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Excellent video! I think another difference is that Japanese and Okinawan Karate can employ throws sweeps in sparring under certain restrictions plus locking in Bunkai but Taekwondo seems to mainly focus on striking. Another difference is the ratio of usage of the hands. My brother in law who is a Taekwondo practitioner would describe his sparring as 70% kicking and 30% punching or as he said the hands were his backup to his kicks. Japanese karate seems to employ a more even use of their limbs and in some practices of Okinawan Karate their might be more emphasis on the hands. Take this with a grain of salt because it also varies to a great degree with the individual. Personally, I enjoy and admire all these practices.
After a decade of training in Okinawan and Japanese Karate I spent 15 years training and eventually teaching Taekwondo, so I have experience in all 3. The TKD School where zi trained at focused heavily on Sport TKD, so we didn't spend much time with Bunkai, but forms/Poomse were part of our curriculum for testing. TKD training for us was very fast paced. We focused more on Sparring drills, pad work, and heavy sparring, all mainly just kicking.
1) TKD does not focus so much on punches, but rather kicks, whereas karate (Japanese and Okinawan) does have a balance of punches and kicks 2) there are plenty of differences between TKD and Goju Ryu, which yusuke knows
Nice video! You're right, most of taekwondo training is based on poomsae and repetition of basic technique (forms), sparring, and exercises for cardio, speed and the like, but I've never seen the use of weights as a normal part of the training. We use heavy bags sometimes, and mitts all the time. And I know of specialized high performance centers where they use elastic bands in training, but this is not something common. Speaking about spin, I find it really useful to confuse and surprise the opponent, who doesn't know when and from where will land a new attack. It can be quite convenient in a ruled competition to score points, but they come at a risk, and surely they are not direct at all. One thing I can say about spinning kicks is that they can have a lot -A LOT- of power. On the stances, yep, we usually adopt a middle term here, not too wide, not too narrow, and we bounce constantly, to help us in spinning or launching a fast chain of kicks without any clear sign until it is too late. In the vast majority of gyms I've seen, they have flexible mats in the floor, you can see them in official competitions as well. But I can still remember my first days in a hard wooden floor (and my feet surely remember those days too). Spinning in that kind of floor is not recommended 😅. And yes, we train lots of different combinations. But certainly, I've never heard of using the toes in kicking.
In Okinawan Karate don´t spin, because of a principle in older martial arts: "Never expose your back to the enemy or opponent". There are Back kicks (ushiro gueri) but only if someone atack you from behind. You turn your head and kick to rear direction, but don´t spin or expose your back on purpose (deliberately).
@@thunderkatz4219 I trained TKD for ~7 years and have been doing Isshin-Ryu for ~1.5 years. You're right, there are quite a few spins in Okinawan karate, especially in some of the later kata. But no spin kicks as far as I'm aware. Spinning gedan barai mostly (some elbows).
The back kick made the difference between the vietnam army veteran getting my back and taking me out as a response to a simulated kill shot, and me knocking him out. It did not need to be anywhere near full speed to be fully effective.
It's interesting that many Taekwon-Do schools do have mats down on their floors. I've done Taekwon-Do for 36 years now and my instructor's school has always had wooden floors. You often can tell when we get visitors if they train on mats because their feet are more, shall we say, "delicate." The bottoms of my feet are covered in callouses lol
In capoeira some teachers bring ankle weights for training and then remove them for the roda(kinda like sparring). This is not traditional by any means though
I preferred the mats we used in TKD vs the hard floors in Uechi-Ryu. That hard floor is painful on the knees and hitting the floor leaves bruises. Of course when your 60+ pain is less palatable. :-)
In Goju ryu, there is a kata called suparinpei where they kick and spin 360 close to the end. And the kicks are usually with the heel or the instep, not the toes
there are toe kicks in goju ryu and shin heel foot sword instep so on and so forth i just find some schools willl not focus on the other attacking tools
Oh God, thanks for this. It is about time that somebody has to make a sensible, concise, comparative video disquisition of these major groups of “punch-kick and/or kicks-mostly martial arts.”
Tae-Kwon-do has plenty of lethal grappling, takedown, gouging, and other military techniques, alongside knees, punches, elbows, etc. The problem is that sport (fake)-kown do never instructs on them properly, if at all. Even ITF seems to have none of them; you don't need boxing at all if you have been trained properly in punching in Tae-kwon-Do, as it is more focused on bare knuckle, etc. placement and still at full contact and speed. But they do not allow them in training to the head because they are outright lethal when done properly, unless an opponent is able to spar after half of his skull is caved in, but that only happened once to one of the main instructors, and he still fought afterwards, though he toned it down a bit for the rest of the day. After that I was given an ultimatum that I could punch him in the head, but only being fully aware that he can punch me back, and that it would traumatize me at that point. he later nearly killed me in one body blow that he held back on, something that getting gored by a bull well over two thousand pounds by surprise could not come even a tenth as close to when it escaped out of my family's fence in the countryside and struck me.
That bull was still in my top ten most painful blows at the time, but you could imagine my surprise when they got a nine year old kid to hit me _harder_ than that and leave a mark for a week using only a punch. I was in shock and half-shouted at him, what are you showing these kids!? and he said I told you, nobody does what we do.
The founder of Taekwondo was a nidan in Shotokan Karate before he returned to Korea from Japan and incorporated the ancient Korean martial art of Tae Kwan plus the different Korean martial art of Tang So Do. His aim was to create a style to unify the Korean people of the North and South , and due to his beliefs he had to live in exile in Canada where the world headquarters of the International Taekwondo Federation is based as opposed to the World Taekwondo Federation which is based in Korea and is the body recognised by the Olympic Committee.
When he came over from Japan to Korea after the end of the second World War Cho was only graded to nidan at the time he was promoted over the years to yondan.
@@iandurie8580 CHo was ITF. Hwang Kee was 4th dan who started WTF. It strange how both styles look so different but they both started as Shotokan. I think Tangsoodo (old school WTF) appear more Shotokan than ITF.
5:40 I would say its more like Great-Grandfather (Okinawan) to Grandfather (Japanese) to Father/Mother (Tang Soo Do/Kong Soo Do) to the son (taekwondo).
Yusuke: okinawan karate was done to pass down self defense techniques.thus the lower kicks instead of higher ones. Thus Neutralizing the stance. Japanese karate is mostly for physical development secondary self protection.
I’m practicing Goju-Ryu and ITF Taekwondo, and i find that Okinawan Karate kicks are more practical and effective while Taekwondo to be more powerful and flashy. There’s a reason trickers love doing Taekwondo kicks; it’s cool. In Okinawan karate, especially in Goju-Ryu, they teach us to use our legs to either trip or break our opponents. In Japanese karate, they took a lot of their kicks from savate, making it an incredible sport and workout. I love all styles of kicking ❤️
I hate using kicks in Tae-Kwon-do. I almost exclusively prefer using punches, even against judo, wrestling, brazlilian jiu-jitsu, etc. experts to great effect, or at least I did until one day someone got too close and even though I tried to move slowly with a loose hand, I accidentally broke his nose. I tried to stop using kicks for years because every time the opponent needed an ambulance to the ER to be called over, special forces or not, with the only exception being someone I told to put on the turtle shell (fake-kwon-do chest protector) so that he would be ok, and he threw up for thirty minutes in a row even with that on and being punched full force by pro boxers.
Also, turning kicks should not be used often, or else they wear down the joints over time. There are ways to restore damaged cartilage completely, but I only know that because of my medical physicist background, and I still required nearly four months to fully restore all of the damaged tissue from punching stacks of one fifty to two hundred pound bags lined up (unfortunately, they broke and needed repairs, and I had no plans to be kicked out of a gym from accidentally destroying boxing bags repeatedly, which they made quite clear to me. Even intentionally going extremely light on one as a warm-up snapped the metal chain).
Yes ! I never used 'Tools' or 'Weights' when I did Kyokushin Karate, but one of my TaeKwonDo friends says he used "Resistance Bands" laying down - to train his Hip Flexors the same way Okinawa Karate uses weights to train their hip flexors. In Kyokushin Karate we used to 'Chamber' our knee as close to our chest and balance on the other leg for 30 seconds each side. In TaeKwonDo they do something similar but also train to Chamber their Leg with their shin parallel to the floor and also at 45 degrees. Hip Flexor Strength is Very Important ! Many people used to say "Don't train your Hip Flexors because they will become too tight !" But that is simply not true ! Karate has always had Stances that are Stretches - The Forward Lunge Stretch / Isometric Squat『前屈立ち』, The Horse Stance / Isometric Sumo Squat『牙立ち』are both Stances which isometrically strengthen the legs in all the ways you need flexibility for strong, high Kicks. I didn't know the reason for this until I found KneesOverToesGuy on RUclips ! The reason many karate-ka are able to get so flexible is because we have to hold the uncomfortable 'Maektsu-dachi' and the 'Kiba-dachi' for several minutes... and I've seen many western karate schools don't do this stance for very long because "It is too painful" so they can never strengthen their legs, so they can never kick high ! We know just stretching isn't enough because your body only lets you get flexible to where you are strong enough... that is why Karate (And many other Martial Arts) can Kick with Real Power ! If you get Flexible with only Stretching or with Yoga, maybe you can Kick High ?... but you will have no 'Power' in your kicks.
Thanks for the analysis, I have trained in traditional Karate and TKD and you are pretty spot on. Please, make more comparisons and could you please do a kata analysis for the Okinawan and Japanese karate I would really love to see the differences if any? Thank you.
Request, you should, comparing by looking at the history of Taekwondo formation, starting with 5 kwan. after that you will know how Karate is also in the formation of taekwondo. but because politics makes the two seem separate
@@KarateDojowaKu its seriosly dude, i practice taekwondo and shotokan karate, in taekwondo we had a lot of blocking and punch, but unfortunately we never consistent for that. In other hand, for karate i think more variation of kicking but unfortunately weh never practiced it. Based of that im looking for history and i found if taekwondo founder by 5 kwan practiced shotokan, and goju ryu
Interesting that 「一撃必殺」 was emphasized more in Okinawa considering it is believed that it was introduced into karate after it reached the mainland. Supposedly it comes from Kendo’s 「一剣必殺」.
In the Shōrin-ryū school i went to(Chintokan). We did our front kicks with the ball of the foot being the impact point. Instead of breaking our toes. Maybe traditionally in JP they used the toes. My Sensei may have been more concerned about Americans breaking their toes possibly.
Great content, thank you for the analytical breakdown highlighting some differences. I noticed, Okinawa Karate, looked to be less rigid, and both Japanese Karate, and Tae Kwon Do put a lot of emphasis on power techniques. When I studied Karate in the U.S. and Okinawa both were on wooden floors, and Wing Chun we trained in various outside in the grass, on mats, in a boxing ring, and in wooden floors. All have their advantages and disadvantages.
I came here to say this. Although, to be fair, whether we rotate or not is situational, as we may be focusing on retracting (to avoid a grapple) or power (where we are going to throw our hips into it, often in preparation for a follow-up combination).
This comparison should include savate. The kicking techniques in karate and taekwondo borrowed heavily, if not completely, from French savate in the early 20th century.
I really liked this. I understand from being a okiwanan (goju ryu) and a Korean( ITF ) & tang soo do styles. I think I learn a lot more from you more and more I watch.
Thank you very much. Your channel is considered one of the best channels, in addition to your distinctive style of showing martial arts masters, especially greatones. I wish you all success and prosperity.I hope more videos about full contact karate styles
WT Taekwondo actually does weight training for kicks. For example we tie weight bags on our ankles, or wrap strong rubber bands held by another person to train for more powerful and higher speed kicks.
I've done this with ankle weights, but now that you mentioned it- I just remembered the bungee cord resistance bands that are being used for this purpose. Forgot about those.
maybe a suggestion: not in all dojos, but in most dojos on Okinawa the focus is on individual support. Of course every class starts with Kihon Waza and Kata, but I've heard that the students are in small groups and practice different things: Kata, Kihon, sometimes Tegumi drills etc.
In Shotokan you have Tobi-Geri. Yoko tobi-geri, Nidan tobi-geri and so on. It depends on how you train your movements. And we do train 360 degree ushiro geri / ushiro mawashi geri even tobi ushiro-geri in Shotokan. You have to evolve your self to be able to defend your self in any given situation. Shotokan is not only for competitions purpose. A movement in a kata. Is not limited to a specific one movement. It's up to you to explore the movement to whatever use you can make out of it. You have been in Okinawa and seen all kind of different use of one movement. Karate has no limits. You are the only one who limits your self. I enjoy your analysis of martial arts. Thank you.
I had an idea, and you'd get more out of it. Doing videos going over the Japanese names of moves, and then preforming them 10 times for the calls. To improve japanese understanding for younger students or older students who have to take the time to understand.
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It's very challenging to include thorough information about these differences in such a short amount of time. Good job covering the main differences! I would love to see the inclusion of Tang (Dang) Soo Do in videos like this. There is a very deep connection between Tang Soo Do and Shotokan.
My granddaughter, who just turned 7, has been taking Okinawan-style karate for almost 2 years now. (Specifically, Isshinryu). They have a split dojo, one about 2/3rds of the building, the other the remaining third. Both sides use mats, but the smaller side has a traditional wooden floor beneath the mat. Her kicks use primarily the ball of the foot rather than her toes and the top of the foot just below where the foot joins the leg above the ankle, rather than the ankle itself. She is being taught combinations now, though they are one kick, one punch or multiple consecutive punches. Interestingly, she's also being taught a slide step combination punch that has a straight punch followed by an uppercut. Never seen them use the ankle weights, and haven't observed them in the dojo. However, this may be something they only use for the older students. From your description of each of these styles, she's in the right type of training for her needs--she will grow to be a petite young woman whose most likely to need karate as self-defense. I do pity the first kid that messes with her though. She's 25th percentile in height for her age group (3 of 4 7-year-olds are taller than her), but 65th percentile in weight, virtually all of it muscle mass from over 2 years of swimming lessons immediately followed by 2 years of karate. She routinely moves the bigger boys off spot in class when she kicks during bag drills, which certainly surprises complacent ones the first few times.
In traditional Tae Kwon Do there is no preference for weight distribution to either leg. Rather, weight is distributed evenly between both legs and then shifted to the lead leg or rear leg, as needed.
How do you define "traditional Tae Kwon Do"? Feels like lots of people use this to either mean ITF or a "time capsule kwan era" Taekwondo, whereas for me the main tradition in Taekwondo is constant refinement/evolution.
@@andyjeffries The general mindset of the original kwans. Basically "eclectic Shotokan" with Korean kicks added and with room from techniques from compatible combat arts -Western Boxing, Muay Thai, Hapkido, Judo - without losing the traditional Shotokan/Korean kicks central core. Additionally you would also have a Kyokushin Karate type of element to the art -hard conditioning, full contact fighting with minimal protection and lots of breaking. That to me is the Traditional Tae Kwon Do I began to train in 1978.
@@lastofmykind2020 That's the thing though, the original kwans wanted unification, they wanted evolution. They still do - all the original kwans are still headquartered in Korea and follow modern Kukkiwon syllabus (even Ohdokwan). So the "tradition" of the kwans is evolution and refinement.
@@andyjeffries They sacrificed what they had for political and doctrinal unification. Modern Kukkiwon TKD is but a shadow of the original art. It's not a "refinement." It took 6 years to get a black belt and you had to fight every black belt in the school full contact, punching included to get that black belt. Sweeping, grabbing and throwing was allowed. The focus was on combat self defense and secondarily sport. You had a mandatory 2 year wait between red/brown belt -yes some schools still had a brown belt. It was very similar to old school Kyokushin Karate. After all, Más Oyama was Korean. He refused to join Tae Kwon Do. I guess he saw the "writing on the wall."
@@lastofmykind2020 Where did you get those stats from? Early Kwan leaders and seniors had fast gradings too. GM Park Hae-man (Chungdokwan senior) did 6 months of training before the Korean war, then after the war ended in July 1953, he resumed training and he got his 1st Dan in 1954. If you believe the claims of Choi Hong Hi having done Karate, Choi went to university in 1940, and returned to Korea in 1942 with a reported 2nd Dan. If you think of Karate at the time as having long times to black belt, it wasn't either - Funakoshi Gichin promoted his first batch of black belts in 18 months. Judo was the same, Shiro Saigo moved to Tokyo in 1882 to start training and became one of Kano's first black belts in 1883. These long waits between starting and 1st Dan is a western thing. It's a long time in BJJ for example, but the Gracie brothers' own original teacher Mitsuyo Maeda started training in 1895 and was a 3rd Dan by 1901! So long times to black belt wasn't an early Kwan thing, it was very much a western thing.
Okinawan karate was made public as a physical education system with an intention to train future conscripts for the Japanese (sic!) military. Hence the emphasis was placed on gymnastics (kata) and preparational exercises (hojo-undo) and essentially there was no kihon because kata, bunkai, and hojo-undo were used instead (i.e. Okinawan karate was more of callestinics in form of kata, hojo-undo and bunkai). Later in Japan in interwar period there was a need for youngster (physically educated before that enough) to learn this new art to spar (like judo and kendo were made), hence from kata it was shifted to more "useful" (for kumite) combinations in kihon (i.e. 3K: kihon, kata, kumite). After the WW2 karate became more of a sport and competitions, hence all emphasis on kumite and kata are for grading and "tradition", unless made a kind of sport gymnastics (think of artistic weight lifting). Each period produces a different kind of karate and taekwondo is another form of development in a sense "let's spar with high kicks because we are not karate anymore!" :)
Fully agree on your TKD takes. I've trained on hard floors and outdoors, but only because circumstances demanded it. In a school on mats is the most common.
On the "Ankle Weight"-question: I train with 2 x 2, 5 Kg Ankle Weights in a very similar way, just to work on the muscles to get the knee up. (So it is almost the same move, but this okinawan tool in your video aims also to train their muscles in the feet) I know a lot of Practicioners in Karate, Taekwondo and Kickboxing who use "Ankle Weights" and "Wrist Weights" in their training. But in my opinion some do it a bit dangerously for "speed training" with a high risk of injuries in their knees and elbows, when they train fully extended, full speed punches and kicks with weights. So I prefer just "knee ups" or kicks and punches in slower, controlled speed, just to work a bit on the strength and endurance.
I normally don't train with weights in the legs because that improves the muscles that create an upward motion, but we train with bands latched two or three steps behind, when kicking and stretching the band, we work the muscles that move the kick forward. That and kicking the bag, or course.
From a WT perspective. We do rotate our hips when kicking. Could see it was ITF tkd in the clips, but I do not know enough about ITF to say it's a difference in style. We have used angle weights in poomse training, to train higher kicks. But it is not used a lot, as some say if you kick wrong it puts a strain on your knee area. It is more used to have elastics as resistance.
In the US, Karate is most often practiced on a hard wooden floor. However, in the ‘60s one of our Black Belts invented a way of suspending the wooden floor to make it resilient. He laid it on car tires so, if you stomped or jumped, the floor would flex a little to keep from injuring your feet, ankles and legs. Eventually, he installed that type of flooring in several other Dojos. When the original car tire Dojo had to move, their flooring changed to sawdust covered with canvas. You really had to concentrate on grabbing the floor with your toes on that canvas or your feet would slide out from under you. Some groups practice on mats, but I think that is the minority. Practicing on hard wooden floors helps toughen the feet which comes in handy during Special Training. In the SKA, we have Special Training once in the summer for 3 1/2 days and in the winter for 2 1/2 days. We start running barefoot very early in the morning, often on asphalt for a couple of miles. Then we have several 2 hour practices either on grass or on a gym’s wooden floor (500 kicks, 1,000 punches, 100 Kata, 1 1/2 hour Kibadachi) so having tough feet helps. Often you see people with surgical tape around their toes and feet after getting blisters.
@@coopersheldon394 Those are great ways to train! A couple of my Karate buddies, very high level guys, moved to a ranch in Northern California years ago and trained the same way. There are many many pictures of them fighting on raw uneven ground and in ponds. Then one of them lead a 24 hour practice on raw ground. No food or water, no breaks-just practice. There’s a famous, in the SKA, picture of a dozen or so guys and girls right after the practice.
We never used weights for kick training in our Shorin-ryu dojo; however, my sensei's teacher was Osensei Eizo Shimabukuro, who modernized Shorin ryu throughout the 20th century and may have done away with that type of training (though we did use traditional weights to train grip and arms)
There's some differences with TKD that may be specific to WTF TKD but not sure - ive been in 3 schools that utilize carpeted flooring that is very stiff as well as 1 school that used a more cushion/mat like flooring. Also the school I learned TKD from had a more similar method for maegiri than ITF TKD as we were taught to pivot and rotate our hips into the kick while also aiming to not bob up and down during the transition of Weight. This method also allowed for more ease to transition from one move to the next more fluidly.
I know knees over toes guy trains hipflexors that way. according to him it should help with hip mobility and strength, which means it should help with kicks too.
Another very nice video, Nagano Sensei. Some Korean schools (eg. the Odokwan, which became the International Taekwondo Federation) actually do often thrust the hip forward on front kick (as you showed here with Matsubayashi-ryu). However, I should mention that, after incorporating that for a number of years myself (even though I teach TangSooDo), it can harm the hip and the sacral-iliac joint, if done too hard and repetitively for a long time. Reasons for Korean stylists often kicking from a modified back stance include making kicking with the leading leg easier and, after dropping to a back stance to avoid a frontal attack or grab before countering with a kick.
ありがとうございます。とても面白かったです。🌸 Okinawa Karate shares with Wing Chun the small distance and the focus on low kicks. Muay Thai and Wun Hop Kuen Do (Kung Fu) both often aim at the head and emphasise hip rotation as the main source of power generation. I wonder where Karate kicks get the power they obviously have from if it's not from hip rotation? in round house kicks you will use hip rotation, right? (sorry for the naive questions, I only just started karate). thank you so much for all your videos, thry are very informative and interesting and fun to watch 🌸
Regarding Mae-Geri/Ap-Chagi/Front-Kick in Kukki/WT taekwondo, I find the older schools and curriculums will sometimes teach two separate versions of Mae-Geri -- a Front Snap Kick and a Front Thrust Kick. The "snap" kick is closer to the version you highlighted in Shotokan karate: the hip doesn't move much and the foot retracts more quickly. The "thrust" kick is the version where your hip extends forward farther. In more modern taekwondo, most schools will just teach an in-between version and then adapt it to the context of the training. That said, I have seen a thrust-style kick used more often in kata/poomsae competitions.
Iranian Martial arts have something called “Pahlevani and Zourkhaneh”, it is a form of training with wooden clubs that helps to develop upper body strength. All ancient martial arts focused on body strength use different methods since they used what was available, some developed more modern ways of training and training tools and some others keep their traditional ways.
I train Okinawa Kenpo and our kicks use the heel (front kick), the blade (outside edge) (side kick) and top (round kick) mainly. That's not to say other parts of the foot might not be used for other kicks but those are our main ones
Some of this difference depends on the condition of the ground. Like if there is ice outside it is better to punch than to kick which may make you fall.
There are TONS of examples of different karate heads teaching the same kata different ways to different people. Sometimes they changed with time. IE: Taught it this way to students, then 10 years later taught it differently to other students. Sometimes they changed due to circumstance. IE: Taught it this way to students, then 2 days later taught it a different way to THIS student because of an injury or something. This is why there are so many SLIGHTLY different variations of the same kata. I bring this up to say that your experience at the Okinawan Dojos, as well as the Korean Dojang is an incredibly small sample set. That PARTICULAR Shorin Ryu school trains with sashi. It doesn't mean that all do. That PARTICULAR school teaches toe kicks. But not all do. Just something to think about and keep in mind.
Some of my instructors would train with weights. One would train in class with ankle weights on. Another refused to train in them but would walk around with ankle weights on. He figured that was less damaging to the knees. Just strap the weights on in the morning and go about your day. Then, take them off when training.
I use ankle and wrist weights in my Taekwondo training. But even though by foundation martial art is Taekwondo I also incorporate various techniques from other martial arts into my Taekwondo. We have a thin carpet in our Dojang.
If you had focused on Kata or Poomsae, you would've seen even greater differences between the same techniques. But that could've been a very long video. Stances vary greatly between WT and ITF Taekwondo. World Taekwondo is more similar to Okinawan Karate with a taller, more relaxed stance. ITF has **much** deeper stances, but not quite as deep as most Japanese Karate
I recommend you to analyze the Jido Kwan style in TKD (this is one of ten styles I guess maybe twelve recognized by the WTF), and Jido Kwan has the characteristic to have similar movements like Japanese karate styles (circular movements and stands) instead of straight movements like in Moo Duk Kwan style
my teachers teacher taught Ryu Kyu Kempo and tuite jitsu. It then was modified to RyuTe then OyataTe old school Okinawan teacher. My teach said he did one kata amost a yr and all he heard from his teacher, Master Oyata was AGAIN..... We had a super heavy canvas punching bag in the Doja wtt around 300Lb plus. And he could put 4"inch deep crators in that bag. his punches were like a 12 gauge shotgun going off....Hitting that bag was like hitting a telephone pole wrapped in canvas
Regarding the stone padlocks on the feet, you said you don't see that in Japanese karate but please take into account that they do use those sandals or iron getas.
I've used weights little to train kicks and punches, but a much better and more modern option is to use elastic bands and bungee cords. Attach one end of the bungee to your ankle and the other to a wall mount and practice your kicks -- the extra force of the bungee is much more in-line with the motion of the actual kick. That said, I did like the wrist-twisting rock tool they used in the one video. In terms of flooring, despite doing taekwondo, I prefer training on a hardwood floor. My first school had a well-made hardwood floor and I never had any issues with stability or thought of it as too hard; if we were doing more substantial falls and take-downs we would temporarily set up mats. More recently, I've been training on thin mats and it's not bad or anything, but my feet do tend to get torn up after a lot of footwork, which never happened on the hardwood.
I trained in an Okinawan style called Shorin-ryu before you were born. (just sayin... :-) And, recently I watched several karate videos where at least one (I believe it's well know) said that Japan learned, took karate from the original source, Okinawa. I didn't train long in Shorin-ryu, wanting to practice a more social, spiritual style of martial art. I learned about Aikido from a friend that had been training in it. As I learned about Aikido, I realized that the original martial art I learned was what was developed by farmers in Okinawa, most likely defending against the Japanese Samurai who came to claim the islands for their masters. Aikido comes from the Samurai traditions. The Aikido buki are the wooden sword, the staff, and the tanto (knife). Okinawan weapons are farm implements. Aikido has gotten a great deal of criticism over time. I feel bad until I remember watching my sensei and his son demonstrate in a very impressive fashion how effective the techniques really are. The other thing to remember is that Aikido is not a "training to fight" style. It is a training form that genuinely believes in deflecting energy and not fighting.
I agree with most of your points here except the first one. Your comparison is two entirely different types of kicks. Just about any school that teaches turning kicks is going to keep its weight on the back leg. Just as any school that teacher forward motion kick is going to transfer weight from back to front.
In Kuk Sool We Train Lots leg techniques , Chicken Walk called in Korean Origi run , They also so lots pressure point Techniques all the same in al Korean Martial Arts
I just started watching your channel a few days ago. I studied Kenpo when I was in college. The style of Kenpo was the Al Tracy system. I was wondering what is the closest style of Kenpo? Thank you. Best, Steve
Hi there Sensei! Always learning something new with your videos. My today's questions are whether there is proven existence of 'ki'?what it is really? How to develop it? I know the theory behind it, but so far I have never been able to release it. I know also that we all have an aura around our body and it can be used for power and for dim mak. Clarify me on that! Thanks beforehand
If you ever want to come to the United States you will see how American practitioners will often combine elements of all three approaches into an eclectic system. In fact the term "American Karate" is widespread throughout the states.
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Excellent video! I think another difference is that Japanese and Okinawan Karate can employ throws sweeps in sparring under certain restrictions plus locking in Bunkai but Taekwondo seems to mainly focus on striking.
Another difference is the ratio of usage of the hands. My brother in law who is a Taekwondo practitioner would describe his sparring as 70% kicking and 30% punching or as he said the hands were his backup to his kicks. Japanese karate seems to employ a more even use of their limbs and in some practices of Okinawan Karate their might be more emphasis on the hands. Take this with a grain of salt because it also varies to a great degree with the individual.
Personally, I enjoy and admire all these practices.
After a decade of training in Okinawan and Japanese Karate I spent 15 years training and eventually teaching Taekwondo, so I have experience in all 3.
The TKD School where zi trained at focused heavily on Sport TKD, so we didn't spend much time with Bunkai, but forms/Poomse were part of our curriculum for testing. TKD training for us was very fast paced. We focused more on Sparring drills, pad work, and heavy sparring, all mainly just kicking.
In Goju-Ryu (IOGKF)
Kokutsu Dachi - it's a back stance
Uchi Uke - is to the inside not from the inside
1) TKD does not focus so much on punches, but rather kicks, whereas karate (Japanese and Okinawan) does have a balance of punches and kicks
2) there are plenty of differences between TKD and Goju Ryu, which yusuke knows
Nice video!
You're right, most of taekwondo training is based on poomsae and repetition of basic technique (forms), sparring, and exercises for cardio, speed and the like, but I've never seen the use of weights as a normal part of the training.
We use heavy bags sometimes, and mitts all the time.
And I know of specialized high performance centers where they use elastic bands in training, but this is not something common.
Speaking about spin, I find it really useful to confuse and surprise the opponent, who doesn't know when and from where will land a new attack. It can be quite convenient in a ruled competition to score points, but they come at a risk, and surely they are not direct at all. One thing I can say about spinning kicks is that they can have a lot -A LOT- of power.
On the stances, yep, we usually adopt a middle term here, not too wide, not too narrow, and we bounce constantly, to help us in spinning or launching a fast chain of kicks without any clear sign until it is too late.
In the vast majority of gyms I've seen, they have flexible mats in the floor, you can see them in official competitions as well. But I can still remember my first days in a hard wooden floor (and my feet surely remember those days too). Spinning in that kind of floor is not recommended 😅.
And yes, we train lots of different combinations.
But certainly, I've never heard of using the toes in kicking.
In Okinawan Karate don´t spin, because of a principle in older martial arts: "Never expose your back to the enemy or opponent". There are Back kicks (ushiro gueri) but only if someone atack you from behind. You turn your head and kick to rear direction, but don´t spin or expose your back on purpose (deliberately).
They do spin
@@thunderkatz4219 I trained TKD for ~7 years and have been doing Isshin-Ryu for ~1.5 years. You're right, there are quite a few spins in Okinawan karate, especially in some of the later kata. But no spin kicks as far as I'm aware. Spinning gedan barai mostly (some elbows).
The back kick made the difference between the vietnam army veteran getting my back and taking me out as a response to a simulated kill shot, and me knocking him out. It did not need to be anywhere near full speed to be fully effective.
It's interesting that many Taekwon-Do schools do have mats down on their floors. I've done Taekwon-Do for 36 years now and my instructor's school has always had wooden floors. You often can tell when we get visitors if they train on mats because their feet are more, shall we say, "delicate." The bottoms of my feet are covered in callouses lol
“delicate”, I like that! LOL
Thanks for the insight!
It could be because there is a chance of falling after a fancy kick and you might bang your head.
@@automaticninjaassaultcat3703 but also you probably would not be barefoot in real life either.
I understand that but I've seen someone fall and hit the back of their head on a hard floor. Not pretty.
In capoeira some teachers bring ankle weights for training and then remove them for the roda(kinda like sparring). This is not traditional by any means though
I see!
I preferred the mats we used in TKD vs the hard floors in Uechi-Ryu. That hard floor is painful on the knees and hitting the floor leaves bruises. Of course when your 60+ pain is less palatable. :-)
In Goju ryu, there is a kata called suparinpei where they kick and spin 360 close to the end. And the kicks are usually with the heel or the instep, not the toes
oh yes! That is true!
there are toe kicks in goju ryu and shin heel foot sword instep so on and so forth i just find some schools willl not focus on the other attacking tools
Oh God, thanks for this. It is about time that somebody has to make a sensible, concise, comparative video disquisition of these major groups of “punch-kick and/or kicks-mostly martial arts.”
Tae-Kwon-do has plenty of lethal grappling, takedown, gouging, and other military techniques, alongside knees, punches, elbows, etc. The problem is that sport (fake)-kown do never instructs on them properly, if at all. Even ITF seems to have none of them; you don't need boxing at all if you have been trained properly in punching in Tae-kwon-Do, as it is more focused on bare knuckle, etc. placement and still at full contact and speed. But they do not allow them in training to the head because they are outright lethal when done properly, unless an opponent is able to spar after half of his skull is caved in, but that only happened once to one of the main instructors, and he still fought afterwards, though he toned it down a bit for the rest of the day. After that I was given an ultimatum that I could punch him in the head, but only being fully aware that he can punch me back, and that it would traumatize me at that point. he later nearly killed me in one body blow that he held back on, something that getting gored by a bull well over two thousand pounds by surprise could not come even a tenth as close to when it escaped out of my family's fence in the countryside and struck me.
That bull was still in my top ten most painful blows at the time, but you could imagine my surprise when they got a nine year old kid to hit me _harder_ than that and leave a mark for a week using only a punch. I was in shock and half-shouted at him, what are you showing these kids!? and he said I told you, nobody does what we do.
The founder of Taekwondo was a nidan in Shotokan Karate before he returned to Korea from Japan and incorporated the ancient Korean martial art of Tae Kwan plus the different Korean martial art of Tang So Do. His aim was to create a style to unify the Korean people of the North and South , and due to his beliefs he had to live in exile in Canada where the world headquarters of the International Taekwondo Federation is based as opposed to the World Taekwondo Federation which is based in Korea and is the body recognised by the Olympic Committee.
Wtf founder was a 4th dan. And mas oyama was like 8th dan goju ryu
When he came over from Japan to Korea after the end of the second World War Cho was only graded to nidan at the time he was promoted over the years to yondan.
Thanks so much for your information!
@@iandurie8580 CHo was ITF. Hwang Kee was 4th dan who started WTF. It strange how both styles look so different but they both started as Shotokan. I think Tangsoodo (old school WTF) appear more Shotokan than ITF.
@@Samperor I can't speak for TSD, but Chang Hon used to look very much like Shotokan (check out Won Hyo tul and Heian Nidan)
5:40 I would say its more like Great-Grandfather (Okinawan) to Grandfather (Japanese) to Father/Mother (Tang Soo Do/Kong Soo Do) to the son (taekwondo).
Yusuke: okinawan karate was done to pass down self defense techniques.thus the lower kicks instead of higher ones. Thus Neutralizing the stance. Japanese karate is mostly for physical development secondary self protection.
Right! Thanks for sharing!
@@KarateDojowaKu Actually Okinawan karate came from the southern Kung fu which also uses low kicks more because of the tough terrain.
I’m practicing Goju-Ryu and ITF Taekwondo, and i find that Okinawan Karate kicks are more practical and effective while Taekwondo to be more powerful and flashy. There’s a reason trickers love doing Taekwondo kicks; it’s cool.
In Okinawan karate, especially in Goju-Ryu, they teach us to use our legs to either trip or break our opponents. In Japanese karate, they took a lot of their kicks from savate, making it an incredible sport and workout.
I love all styles of kicking ❤️
I hate using kicks in Tae-Kwon-do. I almost exclusively prefer using punches, even against judo, wrestling, brazlilian jiu-jitsu, etc. experts to great effect, or at least I did until one day someone got too close and even though I tried to move slowly with a loose hand, I accidentally broke his nose. I tried to stop using kicks for years because every time the opponent needed an ambulance to the ER to be called over, special forces or not, with the only exception being someone I told to put on the turtle shell (fake-kwon-do chest protector) so that he would be ok, and he threw up for thirty minutes in a row even with that on and being punched full force by pro boxers.
Also, turning kicks should not be used often, or else they wear down the joints over time. There are ways to restore damaged cartilage completely, but I only know that because of my medical physicist background, and I still required nearly four months to fully restore all of the damaged tissue from punching stacks of one fifty to two hundred pound bags lined up (unfortunately, they broke and needed repairs, and I had no plans to be kicked out of a gym from accidentally destroying boxing bags repeatedly, which they made quite clear to me. Even intentionally going extremely light on one as a warm-up snapped the metal chain).
I like your "grandfather, son, grandson" analogy.
Yes "grandson trained."
This was good vid
Yes ! I never used 'Tools' or 'Weights' when I did Kyokushin Karate, but one of my TaeKwonDo friends says he used "Resistance Bands" laying down - to train his Hip Flexors the same way Okinawa Karate uses weights to train their hip flexors.
In Kyokushin Karate we used to 'Chamber' our knee as close to our chest and balance on the other leg for 30 seconds each side. In TaeKwonDo they do something similar but also train to Chamber their Leg with their shin parallel to the floor and also at 45 degrees.
Hip Flexor Strength is Very Important ! Many people used to say "Don't train your Hip Flexors because they will become too tight !" But that is simply not true ! Karate has always had Stances that are Stretches - The Forward Lunge Stretch / Isometric Squat『前屈立ち』, The Horse Stance / Isometric Sumo Squat『牙立ち』are both Stances which isometrically strengthen the legs in all the ways you need flexibility for strong, high Kicks. I didn't know the reason for this until I found KneesOverToesGuy on RUclips !
The reason many karate-ka are able to get so flexible is because we have to hold the uncomfortable 'Maektsu-dachi' and the 'Kiba-dachi' for several minutes... and I've seen many western karate schools don't do this stance for very long because "It is too painful" so they can never strengthen their legs, so they can never kick high !
We know just stretching isn't enough because your body only lets you get flexible to where you are strong enough... that is why Karate (And many other Martial Arts) can Kick with Real Power ! If you get Flexible with only Stretching or with Yoga, maybe you can Kick High ?... but you will have no 'Power' in your kicks.
Sensei pls make a video on Styles of Kobudo and their associate weapons?
Interesting Idea!
Thanks for the analysis, I have trained in traditional Karate and TKD and you are pretty spot on. Please, make more comparisons and could you please do a kata analysis for the Okinawan and Japanese karate I would really love to see the differences if any? Thank you.
Request, you should, comparing by looking at the history of Taekwondo formation, starting with 5 kwan. after that you will know how Karate is also in the formation of taekwondo. but because politics makes the two seem separate
thanks for the recommendation!
@@KarateDojowaKu its seriosly dude, i practice taekwondo and shotokan karate, in taekwondo we had a lot of blocking and punch, but unfortunately we never consistent for that. In other hand, for karate i think more variation of kicking but unfortunately weh never practiced it. Based of that im looking for history and i found if taekwondo founder by 5 kwan practiced shotokan, and goju ryu
@@cotokuahbakso4150 read "A Killing Art: the untold History of Taekwondo"
@@karmaaina yes i have dude, one of my based 👍
Great video!
I trained in Rhee Taekwondo here in Australia, and the hip movement is very much a big part of our school
Interesting that 「一撃必殺」 was emphasized more in Okinawa considering it is believed that it was introduced into karate after it reached the mainland. Supposedly it comes from Kendo’s 「一剣必殺」.
In the Shōrin-ryū school i went to(Chintokan). We did our front kicks with the ball of the foot being the impact point. Instead of breaking our toes. Maybe traditionally in JP they used the toes. My Sensei may have been more concerned about Americans breaking their toes possibly.
Great content, thank you for the analytical breakdown highlighting some differences.
I noticed, Okinawa Karate, looked to be less rigid, and both Japanese Karate, and Tae Kwon Do put a lot of emphasis on power techniques.
When I studied Karate in the U.S. and Okinawa both were on wooden floors, and Wing Chun we trained in various outside in the grass, on mats, in a boxing ring, and in wooden floors. All have their advantages and disadvantages.
You should mention the chambering of kicks, as well as body weight distribution as opposed to weight on the foot.
Thanks for the idea!
Yusuke in WT/WTF Taekwondo we rotate our hip for Front Kick.
I came here to say this.
Although, to be fair, whether we rotate or not is situational, as we may be focusing on retracting (to avoid a grapple) or power (where we are going to throw our hips into it, often in preparation for a follow-up combination).
I was going to say only Shotokan karate emphasises a square hip.
This comparison should include savate. The kicking techniques in karate and taekwondo borrowed heavily, if not completely, from French savate in the early 20th century.
I really liked this. I understand from being a okiwanan (goju ryu) and a Korean( ITF ) & tang soo do styles. I think I learn a lot more from you more and more I watch.
In Uechi Ryu (Okinawa) they utilize the big toe, called tsumasaki geri.
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thanks so much!
WT Taekwondo actually does weight training for kicks. For example we tie weight bags on our ankles, or wrap strong rubber bands held by another person to train for more powerful and higher speed kicks.
Sir tells us if we don’t have weights to use our sparring guards
He tells us it will improve speed
And I use the guards to improve speed and power even when there is no sparring tournament
I've done this with ankle weights, but now that you mentioned it- I just remembered the bungee cord resistance bands that are being used for this purpose. Forgot about those.
@@i-cphotography4433 I don’t even have weights so I use Sparring guards
maybe a suggestion: not in all dojos, but in most dojos on Okinawa the focus is on individual support. Of course every class starts with Kihon Waza and Kata, but I've heard that the students are in small groups and practice different things: Kata, Kihon, sometimes Tegumi drills etc.
Excellent as usualll!!! Very good!
In Shotokan you have Tobi-Geri. Yoko tobi-geri, Nidan tobi-geri and so on. It depends on how you train your movements. And we do train 360 degree ushiro geri / ushiro mawashi geri even tobi ushiro-geri in Shotokan. You have to evolve your self to be able to defend your self in any given situation. Shotokan is not only for competitions purpose. A movement in a kata. Is not limited to a specific one movement. It's up to you to explore the movement to whatever use you can make out of it. You have been in Okinawa and seen all kind of different use of one movement. Karate has no limits. You are the only one who limits your self. I enjoy your analysis of martial arts. Thank you.
This is, of course, mainly referring to the sporting version of Taekwondo.
I had an idea, and you'd get more out of it. Doing videos going over the Japanese names of moves, and then preforming them 10 times for the calls. To improve japanese understanding for younger students or older students who have to take the time to understand.
Thanks for the idea! I do have a pronunciation video, so please check them out too :)
hey bro, i came from paolo's link, looks like you are so good in karate than usual balck belt onece, i also have black belt in karate but i am not so clever as you, keap it up yuske dude
It's very challenging to include thorough information about these differences in such a short amount of time. Good job covering the main differences! I would love to see the inclusion of Tang (Dang) Soo Do in videos like this. There is a very deep connection between Tang Soo Do and Shotokan.
That would be interesting!
My granddaughter, who just turned 7, has been taking Okinawan-style karate for almost 2 years now. (Specifically, Isshinryu). They have a split dojo, one about 2/3rds of the building, the other the remaining third. Both sides use mats, but the smaller side has a traditional wooden floor beneath the mat.
Her kicks use primarily the ball of the foot rather than her toes and the top of the foot just below where the foot joins the leg above the ankle, rather than the ankle itself. She is being taught combinations now, though they are one kick, one punch or multiple consecutive punches. Interestingly, she's also being taught a slide step combination punch that has a straight punch followed by an uppercut.
Never seen them use the ankle weights, and haven't observed them in the dojo. However, this may be something they only use for the older students.
From your description of each of these styles, she's in the right type of training for her needs--she will grow to be a petite young woman whose most likely to need karate as self-defense. I do pity the first kid that messes with her though. She's 25th percentile in height for her age group (3 of 4 7-year-olds are taller than her), but 65th percentile in weight, virtually all of it muscle mass from over 2 years of swimming lessons immediately followed by 2 years of karate. She routinely moves the bigger boys off spot in class when she kicks during bag drills, which certainly surprises complacent ones the first few times.
Thank you sensei for sharing
In traditional Tae Kwon Do there is no preference for weight distribution to either leg. Rather, weight is distributed evenly between both legs and then shifted to the lead leg or rear leg, as needed.
How do you define "traditional Tae Kwon Do"? Feels like lots of people use this to either mean ITF or a "time capsule kwan era" Taekwondo, whereas for me the main tradition in Taekwondo is constant refinement/evolution.
@@andyjeffries The general mindset of the original kwans. Basically "eclectic Shotokan" with Korean kicks added and with room from techniques from compatible combat arts -Western Boxing, Muay Thai, Hapkido, Judo - without losing the traditional Shotokan/Korean kicks central core. Additionally you would also have a Kyokushin Karate type of element to the art -hard conditioning, full contact fighting with minimal protection and lots of breaking. That to me is the Traditional Tae Kwon Do I began to train in 1978.
@@lastofmykind2020 That's the thing though, the original kwans wanted unification, they wanted evolution. They still do - all the original kwans are still headquartered in Korea and follow modern Kukkiwon syllabus (even Ohdokwan). So the "tradition" of the kwans is evolution and refinement.
@@andyjeffries They sacrificed what they had for political and doctrinal unification. Modern Kukkiwon TKD is but a shadow of the original art. It's not a "refinement." It took 6 years to get a black belt and you had to fight every black belt in the school full contact, punching included to get that black belt. Sweeping, grabbing and throwing was allowed. The focus was on combat self defense and secondarily sport. You had a mandatory 2 year wait between red/brown belt -yes some schools still had a brown belt. It was very similar to old school Kyokushin Karate. After all, Más Oyama was Korean. He refused to join Tae Kwon Do. I guess he saw the "writing on the wall."
@@lastofmykind2020 Where did you get those stats from? Early Kwan leaders and seniors had fast gradings too. GM Park Hae-man (Chungdokwan senior) did 6 months of training before the Korean war, then after the war ended in July 1953, he resumed training and he got his 1st Dan in 1954. If you believe the claims of Choi Hong Hi having done Karate, Choi went to university in 1940, and returned to Korea in 1942 with a reported 2nd Dan. If you think of Karate at the time as having long times to black belt, it wasn't either - Funakoshi Gichin promoted his first batch of black belts in 18 months. Judo was the same, Shiro Saigo moved to Tokyo in 1882 to start training and became one of Kano's first black belts in 1883. These long waits between starting and 1st Dan is a western thing. It's a long time in BJJ for example, but the Gracie brothers' own original teacher Mitsuyo Maeda started training in 1895 and was a 3rd Dan by 1901! So long times to black belt wasn't an early Kwan thing, it was very much a western thing.
I would like to know more about the origins and history of these forms. Your description of grandfather, son, grandson intrigued me!
Okinawan karate was made public as a physical education system with an intention to train future conscripts for the Japanese (sic!) military. Hence the emphasis was placed on gymnastics (kata) and preparational exercises (hojo-undo) and essentially there was no kihon because kata, bunkai, and hojo-undo were used instead (i.e. Okinawan karate was more of callestinics in form of kata, hojo-undo and bunkai). Later in Japan in interwar period there was a need for youngster (physically educated before that enough) to learn this new art to spar (like judo and kendo were made), hence from kata it was shifted to more "useful" (for kumite) combinations in kihon (i.e. 3K: kihon, kata, kumite). After the WW2 karate became more of a sport and competitions, hence all emphasis on kumite and kata are for grading and "tradition", unless made a kind of sport gymnastics (think of artistic weight lifting). Each period produces a different kind of karate and taekwondo is another form of development in a sense "let's spar with high kicks because we are not karate anymore!" :)
Fully agree on your TKD takes. I've trained on hard floors and outdoors, but only because circumstances demanded it. In a school on mats is the most common.
I see!
On the "Ankle Weight"-question: I train with 2 x 2, 5 Kg Ankle Weights in a very similar way, just to work on the muscles to get the knee up. (So it is almost the same move, but this okinawan tool in your video aims also to train their muscles in the feet)
I know a lot of Practicioners in Karate, Taekwondo and Kickboxing who use "Ankle Weights" and "Wrist Weights" in their training. But in my opinion some do it a bit dangerously for "speed training" with a high risk of injuries in their knees and elbows, when they train fully extended, full speed punches and kicks with weights.
So I prefer just "knee ups" or kicks and punches in slower, controlled speed, just to work a bit on the strength and endurance.
Nice!
Excellent coverage of the contrasts between the various systems.
I normally don't train with weights in the legs because that improves the muscles that create an upward motion, but we train with bands latched two or three steps behind, when kicking and stretching the band, we work the muscles that move the kick forward. That and kicking the bag, or course.
My school of Shorin Ryu uses the ball, heel, and the side of the foot.
From a WT perspective.
We do rotate our hips when kicking. Could see it was ITF tkd in the clips, but I do not know enough about ITF to say it's a difference in style.
We have used angle weights in poomse training, to train higher kicks. But it is not used a lot, as some say if you kick wrong it puts a strain on your knee area. It is more used to have elastics as resistance.
Very interesting love your videos,
In the US, Karate is most often practiced on a hard wooden floor. However, in the ‘60s one of our Black Belts invented a way of suspending the wooden floor to make it resilient. He laid it on car tires so, if you stomped or jumped, the floor would flex a little to keep from injuring your feet, ankles and legs. Eventually, he installed that type of flooring in several other Dojos. When the original car tire Dojo had to move, their flooring changed to sawdust covered with canvas. You really had to concentrate on grabbing the floor with your toes on that canvas or your feet would slide out from under you. Some groups practice on mats, but I think that is the minority. Practicing on hard wooden floors helps toughen the feet which comes in handy during Special Training. In the SKA, we have Special Training once in the summer for 3 1/2 days and in the winter for 2 1/2 days. We start running barefoot very early in the morning, often on asphalt for a couple of miles. Then we have several 2 hour practices either on grass or on a gym’s wooden floor (500 kicks, 1,000 punches, 100 Kata, 1 1/2 hour Kibadachi) so having tough feet helps. Often you see people with surgical tape around their toes and feet after getting blisters.
Oh wow! Thanks so much for your insight!
I used to train on uneven hills with tree roots, etc, to make it difficult on myself. Lately I use combat boots while working on head kicks.
@@coopersheldon394 Those are great ways to train! A couple of my Karate buddies, very high level guys, moved to a ranch in Northern California years ago and trained the same way. There are many many pictures of them fighting on raw uneven ground and in ponds. Then one of them lead a 24 hour practice on raw ground. No food or water, no breaks-just practice. There’s a famous, in the SKA, picture of a dozen or so guys and girls right after the practice.
For most martial arts that have large numbers of different classes, the floor is typically anything in the hall you happen to be renting..
We never used weights for kick training in our Shorin-ryu dojo; however, my sensei's teacher was Osensei Eizo Shimabukuro, who modernized Shorin ryu throughout the 20th century and may have done away with that type of training (though we did use traditional weights to train grip and arms)
Loved this Sensei yusuke
thanks!
There's some differences with TKD that may be specific to WTF TKD but not sure - ive been in 3 schools that utilize carpeted flooring that is very stiff as well as 1 school that used a more cushion/mat like flooring.
Also the school I learned TKD from had a more similar method for maegiri than ITF TKD as we were taught to pivot and rotate our hips into the kick while also aiming to not bob up and down during the transition of Weight. This method also allowed for more ease to transition from one move to the next more fluidly.
It'd be great if you commented on Joe Rogan's kicks. GSP even asked him about his kicks. I'd like to see your take on it.
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Thanks!
you have explained most the differences between karate n taekwondo , thanks for sharing
I do Muay Boran and I do the leg lifts with weight or resistance bands at times to activate the hips more and increase stability.
Make a part two of kyokushin and Okinawan
I know knees over toes guy trains hipflexors that way. according to him it should help with hip mobility and strength, which means it should help with kicks too.
Thanks for your insight!
Another very nice video, Nagano Sensei. Some Korean schools (eg. the Odokwan, which became the International Taekwondo Federation) actually do often thrust the hip forward on front kick (as you showed here with Matsubayashi-ryu). However, I should mention that, after incorporating that for a number of years myself (even though I teach TangSooDo), it can harm the hip and the sacral-iliac joint, if done too hard and repetitively for a long time. Reasons for Korean stylists often kicking from a modified back stance include making kicking with the leading leg easier and, after dropping to a back stance to avoid a frontal attack or grab before countering with a kick.
Yes. I would say that you were accurate. I've done Shorin Ryu my whole life and yes... you're observations are correct sir.
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Okinawa Karate shares with Wing Chun the small distance and the focus on low kicks. Muay Thai and Wun Hop Kuen Do (Kung Fu) both often aim at the head and emphasise hip rotation as the main source of power generation. I wonder where Karate kicks get the power they obviously have from if it's not from hip rotation? in round house kicks you will use hip rotation, right? (sorry for the naive questions, I only just started karate).
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In a roundhouse kick, we rotate the hips! But for the front kick, it's the push with the base leg!
I do okinawan karate and Muay Thai good video
In Traditional Bukan School of Krav Magá we use weights on our ankles to train our kicks
We're using tools to train in ITF TKD (at least at my school), like elastic bands and stuff.
Regarding Mae-Geri/Ap-Chagi/Front-Kick in Kukki/WT taekwondo, I find the older schools and curriculums will sometimes teach two separate versions of Mae-Geri -- a Front Snap Kick and a Front Thrust Kick. The "snap" kick is closer to the version you highlighted in Shotokan karate: the hip doesn't move much and the foot retracts more quickly. The "thrust" kick is the version where your hip extends forward farther. In more modern taekwondo, most schools will just teach an in-between version and then adapt it to the context of the training. That said, I have seen a thrust-style kick used more often in kata/poomsae competitions.
Iranian Martial arts have something called “Pahlevani and Zourkhaneh”, it is a form of training with wooden clubs that helps to develop upper body strength. All ancient martial arts focused on body strength use different methods since they used what was available, some developed more modern ways of training and training tools and some others keep their traditional ways.
I'd like to know differences in
1. kiai
2. any grappling or throws, pressure point strike?
3. use of knee or elbow
4. sparring
I train Okinawa Kenpo and our kicks use the heel (front kick), the blade (outside edge) (side kick) and top (round kick) mainly. That's not to say other parts of the foot might not be used for other kicks but those are our main ones
Some of this difference depends on the condition of the ground. Like if there is ice outside it is better to punch than to kick which may make you fall.
There are TONS of examples of different karate heads teaching the same kata different ways to different people. Sometimes they changed with time. IE: Taught it this way to students, then 10 years later taught it differently to other students. Sometimes they changed due to circumstance. IE: Taught it this way to students, then 2 days later taught it a different way to THIS student because of an injury or something. This is why there are so many SLIGHTLY different variations of the same kata.
I bring this up to say that your experience at the Okinawan Dojos, as well as the Korean Dojang is an incredibly small sample set. That PARTICULAR Shorin Ryu school trains with sashi. It doesn't mean that all do. That PARTICULAR school teaches toe kicks. But not all do.
Just something to think about and keep in mind.
Some of my instructors would train with weights. One would train in class with ankle weights on. Another refused to train in them but would walk around with ankle weights on. He figured that was less damaging to the knees. Just strap the weights on in the morning and go about your day. Then, take them off when training.
Very informative Video, nicely done...
I use ankle and wrist weights in my Taekwondo training. But even though by foundation martial art is Taekwondo I also incorporate various techniques from other martial arts into my Taekwondo. We have a thin carpet in our Dojang.
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I train uechi ryu and we use mats. It actually just depends on the school if they use mats or not.
In our EKDS(EstonianKarateDoShotokai) we try to mix things we still do things traditionaly but we try to learn some kicks and hits with diffrent style
I've found that rubber band help the strength and quick snapping kicks. I like the sachi technique with kettle bells.
If you had focused on Kata or Poomsae, you would've seen even greater differences between the same techniques. But that could've been a very long video. Stances vary greatly between WT and ITF Taekwondo. World Taekwondo is more similar to Okinawan Karate with a taller, more relaxed stance. ITF has **much** deeper stances, but not quite as deep as most Japanese Karate
I recommend you to analyze the Jido Kwan style in TKD (this is one of ten styles I guess maybe twelve recognized by the WTF), and Jido Kwan has the characteristic to have similar movements like Japanese karate styles (circular movements and stands) instead of straight movements like in Moo Duk Kwan style
thanks for the recommendation!
Am I correct in thinking the Jidokwan was heavily connected with Judo too?
@@moominpic It's possible, I learned many throwing techniques for what we call one step, two step fights that I couldn't see in other styles
@@ulrickend thanks
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You have mention Tang Soo Do or So Bahk Do, more traditional and similar to karate and is from Korea, saludos desde Costa Rica 🇨🇷
my teachers teacher taught Ryu Kyu Kempo and tuite jitsu. It then was modified to RyuTe then OyataTe old school Okinawan teacher. My teach said he did one kata amost a yr and all he heard from his teacher, Master Oyata was AGAIN..... We had a super heavy canvas punching bag in the Doja wtt around 300Lb plus. And he could put 4"inch deep crators in that bag. his punches were like a 12 gauge shotgun going off....Hitting that bag was like hitting a telephone pole wrapped in canvas
I'd love to see your reaction if you could get it on Lua vs Karate or even Lima Lama vs Karate.
In our dojo, the wooden floor has thousands of nails driven through from underneath. Toughens the feet.
Very good video. Good content.
In TKD ITF and WTF, folks will use ankle weights to increase their speed and power when kicking.
Regarding the stone padlocks on the feet, you said you don't see that in Japanese karate but please take into account that they do use those sandals or iron getas.
Well, I'm sure some do, but it's not so common!
i would say in TKD we also turn the hip in the mae geri
Yes that’s also what I commented
In WT, that seems that seems to be the case.
thanks for the insight!
in India they tie sandbags around their ankles when they practice kicking in advance kalari training
I've used weights little to train kicks and punches, but a much better and more modern option is to use elastic bands and bungee cords. Attach one end of the bungee to your ankle and the other to a wall mount and practice your kicks -- the extra force of the bungee is much more in-line with the motion of the actual kick. That said, I did like the wrist-twisting rock tool they used in the one video.
In terms of flooring, despite doing taekwondo, I prefer training on a hardwood floor. My first school had a well-made hardwood floor and I never had any issues with stability or thought of it as too hard; if we were doing more substantial falls and take-downs we would temporarily set up mats. More recently, I've been training on thin mats and it's not bad or anything, but my feet do tend to get torn up after a lot of footwork, which never happened on the hardwood.
I studied Isshin Ryu Okinawan karate. We were taught one spin in one kata. I never found a practical use for it. (Chinto kata)
I trained in an Okinawan style called Shorin-ryu before you were born. (just sayin... :-) And, recently I watched several karate videos where at least one (I believe it's well know) said that Japan learned, took karate from the original source, Okinawa. I didn't train long in Shorin-ryu, wanting to practice a more social, spiritual style of martial art. I learned about Aikido from a friend that had been training in it. As I learned about Aikido, I realized that the original martial art I learned was what was developed by farmers in Okinawa, most likely defending against the Japanese Samurai who came to claim the islands for their masters. Aikido comes from the Samurai traditions. The Aikido buki are the wooden sword, the staff, and the tanto (knife). Okinawan weapons are farm implements. Aikido has gotten a great deal of criticism over time. I feel bad until I remember watching my sensei and his son demonstrate in a very impressive fashion how effective the techniques really are. The other thing to remember is that Aikido is not a "training to fight" style. It is a training form that genuinely believes in deflecting energy and not fighting.
I agree with most of your points here except the first one. Your comparison is two entirely different types of kicks. Just about any school that teaches turning kicks is going to keep its weight on the back leg. Just as any school that teacher forward motion kick is going to transfer weight from back to front.
I think using toes, and ankles to kick with could hurt really bad. The person kicking could break their own bones even.
Thanks for your opinion!
In Kuk Sool We Train Lots leg techniques , Chicken Walk called in Korean Origi run , They also so lots pressure point Techniques all the same in al Korean Martial Arts
I used to wear leg weights when working out in Tae Keon Do. Our mats were made of wood ( the floor) or even concrete.
I just started watching your channel a few days ago. I studied Kenpo when I was in college. The style of Kenpo was the Al Tracy system. I was wondering what is the closest style of Kenpo? Thank you. Best, Steve
Hi there Sensei! Always learning something new with your videos. My today's questions are whether there is proven existence of 'ki'?what it is really? How to develop it?
I know the theory behind it, but so far I have never been able to release it. I know also that we all have an aura around our body and it can be used for power and for dim mak. Clarify me on that! Thanks beforehand
No weights but we used elastic bands to train kicking
If you ever want to come to the United States you will see how American practitioners will often combine elements of all three approaches into an eclectic system. In fact the term "American Karate" is widespread throughout the states.
American Karate sucks McDojos everywhere.