Reuploaded due to a small position mixup during intermission in the original version. TL;DW It's Shabin. If you raid in NA PF, this should match almost perfectly with what you've been doing. If you raid in EU PF, there are a handful of differences in spread/pair positions that you can probably spot from watching the first minute. This tier's guides has taken a huge amount of effort, but I hope they have made savage a little more approachable, especially for 1st time raiders.
For EU players reading this, the EE2 pairs stack is very different. Not only the positions, but who your partner will be as well. In our current most popular raidplan for P1 (EE2 Uptime, known as 'OQ5') we don't +1 the long debuff counter and do our stacks like this: DPS: Short2 + Long2 = Flank DPS: Short3 + Long1 = Rear Support: Short2 + Long2 = Under Support: Short3 + Long1 = Front In this guide, it's instead this (long debuffs are +1): DPS: Short3 + Long2(+1) = Flank DPS: Short 2 + Long1(+1) = Under Support: Short2 + Long1(+1) = Rear Support: Short3 + Long2(+1) = Front Spread positions are also completely different: OQ5: MT: Under OT: Front M1: Flank M2: Rear H1: Front far H2: Front far (off to side) R1: Rear far R2: Rear far (off to side) Hector: MT: Front OT: Rear M1: Under M2: Flank H1: Front far (off to side) H2: Rear far (off to side) R1: Front far R2: Rear far If you put up a PF either under the OQ5 or Hector for next week's reclear or prog, make sure that everyone is on the same page about what the pairs and spread positions are for EE2 so you can- who am I kidding, we're all doomed
This was my first time stepping into Savage and I would not have been able to do it as well as I did without you and your guides. Thank you for all the work, it is greatly appreciated :D
Like a lot of other people, I literally would not be savage raiding if it weren't for you, Hector. You're literally the sole pillar supporting NA party finder from devolving into impudent chaos.
I do think Witch hunt could be described a little better to match Shabin as DN specifically has people doing their bait positions when it's their role's turn example as a melee for 3rd and 4th baits I'm always most in no matter what and ranged dps always go out
Since this has been reuploaded, I'll re-post my comment I left regarding an easier way to read Exas. EASIER WAY TO READ EXAFLARES - You don't need to read TWO arrows, only ever ONE. Once you get to your safe spot with your light party on either the left or right of the arena, simply look across the arena to the other side, and find the Exaflare on the edge that is facing OUT of the arena. THIS IS YOUR SAFE LANE. For an example, if I am LP2, on the right side of the arena, all I need to do is look to the left side of the arena, find the ONE arrow that is pointing out from the arena on the edge, and that will be my safe lane. In Hector's example, this would be lane 3. There is absolutely NO NEED to match two arrows. The single arrow on the opposite edge will ALWAYS correspond to the same direction on your side. After the initial explosions hit, simply move into this safe lane, and you can chill for the rest of the mechanic. Hope this helps!
I wish I could upvote this more than once. Def need an amendment video. Hector's explanation was way too complicated. We've also been lining up on the first safe spot from north. No need to be on the middle safe spot.
@@jseck91 the middle safe spot appears to still be melee uptime, and now whether lane 2 or lane 3 is safe, you only move a little bit, instead of needing to cross entirely across lane 2 to reach lane 3 safe. theres no need to be in the north safe spot, just dodge the exas.
@@steveh1474 Out of the 100+ pulls I have done, and 2 clears, I have seen lanes 1 and 2 be the safe lanes far more than lane 3. Its also never lane 4. There is no point in being so far back in the room. The first safe spot is the high % play.
Hello Hector. I am the person who originally created the AutoCAD part of the AutoCAD uptime Sunrise strat. I only mention this because I think it is important to mention that the safe spots are on the *dead middle of the edge of the waymark*, and the maximum amount of safety requires you aiming for this specific spot on the marker. You did naturally put the placement of the player icons in this spot (which aligns with the raid plan). However the phrasing "on the edge" of the waymark is not specific enough. This is due to the angle you make with the baited cannon is the most important factor when considering "safety" margins with this strat. Standing too close to either edge messes with this angle and will cause you to hit another player. Due to the popularity of this strategy I see in PF now, I thought it was necessary to get this information out there. The point of creating this strat and modelling it in AutoCAD was to give an absolute point of reference to stand in to be safe, while maximizing the amount of "wiggle room". Unfortunately this means that, due to geometry, only the center of the waymark on the outer edge is safe. There is no way to place the markers such that the corner of the waymarks safe. I don't feel that this necessarily warrants a major change to the guide, just wanted to put the information out there, to hopefully prevent frustrations with the strat. For reference, there is an image now included in the AutoCAD raidplan description that shows the AutoCAD-guaranteed safe spots on the marker. The shapes are odd due to the nature of how the cannons are baited being highly dependent on the angle made between you and the center of the cannon. If anyone here doesn't want to find that image in the description above, here is the safe spots for the 1 waymark as depicted by my amazing text-art skills. X marks the safe spots. ---- ---- X ---- ----- | | | | X 1 waymark | | | | | ---- ---- ----- ---- -----
@@Bearpigman thank you! My static was trying the billibilli Strat on day 4 and was frustrated at the “loose” spots that was causing clipping. I happened to have the tools to find out how to create exact markers. Figured we would share it and didn’t expect it to become popular at all.
@@pyrionflax3143 yeah I technically used Fusion360 and not AutoCAD. We just thought AutoCAD was funnier and sounded better. The name is from the fact that in order to find the safest positions we needed to model it. The mechanic is quite tight.
ALERT: Something of note. Some people will stand slightly on the outside of the waymark. This works, but only if all 4 people do it. Someone dead center on the X will get clipped by someone 25% on the X.
i love you hector you've helped me out with multiple tiers now at this point so i just want to be vocal and tell you i appreciate the effort and i hope you continue to keep making strategy videos in the future man thank you
Hey bro. Just wanted to say thank you for making these. Seeing where I should be placed and then actually doing it is the exact way I learn. You got me through m1s-m3s in less then two weeks and now I'm here proging m4s. So thank you mate, appreciate the work you put in.
Used a combination of this guide, a few sims, some tank pov's, and mitigation sheets to help get my clears for this tier, thank you for all your work on these
Your video already shows it, but the best way I think to solve witch hunt while thinking the least is, if the baits are far and it’s an out, and near and in (so they match, far/out and near/in) then you’re always baiting away from marker and avoiding baits on markers, and if the baits/aoes are opposite (near/out and far/in) you’re baiting on your markers and avoiding baits away from markers. You kinda went over it already but figured this might clear some stuff up so people can think a little less. Match = baits away from marker Opposite= baits on marker
Thanks for another tier Hector! Always appreciate your guides and was seriously going into m4 today. Was looking at shabin but this video to help visualize will help a ton!
Dude thank you SO MUCH for these guides theyre awesome and have really been helping me and my friends get through the tier, 3 weeks down 3 bosses down and starting this fight this week. So thank you again a million times over.
Thanks to your guide I was able to clear the fight! Also congrats on the interview to the community team of FFXIV. I’m glad you’re getting the recognition for your hard work. Keep doing great ❤️
I guess shababin got mass reported "This paste has been deemed potentially harmful. Pastebin took the necessary steps to prevent access on August 30, 2024, 10:54 am CDT. If you feel this is an incorrect assessment, please contact us within 14 days to avoid any permanent loss of content."
Hey man, I just wanted to say that I've already cleared these fights, but even so, I still come back to your videos to review them before I do reclears each week. Thank you for all the effort you put into your videos. I try to always leave a comment and/or a thumbsup on the videos. They're a great resource for the community, and we're lucky to have them. I hope you keep them up for all content across Dawntrail and beyond. I've got you followed on Twitch as well, and hope to see ya around there sometime. Thanks again for doing what ya do.
same here, I already killed the entire tier twice with my static, but I still come back to watch Hector's guide. Really glad that this dude maintaining raiding community with all of these vids
An easy way to do witch hunt this way which helped me a lot: completely ignore the near/far and only focus on the point blank/donut. If you're support: just go to your baiting spot for your first two regardless on if it's near/far, and then go to your dodging positions for the last two. Dps do the opposite: dodging positions for the first two baiting positions for the last two. With this it doesn't matter whether ranged or melee get picked everyone should still be dodging it safely, provided the ranged baiters take an extra step out and the tanks go center of the waymarks on an out
The way I do it is if it's Narrowing you're only ever ON your waymark when it's time to bait. If it's Widening you're only ever OFF your waymark when it's time to bait.
nice guide thank you. im always happy to look at the guides that shows exacly the positionals. im also very hyped for next extriime fight, and i do hope you are the guide for it ones it arrives.
First time commenter. Just showing appreciation for how much the guides have helped and enabled players all around the world who dont have statics to troubleshoot. I cant imagine the time it took to get all of this into such easily digestable content. Thank you
being able to watch this along with the shabin pastebin for my pausing and reading has immensely helped. I'm sure i'll be stuck on it for WEEKS but this definitely helped lmao
Yes! Cleared week 1 switching between uptime sunrise to normal and I must say you hit everything perfect in this guide! this is exactly what we did week 1 and I hope everyone gets there clears! Thank you for the guides hector. PF is going to be a lot more smoother!
I cleared all fights befofre you guides but i always watch them no matter what because they help me understand and even learn things i didnt get before, been watching your guides since Asphodelos keep up the amazing work. Side note: Phase 2 autos HURT, MT gets chunked heavily during certain mechs
I've just got to say man, that despite this being my 1st raid tier (started in 6.5 EW), I already cleared M1S, M2S and M3s already (in week 2) via party finder alone. I could never have done it if not for your guides. Thank you for your hard work, it really makes people like me able to clear savage raiding and get into higher difficulty content. Even if some people claim that your guides are unoptimal, which I strongly disagree with, it helps tremedously in uniting pfs and push together with a consistent plan. Can't wait to try my best at M4S this week!
@@حمدالمطيري-ز4ل thanks man, just reporting that she's officialy dead. I repeat, the horsey is gone. Can definitely recommend the guide, it worked like a charm
is there a way to actually place the waymarks for the autocad strat midfight? or do you have to place them before you even start phase 1? cuz technically you cant place them in combat? (also HUGE thanks for the Guide Hector!)
Easy way to think about witch hunt: If the first bait aligns with the first witch hunt, you do the opposite of the witch hunt unless its your turn. E.x., widening with far-close-far-close you would be near + in-far + out-near + in-far + out EXCEPT for your specific bait. If they don't align, you do the same as the witch hunt unless its your turn to bait. E.x., widening with close-far-close-far would be far + out - in + near - far + out - in + near unless its your turn.
Thank you Hector! You've been helping me understand the fights in a really approachable way! I appreciate the work you put into these guides! I watch several creators to learn the fights and you all do fantastic jobs.
as someone who cleared week 1, this is a great guide! all the strats are accurate to what you would be doing on pf in NA. a couple of notes I have are that you actually only need to look for one exa to find your safe spot. if you look directly across to the far column of exas and find the only one pointing away from you, that's your safe lane. the other thing to note is that the knock up at the end of transition is in fact a knockback, so if you're not all tightly stacked you can get knocked too far in one direction and not make it onto the other arena safely. the dodges as described in the video are typically referred to as "color dodges" mostly to just ensure everyone's dodging the same direction. have fun and get that clear, gamers!
Would you be willing to make a mini guide on Team DN’s Witch Hunt? Personally, I found it required much less thinking to resolve Narrowing/Widening Witch Hunt using this strat.
I no longer trust pastebin in pf, ppl are always adding the most ratchet positions for dealing with mechanics haha. Like boss relative positions to mechanics that AREN'T BOSS RELATIVE!!! I am put on full tilt when I read stuff like that lol
For Sunrise Sabbath can the towers end up next to each other at all? You showed North+South and East+West but is there a possibility for something like East+North? If not, then you don't really need the "Snakes" Priority. Just have DPS take North/East and Supports South/West (or whatever configuration you want) Great guide as always, very much appreciated!
Towers are always opposite. The snake prio is required for the guns, as you may have to check 3 spots for the correct colour gun. Shabin uses it for towers too for consistency.
I believe shabin does that to avoid forcing a picto/blm to have to move. My static personally had the hit players move to the tanks, but both variations work fine.
@@HectorHectorson picto has more than enough movement and black mage can teleport to another player. This is just higher risk in PF with no reward. Am i missing some huge benefit here?
why make a caster/healer move when a tank loses nothing by having to move? it's not like it's particularly difficult for a tank to tell who to pass to.
Why make a healer/caster move versus a jump that can move with no downtime? Makes no sense to tease your gcd to slidecast over to the tank to cause a fuck up versus just having the tank move. You must be a tank player who just wants to be lazy.
@@lilzael helo, got a combined healer parse of 99 on week 1 doing squishies move for mustard bomb. The strat in this video is just begging for a wipe depending on how the tanks face their camera. Forcing your tank to solve the mechanic for you reeks of incompetence and asking to get carried
I'm still practicing M1S but I came here to comment xD, great work. I really like watching your cat at he end, it helps me a lot with the anxiety of learning a high end fight :)
I just cleared this fight without using your guide and I have to say no other video or raidplan explains mechanics as easily understandable as you do. I just understood how exaflares are easily solveable for example..
I feel like some people do not realize that the cannon priority is relative to how the towers spawn in for sunrise. Idt hector actually mentions that, but it is shown in this video. I’ve had to explain this to quite a few tanks tbh who kept wiping on sunrise.
Oh boy here we go again. Hector keep making cool shit, you are awesome for pf. For exaflares you just need to look for the exaflares going out of the arena, no need to look for 2 exaflares going in the same arrows. Pf sunrise memes comes from blasting each with cannons. Never step beyond the diagonal line of the tile when baiting cannons.
First spot everyone goes to is clockwise from their corner. Then they move back to their corner. When I say 'dodge slightly clockwise" they have already moved clockwise from their corner.
For Midnight Sabbath: If you have to move to dodge the first clone by going counter clockwise, but then you have to rotate again to dodge the second clone, do you go counter clockwise again or go back to where you started?
Good question! Did you find out what to do in that case? I didn’t think about it, and I just started progging phase 2 Edit: yeah, so after you dodge ccw and you gotta move again, you go back to your original spot, you don’t keep rotating ccw
curious why you put 3 supports north and 2 south during ee2, when they bait their explosions opposite? ik it's relative vs tn but wondered if there was a reason
3s in front 2s in back is just how the shaba bin did it arbitrarily + the orientation of spreads/stacks has no bearing on the orientation of lightning cage, the distance you have to move before/after stacks is completely random.
Hey just wanted to say thank you for all the work you put in these guides. Me and a friend are using them to clear our first savage tier ever. Keep up the good work
I don't think it's mentioned in the guide, I could be wrong but for the phase 1 tankbusters, the boss will get in an autoattack in before the debuff wears off, so it can be best to just mitigate the first hit and then invuln the second just to ensure the invuln goes through the buster just to assure the auto attack doesnt kill you if your invuln timing is a bit early and so white mages dont benediction you too early if you have any.
If you timed it right (just before the tankbuster goes off), the vuln will drop off between auto attacks and you can use your short tank CD/self-heals to bring your HP back up or protect yourself for that sneaky last one. I did it as a WAR, so it was as simple as Bloodwhetting as the vuln fell off and Thrill+Equilibrium, but the other tanks should likewise have something to protect themselves.
There is an easier way as a slight alteration of Shabin, you can even fix the pair r1+m1 and r2+m2 and just have the melees swap in case both are long or both are short. The PF strat of having everyone realize their position instead of just 2 people checking if they need to swap position reduces the total brain burden a bit.
Dunno if you'll read this or not, but just wanted to say you're the GOAT Hector. I've already cleared the tier and OCE kinda does it's own thing in PF, but I'll always support you and your work. You were my static's lifeline for the entirety of the panda raids and you greatly assisted my understanding of the mechanics so that I could be a better shotcaller. I appreciate you and hope you keep up the wonderful work. Oh, and best of luck to everyone going for the clear :) You all got this
Placing them after the fight is over doesn't help that either. The only way to get placements that work is by placing them and doing the fight and then adjusting until they work. Unless there's an addon that lets you place them mid combat, idk.
if melee are southeast and southwest & close baits are under boss they will overlap them killing the tank and eachother......... if they dont get killed by the tank's close bait first which is likely......
@@SLEEPYDOGINUso if its 2 guns and the first one spawns in cardinal, as a melee I will stay in my safe spot right? And then rotate ccw for the second gun in inter-cardinal
Noticed @ 9:44 there's a Melee and a Ranged together... I'd hope if you see your 'ranged' DPS one has it and one doesn't, they'd stack together for melee uptime.
Sideways spart doesn't make any sense at the 9:02 mark with the stack and spreads. When people have to spread M1 is on the boss, but when they stack they are outside with R2. Why not keep it simple and keep M1 always in and M2 always out on both stack or spread.
The stacks aren't fixed. They always target the long debuff players, so players go to spots based on the number of stacks they had. You can fix M1 in and M2 out, but then R1 and R2 may have to swap positions on the fly due to how the debuffs come out.
@@HectorHectorson so the stacks we get at the beginning of the mechanic we basically “hold on” to for the whole mechanic which determines our positioning?
@@Sals-Clips Yep. The stacks/spreads are how long debuff players get the +1 that I suggest you add at the very beginning of the mechanic. If two long debuff players stack together or clip each other with stacks, even if they survive, they get a +2 instead and will likely wipe the group.
I have a question regarding the exaflare mechanic in early P2. If the starting position (between the arrows on the edge), are safe from the first AOEs that go off next to you, why not just stay there for the entire duration instead of moving up into the correct row? If it doesnt affect uptime. Do the AOEs at the end of the row spread further than the circumference telegraphed making the start position unsafe? For the record, I resolve the mechanic fine doing as described in this guide but if its easier to just stay put, its less decision making.
Regardless of where you pick to start, one of the rows will be sending an exaflare towards you that will narrowly reach into the safespot and clip you. If you pick a safespot next to the safelane, you COULD hug the side of the safespot nearest to that safe lane, but it will always be safer to move in to the safe lane and the amount of movement is negligible for any class.
Would love to see all combos of midnight. Gets glanced over but can be so deceptive. Had to look up a bunch of povs to find the double cannon/double bird combos
Sorry, I actually have a question. In EE2 when spreading in this video, I noticed that R1/H1 is north and R2/H2 is south. But in the shabin (slide 5), that's flipped, R1/H1 are behind the boss, and R2/H2 are in front of the boss? Why?
I show both TN and BR spreads as options, as Shababin wasn’t clear on this when I made my video. Shababin now clarified that these spreads should be done g1 left, g2 right facing the boss, so expect this if doing it in PF.
@@HectorHectorson that's...unfortunate if that's their intent. That's a lot of distance for the rdps to correct last second based on a cleaving direction, especially those without movement abilities. After asking this comment I asked in PF what do they actually do and they told me everyone just spreads regardless of their position cause there's room. Terrified me a bit. Thanks for replying.
I just have a question about midnight sabbath for anyone who has cleared the fight. When you need to dodge the AOEs, is it always counter clockwise as shown in the video? As I noticed that in Rinon's guide it shows people dodging clockwise. So if you are doing Hector is it always dodge CCW, and if it's Rinon do you always dodge CW?
Before you decide to use this strat please check out OQ5 and Q-Go, especially if you are on EU. Its slightly modified Rinon but is way simpler, consistent and less prone to errors on Narrowing/Widening, EE2, Mustard Bomb and Midnight Sabaath.
@@Shanna244 he said most of PF doing OQ5 and Q-Go, hecor is rly smilar to that only few positioning is diffrent in some mechanics but overall is worth to learn both, ofc you can learn only hector way but keep in mind it will be harder for u to find party specially kill partys using OQ5 and Q-Go, becasue they get used to it. personallly i dont like hector mustard bomb but i guess its to personal preferences
@@matysq007 you have more ppl in PF with the both Raidplan NOW. But since he posted this guide, more and more ppl use his Strat to practice. If more ppl get the kill, more Hector Killpartys you will see in PF. Like always. Week 1 and Week 2 ppl use the Raidplan and trolling all time the Hector Groups. 🤬😡
unfortunately it seems Hector is already the main strat adopted on prog parties... I didn't feel this yesterday on reclears but I fear I'll have to memorize yet another spread position that doesn't really add much to what we were already doing.. I'm sure as hell not accepting this mustard bomb heresy though...
Hello, I know this may sound stupid, but is there a possibility for my smol brain to better "understand" Widening/Narrowing Phase? I know how the mechanic works but it confuses me to be that fast to get what my spot is. Sorry 😭
I normally see the pattern as normal (widening + out or narrowing + in) or cursed (widening + in or narrowing + out). On normal, I am always on the waymark, except when it's my turn to bait. On cursed, I always dodge further than the waymark, except when it's my turn to bait. For my static, I call normal as "Tanks more in, healers more out, melees more in, ranged more out" and I call cursed as "Tanks on waymarks, healers on waymark, melees on waymark, ranged on waymark" There is also a static version of this, shown in the Pastebin, that simplifies the mechanic mentally in exchange for making the positioning a bit tighter. Maybe give it a look and see if you find that easier.
same but honestly i just muscle memory all the possible patterns into doing it lmao i just need to figure out what i will start with for example widening then i get out and i see if i need to really get out or stay close as possible then i do the opposite of the things until it's my turn and i do exactly what the bait wants me to do (which as a melee dps it's either the 3rd or 4th turn) of course this also takes some time to process but it's just what has been working for me so far T_T
Progging this now and literally everything about Witch Hunt I've understood backwards for some reason lol. My Critical Listening standardized test scores coming back to haunt me...
Really good stuff on all guides you put out this tier! However, it's very, VERY bizzare to me why you suddenly decide to have the pairs move CCW instead of CW during Midnight Sabath. It literally goes against everything you've done in the other guides (they're either CW or color based, this one is NEITHER). Is there any particular reason why, I'm very curious! Great stuff otherwise.
This guide was designed to be fully compatible with the Shabin pastebin used in NA, so as to minimise people having to relearn any of the fight if my guide was used in PF. My own group does CW, but it’s just personal preference.
On EE2, you have a mistake on the initial beams going to the debuffs. Short players will either get hit two or three times, and long players will get hit one or two times. The one turns into a 2 after the partner/spread and the two turns into a 3 after the partner/spread.
Not a mistake. The long "3s" are only hit twice. I just recommend people add their additional 1 right at the start for ease of remembering the mechanic. This means when I show "3s" and "2s" paired, it is really short 3 + long 2 and Short 2 + long 1.
I’d recommend making a small amendment to mustard bomb which is to make the non hit players go to the tanks and back to their spot instead of the other way around.
I've yet to see this not leave one healer so I assume its always a healer and a DPS. I'd rather the healer keep casting. Same goes for the M Ranged. Tanks can move. slide cast once towards the tank is a reasonable ask though
That’s what I’m saying bro 😂😂😂literally just move while pressing a single button. But these comments 😂😂😂. Nahhhhh let’s make casters break rotations and lose uptime instead, definitely much better, right? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
IF for midnight sabbath it was a pattern where you had to dodge twice, (EX: 2 guns, with intercardinal spawning first) Would you dodge CCW 2 times, OR CCW 1 time and then back CW?
@@HectorHectorson Why haven't you followed the colour waymarkers as if the waymarkers existed in p2 like you'd be seeing if you were using the AutoCAD strat or had memorised from p1?
for EE2 second part true north is always A ? so the side not being cleaved is going to be that side. i feel confused with that sometimes so if anyone clarify be great lol.
An honest question. Why are 2N 3S but when it's pair it get flip 3N 2S for EE2? Adding some thinking into a simple mech for no reason instead of keeping things consistent.
am I stupid in that I don't know what the 'priority system' is that you're talking about on sunrise sabbath? I've gone back over and over in the video and I can't find what the heck you're talking about.
For lasers, you need to get hit by the opposite colour. If you yolo this, the DPS and support with blue debuff might go to the same yellow laser, and the party wipes. If the DPS looks N -> CW and the support looks NW -> CCW, they will always go to different yellow lasers. For towers, this can be simplified down to DPS N or E, supports S or W.
for prog, i think just always doing THMR for witch hunt is best. theres a 50% chance that this "uptime strat" actually even gets you more uptime since even if tanks and melees have close baits, if its an out simultaneously it really doesnt help them much and having to flex will assuredly cause more wipes to this mechanic. Optimize later, prog and get your first clear with strats that are as simple as possible.
Qq5 is the reference to the raidplan The only difference between raidplan and hector is ee2 and mustard bomb U can search it up for the link to the raidplan or ask someone for it in pf
The witch hunt explanation is good in understanding the mechanic, but it doesn't follow Shaba pastepin exactly, which is confusing people in PF from what I am seeing.
For mustard bomb, why would you have tanks track who wasn't hit and go to them instead of having the players who weren't hit collect the debuffs from the tanks?
Unless you know your kill time, it’s still best to pot at the very end of transition before phase 2. Most kill times don’t benefit from holding until after transition.
12s before 2 min comes up, the pot window will end with the knockback on your last gcd. You will only be able to use a third pot after Sunrise if you use it at the end of transition.
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Reuploaded due to a small position mixup during intermission in the original version.
TL;DW
It's Shabin. If you raid in NA PF, this should match almost perfectly with what you've been doing. If you raid in EU PF, there are a handful of differences in spread/pair positions that you can probably spot from watching the first minute.
This tier's guides has taken a huge amount of effort, but I hope they have made savage a little more approachable, especially for 1st time raiders.
For EU players reading this, the EE2 pairs stack is very different. Not only the positions, but who your partner will be as well. In our current most popular raidplan for P1 (EE2 Uptime, known as 'OQ5') we don't +1 the long debuff counter and do our stacks like this:
DPS: Short2 + Long2 = Flank
DPS: Short3 + Long1 = Rear
Support: Short2 + Long2 = Under
Support: Short3 + Long1 = Front
In this guide, it's instead this (long debuffs are +1):
DPS: Short3 + Long2(+1) = Flank
DPS: Short 2 + Long1(+1) = Under
Support: Short2 + Long1(+1) = Rear
Support: Short3 + Long2(+1) = Front
Spread positions are also completely different:
OQ5:
MT: Under
OT: Front
M1: Flank
M2: Rear
H1: Front far
H2: Front far (off to side)
R1: Rear far
R2: Rear far (off to side)
Hector:
MT: Front
OT: Rear
M1: Under
M2: Flank
H1: Front far (off to side)
H2: Rear far (off to side)
R1: Front far
R2: Rear far
If you put up a PF either under the OQ5 or Hector for next week's reclear or prog, make sure that everyone is on the same page about what the pairs and spread positions are for EE2 so you can-
who am I kidding, we're all doomed
This was my first time stepping into Savage and I would not have been able to do it as well as I did without you and your guides. Thank you for all the work, it is greatly appreciated :D
Like a lot of other people, I literally would not be savage raiding if it weren't for you, Hector. You're literally the sole pillar supporting NA party finder from devolving into impudent chaos.
I do think Witch hunt could be described a little better to match Shabin as DN specifically has people doing their bait positions when it's their role's turn
example as a melee for 3rd and 4th baits I'm always most in no matter what and ranged dps always go out
I play only like in your guides....
Since this has been reuploaded, I'll re-post my comment I left regarding an easier way to read Exas.
EASIER WAY TO READ EXAFLARES -
You don't need to read TWO arrows, only ever ONE. Once you get to your safe spot with your light party on either the left or right of the arena, simply look across the arena to the other side, and find the Exaflare on the edge that is facing OUT of the arena. THIS IS YOUR SAFE LANE.
For an example, if I am LP2, on the right side of the arena, all I need to do is look to the left side of the arena, find the ONE arrow that is pointing out from the arena on the edge, and that will be my safe lane. In Hector's example, this would be lane 3. There is absolutely NO NEED to match two arrows. The single arrow on the opposite edge will ALWAYS correspond to the same direction on your side. After the initial explosions hit, simply move into this safe lane, and you can chill for the rest of the mechanic. Hope this helps!
I wish I could upvote this more than once. Def need an amendment video. Hector's explanation was way too complicated. We've also been lining up on the first safe spot from north. No need to be on the middle safe spot.
@@jseck91 the middle safe spot appears to still be melee uptime, and now whether lane 2 or lane 3 is safe, you only move a little bit, instead of needing to cross entirely across lane 2 to reach lane 3 safe. theres no need to be in the north safe spot, just dodge the exas.
@@steveh1474 Out of the 100+ pulls I have done, and 2 clears, I have seen lanes 1 and 2 be the safe lanes far more than lane 3. Its also never lane 4. There is no point in being so far back in the room. The first safe spot is the high % play.
oh god bless
@@jseck91 "Hector's explanation was way too complicated" looking for two arrows is too complicated? bruv.
Got all the clears on M1-M4S. Definitely appreciate your guides, they helped out so much.
Hello Hector. I am the person who originally created the AutoCAD part of the AutoCAD uptime Sunrise strat. I only mention this because I think it is important to mention that the safe spots are on the *dead middle of the edge of the waymark*, and the maximum amount of safety requires you aiming for this specific spot on the marker. You did naturally put the placement of the player icons in this spot (which aligns with the raid plan). However the phrasing "on the edge" of the waymark is not specific enough. This is due to the angle you make with the baited cannon is the most important factor when considering "safety" margins with this strat. Standing too close to either edge messes with this angle and will cause you to hit another player.
Due to the popularity of this strategy I see in PF now, I thought it was necessary to get this information out there.
The point of creating this strat and modelling it in AutoCAD was to give an absolute point of reference to stand in to be safe, while maximizing the amount of "wiggle room". Unfortunately this means that, due to geometry, only the center of the waymark on the outer edge is safe. There is no way to place the markers such that the corner of the waymarks safe. I don't feel that this necessarily warrants a major change to the guide, just wanted to put the information out there, to hopefully prevent frustrations with the strat.
For reference, there is an image now included in the AutoCAD raidplan description that shows the AutoCAD-guaranteed safe spots on the marker. The shapes are odd due to the nature of how the cannons are baited being highly dependent on the angle made between you and the center of the cannon.
If anyone here doesn't want to find that image in the description above, here is the safe spots for the 1 waymark as depicted by my amazing text-art skills. X marks the safe spots.
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thank you for your work and effort on making this pain in the ass mechanic more braindead
@@Bearpigman thank you! My static was trying the billibilli Strat on day 4 and was frustrated at the “loose” spots that was causing clipping. I happened to have the tools to find out how to create exact markers. Figured we would share it and didn’t expect it to become popular at all.
did you call it autocad cause of the program ? lool i just wanna understand the naming convention
@@pyrionflax3143 yeah I technically used Fusion360 and not AutoCAD. We just thought AutoCAD was funnier and sounded better. The name is from the fact that in order to find the safest positions we needed to model it. The mechanic is quite tight.
ALERT: Something of note. Some people will stand slightly on the outside of the waymark. This works, but only if all 4 people do it. Someone dead center on the X will get clipped by someone 25% on the X.
i love you hector you've helped me out with multiple tiers now at this point so i just want to be vocal and tell you i appreciate the effort and i hope you continue to keep making strategy videos in the future man thank you
Hey bro. Just wanted to say thank you for making these. Seeing where I should be placed and then actually doing it is the exact way I learn. You got me through m1s-m3s in less then two weeks and now I'm here proging m4s. So thank you mate, appreciate the work you put in.
Still on mouser bruh
Then play the game there’s no way you’re having that much trouble on mouser with more than 2 hours of prog 💀
give up
I'm still on normal bruh
@@knightsolaire5351casual static be like. We are enrage prog m1s but we also only raid like 3hrs a week
i believe in you and your static but i cant lie these other comments are gold
Used a combination of this guide, a few sims, some tank pov's, and mitigation sheets to help get my clears for this tier, thank you for all your work on these
Thanks! Your content is goated.
Thank you so much!
First full on-content Savage tier clear thanks to you. You're the best and thank you for all you do for the raiding community.
I cleared M1S to M4S thanks to your guides. Thanks a lot for the hard work.
i like how electrope edge works somewhat similar to mouser
they really are sisters
Savage arena for m4s has really nice touches if you take a look at the background skybox during phase 2
They also both summon clones, have half room cleaves, and have an arena divided into tiles.
The melody of their fight theme is essentially the same, same thing again with the gym they train in.
Your video already shows it, but the best way I think to solve witch hunt while thinking the least is, if the baits are far and it’s an out, and near and in (so they match, far/out and near/in) then you’re always baiting away from marker and avoiding baits on markers, and if the baits/aoes are opposite (near/out and far/in) you’re baiting on your markers and avoiding baits away from markers.
You kinda went over it already but figured this might clear some stuff up so people can think a little less.
Match = baits away from marker
Opposite= baits on marker
thank you for this. this is so much clearer than any other guide I have watched. a very clear "this happens, do this" :3
Can already see the fights in EU PF because of all the spread spots being different from the stuff used for the last 2 weeks
This would happen anyway tbh lol
Thanks for another tier Hector! Always appreciate your guides and was seriously going into m4 today. Was looking at shabin but this video to help visualize will help a ton!
very good explanation. idk if ill remember it all in the moment. but everything is more clearer now. hopefully i get it done tomorrow.
Dude thank you SO MUCH for these guides theyre awesome and have really been helping me and my friends get through the tier, 3 weeks down 3 bosses down and starting this fight this week. So thank you again a million times over.
Thanks to your guide I was able to clear the fight! Also congrats on the interview to the community team of FFXIV. I’m glad you’re getting the recognition for your hard work. Keep doing great ❤️
I guess shababin got mass reported "This paste has been deemed potentially harmful. Pastebin took the necessary steps to prevent access on August 30, 2024, 10:54 am CDT. If you feel this is an incorrect assessment, please contact us within 14 days to avoid any permanent loss of content."
I've added a link in the description to a temporary backup.
Hey man, I just wanted to say that I've already cleared these fights, but even so, I still come back to your videos to review them before I do reclears each week. Thank you for all the effort you put into your videos. I try to always leave a comment and/or a thumbsup on the videos. They're a great resource for the community, and we're lucky to have them. I hope you keep them up for all content across Dawntrail and beyond. I've got you followed on Twitch as well, and hope to see ya around there sometime. Thanks again for doing what ya do.
same here, I already killed the entire tier twice with my static, but I still come back to watch Hector's guide. Really glad that this dude maintaining raiding community with all of these vids
Just wanted to say thanks again for these guides. You're an absolute life saver!
Thanks!
An easy way to do witch hunt this way which helped me a lot: completely ignore the near/far and only focus on the point blank/donut. If you're support: just go to your baiting spot for your first two regardless on if it's near/far, and then go to your dodging positions for the last two. Dps do the opposite: dodging positions for the first two baiting positions for the last two. With this it doesn't matter whether ranged or melee get picked everyone should still be dodging it safely, provided the ranged baiters take an extra step out and the tanks go center of the waymarks on an out
nice way to think of it
really helpful ngl
The way I do it is if it's Narrowing you're only ever ON your waymark when it's time to bait. If it's Widening you're only ever OFF your waymark when it's time to bait.
Gonna keep this in mind when learning, thank you
what is my baiting position and dodging position?
My group is working on this fight rn and your guides help a lot ❤
Im at midnight sabbath, but this guide has been such a great help. Thank you for your work!
nice guide thank you. im always happy to look at the guides that shows exacly the positionals. im also very hyped for next extriime fight, and i do hope you are the guide for it ones it arrives.
First time commenter. Just showing appreciation for how much the guides have helped and enabled players all around the world who dont have statics to troubleshoot.
I cant imagine the time it took to get all of this into such easily digestable content.
Thank you
being able to watch this along with the shabin pastebin for my pausing and reading has immensely helped. I'm sure i'll be stuck on it for WEEKS but this definitely helped lmao
Yes! Cleared week 1 switching between uptime sunrise to normal and I must say you hit everything perfect in this guide! this is exactly what we did week 1 and I hope everyone gets there clears! Thank you for the guides hector. PF is going to be a lot more smoother!
Thanks for the fix on the intermission visuals!
I’d rather the guide be as helpful as possible. Thanks for the help!
Thanks for taking the time to do these. I have been raiding for two tiers now and don't know if I could have ever done it without your awesome guides
I'm here for the cat at the end
Thanks for the re upload and leaving the kitteh in 26:15
I swear to god, you keep posting the guide for the next fight as soon as we clear the last one. Got out of M3S like half an hour ago XD
Got out of there just in time then LMAO
Thanks a lot for the guides, Hector! I always love how you explain stuff and show clear visuals for the fight
I cleared all fights befofre you guides but i always watch them no matter what because they help me understand and even learn things i didnt get before, been watching your guides since Asphodelos keep up the amazing work.
Side note: Phase 2 autos HURT, MT gets chunked heavily during certain mechs
I've just got to say man, that despite this being my 1st raid tier (started in 6.5 EW), I already cleared M1S, M2S and M3s already (in week 2) via party finder alone. I could never have done it if not for your guides. Thank you for your hard work, it really makes people like me able to clear savage raiding and get into higher difficulty content. Even if some people claim that your guides are unoptimal, which I strongly disagree with, it helps tremedously in uniting pfs and push together with a consistent plan. Can't wait to try my best at M4S this week!
Good luck with m4s I believe in you 🎉. I’m still on m3s
@@حمدالمطيري-ز4ل thanks man, just reporting that she's officialy dead. I repeat, the horsey is gone. Can definitely recommend the guide, it worked like a charm
Same, these are my first savage raids actually in any MMO ever. Wouldn't have done it without these videos.
Thanks for the video, my group is currently progging ion cluster.
is there a way to actually place the waymarks for the autocad strat midfight? or do you have to place them before you even start phase 1? cuz technically you cant place them in combat? (also HUGE thanks for the Guide Hector!)
You can't place them midfight. If you want to do autocad, you'll have to go without 4 of your waymarks in phase 1.
@@HectorHectorson Ahhh so you place the Waymarks for autocad from the start basically, I see! Thanks for the reply!
Got m3s done yesterday, lets get this bread
Easy way to think about witch hunt:
If the first bait aligns with the first witch hunt, you do the opposite of the witch hunt unless its your turn.
E.x., widening with far-close-far-close you would be near + in-far + out-near + in-far + out EXCEPT for your specific bait.
If they don't align, you do the same as the witch hunt unless its your turn to bait.
E.x., widening with close-far-close-far would be far + out - in + near - far + out - in + near unless its your turn.
that's the best way to think about it for me but it's still kicking my ass it's pretty hard!
Thank you Hector! You've been helping me understand the fights in a really approachable way! I appreciate the work you put into these guides! I watch several creators to learn the fights and you all do fantastic jobs.
I love your guides it sucked that i cleared before these got uploaded but great job nonetheless ❤
as someone who cleared week 1, this is a great guide! all the strats are accurate to what you would be doing on pf in NA. a couple of notes I have are that you actually only need to look for one exa to find your safe spot. if you look directly across to the far column of exas and find the only one pointing away from you, that's your safe lane. the other thing to note is that the knock up at the end of transition is in fact a knockback, so if you're not all tightly stacked you can get knocked too far in one direction and not make it onto the other arena safely. the dodges as described in the video are typically referred to as "color dodges" mostly to just ensure everyone's dodging the same direction. have fun and get that clear, gamers!
Would you be willing to make a mini guide on Team DN’s Witch Hunt? Personally, I found it required much less thinking to resolve Narrowing/Widening Witch Hunt using this strat.
Do you know why there are so many uptime sunrise parties in pf? Because normal sunrise parties just clear
hey man this is a good guide thanks for following the pastebin
I no longer trust pastebin in pf, ppl are always adding the most ratchet positions for dealing with mechanics haha. Like boss relative positions to mechanics that AREN'T BOSS RELATIVE!!! I am put on full tilt when I read stuff like that lol
For Sunrise Sabbath can the towers end up next to each other at all?
You showed North+South and East+West but is there a possibility for something like East+North?
If not, then you don't really need the "Snakes" Priority.
Just have DPS take North/East and Supports South/West (or whatever configuration you want)
Great guide as always, very much appreciated!
Towers are always opposite. The snake prio is required for the guns, as you may have to check 3 spots for the correct colour gun. Shabin uses it for towers too for consistency.
@@HectorHectorson I see, thanks for elaborating!
Thanks Hector was progging this. Watching this in my free time feels a lot more impactful than staring at a pastebin.
why have the tanks monitor 6 other players in mustard bomb instead of the others looking at just their own hp bar?
I believe shabin does that to avoid forcing a picto/blm to have to move. My static personally had the hit players move to the tanks, but both variations work fine.
@@HectorHectorson picto has more than enough movement and black mage can teleport to another player. This is just higher risk in PF with no reward. Am i missing some huge benefit here?
why make a caster/healer move when a tank loses nothing by having to move? it's not like it's particularly difficult for a tank to tell who to pass to.
Why make a healer/caster move versus a jump that can move with no downtime? Makes no sense to tease your gcd to slidecast over to the tank to cause a fuck up versus just having the tank move. You must be a tank player who just wants to be lazy.
@@lilzael helo, got a combined healer parse of 99 on week 1 doing squishies move for mustard bomb. The strat in this video is just begging for a wipe depending on how the tanks face their camera. Forcing your tank to solve the mechanic for you reeks of incompetence and asking to get carried
I'm still practicing M1S but I came here to comment xD, great work. I really like watching your cat at he end, it helps me a lot with the anxiety of learning a high end fight :)
I just cleared this fight without using your guide and I have to say no other video or raidplan explains mechanics as easily understandable as you do. I just understood how exaflares are easily solveable for example..
Hey! the pastebin attached to the video is deleted by the website. just an FYI
I feel like some people do not realize that the cannon priority is relative to how the towers spawn in for sunrise. Idt hector actually mentions that, but it is shown in this video. I’ve had to explain this to quite a few tanks tbh who kept wiping on sunrise.
Thank you for always taking your time to make such easy to understand guides! They’re always super helpful!
Just in time for my m4s prog, thanks! :)
Quick Question. Why rotate 180 when a mirror is easier and it keeps g1 west and g2 east since we use that for all of the fights?
I was able to clear the entire savage tier for the first time thanks to your guides.
Oh boy here we go again. Hector keep making cool shit, you are awesome for pf. For exaflares you just need to look for the exaflares going out of the arena, no need to look for 2 exaflares going in the same arrows.
Pf sunrise memes comes from blasting each with cannons. Never step beyond the diagonal line of the tile when baiting cannons.
When you say "dodge slightly clockwise" everyone moves CCW at 13:30. Which one is it? :D
First spot everyone goes to is clockwise from their corner. Then they move back to their corner. When I say 'dodge slightly clockwise" they have already moved clockwise from their corner.
@@HectorHectorson Yea got it after playing the thing, thanks for the guide (even though we do everything differently on EU lol)
For Midnight Sabbath: If you have to move to dodge the first clone by going counter clockwise, but then you have to rotate again to dodge the second clone, do you go counter clockwise again or go back to where you started?
Good question! Did you find out what to do in that case? I didn’t think about it, and I just started progging phase 2
Edit: yeah, so after you dodge ccw and you gotta move again, you go back to your original spot, you don’t keep rotating ccw
curious why you put 3 supports north and 2 south during ee2, when they bait their explosions opposite? ik it's relative vs tn but wondered if there was a reason
3s in front 2s in back is just how the shaba bin did it arbitrarily + the orientation of spreads/stacks has no bearing on the orientation of lightning cage, the distance you have to move before/after stacks is completely random.
Electrope Edge 1, are the 2 possible safe corners always diagonal to each other?
No. They can be adjacent (both north or both south)
Hey just wanted to say thank you for all the work you put in these guides. Me and a friend are using them to clear our first savage tier ever. Keep up the good work
I don't think it's mentioned in the guide, I could be wrong but for the phase 1 tankbusters, the boss will get in an autoattack in before the debuff wears off, so it can be best to just mitigate the first hit and then invuln the second just to ensure the invuln goes through the buster just to assure the auto attack doesnt kill you if your invuln timing is a bit early and so white mages dont benediction you too early if you have any.
If you timed it right (just before the tankbuster goes off), the vuln will drop off between auto attacks and you can use your short tank CD/self-heals to bring your HP back up or protect yourself for that sneaky last one. I did it as a WAR, so it was as simple as Bloodwhetting as the vuln fell off and Thrill+Equilibrium, but the other tanks should likewise have something to protect themselves.
There is an easier way as a slight alteration of Shabin, you can even fix the pair r1+m1 and r2+m2 and just have the melees swap in case both are long or both are short. The PF strat of having everyone realize their position instead of just 2 people checking if they need to swap position reduces the total brain burden a bit.
Dunno if you'll read this or not, but just wanted to say you're the GOAT Hector. I've already cleared the tier and OCE kinda does it's own thing in PF, but I'll always support you and your work. You were my static's lifeline for the entirety of the panda raids and you greatly assisted my understanding of the mechanics so that I could be a better shotcaller. I appreciate you and hope you keep up the wonderful work.
Oh, and best of luck to everyone going for the clear :) You all got this
24:55 You don't need to beat the fight to mark the other platform. Just turn around and place them on it at the spawn.
Placing them is one thing. Positioning them precisely enough for uptime sunrise is another.
Placing them after the fight is over doesn't help that either. The only way to get placements that work is by placing them and doing the fight and then adjusting until they work. Unless there's an addon that lets you place them mid combat, idk.
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The healer/melee swap in Narrow/widening makes no sense so can some explain why thats being done here?
if melee are southeast and southwest & close baits are under boss they will overlap them killing the tank and eachother......... if they dont get killed by the tank's close bait first which is likely......
For midnight sabbath would you keep rotating ccw if it was two birds for the pattern?
no, you go back to your original spot, your safespots are just your marker + 1 ccw spot
@@SLEEPYDOGINUso if its 2 guns and the first one spawns in cardinal, as a melee I will stay in my safe spot right? And then rotate ccw for the second gun in inter-cardinal
Noticed @ 9:44 there's a Melee and a Ranged together... I'd hope if you see your 'ranged' DPS one has it and one doesn't, they'd stack together for melee uptime.
All 4 “pair” positions allow for uptime if everyone is max melee.
We love u Hector 🎉 Thanks for your Guides!
Sideways spart doesn't make any sense at the 9:02 mark with the stack and spreads. When people have to spread M1 is on the boss, but when they stack they are outside with R2. Why not keep it simple and keep M1 always in and M2 always out on both stack or spread.
The stacks aren't fixed. They always target the long debuff players, so players go to spots based on the number of stacks they had.
You can fix M1 in and M2 out, but then R1 and R2 may have to swap positions on the fly due to how the debuffs come out.
@@HectorHectorson so the stacks we get at the beginning of the mechanic we basically “hold on” to for the whole mechanic which determines our positioning?
@@Sals-Clips Yep. The stacks/spreads are how long debuff players get the +1 that I suggest you add at the very beginning of the mechanic. If two long debuff players stack together or clip each other with stacks, even if they survive, they get a +2 instead and will likely wipe the group.
I have a question regarding the exaflare mechanic in early P2.
If the starting position (between the arrows on the edge), are safe from the first AOEs that go off next to you, why not just stay there for the entire duration instead of moving up into the correct row? If it doesnt affect uptime.
Do the AOEs at the end of the row spread further than the circumference telegraphed making the start position unsafe?
For the record, I resolve the mechanic fine doing as described in this guide but if its easier to just stay put, its less decision making.
Regardless of where you pick to start, one of the rows will be sending an exaflare towards you that will narrowly reach into the safespot and clip you.
If you pick a safespot next to the safelane, you COULD hug the side of the safespot nearest to that safe lane, but it will always be safer to move in to the safe lane and the amount of movement is negligible for any class.
@@HectorHectorson copy that, ill stick the plan.
Would love to see all combos of midnight. Gets glanced over but can be so deceptive. Had to look up a bunch of povs to find the double cannon/double bird combos
Is there any reason as to why partner stacks positions are swapped from the detonation spots in ee2? I.e. 2 hits stack south and 3 hits stack north?
thank mate, nice guide, its really helpfull !
Sorry, I actually have a question. In EE2 when spreading in this video, I noticed that R1/H1 is north and R2/H2 is south. But in the shabin (slide 5), that's flipped, R1/H1 are behind the boss, and R2/H2 are in front of the boss? Why?
I show both TN and BR spreads as options, as Shababin wasn’t clear on this when I made my video. Shababin now clarified that these spreads should be done g1 left, g2 right facing the boss, so expect this if doing it in PF.
@@HectorHectorson that's...unfortunate if that's their intent. That's a lot of distance for the rdps to correct last second based on a cleaving direction, especially those without movement abilities.
After asking this comment I asked in PF what do they actually do and they told me everyone just spreads regardless of their position cause there's room. Terrified me a bit.
Thanks for replying.
I just have a question about midnight sabbath for anyone who has cleared the fight. When you need to dodge the AOEs, is it always counter clockwise as shown in the video? As I noticed that in Rinon's guide it shows people dodging clockwise. So if you are doing Hector is it always dodge CCW, and if it's Rinon do you always dodge CW?
If you are raiding in aether, its CCW. Pastebin (shabin) use mostly the same strats
Before you decide to use this strat please check out OQ5 and Q-Go, especially if you are on EU. Its slightly modified Rinon but is way simpler, consistent and less prone to errors on Narrowing/Widening, EE2, Mustard Bomb and Midnight Sabaath.
no. :) Hector much easier for me, dont care about the raidplans and trolling ppl in pf, that join "Oh Hector? Im out".
@@Shanna244 he said most of PF doing OQ5 and Q-Go, hecor is rly smilar to that only few positioning is diffrent in some mechanics but overall is worth to learn both, ofc you can learn only hector way but keep in mind it will be harder for u to find party specially kill partys using OQ5 and Q-Go, becasue they get used to it.
personallly i dont like hector mustard bomb but i guess its to personal preferences
@@matysq007 you have more ppl in PF with the both Raidplan NOW. But since he posted this guide, more and more ppl use his Strat to practice. If more ppl get the kill, more Hector Killpartys you will see in PF. Like always. Week 1 and Week 2 ppl use the Raidplan and trolling all time the Hector Groups. 🤬😡
@@Shanna244you say it like the hector groups dont troll week 1-2 parties
unfortunately it seems Hector is already the main strat adopted on prog parties... I didn't feel this yesterday on reclears but I fear I'll have to memorize yet another spread position that doesn't really add much to what we were already doing.. I'm sure as hell not accepting this mustard bomb heresy though...
Hello, I know this may sound stupid, but is there a possibility for my smol brain to better "understand" Widening/Narrowing Phase? I know how the mechanic works but it confuses me to be that fast to get what my spot is. Sorry 😭
I normally see the pattern as normal (widening + out or narrowing + in) or cursed (widening + in or narrowing + out).
On normal, I am always on the waymark, except when it's my turn to bait.
On cursed, I always dodge further than the waymark, except when it's my turn to bait.
For my static, I call normal as "Tanks more in, healers more out, melees more in, ranged more out"
and I call cursed as "Tanks on waymarks, healers on waymark, melees on waymark, ranged on waymark"
There is also a static version of this, shown in the Pastebin, that simplifies the mechanic mentally in exchange for making the positioning a bit tighter. Maybe give it a look and see if you find that easier.
same but honestly i just muscle memory all the possible patterns into doing it lmao
i just need to figure out what i will start with for example widening then i get out and i see if i need to really get out or stay close as possible then i do the opposite of the things until it's my turn and i do exactly what the bait wants me to do (which as a melee dps it's either the 3rd or 4th turn)
of course this also takes some time to process but it's just what has been working for me so far T_T
Ty all for the answer, got to M4 first time but not started, just cleared M3 :D
Are you supposed to hold 2min burst for the beginning of p2?
You can discuss with your party, but most ppl just send it, knowing they’ll lose a gcd or two
thank you hec you are a godsend ♥
Progging this now and literally everything about Witch Hunt I've understood backwards for some reason lol. My Critical Listening standardized test scores coming back to haunt me...
Really good stuff on all guides you put out this tier! However, it's very, VERY bizzare to me why you suddenly decide to have the pairs move CCW instead of CW during Midnight Sabath. It literally goes against everything you've done in the other guides (they're either CW or color based, this one is NEITHER). Is there any particular reason why, I'm very curious!
Great stuff otherwise.
This guide was designed to be fully compatible with the Shabin pastebin used in NA, so as to minimise people having to relearn any of the fight if my guide was used in PF. My own group does CW, but it’s just personal preference.
On EE2, you have a mistake on the initial beams going to the debuffs. Short players will either get hit two or three times, and long players will get hit one or two times. The one turns into a 2 after the partner/spread and the two turns into a 3 after the partner/spread.
Not a mistake. The long "3s" are only hit twice. I just recommend people add their additional 1 right at the start for ease of remembering the mechanic.
This means when I show "3s" and "2s" paired, it is really short 3 + long 2 and Short 2 + long 1.
hi:) sunrise sabbath this guns are always intercard & birds are card?
Yes. The only thing that matter is where the "birds" look to see where the towers are, that's it.
I’d recommend making a small amendment to mustard bomb which is to make the non hit players go to the tanks and back to their spot instead of the other way around.
*angry blm noises*. But I'm fine with it in other strats, since I can just zapp over without needing to go back
@@alyenalyen3885 Strats should appeal to the majority and require the least brain load.
I've yet to see this not leave one healer so I assume its always a healer and a DPS. I'd rather the healer keep casting. Same goes for the M Ranged. Tanks can move. slide cast once towards the tank is a reasonable ask though
@@Orcasgt22 Yeah as a tank player mustard bomb is absolutely a non issue for me to just walk over lol.
That’s what I’m saying bro 😂😂😂literally just move while pressing a single button. But these comments 😂😂😂. Nahhhhh let’s make casters break rotations and lose uptime instead, definitely much better, right? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
IF for midnight sabbath it was a pattern where you had to dodge twice, (EX: 2 guns, with intercardinal spawning first) Would you dodge CCW 2 times, OR CCW 1 time and then back CW?
NA PF has you dodge back to your original corner.
@@HectorHectorson Why haven't you followed the colour waymarkers as if the waymarkers existed in p2 like you'd be seeing if you were using the AutoCAD strat or had memorised from p1?
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for EE2 second part true north is always A ? so the side not being cleaved is going to be that side. i feel confused with that sometimes so if anyone clarify be great lol.
An honest question. Why are 2N 3S but when it's pair it get flip 3N 2S for EE2? Adding some thinking into a simple mech for no reason instead of keeping things consistent.
am I stupid in that I don't know what the 'priority system' is that you're talking about on sunrise sabbath? I've gone back over and over in the video and I can't find what the heck you're talking about.
For lasers, you need to get hit by the opposite colour. If you yolo this, the DPS and support with blue debuff might go to the same yellow laser, and the party wipes. If the DPS looks N -> CW and the support looks NW -> CCW, they will always go to different yellow lasers.
For towers, this can be simplified down to DPS N or E, supports S or W.
Thank you so much ❤
for prog, i think just always doing THMR for witch hunt is best. theres a 50% chance that this "uptime strat" actually even gets you more uptime since even if tanks and melees have close baits, if its an out simultaneously it really doesnt help them much and having to flex will assuredly cause more wipes to this mechanic. Optimize later, prog and get your first clear with strats that are as simple as possible.
Its better for PF for him to have a similar strat to the pastebin, and uptime witchhunt is not that much harder nor is it more thinking
Can u explain OQ5
Qq5 is the reference to the raidplan
The only difference between raidplan and hector is ee2 and mustard bomb
U can search it up for the link to the raidplan or ask someone for it in pf
The witch hunt explanation is good in understanding the mechanic, but it doesn't follow Shaba pastepin exactly, which is confusing people in PF from what I am seeing.
For mustard bomb, why would you have tanks track who wasn't hit and go to them instead of having the players who weren't hit collect the debuffs from the tanks?
Bc tank lose nothing by moving
@@shado3768 you have long enough that any job can slidecast if they don't want to use one of their many movement utilities.
@mosley3485 so make other players do it instead of you got it. As long a you aren't interrupted it's fine lol. You're a clown
Anyone know when the best time to do second 2min burst with pots?
Unless you know your kill time, it’s still best to pot at the very end of transition before phase 2. Most kill times don’t benefit from holding until after transition.
12s before 2 min comes up, the pot window will end with the knockback on your last gcd.
You will only be able to use a third pot after Sunrise if you use it at the end of transition.