😝
Agree with you TOTALLY!! Nuff respect.
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Thoughts on Overloud?
Proper plugins. Very very good plugins.
ruclips.net/video/nScJpCmqP68/видео.html
Fared very well in my audio shootouts 🤓 just a bit on the pricey side though 😅
"I know it's hard to get your nut around..."
Hilarious 😂
Steve's voice is in my head at least 3 hours a day 🤣
Grinds My Gears Lol I Haven't Said Or Heard That In A While.. Keep Up The Good Work
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As a current Waves SSL E-Channel owner I was intrigued by the release of the EV2. However after reading the EV2 CPU complaints and still meddling with the Waves update garbage, I said screw it and went with the Brainworx version during the Black Friday sale.
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same here.
I don’t bother with Waves anymore. I used them for four years and got sick of their “ crap” upgrade plan!!!!
Same 🙌
Waves should hire you as a translator!
And interpretating for the plugin geeks... Paul Third 😂
@@PaulThird Exactly!
great vid prob the best vid on vsts this year , so funny good ur calling WAVES out are u peter sellers son
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Stellar!
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Here we goooooo!
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*grabs popcorn*
It is one of those ones tbf 😂
Brilliant!
Thank you!
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I vote for creating a 'wupwup' hashtag 😂 that 'wupwup' part lmao 😂 love your videos Paul!
The wup wup thing came to me like 4 months ago haha I was just waiting for the right moment 🤣
The funniest thing is that there is nothing wrong with the old one, the harmonics and stereo width is hardly worth it considering the CPU load and the fact that you're supposed to put it on almost every channel, cause it's a channel strip..
I agree. Plenty of low cpu, low aliasing saturation plugs you could use after the original e channel. Tbh Ive never seen such a Harmonically rich SSL plugin. Dunno what they modelled this time haha
@@PaulThirdProbably the console preamp with a little bit of extra imagination. The original also has 2nd and 3rd harmonics at -90 -100 db, basically inaudible, probably to simulate the signal just passing through the console circuitry.
And frequencies not matching well, that's just how the hardware is and there is valid reason for that. Waves, slate and brainworx all try to mimic this behavior for some reason, on a digital plugin. I know you should use your ears, but still this is beyond stupid. Why can't 3k be 3k? Why does it have to be 4k.. may god have mercy on their wayward souls
Thanks Paul. If only Waves would just make their plugins sound good... Instead they're running a 'Microsoft' business model: too many employees (probably) who have to justify their job by producing all these updates and bells and whistles, which are then marketed... JUST MAKE YOUR PLUGINS SOUND GOOD! Thanks for the honest comments, even if presented in a humourous way. Waves, don't take action against this guy, just make your plugins sound good. And to everyone who buys Waves plugins, just stop. You're encouraging this plugin manufacturer to continue. What they need is to almost go out of business, have a total rethink, and then just make plugins which sound good.
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SoSoSo Delirium Outstanding... make me thinking of Benny Hill, just kidding but YOU ARE a genius PAUL... thank YOU for that... ;-)
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You really made me laugh hard with this one Paul Third. Brilliant video, very funny and honest.
Steve character was so hilarious and that Bob character asking the right questions and points pissing Steve off, oh man LOL priceless :)
It was genius making a good point with funny characters .
As fun as this video was the message came trough, completely agree about Waves cynical business model.
I have the Cla MixHub and i like it because of the buckets, not planning on buying anything else Waves though.
So many devs are making so damn good digital plugins these days that we certainly dont need to be Wuped
This video led me to the decision to become a member of your channel :)
Wup Wup Wup :)
Woop woop!!! Appreciate it Jonny 🤜🤛
Your essex wideboy accent is pretty good. Excellent vintage tone, does it have virtual lundahl transformers? Class A drug habit? (Sniff and jab).
Probably the wife watching too much towie back in the day. Seeped in somehow 🤣
Best feature is focus mode for the eq. The cpu load is bonkers on V2 with no advantage over original SSL E. They should just add eq focus mode to the original ssl e as a free upgrade.
They should have just updated the mixhub haha.. And then fixed the EQ cramping in the original
Whats the focus mode BTW? Did I miss that?
@@PaulThird hit the speaker tab above the hi eq bell tab then click on eq band frequency knob and it focuses the eq on whatever hz the freq knob is on. You can scroll the frequency while that frequency is isolated or focused. Mix hub has it and it’s brilliant! Best feature in the plug in and no one discusses it not even waves
@@PaulThirdWe update nothing! But pay us anyway we gotta get you to pay us to fix our mistake.
@@jalapainyo mixhub is great. I bet if cla didn't sell his soul like the rest of these money grabbers he'd have left waves a decade ago. Acustica too...you can buy a DAW for less.
Have you ever been able to test the slate plugins? I used to use their SSL EQ a lot (so much that I wound up buying the 500 series version of it--which is very nice).
I used to use a lot of slate but stopped. I only stopped paying the sub 2 weeks ago as I realised I hadn't used their plugs in over a year. I can't really even tell you why tbh as they are pretty good but I found other alternatives. When I did a really early ssl comparison I found the slate ssl to be very close to acustica sand. Slates problem is that I feel the plugs miss a lot of features that the others have, especially the SSL eq
Can you compare the EV2 or CLA Mixhub to Sand, and Brainworx? Or do one of those blind audition tests? That would be dank, thanks!
I did a very old ssl test back in the early days of the channel. Not today's standard but still alright I suppose haha
Lmao. This video was by far your best. Laughed so hard. Loved the bit about Barbara LOL. What a joke Waves is doing to their customers. They won’t be in business for long with this BS they are pulling.
I said it at the start of my channel and its still happening. I got shit for it in the comments.. And look what happened 😂
Thanks man, you just saved me 30 bucks. Much appreciated and I just hit that Subscribe.
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They'd do well to listen.
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Man I love it! Love your honesty and the rant because they deserve every bit of it. That´s why they don´t get any dollar from me. I can´t use Vocal Rider and the Greg Wells vocal thing etc any more. You´ve said it all in your rant. I could go into politics now and bring in some historical cliche behavior but that´s not the place for it...
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You're the best Paul!!
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I remember when waves was the gold standard. Waves messed up when they lowered their prices and started running all those sales and gimmicks. They should have stayed at the premium prices they used to be. Then they wouldn't have to nickle and dime the customer to keep the doors open. People don't respect low prices. People equate high prices as higher quality. It's human psychology. As a business owner I learned this. When I raised my prices I had better quality customers who appreciated my services more. When I charged less, those customers where thee worst to deal with. The more you give, the more they want and they complained more. But it's too late for them now to reverse course.
That is true but I genuinely don't believe waves can justify the high RRP prices. 10 years ago yes but not in todays market. Not with what they offer compared to the competition
@@PaulThird *Laughs in bettermaker*
Actually , it cost relatively little to keep a shopping website running and fix some plugin bugs. They could still make and sell plugins cheap price that are great quality like other suppliers. But for some reason they choose to make big claims and produce lower quality plugins, and its not because of money. Therefore, maybe some higher ups are taking all the money for themselves instead of paying some good developers. Common Waves, i like your autoinstaller, but fix everything else LOL
I started using some waves plug ins last year. Now however I'm being bugged for this update plan which frankly isn't cool. 100% agree with you and I now look elsewhere if I feel the need for a plug in and theres some great sounding free ones and some great less know developers who make great products. Waves lost me over this update plan and it's business model. Great video Paul. Thanks for your honesty. Its refreshing.
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This is pure gold!! 😂
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Excellent, spot-on and very entertaining. I didn't run any tests but apart from the brown knob option - which BTW the brainworx E-channel has always had - my ears told me there's no real difference . . . the CLA is superior with the 1176 option, compressor mix control and extensive sidechain EQ, not to mention the buckets. As for Waves' 'whoops' . . . a sick business model from a company that should know better. Thanks Paul!
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Apart from 8K the EV2 defaults to different frequencies than the original E. That surely must be worth $29? Your WUP WUP had me in stiches. It almost made all my years of WUP pain worth it!
I'm still glad my brain came up with the wup wup haha came to me months and months ago and just needed the right opportunity 🤣
@@PaulThird Paul, music technology can be so frustrating. Thank you for bringing some much needed humour into it and enlightening some us along the way too. Oh and I owe you a drink. I was rushing off to buy the EV2 plugin when I happened to see your video and abruptly put my wallet away. I proceeded to shoot out all 7 of my SSL plugins and told myself the madness had to stop. I've got Mix Hub and SAND, probably two of the best, so I really don't need an 8th SSL plugin even if it is only $29. All those $29 purchases soon add up to $1000s. I know I've counted.
You definitely don't need any more ssl! haha
That plug-in doctor is cool, does anyone know any plug ins for visual analyzers for a NOOB LIKE ME
Honestly doctor is quite easy. You just need to play about with it 🤓
I stopped using ssl emulations from third party companies when Ssl native plugins were updated and released. The ssl native channel strip and bus comp are the best. And.....they have 40 years of background only with the name.
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Nice video! Thanks! On the other hand, I still don't understand why Waves won't put there a simple parametric EQ instead of those fancy life-like knobs? I understand this is a "nice" HW emulation, but HW knobs are taylored for tweaking by fingers (with both hands simultaneously), not by mouse. Turning only one knob at a time to set up an EQ in the 2022 plugin is a bit outdated. Am I crazy?
Tbh It's purely because fancy hardware like gui's sell
@@PaulThird I just don't get it and I am confused... Did you get it, Barbra? I I I don't...
Nobody does 🤣
I am not a big fan of yours Paul but I gotta say I really like that Bob guy. Can you please have him on more often. Thanks Bob you saved me some money I almost fell for Waves trick.
I don't even know how to take that 🤣
Job well done, sir. Keep it up.
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😂 This for some reason reminded me of Norm Macdonald’s puppet routine on the phone to Dennis Miller. Gold.
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I got the update free. Off my mate Bermondsey Dave. He sends best and asked me to let you know he’s got a tasty selection of white goods at the moment. Can do you a nice Miele fridge for a Carpet ( £300 ). He’ll deliver to the car park the Little Chef a mile before the Birmingham exit any time between 4.00 and 6.30pm on week days.
Tell him £500 and no more and we've got a deal guvnor.. Waahheeyyyyy