Edit: Thanks to LuneNoir for pointing out that the eye of the creature we saw WAS in fact of a WOLF and NOT a deer! Here's the original video of it! depositphotos.com/174513752/stock-video-wolf-head-with-blue-eye.html First of all I would like to apologize for the length of this video. I did not expect it to be this long. I tried to explain with as much facts and details on how I came to my conclusions. The first 17 minutes were spent exploring most of the things found in the MV. After that is my theory and interpretation of the MVs story. So for those interested in skipping to that part go to the 17:37 mark of the video. Secondly, I would like to thank all of you who have shown much interest in my videos. I did not expect them to get this much attention. With that said, please remember that these are just my personal views about the story of the Loonaverse. Please don’t take them as facts even if you think it makes sense. In fact I encourage to come up with your own view of the Loonaverse and share it! Lastly, OT12 is finally here! T^T I can’t wait for the Eden unit to debut and the whole group after that! Let’s keep supporting them as they continue to keep us interested and entertained with their music and stories! #StanTalentStanLoona #2K1YearOfLoona
i think the difference for the wolves is that before she eats her forbidden fruit the wolf is grey with blue eyes (but you cant see that thanks to the coloring in the video even though its very different from the black and yellow wolf we see as she awakens) but represents the change in herself and why the wolf changes colors
Eduardo César oh my god!!! Is the scene in olvia's mv!! So scary, specially when the wolf is showing its teeth, olivia really fits the role of a lone wolf
I saw a Twitter post theorizing along these lines and I just thought I’d share. - All of the members resides in Eden peacefully, and Olivia was in love with Yves. Once Yves creates her new Eden, she began convincing the other members to join her one by one, but through doing so, she eventually fell in love with Vivi. Olivia somehow learned of this (maybe one of the oec members acted as a messenger) and she grew angry. This made her want to destroy Yves’ new Eden, and thus her love for Vivi. Yves nearly gets Olivia to come with her, but she sees her true self (because she ate her fruit) and lets go of her. Olivia gets even more furious with her, and decides the only way she can ever be happy again is to kill Vivi. She asks JinSoul to do it, seeing as she’s stuck elsewhere. JinSoul has mercy on Vivi (because of their prior connection) and puts her soul in an Android and hides her far away. Meanwhile, Olivia eats her own fruit, and gains knowledge, and finally accepts her true self. She manages to bring herself into Yves’s eden, with the intent of destruction. But on the rooftop, she meets Heejin, who convinced her that “life is rosy” and that destroying the new Eden will only bring about more misery. So Olivia adapts to her new life, and doesn’t destroy the new Eden. I think that heejin may be some sort of time lord, and promises Olivia that she can turn back time to reverse the events that happened, so she can make a different choice. But I don’t think time can be changed in the loonaverse (möbius strip theory) and that Heejin is just starting the loop again
The thing you said about OEC member being a messenger got me thinking of that scene in the MV where Jinsoul takes Olivia's earphone out and whispers something. hmmmmmm
I still think Eden is just a part o the Loonaverse that Heejin created. So now, Heejin is there to either stop Olivia or try and build a new world from scratch where they can all be together, since she didn't just destroy the Eden (as Vivi's tape, part of 1/3 world, was also burned)
So in a sum this is just a love triangle story (square if we include JiChuu) where Yves is the popular one in Eden, having both Chuu and Olivia all over her but she fell for the Chinese goddess instead. Chuu almost died because of heart attack when she became aware but fortunately was saved by mama Haseul, Olivia tho being the sly wolf she is want to slayed the deer because of her jealousy so she told uri Jinsolie unnie to went to Hongkong and killed her but fortunately for the Chinese deer, my love blue beta wasn't a heartless fish so she decided to put her soul in an android and hide her on the Loona 1/3 dungeon.. The most complicated but interesting love story ever be...
...I just few moments ago was so sure of theory in my head, but now THIS what makes sense the most so far I've scrolled through. JinSoul owns power to switch place/time & she's the first OEC who noticed her odd eyes. What if after denying Olivia's order & hid ViVi instead, JinSoul rushed finishing her mission forming OEC (helping Choerry & KimLip noticing their odd eyes), then she came back to Olivia to say she must stop rampaging over ViVi, instead should begin corporate with the entire Loonaverse & be "one". In Egoist, JinSoul whispered to seemingly Olivia's ear, singing this-theory-related lyrics. JinSoul also blatantly showed Olivia that she's on ViVi's side now (by appearing with the Chinese "Fallen Angel"). Olivia then consumed her forbidden blood plum & embraced her true self, yet everything's been burned, & HeeJin comes to help her rebuilding Loonaverse again. Then they began ViViD storyline & so on.
This was the best MV from BBC because of the dual nature in the MV. Although it looks like Olivia is accepting herself, she actually violently killed the old part of her instead. In the scene where she meets the other side of her, she does not look happy or relieved like you think someone would be. Instead she looks emotionless. The way she hugs herself and lies with the other side of her is instead, very sad and kind of apologetic, like she is sorry of what is to come. This is because Olivia is going to kill this weaker part of her instead by burning her with the lighter. Such an awesome character has made it to the Loonaverse!
Here's why I think it's important Olivia Hye's colour being black and being the wolf in sheep's clothing: We need to start by understanding the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, particularly the part of eating forbidden fruit. What does it do to Eve? It gives her the knowledge of good and evil, and when she tempts Adam to eat it too, they both become aware of being naked, so they develop shame and create clothing to hide their private parts. Why are they called "private parts"? Why is being naked so scary? It's because we're the only mammal who stand upright and so the front of us, including the parts of us that create more of us, are exposed, hence we have to wear clothing to protect ourselves. We're not like other animals whose backs guard their vulnerable fronts. Why is becoming self aware of your vulnerability important, and what does the forbidden fruit have to do with it? When you know your own vulnerabilities, you know exactly how you can be hurt, and if you are tempted, you can easily hurt other people having the knowledge at hand of good and evil. You know what's good for you AND bad for you, and thus it lets you know what might very well be good and bad for others. EDEN was a paradise where Adam and Eve were unconscious and non-thinking kind of like animals. I know animals think too, but their mode of thinking is more of the visual and reactionary type, whereas us humans have developed language and the concept of the future, and knowing the future lets us know that we all die one day, thus furthering the knowledge that our vulnerability is what causes us to tell the difference between good and evil. Furthermore, being in a state of blissful ignorance, as is the case with Adam and Eve in Eden, is ALSO like being a child. We start off unaware of ourselves and express ourselves freely until we learn in our childhoods what kinds of behaviours are acceptable and unacceptable in society, thus making us more self conscious and straying further and further away from Eden ie blissful ignorance. And that's painful because to know where we lack we can go of two ways: becoming resentful, of the world around us, of our flaws, and how we can't bring the gap between them--or we can strive for the highest good. We can know ourselves. We can love ourselves. Flaws included. So for Olivia Hye to develop self awareness and learn how to love herself, despite having a wolf's predatory intent, increases her chances of joining the new Eden that Yves created. The new Eden is another harmonious place like the original one, except you can only enter it after developing self love and self knowledge. Which again, comes with a price because you have to accept your own capacity for malevolence, which is why I think Olivia burned up all those objects. She knows they mean something to the members and to us fans, but the burning of it isn't an insult to our devotion to the group, or the group's devotion to each other. Far from it. It's an invitation to a new world; the modern world. It's an invitation to grow up and free ourselves of nostalgia. Clueless is a really old film that satirized the young and naive young girl trope, casettes have long become obsolete. The bed, associated with sleep and unconsciousness. All these objects being burnt symbolize leaving the past, nostalgia, and unconsciousness behind. And finally Olivia's colour being black. Why is this important? An interpretation of the Garden of Eden story goes like this: the reason why it's a fruit of all things is because it's fruits and snakes that have forced humans to evolve to the point of detecting colour. Our ancestors saw in black and white until they started searching for fruit, which requires the detection of colour to tell the berries from the bush. AND since snakes have been long time predators of human beings, developing eyesight and a detection of colour was even more important so you can tell the snakes apart from the greenery. And so that's why I think it's important Olivia's colour is black and that she's a wolf. Sure she's not a snake like the typical Lucifer story, but the sentiment is the same: she's a predator. That may seem evil and horrible at first, but then you think about all the other people and things that prey on you. If you have self knowledge and self love, you first of all have the self respect to know that you need to protect yourself, and thus learning to protect and value yourself helps you GROW as a human being. We need danger to challenge us in order to develop our character, otherwise we're just blissfully ignorant children in the Garden of Eden.
Vivian Franco thanks :D I can't take all the credit though. Most of what I said is based from Dr. Jordan Peterson's lecture on the Garden of Eden. I'm not even Christian anymore but I do love how he dissects the psychological meanings behind Bible stories
My brain straight broke when the pics of the new DNA image and the twisted pink/blue braid from EILY went up side-by-side. Their attention to detail (and your ability to catch them) just constantly astounds me. This community is amazing.
Some people were saying Olivia killed Vivi and THAT'S the reason Yves let her fall, and it was an interesting thought but the timelines don't really match... Others say because Yves chose Vivi and not Olivia (making her fall) is the reason she killed Vivi, as revenge. Idk idk idk The only thing that's sure is that Yves is a heartbreaker lmao
I have a theory that ViVi was actually the red member of OEC! In her other MV (not EILY), she wears the red OEC uniform for a scene, then Jinsoul appears. So maybe when she was human, she was actually in place of KimLip. This makes sense since cassete tapes are usually associated with Kim Lip, but maybe in the timeline, they actually represent ViVi first, which explains why we see a cassette tape burning in Olivia's MV.
Isaac Steltzer she also has an OEC and her storyline of love and live was Vivi not fitting in and being ignored (kinda like how Olivia was ignored in love4ever)
I figured Olivia is satan (a fallen angel), which would make Heejin God (she started/created LOONA, which supports this). Olivia and Heejin are opposites on the mobius strip, but also the closest. Them meeting at the end shows how close/similar they are, yet different. Great vid !! I can't wait to see more of the Loonaverse story
Nayoung's w e a v e since OEC are on the fold of the mobius strip, where loona 1/3 and the eden unit (kind of) meet. i think that's how they can travel between 1/3 and eden. i have another theory that OEC are human while 1/3 are angels and eden are demons but that's another story lmao
Maddie this also could be supported by the fact that when Heejin appears there's a blue light and when the video focus again on Olivia it's red. Those are the colours that are usually associated to heaven and hell and as we saw in the video these colours also take part in the loonaverse thing. Also if we combine blue and red we obtain purple which is Choerry's colour
Probably it means nothing, but of all animals in her subunit, the only one that's pretty difficult to catch is Go Won's blue emperor butterfly. The wolf can easily catch and kill a penguin or a Swan.
So, I have an idea. If Yves really let Olivia go because she could see one's "true" self, would it be because she killed VIVI? Or, was it because Olivia was trying to foil her plans by stopping the very first person who joined the "new" Eden with her; who was Vivi? If Olivia did kill Vivi, wouldn't that explain why she was later seen as an android? Wouldn't that explain why she seen Yves as a boy, instead of who she was in new? If that's the case, Yves let her go because she knew that Olivia was going to deceive her from the very beginning. Remember, Go-won left Eden last. Do you think Olivia feels lonely, so instead of relying on the others to help, she relies on herself? She finds her own fruit and then realizes that she doesn't need anybody's love but her own, and that she can only rely on herself. Also, when Yves was holding onto Olivia, you could see that Olivia's expression was that of someone who had been hurt very gravely, and it seemed to soften as Yves was slowly letting go. The white feathers symbolized Olivia's purity. The red feathers soon symbolized showed every sin, considering why there were a lot of red feathers, and very few white ones. The red lighting on Olivia's face; only started with a little. But notice as the MV goes on, it starts to cover her whole face. It was like an infection, but it started to spread quickly. It spread entirely as soon as she ate the blood plum.
One thing I didn't see anyone mention yet is that at one point in Chuu's video, she tries on a bomber jacket very similar to Olivia's, intercut with when she is practicing Yves dance in the mirror. Chuu began to understand that there was something going on through getting close to Yves, before biting her fruit. Maybe during that time before biting her fruit, she also got an inkling about Olivia's existence and tried that on, too? Tried on the idea of going against Yves, as represented by the jacket? She was very bitter for a little while, when Yves was rejecting her. Ultimately, she rejects Olivia's way, but she may have considered joining Olivia for a moment. edit: Also, this a reach, but could Olivia be present as sunlight in Go Won's video? At the end, there are three symbols -- but there are four girls in the unit. What if Olivia is the ray of light (sunlight in the afternoon)? Also light creates shadow. Maybe the reason Chuu and Yves were so intent on Go Won at that moment was because she was encountering Olivia (who was creating, or maybe was, the shadow. Casting light on Go Won's real self.)
If Olivia is meant to be Satan then.... before he fell from heaven his name was Samael (if I havent butchered it) which means "messenger of light" or "morning star", so her being the morning sun would make sense.
its like watching a movie, xD I got a soft drink and some ships and I'm sitting here munching while pausing and reading and going back to read again and continuing with the vid XD. God I love our fandom~
another interesting point in the MV :) in the ending scene we see Olivia and Heejin standing in front of each other, on Olivias side there is red light while on Heejins side there is blue light. Coincidence? i don't think so. but i don't really know to interpret that >~
I just had a thought thay maybe red is uses to symbolize evil ... and who's color is red? Kim Lip's. Also, Olivia and her are the only ones who have animals that are predators (owls and wolves both hunt other animals). Maybe she is somehow in Olivia's side, the evil side? (Are there even sides? This is confusing omg)
totolo as we see and know, jinsoul has to play some bigger role as she appeared in the mv. So i think it could be that kim lip too has a "bigger" role :)
Dahyunnie Jyp i don't think that there are sides, that would kind of well "destroy" the whole nice loonaverse concept in my eyes but who knows :) i think that maybe some members have a more "darker" background or something and they need to let go of that or i don't know. I'm not good on making theories :)
I generally agree with the points made on the video. Just a couple other things that are worth noticing: I think the MV is more of an inversion of "new" than its dark version. "new" makes a lot of visual references to falling / climbing down (the elevator numbers dropping, the falling apples, throwing stuffed animals off building, Yves looking down, going from rooftops and high buildings in high daylight to tunnels at night). The only reference to being picked up is the claw machine. This MV clearly represents ascension, the only representation of falling being dropped from the claw machine. "new" introduces the fall as the solution to maturing, "leaving Eden", but "Egoist" presents an even more mature answer: clawing your way up. Olivia learns the hard way. While there's a point to the perspective of Olivia burning down the last unit's images and icons (especially pertaining to Yves) has to do with a sense of renewal, I think it's mostly the completion of her own arc: she no longer chooses to hide behind an image akin to Yves', she no longer needs her tricks, she can be herself. That's why she also burns her own mattress, covered at first in white feathers akin to an angel, but also a white swan, only to then be revealed as a trick. This mirrors the lyrics' sentiment of giving up on trying to please another person, choosing instead to love oneself. Another Yves X Olivia inversion i notice is that "new" represents Yves with a very obstinate image. She's shown either under the dark night or bright daylight, right or wrong, which becomes a theme throughout "Heart Attack" and especially "One & Only". Olivia sees glimmers of strong light while in the building, but she seems to miss the sunlight by the time she climbs out of the building. As her time out of the building features less and less light, it looks like a sunset. An allusion to her "missing" Yves, but also maybe a representation of her being less about the black and white we have been literally seeing throughout this unit's MVs. She introduces some nuance, she poses more questions and challenges to a group that seemed to have already matured. Which brings me to the reason behind Yves' letting go of her hand. Before watching this video, I was clueless (haha) as to why that was. Since Loonaverse narratives aren't typically about conscious choice (even in your videos I don't think I ever saw you mention something happening because one of the girls deliberately thought it would be a good choice), the moment where it is suggested that Yves thought it would be better to let her go stood out to me. Loonaverse imo is about a representation of an arc, the things depicted aren't a literal narrative, but more of a figurative one, and understanding that is essential to begin grasping the hints they leave (part of the reason why Chuu's MV looks so meta to me lol). So!! I think, rather than choosing to drop Olivia, Yves' action represents the realization this unit isn't the end all of Loona. Olivia, and what she represents, seems to scare her, and she cowers away -- very unlike the resolute Yves we have seen so far. They don't have all the answers, and they need to realize that themselves to grow up beyond their current state. All of it was just the beginning. Maturing is an unending process, the mobius strip is an infinite loop. It's also shocking imagery that lets you know the Loonaverse has more changes awaiting into the future, too. I want to see more of how Vivi fits into this. So far, it seems to ve heavily implied that Vivi is the represenation for the beginning of the mobius movement in Loonaverse. She is the odd one out, the one that looks different. In Love & Live, she seems to have a hard time relating to the world for being different. Then the funniest thing happens: instead of running in the perfect elipse of the running track like the other 3 girls, she dashes on a tangent, twisting the elipse, and heading into the meadows, the unkown, where we frequently see OEC. It feels like she, like Choerry, is aware something is off, so her coming to play a part in the completion of this first arc is interesting. I hope this leads to some explanations within the verse as to Yeojin's disappearance, since only Choerry and Vivi seem to point to the issue of her not being there. Just a little easter egg that may be a coincidence but I found it amusing: this MV represents the shedding of an innocent façade to embrace your real self, even if a dark one. This is mainly pictured in the red room, where Olivia is seen dancing in a white shirt with black overalls. I just thought that was similar to the oufit Kimlip wears in the "Eclipse" choreography video. Just funny that they chose that outfit to represent the moment the dark self takes over the bright pretense lol
I came here after seeing "So What" MV again this week... I see differents scenes that make me think about Olivia debut. - The feathers (for Haseul AND the fallen angel). - Vivi being badass af. - Olivia Hye burning everything. - HeeJin runing to a giant sign, watching everything being burn... Also, on the teasers people were saying that HeeJin was standing on the light side of the moon and Olivia Hye on the dark side, just like the end of Egoist. HeeJin probably is the one who can calm down Olivia Hye, the only one who actually understand her power and try to control her so no disasters can happen. But after Hi High, they separete again, and HeeJin try hard to found Olivia Hye so no one else get hurt (as Vivi) but OliHye, in my opinion, save everyone. Burning everything, making almost an apocalypse, stops the mobius because something DIFFERENT happen... If you saw the movie "Riaru Onigokko" a point phrase is: "destiny can be fooled simply by doing something that one would never do normally". In my opinion, on the destiny was write that OliHye was going to hurt Vivi and everyone would forgive her on Hi High, but when the loop was going to start again, Olivia realized this and just decide to act by herself... because she doesn't want any other one to get hurt, but sacrificate herself for them. At the end, she's fine and the feathers that were burning, comebacks to being complete and safe like nothing happen.
My Theory is that Heejin is God and Loona 1/3 and Loona 3/3 are angels, ODD EYE CIRCLE are demons and. Loona 1/3 and Loona 3/3 lived a normal life in Heaven although Oliva developed a crush on Yves but Yves likes Vivi which results to anger and Oliva killed Vivi that's why she turned into a robot which explains a lot of blood in the mv. Heejin was really mad about it since she killed Vivi so she dropped Oliva out of Heaven and landed in Hell then we see the first scene where she was laying down in a bed of feathers which represents her broken wings then she woke up and started to wander off and explore Hell until she found Jinsoul who is also a Fallen Angel which explains the word behind her then she starts whispering to Oliva and this is probably what she said "Olivia we don't deserve God pushes us out of Heaven can't you fell any anger and grudge over God. It's time Oliva, it's time to fight back we will defend and fight for ourselves cause we are The Fallen Angels!" after the rap part we can see that Olivia changed her expression from innocent look to mad look. The reason why it seems like she's ascending is because she's going up to Heaven to confront God which she does in the bridge scene so she was looking for Heejin/God and finally Heejin found her and they looked at each other Heejin with an innocent face because she knows she can defeat Oliva while Oliva having a mad face. In the last scen before they confronted we see the bed of feathers being burnt probably it means she's ready to become a demon so she burned her wings.
Excellent work! I wonder if her dancing in the parking garage has any connection to Choerry dancing in the parking garage in SCL? BTW, the Chinese "Fallen Angel" behind JinSoul is likely also a tribute/reference to Wong Kar Wai's movies. BBC/Digipedi are probably big fans of his work, since one of his movies had that exact same title, and it was a dark and moody movie about an assassin's cleanup person falling in love with the assassin, and another one of his movies, "Chungking Express," has a character who ate a bunch of canned pineapples (Go Won's fruit) and had opened cans all around her just like JinSoul does here. It could be coincidental and doesn't seem to have any real relevance to the Loonaverse lore. You pointing out that it's written in Chinese and that Vivi's the only Chinese member, as well as that deer eye--those are much more relevant connections. I wonder if the whole part involving Vivi might be about how the sub-units were formed. Maybe Vivi was supposed to be a part of the 3rd sub-unit, but Olivia replaced her instead, thus symbolically "killing" her. The android version of her then ended up in 1/3.
Someone on twitter also caught a moment in which Yves' eyes appear in one of those flashes twitter.com/DinahstyFlexin/status/979824317528653824?s=19 And also, when Olivia is entering that ominous room, the choice of lighting was really interesting. When she enters the room in which she comes out of later with her two eyes open (possibly meaning full clarification), the only colors of the scene are red, blue and purple. The colors of Odd Eye Circle, the only ones besides Vivi that have odd eyes in this universe. I haven't seen so much care in crafting a visual image, a concept and using all possible means of symbolism in media and been this overwhelmed with it since I watched Breaking Bad. DigiPedi, BBC, the whole production crew have so much care for details and references, it's amazing. I've never seen something so carefully done in kpop so far, such an ambitious project, so I really need to give props to them. They took it to a whole new level. It's a shame that this is a small company making it, it would gain so much more attention if a mainstream company did something like this... But this is just the start. LOONA didn't even start yet.
my theory: Everyone in the Eden unit seems to have a thing for Yves, Chuu wanted Yves’ love, Gowon was hiding from it but eventually gave in and in this video “Love myself today” which means Olivia loved Yves. However, as we see in New, Yves loved Vivi and I think that made Olivia jealous which explains why she attacked her. It explains why Vivi is now an android and why Olivia was dropped by Yves. After this it’s probable that Olivia felt betrayed because what she did she did it out of love, that’s why she ends up hating Yves. Therefore burning all of anything that had to do with her, the cygnet, the eden uniform and the tapes. Bonus: the room Olivia came out from had the colors Red and Blue and she came out with two odd eyes ;)
I was thinking, ⅓ and the Eden unit are counter parts of each other. Heejin may be Olivia Hye’s counterpart. She would be the girl Olivia hugs and lies down in bed with in the MV. It would make sense bc she is “accepting herself” there. If we were to continue with the idea that the ⅓ and Eden members are counterparts to each other...here’s my take on the other members. Yves/Haseul, Chuu/Yeojin, Go Won/Hyunjin. In my head it makes sense, Haseul’s relationship with Yeojin is similar to Chuu and Yves in Heart Attack’s MV. I saw from somewhere that Go Won gave Hyunjin a bracelet in her MV. Anyway that’s all I have but thank you for take the time to create these videos and making sense of the Loonaverse! I’ve seen others but in my opinion yours are more sensible and I appreciate the hard work and time you’ve gone into tying your points with sources! Complete theory videos can’t be made overnight. Amazing job, can’t wait for more!
the fact is heejin was the one hugging her. but i think in the mv, she was just playing the part of olivia's true self -bcs when olivia entered the room, the one sitting on the bed was herself. so she was hugging heejin who played the part of olivia's true self.
March BBC has a purpose for everything they do esp in their MV’s you’d question why Heejin of all people. They probably brought her into the MV bc she’s the first girl. Also yes, you’re correct they used Heejin as Olivia’s true self but why? Maybe bc she’s her counter part if you take the Möbius strip from @Daebak Jjang’s other theory videos into consideration. It’s just a theory but it’s fun to think about it!
As I was watching I just had the tought that Olivia didn't needed Yves' metal claws to climb because she have her own strong wolf claws. (A fact that can be seen as a beautiful metaphor for self strength). Thanks once again for an amazing video. I respect your views and thoughs so much that I'm always excited to see more, I have nothing but respect for the person who first brought the (confirmed) Möbius theory to the Loonaverse. I activated the notifications before this video 'cause I knew it was gonna be huge! And it was! The Vivi part made me shook, I would never guess.
for the past 3 days I kept constantly checking the channel for an update on this lmao I absolutely LOVE your videos! thank you so much for taking the time to make them
i think if pink haired vivi is an android and blonde vivi is a human, then dark haired vivi must be a version of vivi that olivia made if the theory about olivia destroying yves’ Eden and making her own is true
I think the red feathers refer to Olivia killing (or hurting) Yves since her animal has feathers OR maybe it is related to Haseul (because she was wearing a dress covered in feathers) and if it's this then that might explain why Heejin is there, maybe she realized Olivia hurt her friends and is there to fight with Olivia. Also I think maybe Olivia is going to be a soloist since she doesn't belong to 1/3, OEC and maaaaaybe not to the last unit (for what happened with Yves) and that can be a reason of why she doesn't seem closer with anyone in the final unit.
The Vivi Theory makes so much sense, what I'm still interested is in JinSoul animal she's a blue beta fish, according to the characteristics of female beta fishes, they always keep a hierarchy order when they're in groups, why she's the only aquatic animal? Does it mean that she's the queen bee? The way she carries herself makes me think so but also does Yves. To much questions my mind is tired 😛 What I like about LOONA is that we as fans we can discuss and make an effort to understand them and make a true community other just admiring their beauty and music, I think that's what makes LOONA different 😘
I was listening to Vivid and it hit me. Vivid is all about bright colors, and Heejin is the first member. Olivia Hye is dark (black being her color) and she's the last member. Yves must really like 1/3 but they do not know themselves (or accept themselves for that matter, "self knowledge"). Yves must admire them but cannot be them, she eats the apple and gains self-knowledge, and makes her own Eden. Chuu and Gowon are "pressured" to join Eden, but Olivia Hye isn't. She gains a different type of self knowledge and realized shes a predator, and isn't like Heejin or anyone else in Eden. Eden counterparts 1/3 but Olivia Hye stands out the most. She's dangerous. Who else stands out the most? *Vivi*, she's a fucking android. There's a comment saying Jinsoul transferred Vivi from human form with blonde hair to android form in blonde hair (was Vivi supposed to be in OEC, maybe. Was Olivia Hye supposed to be in 1/3, maybe, but a reach). Anyways, that theory makes sense. I don't think Olivia Hye likes Vivi, and Jinsoul protected Vivi. Jinsoul is also a messenger (but I don't really know how that connects to everything but it makes sense. It goes in Olivia Hye killing people/loving other members, I dont go there). Olivia Hye is unlike everyone, especially Heejin, and Yves, she has the *truest* self knowledge. OEC is just odd. 1/3 counters Eden. Idk where Hyunjin, Haseul, Yeojin, or Kim Lip come into play. Maybe its everyone with detailed descriptions. Maybe I'll update after looking into more theories, this is just ideas from comments and my own thinking.
It might be that Vivi fell from Eden too to be with Yves in her Eden. In your previous theories you said Vivi passed through OEC part of Mobius. I think that Jinsoel might have come to this part of the Mobius circle to save Vivi from Olivia who was the one who turned her into a android to try to destroy Yves's Eden. That's why Vivis memories of her human self is different because Olivia wanted her to forget Yves to hurt her. What Jinsol did to vivi is what she did to Cheorry by moving her to a different part of Mobius. Which I also think she moved Cheorry because Yves needed her to give the apple to Gowon.
20:41 I just had a small realisation about the "wolf in sheep clothing". Olivia is dressed in all white - like a sheep - but on the inside she is the wolf. Also, I find it interesting that in the hashtag at 23:34 they wrote "Eve" in Korean
I have noticed this kinda thing that happens in various MVs, where we can see the girls noticing each others presence even though they cant really see each other??? Maybe it implies that all of the girls come from the Eden (except probably JinSoul and Kim Lip, who live in earth, the other side of the Mobius strip) and thus they are connected, so even when they no longer live in the same side of the strip/universe, they can still /feel/ each other. Connecting Yves', Chuu's and Olivia's MV theories, it comes to my mind that maybe, originally all of the girls of 1/3 and the girls from the Eden unit + Choerry lived in Eden or heaven, the upside part of the Mobius strip. Then, as the MV for Egoist suggest, Olivia Hye might have hurted ViVi (probably as an accident) and that's why she fell from heaven, she became mortal, so they had to turn her into an android in order for her to become immortal again and thus be accepted in heaven again (resulting in ViVi losing her original memories and forgeting that she was actually in love with Yves and not with a boy as EILY suggests). All of this was seen by Yves, who notices that there is something off about all of the Eden thing going on and she decides that she no longer wants to live that fait, she wants to fall down to earth which is the other side of the Mobius strip and make earth the new Eden. She does fall down by biting her fruit (the apple) and then she convinces Chuu to do the same with her fruit by ignoring her until she does bite the strawberries. This is kind of like forcing Chuu into maturing so she can finally leave the Eden, as we know that the Chuu that is living in heaven is very innocent and naive. Then they do the same thing with GoWon by convincing her that in earth shell be happier and able to accept and love herself (as we see in the scenes of One&Only MV where her shadow dances and wears a crown while herself in Eden doesnt). There's this scene that seems to prove my theory, when GoWon finally eats the pineapple, "wakes up" as a new GoWon in earth and now she can finally see Yves and Chuu!! What i think is that GoWon was running away and hiding from them because she actually couldn't see them but she could feel them talking to her from the other side of the strip!! Then we come to Olivia Hye, who can't be convinced as they did with GoWon because she feels too guilty and afraid of herself not being good enough as the rest of the girls after hurting ViVi. Maybe this is why Yves decided to force her into maturing (just like she did with Chuu), literally pushing her out of the Eden and only after that, Olivia finally comes to the realization that leaving heaven was the best for her. Also, if my interpretation is correct, this proves the counterparts theory too. Perhaps the reason why Yves wanted to leave in the first place was because she came to the realisation that the Eden unit girls were too different from each of their counterparts (the ones from 1/3) and that they would never be able to be happy living in heaven as they would have to stick to the expectations of them being good and perfect. They didn't want to love others, they wanted to love themselves and maybe that is why the concepts of 1/3 and the last unit are complete opposites. This is where OEC girls become important!! Following the mirrored girls logic, we assume that Kim Lip and JinSoul are their counterparts and that is why they are together living on earth. They dont actually affect the whole universe because they are together and that is the whole point. They are the guardians, its just that they dont know until the other girls fall from heaven and break the balance of the Loonaverse. This is when their awakening happens. Notice that they are the ones that have the most different concept compared to the rest of the girls, but their concepts happen to be extremely similar. Also, they are the only ones that seem to go through a sort of ritual in their MVs in order to "wake up" their powers. When they do, they travel to the bending part of the Mobius strip and lose track of each other, thats why we see them looking for each toher in Girl Front MV. They NEED to be together. What i think is that Kim Lip is able to travel in time while JinSoul can travel in space, but obviously just in one dimension, one side of the strip. This is why they need Choerry to help them , who happens to be the combination of the two. Red+Blue = Purple and Time-travel+Space-travel = Inter-dimensional travel. Coincidence? I don't think so. All of this leads me to think that OEC's "mission" is to reunite all of the girls because just as in Kim Lip and JinSoul's case, they need to be together with their counterparts in order to preserve the balance of the LOONAVERSE. If this is correct, it explains why in Girl Front we see them not only looking for each other, but also looking for the other girls, both the fallen ones and the ones that are still living in heaven. I haven't figured out yet if the point is to go back to the Eden, the upside part of the Mobius strip, or if they can stay on earth just as long as they are together. But, my final conclusion is that all of this journey leads us to the debut of Loona OT12, an event that will only happen when all of the girls are reunited and thus the moon that is Loona is finally full again!! Sorry if this is too long or confusing, i hope i made sense and that my point is understandable. Also sorry for any mistakes or confusing parts, English is not my first language but I did try my best to explain what I think of this whole universe TT
“You who were sent by god, destroy everything without hesitation” Imo it’s much simpler than what it is. Literally, Olivia was sent by god to punish and destroy the eden that Yves has made and built with Chuu and GoWon since they rejected the original eden. Olivia is the “fallen angel” since she has to purposely fall from the original eden to “trick” Yves into getting into her new version of eden so she can destroys it. But like you said, yves noticed this and lets go. Olivia is not trying to destroy both eden, she is from god’s side and is on a mission to destroy them 1) Yves denies god and create a new eden 2) Yves recruits Chuu and GoWon 3) God sent Olivia as fallen angel to trick Yves into recruiting her into the new eden 4) Yves noticed this and let go 5) Olivia eats the plum and shows her real self. Ends up showing her real intention of destroying Yve’s eden Well that’s one way of looking at it. :)
I have thought of that as well but the only thing that goes against that theory is that all 4 girls supposedly rejected eden. They did so by eating their fruits. I think it was also in a couple of their MVs description when they said that all 4 girls rejected eden. Gowon: "Yves, Chuu and Go Won will soon meet the last piece of the puzzle to create their own universe of girls who escaped the Garden of Eden." Chuu: "When four girls who denied the garden of Eden gathers, the party begins." Unless of course they're talking about a different girl... Then that's another theory for another time 😆
actually, I appreciate it more when theory videos are long. it really shows you how in-depth the analysis is. it also goes to tell how much evidence is presented, the connections made, and the patience and effort put into interpreting the clues given by bbc I really enjoy your videos and appreciate the hardwork you put into it!! 😊😄
I don't think Yves's cignet was burn but actually Vivi's deer, I think Yves choose between Vivi and Olivia and when Olivia saw it she decides to get rid off Vivi that's when Yves saw her "true intentions". I also think OEC is still searching for Yeojin, and maybe Olivia is searching for her too - I still want a Yeojin unit or solo :( - maybe Olivia isn't part of the last sub unit (?)
30-minute long theory videos and long ass essay-worthy comments are one of the many reasons why I stan loona and love this fandom so much. Thank you always posting these videos! Every time I watch them and go back to stream the MV, it's like I'm seeing it with new eyes. Let's continue theorizing and supporting our girls!
8:44 finally someone said this. i ALWAYS remember that one of jinsoul's teaser caption is "between blue and black." and when olivia's name in her teasers are darker in each pics. i know that she have a connection with jinsoul
However because Olivia has found herself, she has no option except to be part of Loonaverse or the loop though she's the antagonist, and that's Heejin job to make sure of that, is that why Heejin wasn't smiling when she met Olivia?
...tfw you absorb all this extremely massive amount of excitement you almost teared up. You're always and always will be our noble President of Loonaverse. We ALL are proud of & depend lots on you, Pres.DaebakJjang! THANKS I GUESS?!?!?! 😭💞🎉 NP: Do any of y'all come to theory connecting to THESE masterpiece findings in this video, to: 1) mysterious theme in HeeJin's ViViD: remember the confusing French sentence in beginning? who's the all-black lady who ordered HeeJin around to clean the whole house? might it be Olivia? were they turning the whole universe from b/w to insanely colorful to "prepare for the Loonaverse (all 12) to gather & show-off their each specific color"? because both HeeJin/Olivia in Egoist were solely in b/w, because by that timestamp Loonaverse isn't "created" yet, only after ViViD began. also, "ViViD"...can't unsee ViVi there in the literal title, can you? why is AGAIN ViVi dragged in the story? is she actually the real creator of Loonaverse, since she appeared from beginning to end of Mobius Strip? 2.) another not-so-but-still-mysterious bracelet cured by GoWon (in presence of Chuu), then sent through a 🐈 for HyunJin: why did an Eden try to contact an 1/3? how then HyunJin-HeeJin did end up met in I'll "Be There"? afterwards, how did they both gather with HaSeul in "Carol" since it seemed they 3 agreed to gather in one meeting-point? then YeoJin showed up (but without any correlation to the first 3), before Vivi out of nowhere joined in the 3, together forming 1/3, then OEC storyline sensibly worked afterwards (ViVi met JinSoul; JinSoul "trapped" Choerry with cherry cake; somehow then led Choerry & KimLip met & noticed their odd eyes). Personally about YeoJin's "Kiss Later", I still see resemblance of Choerry in that creepy Frog dude in purple & hanging like bat. I FAILED to grasp any other hints so far, please feel free to add up with anything 😂 ALSO SORRY FOR THIS ONE EFFING LONG COMMENT, have g'day Loonatics! 😂
(continuation of no.1) correlated to better & specific explanation of *lilykim's theory video of ViViD*. French sentence began the MV, is literally translated to that "ordering HeeJin to clean". HeeJin sang lyrics of "dejavu", because she basically just looped after coming back from Olivia. There were seen 7 rabbits (including HeeJin) resemblanced 1/3's HeeJin-HyunJin-Haseul-YeoJin & OEC's JinSoul-KimLip-Choerry (also shown in colored ball lamp). The other 5--Eden's (Yves, Chuu, GoWon, blonde ViVi, Olivia) were gone in HeeJin's now-memory since Olivia burned 'em all in Egoist (Yves' cygnet, Eden uniforms, ViVi's casette a.k.a her memory/existence, & mattress which I presumed presenting "claw game world" that Yves used to play around a.k.a Yves-made new Eden).
Belladini Lovely um i think i've read somewhere that BBC only started hiring plot directors around Eclipse/Sonatine era... and they think that before those BBC is only trying to introduce the members without any intention on making theories and stuff so their (Heejin, Hyunjin, Haseul, & Yeojin) mv and songs are just resembles of their character and personalities maybe... so then the plot director had to make a plot that correlates to those previous non-theory MVs. i think that's why LOONA 1/3's MVs are more fun, careless and just free, having their b-tracks as MVs as well not like starting from Kim Lip where there's no b-track mv because they need to be very carefully everytime they make any mv because it has to add something to the plot/theories
Lydia Sekar I've came across that thought as well. But in the released Cinema Theory exclusive video, bracelet which is mysteriously appeared at HyunJin's door in AroundYou, is connected to GoWon (whose actually the one who made it). Also HaSeul's paper plane in LetMeIn, it appeared in OEC's GirlFront. Hmmm 🤔🤔🤔 Loona drives their fans *loonatic...*
Belladini Lovely ok so i looked it up on Loona's videography on their wikipedia page, and found that Digipedi actually worked in all of Loona's music videos except ViViD, My Sunday, My Melody, Everyday I Need You and Rain 51db :0 so it's actually pretty possible that they already planned the storyline from the start!
2:08 reminds me of kimlip's eclipse, where light is visible from the top of the building 10:39 didnt yves pick up yeojin's frog too (in new mv)? does this mean that instead of olivia hye, yeojin was chosen to join yves in her own Eden? 12:13 the room reminds me of 1/3's classroom, also the corridor where vivi plugged in her battery You mentioned that the colour of DNA related to Vivi, but it also resembles Heejin's pink and Gowon's turquoise. 1/3 and Eden's meeting: - Heejin met Olivia, - Haseul met Chuu, - Gowon gave bracelet to Hyunjin, - Yves skated with Vivi but only Heejin-Olivia and Yves-Vivi met directly. Chuu didnt even notice Haseul waking her up in Heart Attack, and Gowon just left the bracelet in front of Hyunjin's door (for whatever reason it is). and what is Kim Lip's role in Loonaverse? So far she's the only OEC member who isnt featured in other subunit girls' mv, however her colour - red is shown obviously in Olivia's mv. There are also similarities between Eclipse and Egoist, where both girls are shown as counterparts of their respective animals. I read other theories that suggested Jinsoul hid Vivi from Olivia and turned her into android; then where could possibly Yeojin being hidden? Is it because Yves 'picked' Yeojin in new mv? Loonaverse's timeline is still an unsolved puzzle but if we tried to match 1/3 mvs altogether: - Heejin, Hyunjin, Haseul met in The Carol - Haseul met Chuu in Heart Attack - Heejin Hyunjin in My Sunday, Haseul-Yeojin in My Melody - Heejin Hyunjin Haseul Yeojin Vivi in EILY - Heejin Hyunjin Haseul Vivi in L&L My questions are: why didnt Heejin & Hyunjin found Yeojin in My Sunday/Melody, instead they met in EILY? This also reminds me of LCM, where Haseul was hanging out with Yeojin; only. Does it connected with My Melody? Idk. Why Yeojin has 2 different bedrooms in Kiss Later? Why both Yeojin and Gowon were being chased in their houses (in their respective mvs)? Why Heejin, Yeojin and Gowon's house look like some sort of mansion? Why Choerry helped Yves and Chuu to lure Gowon to reject Eden? We know that Choerry can travel through time/space, by the help of cherries given by Jinsoul. But do the cherries only help her travelling or is it her forbidden fruit as well? (just like the Eden girls) Is that why Yves gave Choerry appples? Lastly, does Hyunjin able to travel as well? since she appeared in Girl Front, and the fact that Gowon 'found' her, plus she is the only member with 3 different MV versions of her single-
Okay, so, I'm gonna write my theories while I watch cause by the time I finish the video I'll forget everything. I don't really think Olivia is in the machine. I think that she was on Eden, simple like that, and was dropped by Yves. By the things you said, I think Yves was manipulated at first, and later shows that she can manipulate too. Olivia Hye was the first to leave Eden. God (or whatever, really) manipulated Yves to throw Olivia out. Olivia is always looking up, trying to find Eden again (also, stairs. Lots of them). I really don't think Yves was trying to save Olivia, but she was hesitant. That's why she disobeys God on "new". She regret what happened on "Egoist". But doesn't look out for Olivia, rather, she go to the other members (Vivi and Choerry). Now, after a lot of thought, maybe Yves want to be God? But Olivia is angry and want nothing to do with that. Like God, Yves can see her true nature and doesn't like it. A wolf is a predator, and a swan, however, is not. About JinSoul: I think she's the "evil" one here. The black part of her (I mean the secondary color) whispers in Olivia's ear. Then, blue JinSoul gets her earbud pulled on SCL. And for me, Olivia AND JinSoul are fallen angels. For me, by the time she accepts herself, she's still looking for Eden (looking up), but not trying to get back where she was before. She wish things could be the same as they once were, but can't. I think she also accepts that. Also, red shows loss of innocence, and violence. Which is very fitting. Anyways, I love your videos! I think they are part of a good debate. Thank you!
Vicky A. I also share some thoughts of your theory, to me Kim Lip, JinSoul and Choerry are the "evil" ones, none in any of their mv's they seem to be looking at the sky or something higher it's always down, like Kim lying on the floor, JinSoul introducing herself to the water and Choerry looking at the mirror down, the place they go seems darker, something about their vibe, I guess we will see 😄
I have a theory LOONA 1/3 might be angels and Heejin, being the first member that was introduced, being an Archangel (a superior angel) LOONA OEC might be the girls from the purgotary that can see who will be falling from heaven (Jinsoul and Choerry) and is somehow connected to other worlds (Choerry) LOONA Eden might be the fallen angels. I wouldn't say that they are demons but they are more rebellious than demonic. So let's call them dark angels. Olivia Hye being the "Lucifer" of the group.
I saw a theory of Heejin's MV where they said that the 'dark' Heejin that appears in the beginning might be the 12th girl. That dark Heejin says in french '' I would like to clean. There are some tools there'' so they theorized that Heejin, being the first girl, is preparing the beginning of the mobius strip/loonaverse so that these are set in motion (there are also color references and she talks about the feeling of deja vu). I immediately thought abt your video. I think maybe, because Yves didn't accept her in her 'new' Eden, Olivia decided to create her own, but this world she's creating is none other that the right side of the mobius. Basically what I'm trying to say is that by wanting to create a new Eden for herself, Olivia links the dark side with the light side of mobius and creates 1/3's world.
Goosebumps goosebumps everywhere. Thank you so much for this detailed theory. You made sense of many scenes that I couldn't figure out, so thank you again. I like the idea of a villain member and I have a feeling that Jinsoul could also be part of it. LOONA and the Loonaverse are totally something else and I'm so glad to be a LOONA stan
Heejin's animal is a bunny and Olivia's is a wolf. Hmmmm🤔 What if Heejin somehow helps Olivia, but Olivia (being a wolf in sheep's clothing) will trick her. Idk😂
I watched your video intensely for the last half an hour. I agree with you completely on your opinions and suggestions! There was also some stuff I didn't notice, like the connection to ViVi! Thank you so much for these videos! Keep it up!
Holy shit, I'm a new orbit and so I have only seen butterfly, egoist and love4eva, and oh my God y'all are so committed I'm happy to be a part of this fandom and I will try me best to one day be as great as a fan as you all
The fallen Angel is obviously Olivia! The start of the MV represents this. She is the only one who had to climb back up. She is the one who did something to the original ViVi and when Yves picket her up she saw the truth and let her fall down. Yves ate the forbiddn fruit after ViVi died to get the wisdom and knowledge to find out why ViVi died but with the wisdom came the rebellion and she wanted to create a new eden AND with it a new ViVi (the andoid) In my mind the 12 girls represent the arc angels of the Christian methology were Lucifer was one of them in the beginning, Gods most loved one, the light bringer, the North Star. Olivia is Lucifer the fallen angel and HeeJin is Michael the first creation (remember Heejin was intented to be the leader of Loona, I still think she might be the leader of the whole group with Haseul being the leader of Loona 1/3, Kim Lip the leader of OEC and Yves the leader of "Eden, we will see) The end symbolising HeeJin bringing the fallen Angel back into the group. my guess the Eden promotion will be based in a time before the fall of Olivia explaining what she did and with Heejin bringin her back the start of Loona the full group can finally start.
omg im so glad someone else connected vivi's appearance in the up&line teaser to the egoist MV!!! i KNEW something was up there! ive been theorizing about this 24/7 since it came out and i have some possibly ideas: the red color we see throughout the video and the cans of "sun in the afternoon": when we see olivia turn and the screen turn red it seems as if the sun is engulfing her, and the lyrics to jinsouls rap mention that she ate [her], implying that olivia is the sun....which would be the complete opposite to the moon (loona as a whole) i know its been mentioned by others in the comments but i know for a fact the changes in vivi's hair color have to imply something greater i feel like egoist could slightly connect to haseul's single (just based on the egoist teaser i thought it would because of all the white feathers...) plus the idea of haseul "shooting" her other self in her single olivia's animal is a wolf and in go won's MV we see her under a red cloak/cape and that immediately made me think of little red riding hood... also i think olivia having two eyes that have some sort of light coming from them can mean maybe she gave her "power" to OEC since they only have 1 special eye? same thing with vivi two.... also based on the mobius strip theory maybe heejin is olivia's other self? in the photos blockberry released after the MV went live we see that its heejin holding olivia from behind! theres probably a lot more that im forgetting but ive had so many different ideas since the video came out its hard to keep up with myself! haha
I think she's getting revenge on Yves so she decided to kill ViVi. I still think it's a deer Olivia burns up, not Yves' cygnet. ORR... It could be that she had already killed ViVi, thinking that Yves wouldn't know. But using the info from this video, Yves could tell one's true self and therefore Yves let go of her hand
THIS IS SO FASCINATING AND THE VIVI PART WAS MINDBLOWING OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO I also noticed while watching the mv for the first time that the colors in this one scene were similair to Vivi's in Up & Line, but I'd have never dared to think it was such a huge connection wow you're genius
Oh my gosh! I am so shook! Thank you so very much for blessing us with this video! I already knew much of Olivia's Story, but I wasn't quite sure about certain things and you made them crystal clear! Your explanations and provision of evidence to support your claims are what make you the best at theory crafting at this point. Your work, and you yourself are truly astonishing. The section of this video where you discussed the possible connection between Vivi and Olivia was absolutely mind boggling and makes so much sense! TT Once again, thank you so very much for this blessing and I look forward to seeing more of your work as we experience the LOONAVERSE together!
So the apple and cherry are the forbidden fruits for the Eden unit. Notice that after JinSoul ate the cheery she considers it as a sin. Olivia ate that apple that was actually in Yves possession. Yves is the creator / God of the Eden unit and she purposefully give those fruits (apple and cheery) to the members of Eden (JinSoul, Choerry, and Olivia) to be eaten by them. These are the exact same scenario as Adam and Eve. If Olivia is Eve, what about JinSoul? JinSoul is actually not Adam, but she's actually the Devil, the one who persuade Olivia to be the "fallen angel" (notice that she is whispering words into Olivia's right ear, suggesting the "seduction" of the Devil to Eve), which makes Choerry the Adam in this scenario.
Maroza Sulaiman, in a episode of Loona TV, Haseul and other members tease Go Won about she is going to be a boy.. named Adam! She believe them because they told her that Haseul and Yves in one opportunity wear men's clothes
Yaaaas! I needed this😍 I love the last scene as well, when the fearless rabbit faces the lonely wolf. Can’t wait to see what’s to come for the eden subunit. What you pointed about vivi makes sense, didn’t even cross my mind. I see the light now. ❤️
I have a weird theory about the time of each unit like the 1/3 unit time is like night/morning, OEC the middle of the day, and Eden unit afternoon/end of the day. Idk why but it came suddenly into my mind. Like we see in Love&Live it's likely filmed in the morning like the sun has'nt fully showed and also Sonatine is filmed in night time. OEC's mvs are all filmed in day time and Eden unit's likely filmed in the end of the day idk like how at the end of egoist we see the sun setting and Heejin appears meaning that now it's her "time"
I really really love the way you analyze the MV's from Loona. It always feels like an academic analysis where everything is being structured properly as if you were analyzing classical literature or anything along those lines. The clear distinction between observations, analysis and interpretation makes your analysis videos so much more professional, smth which other RUclipsrs could look up to.
OH my god I am getting chills. With every second into this video it all just starts to click. I love these type of things. I haven't felt this since all the theories that came out after Hwayangyeonhwa. Thank you for these 30 minutes of perfection
In the Up&Line video we saw Vivi in a sort of place that looks like the one where Olivia was walking in so that could be the first place she sees when she wakes up as an android (as far it's not my theory i saw it in some other theories vides but now it's gonna be mine). I think that Jinsoul woke her up that's why she appears in both of Olivia and Vivi MVs ( the killer and the killed), maybe Jinsoul is Olivia's friend but couldn't accepts her to kill someone so she took Vivi's body to "Eden" to resurect her and gave her one of her Odd Eye ( assuming that her and Olivia has two Odd Eyes, bc the red glowing eyes of Olivia when exits the room), bc that was the only reason why she could have came back to life ( and that's why Vivi's "odd eye" in Love&Live is blue). We know that Yves loves Vivi but maybe Olivia loves her too and try to copy her (like Chuu but more sersiously) but Yves didn't wanted to her in her unit but wanted Vivi and then she killed her (but Jinsoul saved her) but still didn't wanted to accept her and wanted to have Choerry with her but she sent her friend Jinsoul to take her in OEC first; finally Yves knew about Olivia's doing and dropped her definetly. Then Olivia got really mad and wanted to burn everything and ate her forbidden fruit to have enough strength (between all of Eden's members she's the strongest bc she's a wolf, all the other are just weak animals such swan/penguin/butterfly; in fact she's the strongest in the whole LoonA ot12). She starts to burn everything near her even her "hom" a.k.a the bed and goes for the rest... THE LOONAVERSE!!!
Whoaaaaaaa... two things I’d like to add if you don’t mind!! Initially when I saw the first fallen angel blur, I thought it was Choerry (which makes sense because of the cherries and JinSoul being in what seems like a different world. [Maybe when the oec girls go in the other world is turns their color? Or maybe it was originally JinSoul’s world since she had access to it when to our knowledge no one else did]) (but looking at her face closer it does look more like JinSoul) and also I wanted to point out that the scene before the burning of the tape when Olivia is on the rooftop she does a dance that very heavily resembles Choerry’s dance in the other world! Maybe Olivia was the Choerry equivalent before we had Choerry? That would also explain why the tape was burned, because Olivia was burning all things that reminded her of her past/were related to her so maybe that tape had something with JinSoul and Olivia on it? Also!!! The light around the tape (like the shadows) are blue and red! JinSoul and (we can assume) Olivia! Maybe JinSoul, Yves, and Olivia were originally a unit and had a falling out? Thank you for the video!
I also notice that at 4:50 where olivia was dancing in the parking lot looks alot like the parking lot CHOERRY was dancing in, in Sweet Crazy Love. I thought that tied along to the picture of the cherry we saw earlier :)
I love your video and agree with everything. Through it I was like "yes! Yes!" Because it matched my theory so much! One more thing I've noticed: I think it was Jinsoul who might have turned Vivi into an android (made by Olivia). We saw in Up&Line that Olivia was black&white. Heejin was too (now that she is with Olivia?) But also in Vivi&Jinsoul's version of EILY Jinsoul's view/parts are in b&w but when turning face-to-face is in colour. It looks to me that Vivi met Jinsoul and thought she was nice but Jinsoul had hidden motives. And we know the last one Vivi saw was Jinsoul. I.might be wrong though :)
I always checked back to your channel every time and seeing this video pop up while in class, I was dying to watch it! I'm so thankful you showed the split second scenes because I was like "WAIT WAIT! WHAT DID THOSE FAST SCENES SHOWED?!" when I was watching the MV haha. They seriously paid a lot of attention to detail with LOONA and the community is amazing with so many theories, answers, and questions!
Maybe if Olivia Hye has the mission to "destroy everything" maybe that Heejin is here to stop her bc assuming she is the one who was sent first (yes bc she's wearing the same clothes as Olivia and Yves: white skirt/shirt and black thick heels) and was sent to create a whole new world so maybe Heejin has her Eden too and Olivia came to destroy her world and the end of "Egoist" but she knew she would come so she waited for her to prevent the destructions AND GONNA SEE A BIG FIGHT BETWEEN THEM ( bc between us the looks Heejin gave her wasn't welcoming)
unexpected theory and nobody pull this off so many work, every details make sense.This was a really interesting point of view with a lot of details. Thank you for your hardwork and being so active on Loona Video you are the prophet of Loonatics x')
That was awesome!!! I'm so confised about how the story will bring the 12 together to form a group! I just cant think of a scenario where they all become one. And I think the Eden group might be a prequel to Yves leaving Eden so when they're all inside Eden together as friends!
You make the absolute best videos of Loona on RUclips. Thank you for taking the time to share your theories with more fans! This is a wonderful fandom to be in and the best group to be a fan of. I'll be looking forward to more of your content! #StanLoona
I love your videos and I enjoyed every second! Thanks for the detailed analysis! Now some of my thoughts: I think Olivia hates the Eden Unit and doesn't want to be a part of it. As you said I think Vivi plays a big role. In New we can see how Yves uses two people to make her plan (to make all girls eat the forbidden fruit) happen. These two people are Choerry (she catches one apple and brings it to Gowon, that's why you can see her dropping the apple in One&Only MV) and Vivi who Yves hangs out with in her mv. Vivi is the only one outside of OEC who has an odd eye and I think that she plays a big role in the Loona verse. I think she's the connection to 1/3 while Choerry is the connection to OEC (she's the only one who's able to jump to different sides of the mobius stripe with her cherry). I think Yves has some kind of plan to unit Loona as a whole. She seems to know a lot more than others and she seems really powerful even though she's not the queen of Eden, that's Gowon. Maybe she's gonna be the future leader of the group. In New her goal was to save some members, I don't know why tho. She saves Chuu and Yeojin with the vending machine which is her last action in Eden. Then she leaves. Maybe something would have happened to these members if she wouldn't have saved them. She also thought about saving Olivia from the pit but she dropped her, maybe because she thought that Olivia is strong enough (as a wolf) to protect herself. She also chose Vivi to meet her in Eden. Maybe this was supposed to be Olivia but Yves changed her mind. I think the Eden girls left Olivia alone in Eden (that's why Olivias setting looks so similar to the setting of New) because they had to chose who they needed to help first. But they forgot that Olivias animal is a wolf and wolves need a pack. A lonely wolf is really aggressive and is going to die because a lonely wolf is not able to hunt big animals. A wolf can't be alone. That's why Olivia gets really angry about the situation, feels left alone from her "pack". She starts to hate the Eden girls, that's why she burns everything that belongs to them and doesn't want to join them anymore. But she also burns the cassette of Vivi! Also the stuffed animal that gets burned looks a lot more like a Deer to me than a swan! I think she hates Vivi for taking her place next to Yves. That destroys the plan of Yves because she didn't thought about this "bad" side of Olivia. Now it's Heejins turn. I think she tries to convince Olivia to join them. Not Eden but 1/3. She knows that Olivia hates eden but they still need her to bring all Loona members together. If Olivia continues to be an Egoist and mad about Yves, she's not gonna help the other 11 girls. I think Heejin tries to make the meeting of 12 girls happen with calming Olivia. What do you guys thinks?
I Think Chuu, Gowon and Yves are YYY and Olivia is X because she's the only member that doesn't want to be in this unit. She bites the forbidden fruit to help herself out in the pit which turns her into an Egoist
![[MV] 이달의 소녀/Olivia Hye (LOONA/올리비아 혜) "Egoist (Feat. JinSoul)"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UkY8HvgvBJ8/mqdefault.jpg)
Edit: Thanks to LuneNoir for pointing out that the eye of the creature we saw WAS in fact of a WOLF and NOT a deer! Here's the original video of it!
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First of all I would like to apologize for the length of this video. I did not expect it to be this long. I tried to explain with as much facts and details on how I came to my conclusions. The first 17 minutes were spent exploring most of the things found in the MV. After that is my theory and interpretation of the MVs story. So for those interested in skipping to that part go to the 17:37 mark of the video.
Secondly, I would like to thank all of you who have shown much interest in my videos. I did not expect them to get this much attention. With that said, please remember that these are just my personal views about the story of the Loonaverse. Please don’t take them as facts even if you think it makes sense. In fact I encourage to come up with your own view of the Loonaverse and share it!
Lastly, OT12 is finally here! T^T I can’t wait for the Eden unit to debut and the whole group after that! Let’s keep supporting them as they continue to keep us interested and entertained with their music and stories!
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Daebak Jjang you don't need to apologize. you're amazing
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i think the difference for the wolves is that before she eats her forbidden fruit the wolf is grey with blue eyes (but you cant see that thanks to the coloring in the video even though its very different from the black and yellow wolf we see as she awakens) but represents the change in herself and why the wolf changes colors
Eduardo César oh my god!!! Is the scene in olvia's mv!! So scary, specially when the wolf is showing its teeth, olivia really fits the role of a lone wolf
That person behind of the picture is Yves at 15:25
30 minutes of LOOΠΔVERSE scripture... I'm religious again
best 30 mins of my life
kpophyung Same! Love your vids btw
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I saw a Twitter post theorizing along these lines and I just thought I’d share.
- All of the members resides in Eden peacefully, and Olivia was in love with Yves. Once Yves creates her new Eden, she began convincing the other members to join her one by one, but through doing so, she eventually fell in love with Vivi. Olivia somehow learned of this (maybe one of the oec members acted as a messenger) and she grew angry. This made her want to destroy Yves’ new Eden, and thus her love for Vivi. Yves nearly gets Olivia to come with her, but she sees her true self (because she ate her fruit) and lets go of her. Olivia gets even more furious with her, and decides the only way she can ever be happy again is to kill Vivi. She asks JinSoul to do it, seeing as she’s stuck elsewhere. JinSoul has mercy on Vivi (because of their prior connection) and puts her soul in an Android and hides her far away. Meanwhile, Olivia eats her own fruit, and gains knowledge, and finally accepts her true self. She manages to bring herself into Yves’s eden, with the intent of destruction. But on the rooftop, she meets Heejin, who convinced her that “life is rosy” and that destroying the new Eden will only bring about more misery. So Olivia adapts to her new life, and doesn’t destroy the new Eden.
I think that heejin may be some sort of time lord, and promises Olivia that she can turn back time to reverse the events that happened, so she can make a different choice. But I don’t think time can be changed in the loonaverse (möbius strip theory) and that Heejin is just starting the loop again
The thing you said about OEC member being a messenger got me thinking of that scene in the MV where Jinsoul takes Olivia's earphone out and whispers something. hmmmmmm
I still think Eden is just a part o the Loonaverse that Heejin created. So now, Heejin is there to either stop Olivia or try and build a new world from scratch where they can all be together, since she didn't just destroy the Eden (as Vivi's tape, part of 1/3 world, was also burned)
So in a sum this is just a love triangle story (square if we include JiChuu) where Yves is the popular one in Eden, having both Chuu and Olivia all over her but she fell for the Chinese goddess instead. Chuu almost died because of heart attack when she became aware but fortunately was saved by mama Haseul, Olivia tho being the sly wolf she is want to slayed the deer because of her jealousy so she told uri Jinsolie unnie to went to Hongkong and killed her but fortunately for the Chinese deer, my love blue beta wasn't a heartless fish so she decided to put her soul in an android and hide her on the Loona 1/3 dungeon.. The most complicated but interesting love story ever be...
...I just few moments ago was so sure of theory in my head, but now THIS what makes sense the most so far I've scrolled through. JinSoul owns power to switch place/time & she's the first OEC who noticed her odd eyes.
What if after denying Olivia's order & hid ViVi instead, JinSoul rushed finishing her mission forming OEC (helping Choerry & KimLip noticing their odd eyes), then she came back to Olivia to say she must stop rampaging over ViVi, instead should begin corporate with the entire Loonaverse & be "one". In Egoist, JinSoul whispered to seemingly Olivia's ear, singing this-theory-related lyrics. JinSoul also blatantly showed Olivia that she's on ViVi's side now (by appearing with the Chinese "Fallen Angel").
Olivia then consumed her forbidden blood plum & embraced her true self, yet everything's been burned, & HeeJin comes to help her rebuilding Loonaverse again. Then they began ViViD storyline & so on.
HeeJin's Glasses that's so interesting! Could be ❤
This was the best MV from BBC because of the dual nature in the MV. Although it looks like Olivia is accepting herself, she actually violently killed the old part of her instead. In the scene where she meets the other side of her, she does not look happy or relieved like you think someone would be. Instead she looks emotionless. The way she hugs herself and lies with the other side of her is instead, very sad and kind of apologetic, like she is sorry of what is to come. This is because Olivia is going to kill this weaker part of her instead by burning her with the lighter. Such an awesome character has made it to the Loonaverse!
Here's why I think it's important Olivia Hye's colour being black and being the wolf in sheep's clothing:
We need to start by understanding the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, particularly the part of eating forbidden fruit. What does it do to Eve? It gives her the knowledge of good and evil, and when she tempts Adam to eat it too, they both become aware of being naked, so they develop shame and create clothing to hide their private parts. Why are they called "private parts"? Why is being naked so scary? It's because we're the only mammal who stand upright and so the front of us, including the parts of us that create more of us, are exposed, hence we have to wear clothing to protect ourselves. We're not like other animals whose backs guard their vulnerable fronts.
Why is becoming self aware of your vulnerability important, and what does the forbidden fruit have to do with it? When you know your own vulnerabilities, you know exactly how you can be hurt, and if you are tempted, you can easily hurt other people having the knowledge at hand of good and evil. You know what's good for you AND bad for you, and thus it lets you know what might very well be good and bad for others. EDEN was a paradise where Adam and Eve were unconscious and non-thinking kind of like animals. I know animals think too, but their mode of thinking is more of the visual and reactionary type, whereas us humans have developed language and the concept of the future, and knowing the future lets us know that we all die one day, thus furthering the knowledge that our vulnerability is what causes us to tell the difference between good and evil.
Furthermore, being in a state of blissful ignorance, as is the case with Adam and Eve in Eden, is ALSO like being a child. We start off unaware of ourselves and express ourselves freely until we learn in our childhoods what kinds of behaviours are acceptable and unacceptable in society, thus making us more self conscious and straying further and further away from Eden ie blissful ignorance. And that's painful because to know where we lack we can go of two ways: becoming resentful, of the world around us, of our flaws, and how we can't bring the gap between them--or we can strive for the highest good. We can know ourselves. We can love ourselves. Flaws included.
So for Olivia Hye to develop self awareness and learn how to love herself, despite having a wolf's predatory intent, increases her chances of joining the new Eden that Yves created. The new Eden is another harmonious place like the original one, except you can only enter it after developing self love and self knowledge. Which again, comes with a price because you have to accept your own capacity for malevolence, which is why I think Olivia burned up all those objects. She knows they mean something to the members and to us fans, but the burning of it isn't an insult to our devotion to the group, or the group's devotion to each other. Far from it. It's an invitation to a new world; the modern world. It's an invitation to grow up and free ourselves of nostalgia.
Clueless is a really old film that satirized the young and naive young girl trope, casettes have long become obsolete. The bed, associated with sleep and unconsciousness. All these objects being burnt symbolize leaving the past, nostalgia, and unconsciousness behind.
And finally Olivia's colour being black. Why is this important? An interpretation of the Garden of Eden story goes like this: the reason why it's a fruit of all things is because it's fruits and snakes that have forced humans to evolve to the point of detecting colour. Our ancestors saw in black and white until they started searching for fruit, which requires the detection of colour to tell the berries from the bush. AND since snakes have been long time predators of human beings, developing eyesight and a detection of colour was even more important so you can tell the snakes apart from the greenery.
And so that's why I think it's important Olivia's colour is black and that she's a wolf. Sure she's not a snake like the typical Lucifer story, but the sentiment is the same: she's a predator. That may seem evil and horrible at first, but then you think about all the other people and things that prey on you. If you have self knowledge and self love, you first of all have the self respect to know that you need to protect yourself, and thus learning to protect and value yourself helps you GROW as a human being. We need danger to challenge us in order to develop our character, otherwise we're just blissfully ignorant children in the Garden of Eden.
This is so beautiful :')
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Vivian Franco thanks :D I can't take all the credit though.
Most of what I said is based from Dr. Jordan Peterson's lecture on the Garden of Eden.
I'm not even Christian anymore but I do love how he dissects the psychological meanings behind Bible stories
I wanna read that book
Vivian Franco the Bible or do you want the link to the lecture?
Okay but Heejin at the end looked like she was ready to beat some sense into Olivia Hye
got my popcorn ready and my choerrywig is gone
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My brain straight broke when the pics of the new DNA image and the twisted pink/blue braid from EILY went up side-by-side. Their attention to detail (and your ability to catch them) just constantly astounds me. This community is amazing.
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Some people were saying Olivia killed Vivi and THAT'S the reason Yves let her fall, and it was an interesting thought but the timelines don't really match...
Others say because Yves chose Vivi and not Olivia (making her fall) is the reason she killed Vivi, as revenge.
Idk idk idk
The only thing that's sure is that Yves is a heartbreaker lmao
Josefina Diaz Vazquez it's also a theory that Olivia sent Jinsoul to kill vivi that's why she's in the mv and has a sparkle under one eye
DanielDouglas ohhHHH INTERESTING OMG
I have a theory that ViVi was actually the red member of OEC! In her other MV (not EILY), she wears the red OEC uniform for a scene, then Jinsoul appears. So maybe when she was human, she was actually in place of KimLip. This makes sense since cassete tapes are usually associated with Kim Lip, but maybe in the timeline, they actually represent ViVi first, which explains why we see a cassette tape burning in Olivia's MV.
Haha, Yves the womanizer and heartbreaker
Isaac Steltzer she also has an OEC and her storyline of love and live was Vivi not fitting in and being ignored (kinda like how Olivia was ignored in love4ever)
I figured Olivia is satan (a fallen angel), which would make Heejin God (she started/created LOONA, which supports this). Olivia and Heejin are opposites on the mobius strip, but also the closest. Them meeting at the end shows how close/similar they are, yet different.
Great vid !! I can't wait to see more of the Loonaverse story
Woah. I think so too.
Nayoung's w e a v e since OEC are on the fold of the mobius strip, where loona 1/3 and the eden unit (kind of) meet. i think that's how they can travel between 1/3 and eden. i have another theory that OEC are human while 1/3 are angels and eden are demons but that's another story lmao
Maddie also notice how Olivia’s MV border is black and not white like seen in everyone else’s mv?
Maddie this also could be supported by the fact that when Heejin appears there's a blue light and when the video focus again on Olivia it's red. Those are the colours that are usually associated to heaven and hell and as we saw in the video these colours also take part in the loonaverse thing. Also if we combine blue and red we obtain purple which is Choerry's colour
I mean, without destruction you can't create things or doing rebirth
Who else is extremely excited that they're taking Intro To Loonaverse 101 this semester with Professor Jjang?
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And now ladies and gentlemen, the LoonaVerse...is comeplete.
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Probably it means nothing, but of all animals in her subunit, the only one that's pretty difficult to catch is Go Won's blue emperor butterfly. The wolf can easily catch and kill a penguin or a Swan.
is that why go won was able to hide from chuu and yves in her mv?
So, I have an idea.
If Yves really let Olivia go because she could see one's "true" self, would it be because she killed VIVI? Or, was it because Olivia was trying to foil her plans by stopping the very first person who joined the "new" Eden with her; who was Vivi? If Olivia did kill Vivi, wouldn't that explain why she was later seen as an android? Wouldn't that explain why she seen Yves as a boy, instead of who she was in new?
If that's the case, Yves let her go because she knew that Olivia was going to deceive her from the very beginning.
Remember, Go-won left Eden last.
Do you think Olivia feels lonely, so instead of relying on the others to help, she relies on herself? She finds her own fruit and then realizes that she doesn't need anybody's love but her own, and that she can only rely on herself.
Also, when Yves was holding onto Olivia, you could see that Olivia's expression was that of someone who had been hurt very gravely, and it seemed to soften as Yves was slowly letting go.
The white feathers symbolized Olivia's purity. The red feathers soon symbolized showed every sin, considering why there were a lot of red feathers, and very few white ones.
The red lighting on Olivia's face; only started with a little. But notice as the MV goes on, it starts to cover her whole face. It was like an infection, but it started to spread quickly. It spread entirely as soon as she ate the blood plum.
One thing I didn't see anyone mention yet is that at one point in Chuu's video, she tries on a bomber jacket very similar to Olivia's, intercut with when she is practicing Yves dance in the mirror. Chuu began to understand that there was something going on through getting close to Yves, before biting her fruit. Maybe during that time before biting her fruit, she also got an inkling about Olivia's existence and tried that on, too? Tried on the idea of going against Yves, as represented by the jacket? She was very bitter for a little while, when Yves was rejecting her. Ultimately, she rejects Olivia's way, but she may have considered joining Olivia for a moment. edit: Also, this a reach, but could Olivia be present as sunlight in Go Won's video? At the end, there are three symbols -- but there are four girls in the unit. What if Olivia is the ray of light (sunlight in the afternoon)? Also light creates shadow. Maybe the reason Chuu and Yves were so intent on Go Won at that moment was because she was encountering Olivia (who was creating, or maybe was, the shadow. Casting light on Go Won's real self.)
WoodJH Yeah, I noticed the jacket too! It had me in mistery
If Olivia is meant to be Satan then.... before he fell from heaven his name was Samael (if I havent butchered it) which means "messenger of light" or "morning star", so her being the morning sun would make sense.
Thank you!! This is everything I needed and more, these videos are so good and this has to be the best one yet
OMG Johan, even you watch Daebak Jjang videos, that's crazy
Uriah Dio he has mentioned daebak jjang a few times recently, even told ppl to subscribe lol
heyitsmira that's really great, I might missed that part
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30 minutes im going to get some popcorn this is gonna be incredible
its like watching a movie, xD I got a soft drink and some ships and I'm sitting here munching while pausing and reading and going back to read again and continuing with the vid XD. God I love our fandom~
Ikr these amazing theories got me shook
Omg the vivi part makes so much sense!
another interesting point in the MV :)
in the ending scene we see Olivia and Heejin standing in front of each other, on Olivias side there is red light while on Heejins side there is blue light. Coincidence? i don't think so. but i don't really know to interpret that >~
maybe kimlip and jinsoul playa bigger role than we thought..? bc in the mv there are a lot of scenes in blue and red..
I just had a thought thay maybe red is uses to symbolize evil
... and who's color is red? Kim Lip's. Also, Olivia and her are the only ones who have animals that are predators (owls and wolves both hunt other animals). Maybe she is somehow in Olivia's side, the evil side? (Are there even sides? This is confusing omg)
Dahyunnie Jyp hyunjins animals is a predator too tho
totolo as we see and know, jinsoul has to play some bigger role as she appeared in the mv. So i think it could be that kim lip too has a "bigger" role :)
Dahyunnie Jyp i don't think that there are sides, that would kind of well "destroy" the whole nice loonaverse concept in my eyes but who knows :) i think that maybe some members have a more "darker" background or something and they need to let go of that or i don't know. I'm not good on making theories :)
I generally agree with the points made on the video. Just a couple other things that are worth noticing:
I think the MV is more of an inversion of "new" than its dark version. "new" makes a lot of visual references to falling / climbing down (the elevator numbers dropping, the falling apples, throwing stuffed animals off building, Yves looking down, going from rooftops and high buildings in high daylight to tunnels at night). The only reference to being picked up is the claw machine. This MV clearly represents ascension, the only representation of falling being dropped from the claw machine. "new" introduces the fall as the solution to maturing, "leaving Eden", but "Egoist" presents an even more mature answer: clawing your way up. Olivia learns the hard way.
While there's a point to the perspective of Olivia burning down the last unit's images and icons (especially pertaining to Yves) has to do with a sense of renewal, I think it's mostly the completion of her own arc: she no longer chooses to hide behind an image akin to Yves', she no longer needs her tricks, she can be herself. That's why she also burns her own mattress, covered at first in white feathers akin to an angel, but also a white swan, only to then be revealed as a trick. This mirrors the lyrics' sentiment of giving up on trying to please another person, choosing instead to love oneself.
Another Yves X Olivia inversion i notice is that "new" represents Yves with a very obstinate image. She's shown either under the dark night or bright daylight, right or wrong, which becomes a theme throughout "Heart Attack" and especially "One & Only". Olivia sees glimmers of strong light while in the building, but she seems to miss the sunlight by the time she climbs out of the building. As her time out of the building features less and less light, it looks like a sunset. An allusion to her "missing" Yves, but also maybe a representation of her being less about the black and white we have been literally seeing throughout this unit's MVs. She introduces some nuance, she poses more questions and challenges to a group that seemed to have already matured.
Which brings me to the reason behind Yves' letting go of her hand. Before watching this video, I was clueless (haha) as to why that was. Since Loonaverse narratives aren't typically about conscious choice (even in your videos I don't think I ever saw you mention something happening because one of the girls deliberately thought it would be a good choice), the moment where it is suggested that Yves thought it would be better to let her go stood out to me. Loonaverse imo is about a representation of an arc, the things depicted aren't a literal narrative, but more of a figurative one, and understanding that is essential to begin grasping the hints they leave (part of the reason why Chuu's MV looks so meta to me lol). So!! I think, rather than choosing to drop Olivia, Yves' action represents the realization this unit isn't the end all of Loona. Olivia, and what she represents, seems to scare her, and she cowers away -- very unlike the resolute Yves we have seen so far. They don't have all the answers, and they need to realize that themselves to grow up beyond their current state. All of it was just the beginning. Maturing is an unending process, the mobius strip is an infinite loop. It's also shocking imagery that lets you know the Loonaverse has more changes awaiting into the future, too.
I want to see more of how Vivi fits into this. So far, it seems to ve heavily implied that Vivi is the represenation for the beginning of the mobius movement in Loonaverse. She is the odd one out, the one that looks different. In Love & Live, she seems to have a hard time relating to the world for being different. Then the funniest thing happens: instead of running in the perfect elipse of the running track like the other 3 girls, she dashes on a tangent, twisting the elipse, and heading into the meadows, the unkown, where we frequently see OEC. It feels like she, like Choerry, is aware something is off, so her coming to play a part in the completion of this first arc is interesting. I hope this leads to some explanations within the verse as to Yeojin's disappearance, since only Choerry and Vivi seem to point to the issue of her not being there.
Just a little easter egg that may be a coincidence but I found it amusing: this MV represents the shedding of an innocent façade to embrace your real self, even if a dark one. This is mainly pictured in the red room, where Olivia is seen dancing in a white shirt with black overalls. I just thought that was similar to the oufit Kimlip wears in the "Eclipse" choreography video. Just funny that they chose that outfit to represent the moment the dark self takes over the bright pretense lol
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I came here after seeing "So What" MV again this week... I see differents scenes that make me think about Olivia debut.
- The feathers (for Haseul AND the fallen angel).
- Vivi being badass af.
- Olivia Hye burning everything.
- HeeJin runing to a giant sign, watching everything being burn...
Also, on the teasers people were saying that HeeJin was standing on the light side of the moon and Olivia Hye on the dark side, just like the end of Egoist. HeeJin probably is the one who can calm down Olivia Hye, the only one who actually understand her power and try to control her so no disasters can happen. But after Hi High, they separete again, and HeeJin try hard to found Olivia Hye so no one else get hurt (as Vivi) but OliHye, in my opinion, save everyone.
Burning everything, making almost an apocalypse, stops the mobius because something DIFFERENT happen...
If you saw the movie "Riaru Onigokko" a point phrase is: "destiny can be fooled simply by doing something that one would never do normally".
In my opinion, on the destiny was write that OliHye was going to hurt Vivi and everyone would forgive her on Hi High, but when the loop was going to start again, Olivia realized this and just decide to act by herself... because she doesn't want any other one to get hurt, but sacrificate herself for them.
At the end, she's fine and the feathers that were burning, comebacks to being complete and safe like nothing happen.
My Theory is that Heejin is God and Loona 1/3 and Loona 3/3 are angels, ODD EYE CIRCLE are demons and. Loona 1/3 and Loona 3/3 lived a normal life in Heaven although Oliva developed a crush on Yves but Yves likes Vivi which results to anger and Oliva killed Vivi that's why she turned into a robot which explains a lot of blood in the mv. Heejin was really mad about it since she killed Vivi so she dropped Oliva out of Heaven and landed in Hell then we see the first scene where she was laying down in a bed of feathers which represents her broken wings then she woke up and started to wander off and explore Hell until she found Jinsoul who is also a Fallen Angel which explains the word behind her then she starts whispering to Oliva and this is probably what she said "Olivia we don't deserve God pushes us out of Heaven can't you fell any anger and grudge over God. It's time Oliva, it's time to fight back we will defend and fight for ourselves cause we are The Fallen Angels!" after the rap part we can see that Olivia changed her expression from innocent look to mad look. The reason why it seems like she's ascending is because she's going up to Heaven to confront God which she does in the bridge scene so she was looking for Heejin/God and finally Heejin found her and they looked at each other Heejin with an innocent face because she knows she can defeat Oliva while Oliva having a mad face. In the last scen before they confronted we see the bed of feathers being burnt probably it means she's ready to become a demon so she burned her wings.
Excellent work! I wonder if her dancing in the parking garage has any connection to Choerry dancing in the parking garage in SCL?
BTW, the Chinese "Fallen Angel" behind JinSoul is likely also a tribute/reference to Wong Kar Wai's movies. BBC/Digipedi are probably big fans of his work, since one of his movies had that exact same title, and it was a dark and moody movie about an assassin's cleanup person falling in love with the assassin, and another one of his movies, "Chungking Express," has a character who ate a bunch of canned pineapples (Go Won's fruit) and had opened cans all around her just like JinSoul does here. It could be coincidental and doesn't seem to have any real relevance to the Loonaverse lore. You pointing out that it's written in Chinese and that Vivi's the only Chinese member, as well as that deer eye--those are much more relevant connections.
I wonder if the whole part involving Vivi might be about how the sub-units were formed. Maybe Vivi was supposed to be a part of the 3rd sub-unit, but Olivia replaced her instead, thus symbolically "killing" her. The android version of her then ended up in 1/3.
This is great but i'm scared
Someone on twitter also caught a moment in which Yves' eyes appear in one of those flashes twitter.com/DinahstyFlexin/status/979824317528653824?s=19
And also, when Olivia is entering that ominous room, the choice of lighting was really interesting. When she enters the room in which she comes out of later with her two eyes open (possibly meaning full clarification), the only colors of the scene are red, blue and purple. The colors of Odd Eye Circle, the only ones besides Vivi that have odd eyes in this universe.
I haven't seen so much care in crafting a visual image, a concept and using all possible means of symbolism in media and been this overwhelmed with it since I watched Breaking Bad. DigiPedi, BBC, the whole production crew have so much care for details and references, it's amazing. I've never seen something so carefully done in kpop so far, such an ambitious project, so I really need to give props to them. They took it to a whole new level. It's a shame that this is a small company making it, it would gain so much more attention if a mainstream company did something like this...
But this is just the start. LOONA didn't even start yet.
my theory:
Everyone in the Eden unit seems to have a thing for Yves, Chuu wanted Yves’ love, Gowon was hiding from it but eventually gave in and in this video “Love myself today” which means Olivia loved Yves. However, as we see in New, Yves loved Vivi and I think that made Olivia jealous which explains why she attacked her. It explains why Vivi is now an android and why Olivia was dropped by Yves. After this it’s probable that Olivia felt betrayed because what she did she did it out of love, that’s why she ends up hating Yves. Therefore burning all of anything that had to do with her, the cygnet, the eden uniform and the tapes.
Bonus: the room Olivia came out from had the colors Red and Blue and she came out with two odd eyes ;)
So... Olivia Hye killed Vivi and that's the reason why she is an android now? I thought that somehow they all were immortal beings, I don't know...
Mel Isa Olivia is a Wolf, Vivi is a deer... it's possibile Olivia killed Vivi
Marcotd 79 yeah but why? I mean, Hyunjin is a cat and she didn't kill Haseul (bird) or Jinsoul(fish), so there must be a reason behind this
They kinda are, since Vivi is still "alive" as an android, which wouldn't be possible for normal people
Olivia Hye probably killed the human side of ViVi, making her incapable of feelings things, thus turning into an Android
Izzy Oswin ^
That disclaimer is a lie. Your word is law.
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Is BBC ever going to explain all of this??
during up and line there was something like a movie that showed some pretty interesting things, maybe someday they'll upload it for everyone
yes they are doing it through events like cinema theory and up and line. eventually they'll post the theory videos.
Daebak Jjang is a BBC insider, so unofficially they already explained it
I was thinking, ⅓ and the Eden unit are counter parts of each other. Heejin may be Olivia Hye’s counterpart. She would be the girl Olivia hugs and lies down in bed with in the MV. It would make sense bc she is “accepting herself” there. If we were to continue with the idea that the ⅓ and Eden members are counterparts to each other...here’s my take on the other members. Yves/Haseul, Chuu/Yeojin, Go Won/Hyunjin. In my head it makes sense, Haseul’s relationship with Yeojin is similar to Chuu and Yves in Heart Attack’s MV. I saw from somewhere that Go Won gave Hyunjin a bracelet in her MV. Anyway that’s all I have but thank you for take the time to create these videos and making sense of the Loonaverse! I’ve seen others but in my opinion yours are more sensible and I appreciate the hard work and time you’ve gone into tying your points with sources! Complete theory videos can’t be made overnight. Amazing job, can’t wait for more!
the fact is heejin was the one hugging her. but i think in the mv, she was just playing the part of olivia's true self -bcs when olivia entered the room, the one sitting on the bed was herself. so she was hugging heejin who played the part of olivia's true self.
March BBC has a purpose for everything they do esp in their MV’s you’d question why Heejin of all people. They probably brought her into the MV bc she’s the first girl. Also yes, you’re correct they used Heejin as Olivia’s true self but why? Maybe bc she’s her counter part if you take the Möbius strip from @Daebak Jjang’s other theory videos into consideration. It’s just a theory but it’s fun to think about it!
As I was watching I just had the tought that Olivia didn't needed Yves' metal claws to climb because she have her own strong wolf claws. (A fact that can be seen as a beautiful metaphor for self strength).
Thanks once again for an amazing video. I respect your views and thoughs so much that I'm always excited to see more, I have nothing but respect for the person who first brought the (confirmed) Möbius theory to the Loonaverse. I activated the notifications before this video 'cause I knew it was gonna be huge! And it was! The Vivi part made me shook, I would never guess.
for the past 3 days I kept constantly checking the channel for an update on this lmao I absolutely LOVE your videos! thank you so much for taking the time to make them
Raphaella Borges SAME
i think if pink haired vivi is an android and blonde vivi is a human, then dark haired vivi must be a version of vivi that olivia made if the theory about olivia destroying yves’ Eden and making her own is true
her black hair is her human form but dead
I think the red feathers refer to Olivia killing (or hurting) Yves since her animal has feathers OR maybe it is related to Haseul (because she was wearing a dress covered in feathers) and if it's this then that might explain why Heejin is there, maybe she realized Olivia hurt her friends and is there to fight with Olivia.
Also I think maybe Olivia is going to be a soloist since she doesn't belong to 1/3, OEC and maaaaaybe not to the last unit (for what happened with Yves) and that can be a reason of why she doesn't seem closer with anyone in the final unit.
A 30 minute loona theory video?! Omfg I’m quaking
The Vivi Theory makes so much sense, what I'm still interested is in JinSoul animal she's a blue beta fish, according to the characteristics of female beta fishes, they always keep a hierarchy order when they're in groups, why she's the only aquatic animal? Does it mean that she's the queen bee? The way she carries herself makes me think so but also does Yves. To much questions my mind is tired 😛 What I like about LOONA is that we as fans we can discuss and make an effort to understand them and make a true community other just admiring their beauty and music, I think that's what makes LOONA different 😘
I was listening to Vivid and it hit me. Vivid is all about bright colors, and Heejin is the first member. Olivia Hye is dark (black being her color) and she's the last member. Yves must really like 1/3 but they do not know themselves (or accept themselves for that matter, "self knowledge").
Yves must admire them but cannot be them, she eats the apple and gains self-knowledge, and makes her own Eden. Chuu and Gowon are "pressured" to join Eden, but Olivia Hye isn't. She gains a different type of self knowledge and realized shes a predator, and isn't like Heejin or anyone else in Eden. Eden counterparts 1/3 but Olivia Hye stands out the most. She's dangerous.
Who else stands out the most? *Vivi*, she's a fucking android. There's a comment saying Jinsoul transferred Vivi from human form with blonde hair to android form in blonde hair (was Vivi supposed to be in OEC, maybe. Was Olivia Hye supposed to be in 1/3, maybe, but a reach).
Anyways, that theory makes sense. I don't think Olivia Hye likes Vivi, and Jinsoul protected Vivi. Jinsoul is also a messenger (but I don't really know how that connects to everything but it makes sense. It goes in Olivia Hye killing people/loving other members, I dont go there).
Olivia Hye is unlike everyone, especially Heejin, and Yves, she has the *truest* self knowledge. OEC is just odd. 1/3 counters Eden. Idk where Hyunjin, Haseul, Yeojin, or Kim Lip come into play. Maybe its everyone with detailed descriptions. Maybe I'll update after looking into more theories, this is just ideas from comments and my own thinking.
It might be that Vivi fell from Eden too to be with Yves in her Eden. In your previous theories you said Vivi passed through OEC part of Mobius. I think that Jinsoel might have come to this part of the Mobius circle to save Vivi from Olivia who was the one who turned her into a android to try to destroy Yves's Eden. That's why Vivis memories of her human self is different because Olivia wanted her to forget Yves to hurt her. What Jinsol did to vivi is what she did to Cheorry by moving her to a different part of Mobius. Which I also think she moved Cheorry because Yves needed her to give the apple to Gowon.
20:41 I just had a small realisation about the "wolf in sheep clothing". Olivia is dressed in all white - like a sheep - but on the inside she is the wolf.
Also, I find it interesting that in the hashtag at 23:34 they wrote "Eve" in Korean
I have noticed this kinda thing that happens in various MVs, where we can see the girls noticing each others presence even though they cant really see each other??? Maybe it implies that all of the girls come from the Eden (except probably JinSoul and Kim Lip, who live in earth, the other side of the Mobius strip) and thus they are connected, so even when they no longer live in the same side of the strip/universe, they can still /feel/ each other. Connecting Yves', Chuu's and Olivia's MV theories, it comes to my mind that maybe, originally all of the girls of 1/3 and the girls from the Eden unit + Choerry lived in Eden or heaven, the upside part of the Mobius strip. Then, as the MV for Egoist suggest, Olivia Hye might have hurted ViVi (probably as an accident) and that's why she fell from heaven, she became mortal, so they had to turn her into an android in order for her to become immortal again and thus be accepted in heaven again (resulting in ViVi losing her original memories and forgeting that she was actually in love with Yves and not with a boy as EILY suggests). All of this was seen by Yves, who notices that there is something off about all of the Eden thing going on and she decides that she no longer wants to live that fait, she wants to fall down to earth which is the other side of the Mobius strip and make earth the new Eden. She does fall down by biting her fruit (the apple) and then she convinces Chuu to do the same with her fruit by ignoring her until she does bite the strawberries. This is kind of like forcing Chuu into maturing so she can finally leave the Eden, as we know that the Chuu that is living in heaven is very innocent and naive. Then they do the same thing with GoWon by convincing her that in earth shell be happier and able to accept and love herself (as we see in the scenes of One&Only MV where her shadow dances and wears a crown while herself in Eden doesnt). There's this scene that seems to prove my theory, when GoWon finally eats the pineapple, "wakes up" as a new GoWon in earth and now she can finally see Yves and Chuu!! What i think is that GoWon was running away and hiding from them because she actually couldn't see them but she could feel them talking to her from the other side of the strip!! Then we come to Olivia Hye, who can't be convinced as they did with GoWon because she feels too guilty and afraid of herself not being good enough as the rest of the girls after hurting ViVi. Maybe this is why Yves decided to force her into maturing (just like she did with Chuu), literally pushing her out of the Eden and only after that, Olivia finally comes to the realization that leaving heaven was the best for her. Also, if my interpretation is correct, this proves the counterparts theory too. Perhaps the reason why Yves wanted to leave in the first place was because she came to the realisation that the Eden unit girls were too different from each of their counterparts (the ones from 1/3) and that they would never be able to be happy living in heaven as they would have to stick to the expectations of them being good and perfect. They didn't want to love others, they wanted to love themselves and maybe that is why the concepts of 1/3 and the last unit are complete opposites.
This is where OEC girls become important!! Following the mirrored girls logic, we assume that Kim Lip and JinSoul are their counterparts and that is why they are together living on earth. They dont actually affect the whole universe because they are together and that is the whole point. They are the guardians, its just that they dont know until the other girls fall from heaven and break the balance of the Loonaverse. This is when their awakening happens. Notice that they are the ones that have the most different concept compared to the rest of the girls, but their concepts happen to be extremely similar. Also, they are the only ones that seem to go through a sort of ritual in their MVs in order to "wake up" their powers. When they do, they travel to the bending part of the Mobius strip and lose track of each other, thats why we see them looking for each toher in Girl Front MV. They NEED to be together. What i think is that Kim Lip is able to travel in time while JinSoul can travel in space, but obviously just in one dimension, one side of the strip. This is why they need Choerry to help them , who happens to be the combination of the two. Red+Blue = Purple and Time-travel+Space-travel = Inter-dimensional travel. Coincidence? I don't think so. All of this leads me to think that OEC's "mission" is to reunite all of the girls because just as in Kim Lip and JinSoul's case, they need to be together with their counterparts in order to preserve the balance of the LOONAVERSE. If this is correct, it explains why in Girl Front we see them not only looking for each other, but also looking for the other girls, both the fallen ones and the ones that are still living in heaven. I haven't figured out yet if the point is to go back to the Eden, the upside part of the Mobius strip, or if they can stay on earth just as long as they are together. But, my final conclusion is that all of this journey leads us to the debut of Loona OT12, an event that will only happen when all of the girls are reunited and thus the moon that is Loona is finally full again!!
Sorry if this is too long or confusing, i hope i made sense and that my point is understandable. Also sorry for any mistakes or confusing parts, English is not my first language but I did try my best to explain what I think of this whole universe TT
“You who were sent by god, destroy everything without hesitation”
Imo it’s much simpler than what it is. Literally, Olivia was sent by god to punish and destroy the eden that Yves has made and built with Chuu and GoWon since they rejected the original eden. Olivia is the “fallen angel” since she has to purposely fall from the original eden to “trick” Yves into getting into her new version of eden so she can destroys it. But like you said, yves noticed this and lets go. Olivia is not trying to destroy both eden, she is from god’s side and is on a mission to destroy them
1) Yves denies god and create a new eden
2) Yves recruits Chuu and GoWon
3) God sent Olivia as fallen angel to trick Yves into recruiting her into the new eden
4) Yves noticed this and let go
5) Olivia eats the plum and shows her real self. Ends up showing her real intention of destroying Yve’s eden
Well that’s one way of looking at it.
:)
I have thought of that as well but the only thing that goes against that theory is that all 4 girls supposedly rejected eden. They did so by eating their fruits. I think it was also in a couple of their MVs description when they said that all 4 girls rejected eden.
Gowon: "Yves, Chuu and Go Won will soon meet the last piece of the puzzle to create their own universe of girls who escaped the Garden of Eden."
Chuu: "When four girls who denied the garden of Eden gathers, the party begins."
Unless of course they're talking about a different girl... Then that's another theory for another time 😆
actually, I appreciate it more when theory videos are long. it really shows you how in-depth the analysis is. it also goes to tell how much evidence is presented, the connections made, and the patience and effort put into interpreting the clues given by bbc
I really enjoy your videos and appreciate the hardwork you put into it!! 😊😄
I don't think Yves's cignet was burn but actually Vivi's deer, I think Yves choose between Vivi and Olivia and when Olivia saw it she decides to get rid off Vivi that's when Yves saw her "true intentions". I also think OEC is still searching for Yeojin, and maybe Olivia is searching for her too - I still want a Yeojin unit or solo :( - maybe Olivia isn't part of the last sub unit (?)
30-minute long theory videos and long ass essay-worthy comments are one of the many reasons why I stan loona and love this fandom so much. Thank you always posting these videos! Every time I watch them and go back to stream the MV, it's like I'm seeing it with new eyes. Let's continue theorizing and supporting our girls!
8:44 finally someone said this. i ALWAYS remember that one of jinsoul's teaser caption is "between blue and black." and when olivia's name in her teasers are darker in each pics. i know that she have a connection with jinsoul
However because Olivia has found herself, she has no option except to be part of Loonaverse or the loop though she's the antagonist, and that's Heejin job to make sure of that, is that why Heejin wasn't smiling when she met Olivia?
...tfw you absorb all this extremely massive amount of excitement you almost teared up.
You're always and always will be our noble President of Loonaverse. We ALL are proud of & depend lots on you, Pres.DaebakJjang! THANKS I GUESS?!?!?! 😭💞🎉
NP: Do any of y'all come to theory connecting to THESE masterpiece findings in this video, to:
1) mysterious theme in HeeJin's ViViD: remember the confusing French sentence in beginning? who's the all-black lady who ordered HeeJin around to clean the whole house? might it be Olivia? were they turning the whole universe from b/w to insanely colorful to "prepare for the Loonaverse (all 12) to gather & show-off their each specific color"? because both HeeJin/Olivia in Egoist were solely in b/w, because by that timestamp Loonaverse isn't "created" yet, only after ViViD began. also, "ViViD"...can't unsee ViVi there in the literal title, can you? why is AGAIN ViVi dragged in the story? is she actually the real creator of Loonaverse, since she appeared from beginning to end of Mobius Strip?
2.) another not-so-but-still-mysterious bracelet cured by GoWon (in presence of Chuu), then sent through a 🐈 for HyunJin: why did an Eden try to contact an 1/3? how then HyunJin-HeeJin did end up met in I'll "Be There"? afterwards, how did they both gather with HaSeul in "Carol" since it seemed they 3 agreed to gather in one meeting-point? then YeoJin showed up (but without any correlation to the first 3), before Vivi out of nowhere joined in the 3, together forming 1/3, then OEC storyline sensibly worked afterwards (ViVi met JinSoul; JinSoul "trapped" Choerry with cherry cake; somehow then led Choerry & KimLip met & noticed their odd eyes). Personally about YeoJin's "Kiss Later", I still see resemblance of Choerry in that creepy Frog dude in purple & hanging like bat. I FAILED to grasp any other hints so far, please feel free to add up with anything 😂 ALSO SORRY FOR THIS ONE EFFING LONG COMMENT, have g'day Loonatics! 😂
(continuation of no.1) correlated to better & specific explanation of *lilykim's theory video of ViViD*. French sentence began the MV, is literally translated to that "ordering HeeJin to clean". HeeJin sang lyrics of "dejavu", because she basically just looped after coming back from Olivia. There were seen 7 rabbits (including HeeJin) resemblanced 1/3's HeeJin-HyunJin-Haseul-YeoJin & OEC's JinSoul-KimLip-Choerry (also shown in colored ball lamp). The other 5--Eden's (Yves, Chuu, GoWon, blonde ViVi, Olivia) were gone in HeeJin's now-memory since Olivia burned 'em all in Egoist (Yves' cygnet, Eden uniforms, ViVi's casette a.k.a her memory/existence, & mattress which I presumed presenting "claw game world" that Yves used to play around a.k.a Yves-made new Eden).
Belladini Lovely um i think i've read somewhere that BBC only started hiring plot directors around Eclipse/Sonatine era... and they think that before those BBC is only trying to introduce the members without any intention on making theories and stuff so their (Heejin, Hyunjin, Haseul, & Yeojin) mv and songs are just resembles of their character and personalities maybe... so then the plot director had to make a plot that correlates to those previous non-theory MVs. i think that's why LOONA 1/3's MVs are more fun, careless and just free, having their b-tracks as MVs as well not like starting from Kim Lip where there's no b-track mv because they need to be very carefully everytime they make any mv because it has to add something to the plot/theories
Lydia Sekar I've came across that thought as well. But in the released Cinema Theory exclusive video, bracelet which is mysteriously appeared at HyunJin's door in AroundYou, is connected to GoWon (whose actually the one who made it). Also HaSeul's paper plane in LetMeIn, it appeared in OEC's GirlFront. Hmmm 🤔🤔🤔
Loona drives their fans *loonatic...*
Belladini Lovely ok so i looked it up on Loona's videography on their wikipedia page, and found that Digipedi actually worked in all of Loona's music videos except ViViD, My Sunday, My Melody, Everyday I Need You and Rain 51db :0 so it's actually pretty possible that they already planned the storyline from the start!
2:08 reminds me of kimlip's eclipse, where light is visible from the top of the building
10:39 didnt yves pick up yeojin's frog too (in new mv)? does this mean that instead of olivia hye, yeojin was chosen to join yves in her own Eden?
12:13 the room reminds me of 1/3's classroom, also the corridor where vivi plugged in her battery
You mentioned that the colour of DNA related to Vivi, but it also resembles Heejin's pink and Gowon's turquoise.
1/3 and Eden's meeting:
- Heejin met Olivia,
- Haseul met Chuu,
- Gowon gave bracelet to Hyunjin,
- Yves skated with Vivi
but only Heejin-Olivia and Yves-Vivi met directly. Chuu didnt even notice Haseul waking her up in Heart Attack, and Gowon just left the bracelet in front of Hyunjin's door (for whatever reason it is).
and what is Kim Lip's role in Loonaverse? So far she's the only OEC member who isnt featured in other subunit girls' mv, however her colour - red is shown obviously in Olivia's mv. There are also similarities between Eclipse and Egoist, where both girls are shown as counterparts of their respective animals. I read other theories that suggested Jinsoul hid Vivi from Olivia and turned her into android; then where could possibly Yeojin being hidden? Is it because Yves 'picked' Yeojin in new mv? Loonaverse's timeline is still an unsolved puzzle but if we tried to match 1/3 mvs altogether:
- Heejin, Hyunjin, Haseul met in The Carol
- Haseul met Chuu in Heart Attack
- Heejin Hyunjin in My Sunday, Haseul-Yeojin in My Melody
- Heejin Hyunjin Haseul Yeojin Vivi in EILY
- Heejin Hyunjin Haseul Vivi in L&L
My questions are: why didnt Heejin & Hyunjin found Yeojin in My Sunday/Melody, instead they met in EILY? This also reminds me of LCM, where Haseul was hanging out with Yeojin; only. Does it connected with My Melody? Idk. Why Yeojin has 2 different bedrooms in Kiss Later? Why both Yeojin and Gowon were being chased in their houses (in their respective mvs)? Why Heejin, Yeojin and Gowon's house look like some sort of mansion? Why Choerry helped Yves and Chuu to lure Gowon to reject Eden?
We know that Choerry can travel through time/space, by the help of cherries given by Jinsoul. But do the cherries only help her travelling or is it her forbidden fruit as well? (just like the Eden girls) Is that why Yves gave Choerry appples? Lastly, does Hyunjin able to travel as well? since she appeared in Girl Front, and the fact that Gowon 'found' her, plus she is the only member with 3 different MV versions of her single-
OMG This theory, I really love it and I find very interesting. To me have sense.
please never stop making loona theory videos i’m convinced you’re a bbc staff member this is amazing and so intricate i love you thank you so much
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I didn't even watch yet and I'm already shook
royalty of y'all's obsessive emotions over loonaverse
Okay, so, I'm gonna write my theories while I watch cause by the time I finish the video I'll forget everything.
I don't really think Olivia is in the machine. I think that she was on Eden, simple like that, and was dropped by Yves. By the things you said, I think Yves was manipulated at first, and later shows that she can manipulate too. Olivia Hye was the first to leave Eden. God (or whatever, really) manipulated Yves to throw Olivia out. Olivia is always looking up, trying to find Eden again (also, stairs. Lots of them). I really don't think Yves was trying to save Olivia, but she was hesitant. That's why she disobeys God on "new". She regret what happened on "Egoist". But doesn't look out for Olivia, rather, she go to the other members (Vivi and Choerry). Now, after a lot of thought, maybe Yves want to be God? But Olivia is angry and want nothing to do with that. Like God, Yves can see her true nature and doesn't like it. A wolf is a predator, and a swan, however, is not.
About JinSoul: I think she's the "evil" one here. The black part of her (I mean the secondary color) whispers in Olivia's ear. Then, blue JinSoul gets her earbud pulled on SCL. And for me, Olivia AND JinSoul are fallen angels.
For me, by the time she accepts herself, she's still looking for Eden (looking up), but not trying to get back where she was before. She wish things could be the same as they once were, but can't. I think she also accepts that. Also, red shows loss of innocence, and violence. Which is very fitting.
Anyways, I love your videos! I think they are part of a good debate. Thank you!
Vicky A. I also share some thoughts of your theory, to me Kim Lip, JinSoul and Choerry are the "evil" ones, none in any of their mv's they seem to be looking at the sky or something higher it's always down, like Kim lying on the floor, JinSoul introducing herself to the water and Choerry looking at the mirror down, the place they go seems darker, something about their vibe, I guess we will see 😄
Good point saying that maybe Jinsoul whispered evil things to Olivia. Come to think of it, blue betta fish can also be considered as a predaator
I have a theory
LOONA 1/3 might be angels and Heejin, being the first member that was introduced, being an Archangel (a superior angel)
LOONA OEC might be the girls from the purgotary that can see who will be falling from heaven (Jinsoul and Choerry) and is somehow connected to other worlds (Choerry)
LOONA Eden might be the fallen angels. I wouldn't say that they are demons but they are more rebellious than demonic. So let's call them dark angels. Olivia Hye being the "Lucifer" of the group.
*That's it! Officially Stanning loona!*
I saw a theory of Heejin's MV where they said that the 'dark' Heejin that appears in the beginning might be the 12th girl. That dark Heejin says in french '' I would like to clean. There are some tools there'' so they theorized that Heejin, being the first girl, is preparing the beginning of the mobius strip/loonaverse so that these are set in motion (there are also color references and she talks about the feeling of deja vu). I immediately thought abt your video. I think maybe, because Yves didn't accept her in her 'new' Eden, Olivia decided to create her own, but this world she's creating is none other that the right side of the mobius.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that by wanting to create a new Eden for herself, Olivia links the dark side with the light side of mobius and creates 1/3's world.
Goosebumps goosebumps everywhere. Thank you so much for this detailed theory. You made sense of many scenes that I couldn't figure out, so thank you again. I like the idea of a villain member and I have a feeling that Jinsoul could also be part of it. LOONA and the Loonaverse are totally something else and I'm so glad to be a LOONA stan
Heejin's animal is a bunny and Olivia's is a wolf. Hmmmm🤔 What if Heejin somehow helps Olivia, but Olivia (being a wolf in sheep's clothing) will trick her. Idk😂
I've been waiting for this since the mv was uploaded!😁 Thank you for this amazing video as always! 😍
I watched your video intensely for the last half an hour. I agree with you completely on your opinions and suggestions! There was also some stuff I didn't notice, like the connection to ViVi! Thank you so much for these videos! Keep it up!
And yes, I also teared up when first and last girl meet 😍 Really iconic shit, I'm absolutely sold for LOONA for the next 7 years.
Holy shit, I'm a new orbit and so I have only seen butterfly, egoist and love4eva, and oh my God y'all are so committed I'm happy to be a part of this fandom and I will try me best to one day be as great as a fan as you all
The only 30min video i will watch til the end without getting bored
The fallen Angel is obviously Olivia! The start of the MV represents this. She is the only one who had to climb back up. She is the one who did something to the original ViVi and when Yves picket her up she saw the truth and let her fall down.
Yves ate the forbiddn fruit after ViVi died to get the wisdom and knowledge to find out why ViVi died but with the wisdom came the rebellion and she wanted to create a new eden AND with it a new ViVi (the andoid)
In my mind the 12 girls represent the arc angels of the Christian methology were Lucifer was one of them in the beginning, Gods most loved one, the light bringer, the North Star. Olivia is Lucifer the fallen angel and HeeJin is Michael the first creation (remember Heejin was intented to be the leader of Loona, I still think she might be the leader of the whole group with Haseul being the leader of Loona 1/3, Kim Lip the leader of OEC and Yves the leader of "Eden, we will see)
The end symbolising HeeJin bringing the fallen Angel back into the group.
my guess the Eden promotion will be based in a time before the fall of Olivia explaining what she did and with Heejin bringin her back the start of Loona the full group can finally start.
Thank you for the hard work, Daebak Jjang. :) #PreachTheLOONAGospel
omg im so glad someone else connected vivi's appearance in the up&line teaser to the egoist MV!!! i KNEW something was up there! ive been theorizing about this 24/7 since it came out and i have some possibly ideas:
the red color we see throughout the video and the cans of "sun in the afternoon": when we see olivia turn and the screen turn red it seems as if the sun is engulfing her, and the lyrics to jinsouls rap mention that she ate [her], implying that olivia is the sun....which would be the complete opposite to the moon (loona as a whole)
i know its been mentioned by others in the comments but i know for a fact the changes in vivi's hair color have to imply something greater
i feel like egoist could slightly connect to haseul's single (just based on the egoist teaser i thought it would because of all the white feathers...) plus the idea of haseul "shooting" her other self in her single
olivia's animal is a wolf and in go won's MV we see her under a red cloak/cape and that immediately made me think of little red riding hood...
also i think olivia having two eyes that have some sort of light coming from them can mean maybe she gave her "power" to OEC since they only have 1 special eye? same thing with vivi two....
also based on the mobius strip theory maybe heejin is olivia's other self? in the photos blockberry released after the MV went live we see that its heejin holding olivia from behind!
theres probably a lot more that im forgetting but ive had so many different ideas since the video came out its hard to keep up with myself! haha
I think she's getting revenge on Yves so she decided to kill ViVi. I still think it's a deer Olivia burns up, not Yves' cygnet.
ORR...
It could be that she had already killed ViVi, thinking that Yves wouldn't know. But using the info from this video, Yves could tell one's true self and therefore Yves let go of her hand
THIS IS SO FASCINATING AND THE VIVI PART WAS MINDBLOWING OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO
I also noticed while watching the mv for the first time that the colors in this one scene were similair to Vivi's in Up & Line, but I'd have never dared to think it was such a huge connection wow you're genius
I have been refreshing your channel since it came out!!! Yay!!!!
Oh my gosh! I am so shook! Thank you so very much for blessing us with this video! I already knew much of Olivia's Story, but I wasn't quite sure about certain things and you made them crystal clear! Your explanations and provision of evidence to support your claims are what make you the best at theory crafting at this point. Your work, and you yourself are truly astonishing. The section of this video where you discussed the possible connection between Vivi and Olivia was absolutely mind boggling and makes so much sense! TT Once again, thank you so very much for this blessing and I look forward to seeing more of your work as we experience the LOONAVERSE together!
So the apple and cherry are the forbidden fruits for the Eden unit. Notice that after JinSoul ate the cheery she considers it as a sin. Olivia ate that apple that was actually in Yves possession. Yves is the creator / God of the Eden unit and she purposefully give those fruits (apple and cheery) to the members of Eden (JinSoul, Choerry, and Olivia) to be eaten by them. These are the exact same scenario as Adam and Eve. If Olivia is Eve, what about JinSoul? JinSoul is actually not Adam, but she's actually the Devil, the one who persuade Olivia to be the "fallen angel" (notice that she is whispering words into Olivia's right ear, suggesting the "seduction" of the Devil to Eve), which makes Choerry the Adam in this scenario.
Maroza Sulaiman, in a episode of Loona TV, Haseul and other members tease Go Won about she is going to be a boy.. named Adam! She believe them because they told her that Haseul and Yves in one opportunity wear men's clothes
Maroza Sulaiman, here's the link, what you think? Veeeeery strange coincidence
ruclips.net/video/RZ2B4Zoe6NU/видео.html
And Olivia's name has "Ivi" in it, which in certain pronunciation would sound like Eve
Yaaaas! I needed this😍 I love the last scene as well, when the fearless rabbit faces the lonely wolf. Can’t wait to see what’s to come for the eden subunit. What you pointed about vivi makes sense, didn’t even cross my mind. I see the light now. ❤️
I have a weird theory about the time of each unit like the 1/3 unit time is like night/morning, OEC the middle of the day, and Eden unit afternoon/end of the day. Idk why but it came suddenly into my mind. Like we see in Love&Live it's likely filmed in the morning like the sun has'nt fully showed and also Sonatine is filmed in night time. OEC's mvs are all filmed in day time and Eden unit's likely filmed in the end of the day idk like how at the end of egoist we see the sun setting and Heejin appears meaning that now it's her "time"
17:14 _IKR I STARTED TEARING UP TOO, LOONA IS FINALLY COMPLETE ♥️_
I really really love the way you analyze the MV's from Loona. It always feels like an academic analysis where everything is being structured properly as if you were analyzing classical literature or anything along those lines. The clear distinction between observations, analysis and interpretation makes your analysis videos so much more professional, smth which other RUclipsrs could look up to.
is it okay to stan them bc of their music and diverse theories? this is like a movie, wow, the amounts of thought and time put into this to come alive
This really helps me understanding the lore and loonaverse! Hope you will still continue uploading videos! 🤧❤️
OH my god I am getting chills. With every second into this video it all just starts to click. I love these type of things. I haven't felt this since all the theories that came out after Hwayangyeonhwa. Thank you for these 30 minutes of perfection
In the Up&Line video we saw Vivi in a sort of place that looks like the one where Olivia was walking in so that could be the first place she sees when she wakes up as an android (as far it's not my theory i saw it in some other theories vides but now it's gonna be mine). I think that Jinsoul woke her up that's why she appears in both of Olivia and Vivi MVs ( the killer and the killed), maybe Jinsoul is Olivia's friend but couldn't accepts her to kill someone so she took Vivi's body to "Eden" to resurect her and gave her one of her Odd Eye ( assuming that her and Olivia has two Odd Eyes, bc the red glowing eyes of Olivia when exits the room), bc that was the only reason why she could have came back to life ( and that's why Vivi's "odd eye" in Love&Live is blue). We know that Yves loves Vivi but maybe Olivia loves her too and try to copy her (like Chuu but more sersiously) but Yves didn't wanted to her in her unit but wanted Vivi and then she killed her (but Jinsoul saved her) but still didn't wanted to accept her and wanted to have Choerry with her but she sent her friend Jinsoul to take her in OEC first; finally Yves knew about Olivia's doing and dropped her definetly. Then Olivia got really mad and wanted to burn everything and ate her forbidden fruit to have enough strength (between all of Eden's members she's the strongest bc she's a wolf, all the other are just weak animals such swan/penguin/butterfly; in fact she's the strongest in the whole LoonA ot12). She starts to burn everything near her even her "hom" a.k.a the bed and goes for the rest... THE LOONAVERSE!!!
*THANK YOU, BLESS YOU!* I've been refreshing your page for days haha
As always your theories are on point, looking forward to May!
FluffyPanda same
Whoaaaaaaa... two things I’d like to add if you don’t mind!! Initially when I saw the first fallen angel blur, I thought it was Choerry (which makes sense because of the cherries and JinSoul being in what seems like a different world. [Maybe when the oec girls go in the other world is turns their color? Or maybe it was originally JinSoul’s world since she had access to it when to our knowledge no one else did]) (but looking at her face closer it does look more like JinSoul) and also I wanted to point out that the scene before the burning of the tape when Olivia is on the rooftop she does a dance that very heavily resembles Choerry’s dance in the other world! Maybe Olivia was the Choerry equivalent before we had Choerry? That would also explain why the tape was burned, because Olivia was burning all things that reminded her of her past/were related to her so maybe that tape had something with JinSoul and Olivia on it? Also!!! The light around the tape (like the shadows) are blue and red! JinSoul and (we can assume) Olivia! Maybe JinSoul, Yves, and Olivia were originally a unit and had a falling out? Thank you for the video!
I’m sorry this is so long lol ;;;;
I CANNOT WAIT FOR YOUR LOVE4EVA THEORY!!!
Another amazing video as always. You're doing a great service for this community, I can't thank you enough for creating these videos.
I also notice that at 4:50 where olivia was dancing in the parking lot looks alot like the parking lot CHOERRY was dancing in, in Sweet Crazy Love. I thought that tied along to the picture of the cherry we saw earlier :)
I love your video and agree with everything. Through it I was like "yes! Yes!" Because it matched my theory so much! One more thing I've noticed: I think it was Jinsoul who might have turned Vivi into an android (made by Olivia). We saw in Up&Line that Olivia was black&white. Heejin was too (now that she is with Olivia?) But also in Vivi&Jinsoul's version of EILY Jinsoul's view/parts are in b&w but when turning face-to-face is in colour. It looks to me that Vivi met Jinsoul and thought she was nice but Jinsoul had hidden motives. And we know the last one Vivi saw was Jinsoul. I.might be wrong though :)
Thank you! Im joining this fandom and seeing a lot of people talking about theories and i got kinda confused so this helped me a lot ^^
I always checked back to your channel every time and seeing this video pop up while in class, I was dying to watch it! I'm so thankful you showed the split second scenes because I was like "WAIT WAIT! WHAT DID THOSE FAST SCENES SHOWED?!" when I was watching the MV haha. They seriously paid a lot of attention to detail with LOONA and the community is amazing with so many theories, answers, and questions!
I have no words to describe how amazing this theory video was, thank you very much as always daebak jjang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe if Olivia Hye has the mission to "destroy everything" maybe that Heejin is here to stop her bc assuming she is the one who was sent first (yes bc she's wearing the same clothes as Olivia and Yves: white skirt/shirt and black thick heels) and was sent to create a whole new world so maybe Heejin has her Eden too and Olivia came to destroy her world and the end of "Egoist" but she knew she would come so she waited for her to prevent the destructions AND GONNA SEE A BIG FIGHT BETWEEN THEM ( bc between us the looks Heejin gave her wasn't welcoming)
unexpected theory and nobody pull this off so many work, every details make sense.This was a really interesting point of view with a lot of details. Thank you for your hardwork and being so active on Loona Video you are the prophet of Loonatics x')
30 minute theory huh hmm should get some popcorn
That was awesome!!! I'm so confised about how the story will bring the 12 together to form a group! I just cant think of a scenario where they all become one. And I think the Eden group might be a prequel to Yves leaving Eden so when they're all inside Eden together as friends!
Glad I'm not the only one who starts tearing up with the scene with Olivia and Heejin.
You make the absolute best videos of Loona on RUclips. Thank you for taking the time to share your theories with more fans! This is a wonderful fandom to be in and the best group to be a fan of. I'll be looking forward to more of your content! #StanLoona
oh my god, there were alot of things that i just discovered after watching this. Damn didn’t know that “Egoist” was so dark. LUV THIS VID❤️
DAEBAK JJANG I FREAKING LOVE YOU AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND HARDWORK FOR PUTTING THIS VIDEO TOGETHER I LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
suddenly my head hurts after seeing your video and all the complicated but amazing LOONAVERSE comments :"
I love your videos and I enjoyed every second! Thanks for the detailed analysis!
Now some of my thoughts:
I think Olivia hates the Eden Unit and doesn't want to be a part of it. As you said I think Vivi plays a big role. In New we can see how Yves uses two people to make her plan (to make all girls eat the forbidden fruit) happen. These two people are Choerry (she catches one apple and brings it to Gowon, that's why you can see her dropping the apple in One&Only MV) and Vivi who Yves hangs out with in her mv. Vivi is the only one outside of OEC who has an odd eye and I think that she plays a big role in the Loona verse. I think she's the connection to 1/3 while Choerry is the connection to OEC (she's the only one who's able to jump to different sides of the mobius stripe with her cherry). I think Yves has some kind of plan to unit Loona as a whole. She seems to know a lot more than others and she seems really powerful even though she's not the queen of Eden, that's Gowon. Maybe she's gonna be the future leader of the group. In New her goal was to save some members, I don't know why tho. She saves Chuu and Yeojin with the vending machine which is her last action in Eden. Then she leaves. Maybe something would have happened to these members if she wouldn't have saved them. She also thought about saving Olivia from the pit but she dropped her, maybe because she thought that Olivia is strong enough (as a wolf) to protect herself. She also chose Vivi to meet her in Eden. Maybe this was supposed to be Olivia but Yves changed her mind. I think the Eden girls left Olivia alone in Eden (that's why Olivias setting looks so similar to the setting of New) because they had to chose who they needed to help first. But they forgot that Olivias animal is a wolf and wolves need a pack. A lonely wolf is really aggressive and is going to die because a lonely wolf is not able to hunt big animals. A wolf can't be alone. That's why Olivia gets really angry about the situation, feels left alone from her "pack". She starts to hate the Eden girls, that's why she burns everything that belongs to them and doesn't want to join them anymore. But she also burns the cassette of Vivi! Also the stuffed animal that gets burned looks a lot more like a Deer to me than a swan! I think she hates Vivi for taking her place next to Yves. That destroys the plan of Yves because she didn't thought about this "bad" side of Olivia. Now it's Heejins turn. I think she tries to convince Olivia to join them. Not Eden but 1/3. She knows that Olivia hates eden but they still need her to bring all Loona members together. If Olivia continues to be an Egoist and mad about Yves, she's not gonna help the other 11 girls. I think Heejin tries to make the meeting of 12 girls happen with calming Olivia.
What do you guys thinks?
I Think Chuu, Gowon and Yves are YYY and Olivia is X because she's the only member that doesn't want to be in this unit. She bites the forbidden fruit to help herself out in the pit which turns her into an Egoist
Thanks for reading haha