Is Dubai An Example Of Failed Multi-Culturalism?
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2024
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Zuby and Carl Benjamin discuss multiculturalism using Dubai as an example. They argue that the success of multiculturalism depends on a strong rule of law and shared values rather than the mere coexistence of diverse cultures. Dubai's success is attributed to clear boundaries and rules, ensuring respect, tolerance, and adherence to the law.
They criticize the notion that multiculturalism has failed, emphasizing the importance of assimilation and respect for local culture. The conversation touches on liberal ideologies, Western perspectives, and historical contexts, suggesting a perceived inconsistency in applying certain principles to different nations. The discussion delves into the implications of striving for equality and the challenges of achieving it in a diverse world.
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The UAE is ultra strict on migration and controlling their borders, so we are talking about vetted migration. Additionally, they do not allow citizenship to outsiders, with Emiratis being the first class citizens (virtually aristocrats), although recently they have started making rare exceptions e.g. Pavel Durov. If the UK is going to be ideologically multicultural, they could at least do it like this where the natives actually benefit. Furthermore, while it may be fine for places like Dubai and Singapore to exist in the world (assuming they actually are models and disregarding their dark side for the sake of the thought experiment), Carl hits the nail on the head about “McDonaldsification” and how places that loose their traditionalists backbone in favour of an incoherent multicultural patchwork inevitably replace tradition with globalist consumerism. In a traditionalist society everybody feels like one big family sharing in their unique customs and ceremonies, with values focused on community or devotion to a higher power. In a globalist multicultural society, values become focused on individual consumption and materialism, because there is no “big family” community to consider greater than oneself and free time is more likely to be spent in shopping malls than at a local ceremony. Imagine if the indigenous people of Guatemala or Japan became a minority in their ancestral land and dismembered from their ancient roots. In short, it would be unfathomably tragic to loose the world’s regional traditions that make life worth living for reasons other than self-gain and consumption.
What a loud of nonsense
We are in the 21th century under a neo liberal capitalist society
We don’t need ONE BIF FAMILY thanks i like living by my own
The irony is that Britain actually has an ethnic indigenous population where as the UAE has created one.
Well said 👍
Well you have to understand the hsistory mate. Countries like UK developed because of the historical colonisation, where they killed a lot of people and destabiliased a lot of economies by stealing their resources, while establishing their colonial rule. So no, UK are not the same as UAE.
Fantastic explanation. This helped my understanding of what is going on.
Yes Zuby is right. The problem is when people come into a place and rather than assume the cultural norms of that place they try and turn that place into the very place they left.
Dubai will kick you out at the end of the month if you get unemployed... Imagine being able to kick out ALL the unemployed people. I think any place would do well.
@@mysterioanonymous3206 Unless you have an unpaid debt. Then you will be either locked up or unable to depart the country until it is settled.
AKA Texas
One of the best posts here, as I bet you cant just WALK in across Dubai's border, thanks.
Cultural norms in the Islamic world are insanely savage. They are taught from birth that non Muslims are to be attacked and exploited, raped and enslaved. Letting them into your country in any number is the mistake.
Every non-Emirati in Dubai is either wealthy, a corporate expat or a laborer whose passport is under seizure for the time they are there and heavily monitored. Challenging the status quo goes against everyones interest. There are no waves of economic immigrants or refugees going to Dubai. They are not allowed in.
Google "Modern-Day Slavery in the United Arab Emirates" BTW
In Dubai, immigration is 100% about what the immigrant can do for Dubai, not the other way around like in the West.
Exactly. This is a weird video. Modern day slaves from Africa and Asia does not make for a multi cultural society. It is like looking at US slavery and speaking on low unemployment rates for minorities. 🤣🤣🤣
I have worked in Dubai for 4 years now and I always have my passport, where do you get that bs from?
@@innocentgilbert435 The govt sanctioned organizations that contract unskilled laborers from places like India and Sri Lanka charge fees to the laborers to facilitate their transportation and entry into the UAE and hold their passports for the duration. This practice may have changed of course, I don't keep up with labor laws in Dubai.
The problem with multiculturalism is not 'the rule of law' as such, it's that it's a gift to marxists who will exploit the differences. And they will
What are you talking about? What does Marxism even have to do with multiculturalism? Are you talking about post-modern, so-called, neo-Marxists?.. Cultural Marxists (which is a really stupid term). And how will it be exploited? With all the shit like in the US, with anti-racist racism?
@@Typhoon792 identity marxists, who just switch out class power structures for power structures based on identity. They attribute any disparity between groups as the result of oppression, with little nuance. This approach to addressing issues between groups inevitability leads to conflict. Almost every problem can be attributed to white supremacy, patriarchy, heteronormativity and capitalism using the logic of this clown circus philosophy.
Marxism exploits multculturslism, for divide and conquer. If you haven't been keeping up, thats what Marxism is about. Pitching A against B. Rich vs poor, male vs female. White vs brown. It's not rocket science @@Typhoon792
I like beans
So do I @@britpackdog4545
Zuby is wrong, it's not that multiculturalism works when people respect the law. the multiculturalism in dubai only works because there's no liberal democracy, instead the indigenous tribal elders decide everything. Once you let immigrant groups have genuine political power through democratic elections , those immigrant groups will seek more and more power for their group and your country will start dissolving and degrading.
Uk and Us isn’t bad because of political reasons it’s bad because of crime caused by all ethnic groups
Well indians majority have a side effect and I don't think it's recoverable. I heard they appealed the UN for taking over Dubai.
Exactly.
Spot on.
Yet the U.S is the most powerful and richest country in the world.
It only works if you have the draconic sword of quasi-Shariah law hanging over you or, as in the case of Austria-Hungary or the late Roman Empire, absolute Monarchy. Democratic government requires a common civic culture.
Multuculturalism only works for subjects, not citizens.
I agree
Dubai is not a good example for what Europe or the US could, should or will be. The English are a unique people worth preserving on their own. But Dubai is a tiny place where the Saudis vacation. Rich with oil money. When the Saudis leave they return to their over 90% Arab, 100% Muslim country with virtually no migration
@bronzer3244 yeah let's not pretend that Arabs and Levants don't like to mass redrum each other lmao. You been asleep the last 60 years bro??
A very prescient distinction between Subjects and Citizens. That’s exactly how they feel about us.
"quasi-Shariah law hanging over you" you mean literally every society except for the recently cucked west?
authority is needed. whether it's a king or enforced paper
Dubai is not multicultural. It's culture is money.
What does that even mean? The West has money but they can’t seem to get their crime rates down to Dubai levels
It’s multicultural since they are arabs indians russians brits asians many many nationalities are there and the native are minority in their own country but no one is complaining and the same in qatar btw
@@uddiwiw8277same with Singapore, none of those countries are good representitives though because importing a bunch of rich elites (who tend to be intelligent and law abiding (at last as far as blue collar crimes) into a small rich state is not what occures in normal countries. Other than that some labourers are brought in but they do not have that much freedom or representation (at least in the gulf states). Hard to draw meaningful conclusions from that either way, and I could have told you cosmopolitan, intelligent, well behaved people from disparate backgrounds can get along fine in great circumstances, and that the locals will be fine with it as it makes them rich too but that is not representitive of the wider world.
Emiratis represent 12% of the country's residents, you cant explain the law-abiding nature of its residents in that reductive manner: "a bunch of rich elites and a bunch of oppressed laborers". they dont attract elites, elites are made there. and if laborers are oppressed then that should increase crime not decrease it. @@TemporalAberration
@@MohdHilal No they definitely attract elites, which Indians do you think are moving there and getting high paid positions, not the working poor. The working poor, when they are allowed in, get to be construction workers on sites with fatality rates that would be unacceptable where I am from. You are correct that that does not explain everything, a strict law system with the money to persue whatever misbehaviour they want certainly helps, and serious punishments for those who transgress. Also many of those labourers are there on a temporary basis, so they do not need to be given full rights and will leave at some point in any case.
dubai and singapore both show that multiculturalism can work (at least for several decades) when you don't have a liberal democracy.
And both employ an oppressed underclass of low wage workers in conditions that are not only inhumane but border on slavery (confiscated passports, withheld payments, violence, threats, locked up in "worker housing" at night...). Great models...
That's crazy that people saying bs about Dubai actually never went there
Singapore majority are homogenous..almost 90 percent chinese and they are not even multiculralism
Nah you guys are deluded. Dubai still has segregation. Ask the poor foreign construction workers about where they are allowed and not allowed to go. Dubai doesnt allow protests or freedom of speech. They also do NOT allow freedom of religion. Its forbidden for a non-muslim to spread the word of their faith in public. Then you have the whole issue of womens rights, where being a feminist and posting a tweet can get you arrested or jailed. One thing is true, Dubai and most non-western countries do not tolerate criminality and anti-social behaviour. They have no time for victimhood, unlike in the west where we make excuses for criminals and they get released. There is a reason why Dubai has a small population, and the US is struggling to take millions of immigrants.
It's also not allowed for Muslims to publicly spread their faith. That is only in places of worship and from the government. People are allowed to freely worship as they like. @@tubester4567 There are no issue with human rights; they just define them differently. Freedom of speech and freedom to protest and do as you like are not good for societies. That's why they and Islamic societies historically have always had more safety, security and peace
Dubai is absolutely not crime free it just depends on who is doing the crime
Is has also big problem whit human trafficking.
@@SavolaxMitsuexactly if you discount the slave labour conditions of foreign migrant workers then crime isn’t so bad
he never said it as crime free. people will always try
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Come to think about it it kinda sounds like our culture. Where one group or sometimes more can commit crimes with little to no punishment while others can't.
I’m a 50yr old white male originally from an area in East London uk called Newham. In the early 90s I was the minority in my part of London. The reason I mention this is I am perfectly placed to say what I’m about to say. I thank multiculturalism as my first wife was mixed raced from the Caribbean & my now wife was born in Ghana. The overall problem is culture clash. What one person does in their old country is not what is right in another. Now put 50/60 different countries people together in a small space… a clash of cultures that causes confusion upset anger and all types of emotions that then divide us. Britain failed with this terribly because introduction with certain morals of the indigenous should have been presented to those wanting to be part of the populace, and if you don’t like how to behave then simply go to some where that matches more to your behavioural upbringing and culture. The saying is when in Rome do as the Romans do. It’s as simple as that which is why Dubai works under their strict Islamic and cultural ways and laws. Now people will probably comment Britain is a fine one to talk after their previous colonial past but I wasn’t alive then and nor were you so we should only work on the basis of what is right presently because in the past they felt it was right for there time regardless of how we perceive and feel about it.
First let's define nationalism.
*Clan* means families related by blood, tracing their lineage through shared ancestry and kinship ties.
*Tribe* extends this concept, comprising multiple clans united by blood ties, often sharing common cultural practices and traditions.
*Ethnicity* or *nation*, however, encompasses people bound together not solely by blood relations but also by shared values, beliefs, and cultural identities, which may transcend familial ties and include individuals from diverse backgrounds who identify with a common heritage or ethos.
Most of the groups in pre-colonial Africa were tribes which were almost qualified ethnicity. Because their leaders really worked on it. Then Europeans came and carefully destroyed them with purpose. Huto and Tutsi exist in more than 2 now states. Hause, Igbo etc do the same. It was done on purpose to destroy their homogeneity.
Wealthy states are NATION STATES. Non-prosperous states are multiculturalists. Every awaken NEGROID/AUSTRALOID like me understands this.
My question to you is, how are African states going to heal themselves when they were destroyed on purpose?
Anglo man likes to divide and rule. Not only that, but also have no problem going to other cultures and imposing Anglo culture instead of assimilating into the already existing cultures himself.
@@TheGeezNationalist2024Africa has had years to improve. It's not the "Anglo' mans fault that y'all can't develop. Most, if not all, of the African governments are corrupt and do not want to improve the lives of their people.
Dubai is a City. Not a State or Country.
Most people in the UAE live in or around it.
@@Matthew_Ssali ok so what. So Tokyo is a Country to?
@@liesdiebibelbruder420Greater Tokyo has around 40 million denizens whilst Japan has 110 millon. So most Japanese dont live in or around Tokyo.Dubai and UAE are synonymous.
Dubai is a city within the Emirate of Dubai. A bit like New York city, in New York state.
One of a collection of autonomous Emirates confederated into the UAE
It's basically like Las Vegas for the Middle East... You can't seriously be drawing parallels between a city that was built in the middle of a desert as a modern-day hub for wealthy Arab people...to European countries with thousands of years or historical, cultural and religious roots...
Same goes for Singapore... They're multi-cultural and doing extremely well... But yet again, they are a small coastal hub city where wealthy people could come and scale without the typical impediments of managing large nations with rich histories...
It's not applicable to large-scale European country... First of all, you need wealth and few people. .. Which already disqualifies most countries...
TBH, when the rule of law is strong, you don't HAVE multi-culturalism, you have a somewhat permissive mono-culture.
You call it "somewhat permissive" I call it "the reason I can get laid in a hotel room without getting 70 lashes."
True. Culture typically includes systems of Law, punishment, institutions (or tribal gatherings), medicine, beliefs....etc. There are no land areas on Earth where true full multiple systems of law, punishment, medicine etc..truly exist together. There is no true multiculturalism. You can't have one lot of systems and claim there are multiple cultures taking place.
Good observation
@justchilling704 Culture typically includes systems of Law, punishment, institutions (or tribal gatherings), medicine, beliefs....etc. There are no land areas on Earth where true full multiple systems of law, punishment, medicine etc..truly exist together. There is no true multiculturalism. You can't have one lot of systems and claim there are multiple cultures taking place.
Exactly what's at play in the Dubai example the man cites. Thanks for putting that out there.
He said the one biggest word in my opinion that is the major problem. It is called respect he said everyone there respects the order of law we have way too many entitled people in America who don’t respect anything. There’s a huge part of your problem in general, everyone’s so entitled, they think the world owes them everything.
Exactly, "a common sense social respect" is drastically lacking in modern American culture
It does.
Yes, it is partly respect but, the biggest element is fear. They fear the consequences so, they respect the law of the land.
@@afflulifestyle1784That’s sharia law for you. Make everyone afraid.
That works, and don't say European doesn't do this back then, too. Punishment is severe and uphold, so people respect the law in mind
Dubai is Muslim in culture. It is multi-colored, but I wouldn't say it is multicultural. And they don't have voting and most people are given guest visas instead of citizenships.
Ok?
It's sorta Muslim culture. It's as much Muslim culture as north America was Christian in the early 1980s. And they don't have voting true. Voting doesn't seem to be a silver bullet either though as evidenced by so many dysfunctional US cities with candidates regularly voted in.
And that's an issue why?
ok
@@sirellynsorta muslim? The Emirates all are muslim!
Hmm, alright. Multi-culturalism only works if their is one primary culture at the center in domination of the others. America is actually pretty close to this, ahnd was more or less this back in the early 2000's with Conservative Christianism as the center ideology. Once that was slowly pushed away, progressivism took over as the new dominating religion.
Bingo.
I don’t think it is, it’s the vocal minority and at this rate they aren’t gonna last long.
Essentially: 'practice your culture but don't forget we are in control and can banish you any second.'
Are you Gen Z? What makes you think the culture shifted away from Christian values in the early 00's? I'd say it happened a lot earlier, at least in the 60's and 70's with the rise of feminism.
That’s not correct. The US has been a progressive nation since Woodrow Wilson.
it works by giving wealthy citizens who bring in money status but the workers lowly just permits who can be deported in hours and living in enclaves
Even the 'wealthy' worker are only given 30days after loss of employment to get out the country. Some, Europeans, US, UK, Canadian, Aussie for example, can leave and returned on a tourist visa for a further 30days while looking for work (unofficially as it's illegal to work on tourist visa).
It is a very class/caste ridden society.
Went to Singapore for work a few years ago and was with an American expat who had lived there for a couple of years. I asked him how it was to live there. He said as long as you don’t want to go out and protest the government or break any law, no matter how small (spitting gum on the street or public indecency, etc) then your life is amazing - safe, great food, great schools, great weather. But if you’re hell bent on breaking rules, causing problems, protesting, etc your life is going to suck.
Funny how Americans gauge their freedom based on whether you can protest your government!! It is a real issue and many nations cannot. But I look at the mess that is America, their open borders, the death of California, the drug epidemic creating a ‘zombie’ class of citizens. Racial tensions that seem medieval and out of place (almost like government creates the problem!!) Yet the government doesn’t care, Biden won’t close the border, Newsom won’t clean up his state and all people who say they are blue voters really, really hate and despise anyone who is a red voter.
America is in serious decline and decay, yet are still trying to convince the world they are the best!!
Rule of law of gone in many places, the judiciary is a farce and politics is all about who has enough money to actually run. The lobbyists control Washington, the people don’t. Corporate capitalism is the name of the game and big pharma, energy and finance along with the military industrial complex make all the decisions. The government spies in everyone and dare you demand change you go on the domestic terrorist watch list!!
Being trans is more important than protecting children from medical abuse. Cutting off a 14yr olds breasts is celebrated as freedom while parents lose their rights to be parents and say no. That is the tip of the medical crisis facing Americans.
America is the cancer on the free world right now. America was once great but it is becoming a giant third world shanty town where the government is as corrupt as the Mob!!
They do seem to have a little problem with slaves though………..
Absolutely!!!
Well , they don't have a problem with it. We have a problem with them not having a problem with it.
Not anymore. its Illegal for half a decade now.
They dont though. 🤡 Lol. You uneducated people will tell us about slaves? Hahaha.
Well said 😂😂😂😂
All foreigners in Dubai and Singapore are simply guest workers who must have a work visa and follow local laws, or be jailed and/or deported.
Works perfectly.
Yep exactly. The locals make up a small fraction and the rest of the people work or are kicked out if they don't have a job. It solves homelessness, poverty, and also pretty much any major crime because crime isn't worth the risk of being deported.
many have permanent residency, by simply opening up a business in dubai which costs less than 2K USD
@@SquirrelsLoveAcorns This is exactly the kind of system we need here in the UK, only problem is - who we have in charge of it................?
The difference between the gulf countries that have been swamped by foreigners and the western countries that have suffered the same fate is that in the gulf the incomers are not allowed to demand "their rights".
The long term outcome will be exactly the same for both though. The local culture and people will eventually be wiped out
Their rights? Gulf countries have governments, and those governments rule by sharia. And in sharia theirs 3 forbidden boundaries: Your money, Your life, your honour or Virtual. So I feel this is very strong and basic principles for anyone's right. Don't steal my stuff, don't harm me, don't ruin my reputation or r#pe me. Everything else is conditional, like freedom of speech or "assembly." These are Western values that might have no use in other societies. So a person who doesn't subscribe to it should go somewhere else the suites them.
No, the Arabians can always deport the foreigners out as almost none of them have any Arabian passport. My girlfriend has lived in Qatar for almost a decade and was easily deported once her usefulness was over for them. Arabia will not tolerate foreigners living their once the money runs out.
The gulf states are like haiti was with the 5 or so percent on top and everyone else at the bottom. It works reall well untill it suddenly doesnt.
I lived in Hong Kong in the 80’s when it was still under British governance. It was the most multi ethnic place I had ever been. I went to high school with people from every religion and no religion. The only culture that wasn’t present at my international school was the Americans.
They had their own exclusive ‘international’ school just for Americans!!!
The school I went to had multiple South East Asian representation, all across Western Europe from Ireland to the Netherlands to Austria, Oceania, Canada and India, Pakistan and other nations. One of my best friends was Muslim!!
It was amazing and we did everything, nobody was excluded or could exclude themselves. School camps had a Halal/Kosher table for food, and the rest of us ate from the other but we sat at the same tables to eat.
We were integrated and very happy. Hong Kong had rule of law. We knew about the triads and stayed away from any local issues. But we were so safe. Travelled all over Hong Kong and never had problems.
It’s is different in Hong Kong since China took over and Xi made Supreme Leader of the CCP. But it was some of the most amazing years of my life.
I do find it ironic that the Americans excluded themselves and yet they think they are so wonderful!! The only people we didn’t like were the American expats!! The most rude, stuck up, intolerant people on the planet!!
Dubai doesn't have foreign enclaves that have no interest in assimilation and rely on social security.
Actually Dubai is made up of 90% foreigners. Only 10% are Emirati. HOWEVER although they make it very easy to become a resident and work there, if you do ANYTHING they deem inappropriate, you are deported immediately with no hope of coming back. THAT is why it's the safest country in the world. Everyone is so scared of being deported at any second.
@@megangrey-hj5km I didn't mention the amount there so don't know what your reply is trying to debunk, you're giving the answer to why my statement is correct?
Do you know 90% of white immigrants especially the British one in dubai don’t want even to learn arabic or contact with the locals
People are not scared of being deported at any second
thats how europe should be@@megangrey-hj5km
Multiculturalism isn't the same as multiethnic, when we say that 'Multiculturalism has failed' we are speaking about the political policy of Multiculturalism which is an inherently asymmetrical policy which pretends that all cultures are equal but that the host culture needs to do all the work of changing lest we offend the newcomers.
Multiculturalism doesn't ask for integration and assimilation, it isn't blending, it is keeping the culture that you arrived with.
Neither of these fellas seem to appreciate this reality, the difference between Multiculturalism and multiethnic.
America worked as a melting pot. Then we began celebrating NOT melting. Problems ensued.
@@atillathehungry3145I wouldn't say celebrating is an issue either. The problem is the lost national identity. Were Irish, Italian, French, British, Chinese, etc immigrants who built the U.S, proud and celebratory of their heritage and culture? Of course. Did they see themselves as American though? Yes. Yes they did.
Multiethnic countries are a nightmare of ethnic tension, crime and bloc voting. Look at crime statistics in the US and Europe. It's virtually the same.
Dubai is in the UAE with massive amounts of oil money running through it. The Saudis vacation there. Just do a google image search of what that place looks like. But also what do you see in Saudi Arabia itself? It's virtually entirely Arab and 100% muslim. Would they be happy with 20% of their population becoming Indian Hindu?
Dubai is not even a beginning example of what the UK for example should strive for. As the English slip ever more into a minority position you will see what a typical multi ethnic society looks like.
@@bronzer3244 I see your point. I've been to Dubai and it is almost all a soulless dystopia to Mamon.
@RichardEnglander Yea, everything I learn about Dubai just paints more and more of a picture of a flashy playground for the rich with corruption, slums and human trafficking under the hood.
Two guys I’d be glad to have a neighbors talking about the world. Thanks for sharing
So multi-SUB-culturalism can work when there is a overlaying mono-culture enshrined into law and enforced.
Precisely why you can only have libertarianism work at the lower levels when you have authoritarianism at the top to protect it. When you put libertarianism at the top you invariably get authoritarianism at lower levels.
To me that’s always been common sense.
Dubai can only work like that if people buy into the social contract. This is how ethnocentric cultures work like the Scandinavian countries did in the past. Now that people from other cultures have migrated there, but haven’t bought into the social contract, those countries are falling apart. US cities are falling apart because the minority of people not agreeing to social order are ruining it and the people who want social order do not recognize that law and order needs to be applied to these “bad” people.
Best assessment 👌
The slavery though , how can that be ignored?
I agree with this. Multiculturalism can work for sure, but only under the condition that a MOTHER CULTURE of a given place is preserved and protected at all cost. If you replace that with moral relativism, then such a society shall definitely fall apart.
Zuby: Fully agree. Plus, the UAE has STRICT immigration policies. (Most immigrants are under employer sponsorship programs.) They deport criminal immigrants. They are Not a welfare state. They treat native Emirati's above all others. They use a petrol economy to allow tax incentives for high net worth individuals to immigrate at unbelievably high levels, stimulating the economy.
Pre-Oil: UAE was a collection of warring factions. BP found oil in the UAE. Sheikh Zayed's oil money, was used to enable peace. Current laws & policies + continued oil money enable the peace that we currently see in the UAE.
Spot on. It's not a model that can or should be adopted. Mind you, Dubai produces nothing except oil. Take that away and the place will revert back into desert with competing nomadic tribes in no time...
@@mysterioanonymous3206and take slavery away from Europeans? then one can argue the Islamic world would have still been on top (and I am not muslims btw).
the world is a bunch of what ifs. If UK was attached to mainland Europe, Germany would have defeated the UK in no time, but fortunately it is divided by sea. If UAE and Saudi didn’t find oil, they’d be poor. If africa was never colonised it’d probably be Rich
@@anfieldreds_1892 naw 😂
@@mysterioanonymous3206 naw to what? What did I say that was wrong. waiting.
@@anfieldreds_1892 slavery only existed in the colonies, the US, Caribbean, Brasil... Later the east indies and other Asian nations (but with local "slaves"). Continental Europe was virtually unaffected and may have contributed to some individuals wealth but not so much the continents as a whole or the peoples. It certainly did not contribute to Europe's economic/technological development.
What did though is ironically the Muslims. In particular the ottomans, who cut off the silk road into Europe with the intent to dominate us, but what happened instead is us looking for other routes - they ushered in what is now called "the age of exploration". A way to India via the seas and all that. It's the main reason for European dominance, us establishing colonies all around the world.
As to Muslim conquest.... The main reason it spread so fast was that they didn't levy taxes. Accordingly, people converted without second thoughts. A very successfull strategy, but not militarily, mainly, but political. They did absorb some know how during their conquest but to call it "Islamic" would be generous. A lot of what is popularly attributed to it (math, astronomy) existed in Greece, much earlier. They simply rolled with it, but they didn't "invent" it. The numeric system and zero for example came out of Hindu culture originally.
Africa... Well slavery existed there before Europeans arrived and did so long after they had left. It also existed on the east African coast with arab/Muslim slavers and to a much larger degree than the Atlantic slave trade ever did. So if your argument is that European wealth comes from there (which it doesn't) you'd also have to assume that it did for the muslims (and again, to a much larger degree). Large parts of Africa hadn't even invented the wheel, they always were and still are underdeveloped. Part of it is its geography (no navigable rivers preventing exchange and trade, and subideal terrain leading to the same outcome). The more developed parts of Africa did have that exchange (north Africa to Mediterranean, northern east Africa to the Arab world).
I've worked in Dubai around 4 times now. I wouldn't describe it as multi-cultural but would certainly say it is multi-ethnic with a fairly obvious pecking order. It's certainly an impressive place to visit and a source of income for many that get an opportunity to work there. Behind the gleaming towers and opulence, you'd be well advised to remember it's fundamentally an Islamic system in place and that you should not expect that you'd be treated in a similar fashion to most Western nations, if you decided not to obey the local customs and traditions. It's generally a very safe place to walk around but I suspect that has more to do with the system and the fact that they come down on people, like a ton of bricks, for non-compliance. By complete coincidence, I was asked if I'd like to work on the rail link between Oman and Abu Dhabi, this morning.
I visited twice and partied and drank with all the other expats but it is different for the everyday Emirati according to my British friend I was visiting.
Great insight from the guest. He's articulated what I've always thought about Empires being iterative processes, with power and influence moving from one to the next; innovation and creativity mirror this change.
Can't remember exactly when I stumbled onto Zuby's content, but I gotta say, for me he seems to be an excellent successor to the work of Thomas Sowell. Erudite, charming, deeply knowledgeable and wise, and above all he tries to find common ground in anything he discusses.
Not even close to Thomas sowell he literally is just talking nonsense whereas sowell is a well researched author
Seems zuby is fine with sharia monarchies very progressive eh and doesn’t mind the human trafficking and slave labour of the state in that part of the world
Yes-he is fantastic.
What? Legit nowadays all it takes to be considered an intelectual is to be able to communicate. What he says isn't some deeply thought ideas, they aee just common sense.
Your opinion of Thomas Sowell and his intellect is very low.
Best you look with more clarity.
It seems more like a good example how the power of money can bring people together from around the world and get them to be on their best behaviour for a while.
Dubai has sharia law. Sharia law is not multi-cultural. You can be any ethnicity if you practice the tenets of Sharia. If you aren't Muslim, you will have to suffer as a second class citizen in Dubai. When people talk about multi-culturalism, they assume that everyone will have a relatively equal say in how the country is ran. They will be able to express themselves freely. They will not be harassed or insulted for being a different ethnicity or gender. This is not true in Dubai.
That’s not true at all. The people who suffer the most in Dubai, are the people they use for slave labour and the majority of these people are south asian muslims from countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh. So its not case of if your muslim your treated better.
Dubai doesn't practice Sharia law
@@gaza1677 Yes it does. All Muslim countries do.
You've clearly never been to Dubai.
@@mikailshaikh6846 Your propaganda won't work on me, Muslim.
In britain it used to be that the rules ruled. Now its obvious to see a 2 tier system where it doesn't matter what you do, its what you are so the system breaks down
Contrived multi culturism created for the sake of multi culturism is what fails.
what a load of tosh …its all about the money ..its mainly the rich and high earners who move out there and the low earners manual labourers etc are like shackled slaves ..they arrive on work visas kept in a worksite then sent back after the job is done ..dont get me wrong they are well paid for the contracts.(comparative to their home countries).they cherry pick who can live there..if its so great why arent the tides of immigrants going there ? ..because its certainly nearer and more affluent.i dont believe its the tolerant paradise its being made out to be..more like a gated community
Great discussion, Zuby. As an American, I spend a significant amount of time in , Doha, and E. Africa and will be in Dubai most of March. Have been there many times. Respect for culture and the "Rule of Law" are why Doha and Dubai are so safe and other nations, such as the US, are having such a difficult time with rampant crime. It's sad that American people and politicians don't really understand this concept.
Thank you for a wonderful conversation.
Would like to hear Zubi's take on the porta potty scandals in Dubai.
I find most people who enter a country illegally are doing so for nefarious reasons. As a first gen American, my parents did it the legal way and assimilated to American culture (I’d even say my mom may have abandoned her roots a little).
But people who promote multiculturalism fail to realize that when a community develops, the dominant culture is dismissed a little “country” develops which shuns the majority.
If the people coming are oppressed they will find ways to gain power. It may be subconscious and psychological.
Who defines what is legal and what is not? The apartheid laws were legal, take note.
@@rexona1178 this is a very specific example of rules not being just. I find most people would agree their are rules to “citizenship”. I don’t think you can compare apartheid to someone choosing to leave their nation of origin to “gain right” to another nation. Apples to oranges
Sub'd from your appearance on Adam Carolla podcast. Great work!
Excellent chat lads
It's the socialism that doesn't work. European countries have large taxes, high government regulations, welfare states, high government spending to GDP and weak rule of law. This creates friction when you have an open door policy for poor and low value migrants to come into the country which are very likely to be a huge NET COST to the rest of society.
Compare this to Dubai which is basically the opposite of this. There you have generally a lot of financial freedom, no welfare state and strong rule of law. You can only move to Dubai if you invest a lot of money into property or a business, so people moving there will be able to support themselves, educated, low risk of crime and they will have a significant stake in the success of the city with money on the line.
Spot on.
I see you're asking the wrong questions => You pay high taxes ? Yes! But the one question that should DIRECTLY follow up is the following ; What do you get for it in return?! Exactly, the whole reason why people would always prefer Germany OVER Dubai! The german and Belgian model have shown that it works! High tax rates in exchange for welfare, child subsidies, near free education, near equal opportunity in terms of access to labor market etc. etc.
Dubai a desert state that can't even produce its own food, meaning EVERYTHING by default is expensive! Nothing can be regulated, because EVERYTHING is imported! I have seen it in super markets, I have seen it in labor markets, I have seen it various expos in Dubai. NOBODY wants to settle there, it's either a permanent thing or a temporary solution while escaping winter in Europe. People actually WANT to live in Europe, they WANT to work in Europe, they WANT to not rely on any benefits. I am not sure who told you, that migrants offer no value. Even the ones with low skills manage to join labor courses to enroll in jobs to get off benefits or learn language and join apprenticeships to get decent paid job.
@janjan55555 yes I pay high taxes so I have a right to question where that money is spent. The government doesn't create anything it just "distributes" the money from one person to another.
I pay taxes to contribute 10 kids to state school yet I send my own kids to private school, as the local schools are poor.
I pay taxes to cover 5 peoples health care, yet I look after my own health and use private health care.
I also pay taxes to cover needless wars in foreign countries whilst we cannot defend our own borders.
And I pay taxes that covers illegal migrants to live in hotels that shouldn't be in the country.
So yes I pay a lot of taxes and get nearly nothing in return. Worse than nothing actually in many respects.
So why would someone like me live in the UK? Why would a productive person move to the UK? Well people like me are leaving the country and low value migrants are moving to the country that will never pay enough taxes to cover their costs.
In short, the UK is running out of productive people to pay the bill and the socialism is unravelling. Watch the next 10/20 years to see what happens.
@@janjan55555 idk man, I live in Switzerland, I pay very little tax comparatively and I feel like I get my money's worth. Can't complain really... Idk how people do it elsewhere though. 30%. 40%. That's just crazy.
@@mysterioanonymous3206 well in Switzerland you have it pretty good I believe. In modern UK that is definitely not the case. Income tax is 45% for high earners. Plus national insurance of another 10%. Plus 20% VAT on all sold goods. Plus capital gains of 20%. Plus inheritance tax when you die. Plus dysfunctional/very poor value government services.
In the UK now, government spending to GDP is 46%, higher than communist China and Russia at 36%. And you can see it, everything is breaking down.
Assyrian here. Why does Carl Benjamin call himself “Sargon of Akkad” 🤔
Because he is appropriating your culture lawl.
Go to the outskirts of the city where they keep the slave cattle and see how the sausage is made.
Same in Qatar and their slave state structure.
I live in Qatar and you have no idea what you're talking about. Even the poorest workers have a much better quality of life than doing the same job in their original countries.
They kidnapped the slaves on planes and flew them over?
@mikailshaikh6846 and do you see where they live? I'm not doubting your words, just curious if that's what you perceive or have seen locally?
Also, the comparison you're making is actually pretty strange as it's comparison.may be abject poverty. They are pretty.much not allowed occupy the position you do over there, right?
They.are confined to a lower class, look at all the worker deaths for the world Cup. These were doing jobs you certainly would not and passports taken away.
You're repeating the same leftist commentary that translates to basically "they should be grateful, haven't we elevated them to a slightly better life", while they occupy thr servant and labour class.
It's like youre doing them a favour by letting them serve you, handed down from above, a better life.
@@dogwklr I live amongst where the workers live (I'm a British teacher) yes I have a better quality of life then they do because I have my own apartment whereas workers will typically have to rent or be given a 2 person apartment for 5+ people. This is always a hard discussion to have with proper nuance because there is absolutely some legitimacy to some of the criticism, but a lot of this is mixed with half truths and some pure myths- the stadium workers deaths for example has been basically debunked, these figures that went into the 1000s were total deaths of migrants (who are 90% of the population and include teachers like me!) anywhere in the country, most of these were from road accidents (road safety has since improved a lot as well.) passports here are not seized (maybe they once were I don't know) recruitment fees are illegal and changing jobs no longer requires the employers permission. The trajectory is positive. Also 'migrants' have a huge diversity of jobs, doctors, engineers, teachers, others work in services, shops, as drivers, Nannies, security etc. only a minority are actually labourers- people often invisage these people when referring to slaves- I don't think any of them have an obligation to be grateful because they're not hired out of altruism. Obviously. There is absolutely some legitimate criticism to be made about working conditions for many workers, though these are still improving, but the picture people who haven't been here have is very different to the actual reality
You should come some time there's lots to do and it's not busy or ostentatious the way Dubai is :)
It’s the failure to integrate. As a Brit few things make me prouder than when I see a person from another race or background embrace my way of life and share my values, or at the very least bloody trying. It’s when they try to change our ways to suite them that we are going to have an issue
I was chatting with my God-daughter who works in Dubai on Skype the other day. it was surprising and sad to see how she was so careful of what she was saying that I literally had to talk shop and nothing else. Multi-Culturalism for Dubai is "my way or the high way".
Indeed
You don't need to be religious in temple economics, however this is not rights based but dharm(duty) based.
I wouldn't consider it a typical multicultural society when the native community when the other communities who live & work there can never actually stay permanently or become naturalised citizens in addition to not having certain privileges the native community do.
Zuby is a brilliant analyst. He analyses issues so well. Kudos to him
Excellent points. Having spent substantial time in a few of the countries mentioned, this is 100% spot on.
I really like listening to Zuby speak as he sounds very intelligent and you can tell he has actually thought about these questions and issues.
As a man who’s a guest in another’s land BASIC COMMONSENSE
Most westerners think they have a right of say in every country they walk.
Spot on with the laws. It is not the multiculturalism that's the problem, but without a strict set of rules and an unwillingness to adapt to the culture of the particular place, it will just crumble.
Zuby is correct. Dubai and Emirates are an example of how people of different ethnicity and religions can live together when no one fills their heads with hate and stupid ideas. As a Jewish person I felt 100% safer in Dubai then in New York or Harvard. Do not remember who said that "Do not tell me which laws exist in the country, tell me if those laws are enforced". In Dubai they enforce their laws for everyone, especially for their citizens. Yes, it is not a democracy, but it is not a police state at all. Seems to me that the leaders of Emirates are very wise family of people.
The problem I have with multiculturalism in Britain, is that it’s replacing the NATIVE culture and people without their consent. We were never asked, we had it forced down our throats by traitors in government who never had a mandate from the British people to open the borders.
Britain forced their culture onto the entire globe, Britain doesn't belong to native Brits when you guys conquered the entire globe.
Britain replaced so many NATIVE cultures & people without there consent.they were never asked either.
What goes around, comes around.
What are you talking about? British people elected governments that over and over again that welcomed immigrants. Since British people conquered and exploited half the world it would have been hard to have no immigrants. Elected is the people of Britain giving consent to the ruling party at that time. It wasn't "forced down our throats" and they are not traitors, you as a people elected them.
I worked for four months in Dubai on contract. We started AT THE AIRPORT with a 3 hour presentation of what not to do in dubai.
Yelling in public is a jailable offense. Cursing in public is a jailable offense. Criticizing public officials is a jailable offense. Smoking hashish is a jailable offense unless you come from a certain "class", then it is fine.
You can go to jail for almost anything. I stayed in my hotel room for most of the time to keep out of trouble.
You have a problem being a decent person?
Seems u cant have self restraint. All the things u mentioned fall under respectful behaviour.
Interesting stuff, thanks Zuby
What area/neighborhood is best for a Dubai visit where I can walk? I know the city isn’t so walkable but is there one part of the city that is more suitable for exploring by foot? I’m not keen on the skyscrapers or shopping malls - I prefer older, or more authentic neighborhoods regardless of demographics. Thanks!! 🚶
Dubai is not multicultural. It is monocultural. Nearly 80% was muslim in the 2010 census. Are you saying that there can be multiculturalism as long as there one overarching culture?
This only works because the dominant religion is Islam. If Islam was one of the minor religions, it would be entirely different. Of course, put any financial pressure on the Arabs within the UAE and I suspect that these other religions who are "tolerated" would be paying the Jizya.
What are the apostate and proselytizing laws within the UAE? Perhaps you should ask your fellow Nigerians how tolerance with Islam in Nigeria is going.
Jizya doesn’t equate to not being tolerate or treating people unfairly 😂
Precisely so.
@@km0262it taxes non Muslims?
@@bunnystrasse yeah so? Should non Muslims not contribute to the land they live in?
3m people is not a lot of people my friend
People always think of multiculturalism in a provincial perspective so I appreciate this take. It isnt about supremacy or one culture being the best. I am not Japanese, but I dont want Japan to become North Korea. Im not Yugur but dont want it to become Chin chinese. Im not Indian but dont want it to become Pakistan. The world is big enough we can have places to be ourselves, we dont need to turn every single area into the same homogenous mudernity. If you dont like it where you are , go where you do like it, dont turn where you are into somewhere ese.
Nowhere is static. Cultures are dynamic and evolve. Who says what the fixed "culture" of a place is?
Dubai is very strict on críme and they don’t let people make excuses for it. Also, Emiratis don't have to work and most of them don't. It's believed half of all citizens of working age are unemployed. They get generous welfare benefits, up to $5,000 each a month and free housing.
The spelling of this city is wrong...the correct spelling is ---> "Do-Buy."
Clever
I am pretty sure Dubai is really really selective who they allow to enter the country. When did Dubai accepted Palestinian refugees into their country? How many?
As long as you don't mind having freedom of speech, yeah its a great place...
There were almost no people in Norway when foreigners were welcomed, and most of the locals were so kind and generous that they thought it was rude to expect anything from refugees. This led foreigners to go rampant and exploit the trust, the wealth, and the people like crazy. Especially since many of the newcomers came from horrible conditions and had never seen any money or trust in their life. In addition, the Norwegian culture is not strict, it’s rather open and free; giving most foreigners an exposure to freedom they’ve never seen.
Nobody ever said Dubai was perfect. Learn from the good and the bad to make something better.
Criticize my country as much as you like, but for something that didn't exist 50 years ago, its progress is the envy of the world.
Any "enlightned dictatorship" with money or natural resources at their disposal in the country has a very easy job in doing well and grow...
Try to do that in an actual democracy with universal voting, human rights and freedom of speech...
@dimercamparini Universal human rights, and you still have people who can't get dental care.
I don't undervalue the West; we borrow all of our best ideas, technologies, and entertainment from Europe and America.
But you're not gonna convince me that a country where kids get shot in schools is that much better than what we've got.
You don't have the moral authority.
Your coping mechanism works for yourself and other like-minded individuals, but it's not about equivicacy or superiority.
Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.
How many Christian churches are being built in Dubai or other faith places of worship. Dubai works because it keeps it's own culture and enforces it's rules. Good luck to them.
This is exactly what I've been telling my close friends about Dubai ever since Mo Vlogz put me onto Dubai in 2016 and going to Dubai for 2 months in 2021 only confirmed what Zuby is saying about Dubai.
It works when you don't enable people to never assimilate.
By that I don't mean everyone should be the same but I mean that when you are in public and dealing with other people it is on a common playing field. The US (and I assume other places where it fails) they teach school in multiple languages, people can literally live in a pocket of ex-pats and never have to deal with the other cultures and if they need to they have a friend or family member translate, etc.
You're correct Zuby. But, also all people who live there from different cultures are (very) well doing financially.😉
Or slaves
Zuby is a very intelligent and independent voice.
It's a return to the historical class structure. [1] A ruling indigenous elite, then [2] wealthy professional expats who know that have to respect the elites, then [3] all other natives, then [big distance] all other groups. Basically, the same as England pre-WW2 just with a stricter religious setting
Zuby made one point that I think is critical. He said “they don’t respect the local culture”. The reason why it works in the UAE is that there is no local culture. In places like Italy, Germany, Holland any France there is definitely a local culture and local history that will disappear soon as more and more immigrants come and don’t assimilate. When you have a nanny state like in Western Europe and in the US, where people come and expect to be taken care of by the government, and you don’t force people to adopt local customs, you end up with a mess. This especially happens if you have weak enforcement of laws.
and the poop trucks sometimes create convoys a mile long
I took a poop at the top of the Burj Khalifa on purpose, just to laugh at the thought of those trucks! Hahahaha
Dubai would be crime free if you legalised prostitution, exploitation, slavery and corruption. I've been visiting Dubai for work since 1988, and over the years, I've seen many changes. You've only got to walk around the older parts of the city to see what's going on.... anyway, what is this Dubai portal potty of which I've heard so much about?
PS, I don't mean African slaves that ended way way back in 1963.
Respect and assimilation have always been the problem with putting different cultures together. It’s kind of par for the course in places like the US, but only because those in charge end up wanting it both ways. They want the freedoms the bill of rights lays out for themselves and those they like, but they don’t want to uphold the rule of law to those people as well. And it doesn’t take much to shatter the community when standards aren’t applied equally across peoples.
Well spoken gentlemen.
What about the human slavery ?
Dubai and UAE is definitely multicultural with native rule. The country has Sharia law but has allowed some western acceptance. The country has almost zero crime rate also.
So, consequences for your actions matter? Such a noble concept.
As someone who claims to understand culture and how people see it you certainly seem very ignorant to the fact that Japan has in fact been getting a lot of hate recently for standing by their culture and beliefs..
It’s actually an enormous talking point in gaming, comics and anime at the moment and the issue of localization etc
But like every other conservative commentator you only think you understand while being completely oblivious to other sub cultures you don’t care about because they don’t matter to you…
Compared to the hate the western countries get, those angry Reddit posts don’t compare
Dubai’s only inviting the best where we are forced to accept everyone or else.
But also what was Dubai 100 years ago? what was it 200 years ago? It’s been built up and expanded into what it is with hosting everyone in mind, emphasis on hosting. Whereas Europe has been handed over against our will and torn down because of it. Just by being here on our magic soil you are us and have always been us please by your presence wash us clean of our colonial sin please take back what was never yours, please be our strength, but everyone knows it’s a lie, everyone knows its wrong. It doesnt matter if they were both born in Paris you know the diffrence between a Frenchman and a Nigerian and thats not going to change.
The difference is money. Dubai has enough to go around so all are satisfied. Most other countries are more competitive. Mixing races and religions has never permanently worked. Yugoslavia was an example of a violent break-up despite the length of time all sides had lived together
I lived in Dubai for a fews years, and LOVED it.
Dubai is a nightmare it’s not the goal
Ah but does Dubai give every community a Public Holiday? In my country they do. We all speak one common language. We understand not to disrespect anyone's religion. Sometimes the Muslims will try to cause trouble but they get smack down very quickly.
What country
I too am curious which country you speak of?
The only reason we are all now talkng and arguing about this stuff is America. I was ahead of the curve when i began following US politics in 2007 ish. But with the internet and social media etc. It seems like whatever happens in the US spilsover into our cultures. It's become like one massive melting pot and it's super dangerous.
And boring. It's very, very boring nowadays. A monoculture in the making.
This seems to be talking about the difference between cultural pluralism (classic multiculturalism with no real need for a shared culture) and multicultural integration (diversity of culture and with some common culture)
You also don’t hear a peep out of any feminist about women’s treatment in other countries either. It’s just the USA, and typically in an election year.
When you have a sh!t load of money then feminism suddenly gets thrown to the water and the feminists stop talking.
You see even feminists want a mega wealthy sugar daddy to be on easy street !
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Multiculturalism works in 2 scenarios; either when an authoritarian regime is in place and sufficiently powerful to keep the factions in line or when the population are rich enough for the factions to not compete for resources. I'd argue that Dubai fits both of those criteria.
If anything it's a good way to manage your people. Keep the workers housed in one area, others in others etc.
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Dubai and Singapore make a clear distinction between citizens and foreigners. They are strict about illegal immigrants and deportation is fast. For example, the judiciary rarely prevents deportation because of the laws of the home country (such as the death penalty) or cancer or dialysis treatment. The UAE and Singapore have shown that creating clear barriers and differences in treatment between citizens and foreigners is an element of the success of diversity and multiculturalism.
I rang in 2023 new year’s at the Burj Khalifa, Dubai. I agree with Zuby, Dubai was the cleanest and safest that I visited in the last two years as a solo traveler and I’ve been to over 30 countries during that timeframe. It is the number one country I would move to if they didn’t have strict immigration policies. But that is why it’s safe because they have strict immigration policies. Look at how many people from Africa and the Middle East to move into the western countries and not Dubai, when it’s much closer. They will tolerate the same crap the west do and for that they will remain number one.
If you visit a country as a tourist (any country) you are NOT actually seeing the REAL place...
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