Another part of what keeps these cases ignored, buried, or minimized is the fact that the very government departments that are charged with protecting children, (in particular) have their own scandalous complicit "skeletons" that they are protecting. They don't want the spotlight to rest near them or for changes to be implemented that make it more difficult for them to keep doing the awful things THEY are doing.
The first articles were written in the 1970’s. Many people have been smeared, dismissed, villainised and attacked for trying to draw attention to this horrific situation.
20 years, I would say a lot longer than that. Maybe as far back as the 70's. I remember white girls being attracted or pulled into another minority group in the Midlands and before they knew it they were out on the streets working as prostitutes........................ no abuse of indigenous girls has been going on for decades.
I'm fuming. I feel so sorry for those poor girls where not even this disgusting government is in their corner. Police are silencing people talking about this as we speak. I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in any political party in the UK. They are all the same.
I have to wonder where were the parents of these girls while all of this was going on? I grew up in the 70s and both my parents worked shifts. My mom checked called us during her breaks, and we had to answer the phone by the 2nd ring. No cell phones, so we had to be in the house when the call came. My parents had other family members drop in unannounced to check up on us. If any boys were coming by, especially a grown man, the neighbors would have told on us. I don't understand how something so horrific could happen and the parents are not aware, or at least suspicious.
@@tlw842 Hmmm, a girl who did speak up and her parents intervened, their son had both his legs broken. He was a teenager. Can you just imagine? This is mafia level where the intimidation must have been horrific. Another girl both her parents were disabled. The groomer buttered up the parents. The daughter was already on drugs due to dealing with her parents disability at such a young age. I get it. We think parents must be responsible and they should be but saying that when gangs and POLICE can use each other for power over these families what chance did they ever have? Besides do YOU know what your kids are doing every minute of every day? We hope to bring them up not trusting strangers, no drugs etc but then life intervenes and you never know.
@philmcraigreally found this interesting. Thank you. I knew about this story but learnt a lot more. Especially about male patriarchy still being alive and well.... unfortunately
Thank you for this conversation. It was informative and free of some of the super-charged emotions (understandable) that run through much of the coverage. This story is so wide in its depth and scope, the crimes have been going on for so long! It's hard to really plot the story out, and this episode helped a lot. Thanks for diving into the difficult stuff, Shauna and Phil.
Wow. Thank you both so much. I moved to Britain when this was in the news. I followed it in horror. Then it disappeared from the news. I thought it had been solved. I feel awful about letting it go.
What is happening to our once great country ,is sickening to my stomach ,i have never been more repulsed by a government ,than i am this one ,any help from powerful, people is most welcomed if it gets this country back on track ,😢
It’s not just this government although I’ve nothing good to say about them and never did or would vote for them but the Tory’s were in power and they did nothing either
It’s the working class who are tired of being lied to, treated like slaves, and ignored. Governments were voted in to look after the safety and security of ALL rightful citizens, not just for the wealthy elites. So you’re starting to see the USA, Canada, Britain, and Australia all being dissatisfied with their leaders who do nothing….pre-Revolutionary times in France? Hope not!
I’m all for civil discussion of the issues!! I used to love civil debate with college mates back in the 90’s where we could talk and disagree without being castigated. It resulted in some great discussions that even changed my mind!
Yes whatever happened to civil debate where each side brought their facts and argument and left it to the audience to decide for themselves? Miss those days…
I am American, but because of Tommy Robinson I knew about the graping gangs years ago. Years ago. Imagine the countless girls who could have been saved had people listened instead of villifying him.
Im affraid it wont starmer should have got on with it years ago,most of the towns were this has been going on have got big populations of asian muslims they are running councils ,children services ,the police and everyone are scared of riots the goverment are scared of losing their voters as they all vote liebour 😢@@thevintageread
Ethnicity was named and very loudly. What you may not have picked up on, because it wasn't as publicised at the time, is that large-scale enquiries revealed that grooming gangs are not specific to any one ethnicity, but of course that does not agitate the public, does it?
Great episode, Shauna & Phil! I’m surprised how those criminals live their lives like nothing’s happened while those girls will have their lives destroyed forever, and yet all that politicians care about is their image & political correctness.
I watched a clip of UK politicians discussing the gangs and the biggest (and only) GASP that came, mostly from women I might add, was when someone dared to mention the "R-ist" word! I've never been more disgusted in my life, given the details of the level of the abuse the speaker was communicating!
Shauna: Thank you so much for expanding your platform to discuss important issues. You have shown yourself to be capable of calling balls and strikes, so I'm pleased to see you inserting yourself in an international space bringing attention to issues that affect the status of women everywhere, for instance.
I'm glad somebody is talking about this in the UK deeply disturbing ... I actually found this refreshing, not the subject matter, but to get off of the Andrew/Megan saga
Fantastic broadcast/discussion, you two!!! I’m neither Australian nor British, but American … living in Europe. I find this discussion so interesting and important. My, how political parties have changed in recent years. Much needs to be re-weighed and cleaned up. Thank you for your fun, interesting, critical and creative podcast, Shauna. ♥
Thank you both for this very balanced and informative discussion - the best discussion I’ve heard. Please don’t apologise for raising a “heavy” topic. Your knowledge on this subject Phil is very illuminating and your Labour sympathies Phil don’t prevent from making very fair minded observations IMO. I agree with your observations about politicians being afraid to make difficult decisions and raise difficult issues for fear of accusations of racism. Also, I think some parts of the Labour Party have been more concerned about losing votes. My concern now is whether the issue will become a party political football as opposed to those of integrity working together for genuine progress to be made. As you said Phil no party is exempt from blame and also the role of the police has been woeful. Thanks for giving a shout out to Ann Cryer and others like her who raised this issue in the face of a lot of hostility
A very interesting exchange because despite the horrendous nature of the topic, it was discussed in a calm and respectful way. These young girls were regarded as expendable at best, deserving of it at worst. A society which does not care for its children is doomed.
Thank you, Shauna! An excellent show and you two are very good together. Very much look forward to all the episodes to come. Lovely to hear very intelligent and informative discussion.
Thank you Shauna and Paul! As a retired paediatric clinician, I can honestly say this crisis is a global crime against the poor, the helpless, the economically deprived and the developmentally challenged amongst our young, of all colours. Generational abuse has been known of in high places for Centuries. This is a crisis that has NOT been confronted anywhere because it's an 'inconvenient truth'! It's much more than 'negligence', it's rank dereliction of duty owing to a total loss of moral compass! What is it going to take? The retaliation of a victim by cutting their abuser's throats? Who then will be the 'criminal' hauled before the courts? I can pretty well guarantee it won't be the person desperately trying to protect their own lives and those of their vulnerable families!
Thank you Phil and Shauna. It's about time this appalling scandal was brought to the forefront of peoples attention. Buried the crimes for the sake of social stability. I can't help but think it boils down to, "these are badly reared, poor girls who 'go looking for it'", so they and their families are powerless and pursuing it is seen as not worth the potential trouble and paperwork.
I can understand the frustration of police and social workers when dealing with girls who seem to 'go looking for it' as you say, but how difficult is it to simply enforce the law? If they catch adult men with minors they should prosecute the men. Even if the minor says, 'Oh no - he's my boyfriend.' the man has still broken the law.
@@pollyparrot9447 I agree. Listening to some of the whistleblowers, it's clear the the government's priority was to keep a certain social demographic appeased and quiet.
Thank you, wonderful collaboration. Taking each issue as it comes like this is far superior than an off the shelf preordained opinion from one team and/or other. I find an accurate objective view of a sports match is easier to obtain with no emotional involvement to start with. It's not possible to have emotional detachment from this issue though. The age old problem of a power inbalance, and what some people, almost always males, will do because they can. Depending on how generally powerful or not the perpetrators are, and how powerful or not the victims are, something or nothing will be done about it. Large scale instances are often compounded with an horrific lesser of two evils trade off. Whether it's loyalty to individuals despite known crimes, fear of bad publicity for an institution, or what seems to be fear of worsening community relations.
Love this new collaboration with Phil, very informative, you always bring gravitas as well as humour to your shows, well done to you both, may it long continue.
A combination of protection of a privileged group, a favored policy that must not be denigrated, and the fact that the girls who were and still are being raped being in the wrong social class and sheer cowardice are what brought about this horror and thank goodness Elon Musk decided it was about time to expose this scandal. Please God let justice for these girls after all these years, be done. Addendum: Kier Starmer and the Labour Party have voted down any inquiry by 364 votes to 111.
Until we address the real issue that everyone is scared to mention these awful events will not stop Thank you Shauna and Phil for speaking out and discussing it and bringing this to light for others ❤ Those girls deserved better, much better 🇬🇧
So sad to see the way in which society is deteriorating. It’s very hard to be optimistic for the future when faced with such troubling issues. In 1990 I left the UK to live in the States and can’t believe what’s happening to a place of such lovely memories.
It's great that Elon Musk has used his huge platform to spotlight this issue, but he does seem to flit from one fad to another. The UK Government and Police are probably biding their time until he loses interest.
Judging by his past statements and actions, it’s quite possible Elon Musk is more interested in causing a problem for the liberals than in justice for the victims. His backing of Trump, supporting the far right political party in Germany and stating the blacks of South Africa were openly pushing for genocide of whites is enough to make me doubt his motives. His claiming Keir Starmer was "deeply complicit in the mass rapes in exchange for votes” was way over the top.
This is such a harrowing & distressing situation in the UK & this was covered very honestly by both of you & shows exactly how the mainstream media should be doing it. Those poor poor girls, their families, including their children will have generations of healing to deal with. The people in positions of authority who were involved in this should all be held to account as they are too busy trying to save their own necks & make excuses by using dismissive language & an inability to accept that they have completely failed at their chosen careers. Every single one of them involved should lose their jobs. It is nothing but sickening & reflects extremely badly on every single MP who decided to not vote for a national enquiry last night. Those doing the 'grooming' need to be dealt with as a matter of urgency by our police, judicial system & deported or imprisoned immediately. Thank you for this episode. I will tune into your next one.
Good evening. I am totally disgusted with our government. Also how the voted not to hold an inquiry. What are they trying to hide. Especially our Safety Minister and the prime minister. Everyone who helped these gangs continue for so long. Councils police government anyone and everyone who enabled this should face dire consequences
The fact that Starmer told Labour MP's how to vote and they did it proves that you are no longer a democracy. MP's are supposed to represent their constituents. Starmer is a dictator.
It was parliament that voted against another enquiry, not just those in government. There are plenty of politicians from both sides who don't want the lid lifted incase it blows up in their faces.what the victims need is what women have been shouting for for the last century deeds not words , policies and recommendations that could have been actions over 2 years ago at the conclusion of the previous enquiry are still to be implemented.
Thank you Shauna and Phil. The discussion was so informative. From my research whistleblowers, particularly women face more retaliation than their male counterparts. The negativity towards a whistleblower who speaks out, holds many sexual abuse victims within their own prison for the rest of their lives. As they know they will not be believed. Or shunned by the community. They are called troublemakers and traitors and in some cases they are told "You should be over that by now." "Why bring the past up?" Another common one is "They are in it for the money. " I was one of those. The fear of being labeled a whistleblower was foremost in my mind when I came forward on the sexual abuse cover ups by the Catholic Church in Newcastle. So much so when the Inspector leading the Enquiry was being interviewed by Tony Jones on ABC Dateline, Jones "labelled" me a "whistleblower" I was more worried about being branded this than giving evidence in Court at the NSW Special Enquiry in Newcastle. I also knew I would be labelled a traitor but the Church community. With my evidence the findings were that I was the credible witness and not the men in cassocks! Of course! Thankfully international media is now the voice for those who had/have no voice. Powerful people can no longer hide their appalling behavior behind their "high walls of privilege."
Sorry Phil. Typo! It was Lateline! Actually the Detective (Fox) who was interviewed by Jones had not be given permission by the Strike Force (Lantle) to give the interview. (He was taken off the Enquiry for various reasons.) One of the reasons was that he gave my police statement to a Journalist without my permission and without the knowledge of the Police Force. Since the Enquiry finished in 2013 the head of the Strike Force, his wife and I catch up for lunch every few months! I am only known as Witness AJ so it was a big step to out myself on this podcast! Though I had no choice with it being my subscriber name!
No one who is convicted of a crime in the UK should be able to use UK law to avoid being deported. If necessary the UK law should be changed to state that the right to the benefits and protections afforded by UK are forfeited by anyone of dual nationality committing a crime. No arguments- out, and UK nationality is automatically lost too. This would protect the law abiding majority of the population.
This was amazing. This is a worldwide problem. The more it is discussed openly, the more likely it will be properly addressed...the sooner the better. Thank you both for shining a light...here's hoping more do. Cheers and sip from Canada 🇨🇦
Thank you Shauna and Phil for raising a difficult subject. I’ve never known such a terrible government like this one… it’s like an asylum run by lunatics.
Really? You didn't know the Tory governments of the last 14 years who drove the country into the ground with their austerity, corruption and two clown PMs, Johnson & Truss? Yeah this government which has been there for only 6 months is the most terrible ever.
@@williamdfr1715tories were terrible I agree but they did have Ukraine and Covid to deal with. Starmer seems to have self destruct in his code I’m sorry to say having voted for him
@philmcraig You fail to mention Brexit which they also had to deal with having brought it on themselves. And they were there for fourteen years, Covid only came five years ago, so your argument doesn't stand
Thank you both! It’s such a relief and interesting to listen to you speak about world affairs that affect us all. Bringing to light deeply hidden secrets of our governments is important. I’m so glad I can come to this channel and NOT hear about those two in California. I’m just so weary hearing about them and am clicking less and less on anything with their names on it. Thank you for offering us something more. ❤
I think it is time that the people who neglected their duty of care were made to answer our questions and pay the consequences. This has made me think and wonder what happened to Charlene Downes. A vulnerable 14 year old girl who went missing in Blackpool in 2003.
What has happened with the post office scandal. It’s hard to compare degrees of horrible but all those postal workers whose lives were ruined when they were too old to move on to say nothing of the ones who committed suicide put this one pretty high on the list. Did those responsible ever suffer some consequences?
@@Romdormeryep because she was a Tory so therefore the BBC and other media sources actually covered it. The BBC won't make a movie about this atrocity because it doesn't fit the narrative.
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. You two are what the world needs and lacks - good sense, clear heads, even handedness and lots and lots of empathy. You have made an old lady very happy x
Really really appreciate that you are having this discussion, I’m also deeply embarrassed by what’s gone on in my country and the extent of the cover up. I’d also add that in all the months I’ve followed you I have never not received a notification from You Tube when you have posted a video. I did NOT receive one for this video where you are discussing what is a very sensitive subject here in the UK , it’s maybe just a coincidence but it’s a suspicious coincidence imho.
She is certainly worth listening to , many of the perpetrators feel they are doing no wrong and are justified in doing it , the victims have no worth at all in their eyes .
Did you see “Three Girls” DC Margaret Oliver played by Lesley Sharp released in 2017. Investigation is a long time coming as BBC One released in 2017. And of course Margaret Oliver was made redundant. Nothing got done
Great pod cast Shauna & Phil. I had no idea about the "grooming gangs" as such until Elon Musk Tweets recently. However, I stumbled on Emma Kenny's True Crime You Tube channel and listened to her deep dive into Gisele Pelicot bravery. ... On a side note I think Gisele Pelicot is one of the bravest women advocates of our time. Her courage and dignity is just so humbling to me. ~ "Shame must change sides. " Gisele Pelicot, 2024 But back to Emma Kenny and her true crime pod cast deep dives. I was SHOCKED, over and over at how many r@pe cases were ignored and / or dropped by the UK CDP for (in my opinion) misogynistic and / or basically NO apparent reason. Many of these perpetrators went on to murder. It is all so beyond my comprehension how this could possibly happen in this day and age. Emma Kenny has also written a book "The Serial Killer Next Door." I think Emma's perspective on this would certainly be worth listening to. Again: "Shame must change sides". ~ Gisele Pelicot. And my very sincere apologies to every victim, I'm so sorry that we as a society have let you down. I wish for you hope, peace and a bright future. 🥹🙏🏼🪻🌟🇦🇺
I was always proud of our legal system and I felt if you did wrong you would have to answer for it. I was brought up to think that the police were honest and true. Also social workers although they had a different slant on things, were basically helpful to the needy. Now I am ashamed of them all, and I have no faith in any of them. Thank you for highlighting and talking about this problem.
Great discussion, and probably one of the few places we will see this issue discussed in Australia. It's sad that in the UK it seems that it is only GB News, RUclips and Elon Musk keeping this topic alive in the public interest - Fleet Street would prefer to ignore it.
Love this! I dread anything political in the Royal sphere as there is little to no attempt at balance. I so appreciate your approach and commitment to seeing and respresenting both sides.
I absolutely agree that information about race or ethnic background is important in the effort to protect children. I live in Mexico. I have reason to believe that people tend to look the other way if they know about child rape on the grounds that it's a private family matter. The same goes for domestic violence. There is a danger that knowledge of the ethnicity of perpetrators could inflame prejudice and racism among the ignorant, but in my view, it is more important to protect children. A full and independent public inquiry, with broad powers, is certainly called for.
I loved this chat very calm and factual, the best I’ve seen actually!! I would love to know what Phil thinks of the mainstream media, on television 🤔 I get the impression they are trying to ignore it but they know they have to report it. There seems to be a lot of discussion and outrage about Elon Musk rather than focusing on the victims. Even politicians like Ed Davey are more focused on Elon Musk. I’m absolutely horrified they won’t do a review!
The review is coming and the fact that ambitious Labour mayor Ed Burnham endorsed one today is proof of that. 😊 thanks for watching Jackie and ye sim disappointed at most MSM coverage of this story apart from The Times
This was spectacularly well done, so impressed and thankful for this. You are both so engaging, well researched & knowledgeable, you present so well..... Definitely unspun this one.
There is a video by Black Belt Barrister where he shows a tweet that Jess Phillips made in 2015 calling a fellow MP the same thing that Elon Musk called her. I think a lot of MPs are finding out how much easier it is to be in opposition!! Great show. I'm looking forward to future shows with the 2 of you xx
What a great discussion 👏👏👏👏!!! Oh - my heart breaks for those women. And can you imagine the additional layers of betrayal, ON TOP, when relatives are involved!!!!!
I wonder why these crimes, and others, where women are targeted, are always swept under the carpet. Thank goodness people, including the real men in society, are standing up and speaking out loudl against this now.
I think of all of s.a. and trafficking going on over decades that has been overlooked or not considered as serious of a crime because it was young girls or young boys being victimized, especially those of color and immigrant women and children. It’s happening all over the world. I pray this gets the attention it deserves and the abusers will be prosecuted.
@philmcraigthank you for your attention and reporting on this important issue. I have a sister who works in Tacoma, Washington with victims in her law enforcement department.
Very late to watch but so pleased more and more about this dreadful problem being made public, well done both of you. I feel the vulnerable people in Britain are let down by the police, government and the religious orders. Shame on them.
Great episode. I think the two of you will be an excellent pair for this new project. There was something arresting which Phil said. It was about the girls being "not middle class" and hence vulnerable. That people didn't care because they saw them as less valuable to society. And I realized that I was guilty of the same type of thinking. I saw an episode of Andrew Gold's "Heretics" with Maggie Oliver as guest. With many of the stories being "Oh my, how do you deal with this situation?" I wanted to shout out, "You should have picked a better father!" Not helpful, to say the least. Then realizing that many came from single parent families, or parents who were rarely home because they were out working, or impossible extended family situations. And then I remembered how frustrated I felt that so many people here were so outraged by what they thought were an enormous number of migrant children who were missing and being sexually exploited or having their organs stolen before being buried in the desert. And the people who were outraged were the people who most wanted to clamp down on immigration here in the US. I still don't understand their thinking. I have no way of knowing if this is true or how many victims there might be. But there are many people who are very upset about it. And they think that Biden & the other Democrats knew all about it and were just covering it up. And that Hollywood was somehow involved, at least in sex trafficking. It goes on and on. So, while the situation here is very different in its details, there is an underlying pattern and societal upset and concern that ring true. You guys could make it your mission to try and get to a better understanding of just what and why people all over the Five Eyes have become so divided and angry with each other. Any contribution to elucidating that morass would be a good thing. And how do we start talking sanely, with calm and compassion, as that would send out at least a few rays of light into the world. Female, born in 1953, USA
So glad you both found each other - Ioved this first episode though the topic is grim and shocking but these things need to be given light to expose the rot and where we've gone wrong as a society/institutions - we certainly need the un-spin as the average joe (me included) is not fully aware of what is going on or why things have been allowed to go on - more power to your elbows. Watching with interest.
Keep on deep diving my fab duo ❤❤ When I heard you discussing MAGGIE OLIVER I was thrilled. She has been trying for 2 decades to bring this to light! Well done Phil for including lots of facts❤ Bravo Shauna for doing your research as always!!! ADORE YOUR VIBE TOGETHER🎉 THANK YOU! XX
Totally agree Shauna, there's too much of if you think this, you're right, far right or fascist and if you think that, you're left, far left or bloody communist. We need the practical and logical centre. There's right and wrong on both sides. Great chat, thanks!
Race IS absolutely relevant in this case - I would urge you to listen to RAJA MAIH, a Pakistani Muslim from Oldham, who has been an activist against this horror for years. He tells us of the massive scale of this crime taking place all over Pakistan and how it has been imported into other countries. He also exposes the authorities for incompetence and, in some cases, criminal negligence in handling the victims' stories. I too voted Labour in the past but now see this Party as being at the forefront of this scandal.
Great show despite the subject matter. This issue in UK was very obviously a known issue going back years. I remember a storyline in one of the Brit’s police shows about a young girl with an exotic boyfriend who she thought loved her and was then passed around to all of his friends. The outcome in the storyline was very different of course, and justice was done. I can’t remember the series, it may have been the Bill or Frost so quite a long time ago.
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Another part of what keeps these cases ignored, buried, or minimized is the fact that the very government departments that are charged with protecting children, (in particular) have their own scandalous complicit "skeletons" that they are protecting.
They don't want the spotlight to rest near them or for changes to be implemented that make it more difficult for them to keep doing the awful things THEY are doing.
Very good and fair point
Very confronting point but realistic I think.
So impressed that you both are speaking so forcefully on this topic.
Many thanks Carol
Shauna you are such a breath of fresh air! Your guests all meld so well with your personality!
Melding here! 😊
Thanks! Am I the melder or the meldee 😂
@@thevintageread I don't know but every guest you invite seems so comfortable and engaging- melder or meldee whatever you are works so well!!!!❣
The underlying problem with these immigrants is their worldview.
WOW, this has been going on for twenty years!!!😮 Thank you for talking about this very serious matter.
I have heard that it goes all the way back to the 70's.
The first articles were written in the 1970’s. Many people have been smeared, dismissed, villainised and attacked for trying to draw attention to this horrific situation.
@@JFra127 and are in this video again.
20 years, I would say a lot longer than that. Maybe as far back as the 70's. I remember white girls being attracted or pulled into another minority group in the Midlands and before they knew it they were out on the streets working as prostitutes........................ no abuse of indigenous girls has been going on for decades.
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It has been going on since the beginning of time . . .
I'm fuming. I feel so sorry for those poor girls where not even this disgusting government is in their corner. Police are silencing people talking about this as we speak. I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in any political party in the UK. They are all the same.
Let’s hope things turn around and real action is taken!
@@thevintageread well let’s get this bill passed so that real action can be taken. Don’t insist on a panther enquiry to delay action YET again.
This is a world-wide problem, unfortunately.
I have to wonder where were the parents of these girls while all of this was going on? I grew up in the 70s and both my parents worked shifts. My mom checked called us during her breaks, and we had to answer the phone by the 2nd ring. No cell phones, so we had to be in the house when the call came. My parents had other family members drop in unannounced to check up on us. If any boys were coming by, especially a grown man, the neighbors would have told on us. I don't understand how something so horrific could happen and the parents are not aware, or at least suspicious.
@@tlw842 Hmmm, a girl who did speak up and her parents intervened, their son had both his legs broken. He was a teenager. Can you just imagine? This is mafia level where the intimidation must have been horrific. Another girl both her parents were disabled. The groomer buttered up the parents. The daughter was already on drugs due to dealing with her parents disability at such a young age. I get it. We think parents must be responsible and they should be but saying that when gangs and POLICE can use each other for power over these families what chance did they ever have? Besides do YOU know what your kids are doing every minute of every day? We hope to bring them up not trusting strangers, no drugs etc but then life intervenes and you never know.
Thank you, Shauna and Phil. A great first episode - I am looking forward to this series.
😊thanks so much
You two are a match made in RUclips heaven
Thank you so much! 🙌
@philmcraigreally found this interesting. Thank you. I knew about this story but learnt a lot more. Especially about male patriarchy still being alive and well.... unfortunately
Starmer needs to go .
I’m critical but he’s only had 6 months and I’m enough of an old Labour man to hope he gets this and other things right
@philmcraigdon't hold your breath 😂two-tier Starmer will do nowt
@@Resgerr I’m a natural optimist but it’s hard sometimes
Thank you for this conversation. It was informative and free of some of the super-charged emotions (understandable) that run through much of the coverage. This story is so wide in its depth and scope, the crimes have been going on for so long! It's hard to really plot the story out, and this episode helped a lot. Thanks for diving into the difficult stuff, Shauna and Phil.
Our pleasure and thanks for joining us
Thank you for watching & sharing your thoughts. So glad you found it informative as that is our aim. 😊🙌
Wow. Thank you both so much. I moved to Britain when this was in the news. I followed it in horror. Then it disappeared from the news. I thought it had been solved. I feel awful about letting it go.
Thanks so much Katy 😊
What is happening to our once great country ,is sickening to my stomach ,i have never been more repulsed by a government ,than i am this one ,any help from powerful, people is most welcomed if it gets this country back on track ,😢
That is ow I feel about Canada right now
@eveanneriggs4231 bless you darling at least your prime minister resigned ,I hope your next one is much much better , sending you lots of love ❤️
It’s not just this government although I’ve nothing good to say about them and never did or would vote for them but the Tory’s were in power and they did nothing either
It’s the working class who are tired of being lied to, treated like slaves, and ignored. Governments were voted in to look after the safety and security of ALL rightful citizens, not just for the wealthy elites. So you’re starting to see the USA, Canada, Britain, and Australia all being dissatisfied with their leaders who do nothing….pre-Revolutionary times in France? Hope not!
@Space_cadet-Lisa true 🥺
I’m all for civil discussion of the issues!! I used to love civil debate with college mates back in the 90’s where we could talk and disagree without being castigated. It resulted in some great discussions that even changed my mind!
That’s fantastic! Welcome aboard.
Yes whatever happened to civil debate where each side brought their facts and argument and left it to the audience to decide for themselves? Miss those days…
Shauna you are a treasure.
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I am American, but because of Tommy Robinson I knew about the graping gangs years ago. Years ago. Imagine the countless girls who could have been saved had people listened instead of villifying him.
Fair point !
Thank you ..m'y comment on him has been deleted
Clearly scapegoating him is easier and cheaper.
Thank you Shauna and Phil! Great conversation. This fear we have of naming a ethnicity is causing harm all around.❤
Thank you Claire, yes, more open and honest discussion will lead to solutions, hopefully.
Im affraid it wont starmer should have got on with it years ago,most of the towns were this has been going on have got big populations of asian muslims they are running councils ,children services ,the police and everyone are scared of riots the goverment are scared of losing their voters as they all vote liebour 😢@@thevintageread
Ethnicity was named and very loudly. What you may not have picked up on, because it wasn't as publicised at the time, is that large-scale enquiries revealed that grooming gangs are not specific to any one ethnicity, but of course that does not agitate the public, does it?
@thevintageread
More “open and honest” discussions-in the government?!? Not seeing much of that in any government lately.
Great episode, Shauna & Phil! I’m surprised how those criminals live their lives like nothing’s happened while those girls will have their lives destroyed forever, and yet all that politicians care about is their image & political correctness.
The British Labour Party cares about votes too - the demographic involved in the grooming gangs is a powerful voting block for Labour.
I watched a clip of UK politicians discussing the gangs and the biggest (and only) GASP that came, mostly from women I might add, was when someone dared to mention the "R-ist" word! I've never been more disgusted in my life, given the details of the level of the abuse the speaker was communicating!
Astounding isn’t it!
Shauna and Phil you are a great team! Looking forward to the future pod casts! Very informative!
Thanks so much Jane 😊
Thank you! 🙌
Shauna: Thank you so much for expanding your platform to discuss important issues. You have shown yourself to be capable of calling balls and strikes, so I'm pleased to see you inserting yourself in an international space bringing attention to issues that affect the status of women everywhere, for instance.
Agreed! And thanks for joining us Yolanda😊
My two favourite people … most enjoyable, enlightening and thought provoking.
Linda, South Africa
Many thanks Linda 😊
I'm glad somebody is talking about this in the UK deeply disturbing ...
I actually found this refreshing, not the subject matter, but to get off of the Andrew/Megan saga
If only our politicians and authorities were capable of having such an articulate and honest conversation as this
That’s so lovely to read. thanks 😊
Fantastic broadcast/discussion, you two!!! I’m neither Australian nor British, but American … living in Europe. I find this discussion so interesting and important. My, how political parties have changed in recent years. Much needs to be re-weighed and cleaned up. Thank you for your fun, interesting, critical and creative podcast, Shauna. ♥
What a lovely comment and that’s exactly what we’re trying to do here 😊
Thank you! That’s very encouraging 😊
Brilliant conversation, such a balanced view
Thanks so much Lorraine - that’s our intention! 😊
Thank you both for this very balanced and informative discussion - the best discussion I’ve heard. Please don’t apologise for raising a “heavy” topic. Your knowledge on this subject Phil is very illuminating and your Labour sympathies Phil don’t prevent from making very fair minded observations IMO.
I agree with your observations about politicians being afraid to make difficult decisions and raise difficult issues for fear of accusations of racism. Also, I think some parts of the Labour Party have been more concerned about losing votes. My concern now is whether the issue will become a party political football as opposed to those of integrity working together for genuine progress to be made. As you said Phil no party is exempt from blame and also the role of the police has been woeful.
Thanks for giving a shout out to Ann Cryer and others like her who raised this issue in the face of a lot of hostility
What a lovely response John, that really made my day. Thanks so much for joining Shauna and me😊
A very interesting exchange because despite the horrendous nature of the topic, it was discussed in a calm and respectful way.
These young girls were regarded as expendable at best, deserving of it at worst. A society which does not care for its children is doomed.
That’s what we’re trying to do here Elizabeth and thanks so much for checking us out 😊
Thank you, Shauna! An excellent show and you two are very good together. Very much look forward to all the episodes to come. Lovely to hear very intelligent and informative discussion.
Thanks so much for joining us Lyn 😊
Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed the discussion.
Thank you Shauna and Paul! As a retired paediatric clinician, I can honestly say this crisis is a global crime against the poor, the helpless, the economically deprived and the developmentally challenged amongst our young, of all colours. Generational abuse has been known of in high places for Centuries. This is a crisis that has NOT been confronted anywhere because it's an 'inconvenient truth'! It's much more than 'negligence', it's rank dereliction of duty owing to a total loss of moral compass! What is it going to take? The retaliation of a victim by cutting their abuser's throats? Who then will be the 'criminal' hauled before the courts? I can pretty well guarantee it won't be the person desperately trying to protect their own lives and those of their vulnerable families!
Sad but probably true 😢 Thanks for joining us
Very well stated.
Thank you Phil and Shauna. It's about time this appalling scandal was brought to the forefront of peoples attention. Buried the crimes for the sake of social stability.
I can't help but think it boils down to, "these are badly reared, poor girls who 'go looking for it'", so they and their families are powerless and pursuing it is seen as not worth the potential trouble and paperwork.
I can understand the frustration of police and social workers when dealing with girls who seem to 'go looking for it' as you say, but how difficult is it to simply enforce the law? If they catch adult men with minors they should prosecute the men. Even if the minor says, 'Oh no - he's my boyfriend.' the man has still broken the law.
A lot of truth in that Jan
@@pollyparrot9447 I agree. Listening to some of the whistleblowers, it's clear the the government's priority was to keep a certain social demographic appeased and quiet.
Thank you, wonderful collaboration. Taking each issue as it comes like this is far superior than an off the shelf preordained opinion from one team and/or other. I find an accurate objective view of a sports match is easier to obtain with no emotional involvement to start with.
It's not possible to have emotional detachment from this issue though. The age old problem of a power inbalance, and what some people, almost always males, will do because they can.
Depending on how generally powerful or not the perpetrators are, and how powerful or not the victims are, something or nothing will be done about it.
Large scale instances are often compounded with an horrific lesser of two evils trade off. Whether it's loyalty to individuals despite known crimes, fear of bad publicity for an institution, or what seems to be fear of worsening community relations.
Very well said Jim and great to see you on here again 😊
Love this new collaboration with Phil, very informative, you always bring gravitas as well as humour to your shows, well done to you both, may it long continue.
More to come! Thank you 🙏
Many thanks Jacqueline 😊
Thank you Shauna and Phil! Great broadcast
Much appreciated Nora and thanks for joining us today 😊
A combination of protection of a privileged group, a favored policy that must not be denigrated, and the fact that the girls who were and still are being raped being in the wrong social class and sheer cowardice are what brought about this horror and thank goodness Elon Musk decided it was about time to expose this scandal. Please God let justice for these girls after all these years, be done. Addendum: Kier Starmer and the Labour Party have voted down any inquiry by 364 votes to 111.
I don’t think he exposed it, but he definitely shone a very large world-wide spotlight on it, which was needed. I hope that will benefit the victims.
@@thevintageread True. Brave and honest people have been trying to do something about this for 25 years.
Until we address the real issue that everyone is scared to mention these awful events will not stop
Thank you Shauna and Phil for speaking out and discussing it and bringing this to light for others ❤
Those girls deserved better, much better 🇬🇧
Couldn’t agree more Lisa
Agree! Thank you.
So sad to see the way in which society is deteriorating. It’s very hard to be optimistic for the future when faced with such troubling issues. In 1990 I left the UK to live in the States and can’t believe what’s happening to a place of such lovely memories.
Thank you Shauna and Phil..Thank God for Elon Musk..Those girls need a voice. The UK Government and Police have let them down sadly
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It's great that Elon Musk has used his huge platform to spotlight this issue, but he does seem to flit from one fad to another. The UK Government and Police are probably biding their time until he loses interest.
I agree Joanne and thanks so much for watching and commenting😊
Judging by his past statements and actions, it’s quite possible Elon Musk is more interested in causing a problem for the liberals than in justice for the victims. His backing of Trump, supporting the far right political party in Germany and stating the blacks of South Africa were openly pushing for genocide of whites is enough to make me doubt his motives. His claiming Keir Starmer was "deeply complicit in the mass rapes in exchange for votes” was way over the top.
Great to get both your perspectives, trusted sources
Thanks for joining us Amanda 😊
Appreciate that Amanda
How lovely to see you both chatting !!!
Thanks for watching!
This is such a harrowing & distressing situation in the UK & this was covered very honestly by both of you & shows exactly how the mainstream media should be doing it. Those poor poor girls, their families, including their children will have generations of healing to deal with. The people in positions of authority who were involved in this should all be held to account as they are too busy trying to save their own necks & make excuses by using dismissive language & an inability to accept that they have completely failed at their chosen careers. Every single one of them involved should lose their jobs. It is nothing but sickening & reflects extremely badly on every single MP who decided to not vote for a national enquiry last night. Those doing the 'grooming' need to be dealt with as a matter of urgency by our police, judicial system & deported or imprisoned immediately.
Thank you for this episode. I will tune into your next one.
That’s a really encouraging response- thanks so much for giving us a chance! 😊
Agree 💯
Insightful podcast Shauna. We can only hope that there are people willing to do the right thing to stop this cycle of abuse and harm
You guys are amazing. Great discussion. Well done. More, more, more. ❤
Thanks! We’re just getting started! 😊
Many thanks Helen! more coming soon … 🌏😵💫🇬🇧🇦🇺
Good evening. I am totally disgusted with our government. Also how the voted not to hold an inquiry. What are they trying to hide. Especially our Safety Minister and the prime minister. Everyone who helped these gangs continue for so long. Councils police government anyone and everyone who enabled this should face dire consequences
The fact that Starmer told Labour MP's how to vote and they did it proves that you are no longer a democracy. MP's are supposed to represent their constituents. Starmer is a dictator.
It was parliament that voted against another enquiry, not just those in government. There are plenty of politicians from both sides who don't want the lid lifted incase it blows up in their faces.what the victims need is what women have been shouting for for the last century deeds not words , policies and recommendations that could have been actions over 2 years ago at the conclusion of the previous enquiry are still to be implemented.
Thank you Shauna and Phil. The discussion was so informative. From my research whistleblowers, particularly women face more retaliation than their male counterparts. The negativity towards a whistleblower who speaks out, holds many sexual abuse victims within their own prison for the rest of their lives. As they know they will not be believed. Or shunned by the community. They are called troublemakers and traitors and in some cases they are told "You should be over that by now." "Why bring the past up?" Another common one is "They are in it for the money. " I was one of those. The fear of being labeled a whistleblower was foremost in my mind when I came forward on the sexual abuse cover ups by the Catholic Church in Newcastle. So much so when the Inspector leading the Enquiry was being interviewed by Tony Jones on ABC Dateline, Jones "labelled" me a "whistleblower" I was more worried about being branded this than giving evidence in Court at the NSW Special Enquiry in Newcastle. I also knew I would be labelled a traitor but the Church community. With my evidence the findings were that I was the credible witness and not the men in cassocks! Of course! Thankfully international media is now the voice for those who had/have no voice. Powerful people can no longer hide their appalling behavior behind their "high walls of privilege."
It's clear from this that you were extremely credible Ann - and very brave too. Good on You
Sorry Phil. Typo! It was Lateline! Actually the Detective (Fox) who was interviewed by Jones had not be given permission by the Strike Force (Lantle) to give the interview. (He was taken off the Enquiry for various reasons.) One of the reasons was that he gave my police statement to a Journalist without my permission and without the knowledge of the Police Force. Since the Enquiry finished in 2013 the head of the Strike Force, his wife and I catch up for lunch every few months! I am only known as Witness AJ so it was a big step to out myself on this podcast! Though I had no choice with it being my subscriber name!
@@AnnCarmody Fascinating, and great that you are still in touch with those people Ann
Congrats on this new, structured collab! It was great! Looking forward to more! 👏👏👏😊
Me too and thanks for watching 😊
Yay! Thank you!
Thank you both. Great listening
Thanks for listening
No one who is convicted of a crime in the UK should be able to use UK law to avoid being deported. If necessary the UK law should be changed to state that the right to the benefits and protections afforded by UK are forfeited by anyone of dual nationality committing a crime. No arguments- out, and UK nationality is automatically lost too. This would protect the law abiding majority of the population.
Very sensible Karin and thanks for joining us
Agree 💯
This was amazing. This is a worldwide problem. The more it is discussed openly, the more likely it will be properly addressed...the sooner the better. Thank you both for shining a light...here's hoping more do. Cheers and sip from Canada 🇨🇦
Thank you Susan we’ve both been so encouraged by the reaction on here - so far! 😊
Thank you Shauna and Phil for raising a difficult subject. I’ve never known such a terrible government like this one… it’s like an asylum run by lunatics.
Really? You didn't know the Tory governments of the last 14 years who drove the country into the ground with their austerity, corruption and two clown PMs, Johnson & Truss? Yeah this government which has been there for only 6 months is the most terrible ever.
@@williamdfr1715tories were terrible I agree but they did have Ukraine and Covid to deal with. Starmer seems to have self destruct in his code I’m sorry to say having voted for him
@philmcraig You fail to mention Brexit which they also had to deal with having brought it on themselves. And they were there for fourteen years, Covid only came five years ago, so your argument doesn't stand
Excellent broadcast.
Thanks for joining us Kathleen
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you both! It’s such a relief and interesting to listen to you speak about world affairs that affect us all. Bringing to light deeply hidden secrets of our governments is important. I’m so glad I can come to this channel and NOT hear about those two in California. I’m just so weary hearing about them and am clicking less and less on anything with their names on it. Thank you for offering us something more. ❤
Many thanks for that generous and pleasing comment Krisy 😊
The labour MPs were laughing at the victims in parliament. It is such a disgrace. These government need to go.
Yep completely disgusting
While the tories didn't do anything about it why didn't the opposition party labour keep pushing the narrative and keep it in the public eye.
That's bloody disgusting
A spinning podcast on a spinning planet! It's just what we need ❤ it!!❤
Thanks Cathy that was certainly our belief! 😊🌏😵💫
Maggie Oliver's interview with Andrew Gold shows how sickening the cover up of this is
It’s tremendous I agree
I think it is time that the people who neglected their duty of care were made to answer our questions and pay the consequences.
This has made me think and wonder what happened to Charlene Downes. A vulnerable 14 year old girl who went missing in Blackpool in 2003.
You know what her mother said!!!
What has happened with the post office scandal. It’s hard to compare degrees of horrible but all those postal workers whose lives were ruined when they were too old to move on to say nothing of the ones who committed suicide put this one pretty high on the list. Did those responsible ever suffer some consequences?
I think the woman in charge lost her honours.
@ not enough punishment IMO for her behaviour in permitting that persecution to go on. But there it is.
@@Romdormeryep because she was a Tory so therefore the BBC and other media sources actually covered it. The BBC won't make a movie about this atrocity because it doesn't fit the narrative.
🇬🇧🏴 Now that was impressive! This is going to be brilliant! ❤❤❤xxx
Thanks for your support Wendy😊
You’re so very welcome. I can’t wait for the next one.
Thank you, Shauna for explaining clearly this issue for us outside the UK 💔💔 hopefully these girls will have their justice some day ❤️❤️
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. You two are what the world needs and lacks - good sense, clear heads, even handedness and lots and lots of empathy. You have made an old lady very happy x
That is so lovely to read. Thanks for watching Deb
That means a lot! Thank you x
Really really appreciate that you are having this discussion, I’m also deeply embarrassed by what’s gone on in my country and the extent of the cover up. I’d also add that in all the months I’ve followed you I have never not received a notification from You Tube when you have posted a video. I did NOT receive one for this video where you are discussing what is a very sensitive subject here in the UK , it’s maybe just a coincidence but it’s a suspicious coincidence imho.
Thanks so much for watching and for the kind words Kirsty. As for notifications it’s all a bit beyond me sorry 😊
Ayan Hirsi Ali explains why the culture and ideology that is accepted in other countries does NOT work in Western Society.
She is certainly worth listening to , many of the perpetrators feel they are doing no wrong and are justified in doing it , the victims have no worth at all in their eyes .
She’s a very smart and brave woman
Did you see “Three Girls” DC Margaret Oliver played by Lesley Sharp released in 2017. Investigation is a long time coming as BBC One released in 2017. And of course Margaret Oliver was made redundant. Nothing got done
No! I’ll look out for it!
I saw it. Very powerful and appalling at the same time.
Great pod cast Shauna & Phil.
I had no idea about the "grooming gangs" as such until Elon Musk Tweets recently.
However, I stumbled on Emma Kenny's True Crime You Tube channel and listened to her deep dive into Gisele Pelicot bravery.
... On a side note I think Gisele Pelicot is one of the bravest women advocates of our time. Her courage and dignity is just so humbling to me.
~ "Shame must change sides. " Gisele Pelicot, 2024
But back to Emma Kenny and her true crime pod cast deep dives. I was SHOCKED, over and over at how many r@pe cases were ignored and / or dropped by the UK CDP for (in my opinion) misogynistic and / or basically NO apparent reason. Many of these perpetrators went on to murder. It is all so beyond my comprehension how this could possibly happen in this day and age.
Emma Kenny has also written a book "The Serial Killer Next Door." I think Emma's perspective on this would certainly be worth listening to.
Again: "Shame must change sides". ~ Gisele Pelicot. And my very sincere apologies to every victim, I'm so sorry that we as a society have let you down. I wish for you hope, peace and a bright future. 🥹🙏🏼🪻🌟🇦🇺
Powerful sentiments and very well put. Thanks for watching us Joy 😊
Thank you for your heartfelt comments Joy.
Well said agree 💯
@@kathleenkinchela7180 Thank you 🙏🏼🌻
I was always proud of our legal system and I felt if you did wrong you would have to answer for it. I was brought up to think that the police were honest and true. Also social workers although they had a different slant on things, were basically helpful to the needy.
Now I am ashamed of them all, and I have no faith in any of them.
Thank you for highlighting and talking about this problem.
A lot of us do feel like that now Jenny.
Great discussion, and probably one of the few places we will see this issue discussed in Australia. It's sad that in the UK it seems that it is only GB News, RUclips and Elon Musk keeping this topic alive in the public interest - Fleet Street would prefer to ignore it.
I really enjoyed this podcast. Very measured, open, and honest. Thank you both.
Thanks so much Jeanette and that’s the tone we’re looking for here 😊
Looking forward to future episodes
Thanks Sonja me too! 😊
Fascinating dialogue, thanks❤
I'm glad Elon is bringing attention to it. The UK is a cesspool right now.
I love your guest, Shauna. He is one of my favourites. And very best wishes for 2025 ❤ 💚 Cork, Ire 🇮🇪
Love this! I dread anything political in the Royal sphere as there is little to no attempt at balance. I so appreciate your approach and commitment to seeing and respresenting both sides.
Yes always two sides, and then you can make up your own mind!
I absolutely agree that information about race or ethnic background is important in the effort to protect children. I live in Mexico. I have reason to believe that people tend to look the other way if they know about child rape on the grounds that it's a private family matter. The same goes for domestic violence. There is a danger that knowledge of the ethnicity of perpetrators could inflame prejudice and racism among the ignorant, but in my view, it is more important to protect children. A full and independent public inquiry, with broad powers, is certainly called for.
Thank you for discussing this. We must keep it going.
I want all abuse of children to be out in the MSM but they won't. Baka tribe too.
Many thanks Karen 😊
Shauna we need to shine a light on our own communities in Australia.
I loved this chat very calm and factual, the best I’ve seen actually!! I would love to know what Phil thinks of the mainstream media, on television 🤔 I get the impression they are trying to ignore it but they know they have to report it. There seems to be a lot of discussion and outrage about Elon Musk rather than focusing on the victims. Even politicians like Ed Davey are more focused on Elon Musk. I’m absolutely horrified they won’t do a review!
The review is coming and the fact that ambitious Labour mayor Ed Burnham endorsed one today is proof of that. 😊 thanks for watching Jackie and ye sim disappointed at most MSM coverage of this story apart from The Times
Yes let’s hope Andy Burnham can force their hand. Thank you for taking time to reply!
Sorry Ed ! I thought it was Andy.
This was spectacularly well done, so impressed and thankful for this. You are both so engaging, well researched & knowledgeable, you present so well..... Definitely unspun this one.
That’s so kind of you Sue and really encouraging too 😊
Thank you so much!
Excellent interview! This subject needs to be brought into the light ❤️🙏🏻
Thanks so much for watching 😊
OH MY GOODNESS GUY'S , MY TWO FAVORITE PRESENTERS WHAT A LOVELY TREAT ON A WEDNESDAY EVENING MANY THANKS TO YOU BOTH SHAUNA , PHIL .
Thanks Wendy! Just going to bed but really enjoyed my first anti spin moment with Queensland’s favourite daughter 😊 🇬🇧🇦🇺❤️
There is a video by Black Belt Barrister where he shows a tweet that Jess Phillips made in 2015 calling a fellow MP the same thing that Elon Musk called her. I think a lot of MPs are finding out how much easier it is to be in opposition!! Great show. I'm looking forward to future shows with the 2 of you xx
Thanks Julia and yes the Labour Party is now being hit by some of the same exaggerated attacks that it used against the Tories IMO!
Tommy Robinson ( and MANY others) deserves an apology and restitution and to be heard.
You are kicking goals again Shauna. Phil is a great person to listen to. Keep in keeping on.
We plan to Nellie!
What a great combo you two are, informative & entertaining. Also thanks Shauna for shining a light on "brains & beauty" for us Brissy gals. 💕
Too kind, thank-you.
@@thevintageread 💕
Great chat, thank you Shauna and Phil
Thanks for checking us out again 🐿️
Glad you enjoyed it!
What a great discussion 👏👏👏👏!!! Oh - my heart breaks for those women. And can you imagine the additional layers of betrayal, ON TOP, when relatives are involved!!!!!
Heartbreaking and infuriating in equal measure Dawn 😢
Yes heartbreaking 💔
Implement the 20 recommendations from last enquiry first instead of taking another 10 years with nothing being done
Or both? Also the McPherson inquiry into Steven Lawrence case only took 18 months
I wonder why these crimes, and others, where women are targeted, are always swept under the carpet. Thank goodness people, including the real men in society, are standing up and speaking out loudl against this now.
I think of all of s.a. and trafficking going on over decades that has been overlooked or not considered as serious of a crime because it was young girls or young boys being victimized, especially those of color and immigrant women and children. It’s happening all over the world. I pray this gets the attention it deserves and the abusers will be prosecuted.
Very well said
@philmcraigthank you for your attention and reporting on this important issue. I have a sister who works in Tacoma, Washington with victims in her law enforcement department.
Very late to watch but so pleased more and more about this dreadful problem being made public, well done both of you. I feel the vulnerable people in Britain are let down by the police, government and the religious orders. Shame on them.
Quite right Angela they have been. Thanks so much for joining us.
Great episode. I think the two of you will be an excellent pair for this new project. There was something arresting which Phil said. It was about the girls being "not middle class" and hence vulnerable. That people didn't care because they saw them as less valuable to society. And I realized that I was guilty of the same type of thinking. I saw an episode of Andrew Gold's "Heretics" with Maggie Oliver as guest. With many of the stories being "Oh my, how do you deal with this situation?" I wanted to shout out, "You should have picked a better father!" Not helpful, to say the least. Then realizing that many came from single parent families, or parents who were rarely home because they were out working, or impossible extended family situations. And then I remembered how frustrated I felt that so many people here were so outraged by what they thought were an enormous number of migrant children who were missing and being sexually exploited or having their organs stolen before being buried in the desert. And the people who were outraged were the people who most wanted to clamp down on immigration here in the US. I still don't understand their thinking. I have no way of knowing if this is true or how many victims there might be. But there are many people who are very upset about it. And they think that Biden & the other Democrats knew all about it and were just covering it up. And that Hollywood was somehow involved, at least in sex trafficking. It goes on and on. So, while the situation here is very different in its details, there is an underlying pattern and societal upset and concern that ring true. You guys could make it your mission to try and get to a better understanding of just what and why people all over the Five Eyes have become so divided and angry with each other. Any contribution to elucidating that morass would be a good thing. And how do we start talking sanely, with calm and compassion, as that would send out at least a few rays of light into the world.
Female, born in 1953, USA
Thank you for your heartfelt comment. Yes that is the aim…to get all sides talking again.
Talking and taking action NOT to take credit, but for the sake of all that is decent and just.
That’s such a great comment. Thanks so much for joining us 😊
Great Video/Chat Shauna &Phil ❤❤❤. Looking Forward To More. A Very Happy &Healthy New Year To You Both XO.
And the same to you Bridget😊
So glad you both found each other - Ioved this first episode though the topic is grim and shocking but these things need to be given light to expose the rot and where we've gone wrong as a society/institutions - we certainly need the un-spin as the average joe (me included) is not fully aware of what is going on or why things have been allowed to go on - more power to your elbows. Watching with interest.
Many thanks Naomi that’s so nice to read 😊😊
Keep on deep diving my fab duo ❤❤
When I heard you discussing MAGGIE OLIVER I was thrilled. She has been trying for 2 decades to bring this to light!
Well done Phil for including lots of facts❤
Bravo Shauna for doing your research as always!!!
ADORE YOUR VIBE TOGETHER🎉
THANK YOU!
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Means a lot Ann Marie ❤😊
@philmcraig
We northerners (I'm from Richmond.N.Yorkshire) must stick together dear Phil 😘
Happy New Year to you, Mrs. C and your family!💜💜💜
@@annmariewraight871 And the same to you. My sister in law lived in Thornton Le Moor for years so I know and love that patch well
Excellent broadcast!
Thanks Sara
great show shauna and phil.
Thanks for watching Noreen 😊
Totally agree Shauna, there's too much of if you think this, you're right, far right or fascist and if you think that, you're left, far left or bloody communist. We need the practical and logical centre. There's right and wrong on both sides. Great chat, thanks!
Thanks Lizzie that’s exactly what we’re going for! 😊
Great work Phil and Shauna. Very informative even though it was horrifying. Looking forward to your future episodes.
Thank you for giving our new double act a try Audrey 😊
Thank you for watching! We have more coming!
Starmer ”not being particularly liked” is the understatement of the century!😂
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Bless Elon Musk. Bless Maggie Oliver. Prayers for the victims.
In the US, poorer girls are sex trafficked much, much more frequently.
That is heartbreaking 💔
Hi Shauna ❤from N.S.W ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Race IS absolutely relevant in this case - I would urge you to listen to RAJA MAIH, a Pakistani Muslim from Oldham, who has been an activist against this horror for years. He tells us of the massive scale of this crime taking place all over Pakistan and how it has been imported into other countries. He also exposes the authorities for incompetence and, in some cases, criminal negligence in handling the victims' stories. I too voted Labour in the past but now see this Party as being at the forefront of this scandal.
Yes Raja has been very impressive on this Thanks for watching Olivia😊
Superb! More episodes, please!
Coming soon! And thanks for watching 😊
Great! Thanks 😊
Great show despite the subject matter. This issue in UK was very obviously a known issue going back years. I remember a storyline in one of the Brit’s police shows about a young girl with an exotic boyfriend who she thought loved her and was then passed around to all of his friends. The outcome in the storyline was very different of course, and justice was done. I can’t remember the series, it may have been the Bill or Frost so quite a long time ago.
I remember that too. Thanks for watching and for your support Bertha 😊