What do you think? Is Socialism immoral? Where do you draw the line? And thanks to everyone who showed up! Standing in the mud for hours just to watch two people disagree. Was an awesome experience. Next time, we’ll bring the whole shebang!
1.7M subscribers, man I remember when it was less than 100K, crazy how popular you have become in so little time, keep up the great work, it's really paying off!
He actually stated a person who uses logic is autistic as if logic didn't lead to truth when it's by definition a method of analysis of the truth value of sentences.
@@skinnie2838 Steven lost hard. He got upset & shut down the debate because he knew he was losing. "Change my mind"? Lol sure, he doesn't want his mind changed.
And who cares if he did? Crowder insulted him over and over. He even called him stupid toward the end. Phrasing it in terms like "I wouldn't say you're ... " is still insulting him, we're all smart enough to see that.
Jeremy Thomas Totally agree man. I noticed Crowded kept rephrasing the point Yousef meant. I think this was to give him time to think of a response. I still enjoy Crowder and acknowledge he's way smarter than I am but I would have like to have seen this go the distance
no shit, he profits off the ideas he espouses because it serves as a source of confirmation for those that hold the same belief. Why would he be open to adopting a stance that doesn't align with his audience's beliefs regardless of the veracity of the beliefs? This is the same tactic that fox news (Tucker Carlson specifically) adopts. It's all about the $$$ not truth.
Crowder is resorting to bullying tactics because that Yusef dude is actually well-informed and isn't the SJW snowflake he is used to. Poor show man, I had more respect for him before this.
Honestly, I have no idea how can anyone respect Crowder in a first place. His whole strategy is cherry-picking teenagers or people in their early 20's who know jackshit about economics and social dogmas to appear superior in comparison. This kid is certainly bright, but he is still an intellectual light-weight (no doubt he will become much better with age tho), and it was already enough to showcase how silly Crowder is in reality. He wouldn't last 5 seconds against actual left-wing intellectuals.
@@mansfield360 you don't know that there are left-wing intellectuals? In what kind of echo chamber do you live in oO There are FAR more left-wing intellectuals than right-wing.
MrKosobi I think we should stop spending money on new military equipment and instead save the money up for a budget when we need it and start using money to research more advance technologies so when we go to war we can have a safety net of money we can use to build better equipment that will last longer I think clean energy and civil engineering is needed for future to be good but I don’t agree with globalization it would only slow us down in figuring out world problems same with micro aggressions and forcing equal demographics we should employ the best people not choose people based on their race progressives lately are doing the exact opposite
@@MrKosobi yusef may not be well known but he certainly didn't appear a lightweight. He correctly pointed out that if Crowder wanted to stick to his definition of evil, i.e. redistributing something not earned as morally reprehensible, any redistribution is immoral, no matter whether it's a good or a commodity. That is intellectually sharp for me. And frankly it left Crowder hiding for cover under misdirection.
I'd love to see an actual debate. This wasn't really a debate but more just arguing terms and definitions. Socialism is great in theory but when you debate the implementation that's where it falls apart.
J Corley Yusef was making nationalist points. A nationalist is concerned with his people’s well being first, and abstract principles of morality (eg. the NAP) last. As a nationalist I have no problem switching between free market principles in one area to protectionism in another and socialism in a third other. If you were interested by Yusef’s perspective, look up youtubers like Alternative Hypothesis, Red Ice TV and podcasts like the Daily Shoah and Fash The Nation.
@@ognir66 conservatives seem to spend all their time chasing morals, good and bad via theory and some dreamland utopia instead of striving to make good in the actuall world we live in.
@@ognir66 and the change my mind guy was wrong about Denmark's tax rate, so factually he is far from clean himself. That's what happens when you decide what you believe and then go looking for facts instead of learning about a subject and then forming an opinion. Then he would learn that Denmark has a flat regional tax and progressive(borderline exponential with a cap off) national tax.
I agree, but at the same time the whole show got railroaded by the School. So in lieu of the proper show, I liked it; understanding however that the proper live show would have been better.
I like how he expects simple answers to complex questions and when yusuf starts explaining what he means Crowder immediately changes the subject and says he isn't sticking to topic. Its sad.
That Yusuf kid was really smart. I felt like Steven was trying really hard to change Yusuf's mind, rather than the other way around. I don't like how Steven conducted the debate with him.
Matthew Forslund are you talking about when he said shill? Because if you were actually listening to Yousefs substantives then you must recognise he is far more knowledgable than most. It speaks for itself when Crowder literally ended the debate in fear and latched onto the use of the word “Autistic” instead of the actual arguments; no doubt because he knew he’d already lost.
I do think that Yosef has a point that big businesses hinder society, and that large economic inequality does provoke violence. I do think there is a solution that will help. That is to ban all lobbying. And prosecute lobbying. I don’t know if there are rules and laws that already do that in a sense. I am not educated in that area, except that in the book The Chickenshit Club, there is a grand historical documentation of corrupt leadership in our legal prosecution system, where the repetitive example is of the defense bar of the United States Lawyers Defense Bar Association ( I made that name to make it easy for people not educated in what a defense bar is) is retaliatory against the prosecuting Attorney General, or the lawyers who prosecute, every single time they went after executives of big businesses, and also when they prosecute their enablers (the certified public accountants, high level managers of banks overseeing transactions). The retaliation is so vast, that since the 90’s and early 2000’s, there has been widespread fear among the prosecutors (lawyers working for the government) that is they prosecute too hard, they lose their careers. Why is this obvious? That is easy; notice that these lawyers no longer prosecute the executives. The lawsuits of today’s big businesses prosecution is a fee that looks like a slap on the wrist, and even bailing out the guilty corporations. No executives go to prison today, in a practical and impactful leven that discourages stupidity like selling securities backed by crap mortgages. And this happens because the defense bar makes a profit from retaliating against the prosecution of big businesses, and so the Bar Associations is a puppet of large businesses with executives sticking their hands up the defense bar’s behinds and having them do their bidding. It comes down to the incredibly huge profits that corporations pay the defense lawyers. Prosecutors never come close to half a fraction of the income these defense lawyers make. Thus, the defense attorneys are overcompensated while the prosecution is under funded, underemployed, and low in morale. The bar association for lawyers have a huge influence on law, because though they don’t make them, they interpret them and choose how and what to enforce. As you can see, my answer is not socialist, but rather to support the objective role of the government under a capitalist nation. When organizations like Bar Associations for Attorneys is influenced by large businesses, it no longer is capable of objectivity. They are biased. Notice another example, which is large communication businesses moving to control and censor internet use by means of compensating or financially denying profits according to that businesses interest. You think the prosecuting attorneys can properly defend the people when there is a violation against citizens rights to access to information? Though some will argue that information is a privilege, not a right. How about the platform or the availability to information? Some may even argue that a platform for information is also a privilege. I disagree, and I bet the defense bar will agree. Further, the problem is that compensating defense lawyers isn’t known as lobbying. Lobbying is to pay for making or taking down laws. But few people see that paying for the interpretation and bias of prosecution or defense relating to this laws are also corporate influence. It is lot lobbying only because the definition in the dictionary doesn’t agree with it, but for practical purposes it is indeed lobbying. It is the corporate influence in how to and what to interpret of the law.
I would argue that the first kid is very informed and crowder was not ready for it. I enjoy crowders show but he can come off as very arrogant and condescending.
The part where Yusef the Autistic shill tries to propose Sweden, Norway and Denmark as examples of Socialist countries that work? Only that the PM of Denmark corrected Bernie Sanders in saying that they AREN’T a socialist country? Or where Sweden uses school vouchers but Yusef the Austist doesn’t like that idea? Or where he doesn’t support an increase in taxes on the middle class and lower class, which is exactly what these socialist countries he tries to use as good example of socialism do? When confronted with the reality of what they actually do, he says they “should change it”.... He also doesn’t support decreasing the corporate tax, which again is what they do in Denmark, Sweden and Norway. So at what point did he make any good statements that don’t contradict himself? He literally had NO argument of supportive facts. He disagreed with the policies of these “socialist” countries he propped up as examples. Even though they aren’t socialist countries to begin with... haha And you still wonder why Crowder had to end it after all this kid’s backtracking and name calling? J_Smith-26
Holy crap Crowder... LET YUSEF SPEAK. You interrupted him every time the kid tried to make a point. You get 6 inches away from his face, wave your hand around and you were the one that played to the crowd. You really came off as condescending and you had the balls to tell him that he was being disrespectful? Also, he wasn’t saying that you were autistic... He was saying a certain idea was autistic. Instead of tying who you are with what you believe and getting offended (which is the way someone you usually make fun of would act like) you actually listen and take in what the person talking was saying like a REAL CONVERSATION. You were the one that was acting like you were in a big crowd of people, not him. You constantly steered the conversation the way that you wanted it and the way you were prepared for. If this would have been in a fair environment where BOTH people had a microphone then I wonder if you would have came out on top of this argument. I’ve been a fan for a long time, but this is the lowest I’ve ever thought of you. #BringBackYusef
Seriously! I'm a fan but Crowder was very aggressive, almost trying to intimidate. Also the way he used the word "autistic" wasn't as an insult, but as a synonym for pedantic. #BringBackYousef
How does exactly idea of libertariaism is related to this medical condition? Let's face it, Crowder wasn't polite, but Yusef hadn't had any good idea worth listening to in the first place.
@@magnusmoty well Steven never gave him a chance. Steven was prepared, yet he was shocked by the kids level of general Intelligence. Say what you want, but you can hear it when someone is sharp. And this kid was. Defined terms on the fly, held on to ideas Crowder had touched on and was able to redirect Crowder back to a point Crowder had made that he wanted to explore more. Caught Steven on his failure to distinguish between public good and commodity in his original definition of Socialism. A very good point, seeing as Steven was the one who wanted to be particular about defining everything. Steven was shook all through the discussion, and wasn't able to follow his script. That's why he feigned being insulted and then proceeded to insult the kid multiple times. Yet the kid did not respond in kind. Except calling him out for being mad coz he was losing the debate.
@@diranshouse7061 Okay, Crowder didn't let him speak and this is bad. But I wonder, if Yusef's pro-socialist rhetoric is so good, why do we never see it anywhere else? Why don't socialists generally engage in debates, if there is this holy graal of real socialistic truth? Why don't socialists sit somewhere with banner saying "Socialism is good, change my mind" and gather views by debunking capitalists' viewpoints?
I'm not sure it's about winning or losing, I thought it was a pretty good debate...Crowder is a bit of a stirrer I think but a harmless one...and Canadian too.
Let's see you do better in his shoes. I mean everyone is criticizing him, but I don't think many would have been able to do differently if put in his place.
He didn't even lose though. Were you listening to what he was saying? Or are you just piggy backing because Yusef said he was winning and crowder said "that was fair? I don't know why people think Yusef won that argument, he didn't. Most of you didn't even understand his language. Having good articulation doesn't say you won an argument. He wasn't making points, he was just talking and talking without giving direct answers
@@theegamer8401 calling someone insults? what a complete misinterpretation. He referred to the libertarian viewpoint as autistic and that is genuinely a great word to to use to describe it
Looked like Mr. Chowder regretted asking Yousef about examples of the rich paying to abuse the system and increase their wealth, seeing as how he never let Yousef finish. Yousef had plenty examples and counterarguments, he just wasn’t given the time to speak. Grow some balls Stephen. And the fact that Yousef called him a shill, clearly struck a nerve, probably because there is some truth to his insult.
I do think that Yosef has a point that big businesses hinder society, and that large economic inequality does provoke violence. I do think there is a solution that will help. That is to ban all lobbying. And prosecute lobbying. I don’t know if there are rules and laws that already do that in a sense. I am not educated in that area, except that in the book The Chickenshit Club, there is a grand historical documentation of corrupt leadership in our legal prosecution system, where the repetitive example is of the defense bar of the United States Lawyers Defense Bar Association ( I made that name to make it easy for people not educated in what a defense bar is) is retaliatory against the prosecuting Attorney General, or the lawyers who prosecute, every single time they went after executives of big businesses, and also when they prosecute their enablers (the certified public accountants, high level managers of banks overseeing transactions). The retaliation is so vast, that since the 90’s and early 2000’s, there has been widespread fear among the prosecutors (lawyers working for the government) that is they prosecute too hard, they lose their careers. Why is this obvious? That is easy; notice that these lawyers no longer prosecute the executives. The lawsuits of today’s big businesses prosecution is a fee that looks like a slap on the wrist, and even bailing out the guilty corporations. No executives go to prison today, in a practical and impactful leven that discourages stupidity like selling securities backed by crap mortgages. And this happens because the defense bar makes a profit from retaliating against the prosecution of big businesses, and so the Bar Associations is a puppet of large businesses with executives sticking their hands up the defense bar’s behinds and having them do their bidding. It comes down to the incredibly huge profits that corporations pay the defense lawyers. Prosecutors never come close to half a fraction of the income these defense lawyers make. Thus, the defense attorneys are overcompensated while the prosecution is under funded, underemployed, and low in morale. The bar association for lawyers have a huge influence on law, because though they don’t make them, they interpret them and choose how and what to enforce. As you can see, my answer is not socialist, but rather to support the objective role of the government under a capitalist nation. When organizations like Bar Associations for Attorneys is influenced by large businesses, it no longer is capable of objectivity. They are biased. Notice another example, which is large communication businesses moving to control and censor internet use by means of compensating or financially denying profits according to that businesses interest. You think the prosecuting attorneys can properly defend the people when there is a violation against citizens rights to access to information? Though some will argue that information is a privilege, not a right. How about the platform or the availability to information? Some may even argue that a platform for information is also a privilege. I disagree, and I bet the defense bar will agree. Further, the problem is that compensating defense lawyers isn’t known as lobbying. Lobbying is to pay for making or taking down laws. But few people see that paying for the interpretation and bias of prosecution or defense relating to this laws are also corporate influence. It is lot lobbying only because the definition in the dictionary doesn’t agree with it, but for practical purposes it is indeed lobbying. It is the corporate influence in how to and what to interpret of the law.
Gotta say, yusef won this and Chowder couldn't handle it, so he had to boot him and then push his argument to get the last word on a depricative joke. 0% class and 0% skill, utterly frustrated and let down that chowder acted so autistic and shill-like.
He was given the time to speak. He simply refused to cite specific examples because he kept vacillating on his own argument. Usually means he doesn't actually have any examples and that he's simply ranting.
If you are going to compare you should compare everything. It is like saying a boat does not have a wing so why does an airplane need one. It is all about understanding what you are talking about. Unions in the US are weak, unions in Europe are much stronger. Also the things you can buy for the money you get matters. What other support exists, house rental support, child support and possibly others. In the end what matters is the net money you have in your pocket and what you can do with it. Also Germany is not really socialist, it is capitalist in most ways with maybe some socialist aspects. Basics in most European countries, the money you get from a 40 hour work week should be enough to live from no matter what work you do. Left wing parties in the US are also to eager to point to europe without context. I understand why, but you should first understand the full consequences, benefits and dependencies.
How was Yusef rude? You were never rude to your guests no matter how offensive or rude they were to you up until this point. He's holding his own ground. He barely interrupted you and he gave you the same patience and courtesy you've given your previous guests. You don't have to call him out on being a dick or being rude to you, giving off such distasteful body language, and picking at his vocabulary which wasn't even directed to offend you personally. When you have a discussion with someone who has a different view point from yours, you already risk being offended and I thought you of all people would know that and would have kept it 'civil,' as you always had. I share a lot of your view points and I don't fully understand all these concepts, which is why I like watching your debates because you're thorough in your opinions, but this was terrible to watch.
Yusef was a stone cold, well spoken, terminator. He owned Crowder, BADLY. Crowder had a meltdown at 23:03 that he should not have let happen. 'Shill' was an embarrassing word to be triggered by and suggesting Yusef was being rude... focusing way too much on trivial words like that in his emotional tirade. Even having to debrief the crowd afterwards to try and recover. Cringe! Change his mind or not, Yusef obliterated!
@@fallenxangel105 no...you thought he won. But he didn't actually address the argument. He would make a fallacy then change subjects and went on long winded rants that were not about the debate issue.
@@infopocalypse5006 How did he go on "long winded rants" when crowder barely would let him finish a sentence before pulling the mic away. Lol. You are literally describing the actions of the person you are trying to defend. Projection at its finest
John Adams said " "Avarice will break this Constitution like a whale breaks through a net" and he said "This Constitution (or government, can't remember which right now) is only for a moral and religious people and is wholly inadequate for the governing of any other". Morality and self-sacrifice can't be legislated and forced through socialism because it always ends up worse, sometimes MUCH WORSE; so we've got to figure out how to influence people to change in order to save the Republic.
I really like Crowder... but was disapponted by him in this one. Instead of listening to the first guy he was a sensitive triggered snowflacke... Sorry but the guy was right there: 23:24 . Steven got upset and that's not what change my mind should be. If you loose, you have to stand to it and not be an asshole
Crowder knew what he meant by shill and autistic. Yusef plainly has a well thought out argument whether it's correct or incorrect and came at an angle Crowder wasn't ready for... Don't pick on the dude for being smart
Masta Killa crowder wanted to know if yuseph knew what those words meant. It was suppose to be civil. The fact that yuseph didnt even know what shill meant just goes to show you that he doesnt know what he is talking about. He is just spouting nonsense
Crowder getting hung up on the use of the word "autism" was so disengenous. Yusef obviously meant it as a synonym for "stupid", but Crowder decided to (ironically, quite autistically) steer the entire conversation away from socialism (conveniently when Yusef was making good points) and onto a semantic red herring. What annoyed me was that he tried to take some sort of moral high ground and then swing back later with "Now the thing you just said is what YOU might call autistic!" and "Wow, what you're saying now, is what YOU might call stupid!"
Crowder likely pushed him on the definitions to highlight the fact that name calling is a departure from the topic. The kid was tasked with proving Socialism is great and he failed to convince me for one. Name calling is the lower form of argument without question.
That was awful, lost the first debate and removed the kid. There is no point of the show if you're reluctant to changing your mind or accepting the other persons views
James Ghazanfar no shit, he profits of the ideas he espouses because it serves as a source of confirmation for those that hold the same belief. Why would he be open to adopting a stance that doesn't align with his audience's beliefs?
Mate its called change my mind he can chat whatever crud he wants but if hes not 'open' to others opinions in the aim to have his mind changed then why even bother with the show and its name.
Because that's what he promotes. Open conversations, attaining the possibility to adopt another stance, are what he claims the 'change my mind' series is about.
Yusuf got him on this one tbh. If it is 'Change My Mind' then you have be open to the slight possibility of that happening. Rather than digging in, cutting him off, or getting unnecessarily defensive about a word like 'autistic'. It's ok to concede sometimes. Just my feedback. Great series!
Yep i used to agree in some Steven Subjects, but ge got rekt it was clearly that he was not willing to change his mind even if he could not explain himself properly in that instance. He even got triggered when he always complain about "leftards sensitive people".
I don’t think it’s about who “got” who, or who won the debate. It mostly boils down to fundamental beliefs. I agree he doesn’t really seem willing to change his mind even if he says he is. However, in the end, this is a conversation. And I think if Yusuf changed our mind, that’s great! If Steven changed your mind, that’s great! But I think the point of the video is to clearly state both viewpoints. If you think Yusuf won the debate, then I think the video served it purpose lol I guess my point is, this isn’t a win or lose debate. It’s supposed to be a civil conversation about opposing views, even if this convo kind of went uncivil rather quickly haha
I think Yusef was just too intelligent for Crowder, and I am a fan of his. Yousef was really out of Crowder's league here. Yusef did a really good job making his arguments and maintained a calm demeanor.
Yusef is not smart at all. Yusef's very first argument about how the lack of a minimum wage will cause a country to collapse under an influx of unskilled labor is an atrocious argument and factually incorrect. Why is it that the two countries in the world with the highest quality of life and income (Singapore and Switzerland) have no minimum wage? Yet Scandinavian countries with the highest minimum wage in the world are now getting an influx of low skill immigrants and watching their crime rates (specifically rape) skyrocket. Essentially Yusef's very first and strongest argument gets utterly refuted by simple facts. He's a dumb college kid who knows nothing about the world and nothing about economics. He didn't destroy Steven at all.
Ramish Butt “While Switzerland has no official minimum wage,a majority of the voluntary collective bargaining agreements contain clauses on minimum compensation,ranging from 2,200 to 4,200 francs per month for unskilled workers and from 2,800 to 5,300 francs per month for skilled employees.” Minimum-wage.org Man you could’ve googled it and not looked as dumb as you do now. Besides, “how dumb are you?” Isn’t a rhetorical argument and doesn’t make a discussion go anywhere. The person you responded to is correct in what he is talking about. Yusuf slipped up when he brought up minimum wage, because he read the Communist manifesto once and thought he could be a socialism apologist like Slavoj Žižek. His arguments didn’t even address Crowders claim.
@@BlackOrkid777 Dustin statement about Minimum wage and increasing crimes with unskilled workers doesnt correlate . These things resulted from different causes. Just so you know crowder lied about progressive taxes And minimum wages. www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp Of course there are many parameters which effect the quality of life but See it for yourself the list is predominantly with countries who have a minimum wage. And btw Steven never Adressed anything he just kept playing the whiny SJW which he claims to hate.
Thomas Murphy True, agreed, however, at least he posted it. At least despite how triggered he got it's still in the video. Some icing on his shit cake first interview lol.
16:17 your welcome, did you even watch the debate? He called him (a libertarian or at least his way of thinking autistic, there by defining him as autistic?) Or what do you mean?
Throne on top of that the reason why all the Scandinavian countries don't have minimum wage is that they have extremely strong unions (you have to join a union to work in Iceland) and the unions negotiate minimum wages based on the industry, not only is that most likely more practical from an economic standpoint but hilariously it is much more *Socialist* having workers in trade unions set the wage than the state. Crowder also hilariously said Denmark had a flat tax when the Danes are famous for their extremely high progressive tax system.
My word that first debate was hard to watch. I think the crowd played to Steven’s ego. The young man was very reasonable in his approach, whereas we saw a rather Cenk-ier side to Crowder. In the future I’d recommend a different approach, especially when you’re losing a debate.
Bintrux1 He wasn’t calling crowder or anyone else autistic, it’s just banter and crowder is internet savvy enough to know that. He only made a big deal of it to rally the crowd because he was having trouble addressing the kid’s arguments.
+Mk Sv Yeah I'm a huge Crowder fan actually, I just didn't like the deflection so much. I think the young man meant "rigid, unemotional and single-minded" when he used the word "autistic". There was little reason for Steven to be so offended.
@@luckierloser The European Union did indeed usher a guideline on the use of the euro sign, stating it should be placed in front of the amount without any space in English, but after the amount in most other languages
This is why i dislike crowder. The moment he gets called out on his bullshit he acts like nothing happened. He has a big following so he will use them as a kob to attack his guests.
I don't think you were particularly fair to Yusuf. It seems like you were looking for, as you point out with your pamphlet afterwards, the buzzwords so you could "point out" how his argument was faulty. Really, you just talked over him rather than listen to what he was actually saying. His argument was simply that your statement was faulty, there are degrees of socialism and to say ALL socialism is evil is like saying ALL capitalism is evil. But why listen when you can just look for perceived attacks on your character?
What good points? I’m confused. He was deflecting with all these “ big words” and Crowder was making him explain it, because that’s the tactic of the left. They either scream and get emotional or use all these “ big words” to confuse people. A lot like politicians.
We get it Crowder, he called something 'autistic'. Yusef made an off-hand comment in a high pressure environment. He also tried to take accountability for his words, tried to redefine his words in a civil fashion after you claimed moral outrage, but you still let yourself repeatedly circle back to that original slight.
yeah that was pretty fucked. Honestly anyone in that kids position would definitely feel a tad' out of place. You'd expect someone like Crowder to let it go, but he kinda ran with it and honestly it took away from the total experience.
The point is for a civil discussion to happen, he shouldn't have made the comment in the first place. Instead of outright admitting his fault or at least apologizing, Yusef tried to lamely justify his use of "autistic." It's rather typical of leftists to issue an insult in civil discourse and then try to explain why they're right. Any attempt to defend Yusef's comment only demonstrates that those kind of people want to validate personal insults during an exchange of ideas and call it "civil." It simply doesn't work.
Tiny Marethyu Yeah, it just shows how weak his arguments are and that you he is just in it for a group mentality not because facts or reason convinced you. It is not the first time he is delivering wrong facts that especially the uninformed and those who just want their pathological world view confirmed just swallow.
@DeadlyNeedle ! Oh, so you are one of those (people who just can't seem to let go of a word, like Crowder, except he uses it to antagonize and continually insult his fellow debater). He never called Crowder autistic. Period. Now, again. If you really disagree on my view, it's totally ok. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Maybe not so in this case, because we are talking facts, but still, ultimately opinion are subjective. So even if most people would agree that Crowder lost the debate despite his continuous use of cheap tactics, you are free to go on and say "No. That's not what happened."
@@sergiobricenos You are straw-manning his position. DeadlyNeedle never said Yousef called Crowder autistic. You are literally arguing with a wall right now because that's not his position.
The evil CCP has murdered 80 million of its own people since 1949. It is now torturing, organ harvesting and executing the 100 million Falun Gong who live in China, pure godless evil. The problem is that Wall Street spells human right$ like that, never exposing the true nature of the Satanic CCP.
@@Wopedomernah usually most of the people he encounters are idiots. I think in general he does a good job at exposing people for having straw man opinions. However, its frustrating that when someone comes along who has good intellect and reasoning, he wont give them their fair shot. Its clear he wants to grab the most amount of idiots from the left possible to make himself look better because those are usually the people triggered by the signs. In reality, this video topic is not one many blue haired morons are gonna get triggered by. Someone who disagrees with him is actually gonna have some facts behind what they say
Nathan Murdoch Also it is socialist and communist behaiviour to silence someone for what they are saying. Yusef has freedom of speech, which means he can call him a shill or an autist. That is what freedom of speech is and steven silenced him.
An idiot? Yusef was 100% correct and won the debate. Socialism is not evil, PEOPLE are. Fun fact: Yusef is a conservative just like Crowder. He was trolling Crowder.
Was funny when he used shill perfectly and got kicked off for it... If one shills for something, they back it enthusiasticly to convince others to do likewise
Connel Wilson and then crowder misused the words completely! I can't quote him exactly but it was something like "oh now you're getting hypothetical like you're autistic" when autism is being unable to grasp hypotheticals. He's more interested in busting chops than actually arguing, that much is clear, especially when he's losing. And then he's like "I'm not mad" when he obviously was. It was very hard to watch and I'm not even a fan. Very embarrassing.
Except Yusef first used "autistic" in a negative way describing it as leaning towards fantasy and hypotheticals. I feel like you weren't quite listening in the beginning and thats okay, not everyone fully listens to things that they find uninteresting. And as for "shill", the full definition was not used by your fellow commentors. Its more than enthusiastically backing things to convince others. For starters you have to be an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler to even be part of the definition.
anitalianguy he is. He knows well he got creamed. But, he will learn. You would hope. Fact is, crowder is very entertaining but he has a ceiling in debates. And Youssef was definitely in that ceiling.
@Daniel Perez Where did he did wrong? He did good points but crowder responds with "back to the autistic...." or make him explain, stop sucking his dick you dumbass
@@Erl0sung what "fanboys"? so i am "triggered" just because i am responding to people's stupidity? it's called responding dumbass. the following is the actual definition of "triggered". i'm gonna enjoy watching u filthy panhandlers and welfare cheats aka bernie and hillary supporters implode at DJT's agenda over the next 6 years just like this transgender weirdo did. 😂😂😂😂 ruclips.net/video/wDYNVH0U3cs/видео.html how is Crowder "AUTISTIC"? do you mouth breathing dipshits even know what "AUTISTIC" means? you think doctors should treat some pathetic patient (who is possibly a leftist or a democratic voter) for "free" or a fixed price? i think that would constitute slavery dipshit. now i know you leftist subhumans have always defended slavery but slavery was abolished a long time ago by the Republicans!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 someone forgot to tell yusef and his disgusting ilk of subhumans that america is the land of freedoms NOT free shit. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the simple fact is left wing voters and trump haters in general have gotten way too entitled, uppity and parasitic over the last 50 years.
@@MrKosobi since when is "self preservation" wrong dipshit? and how is yusef not virtue signaling? how are they "buzzwords" or how am i a "fucking autist"? since when does the government owe you filthy panhandlers healthcare or college or a standard of living? please enlighten me.
@@kaiseed1117 where do you entitled welfare cheats aka bernie supporters get your mindless talking points from? The young turds? Secular talk? these pathetic late night comedians? 😂
@@DBZFan2Yusuf unlike NO ONE in the previous videos of Crowder Had. He had P R E P A R E T I O N he knew what he was saying and he did put good argument into the tables but it was very rude or Crowder to do things that he did in the video (even if he winned the debate you need to see that Crowder was very toxic) And i think Crowder lost the debate and Yusuf wins winned in the debate and in being an adult something that Crowder wasnt, But if this dint changed your mind about Yusuf dont bother replying i wont read back or even reply again (but just for the other people reading if he correct my grammer or used huge ammount of bad words it means i won C; )
I love how steven calls yousef out on speaking in paragraphs just to make himself sound smarter, when he does the same thing. Also why was he was so bothered by the use of autistic when he always rants about the importance of free speech in comedy. What a baby
@@KaosSakana you gotta be pretty dense to say that steven doesn't crack any jokes during these debates. The kid cracked one joke and Steven couldn't let it go
@@modelorpheus the autistic line, whether it was intended as a joke or not, was a blatant insult that showed a lack of awareness for his environment and a lack of respect for the conversation. The conversation was meant to be a serious discussion. Quit bending over backwards to defend a degenerate.
I was an avid watcher of Steven Crowder but that first interaction put me off for good lol. What's the point if he himself is not going to listen and resort to cheap debate tactics when losing an argument.
I think someone taking the time out of their lives to be an opposition to the political game we live in is a great thing. He’s not hurting anyone... you know... besides soyboys like you ;)
Keegan Debevoise It seams the only people getting bend out of shape are people like yousef! He lost his socialists shows the level of his ignorance if he believes in it so much he should to to country controlled by Socialist parties
I'm a girl. Also, come with an actual argument if you don't agree. I'm guessing it's people like you who watch his videos and why he gets so many views since he can't even recognize when a good argument has been made.
It takes a particularly motherfuckingly awful man to abuse his pregnant wife and abandon his children, not to mention the "worship" of freedom whilst yourself acts like a dictator, not to mention showing off your motherfucking penis to your employees
Crowder made that first debate (and yes it was a *debate*) so much more awkward than it had to be. For a comedian, he sure can't take someone saying "autistic" very well. I thought the overly-sensitive-to-words kinda people were liberals, like David Hogg. Yuseff said "If you don't pay taxes, you're going to have other forms of violence that arise spontaneously. This sort of autistic Libertarian idea - this idea of a non-aggression principle is just fantasy", he wasn't even directing that at Crowder.
johnny crack right then Crowder calls him a dick then roast his hair cut lol wtf... then kept roasting him about saying autistic even after he was gone
Crowder lost it and went to name calling- something he generally denounces, but he just couldn't handle getting spanked. And he had the nerve to call the respectable gentleman rude. Finally he had to just cut it off because he was at a loss.
@Wicked Jester I couldn't talk to Yusuf either, he wants to redistribute the money I earned by working hard to people who sit at home and didn't earn it.
@Harry Waddington I guess wouldn't would be more precise. I don't mind talking to people who disagree, but not on this subject. Crowder gets paid to do this, I don't have the time to discuss such nonsense. Get a job, work hard and earn your keep.
No, they kept talking about the same examples until Steven realized he just flat out doesn’t agree with Yousef, in my opinion I think Yousef was wrong for using Denmark and Sweden as good examples when he didn’t agree with things they shared
Steven calls Yusuf rude but he never lets Yusuf finish a single explanation, while always interrupting him and talking in paragraphs himself - that's rude. He steals what little talking time Yusuf has by making him define the words he uses and does not stick to those definitions himself. The longer I watch this, the angrier I get.
That is a straw men argument based on the assumption that all "unnecessary" redistributions of money gained by taxes are defined as stealing. But there are no real "necessary" redistributions of tax money thus you would have to define taxes themselves as stealing. That, however, is only a very personal and limited definition and not the actual definition.
@@mini-mei income taxes where not mandated at 1 point and time and look at it now and they want to raise income taxes. No law says we have to pay those taxes it is theft
lets be honest here Steven. You didn't like Yusef because he knew what he was talking about and was very articulate. The next individual came up and he was far less articulate and was easily swayed by minor points you made. Of course you thought Drew was a better debater because you never really had to debate him.
I really like the “change my mind segment” but this time was really unnatural. Crowder was pretty aggressive with the first fellow, and seemed to be trying way too hard to control the flow of the conversation. The whole thing looks like a lecture to the crowd
It's because the guy didn't want to argue about whether or not socialism is evil. He wanted to argue for political policy, and not about ideology. Also, terms MUST have agreed upon definitions in order for any arguments to be constructive. I speak from experience.
Candy K I agree with you but I felt Crowder was more of Ben Shapiro type of guy. I thought Crowder didn't use these weak tactics on the opposition; rather he would use reasoning and logic. I don't know something about the first argument just didn't feel correct to me. I could be wrong since I'm very knew to this sort of stuff.
orochimarujes I know the first kid started it but for the sake of conversation I think Crowder should ignore it or just make a small remark and carry on, but he focused the whole point around the autism and shilling, which made it look like he didn't have any counter arguments to what Yusef was saying. When the first kid started talking I got excited because for the first time he had someone with a good understanding of the topic and what happened was that he booted him.
Steven spent over twice as much time talking as Yusef did then unironically accused him of talking in paragraphs, AKA "you're not letting me control the conversation and dissect literally everything you say D:" Steven prepares for days for these "debates" and literally brought a binder full of resources (lol). Yet Yusef was polite and waited for his turn to talk, despite constantly being interrupted and not being allowed to speak. Then Steven gets triggered at him using the word autistic (which by the way he didn't actually call Steven autistic) You can really see how triggered Steven was towards the end when he seeks reassurance from the audience and starts trash talking back at Yusef before booting him. The point of these videos is to make Steven look "smart" and therefore correct, but the moment someone more intelligent than him arrives Steven cuts the debate because he knows he's losing. It was pathetic honestly.
PurpleFiiilth you can’t put quotes around a summary of what he said put in your words. Quotation marks mean that you are quoting someone, and you referenced Steven beforehand meaning you were quoting him. But he never said that. So you just put words in his mouth
I think that yusef did good but he failed a bit when started to use some more rude words, this let Crowder the opening to cut the conversation whenever he wants using "rudness" as an excuse. I think even that he could adjust a little his argument to make them stronger.
Yusef is what happens when crowder debates an intelligent person that speaks with facts. He goes to these colleges to debate people that aren't even ready to have debates and speak off just emotion. You should have a FULL debat with Yusef just to see what happens. Also, you should debate Destiny (that's his RUclips you should look him up Crowder and Co.) debate people that have the facts. I wonder if you'd be afraid of that.
@@TheJeevo92 what the fuck are you talking about? I was talking about debating crowder. He goes to these colleges to debate kids that aren't prepared for a full on debate but when he gets a kid that is, this is how he acts. The topic of this debate was not my point.
@Gregory Frowendown What he was saying is autistic is the idea that there can be this massive margin and division of wealth and no violent consequences. The french revolution is an easy example of the point Yusef is making.
Yusuf teared a new one into Crowder! Dude, Crowder got chewed up and had to focus on his use of the word "Autistic" to try to knock him of his focus. Crowder met his match and was upset that Yusuf wasn't emotionally driven. Ha!
So it wasn't emotionally charged to call libertarians autists? To throw out insults like that takes a high degree of disrespect and is usually emotionally backed with feel feels.
Steven clearly doesn't want his mind changed. Doesn't listen to Yusuf's points, doesn't let him respond to his points, tries to make out that he is rude when he is being exactly that, attacks his choice of words rather than his arguments, is so hypocritical when saying that he speaks in paragraphs, and still looses the debate. Sounded very much like a SJW in this. He has become the very thing he sought to destroy.
I am a strong conservative, that being said. I really liked how Yusef presented himself. I think Crowder was overwhelmed by this young mans confidence in his beliefs. Yusef was articulate, calm and quite frankly, enjoyable to watch. On the other side, Crowder came off as flustered and impatient.
He was impatient because Yuesef agreed the the debate question, then at every rebuttal he tried to change the premise of the debate. It is like stating upfront that this is a cat to argue for or against pet ownership, and stating that retrievers are better at fetching.
I totally disagree with Yusef, but he was definitely disrespected. Steven is correct in saying Denmark et cetera is not socialist, but he should have actually engaged him. In his later episodes doing this he is much more relaxed and respectful. I'm willing to grant stage fright for this one, but he definitely could have done a lot better.
@@grega2362 Sorry my friend. I just can't grasp what your trying to say. If your saying Crowder was. patient and not flustered or had a reason to be. That's cool, we all have opinions. And in this case, you can't change my opinion.
Crowder wasn't overwhelmed by confidence - he was overwhelmed because he couldn't refute Yusef's points. He deflected, interrupted, and belittled Yusef in an attempt to cover this up.
Steven is the kind of intelligent man that takes words by their definition. Yusuf seems like the type of child to TRY to get away with calling you names without you realizing. He was clearly embarrassed when he got called out for calling Steven autistic. He says things that are interesting but does any of it hold water? I would suspect that Yusuf looks intelligent to stupid people. Evident after Yusuf put out his highly edited version, then all you people started commenting.
You are all up in his face, stop. Sit back, please. And stop getting triggered and using the word "autistic" every single time you are losing, just because he said it once. Lol.
He shouldnt of said it at all. It was beneath them and petty. Directly aimed at Libertarians and making fun of autistic people. Thats not ok in a civil convo.
MagneticFlux if that’s the case then there have been moments where crowder has been insulting himself. Stop defending crowder as if he’s the god of reason and logic. He isn’t and never has been.
I love crowder but he wasnt ready for yusuf lol. He was reaching by impeading his free speech with crowd intimidation. Any person should be able to say autistic or retarded or anything that does not directly incite violence. Especially since crowder has used those words and much worse in his podcast. I think he was losing and couldnt recover and he lost his head for a second. He had to buy time and take a second to get his head out of it lol.
@@jared8019 he also, as I said above, would not shut up about him using the word 'autistic'. This was all completely out of his character. I love the man, he is a national treasure, but he was blind-sided on this one and did not handle this sort of complacent event very well..
We definitely have progressive taxation in Denmark. Steven is using false arguments. You are not willing to change your mind. You simply just focus on every single word that is being said, and try to tear the arguments apart by finding small mistakes in the use of those words. So if a word is used incorrectly you’ll point it out even though it basically doesn’t matter. Truth is you are sounding very intelligent but sometimes just make things up on the way like saying we don’t have progressive taxation in Denmark which we do.
I think he does want to change his mind, but, at the same time, political beliefs basically define us. It takes someone who is more than human, IMO to really be open minded about those things.
@@radiofloyd2359 I don't think so. I think he's using this format to bait emotional, unprepared, and/or idotic people into a debate to bolster his ego and get a good laugh on their expense. If he would be interested in an honest debate, he wouldn't be moderator and debater in one person. That paired with the fact that he comes prepaired and his opponents don't, gives him all the control he needs.
Yeah there is no doubt that he takes advantage of people not having exact examples of everything they are arguing about. He just uses that he is dominating the discussion so that he can win the argument. If he was actually willing to change his mind he wouldn’t lie in his arguments. His only purpose is to make money by showing people getting destroyed in discussions that he has absolute control over....
Hold on, I just want to make sure that we're on the same page. Can you please define to me "deflected". You're using those big liberal words that they like to use and I just need clarification that we have the same understanding as each other.
@@wupengu Yusef was addressing autistic liberalists, not calling Crowder autistic. Maybe if u actually bothered listening to his points you would have noticed that
@@wupengu Except the guy never actually called Stephen Crowder as autistic. He referred to a way of thinking as being "autistic libertarian" but didn't flat out make an attack at Crowder . . . even though Crowder did exactly that.
Love seeing Crowder get support, but I think I prefer the “Change My Mind” segments without a small mob of fans. Crowder tried to be a comedian more than a serious debater off and on and it kinda threw it off for me.
Crowder is an entertainer hence the 1.6million followers on YT and the explosive growth in mug club! I think he should let Ben Shapiro do the debating on his show!
Ashaley Boo Yeah I think the smaller ones are more productive in what they are meant to do. But it looks like instead it is just crowder feeding off of the audience and making fun of/being aggresive to the point where its not needed. (Coming from a fan btw.)
Not only that...he's making so many jokes relying on the crowd, getting into Yusufs face, shifting the mic away at his discretion, etc. Crowder acted like a big bitch here
@@hassu2149 100% agree. This is why I don't think this show is actually ever about changing his mind. He panics here - plays to the crowd, diverts the conversation constantly, etc. because he knew he was losing.
He didn't get owned actually. Steven just didn't know how to react to the personal attacks and the strange, factually incorrect arguments thrown at him so quickly, so he scolded Yusef on his use of insults and logical fallacies, which was actually totally fair. I would expect any competent host to do the same. Yusef's very first argument about how the lack of a minimum wage will cause a country to collapse under an influx of unskilled labor is an atrocious argument and factually incorrect. Why is it that the two countries in the world with the highest quality of life and income (Singapore and Switzerland) have no minimum wage? Yet Scandinavian countries with the highest minimum wage in the world are now getting an influx of low skill immigrants and watching their crime rates (specifically rape) skyrocket. Essentially Yusef's very first and strongest argument gets utterly refuted by simple facts. He's a dumb college kid who knows nothing about the world and nothing about economics. He didn't destroy Steven at all.
I'm just reading the comment thread now, thank you. I don't even watch Crowder's show, nor like him. Funny that you had no rebuttal to anything I said, so I can see you got triggered by facts. Pretty sad. Well, Yusef tricked you and just about everyone else into thinking that going on someone's show and hurling out insults is a way to win debates. On the street, that's how you get knocked out, and in real logical debates, that's how you're instantly declared the loser. Kid was a little sophist cockroach.
Well. I've learned something here. If you just go up to the podium, insult the host of the show, and say he's losing the debate, people on RUclips will say the host got owned. The little punk kid doesn't know anything about economics, and all of his arguments about the minimum wage were factually incorrect. Yusef is like a pseudointellectual internet troll brought to real life. He made no single good point about how bigger government or a welfare state helps us. That's what he was brought on to demonstrate. Instead he just insulted the host. Pathetic.
I can imagine it now "I Won't Change My Mind Despite Valid Points Being Leveled and Resort to Pedantic Insults While My Fanbase Reveres Me As A God" IWCMMDVPBLARTPIWMFRMAAG for short.
What do you think? Is Socialism immoral? Where do you draw the line? And thanks to everyone who showed up! Standing in the mud for hours just to watch two people disagree. Was an awesome experience. Next time, we’ll bring the whole shebang!
In a word, yes.
StevenCrowder i draw the line at dont steal my hard earned money that i had to work hard to get!!!
“The goal of socialism IS communism”
-Vladimir Lenin
The government can’t play robin hood. If it tries to then nobody can truly be successful.
1.7M subscribers, man I remember when it was less than 100K, crazy how popular you have become in so little time, keep up the great work, it's really paying off!
Kid **breathes**
Crowder: "**you keep talking in paragraphs**"
So just lying about stuff I see
Yusef fucking wrecked him.
No
@@Penguinzero1 yes
@@TheJohnCooperShow no
@@zyradium yes
@@TheJohnCooperShow no
Having a rant about the word autistic to dismiss another person's chance to speak. Not very admirable I think.
tariq In the informal early 20th century sense it’s “originally with reference to a condition in which fantasy dominates over reality”
The Truth of the Matter the term “autists” isn’t the proper name for people who have autism... it’s a slang word that’s meant as an offense
He honestly seems a little bit autistic. Barely made eye contact.
He actually stated a person who uses logic is autistic as if logic didn't lead to truth when it's by definition a method of analysis of the truth value of sentences.
Logic and rationalism lead to false conclusions all of the time. @@legendasbr3211
Steven got fucking cooked.
Cooked? Yusuf called him a shill and he couldnt even define what a shill was LMAO
@@skinnie2838 Nice whataboutism.
@@skinnie2838 Steven lost hard. He got upset & shut down the debate because he knew he was losing. "Change my mind"? Lol sure, he doesn't want his mind changed.
@@skinnie2838you're under every comment. stop glazing & meat riding
@@skinnie2838 he actually defined it
Crowder wtf man? Why did you stop the discussion with Yousef? This was one of your best opponents. He didn't insult you either.
And who cares if he did? Crowder insulted him over and over. He even called him stupid toward the end. Phrasing it in terms like "I wouldn't say you're ... " is still insulting him, we're all smart enough to see that.
Jeremy Thomas Totally agree man. I noticed Crowded kept rephrasing the point Yousef meant. I think this was to give him time to think of a response. I still enjoy Crowder and acknowledge he's way smarter than I am but I would have like to have seen this go the distance
Because views
no shit, he profits off the ideas he espouses because it serves as a source of confirmation for those that hold the same belief. Why would he be open to adopting a stance that doesn't align with his audience's beliefs regardless of the veracity of the beliefs? This is the same tactic that fox news (Tucker Carlson specifically) adopts. It's all about the $$$ not truth.
The Patriotic Nobody has
Crowder is resorting to bullying tactics because that Yusef dude is actually well-informed and isn't the SJW snowflake he is used to. Poor show man, I had more respect for him before this.
Honestly, I have no idea how can anyone respect Crowder in a first place. His whole strategy is cherry-picking teenagers or people in their early 20's who know jackshit about economics and social dogmas to appear superior in comparison. This kid is certainly bright, but he is still an intellectual light-weight (no doubt he will become much better with age tho), and it was already enough to showcase how silly Crowder is in reality. He wouldn't last 5 seconds against actual left-wing intellectuals.
MrKosobi like who Bernie? 😂
@@mansfield360 you don't know that there are left-wing intellectuals? In what kind of echo chamber do you live in oO There are FAR more left-wing intellectuals than right-wing.
MrKosobi I think we should stop spending money on new military equipment and instead save the money up for a budget when we need it and start using money to research more advance technologies so when we go to war we can have a safety net of money we can use to build better equipment that will last longer I think clean energy and civil engineering is needed for future to be good but I don’t agree with globalization it would only slow us down in figuring out world problems same with micro aggressions and forcing equal demographics we should employ the best people not choose people based on their race progressives lately are doing the exact opposite
@@MrKosobi yusef may not be well known but he certainly didn't appear a lightweight. He correctly pointed out that if Crowder wanted to stick to his definition of evil, i.e. redistributing something not earned as morally reprehensible, any redistribution is immoral, no matter whether it's a good or a commodity. That is intellectually sharp for me. And frankly it left Crowder hiding for cover under misdirection.
#BringBackYusef
ERIK SMITH #cantdefineshill
Fanboy Joe. Lol.
I'd love to see an actual debate. This wasn't really a debate but more just arguing terms and definitions. Socialism is great in theory but when you debate the implementation that's where it falls apart.
J Corley Yusef was making nationalist points. A nationalist is concerned with his people’s well being first, and abstract principles of morality (eg. the NAP) last. As a nationalist I have no problem switching between free market principles in one area to protectionism in another and socialism in a third other.
If you were interested by Yusef’s perspective, look up youtubers like Alternative Hypothesis, Red Ice TV and podcasts like the Daily Shoah and Fash The Nation.
Joe Poe deflection
He did not let Yusuf talk. He knew he was losing his argumente.
Kid: *breaths*
Crowder: *define breathing*
You have to get real specific with the Bernie Sanders crowd.
They spend a great deal of time in Fantasyland.
@@TheRayKid101 You seem to like to separate sentences with commas.
@@ognir66 conservatives seem to spend all their time chasing morals, good and bad via theory and some dreamland utopia instead of striving to make good in the actuall world we live in.
@@ognir66 and the change my mind guy was wrong about Denmark's tax rate, so factually he is far from clean himself. That's what happens when you decide what you believe and then go looking for facts instead of learning about a subject and then forming an opinion. Then he would learn that Denmark has a flat regional tax and progressive(borderline exponential with a cap off) national tax.
@@SicknastyFPS Thank you for noticing one of my scholarly traits. :)
Germany does have a minimum wage of 8,84 Euros since three years now.
Do your research Crowder... You already lost me at that point
www.change.org/p/steven-crowder-get-yusef-back-on-youtube
This really should be called, "I won't change my mind, even if you are right".
and Denmark does have progressive taxes according to google top results, this was no doubt stevens weakest Change my mind
I feel like these are better without such big crowds..
Yeah the wooping really holds the actual discussions back.
Darius Gray The crowd was extremely annoying and tried to be funny but instead just ended up acting like a giant shadow of crowder
Darius Gray I agree, was not the same as the others and didn’t seem like “change my mind”
i dont think anyone actually thinks these are better with big crowds, as they said this wasnt planned.
I agree, but at the same time the whole show got railroaded by the School. So in lieu of the proper show, I liked it; understanding however that the proper live show would have been better.
Yusef entered this debate with every disadvantage. Hostile crowd, no mic, no preprepared talking points. And he still mauled crowder.
I like how Yusef would say like three words and Steven is like "whoa whoa slow down with your paragraphs trying to sound all smart"
He didn't prove socialism isny evil or change his mind that's the whole point
That only happened one time
it happened about 3 or 4 times
I like how he expects simple answers to complex questions and when yusuf starts explaining what he means Crowder immediately changes the subject and says he isn't sticking to topic. Its sad.
People just don’t understand socialism. We have socialism now except it goes to the people who don’t have jobs. Real socialism would help everyone
That Yusuf kid was really smart. I felt like Steven was trying really hard to change Yusuf's mind, rather than the other way around. I don't like how Steven conducted the debate with him.
Steven immediately recognized he was intelectually outmatched big time. It was almost like he was looking for approval on this one.
What drugs are you on?
Matthew Forslund TLDR.
Learn to use a comma fuck stick
Matthew Forslund are you talking about when he said shill?
Because if you were actually listening to Yousefs substantives then you must recognise he is far more knowledgable than most.
It speaks for itself when Crowder literally ended the debate in fear and latched onto the use of the word “Autistic” instead of the actual arguments; no doubt because he knew he’d already lost.
I do think that Yosef has a point that big businesses hinder society, and that large economic inequality does provoke violence. I do think there is a solution that will help. That is to ban all lobbying. And prosecute lobbying. I don’t know if there are rules and laws that already do that in a sense. I am not educated in that area, except that in the book The Chickenshit Club, there is a grand historical documentation of corrupt leadership in our legal prosecution system, where the repetitive example is of the defense bar of the United States Lawyers Defense Bar Association ( I made that name to make it easy for people not educated in what a defense bar is) is retaliatory against the prosecuting Attorney General, or the lawyers who prosecute, every single time they went after executives of big businesses, and also when they prosecute their enablers (the certified public accountants, high level managers of banks overseeing transactions). The retaliation is so vast, that since the 90’s and early 2000’s, there has been widespread fear among the prosecutors (lawyers working for the government) that is they prosecute too hard, they lose their careers. Why is this obvious? That is easy; notice that these lawyers no longer prosecute the executives. The lawsuits of today’s big businesses prosecution is a fee that looks like a slap on the wrist, and even bailing out the guilty corporations. No executives go to prison today, in a practical and impactful leven that discourages stupidity like selling securities backed by crap mortgages. And this happens because the defense bar makes a profit from retaliating against the prosecution of big businesses, and so the Bar Associations is a puppet of large businesses with executives sticking their hands up the defense bar’s behinds and having them do their bidding. It comes down to the incredibly huge profits that corporations pay the defense lawyers. Prosecutors never come close to half a fraction of the income these defense lawyers make. Thus, the defense attorneys are overcompensated while the prosecution is under funded, underemployed, and low in morale. The bar association for lawyers have a huge influence on law, because though they don’t make them, they interpret them and choose how and what to enforce.
As you can see, my answer is not socialist, but rather to support the objective role of the government under a capitalist nation. When organizations like Bar Associations for Attorneys is influenced by large businesses, it no longer is capable of objectivity. They are biased.
Notice another example, which is large communication businesses moving to control and censor internet use by means of compensating or financially denying profits according to that businesses interest. You think the prosecuting attorneys can properly defend the people when there is a violation against citizens rights to access to information? Though some will argue that information is a privilege, not a right. How about the platform or the availability to information? Some may even argue that a platform for information is also a privilege. I disagree, and I bet the defense bar will agree.
Further, the problem is that compensating defense lawyers isn’t known as lobbying. Lobbying is to pay for making or taking down laws. But few people see that paying for the interpretation and bias of prosecution or defense relating to this laws are also corporate influence. It is lot lobbying only because the definition in the dictionary doesn’t agree with it, but for practical purposes it is indeed lobbying. It is the corporate influence in how to and what to interpret of the law.
I would argue that the first kid is very informed and crowder was not ready for it. I enjoy crowders show but he can come off as very arrogant and condescending.
It's a habit of his when he starts to lose ground.
One might say, calling someone’s views “autisic” and “shill” might be arrogant and condescending
Well.... He IS French Canadian ;)
listen to it again
You see Steven's gesture and body language seems different when he faced Yousef.
Don’t like how Crowder handled Yousef saying autistic, he held it against him then cut him off with it. Sounded like a true offended SJW
J_Smith-26 do people not understand that Crowder is a right wing SJW. Talk about psychological projection with him
The part where Yusef the Autistic shill tries to propose Sweden, Norway and Denmark as examples of Socialist countries that work? Only that the PM of Denmark corrected Bernie Sanders in saying that they AREN’T a socialist country? Or where Sweden uses school vouchers but Yusef the Austist doesn’t like that idea? Or where he doesn’t support an increase in taxes on the middle class and lower class, which is exactly what these socialist countries he tries to use as good example of socialism do? When confronted with the reality of what they actually do, he says they “should change it”.... He also doesn’t support decreasing the corporate tax, which again is what they do in Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
So at what point did he make any good statements that don’t contradict himself? He literally had NO argument of supportive facts. He disagreed with the policies of these “socialist” countries he propped up as examples. Even though they aren’t socialist countries to begin with... haha
And you still wonder why Crowder had to end it after all this kid’s backtracking and name calling? J_Smith-26
Stephen Johnson dude shut your bitch ass up your boy got wrecked
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@@harryc8184 Stephen Johnson brought up good points and all you have to say is "shut your bitch ass up." Great discussion.
Holy crap Crowder... LET YUSEF SPEAK. You interrupted him every time the kid tried to make a point. You get 6 inches away from his face, wave your hand around and you were the one that played to the crowd. You really came off as condescending and you had the balls to tell him that he was being disrespectful?
Also, he wasn’t saying that you were autistic... He was saying a certain idea was autistic. Instead of tying who you are with what you believe and getting offended (which is the way someone you usually make fun of would act like) you actually listen and take in what the person talking was saying like a REAL CONVERSATION. You were the one that was acting like you were in a big crowd of people, not him.
You constantly steered the conversation the way that you wanted it and the way you were prepared for. If this would have been in a fair environment where BOTH people had a microphone then I wonder if you would have came out on top of this argument.
I’ve been a fan for a long time, but this is the lowest I’ve ever thought of you. #BringBackYusef
Seriously! I'm a fan but Crowder was very aggressive, almost trying to intimidate. Also the way he used the word "autistic" wasn't as an insult, but as a synonym for pedantic. #BringBackYousef
How does exactly idea of libertariaism is related to this medical condition? Let's face it, Crowder wasn't polite, but Yusef hadn't had any good idea worth listening to in the first place.
www.change.org/p/steven-crowder-get-yusef-back-on-youtube
@@magnusmoty well Steven never gave him a chance. Steven was prepared, yet he was shocked by the kids level of general Intelligence.
Say what you want, but you can hear it when someone is sharp. And this kid was. Defined terms on the fly, held on to ideas Crowder had touched on and was able to redirect Crowder back to a point Crowder had made that he wanted to explore more.
Caught Steven on his failure to distinguish between public good and commodity in his original definition of Socialism.
A very good point, seeing as Steven was the one who wanted to be particular about defining everything.
Steven was shook all through the discussion, and wasn't able to follow his script. That's why he feigned being insulted and then proceeded to insult the kid multiple times. Yet the kid did not respond in kind. Except calling him out for being mad coz he was losing the debate.
@@diranshouse7061 Okay, Crowder didn't let him speak and this is bad. But I wonder, if Yusef's pro-socialist rhetoric is so good, why do we never see it anywhere else? Why don't socialists generally engage in debates, if there is this holy graal of real socialistic truth? Why don't socialists sit somewhere with banner saying "Socialism is good, change my mind" and gather views by debunking capitalists' viewpoints?
When Crowder starts losing, he starts attacking the words of debator and starts back tracking, what a baby.
I'm not sure it's about winning or losing, I thought it was a pretty good debate...Crowder is a bit of a stirrer I think but a harmless one...and Canadian too.
He didn't prove socialism isnt evil or change his mind that's the whole point
Let's see you do better in his shoes. I mean everyone is criticizing him, but I don't think many would have been able to do differently if put in his place.
@@JitSlayer because crowder refuses that ,or why do u think he interrupts him multiple times
He didn't even lose though. Were you listening to what he was saying? Or are you just piggy backing because Yusef said he was winning and crowder said "that was fair? I don't know why people think Yusef won that argument, he didn't. Most of you didn't even understand his language. Having good articulation doesn't say you won an argument. He wasn't making points, he was just talking and talking without giving direct answers
Yusuf toe tagged Crowder
Calling someone insults in a civil debate is a sign they lost the argument
@@theegamer8401 calling someone insults? what a complete misinterpretation. He referred to the libertarian viewpoint as autistic and that is genuinely a great word to to use to describe it
Looked like Mr. Chowder regretted asking Yousef about examples of the rich paying to abuse the system and increase their wealth, seeing as how he never let Yousef finish. Yousef had plenty examples and counterarguments, he just wasn’t given the time to speak. Grow some balls Stephen. And the fact that Yousef called him a shill, clearly struck a nerve, probably because there is some truth to his insult.
and then he goes on to shill his $6 pamphlets. he's a joke
I do think that Yosef has a point that big businesses hinder society, and that large economic inequality does provoke violence. I do think there is a solution that will help. That is to ban all lobbying. And prosecute lobbying. I don’t know if there are rules and laws that already do that in a sense. I am not educated in that area, except that in the book The Chickenshit Club, there is a grand historical documentation of corrupt leadership in our legal prosecution system, where the repetitive example is of the defense bar of the United States Lawyers Defense Bar Association ( I made that name to make it easy for people not educated in what a defense bar is) is retaliatory against the prosecuting Attorney General, or the lawyers who prosecute, every single time they went after executives of big businesses, and also when they prosecute their enablers (the certified public accountants, high level managers of banks overseeing transactions). The retaliation is so vast, that since the 90’s and early 2000’s, there has been widespread fear among the prosecutors (lawyers working for the government) that is they prosecute too hard, they lose their careers. Why is this obvious? That is easy; notice that these lawyers no longer prosecute the executives. The lawsuits of today’s big businesses prosecution is a fee that looks like a slap on the wrist, and even bailing out the guilty corporations. No executives go to prison today, in a practical and impactful leven that discourages stupidity like selling securities backed by crap mortgages. And this happens because the defense bar makes a profit from retaliating against the prosecution of big businesses, and so the Bar Associations is a puppet of large businesses with executives sticking their hands up the defense bar’s behinds and having them do their bidding. It comes down to the incredibly huge profits that corporations pay the defense lawyers. Prosecutors never come close to half a fraction of the income these defense lawyers make. Thus, the defense attorneys are overcompensated while the prosecution is under funded, underemployed, and low in morale. The bar association for lawyers have a huge influence on law, because though they don’t make them, they interpret them and choose how and what to enforce.
As you can see, my answer is not socialist, but rather to support the objective role of the government under a capitalist nation. When organizations like Bar Associations for Attorneys is influenced by large businesses, it no longer is capable of objectivity. They are biased.
Notice another example, which is large communication businesses moving to control and censor internet use by means of compensating or financially denying profits according to that businesses interest. You think the prosecuting attorneys can properly defend the people when there is a violation against citizens rights to access to information? Though some will argue that information is a privilege, not a right. How about the platform or the availability to information? Some may even argue that a platform for information is also a privilege. I disagree, and I bet the defense bar will agree.
Further, the problem is that compensating defense lawyers isn’t known as lobbying. Lobbying is to pay for making or taking down laws. But few people see that paying for the interpretation and bias of prosecution or defense relating to this laws are also corporate influence. It is lot lobbying only because the definition in the dictionary doesn’t agree with it, but for practical purposes it is indeed lobbying. It is the corporate influence in how to and what to interpret of the law.
Gotta say, yusef won this and Chowder couldn't handle it, so he had to boot him and then push his argument to get the last word on a depricative joke. 0% class and 0% skill, utterly frustrated and let down that chowder acted so autistic and shill-like.
He was given the time to speak. He simply refused to cite specific examples because he kept vacillating on his own argument. Usually means he doesn't actually have any examples and that he's simply ranting.
Even as a fan it seemed like Crowder just up and refused to listen to something that would actually change his mind or perspective. Makes you think...
Crowder really got exposed in this video.
ally s , so he had to switch topics halfway thru. There were plenty of people itching to debate him on socialism.
How?
yea bouy are you Crowder's butt buddy? Always attacking anyone that points something negative about him hahaha
@@kwekstar44 you haven’t seen many of his videos? He has 1-2 topics normally.
@@smurfiennes yes used to watch him a lot 2 years ago. lol nice to hear from you. how are you?
I'm a fan, but Germany DOES HAVE a minimum wage. It's is about 10$ an hour (≈8,50€). So he was wrong right at the beginning 😬
On the first of January 2019 it will become 9,19€. It´s currently at 8.84€. Just wanted to led you know=)
Emperor Maximilian The Great Exactly.
Denmark pretty much has minimum wage too (much higher than us too) and progressive tax.
Lol all the scandinavian countries also have a minimum wage + a welfare system
If you are going to compare you should compare everything. It is like saying a boat does not have a wing so why does an airplane need one. It is all about understanding what you are talking about.
Unions in the US are weak, unions in Europe are much stronger. Also the things you can buy for the money you get matters. What other support exists, house rental support, child support and possibly others.
In the end what matters is the net money you have in your pocket and what you can do with it.
Also Germany is not really socialist, it is capitalist in most ways with maybe some socialist aspects.
Basics in most European countries, the money you get from a 40 hour work week should be enough to live from no matter what work you do.
Left wing parties in the US are also to eager to point to europe without context. I understand why, but you should first understand the full consequences, benefits and dependencies.
How did i just find all these old videos! Its crazy to see u young in videos thank u for all u do and for everything uve suffered for free speach
Ehhhh Steven reminded me of a triggered feminist during the first debate
How was Yusef rude? You were never rude to your guests no matter how offensive or rude they were to you up until this point. He's holding his own ground. He barely interrupted you and he gave you the same patience and courtesy you've given your previous guests. You don't have to call him out on being a dick or being rude to you, giving off such distasteful body language, and picking at his vocabulary which wasn't even directed to offend you personally. When you have a discussion with someone who has a different view point from yours, you already risk being offended and I thought you of all people would know that and would have kept it 'civil,' as you always had. I share a lot of your view points and I don't fully understand all these concepts, which is why I like watching your debates because you're thorough in your opinions, but this was terrible to watch.
y'all???? speak English
You've never heard of a contraction? Lmfao go back to 2nd grade
Regine Santiago I couldnt agree more. Whats ur IG??
the big Cartel how u got Ne-Yo as ur avi and criticize “yall”? meatwad
he was clearly rude lol... sly rudeness... smart guy with a plan coming in. cool to see bc crowder doesnt usually get those
Yusef is /our guy/.
If that's your guy, then you are fucked.
Yousef crushed this dude, holy shit
Yusef was a stone cold, well spoken, terminator. He owned Crowder, BADLY. Crowder had a meltdown at 23:03 that he should not have let happen. 'Shill' was an embarrassing word to be triggered by and suggesting Yusef was being rude... focusing way too much on trivial words like that in his emotional tirade. Even having to debrief the crowd afterwards to try and recover. Cringe! Change his mind or not, Yusef obliterated!
@@fallenxangel105 no...you thought he won. But he didn't actually address the argument. He would make a fallacy then change subjects and went on long winded rants that were not about the debate issue.
@@infopocalypse5006 How did he go on "long winded rants" when crowder barely would let him finish a sentence before pulling the mic away. Lol. You are literally describing the actions of the person you are trying to defend. Projection at its finest
John Adams said " "Avarice will break this Constitution like a whale breaks through a net" and he said "This Constitution (or government, can't remember which right now) is only for a moral and religious people and is wholly inadequate for the governing of any other". Morality and self-sacrifice can't be legislated and forced through socialism because it always ends up worse, sometimes MUCH WORSE; so we've got to figure out how to influence people to change in order to save the Republic.
TheFirstCause ssssss
using the work 'autistic' to begin with is not very admirable.
I really like Crowder... but was disapponted by him in this one.
Instead of listening to the first guy he was a sensitive triggered snowflacke...
Sorry but the guy was right there: 23:24 . Steven got upset and that's not what change my mind should be. If you loose, you have to stand to it and not be an asshole
He never lost. The rules of engagement for a debate arnt to be rude. Keep it logical.
Telarius - Right, which is why it was a problem that Crowder was so rude and illogical here.
Crowder knew what he meant by shill and autistic. Yusef plainly has a well thought out argument whether it's correct or incorrect and came at an angle Crowder wasn't ready for... Don't pick on the dude for being smart
Ry Rez well dont throw out words like autistic and shill in a civil debate
Masta Killa crowder wanted to know if yuseph knew what those words meant. It was suppose to be civil. The fact that yuseph didnt even know what shill meant just goes to show you that he doesnt know what he is talking about. He is just spouting nonsense
Crowder getting hung up on the use of the word "autism" was so disengenous. Yusef obviously meant it as a synonym for "stupid", but Crowder decided to (ironically, quite autistically) steer the entire conversation away from socialism (conveniently when Yusef was making good points) and onto a semantic red herring.
What annoyed me was that he tried to take some sort of moral high ground and then swing back later with "Now the thing you just said is what YOU might call autistic!" and "Wow, what you're saying now, is what YOU might call stupid!"
Crowder likely pushed him on the definitions to highlight the fact that name calling is a departure from the topic. The kid was tasked with proving Socialism is great and he failed to convince me for one. Name calling is the lower form of argument without question.
well, Yusef obviously used the wrong synonym for stupid.
I love how crowder keeps leaning forward closer to yousef
That was awful, lost the first debate and removed the kid. There is no point of the show if you're reluctant to changing your mind or accepting the other persons views
James Ghazanfar no shit, he profits of the ideas he espouses because it serves as a source of confirmation for those that hold the same belief. Why would he be open to adopting a stance that doesn't align with his audience's beliefs?
Mate its called change my mind he can chat whatever crud he wants but if hes not 'open' to others opinions in the aim to have his mind changed then why even bother with the show and its name.
www.change.org/p/steven-crowder-get-yusef-back-on-youtube
Because that's what he promotes. Open conversations, attaining the possibility to adopt another stance, are what he claims the 'change my mind' series is about.
'The True Geordie'
If the first kid couldn’t change his mind I don’t think the point of this exercise is honest.
exactly he doesnt want his mind changed
He would rather fly across 2 universes and back before he changes his mind.
@@musicdiary5768 the kid didn’t say anything convincing...
@Ryan Quinn Given the 2 seconds that he was allowed at a time I think he did a pretty good job.
Yeah because he proved Socialism isn't evil but it'd be embarrassing to admit infront of his crowd of fans.
Yusuf got him on this one tbh. If it is 'Change My Mind' then you have be open to the slight possibility of that happening. Rather than digging in, cutting him off, or getting unnecessarily defensive about a word like 'autistic'. It's ok to concede sometimes.
Just my feedback. Great series!
Zuby this is a good and fair comment. Keeping it positive and relevant.
www.change.org/p/steven-crowder-get-yusef-back-on-youtube
Yep i used to agree in some Steven Subjects, but ge got rekt it was clearly that he was not willing to change his mind even if he could not explain himself properly in that instance. He even got triggered when he always complain about "leftards sensitive people".
True
I don’t think it’s about who “got” who, or who won the debate. It mostly boils down to fundamental beliefs. I agree he doesn’t really seem willing to change his mind even if he says he is. However, in the end, this is a conversation. And I think if Yusuf changed our mind, that’s great! If Steven changed your mind, that’s great! But I think the point of the video is to clearly state both viewpoints. If you think Yusuf won the debate, then I think the video served it purpose lol I guess my point is, this isn’t a win or lose debate. It’s supposed to be a civil conversation about opposing views, even if this convo kind of went uncivil rather quickly haha
I think Yusef was just too intelligent for Crowder, and I am a fan of his. Yousef was really out of Crowder's league here. Yusef did a really good job making his arguments and maintained a calm demeanor.
yea bouy nope. I am a DIE HARD Ron Paul Republican. You know what they say about assuming?
Add a 'yeeeehaaawww' next time DeezNeez01
You're an idiot. #Cardcarryingidiot
Yusef and Ben Shapiro next! 👍
www.change.org/p/steven-crowder-get-yusef-back-on-youtube
Yusuf is way smarter than Steven " hold on a second" Crowder
Yusef is not smart at all. Yusef's very first argument about how the lack of a minimum wage will cause a country to collapse under an influx of unskilled labor is an atrocious argument and factually incorrect. Why is it that the two countries in the world with the highest quality of life and income (Singapore and Switzerland) have no minimum wage? Yet Scandinavian countries with the highest minimum wage in the world are now getting an influx of low skill immigrants and watching their crime rates (specifically rape) skyrocket. Essentially Yusef's very first and strongest argument gets utterly refuted by simple facts. He's a dumb college kid who knows nothing about the world and nothing about economics. He didn't destroy Steven at all.
@@dustinransom4572 Dude are you dump? Switzerland has a Minimum wage And singapore in some case too . Seriously how dump are you
Ramish Butt “While Switzerland has no official minimum wage,a majority of the voluntary collective bargaining agreements contain clauses on minimum compensation,ranging from 2,200 to 4,200 francs per month for unskilled workers and from 2,800 to 5,300 francs per month for skilled employees.” Minimum-wage.org
Man you could’ve googled it and not looked as dumb as you do now. Besides, “how dumb are you?” Isn’t a rhetorical argument and doesn’t make a discussion go anywhere.
The person you responded to is correct in what he is talking about. Yusuf slipped up when he brought up minimum wage, because he read the Communist manifesto once and thought he could be a socialism apologist like Slavoj Žižek. His arguments didn’t even address Crowders claim.
@@BlackOrkid777 Dustin statement about Minimum wage and increasing crimes with unskilled workers doesnt correlate . These things resulted from different causes.
Just so you know crowder lied about progressive taxes And minimum wages.
www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp
Of course there are many parameters which effect the quality of life but See it for yourself the list is predominantly with countries who have a minimum wage. And btw Steven never Adressed anything he just kept playing the whiny SJW which he claims to hate.
I love Louder with crowder and all the great content they make, but the first interview was the lowest I have ever seen him.
Thomas Murphy yeah, poor performance
Thomas Murphy True, agreed, however, at least he posted it. At least despite how triggered he got it's still in the video. Some icing on his shit cake first interview lol.
Crowders kryptonite Yusef
Crowdy was so salty, because he got destroyed
im having flashbacks to jontron vs destiny
fruitypeebils dude.. that was a salt massacre
16:17
your welcome, did you even watch the debate?
He called him (a libertarian or at least his way of thinking autistic, there by defining him as autistic?)
Or what do you mean?
RoboPutin 4 President in 4000CE he clearly said the frame of thought was autistic..not Steven.
Try again
Yusef: *Breathes*
Crowder: Hold on a second!
😂 yea crowder was a bit triggered in this one.
That's some good shit right there 😆
haha wait for the fanboy dick riders to come up with a reply. I bet they can't resist once they see at the top!
Quit it with those paragraphs!
Yusef: blinks
Crowder: whoaaa! do you even know what blinking means?! Give the exact definition of blinking smart guy!
Germany has minimum wage. Just to add.
Throne on top of that the reason why all the Scandinavian countries don't have minimum wage is that they have extremely strong unions (you have to join a union to work in Iceland) and the unions negotiate minimum wages based on the industry, not only is that most likely more practical from an economic standpoint but hilariously it is much more *Socialist* having workers in trade unions set the wage than the state. Crowder also hilariously said Denmark had a flat tax when the Danes are famous for their extremely high progressive tax system.
Norway basically has a minimum wage aswell, depending on which field you work in. For example cleaners have a min. wage of 177 NOK which is 22 USD
That's the comment I was looking for! Thanks!
That it does, it was instituted in 2015, last I knew it didn't but a quick Google search showed that it had changed.
The netherlands as well
You got owned crowder
Poor form, Steven, Yusuf clearly won and cutting the fellow at every occasion showed you were rattled. Not a socialist btw.
ash trey he won using which arguments?
One thing I learned in my years is if someone has to tell me something like "I'm not lying" then 99% of the time they are lying.
conservative socialist, no crowder, he's a national socialist
My word that first debate was hard to watch. I think the crowd played to Steven’s ego. The young man was very reasonable in his approach, whereas we saw a rather Cenk-ier side to Crowder. In the future I’d recommend a different approach, especially when you’re losing a debate.
Bintrux1 He wasn’t calling crowder or anyone else autistic, it’s just banter and crowder is internet savvy enough to know that. He only made a big deal of it to rally the crowd because he was having trouble addressing the kid’s arguments.
+Mk Sv Yeah I'm a huge Crowder fan actually, I just didn't like the deflection so much. I think the young man meant "rigid, unemotional and single-minded" when he used the word "autistic". There was little reason for Steven to be so offended.
Yusuf absolutely crushes Crowder . It wasn’t even close .
I mean he didn't which is why he resulted to name calling.
@@theegamer8401you’re delusional
@@michaeldonovan7522 aye name calling just like the immature kid. That's crazy 😂
Germany has a minimum wage not sure if he doesn’t know or lying on purpose
€9.35
@@Victory987 just a small thing: you put the € after the number. (nitpick I know)
@Cameron Sole yes, obviously. But humor me and tell me why
Depends on country
@@luckierloser The European Union did indeed usher a guideline on the use of the euro sign, stating it should be placed in front of the amount without any space in English, but after the amount in most other languages
I think when you’re losing a debate you pull the mic away and divert the conversation to something irrelevant.
This is why i dislike crowder. The moment he gets called out on his bullshit he acts like nothing happened. He has a big following so he will use them as a kob to attack his guests.
I don't think you were particularly fair to Yusuf. It seems like you were looking for, as you point out with your pamphlet afterwards, the buzzwords so you could "point out" how his argument was faulty. Really, you just talked over him rather than listen to what he was actually saying. His argument was simply that your statement was faulty, there are degrees of socialism and to say ALL socialism is evil is like saying ALL capitalism is evil. But why listen when you can just look for perceived attacks on your character?
www.change.org/p/steven-crowder-get-yusef-back-on-youtube
Nahhh crowder did Yusef dirty. He was incredibly well spoken
Shame the first guy was kicked off like that just because he liked your content
And well Yousef was basically kicked off for being smart
Ruben Toder it’s only fair until he gets a knowledgeable opponent. But that is nothing new.
yea bouy Stop spamming the comments you worthless piece of human garbage.
yea bouy fuck you and your worthless life you dog
I am a Crowder fan, but everytime Yusef tried to make a good point Steven would take the mic away.
Not true.
@@liamscott1905 You have convinced me.
@@liamscott1905 Good way to argue m8. Do you have a binder for your facts?
What good points? I’m confused. He was deflecting with all these “ big words” and Crowder was making him explain it, because that’s the tactic of the left. They either scream and get emotional or use all these “ big words” to confuse people. A lot like politicians.
What good points ?
We get it Crowder, he called something 'autistic'.
Yusef made an off-hand comment in a high pressure environment. He also tried to take accountability for his words, tried to redefine his words in a civil fashion after you claimed moral outrage, but you still let yourself repeatedly circle back to that original slight.
yeah that was pretty fucked. Honestly anyone in that kids position would definitely feel a tad' out of place. You'd expect someone like Crowder to let it go, but he kinda ran with it and honestly it took away from the total experience.
The point is for a civil discussion to happen, he shouldn't have made the comment in the first place. Instead of outright admitting his fault or at least apologizing, Yusef tried to lamely justify his use of "autistic." It's rather typical of leftists to issue an insult in civil discourse and then try to explain why they're right.
Any attempt to defend Yusef's comment only demonstrates that those kind of people want to validate personal insults during an exchange of ideas and call it "civil." It simply doesn't work.
AdderTude Why do you think everyone advocating for some from of socialism is necessarily a leftist?
What manner of logic had you extrapolate a claim I never explicitly made?
AdderTude "it's rather typical of leftists to issue an insult in civil discourse"
You think Yusuf is a leftist. What is the basis of that assumption?
Crowder is incredibly condescending
Since when do Germany, Sweden and Finland not have a minimum wage?
minimum wages are enforced by the government. our so called "minimum wages" are enfoced by the diffrent labour unions.
emptyforrest Germany at least has both. A enforced law by government but additionally work sector minimum wages
Correct. I am from Germany and we indeed do have minimum wage here and it is actually not that new anymore. Crowder needs to get his facts straight.
Mayor of R'lyeh genau! Even though I have kinda the same view, you can't just bring up some wrong facts.
Tiny Marethyu Yeah, it just shows how weak his arguments are and that you he is just in it for a group mentality not because facts or reason convinced you. It is not the first time he is delivering wrong facts that especially the uninformed and those who just want their pathological world view confirmed just swallow.
Crowder goes on for like 10 minutes.
Crowder: "...Correct?"
Yousef: "Not exac-"
Crowder: "You seem to like to talk in longer paragraphs."
@DeadlyNeedle ! He didn't call him autistic. Watch the video again.
@DeadlyNeedle ! Oh, so you are one of those (people who just can't seem to let go of a word, like Crowder, except he uses it to antagonize and continually insult his fellow debater). He never called Crowder autistic. Period.
Now, again. If you really disagree on my view, it's totally ok. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Maybe not so in this case, because we are talking facts, but still, ultimately opinion are subjective. So even if most people would agree that Crowder lost the debate despite his continuous use of cheap tactics, you are free to go on and say "No. That's not what happened."
@@sergiobricenos You are straw-manning his position. DeadlyNeedle never said Yousef called Crowder autistic. You are literally arguing with a wall right now because that's not his position.
@@dec5847 I think I have been arguing with a wall the whole time since my first response.
@@sergiobricenos You would be correct. Since your first response you have misrepresented his position. Thanks for admitting to being an idiot.
the saddest part, i was really into this discussion and learned more about the topic. suddenly you kicked him out. that was a very bad and sad move
The evil CCP has murdered 80 million of its own people since 1949. It is now torturing, organ harvesting and executing the 100 million Falun Gong who live in China, pure godless evil. The problem is that Wall Street spells human right$ like that, never exposing the true nature of the Satanic CCP.
His followers cant see he clearly isnt smart and cant handle someone smart that calls him out
This is his whole thing lol. If you can’t see that you haven’t been paying attention enough
@@Wopedomernah usually most of the people he encounters are idiots. I think in general he does a good job at exposing people for having straw man opinions.
However, its frustrating that when someone comes along who has good intellect and reasoning, he wont give them their fair shot. Its clear he wants to grab the most amount of idiots from the left possible to make himself look better because those are usually the people triggered by the signs.
In reality, this video topic is not one many blue haired morons are gonna get triggered by. Someone who disagrees with him is actually gonna have some facts behind what they say
Yusef got a taste of the "real" Crowder that Crowder's ex-wife knows.
Crowder: "You speak in paragraphs..."
Also Crowder: Speaks in paragraphs the entire debate.
Crowder got real defensive real quick,
tom williams calling someone autistic is the equivalent to calling someone a bitch in my eyes , fighting words .
Nathan Murdoch Also it is socialist and communist behaiviour to silence someone for what they are saying. Yusef has freedom of speech, which means he can call him a shill or an autist. That is what freedom of speech is and steven silenced him.
@@nathanmurdoch6053 Didn't call him autistic, called his argument that.
Incredibly disappointed with Steven here. It's worse that he hasn't commented on it or reached out to Yussef.
Reach out to a well spoken idiot? Why?
@@Leroy816 Yousef destroyed Steven in this debate. that's why.
Leroy816 Steven got raped
An idiot? Yusef was 100% correct and won the debate. Socialism is not evil, PEOPLE are. Fun fact: Yusef is a conservative just like Crowder. He was trolling Crowder.
@Whoopedy Doo Dooders
Yusef didnt even address the argument never mind actually "win" it, clear victory for crowder.
The distinction is clear between an intellectual and a loud mouth.
I wonder what would happen if you were to fuse them. Would that grant infinite power?
@@slimonxviii3115 nah
@@godzpeedx7ii75 Thank you for letting me know. I will be able to sleep soundly now.
@@slimonxviii3115 "ego is inversely proportional to knowledge"
@@Proper_Time Epic Einstein qoute I think, I might be wrong.
Crowder doesn’t want his mind change. Not a good faith debate
Right, because calling your opposition "autistic" and "shill" is so good faith. 🙄
@gondar6181 Nope, kek
Yusef's IQ was too high to ride that ride, got kicked off.
Was funny when he used shill perfectly and got kicked off for it... If one shills for something, they back it enthusiasticly to convince others to do likewise
Connel Wilson and then crowder misused the words completely! I can't quote him exactly but it was something like "oh now you're getting hypothetical like you're autistic" when autism is being unable to grasp hypotheticals. He's more interested in busting chops than actually arguing, that much is clear, especially when he's losing. And then he's like "I'm not mad" when he obviously was. It was very hard to watch and I'm not even a fan. Very embarrassing.
Except Yusef first used "autistic" in a negative way describing it as leaning towards fantasy and hypotheticals. I feel like you weren't quite listening in the beginning and thats okay, not everyone fully listens to things that they find uninteresting. And as for "shill", the full definition was not used by your fellow commentors. Its more than enthusiastically backing things to convince others. For starters you have to be an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler to even be part of the definition.
Cory Washburn Why can't you quote him exactly when the quote is in the video you're commenting on, you fucking idiot.
I think Crowder was threatened, and that he was being a condescending asshole
Crowder i hope you're reading your comments
anitalianguy he is. He knows well he got creamed. But, he will learn. You would hope.
Fact is, crowder is very entertaining but he has a ceiling in debates. And Youssef was definitely in that ceiling.
Nunya, I agree
Daniel Perez you are calling the overwhelming majority of conservatives who commented fools
@Daniel Perez Where did he did wrong? He did good points but crowder responds with "back to the autistic...." or make him explain, stop sucking his dick you dumbass
@Daniel Perez crowder sucks.
yusuf changed my mind
@@Erl0sung what "fanboys"? so i am "triggered" just because i am responding to people's stupidity? it's called responding dumbass. the following is the actual definition of "triggered". i'm gonna enjoy watching u filthy panhandlers and welfare cheats aka bernie and hillary supporters implode at DJT's agenda over the next 6 years just like this transgender weirdo did. 😂😂😂😂 ruclips.net/video/wDYNVH0U3cs/видео.html
how is Crowder "AUTISTIC"? do you mouth breathing dipshits even know what "AUTISTIC" means? you think doctors should treat some pathetic patient (who is possibly a leftist or a democratic voter) for "free" or a fixed price? i think that would constitute slavery dipshit. now i know you leftist subhumans have always defended slavery but slavery was abolished a long time ago by the Republicans!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 someone forgot to tell yusef and his disgusting ilk of subhumans that america is the land of freedoms NOT free shit. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
the simple fact is left wing voters and trump haters in general have gotten way too entitled, uppity and parasitic over the last 50 years.
@@MrKosobi since when is "self preservation" wrong dipshit? and how is yusef not virtue signaling? how are they "buzzwords" or how am i a "fucking autist"? since when does the government owe you filthy panhandlers healthcare or college or a standard of living? please enlighten me.
@@kaiseed1117 where do you entitled welfare cheats aka bernie supporters get your mindless talking points from? The young turds? Secular talk? these pathetic late night comedians? 😂
@@DBZFan2Yusuf unlike NO ONE in the previous videos of Crowder Had. He had P R E P A R E T I O N he knew what he was saying and he did put good argument into the tables but it was very rude or Crowder to do things that he did in the video (even if he winned the debate you need to see that Crowder was very toxic) And i think Crowder lost the debate and Yusuf wins winned in the debate and in being an adult something that Crowder wasnt, But if this dint changed your mind about Yusuf dont bother replying i wont read back or even reply again (but just for the other people reading if he correct my grammer or used huge ammount of bad words it means i won C; )
DBZFan2 Damn bitch, why you so hurt lmao. Someone tell you that DBZ sucks and it hurt your feelings? 😂😂😂
Yusef bodied him.
No, he didn't. He doesn't even understand that people aren't equal, therefore his vision of equality doesn't work.
@@dubsspilly5864 What did he say to make you think that?
@@RoofRat62 He thinks there shouldn't be a wealth gap. That's stupid. Yeah, socialism makes everyone equal, but equally poor.
@@dubsspilly5864 Only if you have a lax immigration policy and the value of a countries economy is diluted
Crowder got bodied so he cut the interview short
I love how steven calls yousef out on speaking in paragraphs just to make himself sound smarter, when he does the same thing. Also why was he was so bothered by the use of autistic when he always rants about the importance of free speech in comedy. What a baby
Free speech IN COMEDY! Steven doesn't bring that to serious debates. Degenerates do.
Holy shit the people in this comment section are stupid.
@@KaosSakana you gotta be pretty dense to say that steven doesn't crack any jokes during these debates. The kid cracked one joke and Steven couldn't let it go
@@modelorpheus you must be pretty dense if you think a joke and an insult are the same thing.
@@KaosSakana the autistic line, whether you found it funny or not, was intended as a joke
@@modelorpheus the autistic line, whether it was intended as a joke or not, was a blatant insult that showed a lack of awareness for his environment and a lack of respect for the conversation. The conversation was meant to be a serious discussion. Quit bending over backwards to defend a degenerate.
"This isn't a performance, this a conversation between us"
*Continues to look at crowd for support*
LOL exactly crowder is a bigger hypocrite than the libertards he hates so much.
billy phillips Why are you tripping so hard? The dude is trying to win a debate. The crowd needs to be on your side to do so
Because he is talking to the crowd! Like Jesus Christ... some people 🙈🥴
@@tylerkrepps1530 He's trying to win over his watchers in the crowd and the video and he can't do it without having complete control of the argument
you are IQ sub 50
Why are you lying Steven? All European countries have minimum wages and they are quite high.
I'm an American expatriate and I live in Europe.
John V What's the tax rate? Cost of goods? Housing?
He said those 3 places had "no general minimum wage"
This is not lying.
Both those 3 have, I live in Denmark. 25$ minimum wage her.
Daniel Wøhlk Switzerland has $27 mw
Don't they take 60% of that in taxes cutting it down to 12.5 ?
I was an avid watcher of Steven Crowder but that first interaction put me off for good lol. What's the point if he himself is not going to listen and resort to cheap debate tactics when losing an argument.
change the name from "change my mind" to "stroke my ego" lmao
MYSKO that's what it is and these kids are supposed to be intelligent... Oof...
I think someone taking the time out of their lives to be an opposition to the political game we live in is a great thing. He’s not hurting anyone... you know... besides soyboys like you ;)
Keegan Debevoise It seams the only people getting bend out of shape are people like yousef! He lost his socialists shows the level of his ignorance if he believes in it so much he should to to country controlled by Socialist parties
hur hur soyboy.
I'm a girl. Also, come with an actual argument if you don't agree. I'm guessing it's people like you who watch his videos and why he gets so many views since he can't even recognize when a good argument has been made.
Steven got wrecked by Yousef. And he did not handle it gracefully, he instead showed his true colors and acted like everything he criticizes.
It takes a particularly motherfuckingly awful man to abuse his pregnant wife and abandon his children, not to mention the "worship" of freedom whilst yourself acts like a dictator, not to mention showing off your motherfucking penis to your employees
Yep
Exactly my thoughts
How. If the kid was right then the kid would be living his best life in a perfect socialist utopia
@@NMN4678 duct tape or electric tape when you tuck in the morning?
Crowder made that first debate (and yes it was a *debate*) so much more awkward than it had to be. For a comedian, he sure can't take someone saying "autistic" very well. I thought the overly-sensitive-to-words kinda people were liberals, like David Hogg. Yuseff said "If you don't pay taxes, you're going to have other forms of violence that arise spontaneously. This sort of autistic Libertarian idea - this idea of a non-aggression principle is just fantasy", he wasn't even directing that at Crowder.
Johnny Crack i agree with you 100%. But just to add. Since crowder is a libertarian he got triggeted hard.
Really cause when he was asked if it was intended to be an insult he said yes. So by his own words it was directed at crowder.
#BringBackYusef
johnny crack right then Crowder calls him a dick then roast his hair cut lol wtf... then kept roasting him about saying autistic even after he was gone
Rawb Nyce Crowder is a conservite libertain, that was directed at Crowder.
Crowder lost it and went to name calling- something he generally denounces, but he just couldn't handle getting spanked. And he had the nerve to call the respectable gentleman rude. Finally he had to just cut it off because he was at a loss.
Thanks Yusef, cya, now let's continue the conversation without your input so my points can't be disproven.
Steven kicked Yousef out because he was actually started to change his mind.
@Wicked Jester I couldn't talk to Yusuf either, he wants to redistribute the money I earned by working hard to people who sit at home and didn't earn it.
@Harry Waddington I guess wouldn't would be more precise. I don't mind talking to people who disagree, but not on this subject. Crowder gets paid to do this, I don't have the time to discuss such nonsense. Get a job, work hard and earn your keep.
No, they kept talking about the same examples until Steven realized he just flat out doesn’t agree with Yousef, in my opinion I think Yousef was wrong for using Denmark and Sweden as good examples when he didn’t agree with things they shared
Has he ever admitted to having his mind changed before?
NO! You idiot
Steven calls Yusuf rude but he never lets Yusuf finish a single explanation, while always interrupting him and talking in paragraphs himself - that's rude. He steals what little talking time Yusuf has by making him define the words he uses and does not stick to those definitions himself. The longer I watch this, the angrier I get.
Yes yes. Please let Yousef articulate how theft is *somehow* moral. Lolz
That is a straw men argument based on the assumption that all "unnecessary" redistributions of money gained by taxes are defined as stealing. But there are no real "necessary" redistributions of tax money thus you would have to define taxes themselves as stealing. That, however, is only a very personal and limited definition and not the actual definition.
@@mini-mei income taxes where not mandated at 1 point and time and look at it now and they want to raise income taxes. No law says we have to pay those taxes it is theft
@@staywhite6332 it is a change my mind segment right? Not a "come disagree with me so i can talk over you" segment?
STAY WHITE thank you!! LOL.m XD
yusef wins
lets be honest here Steven. You didn't like Yusef because he knew what he was talking about and was very articulate. The next individual came up and he was far less articulate and was easily swayed by minor points you made. Of course you thought Drew was a better debater because you never really had to debate him.
Agreed. Yousef was making good points. Crowder was getting mad cause he was getting beat by a pro socialist.
Steven wants them to be the Kipper to his Uncle Rico🤡
I really like the “change my mind segment” but this time was really unnatural. Crowder was pretty aggressive with the first fellow, and seemed to be trying way too hard to control the flow of the conversation. The whole thing looks like a lecture to the crowd
which is so fucking ironic after he literally opened the video by saying that he doesn't like lectures
Yeah, I didn't agree with what he did there.
It's because the guy didn't want to argue about whether or not socialism is evil. He wanted to argue for political policy, and not about ideology.
Also, terms MUST have agreed upon definitions in order for any arguments to be constructive. I speak from experience.
Candy K I agree with you but I felt Crowder was more of Ben Shapiro type of guy. I thought Crowder didn't use these weak tactics on the opposition; rather he would use reasoning and logic. I don't know something about the first argument just didn't feel correct to me. I could be wrong since I'm very knew to this sort of stuff.
orochimarujes I know the first kid started it but for the sake of conversation I think Crowder should ignore it or just make a small remark and carry on, but he focused the whole point around the autism and shilling, which made it look like he didn't have any counter arguments to what Yusef was saying.
When the first kid started talking I got excited because for the first time he had someone with a good understanding of the topic and what happened was that he booted him.
Steven spent over twice as much time talking as Yusef did then unironically accused him of talking in paragraphs, AKA "you're not letting me control the conversation and dissect literally everything you say D:" Steven prepares for days for these "debates" and literally brought a binder full of resources (lol). Yet Yusef was polite and waited for his turn to talk, despite constantly being interrupted and not being allowed to speak. Then Steven gets triggered at him using the word autistic (which by the way he didn't actually call Steven autistic) You can really see how triggered Steven was towards the end when he seeks reassurance from the audience and starts trash talking back at Yusef before booting him. The point of these videos is to make Steven look "smart" and therefore correct, but the moment someone more intelligent than him arrives Steven cuts the debate because he knows he's losing. It was pathetic honestly.
Well said
I think he was more mad about it being the first guy stepping up proving him wrong 💀😂
It’s be great if someone actually recorded each of their time spent
PurpleFiiilth you can’t put quotes around a summary of what he said put in your words. Quotation marks mean that you are quoting someone, and you referenced Steven beforehand meaning you were quoting him. But he never said that. So you just put words in his mouth
I think that yusef did good but he failed a bit when started to use some more rude words, this let Crowder the opening to cut the conversation whenever he wants using "rudness" as an excuse. I think even that he could adjust a little his argument to make them stronger.
Yusuf killed this argument and really held his own. Good for him. Crowder just wants to be right all the time and it really showed through here
Yusef is what happens when crowder debates an intelligent person that speaks with facts. He goes to these colleges to debate people that aren't even ready to have debates and speak off just emotion. You should have a FULL debat with Yusef just to see what happens. Also, you should debate Destiny (that's his RUclips you should look him up Crowder and Co.) debate people that have the facts. I wonder if you'd be afraid of that.
So...stealing from people and giving it to others is ok? Go to those countries if you want that bullshit.
@@TheJeevo92 what the fuck are you talking about? I was talking about debating crowder. He goes to these colleges to debate kids that aren't prepared for a full on debate but when he gets a kid that is, this is how he acts. The topic of this debate was not my point.
Please tell me his facts, that he couldn't provide.
@Gregory Frowendown What he was saying is autistic is the idea that there can be this massive margin and division of wealth and no violent consequences. The french revolution is an easy example of the point Yusef is making.
@@TheJeevo92 A level of socialism is required to safeguard society, just as with capitalism. Everyone benefits from this in the long run.
Yusuf teared a new one into Crowder! Dude, Crowder got chewed up and had to focus on his use of the word "Autistic" to try to knock him of his focus. Crowder met his match and was upset that Yusuf wasn't emotionally driven. Ha!
So it wasn't emotionally charged to call libertarians autists? To throw out insults like that takes a high degree of disrespect and is usually emotionally backed with feel feels.
Steven clearly doesn't want his mind changed. Doesn't listen to Yusuf's points, doesn't let him respond to his points, tries to make out that he is rude when he is being exactly that, attacks his choice of words rather than his arguments, is so hypocritical when saying that he speaks in paragraphs, and still looses the debate. Sounded very much like a SJW in this. He has become the very thing he sought to destroy.
You're a special kind of stupid.
@@KaosSakana ❤️
@@KaosSakana excellent retort
@@christopherbo0th
Sakana you want to maybe say why he is stupid? from what i see he didnt say anything too stupid
Got owned by the much smarter and less prepared guy and then started bullying him. GG
I am a strong conservative, that being said. I really liked how Yusef presented himself. I think Crowder was overwhelmed by this young mans confidence in his beliefs. Yusef was articulate, calm and quite frankly, enjoyable to watch. On the other side, Crowder came off as flustered and impatient.
He was impatient because Yuesef agreed the the debate question, then at every rebuttal he tried to change the premise of the debate. It is like stating upfront that this is a cat to argue for or against pet ownership, and stating that retrievers are better at fetching.
I totally disagree with Yusef, but he was definitely disrespected. Steven is correct in saying Denmark et cetera is not socialist, but he should have actually engaged him. In his later episodes doing this he is much more relaxed and respectful. I'm willing to grant stage fright for this one, but he definitely could have done a lot better.
@@grega2362 Sorry my friend. I just can't grasp what your trying to say. If your saying Crowder was. patient and not flustered or had a reason to be. That's cool, we all have opinions. And in this case, you can't change my opinion.
Crowder wasn't overwhelmed by confidence - he was overwhelmed because he couldn't refute Yusef's points. He deflected, interrupted, and belittled Yusef in an attempt to cover this up.
Steven is the kind of intelligent man that takes words by their definition. Yusuf seems like the type of child to TRY to get away with calling you names without you realizing. He was clearly embarrassed when he got called out for calling Steven autistic. He says things that are interesting but does any of it hold water?
I would suspect that Yusuf looks intelligent to stupid people. Evident after Yusuf put out his highly edited version, then all you people started commenting.
You are all up in his face, stop. Sit back, please. And stop getting triggered and using the word "autistic" every single time you are losing, just because he said it once. Lol.
He shouldnt of said it at all. It was beneath them and petty. Directly aimed at Libertarians and making fun of autistic people. Thats not ok in a civil convo.
MagneticFlux if that’s the case then there have been moments where crowder has been insulting himself. Stop defending crowder as if he’s the god of reason and logic. He isn’t and never has been.
I love crowder but he wasnt ready for yusuf lol. He was reaching by impeading his free speech with crowd intimidation. Any person should be able to say autistic or retarded or anything that does not directly incite violence. Especially since crowder has used those words and much worse in his podcast. I think he was losing and couldnt recover and he lost his head for a second. He had to buy time and take a second to get his head out of it lol.
Chill Chill Not Chill impeading his free speech? Please explain how crowder did not let the young man speak his mind for almost half an hour.
@@jared8019 he also, as I said above, would not shut up about him using the word 'autistic'. This was all completely out of his character. I love the man, he is a national treasure, but he was blind-sided on this one and did not handle this sort of complacent event very well..
We definitely have progressive taxation in Denmark. Steven is using false arguments. You are not willing to change your mind. You simply just focus on every single word that is being said, and try to tear the arguments apart by finding small mistakes in the use of those words. So if a word is used incorrectly you’ll point it out even though it basically doesn’t matter. Truth is you are sounding very intelligent but sometimes just make things up on the way like saying we don’t have progressive taxation in Denmark which we do.
I think he does want to change his mind, but, at the same time, political beliefs basically define us. It takes someone who is more than human, IMO to really be open minded about those things.
@@radiofloyd2359 I don't think so. I think he's using this format to bait emotional, unprepared, and/or idotic people into a debate to bolster his ego and get a good laugh on their expense. If he would be interested in an honest debate, he wouldn't be moderator and debater in one person. That paired with the fact that he comes prepaired and his opponents don't, gives him all the control he needs.
@@Baptopful I guess you could say so... I still think he's more than anything trying to start a discussion, but that's my own biases.
Yeah there is no doubt that he takes advantage of people not having exact examples of everything they are arguing about. He just uses that he is dominating the discussion so that he can win the argument. If he was actually willing to change his mind he wouldn’t lie in his arguments. His only purpose is to make money by showing people getting destroyed in discussions that he has absolute control over....
@Andrea Mendenhall Denmark is a country... Unless you were rebutting? If so, sorry, I guess.
Let's all take a moment to respect that Steven had the courage to upload this, he's a very brave boy
Yusef made some good points and whenever he made them Crowder either started making jokes or deflected.
Hold on, I just want to make sure that we're on the same page. Can you please define to me "deflected". You're using those big liberal words that they like to use and I just need clarification that we have the same understanding as each other.
Whenever Crowder tries to make a point in the show, people yell at him or call him autistic.
@@wupengu Yusef was addressing autistic liberalists, not calling Crowder autistic. Maybe if u actually bothered listening to his points you would have noticed that
@@wupengu Except the guy never actually called Stephen Crowder as autistic. He referred to a way of thinking as being "autistic libertarian" but didn't flat out make an attack at Crowder . . . even though Crowder did exactly that.
Nightx3aw Games Crowder would get rekt by Andrew Yang 😂
Love seeing Crowder get support, but I think I prefer the “Change My Mind” segments without a small mob of fans. Crowder tried to be a comedian more than a serious debater off and on and it kinda threw it off for me.
Crowder is an entertainer hence the 1.6million followers on YT and the explosive growth in mug club! I think he should let Ben Shapiro do the debating on his show!
Ashaley Boo Yeah I think the smaller ones are more productive in what they are meant to do. But it looks like instead it is just crowder feeding off of the audience and making fun of/being aggresive to the point where its not needed. (Coming from a fan btw.)
Crowder, bring Yusuf back on to redeem yourself. You kept cutting him off and forcing him to make YOUR arguments for you, against HIMSELF.
N E gij
he lost the debate for sure lmao
This debate should happen again out of fairness for Yusuf
Not only that...he's making so many jokes relying on the crowd, getting into Yusufs face, shifting the mic away at his discretion, etc.
Crowder acted like a big bitch here
@@hassu2149 100% agree. This is why I don't think this show is actually ever about changing his mind. He panics here - plays to the crowd, diverts the conversation constantly, etc. because he knew he was losing.
Crowder got owned on this one. And I dont like socialism at all.
pretty telling that the first unedited 'Change My Mind' Steven gets owned by the very first guest
www.change.org/p/steven-crowder-get-yusef-back-on-youtube
I was wondering why he would publish such an embarrassing disaster lmao
He didn't get owned actually. Steven just didn't know how to react to the personal attacks and the strange, factually incorrect arguments thrown at him so quickly, so he scolded Yusef on his use of insults and logical fallacies, which was actually totally fair. I would expect any competent host to do the same.
Yusef's very first argument about how the lack of a minimum wage will cause a country to collapse under an influx of unskilled labor is an atrocious argument and factually incorrect. Why is it that the two countries in the world with the highest quality of life and income (Singapore and Switzerland) have no minimum wage? Yet Scandinavian countries with the highest minimum wage in the world are now getting an influx of low skill immigrants and watching their crime rates (specifically rape) skyrocket. Essentially Yusef's very first and strongest argument gets utterly refuted by simple facts. He's a dumb college kid who knows nothing about the world and nothing about economics. He didn't destroy Steven at all.
I'm just reading the comment thread now, thank you. I don't even watch Crowder's show, nor like him. Funny that you had no rebuttal to anything I said, so I can see you got triggered by facts. Pretty sad. Well, Yusef tricked you and just about everyone else into thinking that going on someone's show and hurling out insults is a way to win debates. On the street, that's how you get knocked out, and in real logical debates, that's how you're instantly declared the loser. Kid was a little sophist cockroach.
Well. I've learned something here. If you just go up to the podium, insult the host of the show, and say he's losing the debate, people on RUclips will say the host got owned. The little punk kid doesn't know anything about economics, and all of his arguments about the minimum wage were factually incorrect. Yusef is like a pseudointellectual internet troll brought to real life. He made no single good point about how bigger government or a welfare state helps us. That's what he was brought on to demonstrate. Instead he just insulted the host. Pathetic.
Steven... what happened here man?
He doesn't want his mind changed. Should rename it..
www.change.org/p/steven-crowder-get-yusef-back-on-youtube
I can imagine it now "I Won't Change My Mind Despite Valid Points Being Leveled and Resort to Pedantic Insults While My Fanbase Reveres Me As A God" IWCMMDVPBLARTPIWMFRMAAG for short.
He do, but you have to do better then just having a formulated utopia mindset.
@@cranberrykay3876 yosef handled it way better than him so dont tell me it wasn't good enough.
He is right tho. Even if he's not good at debating his opinion. If a child said socialism is bozo, I'd have to say that child was right
Why do Americans keep bringing Sweden up as socialists?
Because very few have actually traveled.