Hell Yeah! As a former Boss351C engine owner, I am really looking forward to seeing the revitalization and rebirth of the 351C platform using Tim's block. I love the sound of a high revving Cleveland! I follow his channel too, and I really enjoy watching both yours and Tim's channel content. I appreciate all of the engine wisdom you share with us Ben.
This New Drag Boss Cleveland is certainly a game changer. About time somebody has taken the initiative to develop and manufacture this block. And a really big thanks to Tim at Dragboss Garage. And thank you Ben for a great video. And again, great teaching Ben. Happy New Year. 🙏
Tim is one hell of a nice guy and he never pretends he knows it all! On Clevelands, he has a lot of information and for that I thank him for keeping the legendary engine around for many more years!
Back in the 80’s I helped some guys put together a killer Cleveland. We sent the off to Roush and had the exhaust ports replaced and the heads ported. He put the engine and a lot more in to one kid’s 66 Mustang. They put a tube frame in the car with a full cage, Built C6 and 0” rear and. When pro stock was running 8.50’s the car ran 8.72 on the first run, but he had entered the 8.90 class and didn’t get it de tuned enough to run in that class. When his Dad, who had funded the car, freaked out because this was supposed to be a street car and the boy was 18, still in High School. They yanked the engine and sold it and he went back to the 289.
I had issues with very fast cars and kids at the wheel. Many times I have asked to talk to their parents to let them know what we are doing and do it at a legitimate racetrack.
@@benalamedaracing2765are you coming to Phoenix, or Tucson? I’d love to meet you and learn more of what you do. My dream was to open a speed shop, and build a car, engine mostly, that would draw in customers. I never got things off the ground, but I did work for a local company that built engines and we did some minor hotrodding. I think the wildest thing we built was a 430 BBC, destroyed 454, that we did most of them machining on. The customer took the heads to be ported elsewhere as we didn’t do full porting work. We did gasket match and smooth out the bowls kind of thing. My Machinest ported his heads there using Mopar templates, but otherwise we didn’t do that kind of work because there are gains to be made, but if you doo it wrong you can hurt flow. Anyway this customer put the 430 into a chevette and the first time out he didn’t run wheelie bars and flipped the car onto the roof. He didn’t shut the engine down and it ran long enough to run dry, no oil getting anywhere. But I put together a program for them that increased net profits from $170,000 a year to $2,2000,000 the next year. The problem with that was the owner had 6 boys who wanted to take over the business, so there was no way to grow. If there had been I would have stayed there. Loved the work we did though. Anyway, thanks for all the videos!
@@benalamedaracing2765p.s. it’s a long story, but I had a hand in the SVO cylinder heads ford sold in the 90’s that were later improved by Yates for nascar. All three port sizes to keep the velocity for smaller engines to full our race o key type heads!
Ben, I know Tim pretty well. both personally and through the professional ranks. He is the credible real deal and a great guy to boot. He would not have gone forward with this Cleveland Block if it didn't pass muster. Much improved over the O.E. Cleveland which is rapidly becoming much more difficult to locate. To those doubters that bring up misaligned lifter bores, etc, these blocks need to be machined and finished to the engine builder's and competitor's satisfaction. So certain criticisms may be moot. In addition to Ben's Channel, don't forget to visit and subscribe to "DragBoss Garage" and Happy New Year to all!
Hi ben. Im from Australia. These Chinese blocks are here too local guys have had to bush lifter bores because they are way out of whack. Its what the market needs here though. Good too see new cleveland blocks.
Yes had one years ago and the lifter bore was horrible at best! lol I spent more time prepping than actually building it because the owner wanted to save money to he bought the crap and I ended up working on the horrible block and I said never again! Obtw, aluminum FE blocks are not better by a long shot.
Thanks for the Shout out Ben. I am pretty excited about these blocks. Working on a video now of the priority oiling. One is at Warren Johnson’s to be evaluated. Try calling later, as he was going to start evaluating this week. I was told that these blocks have had sonic testing and eval for lifter bore location. We will see what WJ says. Next order I requested, Sonic sheets, which they will provide to me. Appreciate you looking out for me. Gearing up for the next transformation to DBG, DBG U for university. Darin Morgan has joined DragBoss Garage, and we will be having a membership. I will be having many in the industry, presenting topics and info for their products. If you are interested, can include you on some topics you may find interesting. DBG will also have its own parts supplier. Thank you Ben Alameda, stay tuned for something for you 😊🏁
@@DragBoss351Cleveland Thank you as well Tim for your efforts on behalf of the blue blooded hi-po followers! I feel I can contribute views on the grass roots level and run things the majority can afford, as well as looking at the pro's and mimicking their innovations while getting results that are consistent and repeatable.
I still remember when friends of mine started Eliminator Engine Blocks I gave them the Boss 429 front main and a set of steel 4 bolt main caps and that’s how it started / the old days .
Always liked the Cleveland Engine, Boss 302s I’m glad to see the new engine blocks out . Blue print engines 302 have 4 bolt mains now ,fix the old design better . The 1970 351c is the Boss 351 almost the same hp but hyd lifters and nonajustable rocker arms/ carb. To bad it wasn’t out in 1969
I had a 69 and sold it to get my Mach 1 with a toploader and 351C! I moved and got divorced and never let go off it including my 68 my XR7 Cougar! Had both since the early 80's.
I did and have to find it wherein I am describing how cam timing separation gets drastically different with standard ports vs high ports. I will come back and post it here.
Tim's block sure is a HUGE step forward, but I still feel a little more meat between bores will be the ticket, not easy, I know, but that, imo, is the one and only Clevo weak point, I had some 4V's and no problems with anything, they sure take a lickin', great motor
Good video thanks for all the information didn’t know about all those details about the Cleveland block. My hot rod I street raced back years ago which I still have is a 1971 Torino Cobra with the Factory 351C 4v and 4speed with locker factory lower gears 350 gears I think but not sure. I put a bigger hot rod camshaft and a 800cfm carb on it. It outran everything that tried. Would a stroker 4 inch be best for it or the 3.75 stroke? Thanks for the video!
There's a video on Dragboss Garage , telling many details. BTW 4.125 BORE on this block!!! 4.000 on stock ruclips.net/video/z0jpFkKMzyI/видео.htmlsi=31hrHzNRulyjAA0a
On the streets I live a 4 inch stroke for torque on a heavy car. Put some decent compression on it on pump gas with good build technique and it will run!
Hi, Block looks good sir set of your raised ports and away you go.i see the difference in ports and thickness of material in my 6 cylinder heads there one with heaps of port to raise compared to others thats watching you sir i differently look at things differently thankyou peace
Here's a link to the video on Tim Halstead's RUclips page . Ben has a BOSS429 project I'm anxious for him to get to. What I'd be interested in is an iron block 429 that had features of the JC50/JC51 BLOCK. (see Tim's 3hr video with Darin Morgan on that. Just casting the block is special. Patent hasn't run out yet so...) ruclips.net/video/z0jpFkKMzyI/видео.htmlsi=G98hHFXwQOBOr42F
If only there were some good stainless headers available for a 9.2 deck Cleveland in a foxbody. Custom headers seem the only decent option which is what keeps many from going down the 9.2 path.
@@benalamedaracing2765 I wish I could find them. We would order them in an instant. I've scoured the internet trying to find some. Looked in Australia as well. Even called Kooks custom shop and they are not interested in making any even though their site says otherwise. We are building a 9.2 deck MoW block with Higgins Heads over here in the UK. Foxbody, 406ci. About ready to finish it up soon. Custom headers seem our only option and it's an expensive pita to do over here let alone in the states.
There are always somebody who would do both and if you are after big power hard to not use the Hammerhead or the Yates SC1 from Ford or Edelbrock. Given the chance I prefer the LT over the LS configuration.
Is the gen5 LT1 head really better. The lt1 is a vvt motor and more compression than ls3. I'd love to see a shootout dyno series lt1 vs drag boss 351 block in 427ci.
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You got it backwards the LS looks like the Cleveland! I like them both big time specially now the LT switch sides and now is very much the same valve position like it has been for many years with the SBF.
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Hell Yeah!
As a former Boss351C engine owner, I am really looking forward to seeing the revitalization and rebirth of the 351C platform using Tim's block. I love the sound of a high revving Cleveland! I follow his channel too, and I really enjoy watching both yours and Tim's channel content. I appreciate all of the engine wisdom you share with us Ben.
Thanks Mr. Johnson and glad you tuned in and what state or country are you from?
@benalamedaracing2765 Hi Ben I am in Texas
@@ablejohnson I have family in El Paso and Dallas. How far are you when we go to Extreme Dragway? In Ennis.
This New Drag Boss Cleveland is certainly a game changer.
About time somebody has taken the initiative to develop and manufacture this block.
And a really big thanks to Tim at Dragboss Garage.
And thank you Ben for a great video.
And again, great teaching Ben.
Happy New Year. 🙏
Thank you as always Ed for your support!
plus one
4V Cleveland Boss 351 is why I firstly loved Fords and still do.
Tim is a good man
Happy New Year Ben
Bring on the Clevelandmania rocket 🚀
Tim is one hell of a nice guy and he never pretends he knows it all! On Clevelands, he has a lot of information and for that I thank him for keeping the legendary engine around for many more years!
Would love to have watched B.G. see that engine for the first time. Wow. Just simply great stuff
And best of all Tim is a good guy.
Tim and Ben.. Great guys to team up..
Back in the 80’s I helped some guys put together a killer Cleveland. We sent the off to Roush and had the exhaust ports replaced and the heads ported. He put the engine and a lot more in to one kid’s 66 Mustang. They put a tube frame in the car with a full cage, Built C6 and 0” rear and. When pro stock was running 8.50’s the car ran 8.72 on the first run, but he had entered the 8.90 class and didn’t get it de tuned enough to run in that class. When his Dad, who had funded the car, freaked out because this was supposed to be a street car and the boy was 18, still in High School. They yanked the engine and sold it and he went back to the 289.
I had issues with very fast cars and kids at the wheel. Many times I have asked to talk to their parents to let them know what we are doing and do it at a legitimate racetrack.
@@benalamedaracing2765are you coming to Phoenix, or Tucson? I’d love to meet you and learn more of what you do. My dream was to open a speed shop, and build a car, engine mostly, that would draw in customers. I never got things off the ground, but I did work for a local company that built engines and we did some minor hotrodding. I think the wildest thing we built was a 430 BBC, destroyed 454, that we did most of them machining on. The customer took the heads to be ported elsewhere as we didn’t do full porting work. We did gasket match and smooth out the bowls kind of thing. My Machinest ported his heads there using Mopar templates, but otherwise we didn’t do that kind of work because there are gains to be made, but if you doo it wrong you can hurt flow. Anyway this customer put the 430 into a chevette and the first time out he didn’t run wheelie bars and flipped the car onto the roof. He didn’t shut the engine down and it ran long enough to run dry, no oil getting anywhere. But I put together a program for them that increased net profits from $170,000 a year to $2,2000,000 the next year. The problem with that was the owner had 6 boys who wanted to take over the business, so there was no way to grow. If there had been I would have stayed there. Loved the work we did though. Anyway, thanks for all the videos!
@@benalamedaracing2765p.s. it’s a long story, but I had a hand in the SVO cylinder heads ford sold in the 90’s that were later improved by Yates for nascar. All three port sizes to keep the velocity for smaller engines to full our race o key type heads!
Ben, I know Tim pretty well. both personally and through the professional ranks. He is the credible real deal and a great guy to boot. He would not have gone forward with this Cleveland Block if it didn't pass muster. Much improved over the O.E. Cleveland which is rapidly becoming much more difficult to locate. To those doubters that bring up misaligned lifter bores, etc, these blocks need to be machined and finished to the engine builder's and competitor's satisfaction. So certain criticisms may be moot. In addition to Ben's Channel, don't forget to visit and subscribe to "DragBoss Garage" and Happy New Year to all!
Thanks Bill!
Hi ben. Im from Australia. These Chinese blocks are here too local guys have had to bush lifter bores because they are way out of whack. Its what the market needs here though. Good too see new cleveland blocks.
Yes had one years ago and the lifter bore was horrible at best! lol
I spent more time prepping than actually building it because the owner wanted to save money to he bought the crap and I ended up working on the horrible block and I said never again! Obtw, aluminum FE blocks are not better by a long shot.
@@benalamedaracing2765....LOL.....those damn aluminum FE blocks!
Hi Dean, from Australia too, Moser Engineering?
Thanks for the Shout out Ben. I am pretty excited about these blocks. Working on a video now of the priority oiling. One is at Warren Johnson’s to be evaluated. Try calling later, as he was going to start evaluating this week. I was told that these blocks have had sonic testing and eval for lifter bore location. We will see what WJ says. Next order I requested, Sonic sheets, which they will provide to me. Appreciate you looking out for me. Gearing up for the next transformation to DBG, DBG U for university. Darin Morgan has joined DragBoss Garage, and we will be having a membership. I will be having many in the industry, presenting topics and info for their products. If you are interested, can include you on some topics you may find interesting. DBG will also have its own parts supplier. Thank you Ben Alameda, stay tuned for something for you 😊🏁
@@DragBoss351Cleveland Thank you as well Tim for your efforts on behalf of the blue blooded hi-po followers! I feel I can contribute views on the grass roots level and run things the majority can afford, as well as looking at the pro's and mimicking their innovations while getting results that are consistent and repeatable.
I still remember when friends of mine started Eliminator Engine Blocks I gave them the Boss 429 front main and a set of steel 4 bolt main caps and that’s how it started / the old days .
Yes they are very good and if I am not mistaken my mentor Charles Stevens was involve on the outset with Eliminator blocks.
@@benalamedaracing2765 Dad was a dealer the whole time, until he passed.
Looks like a speed pro casting….Tim has a great set of knowledge guys …likely a great product.
Awsome,,First On Race Day,, You Aussies keeping the Cleveland alive...
They are big Cleveland racers no doubt!
I like the concept and I'm waiting to get a price on the block from Tim.
Thanks Ben! Happy New Year!🎉
Happy new year Tom!
Always liked the Cleveland Engine, Boss 302s I’m glad to see the new engine blocks out . Blue print engines 302 have 4 bolt mains now ,fix the old design better . The 1970 351c is the Boss 351 almost the same hp but hyd lifters and nonajustable rocker arms/ carb. To bad it wasn’t out in 1969
I had a 69 and sold it to get my Mach 1 with a toploader and 351C! I moved and got divorced and never let go off it including my 68 my XR7 Cougar! Had both since the early 80's.
Ben I agree with you on the deck heights, the ls is 9.240. with a 3.75 or 4 inch stroke and the 6.125 rod the rod ratio is just right,in my opinion.
I really feel it is the best deck height somewhere between the C and the LS for serious builds! Thanks David.
thank you and happy New Year mr Ben.
Thanks Bobby!
Quite the endorsement!!!!
It is worth it considering those 4 bolt blocks are hard to find.
Happy New Year Ben
Thanks Cliff!
Thank you for the videos Ben, i was curious if you have done a video talking about cams? Specifically LSA/overlap and timing events...
I did and have to find it wherein I am describing how cam timing separation gets drastically different with standard ports vs high ports. I will come back and post it here.
@@benalamedaracing2765 Thank you Ben :)
Happy New Year, Mr. Ben!
Thanks Mark!
Tim's block sure is a HUGE step forward, but I still feel a little more meat between bores will be the ticket, not easy, I know, but that, imo, is the one and only Clevo weak point, I had some 4V's and no problems with anything, they sure take a lickin', great motor
It’s great to see Tim’s passion for the Cleveland and yours for Ford Racing tech. Was there a USA foundry that would emtertain casting the block?
I have not asked him where it is casted and I am sure he will say so soon enough.
@ I did ask Tim and he said no USA Foundrys wanted to do it. I’m sure Tim was up on the quality from who he used.
Happy New Year 🎆 Ben
Same to you bud and how is everything?
Good video thanks for all the information didn’t know about all those details about the Cleveland block. My hot rod I street raced back years ago which I still have is a 1971 Torino Cobra with the Factory 351C 4v and 4speed with locker factory lower gears 350 gears I think but not sure. I put a bigger hot rod camshaft and a 800cfm carb on it. It outran everything that tried. Would a stroker 4 inch be best for it or the 3.75 stroke? Thanks for the video!
There's a video on Dragboss Garage , telling many details.
BTW
4.125 BORE on this block!!!
4.000 on stock
ruclips.net/video/z0jpFkKMzyI/видео.htmlsi=31hrHzNRulyjAA0a
On the streets I live a 4 inch stroke for torque on a heavy car. Put some decent compression on it on pump gas with good build technique and it will run!
Hi, Block looks good sir set of your raised ports and away you go.i see the difference in ports and thickness of material in my 6 cylinder heads there one with heaps of port to raise compared to others thats watching you sir i differently look at things differently thankyou peace
On a straight 6 it should be very easy to do.
Slot the bolt holes and go for it!
I wonder what happened to the red LX that Steve Sherman had for a while?
He has done a lot of Ford projects and it is not surprising because his brother Bill is a die hard ford fan and we raced against each other years ago!
Hi Ben who is casting these blocks, Tim Halstead? Iam sorry for asking somehow iam missing something, thanks
Here's a link to the video on Tim Halstead's RUclips page .
Ben has a BOSS429 project I'm anxious for him to get to.
What I'd be interested in is an iron block 429 that had features of the JC50/JC51 BLOCK. (see Tim's 3hr video with Darin Morgan on that. Just casting the block is special. Patent hasn't run out yet so...)
ruclips.net/video/z0jpFkKMzyI/видео.htmlsi=G98hHFXwQOBOr42F
The winning engine in the 2002 EMC was an 8.700 deck boss engine
Not surprising because canted valve layout is hard to beat!
@@benalamedaracing2765 But it was a 8.700 deck not a 9.200 deck and 366 Cu In.
Would love to see this block cast in aluminium !!!
4.125 bore, 9.2 deck....Lets build some power
15.1 compression. And on M1
Very good potential for sure!
🤙🏁🏁
Thanks Auto!
If only there were some good stainless headers available for a 9.2 deck Cleveland in a foxbody. Custom headers seem the only decent option which is what keeps many from going down the 9.2 path.
The ones we have used are all custom build sets but I think there are others who sell them now.
@@benalamedaracing2765 I wish I could find them. We would order them in an instant. I've scoured the internet trying to find some. Looked in Australia as well. Even called Kooks custom shop and they are not interested in making any even though their site says otherwise. We are building a 9.2 deck MoW block with Higgins Heads over here in the UK. Foxbody, 406ci. About ready to finish it up soon. Custom headers seem our only option and it's an expensive pita to do over here let alone in the states.
hi im in New Zealand i have one off these blocks identical.its made in China.
, 440 Mopar looks just like the LS they seem to a copy the lot of things from Mopar also
Everyone copies from each other specially in racing.
Looks good, but is there any considerations for using the newer Chevy LT heads?
ruclips.net/video/lr6Fy6CPWgQ/видео.html
There are always somebody who would do both and if you are after big power hard to not use the Hammerhead or the Yates SC1 from Ford or Edelbrock.
Given the chance I prefer the LT over the LS configuration.
Is the gen5 LT1 head really better. The lt1 is a vvt motor and more compression than ls3. I'd love to see a shootout dyno series lt1 vs drag boss 351 block in 427ci.
Indonesia Drag Racing
The Isuzu Diesel, turbo truck
9:s in the quarter
ruclips.net/video/Nd-jxs6yq7o/видео.htmlsi=-1aI8F8iRXGZRHgE
ruclips.net/video/tKfytoGLzC8/видео.htmlsi=fwNXcAUeGX9ZGC8X
That is impressive and wondering how light or heavy is the racecar?
Drag boss looks like an ls block lol 😅
You got it backwards the LS looks like the Cleveland! I like them both big time specially now the LT switch sides and now is very much the same valve position like it has been for many years with the SBF.
Clevelands were engineered back in '68. LS decades later...