I don’t blame Oscar I blame the team for handling it poorly just like they did in Hungary. Why did they tell Lando that he will need Oscar for the championship yet when Lando needed him today to help him close the gap to Max even further the team didn’t step in? I don’t understand it.
@@ethanmoore3504nah if they're racing they should have let him race in Hungary. The point is Oscar took one and doesn't give it back. So Lando has gone from fighting Max on Thursday to now his priority has to be fighting Oscar. Not good for the team.
Remember who is Oscar’s manager and F1 mentor. A guy who believed in team orders and has been let down multiple times (Multi 21). He knows that if you want something, don’t wait for it to be handed to you… you have to take it yourself.
Absolute BS, an incomparable situation in terms of WDC and Drivers and Teams standings. Plus, Webber was completely outclassed by Vettel, which Lando is not. Oscar is being a prick and if Webber is advising him to be, it will give him an Ocon role in the public’s eyes which does matter. Team orders this season and reshuffle for the next.
Norris sticking with McLaren all these years when they were bad and now its come to this. I feel very very bad for Norris the situation he's in. Oscar shouldn't be blamed its the managements fault.
You make it out like he’s had it bad at McLaren when he’s been in a decent enough car to score points/podiums nearly every season. If he was there for the Honda engine era like Alonso where they struggled to even make the points then I’d agree but he wasn’t. It was his decision to sign the long term contract at McLaren.
I love how we all cry that this is happening to Lando, yet Vettel, Senna, Schumacher, Max and Lewis all would do the exact same thing in Oscars position
I know right. They are all talking as though Oscar has to give up his wins/positions fairly gained to Lando. It was a fair and brilliant move. If Lando has to win the championship, he has to fight 19 drivers, not 18.
@@AdhiNarayananYRIn retrospect its funny how many cried their eyes out for Norris back in Hungary and now its the same thing when, once again, he failed to keep p1 by lap 1. People love to act as if every team wants a WDC, but only drivers want that. WCC is where the bag is at. As long as McLaren keeps scoring good points (though admittedly they fumbled a good 1-2) they will allow them to race.
why should Oscar play second fiddle to Lando? They have screwed over Oscar so many times this season so why should a driven that's clearly gonna have a better future than Lando destroy his legacy so early into his career. McLaren is begging to understand that Oscar is the real deal compared to Lando in the long run.
He'll be kicking himself. Lando cant even go into a weekend with his eye on Max and Redbull, his next biggest opponent to win the championship is now the guy on the other side of the garage driving the same fast car!
It really is just circumstance to be honest. If Lando didn't give Oscar his place back in Hungary, then we all hate him. And even when he did eventually give it back, a lot of people still hate him. Honestly though this was a team blunder. Sure Oscar probably got a bit greedy and focused on fighting with his teammate, but I don't blame him partly since he is a racer and he was simply racing. On the bigger picture yes Oscar could've had the decency to play the team game and all, but it also isn't without Lando's faults. Even if Lando did better to start this time around, I still think he was playing it conservatively which probably partly lead to what just happened in the race. Honestly too many factors at play, but overall this is a team management issue and not really with the drivers themselves.
Lando has to play it conservatively, he's in a championship fight. If he DNFs, it's over, simple as. Of course he can't be as risky on the race starts as Piastri who has nothing to lose and everything to gain by giving McLaren a headache.
@@ankey7384 yeah and the team management issues will eventually lead to driver issues... it would be great to have another silver arrows head to head like with Mercedes but that ended up in near tragedy multiple times... ditto Lewis and Max in 2021... no one wants to see a driver die but if this keeps on going and Mclaren are unwilling to back Lando... fan, meet feces.
The Hungary team orders only reflect one of multiple issues at McLaren - Lando is also an underperformer in big moments. Say what you want but that is what history has shown us so far. No intended disrespect to the Landos/Leclercs/etc of F1 but it's easy for us all to say someone is a "championship caliber" driver - until an actual championship is on the line. In Lando's career, 100% (six, including today) of the races he's been on pole, he's failed to lead after the first lap - of all the years where you cannot afford for this to be the trend, it's THIS year. Surely McLaren strategy blunders are probably the biggest issue with the team but let's not act as if Norris is driving like someone who is performing head and shoulders above his teammate.
They still have the "We are happy to be here" mindset. They forgot how is to be racing winnnig team, and for that, they need to do hard calls. I dont like team orders, but they exist for a reason.
@@BasicBodThorwhat about lando Norris not being on the level of a world champion and the fact that he can’t even beat his teammate on a consistent basis is that McLaren fault
if he wanted to be the number 1 driver he should have scored more points than norris early in the season. he didn't, now he can either be number 2 or hand over the WDC to verstappen.
@@Carlos-ln8fdmate Norris ain’t catching him, I don’t blame him for not wanting to throw away his carrer just so his teamate who’s kinda shit to him can chase some champion who 80 points ahead of him. Also some of the only reasons that Norris is ahead is because he got a lucky win in Miami and Piastri had a grid place in Imola (I think) for impeding bottas, which was the teams fault not his. Which isn’t much if you think Norris will catch 80 in 7 races
Lando needs to stand up for himself. Not a fan. However, I must admit it is quite unfair to demand one guy to be a team player and let the other guy do whatever he wants. McLaren should be doing whatever it can to guarantee the Drivers Championship. What they are doing is suicidal.
Oscar's slience speaks more then his words ever cpuld in that moment. He's not interested in helping lando win the drivers , he's for himself and the constructors
In F1 there's absolute nothing wrong with all for himself. but Oscar's move at turn 4 was definitely harmful for "the constructors"... He could've easily took both of them out. Like Nico Rosberg pointed out, Lando almost spun, "very close", "you wouldn't get any closer than that."
We have a basic principle with our drivers. Its simple. If you don't want to be overtaken, drive faster. Lando thinks he is entitled to be ahead of Oscar. Meanwhile Oscar has Mark Webber vibes right now
though i support oscar over lando, oscar cant win the championship but lando can. if mclaren cares about beating max in the drivers championship they should prioritize lando and make sure he gets every point he can.
Although it did somehow end badly and awkwardly in Hungary, but I think Oscar owed Lando this time around. Not saying "owing" Lando in the sense of giving away a free win, but because there is a legitimate chance at having a run at Max. At the root of things, this is a team blunder by not being direct and strict with team orders. Sure Oscar could've handled it better and could've had the decency, but he was only partly at fault.
@@FS-me8mjLando is in a title fight and he could not afford a crash, he could not take that risk. Oscar knew it and he took advantage of that. Otherwise he would not be able to overtake lando that easily
You become a world champion by being the best, not by asking the other driver to give up their race. McLaren know that if they want to keep both drivers they have to let them race each other.
Obviously Oscar and Mark Webber had a planning session over the summer break Lando also needs to realise that its not going to be handed to him on a plate. He is racing 19 other drivers, not 18
@@udumanif he'd Thought it through he would have let Oscar past then raced him I believe he has the ability. There is something entitled in his mindset. At the moment he does not have a Senna or Schumacher or Vettel or Lauda or Prost or Häkkinen mindset. They went after it. He wants home delivery. You want the old McLaren days? Oscar has a s niff, and in 2025 it's going to be on
@@udumanwas no pressure to hand him rhe win.. . Tried to undercut Oscar.. When the leading driver should've pitted first.. Like always.. But, oh no little lando wanted to feel special.. Stop you're crying champ and live with reality..
@@matthewbeale8570but Piastri could not even close the gap and kept whining after that pitstop in Hungary. Norris slowed down 5 seconds to let Piastri through.
@@matthewbeale8570 Not sure if you watched the Hungarian GP. You have no clue what happened with the pitstops. The team asked Lando, not him, the team wanted him to box to cover Hamilton which did not really make sense. But you are exactly right, lead car usually get's priority in the pit. But they decided to pit Lando first. If they have pitted Oscar first, this would not be an issue. It was the pit wall's decision. I'm not even blaming Oscar with that strategy. Giving up the position was the right way. Lando's engineer was on the radio telling him that the he needs Oscar's help to win the championship. He needed it this race. Clearly he wasn't getting any. And this interview confirms it. I rest my case.
He just needs to race his own teammate as hard as he would race Max. It was really Lando braking far too early that cost him the lead. Can't really blame Piastri.
Yeah Lando, leave for another team where you get a contract that stipulates that you are the number 1 driver. When you leave, Oscar will still be the same & perhaps win a Drivers Championship on merit.....
@@brettjohnstone696 Oscar can't even beat Leclerc in the third fastest car with less DNFs. Win the drivers championship lmao. Piatri is a number 2 driver who thinks he's a number 1.
Oscar is the man. He will never back down. he knows his potential, its only his second year and he knows very well that IF he accepts the #2 spot ONCE its just too easy to push him into it again. any team on the grid besides Ferrari (Lec, Ham) would pick him up in a heartbeat. he is only 44 points behind Lando who trails Max by 62. He can still put himself above Lando this year. as the rookie you want to beat the teammate, as the senior driver you look outwards because you are expected to beat the rookie. lando cant afford the risks piastri takes. this is the way to go when you have two drivers of this caliber. anyone calling for team orders doesnt like racing. You liked 2017-2020? with Valtteri only being a road block? I always liked it better when Hamilton won like he did against Nico. against all odds. like a true champ. at least he earned it by the time Valtteri joined. Lando has barely won anything yet and clearly not more than Oscar.
This is what most people don't get.. Oscar winning the WDC is near impossible but passing Lando for 2nd is very possible, the way Lando is performing at the moment.
@@Makkino yeah because he's on track to beat Lando gaining two points a race. Whereas Lando can actually fight for wins on his own without team orders.
@@Makkino If Oscar steps up his Qualifying pace a bit then this year might be Landos last shot at a WDC lol. but yea. its important for Oscar not to accept second. and his manager will have steeled that into his brain because it happened to him against his will. within that narrative it is important for oscar not to finish the championship too far behind lando. so sure, if its 3 races to go and the margin is 10 points he will let him by. but not now to then finish 100 points behind lando and having that on his record because no one will remember the potential points he could have had. its important for him to control his own narrative and its important for him to get his first emotional win (his last one didnt feel right, and you could see after the last race how much he wants it).
The team told Lando in Hungary you NEED OSCAR to win this title ... So he gave him the win, now when he needs it back ..Oscar and the team don't give a crap ... embarrassing
@@nightwing8666 OK yes I know Lando technically has "#1 driver' written down somewhere on a papaya colored sticky note ... what I should have said is that doesn't seem to be 100% consistent with what is a growing perception in the media and commentators .
@@seanjermy2692 no, they repeatedly told Lando he is not a #1 driver and his attempt at the WDC will not happen one way or another... team? What team? You are on your own Lando... until we tell you to give the place back, THEN and only THEN, are we a team!
That makes Lando Senna then. 13-3 in qualifying this year, and we've seen plenty of races like Zandvort, where Piastri was a mile off Lando's pace. Whenever Piastri beats Lando (and it ain't often 😂), he's barely a tenth faster. Piastri is good. If he had entered F1 without much hype, then I'd be pleasantly surprised, but given the hype, he has failed to live up to it.
During the peak Senna-Prost era, the drivers were extremely clear that they hated each other's guts, so they had to fight among themselves. Today's McLaren hasn't reached that level of toxicity, but at the end of the day, every driver is driving for himself first and foremost (including when he's supporting his teammate because when it happens, it's his decision and/or what he thinks is the right or the best thing to do). You can't expect the #2 driver to help you all the time, because it's not his job to babysit or enable you, especially not all the way to WDC and individual glory. Mutual understanding and respect between teammates are what make a strong lineup. Team orders only work if they make sense. You can't force teammates to do this or that against their will, or whine about one being uncooperative because the other can't solve their driving problems or because the team screws up the strategies. Doing so will only provoke in-fighting and encourage drivers to take extreme measures, like crashing into each other every other race and potentially throwing away the points.
oscar is the golden boy at mclaren, when lando realises that he isnt going to help, then he needs to get his elbows out abd show them the middle finger the next time they ask him to play team games
Lando already loses 8points when he released Oscar for the first win, and now 8 points, that's a total of 16 points, he would now be 46 points from Max
How many points if Lando didn’t throw away potential wins at Imola, Spain, Austria, Silverstone and now Monza? All caused by either his own mistakes or other drivers being simply faster than him despite having the best car?
@@MindfulnessGamer Lando only really threw away a win in Spain, in Imola, the McLaren was slower than the Red Bull until the end of the race, in Austria Max happened, and in Silverstone, team incompetence kicked in. Lando’s fumbles aside from the race starts have been more on the team than anything.
Add 10 race would have been different if not for corner 4 and again strong Shumi fan here that believes in number 1 drivers principle ( happy if other people disagree but to me this is crazy and very unfair to a very loyal driver) but he I am rooting for Max so whatever
@@MindfulnessGamer So max didn't trow away in last couple season? That's a stupid thing to say.But Max has Perez to cover him and let him through when he needed, like Hamilton, Schumacher, etc., all the champions. And here, we have a situation where Lando wins the first place in a fair way and the team wants to hand over Oscar even though Oscar did not give Lando position but lost in the pitstop time. 46 points by the end was a realistic target, if it wasn't for this brat from Australia
Oscar is squeezing Lando every chance he gets knowing Lando will do anything to avoid a collision. If anything he’s the biggest obstacle now in Lando’s way. Lando has to stand his ground and DNF throwing away any chance at a championship. Good job Andrea and Zak!
Once lando shoves Oscar at the beginning and pins him in a corner once or twice he’ll get the point. Lando needs to play dirty and make the points diffeeence be impossible for Oscar thus forcing the team to also step in and with that pressure he will crack. Should have done this 3 races ago
I assume it’s a combination of multiple factors that has led to this tense situation. - Lando’s initial hesitation in giving Oscar P1 back in Hungary essentially poisoned the well. - We don’t know the fine print of Oscar’s contract, but it’s highly likely, that a manager such as Mark Webber, got Oscar a contract with special clauses in place for team orders. - Like Lando, Oscar finally tasted glory this season and both are hungry for more. He also knows, that on a good day, Lando is incapable of keeping up with him, let alone overtaking him. He will grasp every opportunity to challenge Lando’s seniority. While this situation is not ideal for anyone involved, it’s highly entertaining both on and off the track. Some of the comments even went as far as bringing up animosity between the UK and the Commonwealth. I’ll enjoy the bonfire while it lasts.
Yeah agree with everything but your first point would make oscar a hypocrite considering your 2nd point. Coz he has Webber so wouldn't he know why Lando resisted giving the win in Hungary? Coz either way he doesn't come out looking good after the Hungary drama and his recent statements now.
@@neetsk12 I don’t see how it would make him a hypocrite. Thus far, he followed the team orders given to him in his rookie year and this year, McLaren didn’t ask for Oscar to move over *yet*. As for Webber, he endured some hefty disrespect by Red Bull when he was at the team longer than Vettel and essentially helped the team iron out what was necessary for them to win four championships in a row. Vettel got preferential treatment nonetheless and the rest is history. Therefore, it would be very believable, that Webber negotiated a contract for Oscar that would limit McLaren’s use of team orders to scenarios where Oscar has no mathematical chances anymore at becoming a world champion. McLaren obviously knows that having Norris get more points to challenge Verstappen is the most logical approach. The fact that they haven’t done it, hints at there being a special clause in Oscar’s contract that doesn’t allow them to do it.
“Lando is incapable of keeping up with him” What? Piastri is slower than him in both qualifying and race trim FACT, he’s behind him in the championship FACT and the only win he has is because Lando was forced to give it to him despite being much faster and putting seconds over him while lando was on older tires too lmao FACT
David Coulthard “ Absolutely brilliant stuff from Oscar Piastri“ Joylon Palmer “That could be move of the season!” The Race “It was brilliant and perfectly judged, Norris claiming if Piastri had braked one meter later and they would both have been off is irrelevant because Piastri didn’t ” Will Buxton “Did Oscar pull off one of the moves of the season, 100% that was a gutsy brilliantly executed move” Peter Windsor “What a racer what a move cannot criticize him in any way”
I don’t really understand why people say about team orders…. Lando had a messy start… again…. and at the end he was more than 3 seconds back. If he was less than 1 second back or in general faster than Oscar I would understand. Let them race and may the best man win.
@@quigglyz too bad this sports is based on numbers and spreadsheet and not who is mentally strong. What can his mental strength do when he can't even be consistent close to Lando? If he's so good why doesn't he have more points and wins than Lando coz he also has the fastest car.
Oscar didn't do anything wrong but he also needs to be reminded of what's at stake and the risks involved. He's only at fault in hindsight obviously. Overtaking Lando could be fine but what made it worse was that, of all people, it was Charles who took advantage and proceeded to drive a race for the ages. As Lando it sucks that he gave up Hungary because management messed up again.
He's not obviously at fault at all. He's racing. He clearly didn't disobey team orders or that would be made clear by the team and Lando. What are the risks involved? Lando has screwed his own championship himself far more than Oscar overtaking him in Monza, and the Hungary situation.
Sounds salty on my part sorry lol just wondering. If it was Lando closer in the WDC for instance, and Oscar was asked to help a couple of times, I'm pretty sure he would. But it seems to me Lando has been kind of his own worst enemy this year, and Oscar shouldn't be asked to compromise his own season to fix Lando's mistakes.
@@arthurvandelaney5470 if Piastri isn't bothered to help his teammate win a championship then he can kiss goodbye when he needs teamorders. Don't expect Norris to listen to team orders like in Hungary again.
@@paperplane-db8qf was he asked to let Norris by? If not why would anyone expect him to instigate a swap? He was driving quali laps until the end, he’s not thinking about anything else. I do agree though, I doubt Norris would swap again, but not as some sort of payback, just because it’s too desperate now.
@@caydenph2741 there is no title fight unless max forgets how to drive he will be a 4 time world champion come abu dhabi,why give team orders to begin with? just let them race it's fun for everyone that way
@@nicktarasidis4860 8 races to go and 63 point difference. There is a fight, especially because if we consider that Norris finishes with a 7 point difference from Verstappen every race, the end of the season will be a 7 point difference to Verstappen.
@@nicktarasidis4860max finished behind Ferrari and Mclaren - would've been Mercedes too if Russell's race didn't get screwed. Even Max himself said things are looking pretty bad
No, but he could have crashed into Lando causing a DNF. Oscar did a risky move only to end up P2, and points loss to Verstappan.This is not Oscars fault, the team are throwing it away.
Mark Webber is Oscars manager and is very well aware of team orders, being a number two driver and having a team mate who doesn't play by the book. I think Mark wants to put right all the wrongs he had to endure and instill that into Oscar which for all you Lando fans isn't good news. Whilst we don't know the finer details of Landos contract it appears that he didn't ask for a number one driver clause and Mclaren very well knew what they were doing when they got rid of Daniel for Oscar. Danny Ric would have been the ideal number 2 for Lando as he is more compliant to team orders and less agressive than Oscar. Now Lando has to keep an eye on his teammate which will make 2025 and 2026 at Mclaren exciting.
Lando was in a title fight and that was why he could not afford any crash and could not take the risk and yielded. Oscar knew it and he took advantage of that. Otherwise he would not so easily overtook Lando at that turn. I’m not saying Oscar isn’t able to overtake at all but it is clear that Lando didn’t defend as aggressively as he could.
When Mclaren said to Norris in Hungary that he would need Piastri in the future they were obviously talking about situations were Piastri would be ahead of Norris due to weird circumstances like when Norris was ahead of Piastri because McLaren undercut him to protect against Hamilton in Hungary. That's completely different to giving up a position you earned on merit.
Lando's biggest error was allowing someone in a team meeting to refer to the rules of engagement as "papaya rules". Had he slapped the shit out of that person and demanded that those words never be uttered again for the rest of eternity, I am quite sure he wouldn't be dealing with these issues.
Keep in mind Oscar can still pass Lando for second place in the championship, if Lando doesn't keep it up. So it's perfectly understandable that they let them fight for it. The last thing they want is making Piastri a 2nd driver to Norris, talented as he is. And then they could risk loosing him. Either way McLaren is heavily favoured to win the constructors championship and that's what really matters to them, anything else is a bonus. Let racers be racers.
For that oscar needs to get poles every race or qualify P2 when Lando gets pole coz in track oscar has never overtaken any other driver on pole except Lando coz of his bad starts. Also, oscars quali is shit and his tyre deg is also shit.
Oscar has found a loop hole in the “Papaya rules”… If he fights aggressively in the beginning and passes Lando: 1. Lando will concede and avoid the crash (for the team) 2. Team position orders will remain in place for the remainder of the race regardless of who is faster
Oscar is only 44 points behind Lando with 10 races to go. That's nothing. Lando has thrown away 3 out of 4 poles and even today with two undercuts couldn't get the better of Oscar. Oscar is nobody's Bottas.
And either could oscar do any better. Oscar can only overtake the P1 driver if it's Lando coz of his horrible starts. Dude cannot overtake anyone else and get P1 😂 They're both bottas at this point and their fans act like they're lewis.
Anybody who wants F1 to be whatever they desire should switch to movies bcz one of the biggest entertainment of sports is unpredictability. Doesn't matter if it feels right or wrong, you can never blame an f1 driver for racing bcz that's what he's exactly supposed to do. Always knew Piastri is a fighter & will never lay down to be dominated, pretty sure there's couple or more races he'll win if McLaren has the best car ahead.
That is why currently this is the best season of f1 for me since the seb 2010-2011 RBR days, and even 2012, when you never knew who was going to get pole or win the race. Like you’d put your bets on seb but it was so open. You had Ferrari McLaren and RBR all fighting constantly.
Piastri gave up and started begging for team orders in Hungary. A fighter lmao. Yeah when his rivals cannot afford to take risks of crashing out. Piastri can't even get 1 pole, has 0 legiitimate wins. Just very good at propaganda and PR.
I think what surprised Lando is that he assumed he was safe from attack from his teammate so he focused his attention to defending against Russell and Leclerc.
Go watch it on tv, not just the highlight on YT. This is the second time Lando gave up his position to Oscar, and yeah I mean it. If it was Max, Lando would expect that overtake and defend it. But since it was his teammate, he didn't even defend it that hard.
@@paperplane-db8qf I was talking about his mentality, but his driving weaknesses will only improve over time. When it comes to skill, mentality, and overall racecraft Oscar has the higher ceiling.
@@pizzaman207 Mentality lmao. Yeah it’s easy to take stupid risks while he’s not fighting for a title. Where was Piastri’s race craft in Zaandvorth where Lando easily overtook Max while Piastri can’t even overtake Russell and Leclerc? Piastri is a number 2 like Webber. Thinks he’s number 1 and has few good performances but overall dominated by his teammate and unable to fight for championships.
@@paperplane-db8qf Oscar hasn’t taken any stupid risks. Just because he got around Lando doesn’t make him stupid. It shows his race raft, blame the team you support for Lando’s shortcomings not Oscar. Lando needs to get a better attitude and stop being a spoiled child.
Mark Webber isn’t going to let Oscar make the same mistakes he made. Oscar also talks with Alonso a lot. Neither Alonso, Max or Lewis would help their team mate win a title over themselves.
To be fair to Mark he never accepted the role of no.2 driver like Checo/Bottas/Rubens etc. He fought Seb with everything he had. It was just that RedBull had decided that Seb got priority treatment.
@@diangara3298 to be fair, ultimately he didn’t have enough to beat Seb. Seb also didn’t give him a choice, he took those titles and wouldn’t accept being a #2. None of the multiple WDC’s would. Just like the others, Vettel was fast and ruthless, Mark wasn’t. RB only prioritized the driver with the best chance. Vettel made sure that was him and RB respected him more for that killer instinct. I think that’s the lessen Mark learned and is making sure Oscar is that guy if Lando isn’t. McLaren need and want a guy like that. They won’t dump Oscar for ignoring orders, they’ll actually respect him for it.
@@seashackf1 Not being able to beat your teammate isn't the same thing as accepting the role of no.2 driver. One is going down fighting, the other is agreeing to not fight in the 1st place.
@@diangara3298 fine, I’ll clarify that. Webber wasn’t as fast or ruthless as Vettel. If you need proof of that see 2010-‘13. I agree, Webber went down fighting and wasn’t good enough to beat Vettel. He wasn’t number two, but he did play the team game and Vettel didn’t. Webber was fast on his day, but he wasn’t multi WDC fast and certainly not as ruthless as Alonso, Max, Lewis, Schumi, Vettel, Senna, etc. Webber had an equal shot in ‘10 to be WDC. He had much more experience and proven speed than the very young Vettel. Vettel seized the opportunity took the title and with it Webbers confidence.Ultimately Webber is no better than Rubens or Bottas.
Yeah like Oscar winning in Hungary. Absolutely disgraceful. Must be the first time in F1 history a driver had to slow down 7s to let a mediocre driver win due to team orders.
Whern the lights go out it's every racer for himself well that'how it always used to be. Let everyone do their thing to win. Oscar overtake best overtake move of 2024 and Lando knows it. It was brilliant and now Lando knows that Oscar is not playing around and is one of the best. He looks rattled like when Hendrix came on the scene Dave Gilmore knew it was over.
McLaren - if they had been smart - could have won both the constructors' and drivers' championships. That they don't work out that correctly shows that they are a mess. It could well backfire and they lose both. The action of Piastri in lap 1 gave Leclerc the chance. Hadn't he done that, then both could have more easily drive away from the rest of the field.
Maybe Lando should have had a better first lap. He gave that lead away by braking far too early. Oscar was nearly a meter ahead of him going into the corner. Lando needs to be better.
mclaren have a simple policy. the team goes for WCC, which stands above all as they make the car. the drivers are both free to pursue their individual WDC as long as they dont risk the teams WCC. its a good long term tactic. Drivers take the accolades and leave when the team who has given everything struggles. so from an entrepreneurial (and thats zack brown for you) point of view its the best approach. will they sacrifice oscar at some point? yes they will ask him to, no guarantee he will agree. but that point isnt with 8 races to go and him trailing lando by 44 and lando trailing max by 62. that point comes with 3 races to go and lando being within 20 points and oscar out of contention. you dont like racing? dont watch it. you guys got too used to teams catering to one driver. its sad, really.
You must be new here. McLaren are the Leonardo DaVinci of creating driver civil wars through piss-poor management, distain , bad blood and sheer driver management incompetence. This is nothing new for the big M.
@@youbetu18 You say: "the drivers are both free to pursue their individual WDC as long as they dont risk the teams WCC" Now that is the point: Piastri's action in the first lap gave Leclerc an opportunity to overtake Norris... AND if they would have touched each other... So this action certainly risked and even managed to harm the chances for the WCC.
i hate what Mclaren are doing to Lando. Does he not deserve their help? Did Andrea not say that Lando needs the team to help him win the championship? What a liar. I think Lando should go beast mode on lap 1 with Oscar next time. The way they are doing this, they wont win any drivers championships unless no other team can challenge them. Lando, you probably won't win the championship vs Max. You might as well just focus on beating Oscar, because it seems Oscar does not really care about the drivers championship - the only thing he wants is to beat you.
Norris seems very kind to the team. a good mannered lad. Probably his manager will slap on the table to wake McLaren up and have them choice lando as their main contender to get the championship in the bag.
Lmfao... Norris is nothing but a perpetual child.. A whinging pom.. Compared to his team mate. And that's why he'll never be wdc and will play second fiddle to Oscar next season..
Norris is anything but good mannered. Have you heard how he talks to his engineer on the radio? Remember when he bottled the win in Russia and told his engineer to "SHUT UP" when asked about changing to inters? He is a spoiled child.
He should get himself a mentor like oscar has Webber. That plays a huge role in how you're treated by the team. He needs someone like seb or rosberg or one of the old british WDC behind him to get his way in the team.
@@TomBoss123 Russia was in 2021? It's 2024 lad. Wake the f up. Every driver gets aggravated when they're under pressure. Even charles who is the the most humble of them all. Have you heard how kimi, max, tsunoda, etc react with the slightest inconvenience? Lando has grown up since, listen to his recent radios.
@@losmioi who ever wins the WDC deserved it. that's the entirety of f1 mindset. Also RB has always had a clear No.1 and No. 2 driver. Merc also did that with Lewis and Valtteri. McLaren don't have that structure in place, there is no number one driver
@@nicolekovala Really? I remember Oscar being completely unable to catch up and the team having to effectively force Lando, begging and pleading and nearly threatening him, to give Oscar the win.
All Championship winners have that killer instinct………only one has that at McLaren, management know it and don’t know how to handle it without upsetting the other person.
WTF are you on about champ. You speak nothing but bs. It was already disgust Oscar deserved that win.. Lando the perpetual child tried to undercut.. When Oscar should have been the first to pit.. Being the lead driver.. Lando"s bum needs a lick champ.. You should get on it..
But where would he go? McLaren is the fastest car now. I just hope he fixes his starts coz that's the only thing he lacks. If he fixes that he's gonna leave oscar in the dust like in zandvoort coz he showed the pace he has and his tyre management in clean air. Need him to prove it to McLaren with his wins and show them the finger.
@@quigglyz when did he cry? Last time I checked he wasn't crying to have his teammate gift him any of his wins 😂 McLaren wouldn't want another oscar instead of Lando coz then both of them wouldn't have any wins or as many points. Ask the petulant Aussie to step up and win his own race first.
No, it’s not tough. It’s really not. I’m a Red Bull fan and the idea that McLaren isn’t doing everything it can for Lando is insane. Lando is scoring points for days that are helping the team win the constructors. Yet the TEAM is doing nothing for Lando’s very real championship fight. After years of loyalty to them, he’s got a real chance, and they’re sending it down the shitter who the hell knows what reason. If Piastri was close, I’d get it, let them fight, but they aren’t. This is madness.
Why would they alienate their best driver just because their other driver is a crybaby? You people are delusional. Oscar will be the clear #1 next year.
So Lando should crash into Oscar doing a legal overtake, giving himself a penalty? Or worse, knock himself out of the race? To prove what, that he's a sad loser? Not to mention that he would be heavily reprimanded by his team. You also assume that Oscar wouldn't try to overtake again after being shunted by Lando the first time. Oscar doesn't scare that easily I'm afraid.
Everyone hoping for team orders to help Lando close the gap more easily yet if this was Max needing Perez help all would be fuming that he’s got assistance.
Max did get assistance and that's how he won the first time? Just like lewis got? As a Lando fan I do not want team orders coz Lando is already doing although not that great, but he's still doing it on his own and getting points. Definitely didn't need oscar with his 2 wins, doesn't need him later. He needs to fix his starts coz the rest is pretty good. Oscar pulled that move on Lando only coz Lando left him space coz team player. Dude needs to fix his starts and drive elbows out.
FYI, redbull were already asking for him , so he took the opportunity to ask his dad to use it as a leverage against McLaren so he could driver for a home team. Without his dad, he'd still be in f1.
Skilled In what? 😂 Quali top 3 every race? Consistently on the podium like his teammate? He's skilled only when his teammate is on pole and he's P2 coz that dude bottles his starts. He definitely showed his skills in zandvoort, stuck behind a red tractor having the fastest car.
I get the argument for Oscar to help lando especially after the whole Hungary thing but let's not make out that lando hasn't had multiple opportunities to be closer to max. So why should piastri a god tier racer just move aside everytime compromising his chances of race wins which are hard to come by.
If Lando wants to win a WDC he needs to consistently DOMINATE his far less experienced teammate. Unfortunately that isn't the case, he hasn't shown he has that in him. So in the fastest car he is going to be splitting results with Osc which tells me everything i need to know about his realistic title chances. Its not going to happen, its never going to happen but i already knew that after Sochi. I saw all i needed to see that day. Fair play to Piastri, he won't be a doormat.
@@ineedya123 I love how anyone who's replied doesn't actually have anything of relevance to say to my comment but I'm going to take a bet I've seen more than you in 32+ years of watching F1 races. If you think I'm wrong, tell me how? Don't get salty at me because you haven't seen enough to get the minutiae of it all.
If Lando wants team orders, he needs to definitively claim the "#1 Driver for the rest of the season" on his own. He hasn't, so it remains a race, and Oscar is already preparing for his 2025 campaign. If you Brits think you are salty now, wait until this time next year when Lando is receiving team orders to prioritise Oscar after battling it out for all of 2024. They should just set a black and white points threshold. "If you're with 50 points of the championship by mid-season break, you get priority for the second half of the season."
Too bad for you, the lad doesn't want gifted wins like his teammate. Maybe first ask him to win a race without any favours first. Lando is not WDC but oscar's stats are worse than Lando and you oscar fans act like he's the next senna. Y'all were awfully quiet in zandvoort. One or 2 races he is ahead of Lando and y'all lose your mind 🤡
His only win was a favour by Lando. He definitely needed Lando then 😂 are you sleeping while the races happen? It's the other way around hun. Lando although has just 2 wins earnt it on his own. Lando definitely doesn't need team orders to gift him wins and doesn't need oscar for that. Too bad oscar couldn't cry to stella to blackmail charles into gifting him another win 😂
I think there's many past examples of this exact situation between previous team mates I'd like to highlight the Lewis bottas pairing how many times didn't bottas have to sacrifice he's race or play cover man for Lewis but in the end he did it even though it pained him to do yet he still did it and where's he today the team thought nothing of him even though he was the best team player mercedes could've asked for Lewis himself said it then also mark webber knows well and true how red bull favored vettel over him numerous times and he's Oscar's manager so he'll be damned if the same were to happen to Oscar cause he's got 1st hand experience of it....and it's totally unfair I mean lando is not a few points behind max he's still got a gap to fill before he's on maxes heels so for now I agree with how things are playing out as Zak brown said they've got 2 no.1 drivers lando is not way above Oscar cause Oscar holds he's own and is right up there with lando so what do you do diminish one driver over another that's throwing a long shot in the short term and ruin the long run weigh the pros and cons and see how it balances out
@@matthewbeale8570 ask him to get a win on his own first. Lando 2 wins bottlejob still has more wins and points than your 2025 no.1 guy 😂 he can only overtake Lando and get P1 and no other drivers.
The “typical British press” would be reacting exactly the same if say Leclerc was in the title fight yet Sainz was being favoured. This has nothing to do with Lando being British. It’s about common sense and basic math to see that Lando could possibly win the wdc yet McLaren are self sabotaging their situation by not favouring him wherever they can. Again if it was reversed and Piastri was able to get the wdc but Lando was being favoured, the media would call out the bad decisions being made. Your “British bias” comment is classic keyboard warrior reactionary nonsense.
I'm agree with you, but they need to prioritise the driver who has more points, even Oscar shows that he's struggled to chase a car in the fort for him, and he needs to learn how to keep the tyres a little bit fresh than the competitors.
Oscar is a talented race car driver. The team orders were to race and Lando couldn't catch Oscar. Fans want to see a race, not a gifted race and WDC, that's what the salty Lando fangirls want, Lando needs to help himself.
Lando doesn't deserve to win that WDC. He's got a rocketship under him and still can't put it together. If max wins it'll be unbelievable and embarrassing for mclaren. I can't imagine the scenes if max had that car...1st every race no doubt. Lando isn't that guy
Both drivers don't deserve it and neither does McLaren deserve the Wcc. Coz they're literally fighting only max and they've still not caught up with 2 drivers. They operate like they're still a mid field team with their horrible strategies.
Remember the Team saying to Lando "You need Oscars to win championship" that aged like a fine wine
hahahaha
Piastri is and always will be the better driver, English crybabies can't get over it.
Go shag a kangaroo mate . 😅@@arkangelarkangel1302
@@arkangelarkangel1302where was this better driver last week? If he's better why is Norris ahead in the wdc ranking despite the handout at Hungary?
@@arkangelarkangel1302🤣🤣🤣 the head to head stats beg to differ.
I don’t blame Oscar I blame the team for handling it poorly just like they did in Hungary. Why did they tell Lando that he will need Oscar for the championship yet when Lando needed him today to help him close the gap to Max even further the team didn’t step in? I don’t understand it.
They are handling it perfectly. Everyone hates team orders , now they are whining when a team is making the sporting choice. Get over it
@@micsunday14 Seriously tho, people complain when driver's don't race and now they are upset that racers are racing!
People flamed Ferrari, Mercedes and RB for prioritizing 1 driver and now want exactly that from McLaren
@@ethanmoore3504nah if they're racing they should have let him race in Hungary. The point is Oscar took one and doesn't give it back. So Lando has gone from fighting Max on Thursday to now his priority has to be fighting Oscar. Not good for the team.
@@MindfulnessGamer There's nothing to understand.
It just doesn't make any sense and McLaren is proving to be incapable of handling the situation.
McLaren acts like underdogs, even though they aren’t now
Yep, huge difference in mentality compared to the Ron Dennis era at the team. This present day McLaren team doesn’t know how to win.
Well they still are behind in both championships and have only won two races on pace.
@@micsunday14 they could have won more if strategy/driver(s) has more experience
@@cancunale1 fair point. Perhaps two more wins for sure.
Midfield mentality. Both the team and the drivers.
Remember who is Oscar’s manager and F1 mentor. A guy who believed in team orders and has been let down multiple times (Multi 21). He knows that if you want something, don’t wait for it to be handed to you… you have to take it yourself.
Absolute BS, an incomparable situation in terms of WDC and Drivers and Teams standings. Plus, Webber was completely outclassed by Vettel, which Lando is not. Oscar is being a prick and if Webber is advising him to be, it will give him an Ocon role in the public’s eyes which does matter.
Team orders this season and reshuffle for the next.
@@marvik95outclassed. When they stripped webbers car of the upgrade when vettel crashed his.
The wanker Webber? More of a hindrance.
@@gold6813LOL literally this, Vettel was Red Bulls child and they showed crazy favoritism.
Lando will race against Oscar with ELBOWS OUT from now on…. A crash will come
Norris sticking with McLaren all these years when they were bad and now its come to this. I feel very very bad for Norris the situation he's in. Oscar shouldn't be blamed its the managements fault.
You make it out like he’s had it bad at McLaren when he’s been in a decent enough car to score points/podiums nearly every season. If he was there for the Honda engine era like Alonso where they struggled to even make the points then I’d agree but he wasn’t. It was his decision to sign the long term contract at McLaren.
It's Lewis/Nico all over again.
Landos dad paid 27 million for him to be on the team so you'd think they would hook it up with team orders
I agree. McLaren were shocking, and Norris should not have to ask.
@@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677 really? Crazy
I love how we all cry that this is happening to Lando, yet Vettel, Senna, Schumacher, Max and Lewis all would do the exact same thing in Oscars position
I know right. They are all talking as though Oscar has to give up his wins/positions fairly gained to Lando. It was a fair and brilliant move. If Lando has to win the championship, he has to fight 19 drivers, not 18.
Sort of. Oscar's never played dirty or cheated like Vettel, Schumacher, and Max.
@@karenjonstone8763 I suppose there’s that, Oscar’s actually been cleaner than them
@@AdhiNarayananYR Thank you for facts
@@AdhiNarayananYRIn retrospect its funny how many cried their eyes out for Norris back in Hungary and now its the same thing when, once again, he failed to keep p1 by lap 1.
People love to act as if every team wants a WDC, but only drivers want that.
WCC is where the bag is at. As long as McLaren keeps scoring good points (though admittedly they fumbled a good 1-2) they will allow them to race.
"Lando, you are going to need Oscar if you are going to win the Title" KEK, aged like milk under the brightest sunlight
why should Oscar play second fiddle to Lando? They have screwed over Oscar so many times this season so why should a driven that's clearly gonna have a better future than Lando destroy his legacy so early into his career. McLaren is begging to understand that Oscar is the real deal compared to Lando in the long run.
Shouldn’t have listened to those team orders in hindsight.
He'll be kicking himself. Lando cant even go into a weekend with his eye on Max and Redbull, his next biggest opponent to win the championship is now the guy on the other side of the garage driving the same fast car!
It really is just circumstance to be honest. If Lando didn't give Oscar his place back in Hungary, then we all hate him. And even when he did eventually give it back, a lot of people still hate him.
Honestly though this was a team blunder. Sure Oscar probably got a bit greedy and focused on fighting with his teammate, but I don't blame him partly since he is a racer and he was simply racing. On the bigger picture yes Oscar could've had the decency to play the team game and all, but it also isn't without Lando's faults.
Even if Lando did better to start this time around, I still think he was playing it conservatively which probably partly lead to what just happened in the race.
Honestly too many factors at play, but overall this is a team management issue and not really with the drivers themselves.
Lando has to play it conservatively, he's in a championship fight. If he DNFs, it's over, simple as. Of course he can't be as risky on the race starts as Piastri who has nothing to lose and everything to gain by giving McLaren a headache.
@@ankey7384 yeah and the team management issues will eventually lead to driver issues... it would be great to have another silver arrows head to head like with Mercedes but that ended up in near tragedy multiple times... ditto Lewis and Max in 2021... no one wants to see a driver die but if this keeps on going and Mclaren are unwilling to back Lando... fan, meet feces.
The Hungary team orders only reflect one of multiple issues at McLaren - Lando is also an underperformer in big moments. Say what you want but that is what history has shown us so far. No intended disrespect to the Landos/Leclercs/etc of F1 but it's easy for us all to say someone is a "championship caliber" driver - until an actual championship is on the line. In Lando's career, 100% (six, including today) of the races he's been on pole, he's failed to lead after the first lap - of all the years where you cannot afford for this to be the trend, it's THIS year. Surely McLaren strategy blunders are probably the biggest issue with the team but let's not act as if Norris is driving like someone who is performing head and shoulders above his teammate.
Why are mclaren throwing away this chance at wdc
Because they don't have the balls to make the required team orders
They still have the "We are happy to be here" mindset. They forgot how is to be racing winnnig team, and for that, they need to do hard calls.
I dont like team orders, but they exist for a reason.
Also the constructors championship is more valuable to the team. That's where the money is at.
@@BasicBodThorwhat about lando Norris not being on the level of a world champion and the fact that he can’t even beat his teammate on a consistent basis is that McLaren fault
Lando has bottled so many wins that it doesn't matter how bad McLaren strategy is
Oscar has a world champion mindset, end of story. Oscar helping Norris at this stage will cement his status as a no. 2 driver.
if he wanted to be the number 1 driver he should have scored more points than norris early in the season. he didn't, now he can either be number 2 or hand over the WDC to verstappen.
@@Carlos-ln8fd it was all apart of the bigger picture plan, everything is starting to fall in its right place.
@@Carlos-ln8fdmate Norris ain’t catching him, I don’t blame him for not wanting to throw away his carrer just so his teamate who’s kinda shit to him can chase some champion who 80 points ahead of him. Also some of the only reasons that Norris is ahead is because he got a lucky win in Miami and Piastri had a grid place in Imola (I think) for impeding bottas, which was the teams fault not his. Which isn’t much if you think Norris will catch 80 in 7 races
@@NoName-j4r5n piastri was P13 in miami. he has had 3 P8 finishes this season. compare that to Norris who has been on the podium ten times already.
@@Carlos-ln8fd piastri was 13 after being in the lead, getting unlucky with the stop then crashed into by sainz. And piastri has 8 podiums
Lando needs to stand up for himself. Not a fan. However, I must admit it is quite unfair to demand one guy to be a team player and let the other guy do whatever he wants.
McLaren should be doing whatever it can to guarantee the Drivers Championship. What they are doing is suicidal.
Oscar's slience speaks more then his words ever cpuld in that moment. He's not interested in helping lando win the drivers , he's for himself and the constructors
In F1 there's absolute nothing wrong with all for himself. but Oscar's move at turn 4 was definitely harmful for "the constructors"... He could've easily took both of them out. Like Nico Rosberg pointed out, Lando almost spun, "very close", "you wouldn't get any closer than that."
@@yibozhao1012 not just the constructors but his position in the drivers as well
We have a basic principle with our drivers. Its simple. If you don't want to be overtaken, drive faster. Lando thinks he is entitled to be ahead of Oscar. Meanwhile Oscar has Mark Webber vibes right now
@@yibozhao1012Nico plenty of times faught Lewis AGGRESSIVELY, he should shut his hypocrite yap
How is he for the constructors if he is costing his team an easy 1-2 finish?
though i support oscar over lando, oscar cant win the championship but lando can. if mclaren cares about beating max in the drivers championship they should prioritize lando and make sure he gets every point he can.
Exactly, Oscar will get his chance, maybe next season and maybe he might need his team mates help at some point.
Although it did somehow end badly and awkwardly in Hungary, but I think Oscar owed Lando this time around. Not saying "owing" Lando in the sense of giving away a free win, but because there is a legitimate chance at having a run at Max.
At the root of things, this is a team blunder by not being direct and strict with team orders. Sure Oscar could've handled it better and could've had the decency, but he was only partly at fault.
@Andy-oc3ew He's messing up the karma on that though
You fight for championship, yeah. You don't get gifted championship for your birthday. If Oscar is doing better than Norris, then let it be.
@@FS-me8mjLando is in a title fight and he could not afford a crash, he could not take that risk. Oscar knew it and he took advantage of that. Otherwise he would not be able to overtake lando that easily
You become a world champion by being the best, not by asking the other driver to give up their race. McLaren know that if they want to keep both drivers they have to let them race each other.
As if Schumacher, Hamilton and Verstappen were not helped tremendously by team orders. Be real mate
@@ClaudioMartella Lando is not driving like any of those. That’s why he can’t finish lap 1 ahead when starting on pole.
@@ClaudioMartella exactly which is why those teams were toxic for the second driver.
Yet the team bullied Lando into giving Piastri the Hungary win….
@@MizzesBload of bs. You’re the one crying here
Obviously Oscar and Mark Webber had a planning session over the summer break
Lando also needs to realise that its not going to be handed to him on a plate. He is racing 19 other drivers, not 18
He was. Until the team pressured him to hand it back to Oscar in Hungary.
@@udumanif he'd Thought it through he would have let Oscar past then raced him
I believe he has the ability. There is something entitled in his mindset. At the moment he does not have a Senna or Schumacher or Vettel or Lauda or Prost or Häkkinen mindset. They went after it. He wants home delivery. You want the old McLaren days? Oscar has a s niff, and in 2025 it's going to be on
@@udumanwas no pressure to hand him rhe win.. . Tried to undercut Oscar.. When the leading driver should've pitted first.. Like always.. But, oh no little lando wanted to feel special.. Stop you're crying champ and live with reality..
@@matthewbeale8570but Piastri could not even close the gap and kept whining after that pitstop in Hungary. Norris slowed down 5 seconds to let Piastri through.
@@matthewbeale8570 Not sure if you watched the Hungarian GP. You have no clue what happened with the pitstops. The team asked Lando, not him, the team wanted him to box to cover Hamilton which did not really make sense. But you are exactly right, lead car usually get's priority in the pit. But they decided to pit Lando first. If they have pitted Oscar first, this would not be an issue. It was the pit wall's decision. I'm not even blaming Oscar with that strategy. Giving up the position was the right way. Lando's engineer was on the radio telling him that the he needs Oscar's help to win the championship. He needed it this race. Clearly he wasn't getting any. And this interview confirms it. I rest my case.
F the team At this point Lando ...
He just needs to race his own teammate as hard as he would race Max. It was really Lando braking far too early that cost him the lead. Can't really blame Piastri.
Uhmm he lost to his own teammate because Lando wasn’t good enough to beat a year 2 rookie…
F Lando... 😂 Oscar's just more talented anyways.
Yeah Lando, leave for another team where you get a contract that stipulates that you are the number 1 driver. When you leave, Oscar will still be the same & perhaps win a Drivers Championship on merit.....
@@brettjohnstone696 Oscar can't even beat Leclerc in the third fastest car with less DNFs. Win the drivers championship lmao. Piatri is a number 2 driver who thinks he's a number 1.
Oscar is the man. He will never back down. he knows his potential, its only his second year and he knows very well that IF he accepts the #2 spot ONCE its just too easy to push him into it again. any team on the grid besides Ferrari (Lec, Ham) would pick him up in a heartbeat. he is only 44 points behind Lando who trails Max by 62. He can still put himself above Lando this year.
as the rookie you want to beat the teammate, as the senior driver you look outwards because you are expected to beat the rookie. lando cant afford the risks piastri takes.
this is the way to go when you have two drivers of this caliber. anyone calling for team orders doesnt like racing. You liked 2017-2020? with Valtteri only being a road block? I always liked it better when Hamilton won like he did against Nico. against all odds. like a true champ. at least he earned it by the time Valtteri joined. Lando has barely won anything yet and clearly not more than Oscar.
This is what most people don't get.. Oscar winning the WDC is near impossible but passing Lando for 2nd is very possible, the way Lando is performing at the moment.
@@Makkino yeah because he's on track to beat Lando gaining two points a race. Whereas Lando can actually fight for wins on his own without team orders.
@@Makkino If Oscar steps up his Qualifying pace a bit then this year might be Landos last shot at a WDC lol.
but yea. its important for Oscar not to accept second. and his manager will have steeled that into his brain because it happened to him against his will. within that narrative it is important for oscar not to finish the championship too far behind lando. so sure, if its 3 races to go and the margin is 10 points he will let him by. but not now to then finish 100 points behind lando and having that on his record because no one will remember the potential points he could have had. its important for him to control his own narrative and its important for him to get his first emotional win (his last one didnt feel right, and you could see after the last race how much he wants it).
@@Makkinothe way Lando is performing at the moment, you'll think he finished P19
The team told Lando in Hungary you NEED OSCAR to win this title ... So he gave him the win, now when he needs it back ..Oscar and the team don't give a crap ... embarrassing
How was Oscar supposed to five it back with Charles behind him? It was impossible.
‘Senior driver in terms of years” … that pretty much says it all about who is #1 at McLaren 😂
Really? Because zach brown said that there are'2 #1 drivers at mclaren" and there absoluetely were 0 team orders today. who's the #1 driver?
it doesn’t say shit
@@AraBalaji Lando is obviously the no. 1 driver but McLaren are a bunch of amateurs. They don't want to win WDC.
@@nightwing8666 OK yes I know Lando technically has "#1 driver' written down somewhere on a papaya colored sticky note ... what I should have said is that doesn't seem to be 100% consistent with what is a growing perception in the media and commentators
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@@seanjermy2692 no, they repeatedly told Lando he is not a #1 driver and his attempt at the WDC will not happen one way or another... team? What team? You are on your own Lando... until we tell you to give the place back, THEN and only THEN, are we a team!
what a awkward post press conference
McLaren haven't got a rookie in Piastri, they've got a Prost
That makes Lando Senna then. 13-3 in qualifying this year, and we've seen plenty of races like Zandvort, where Piastri was a mile off Lando's pace. Whenever Piastri beats Lando (and it ain't often 😂), he's barely a tenth faster. Piastri is good. If he had entered F1 without much hype, then I'd be pleasantly surprised, but given the hype, he has failed to live up to it.
These kids are not senna and prost
They wish they were
@@MizzesBignore him mate he’s just a lando fan inhaling compium
@@dereksbooks It’s still early for these two. As the team progresses in the coming years it’ll come down to points and wins
Ha, ha, ha NO!
Piastri carries himself as if he's been in F1 for 10 years. He also understands when he doesn't need to say anything either.
Norris: we're still working together well, we're still helping one another.
Oscar: yeah nah. You help me, i don't help you.
During the peak Senna-Prost era, the drivers were extremely clear that they hated each other's guts, so they had to fight among themselves. Today's McLaren hasn't reached that level of toxicity, but at the end of the day, every driver is driving for himself first and foremost (including when he's supporting his teammate because when it happens, it's his decision and/or what he thinks is the right or the best thing to do). You can't expect the #2 driver to help you all the time, because it's not his job to babysit or enable you, especially not all the way to WDC and individual glory.
Mutual understanding and respect between teammates are what make a strong lineup. Team orders only work if they make sense. You can't force teammates to do this or that against their will, or whine about one being uncooperative because the other can't solve their driving problems or because the team screws up the strategies. Doing so will only provoke in-fighting and encourage drivers to take extreme measures, like crashing into each other every other race and potentially throwing away the points.
oscar is the golden boy at mclaren, when lando realises that he isnt going to help, then he needs to get his elbows out abd show them the middle finger the next time they ask him to play team games
Lando already loses 8points when he released Oscar for the first win, and now 8 points, that's a total of 16 points, he would now be 46 points from Max
How many points if Lando didn’t throw away potential wins at Imola, Spain, Austria, Silverstone and now Monza? All caused by either his own mistakes or other drivers being simply faster than him despite having the best car?
@@MindfulnessGamer Lando only really threw away a win in Spain, in Imola, the McLaren was slower than the Red Bull until the end of the race, in Austria Max happened, and in Silverstone, team incompetence kicked in. Lando’s fumbles aside from the race starts have been more on the team than anything.
Add 10 race would have been different if not for corner 4 and again strong Shumi fan here that believes in number 1 drivers principle ( happy if other people disagree but to me this is crazy and very unfair to a very loyal driver) but he I am rooting for Max so whatever
@@striker31Lmao Lando himself admitted first half he made "way too many mistakes" Why cope when he at least is honest about his short comings?
@@MindfulnessGamer So max didn't trow away in last couple season? That's a stupid thing to say.But Max has Perez to cover him and let him through when he needed, like Hamilton, Schumacher, etc., all the champions. And here, we have a situation where Lando wins the first place in a fair way and the team wants to hand over Oscar even though Oscar did not give Lando position but lost in the pitstop time. 46 points by the end was a realistic target, if it wasn't for this brat from Australia
i'm liking this man more and more each day
Oscar is squeezing Lando every chance he gets knowing Lando will do anything to avoid a collision. If anything he’s the biggest obstacle now in Lando’s way. Lando has to stand his ground and DNF throwing away any chance at a championship. Good job Andrea and Zak!
This!
I agree, Lando will tolerate this for now, but next year he won't do it
Once lando shoves Oscar at the beginning and pins him in a corner once or twice he’ll get the point. Lando needs to play dirty and make the points diffeeence be impossible for Oscar thus forcing the team to also step in and with that pressure he will crack. Should have done this 3 races ago
Norris has no one to blame but himself. Want to be the champion? Drive like one and remove all doubt.
I assume it’s a combination of multiple factors that has led to this tense situation.
- Lando’s initial hesitation in giving Oscar P1 back in Hungary essentially poisoned the well.
- We don’t know the fine print of Oscar’s contract, but it’s highly likely, that a manager such as Mark Webber, got Oscar a contract with special clauses in place for team orders.
- Like Lando, Oscar finally tasted glory this season and both are hungry for more. He also knows, that on a good day, Lando is incapable of keeping up with him, let alone overtaking him. He will grasp every opportunity to challenge Lando’s seniority.
While this situation is not ideal for anyone involved, it’s highly entertaining both on and off the track. Some of the comments even went as far as bringing up animosity between the UK and the Commonwealth.
I’ll enjoy the bonfire while it lasts.
Yeah agree with everything but your first point would make oscar a hypocrite considering your 2nd point. Coz he has Webber so wouldn't he know why Lando resisted giving the win in Hungary? Coz either way he doesn't come out looking good after the Hungary drama and his recent statements now.
@@neetsk12 I don’t see how it would make him a hypocrite. Thus far, he followed the team orders given to him in his rookie year and this year, McLaren didn’t ask for Oscar to move over *yet*. As for Webber, he endured some hefty disrespect by Red Bull when he was at the team longer than Vettel and essentially helped the team iron out what was necessary for them to win four championships in a row. Vettel got preferential treatment nonetheless and the rest is history. Therefore, it would be very believable, that Webber negotiated a contract for Oscar that would limit McLaren’s use of team orders to scenarios where Oscar has no mathematical chances anymore at becoming a world champion. McLaren obviously knows that having Norris get more points to challenge Verstappen is the most logical approach. The fact that they haven’t done it, hints at there being a special clause in Oscar’s contract that doesn’t allow them to do it.
“Lando is incapable of keeping up with him”
What? Piastri is slower than him in both qualifying and race trim FACT, he’s behind him in the championship FACT and the only win he has is because Lando was forced to give it to him despite being much faster and putting seconds over him while lando was on older tires too lmao FACT
Norris needs to do a Rosberg / Hamilton/ sainz and just drive how he wants . Honestly. He won’t get anywhere if he doesn’t make himself the villain.
David Coulthard
“ Absolutely brilliant stuff from Oscar Piastri“
Joylon Palmer
“That could be move of the season!”
The Race
“It was brilliant and perfectly judged, Norris claiming if Piastri had braked one meter later and they would both have been off is irrelevant because Piastri didn’t ”
Will Buxton
“Did Oscar pull off one of the moves of the season, 100% that was a gutsy brilliantly executed move”
Peter Windsor
“What a racer what a move cannot criticize him in any way”
exactly.
Oscar drives like a grizzled war vet. Lando drives like an entitled teenager.
Mark and oscar did some plotting over the break. Time for phase two😈
I don’t really understand why people say about team orders…. Lando had a messy start… again…. and at the end he was more than 3 seconds back. If he was less than 1 second back or in general faster than Oscar I would understand. Let them race and may the best man win.
Charles should have said im 24 points behind you, watch ya back 😂😂😂😂
Sick of GB press pushing the agenda soooo hard for GB drivers. Who's to say that Piastri won't be team leader by end of this season?
The championship table.
😂😂 he won’t. He’s too far behind.
@@ThatsMrMaxHeadroomToYou Attitude matters more than some fucking spreadsheet, friend. Piastri is #1 driver material. Lando is a scared little boy.
@@quigglyz too bad this sports is based on numbers and spreadsheet and not who is mentally strong. What can his mental strength do when he can't even be consistent close to Lando? If he's so good why doesn't he have more points and wins than Lando coz he also has the fastest car.
Oscar didn't do anything wrong but he also needs to be reminded of what's at stake and the risks involved. He's only at fault in hindsight obviously. Overtaking Lando could be fine but what made it worse was that, of all people, it was Charles who took advantage and proceeded to drive a race for the ages. As Lando it sucks that he gave up Hungary because management messed up again.
He's not obviously at fault at all. He's racing. He clearly didn't disobey team orders or that would be made clear by the team and Lando. What are the risks involved? Lando has screwed his own championship himself far more than Oscar overtaking him in Monza, and the Hungary situation.
Sounds salty on my part sorry lol just wondering. If it was Lando closer in the WDC for instance, and Oscar was asked to help a couple of times, I'm pretty sure he would. But it seems to me Lando has been kind of his own worst enemy this year, and Oscar shouldn't be asked to compromise his own season to fix Lando's mistakes.
Exactly
@@arthurvandelaney5470 if Piastri isn't bothered to help his teammate win a championship then he can kiss goodbye when he needs teamorders.
Don't expect Norris to listen to team orders like in Hungary again.
@@paperplane-db8qf was he asked to let Norris by? If not why would anyone expect him to instigate a swap? He was driving quali laps until the end, he’s not thinking about anything else.
I do agree though, I doubt Norris would swap again, but not as some sort of payback, just because it’s too desperate now.
what do you want him to say? Yes I will move over everytime lando is behind me?
It's not like he has moved once to begin with it, while Lando has it.
@@caydenph2741 there is no title fight unless max forgets how to drive he will be a 4 time world champion come abu dhabi,why give team orders to begin with? just let them race it's fun for everyone that way
@@nicktarasidis4860
8 races to go and 63 point difference.
There is a fight, especially because if we consider that Norris finishes with a 7 point difference from Verstappen every race, the end of the season will be a 7 point difference to Verstappen.
@@nicktarasidis4860max finished behind Ferrari and Mclaren - would've been Mercedes too if Russell's race didn't get screwed. Even Max himself said things are looking pretty bad
No, but he could have crashed into Lando causing a DNF. Oscar did a risky move only to end up P2, and points loss to Verstappan.This is not Oscars fault, the team are throwing it away.
If Lando doesn’t win the championship with that car, it will go down as the biggest fail in F1 history
Zak brown is becoming a Binotto 2.O
Mark Webber is Oscars manager and is very well aware of team orders, being a number two driver and having a team mate who doesn't play by the book. I think Mark wants to put right all the wrongs he had to endure and instill that into Oscar which for all you Lando fans isn't good news. Whilst we don't know the finer details of Landos contract it appears that he didn't ask for a number one driver clause and Mclaren very well knew what they were doing when they got rid of Daniel for Oscar.
Danny Ric would have been the ideal number 2 for Lando as he is more compliant to team orders and less agressive than Oscar. Now Lando has to keep an eye on his teammate which will make 2025 and 2026 at Mclaren exciting.
Oscar WDC 2025. I'm calling it.
Lando had 50 laps to overtake oscar 😂. And he even got the undercut what else he need more? Remove tyres of piastri car when he pits? 😂😂
For Oscar everything is for Oscar and about Oscar.... it's clear since that contract debacle at Alpine.
Lando was in a title fight and that was why he could not afford any crash and could not take the risk and yielded. Oscar knew it and he took advantage of that. Otherwise he would not so easily overtook Lando at that turn. I’m not saying Oscar isn’t able to overtake at all but it is clear that Lando didn’t defend as aggressively as he could.
Rubbish.
Maybe Lando should stop fucking up his starts and first laps 🤷♂🤷♂
When Mclaren said to Norris in Hungary that he would need Piastri in the future they were obviously talking about situations were Piastri would be ahead of Norris due to weird circumstances like when Norris was ahead of Piastri because McLaren undercut him to protect against Hamilton in Hungary.
That's completely different to giving up a position you earned on merit.
The first syllable of that sentence is probably most accurate.
Lando's biggest error was allowing someone in a team meeting to refer to the rules of engagement as "papaya rules". Had he slapped the shit out of that person and demanded that those words never be uttered again for the rest of eternity, I am quite sure he wouldn't be dealing with these issues.
Keep in mind Oscar can still pass Lando for second place in the championship, if Lando doesn't keep it up. So it's perfectly understandable that they let them fight for it. The last thing they want is making Piastri a 2nd driver to Norris, talented as he is. And then they could risk loosing him. Either way McLaren is heavily favoured to win the constructors championship and that's what really matters to them, anything else is a bonus.
Let racers be racers.
For that oscar needs to get poles every race or qualify P2 when Lando gets pole coz in track oscar has never overtaken any other driver on pole except Lando coz of his bad starts. Also, oscars quali is shit and his tyre deg is also shit.
Oscar has found a loop hole in the “Papaya rules”… If he fights aggressively in the beginning and passes Lando:
1. Lando will concede and avoid the crash (for the team)
2. Team position orders will remain in place for the remainder of the race regardless of who is faster
Rubbish.
Oscar is only 44 points behind Lando with 10 races to go. That's nothing. Lando has thrown away 3 out of 4 poles and even today with two undercuts couldn't get the better of Oscar. Oscar is nobody's Bottas.
And either could oscar do any better. Oscar can only overtake the P1 driver if it's Lando coz of his horrible starts. Dude cannot overtake anyone else and get P1 😂
They're both bottas at this point and their fans act like they're lewis.
@@neetsk12 I'm not a fan of either, so... meh?
Anybody who wants F1 to be whatever they desire should switch to movies bcz one of the biggest entertainment of sports is unpredictability. Doesn't matter if it feels right or wrong, you can never blame an f1 driver for racing bcz that's what he's exactly supposed to do. Always knew Piastri is a fighter & will never lay down to be dominated, pretty sure there's couple or more races he'll win if McLaren has the best car ahead.
That is why currently this is the best season of f1 for me since the seb 2010-2011 RBR days, and even 2012, when you never knew who was going to get pole or win the race. Like you’d put your bets on seb but it was so open. You had Ferrari McLaren and RBR all fighting constantly.
Piastri gave up and started begging for team orders in Hungary. A fighter lmao. Yeah when his rivals cannot afford to take risks of crashing out.
Piastri can't even get 1 pole, has 0 legiitimate wins. Just very good at propaganda and PR.
@@paperplane-db8qf Thought only Lewis fans were delusional but it appears Lando has them too.
All drivers should stop racing and let Lando win.
You're not getting it. That's not what we're saying at all
I think what surprised Lando is that he assumed he was safe from attack from his teammate so he focused his attention to defending against Russell and Leclerc.
Go watch it on tv, not just the highlight on YT. This is the second time Lando gave up his position to Oscar, and yeah I mean it. If it was Max, Lando would expect that overtake and defend it. But since it was his teammate, he didn't even defend it that hard.
@@Nick-mt4wk Kind of true though look at how much room Lando gives when oscar attacks... he wouldn't do that with another driver
@@Nick-mt4wk hi handsome, want my number?
It ain’t that easy lando eh? Remember what you’ve said about hamilton, vettel before? 😂😂
Oscar got that DOG in him.
And aside from racing Max hard in Austria, Lando has shown that he doesn't have that ruthless dog in him.
Yeah all bark and no bite. That's why he's getting dominated in every statistic and his only race win is a gifted team order win.
@@paperplane-db8qf I was talking about his mentality, but his driving weaknesses will only improve over time. When it comes to skill, mentality, and overall racecraft Oscar has the higher ceiling.
@@pizzaman207 Mentality lmao. Yeah it’s easy to take stupid risks while he’s not fighting for a title.
Where was Piastri’s race craft in Zaandvorth where Lando easily overtook Max while Piastri can’t even overtake Russell and Leclerc?
Piastri is a number 2 like Webber.
Thinks he’s number 1 and has few good performances but overall dominated by his teammate and unable to fight for championships.
@@paperplane-db8qf Oscar hasn’t taken any stupid risks. Just because he got around Lando doesn’t make him stupid. It shows his race raft, blame the team you support for Lando’s shortcomings not Oscar. Lando needs to get a better attitude and stop being a spoiled child.
Mark Webber isn’t going to let Oscar make the same mistakes he made. Oscar also talks with Alonso a lot. Neither Alonso, Max or Lewis would help their team mate win a title over themselves.
To be fair to Mark he never accepted the role of no.2 driver like Checo/Bottas/Rubens etc. He fought Seb with everything he had. It was just that RedBull had decided that Seb got priority treatment.
@@diangara3298 to be fair, ultimately he didn’t have enough to beat Seb. Seb also didn’t give him a choice, he took those titles and wouldn’t accept being a #2. None of the multiple WDC’s would. Just like the others, Vettel was fast and ruthless, Mark wasn’t. RB only prioritized the driver with the best chance. Vettel made sure that was him and RB respected him more for that killer instinct. I think that’s the lessen Mark learned and is making sure Oscar is that guy if Lando isn’t. McLaren need and want a guy like that. They won’t dump Oscar for ignoring orders, they’ll actually respect him for it.
@@seashackf1 Not being able to beat your teammate isn't the same thing as accepting the role of no.2 driver. One is going down fighting, the other is agreeing to not fight in the 1st place.
@@seashackf1 And to say Webber wasn't fast and ruthless is ridiculous.
@@diangara3298 fine, I’ll clarify that. Webber wasn’t as fast or ruthless as Vettel. If you need proof of that see 2010-‘13. I agree, Webber went down fighting and wasn’t good enough to beat Vettel. He wasn’t number two, but he did play the team game and Vettel didn’t.
Webber was fast on his day, but he wasn’t multi WDC fast and certainly not as ruthless as Alonso, Max, Lewis, Schumi, Vettel, Senna, etc. Webber had an equal shot in ‘10 to be WDC. He had much more experience and proven speed than the very young Vettel. Vettel seized the opportunity took the title and with it Webbers confidence.Ultimately Webber is no better than Rubens or Bottas.
“It’s for the team” is a pretty clear statement
Mclaren fumbled bad, especially considering they gave away a Norris win to Piastri already
Yeah. Teams only care for WCC. I thought it was obvious at this point.
Team orders are disgraceful, dishonorable and unsportsmanlike. Always amazes me how many F1 fans think this is OK.
Genuine question here, but why are there teams in F1 if the cars don't act like a team? Seems fans would rather have 20 different teams competing.
Yeah like Oscar winning in Hungary. Absolutely disgraceful.
Must be the first time in F1 history a driver had to slow down 7s to let a mediocre driver win due to team orders.
@@jpark77041 Because it's a race and winning the race by each individual driver should take priority over the the prerogatives of any team.
Whern the lights go out it's every racer for himself well that'how it always used to be. Let everyone do their thing to win. Oscar overtake best overtake move of 2024 and Lando knows it. It was brilliant and now Lando knows that Oscar is not playing around and is one of the best. He looks rattled like when Hendrix came on the scene Dave Gilmore knew it was over.
McLaren - if they had been smart - could have won both the constructors' and drivers' championships. That they don't work out that correctly shows that they are a mess. It could well backfire and they lose both. The action of Piastri in lap 1 gave Leclerc the chance. Hadn't he done that, then both could have more easily drive away from the rest of the field.
Maybe Lando should have had a better first lap. He gave that lead away by braking far too early. Oscar was nearly a meter ahead of him going into the corner. Lando needs to be better.
Lando should have been a better rear gunner once Piastri was past him.
mclaren have a simple policy. the team goes for WCC, which stands above all as they make the car. the drivers are both free to pursue their individual WDC as long as they dont risk the teams WCC. its a good long term tactic. Drivers take the accolades and leave when the team who has given everything struggles. so from an entrepreneurial (and thats zack brown for you) point of view its the best approach.
will they sacrifice oscar at some point? yes they will ask him to, no guarantee he will agree. but that point isnt with 8 races to go and him trailing lando by 44 and lando trailing max by 62. that point comes with 3 races to go and lando being within 20 points and oscar out of contention.
you dont like racing? dont watch it. you guys got too used to teams catering to one driver. its sad, really.
You must be new here.
McLaren are the Leonardo DaVinci of creating driver civil wars through piss-poor management, distain , bad blood and sheer driver management incompetence. This is nothing new for the big M.
@@youbetu18 You say: "the drivers are both free to pursue their individual WDC as long as they dont risk the teams WCC" Now that is the point: Piastri's action in the first lap gave Leclerc an opportunity to overtake Norris... AND if they would have touched each other... So this action certainly risked and even managed to harm the chances for the WCC.
Oscar owes Lando 1
Probably the dumbest team in Formula One. They make Ferraris decision making seem perfectly sound
i hate what Mclaren are doing to Lando. Does he not deserve their help? Did Andrea not say that Lando needs the team to help him win the championship? What a liar.
I think Lando should go beast mode on lap 1 with Oscar next time.
The way they are doing this, they wont win any drivers championships unless no other team can challenge them.
Lando, you probably won't win the championship vs Max. You might as well just focus on beating Oscar, because it seems Oscar does not really care about the drivers championship - the only thing he wants is to beat you.
Norris seems very kind to the team. a good mannered lad. Probably his manager will slap on the table to wake McLaren up and have them choice lando as their main contender to get the championship in the bag.
Lmfao... Norris is nothing but a perpetual child.. A whinging pom.. Compared to his team mate. And that's why he'll never be wdc and will play second fiddle to Oscar next season..
Norris is anything but good mannered. Have you heard how he talks to his engineer on the radio? Remember when he bottled the win in Russia and told his engineer to "SHUT UP" when asked about changing to inters? He is a spoiled child.
@@TomBoss123Makes you realise how little has changed in all that time with him. And that being the case I'm not sure what will change in the future.
He should get himself a mentor like oscar has Webber. That plays a huge role in how you're treated by the team. He needs someone like seb or rosberg or one of the old british WDC behind him to get his way in the team.
@@TomBoss123 Russia was in 2021? It's 2024 lad. Wake the f up. Every driver gets aggravated when they're under pressure. Even charles who is the the most humble of them all. Have you heard how kimi, max, tsunoda, etc react with the slightest inconvenience? Lando has grown up since, listen to his recent radios.
I mean Lando did have all race to catch him, and they were given the clearance to race. He was always beyond 1 seconds from Oscar though.
If Norris needs Oscar to carry him to the championship, then he doesn't deserve it.
Did Lewis and Max deserved their championships. Got carried by Valteri and Checo.
@@losmioi who ever wins the WDC deserved it. that's the entirety of f1 mindset.
Also RB has always had a clear No.1 and No. 2 driver. Merc also did that with Lewis and Valtteri. McLaren don't have that structure in place, there is no number one driver
If Oscar needs Lando to carry him to his maiden win, then he doesn't deserve it.
that’s not what happened lol ^
@@nicolekovala Really? I remember Oscar being completely unable to catch up and the team having to effectively force Lando, begging and pleading and nearly threatening him, to give Oscar the win.
All Championship winners have that killer instinct………only one has that at McLaren, management know it and don’t know how to handle it without upsetting the other person.
Lando should leave McLaren…Max would never put up with this garbage…lets all remember Oscar did not deserve that win in Hungary
WTF are you on about champ. You speak nothing but bs. It was already disgust Oscar deserved that win.. Lando the perpetual child tried to undercut.. When Oscar should have been the first to pit.. Being the lead driver.. Lando"s bum needs a lick champ.. You should get on it..
Lando and Max aren't even close in anything. Lando is weak in pressure moments.
Lando is a weak driver. There are tons of potential Oscar Piastris waiting for seats. Why hire a whiny crybaby like Lando?
But where would he go? McLaren is the fastest car now. I just hope he fixes his starts coz that's the only thing he lacks. If he fixes that he's gonna leave oscar in the dust like in zandvoort coz he showed the pace he has and his tyre management in clean air. Need him to prove it to McLaren with his wins and show them the finger.
@@quigglyz when did he cry? Last time I checked he wasn't crying to have his teammate gift him any of his wins 😂 McLaren wouldn't want another oscar instead of Lando coz then both of them wouldn't have any wins or as many points. Ask the petulant Aussie to step up and win his own race first.
No, it’s not tough. It’s really not. I’m a Red Bull fan and the idea that McLaren isn’t doing everything it can for Lando is insane.
Lando is scoring points for days that are helping the team win the constructors. Yet the TEAM is doing nothing for Lando’s very real championship fight.
After years of loyalty to them, he’s got a real chance, and they’re sending it down the shitter who the hell knows what reason.
If Piastri was close, I’d get it, let them fight, but they aren’t. This is madness.
Why would they alienate their best driver just because their other driver is a crybaby? You people are delusional. Oscar will be the clear #1 next year.
I would never want to win a title by someone handing me the race. A title should be earned.
I fully expect them crashing into each other this season, lol, Lando wont back off the next time Oscar pulls dangerous move
So Lando should crash into Oscar doing a legal overtake, giving himself a penalty? Or worse, knock himself out of the race? To prove what, that he's a sad loser? Not to mention that he would be heavily reprimanded by his team. You also assume that Oscar wouldn't try to overtake again after being shunted by Lando the first time. Oscar doesn't scare that easily I'm afraid.
Major Lewis and Nico vibes
Team McLaren is taking over what Team Ferrari was doing behind the pit wall. SMH!
Everyone hoping for team orders to help Lando close the gap more easily yet if this was Max needing Perez help all would be fuming that he’s got assistance.
Max did get assistance and that's how he won the first time? Just like lewis got? As a Lando fan I do not want team orders coz Lando is already doing although not that great, but he's still doing it on his own and getting points. Definitely didn't need oscar with his 2 wins, doesn't need him later. He needs to fix his starts coz the rest is pretty good. Oscar pulled that move on Lando only coz Lando left him space coz team player. Dude needs to fix his starts and drive elbows out.
this is a clear example of the other end of a team “letting them race” sometimes u jus need a actual leader not a supervisor
Norris worked hard for everything his father gave him.
Like niki lauda, max, george and most drivers except lance.
FYI, redbull were already asking for him , so he took the opportunity to ask his dad to use it as a leverage against McLaren so he could driver for a home team. Without his dad, he'd still be in f1.
@@neetsk12 it's a sport for spoiled rich kids, that's for sure
@@therealquaid1694 true this ain't football, the only negative about it is how elitist this sport is
I’m getting real vibes of a classic McLaren teammate rivalry…
Piastri knows he is getting closer to Norris, he knows he is probably more skilled.
Skilled In what? 😂 Quali top 3 every race? Consistently on the podium like his teammate? He's skilled only when his teammate is on pole and he's P2 coz that dude bottles his starts. He definitely showed his skills in zandvoort, stuck behind a red tractor having the fastest car.
I get the argument for Oscar to help lando especially after the whole Hungary thing but let's not make out that lando hasn't had multiple opportunities to be closer to max. So why should piastri a god tier racer just move aside everytime compromising his chances of race wins which are hard to come by.
If Lando wants to win a WDC he needs to consistently DOMINATE his far less experienced teammate. Unfortunately that isn't the case, he hasn't shown he has that in him.
So in the fastest car he is going to be splitting results with Osc which tells me everything i need to know about his realistic title chances. Its not going to happen, its never going to happen but i already knew that after Sochi. I saw all i needed to see that day.
Fair play to Piastri, he won't be a doormat.
Points so far suggest otherwise 🎉🎉🎉
"suggest" isn't exactly a firm reality though is it buddy
You really aren't watching the races, like at all.
@@ineedya123 I love how anyone who's replied doesn't actually have anything of relevance to say to my comment but I'm going to take a bet I've seen more than you in 32+ years of watching F1 races.
If you think I'm wrong, tell me how?
Don't get salty at me because you haven't seen enough to get the minutiae of it all.
Agree
If Lando wants team orders, he needs to definitively claim the "#1 Driver for the rest of the season" on his own. He hasn't, so it remains a race, and Oscar is already preparing for his 2025 campaign.
If you Brits think you are salty now, wait until this time next year when Lando is receiving team orders to prioritise Oscar after battling it out for all of 2024.
They should just set a black and white points threshold. "If you're with 50 points of the championship by mid-season break, you get priority for the second half of the season."
Too bad for you, the lad doesn't want gifted wins like his teammate. Maybe first ask him to win a race without any favours first. Lando is not WDC but oscar's stats are worse than Lando and you oscar fans act like he's the next senna. Y'all were awfully quiet in zandvoort. One or 2 races he is ahead of Lando and y'all lose your mind 🤡
Oscar does not need Lando to win a championship...maybe Lando needs Oscar but that ain't happening. Go Oscar!
His only win was a favour by Lando. He definitely needed Lando then 😂 are you sleeping while the races happen? It's the other way around hun. Lando although has just 2 wins earnt it on his own. Lando definitely doesn't need team orders to gift him wins and doesn't need oscar for that. Too bad oscar couldn't cry to stella to blackmail charles into gifting him another win 😂
Next time send it into Oscars Rear tyre and say (In Lewis’s voice) “He turned right into me”
Oscar has been getting a bit cocky with his responses lately but if lando said anything like that he gets ripped to shreds. Double standards
Exactly oscar has been a bit of a snob lately
@@morning_star8230 his comment about stroll was mean as well like he’s bad but that’s borderline disrespectful
That's cuz we like Oscar. Lando is a whiny entitled crybaby.
I think there's many past examples of this exact situation between previous team mates I'd like to highlight the Lewis bottas pairing how many times didn't bottas have to sacrifice he's race or play cover man for Lewis but in the end he did it even though it pained him to do yet he still did it and where's he today the team thought nothing of him even though he was the best team player mercedes could've asked for Lewis himself said it then also mark webber knows well and true how red bull favored vettel over him numerous times and he's Oscar's manager so he'll be damned if the same were to happen to Oscar cause he's got 1st hand experience of it....and it's totally unfair I mean lando is not a few points behind max he's still got a gap to fill before he's on maxes heels so for now I agree with how things are playing out as Zak brown said they've got 2 no.1 drivers lando is not way above Oscar cause Oscar holds he's own and is right up there with lando so what do you do diminish one driver over another that's throwing a long shot in the short term and ruin the long run weigh the pros and cons and see how it balances out
No Team orders please! Clearly McLaren supporting their younger driver.
they both young LOL
Lmfao.. How many races difference between the two? Oscar proving once again. He'll be the number one driver next season..
@@matthewbeale8570 ask him to get a win on his own first. Lando 2 wins bottlejob still has more wins and points than your 2025 no.1 guy 😂 he can only overtake Lando and get P1 and no other drivers.
Mark Webber vibes
And the typical British press bias starting to show....
The “typical British press” would be reacting exactly the same if say Leclerc was in the title fight yet Sainz was being favoured. This has nothing to do with Lando being British. It’s about common sense and basic math to see that Lando could possibly win the wdc yet McLaren are self sabotaging their situation by not favouring him wherever they can.
Again if it was reversed and Piastri was able to get the wdc but Lando was being favoured, the media would call out the bad decisions being made.
Your “British bias” comment is classic keyboard warrior reactionary nonsense.
@@lewisjones4158 SILENCE BRIT
Whinging Poms comes to mind...
How willingly did Lando follow team orders again?
not very
Yet he did
Better than Piastri
@@paperplane-db8qfwhen did Piastri get team orders??
@@nicolekovala the overtake was against team orders. It was stupidly aggressive high risk and cost Norris positions to Leclerc.
oscar`s neck is huge mate
It suggests if he Piastri, cannot win the Drivers title, he is prepared to ensure his team mate doesn't win it either.
You win the races you get to world champion ya big girl
Seb won his first championship when there was no hope - Oscar deserves his shot if he’s faster !
Should've said the same in Hungary. If you don't want team orders then don't beg for it.
@@paperplane-db8qf Oscar didn't beg for it
@@quigglyz maybe we watched different races then. He begged for a free pass thrice on radio. Maybe go listen to it again.
Zandvoort : nope.
He can't expect Piastri to hand it to him when he's this far away. Grow a pair and work for it, and stop whinging!
Hopefully they'll lose both championships. Great team, great Papaya rules 😂😂😂
Yeah i really hope so. Bunch of idiots. And also the idiots here still defending Peroni Piastri.
They'll win at least one title easily, friend. And next year, Oscar will be WDC and 40 points ahead of Lando.
I'm agree with you, but they need to prioritise the driver who has more points, even Oscar shows that he's struggled to chase a car in the fort for him, and he needs to learn how to keep the tyres a little bit fresh than the competitors.
Now going forward, Norris will take the win, whatever the team orders be.
Oscar is a talented race car driver. The team orders were to race and Lando couldn't catch Oscar. Fans want to see a race, not a gifted race and WDC, that's what the salty Lando fangirls want, Lando needs to help himself.
Lando doesn't deserve to win that WDC. He's got a rocketship under him and still can't put it together. If max wins it'll be unbelievable and embarrassing for mclaren. I can't imagine the scenes if max had that car...1st every race no doubt. Lando isn't that guy
Both drivers don't deserve it and neither does McLaren deserve the Wcc. Coz they're literally fighting only max and they've still not caught up with 2 drivers. They operate like they're still a mid field team with their horrible strategies.
Champion ships are earned not given Clowns, Stop pissing in Landos pocket he might keep up the fight