To be precise, they first removed it in P3P most like to prevent the need of making more animations for the female protagonist, but keeping her options on par with male one. Reload just stuck with it most like out of the same reason: less animations to make.
its not animation problem, but balance they added team member control in p3p, so to balance this they decided to give player only one melee weapon variant
Tbh, different weapon only give slight advantage, and that's only applied with bow. With bow, even if you miss, you won't fall like other weapon and bow ultimate weapon guaranteed 100% hit, so you'll never miss when using it (including Yukari). I can't see any advantage when using others weapon except bow. They could just remove bow and let the MC use other weapons, instead of remove it.
@@troev i dont know how to break this to you but this would not change the game. it would be unbalanced if you can switch weapons in battle. the point of the dungeon battle mechanic is to constantly strategize how to progress using as little sp and hp as possible, once in battle you are locked in a role you are responsible for securing it. junpei uses fire and takes damage so you do not have to, yukari uses wind and heals so you do not have to. more weapons is just more responsibilities. even if you have all the magic, you will lose sp quicker, even if you have a bow, you are stuck till the end they weren't balancing shit, they were just making it easier for them to finish
I think the in game lore for the mc to be able to use multiple weapons, along with his fusion spell abilities, was that death enhanced all of his abilities overall
@@walkingglasses6264you inherent all the mythological abilities of your persona, even down to weapon mastery and resistance to mebtal ailments like fear. Is what Tatsuya basically said
@@legacymeme8746 persona users are superhumans by default even without actively using the persona ability. Think of how fast Joker's bruises healed and how fast he recovered from getting drugged. Shit was overnight
Other cool facts about this is that the summon voice lines and victory pose would change depending on the weapon you were carrying. I remember one where the protag does a little hair flip when the battle ends lol
"I wonder why they removed Makoto/Minato's ability to use all weapon types from FES!" Me who only played P3P before Reload: *Mass Destruction abruptly stops*
iirc a few things were either touched up upon or outright removed in P3P, and even moreso in Reload. Though some of those things just attributed to the difficulty of FES so
@@eviltoad746 Sorry, I know it's what he's called in the movie, but I refuse to call him Makoto Yuki because we already have another Makoto in the same timeline. I also call Joker Akira Kurusu instead of Ren Mama Mia
Boxing gloves having him use his right instead of left Akihiko(he’s a southpaw compared to protag) was a nice detail, same with his show off like kick.
Honestly I remember portable feeling a bit unbalanced because if you wanted the full range of standard attacks, you couldn't make your protagonist the strike guy, you NEEDED Akihiko
@@TheSuperNerdsShowWhy would you even need to use a different weapon? at the end game you mostly use your persona skills anyways so it renders normal attacks almost mute.
It’s cool you can use any weapon but i like how each character is kinda defined by their weapon of choice and can easily be identified… except mitsuru… how does she not do pierce
I much as I'm adoring Reload, it kinda sucks how many things they just... got rid of. Nothing game ruining by any means. The NEW additions and presentation make Reload worth it imo, but at the same time I miss the weapon options, being able to choose the Kendo or Swim teams, even the little things like Tartarus having a transition screen between blocks.
Someone made a mod-ish for P3P that allows the male MC to wield nearly any weapon type. It's not free of jank (unless it's been improved/remade for the 2023 Steam version). Maybe it's possible for an ambitious user to make a similar mod for Reload? In addition, I believe I've read that the WIP FeMC mod for Reload will allow her to wield a similar type of weapon to what she wields in _Portable_ (IIRC). I wonder if it's possible to suggest an add-on that allows her to wield nearly all weapons as well...
@@goshator Would it be possible to turn at least one of the 1HSword/Naginata weapons into a somewhat bludgeon-like weapon that deals Strike damage, and another one of them into a polearm-like weapon that does Pierce damage, even if they aren't wielded correctly? (If that workaround is possible, then could it be a separate mod that works for male MC as well?)
@@steam-powereddolphin5449 probably not, at least not at the moment. The mod currently only changes visual stuff like text and models, since a lot of things can't be changed with current tools including character animations. Game mechanics and weapon stats are most likely out of the question too
A bit off-topic, but this is also why it's painful to me to hear when people show that mod as proof that "it's that easy" to add femc into the game since "the modders are doing it for free". It'll take modders years before they'll even figure out how to change a lot of stuff, yet alone add social links and change entire story elements
@@goshator That's because modders lack the development tools and assets which the developers of the game had, so they have to work backwards to add those things in. Obviously modders have to figure out how the game functions when they don't have any of the tools or source materials available. That being said, I can understand where some difficulty may come from as modders can reusing assets from previous games (as far as I hear), unlike Atlus who would have to redraw and rerecord everything from scratch and that would cost them money along with development time. In spite of that, I do feel like P3R should have come out with P3P and FES content out the gate (rather than adding Answer as DLC), especially given the asking price for this game.
I mean to be fair, you couldn't control your party members in the original p3 and FES, so now with being able to control your party members, it makes sense to balance it out by limiting the mc to only 1 option
@@user-zl1vf4me1pYes, you go into tactics option and choose Direct, which allows you to control your party members as if they were MC, just limited to their own Persona.
It doesn’t make sense, it was just the cheaper option. Don’t give them credit like it was a big brained idea to not add in some of the best features of the old P3 games.
It would have been dope to add that in for reload. Like if the player wanted to use a specific weapon theh could go talk to a party member with said weapon to unlock it
While it is unfortunate that they left that mechanic out, engaging with Shadows in Reload isn't really that difficult to warrant an extra reach. I can only recall like... 2 times of my total play through where I was caught off guard by a shadow and I was playing on hard. And since you now fully control your party, it'd just feel like an unnecessary addition considering how much is already open to you. I don't believe for a moment that it was left out because of "them being too lazy to make the animations" cause have you SEEN THE ANIMATIONS IN THIS GAME? Aigis's 2nd Theurgy alone puts every single Persona game previous to shame like goddamn. The animation team was definitely proud of what they accomplished. I'm sure they would have put the same amount of effort like they did for every other animation had they been called to it.
while one can simply say just add it for aesthetics, its weird to put it there anyway as aesthetic while makoto cant use the weapons in battle so it contradicts the aesthetic itself
It wasn't removed cause laziness but rather for balance, in the original you couldn't control your party members so giving the MC access to slash/strike/pierce normal attacks made sense. Now that in the remake you can control the entire party you have a fairly even spread of slash/pierce normals (Strike is kinda shafted in that regard having only Aki as a normal striker but that's made up for by having the strongest hitting specials in God's Hand and Akasha Arts) so you no longer need the mc to have multiple weapons. Another thing they changed was that they took away the choice of what team to join in the chariot social link, before you had the choice between Running/Swimming/Kendo teams but they made it that the Canon team is the running one. Making it the running team makes sense given the context of the Strength and star social links.
@@neroblack2704 Now, see, Portable also nerfed Sabazios. Funny thing is, Aki was technically the best Ice user in FES - give him Sabazios and the Varuna Bracers, and he outdamages Mitsuru
Kinda was disappointed with them not really doing to much creativity liberties with the remake. It’s a one 2 one remake, which means tartarus is still the worst dungeon in Persona series with a slight clean coat of paint…. Seriously hoping for some improvement there but nah. The only time Tartarus felt something was those extra difficulty bosses with the red epic filter that took 2 seconds to implement with unreal. Just really wished they at least MADE the final part of tartarus special or anything. You just go up floor to floor even on the final day… again, just disappointed with this remake. I already 100% and beat the game on the hardest difficulty on a single max social link run. I felt it needed more. :/ especially for 70 dollars and I wouldn’t recommend it at its current price if you played any of the other persona 3 adaptions.
I have a theory : makoto doesn’t use fists in reaload because just like doom slayer he finds killing enemies with his fists way to easy so he uses weapons for extra challenge
(SPOILERS) The best part about wielding any weapon type in the game is that it makes Shinjiro’s axes still useable even after he leaves party. In Portable and Reload once he’s gone the axes are basically useless.
I kinda prefer them being useless for narrative reasons imo it really makes you feel his absence even more after his death it really Does end up feeling like he wasn't just a extra party member meant to only be there temporarily it genuinely feels like your missing an entire party member for the rest of the game that should be there
@@middlethenerd : but for same reason, i prefer shinjiro's weapons to still be usable by MC : so the MC may perhaps pay homage to Shinjiro by using his weapons, to remember him by, to feel that Shinjiro's still with the team in spirit. the option should not be removed.
@gendoruwo6322 I mean I always thought it was kinda weird that FES was the only game in the series that allowed you to use all weapons (it wasn't in the og P3 either) so I get it being removed for consistency and balance reasons
@@middlethenerd The fact that it was removed in Portable is more weird honestly. Makoto uses the same sword as Mitsuru and Kotone uses the same spear as Ken. They’re already using weapons utilised by another party member, so why not let them use the other party members’ weapons? (The most likely answer for this is that they didn’t want to make more animations for Kotone and they wanted the two main characters to be equal, which is why they removed the ability for Makoto to wield any weapon. Still don’t get why it couldn’t have been brought back for Reload though.) I also get the angle of it adding to Shinjiro’s death by making his entire weapon line inaccessible, but being able to use the axes (and most other weapon types) also makes sense narrative-wise for Makoto’s wild card abilities.
Always used short swords even tho I had all those others options. It's one of those features that It's neat to have but you can easily balance something out of it and not miss a lot
Well, in all honesty what is not such a huge loss, only weapon what had an actual use was gloves anyway(due to normal Attack blunt dmg), saying it as i did a run with every single weapon type
It’s not very often a rpg lets the protagonist literal throw hands against enemies. It’s usually allies while your character wields a sword. It’s a shame the reboot didn’t bother to keep these other weapon options. Variety is always nice even if they’re not optimal and great if they are.
I think they should have kept that. This was one of the many things that made Persona 3 special for me. I always thought that since the protagonist could wield any Persona, he could also wield any weapon. That gave us the sensation that our character was truly customizable.
For real bro, there was solid autonomy and free will to choose what weapon style you preferred and experiment with. Checks out a lot with being the fool arcana who is basically a joker/jack of all trades
frfr bro p3fes had this experimental yet sensible concepts that made its unique charm. p3reload watered it down and it became more lazy, generic, normie pleasing, playing it safe
Also depending on the weapon type mc had different sounds when using personas, with bows almost every time he shouts PERSONA, and with axes he just grunts
Is a shame. I really liked to use all weapons, plus. I also miss being able to pick which clubs. I loved the kendo team and the photography club, but in reload you can only be on the track team and art club. I would have at least asked them to keep the option to have the final scene with a girl from the team you had romence, as it was on P3P.
I believe it was like that in the original, and Fes was the update. Perhaps in the future the fans should be more careful about versions being remastered and not just the game.
The original also let's you use multiple weapons. Fes mostly added a few scenes and changed some activities. P3P was the only version before reload that limited weapon choices.
I know the video just wanted a short breakdown of the various weapon types so here is a bit more about each type: _ 1h sword : average reach and average winding up time in exploration mode _ 2h sword : longer reach and slower winding up time in exploration mode _ Spear : the same as 2h sword but has pierce attack type _ Hammer/rod : unsure It is either 2h sword of the strike attack type or 1h sword _ Bow : longest reach and slowest winding up time _ Boxing fists : shortest reach but also fastest winding up time.
I was also disappointed, mostly because that was the only reason to not trow Shinji's weapons, in my opinion the most powerful in the game, now once Shinji's passed away I cannot use it in the MC and had to sell all of it. :(
As someone who"s only been able to play P3P, the ending fight poses are actually so cute. So sad they had to remove it due to most likely budget back then, though having him get more things would've been sick asf
I would give up if I were you, Atlus is never going back to the mindset they were when they cooked FES. A lot of it would require going back on perceived "quality of life" so they fear fans would dislike it.
Forget that, bring back Akihiko’s old moveset lol I’m still salty. I know the game is easy as hell esp towards the end but they did such a disservice. The sword thing isn’t even that big a deal compared to the fact they removed DJ Fuuka. I’m pretty salty about the cut content lol
Would be cool as dlc. Pretty sure we're getting The Answer as dlc but i hope we get another story dlc after that. Maybe we can finally find out what Elizabeth has been doing since the March 5th
We Know what Liz does after the evetns of p3. Margaret talks about it when you beat her ion p4g. She mentions, loosely and somewhat ambiguously, that liz is searching, with aigis for a way to save door kun
It would've been cool if other party members would be able to teach you how to use other weapons (at least Akihiko, he literally offers to teach you to fight with your hands)
Thing is it would have made sense for Makoto to be able to use the gloves in reload. There are many instances where Makoto was ready to throw down bare handed and the times he does he always comes out on top.
I feel like the protagonist in Persona 3 Reload is severely less vocal. Even more so than Joker form P5. Here I can here every attack he does. When I was playing P3R I almost forgot he wasnt a mute when I heard him whisper something 15 hours into my run.
Baton pass and all out attack new animations to remark the characters personalities and make them feel unique, theurgies to make them look useful and, again, remark their personality (and in the case of Junpei add a cherry on top of his Chidori arc) and most ctuscenes being remake from low quality anime to 3D. But yes, it is a downgrade because they didnt add the most useless and unnecessary feature. Seriously, it was in one game, how is it a downgrade only here and with all the upgrades the game added.
@@su_patatita_1951 nah bro def a downgrade, autonomy and free will in any weapon choice adds a lot of personal fun and variety. p3reload is for normies, its basically persona 5 blue with that baton pass lmao
Shame they got rid of this in portable and reload because you could still have access to Shinjis endgame weapons after he's gone and that had humongous attack stats
dont forget that if you just used the sword you will never hear the mc say "persona" when summoning. youd have to use i think the long sword, bow, or boxing gloves
tactics was super fun and like gamble x prediction style of gameplay by knowing your teammates habits, now p3reload lets you ccontrol all players but it doesnt hit the same. normies think they're getting more gameplay but its so predictable and overly calculated. P3fes lets you realize you really are just a player along with your teammates, not some omnipresent god who can calculate everyting. P3fes you had to adjust and make the most out of it and create good coordination and teamwork
Well the practical reason for why they removed it probably stems from not making more animations for Kotone, which then led to them canonising Makoto as a one-handed sword user, as seen in the spin-offs and movies. Besides, I think it's cool for each MC to have their own iconic weapon type. I wonder what 6'll use?
@@amarant1275 Probably not. Firstly, Sho is already an established character, and modern Persona protagonists tend to be blank slates. Secondly, Sho's pretty deep into the P4 lore. People who haven't played the games would be really confused by who this guy is and why he's already connected to the Shadow Ops and IT. Lastly, dual weapons for a protagonist was already done with Joker's dual knives. While they MIGHT add more weapon types, dual swords feels a bit farfetched. I personally think a gauntlet user or axe user like Aki or Shinji would be cool.
@@bryannaing6316 No if they only drop some hints in the game to make people wonder what they´re talking about and create interest for the previous games. I would do that as a company. Plus the green color is his color too so there´s a posibility.
@@amarant1275 Even then, I think the general appeal of Persona is having a blank slate protagonist, so you don't have to play the prior games to understand what's going on. Also, Sho wore green, but his general colour was red. Red hair, red eyes when using Minazuki, etc. His clothes can easily change, but his body can't.
@@axis1247 Portable introduced the rapiers for Mitsuru though. That came out three years BEFORE Arena. Reload is just replicating how weapons worked in Portable. So you got it reversed, Arena was just reflecting this implementation of Mitsuru not the other way around.
The spear: longer reach The bow: safe distance Boxing Gloves: I'm punching that Shadow whatever it takes. The world can be full of might and magic, but fisticuffs with that magical enemy will always occur.
Oh, that sucks..man 😢 sometimes i found a really cool weapon i wanted to give to him. Or one that's almost as good as another one. So i will just sell it when i play this one 🤷🏾♀️
Because early mid to late game, we mainly use Persona and rarely use normal attacks. So they reduce animations. P4 and P5 protagonists only use one type of weapon.
that's because Reload is primarily a Persona 3 remake, not a Persona 3 FES remake. several other features were also removed, like being able to join the Kendo or Swim team.
Why are so many people thinking that the og didn't let you swap weapons? And to the other things. The other things like club choices where in the OG persona 3 aswell. Technically this isn't even something they cut. Because you would have to remake all animations they didn't include it. Tbh it was clear that they wouldn't include weapon switching, in debth AI-Tactics, FeMC or The Answer at launch. The biggest issue is cost vs. use. How many people are actually interested enough to dive into a game to even find out they can switch weapons or choose different clubs? Not that many. Similar to how ultimately only a minority of people cares about FeMC and/or in depth AI Tactics (which were gutted and only included since p4 and never became a valid alternative for direct command like they would have been if the tactics are more varied like in p3 or fes). And the Answer is much better sold as a seperate DLC because people will eat that shit up.
Alternate weapons felt like a balancing change, because for the first two blocks of the game you couldn't exactly command your party members to target physical weaknesses. The best way to approach the first Tartarus midboss is to bring in a bow for MC and use that instead of relying on Yukari, whom will attack the same enemy twice and just bring them back up.
Iirc fes had removed weapons from vanilla it seems but I was unaware mc still had some of them. As originally mc could use every weapon other than aegis because obviously that'd be physically impossible and I think doggos. He could use Yukari alihiko mitsuru Ken and Shinjiros (junpei and mc already shared 2h swords)
It was the best thing they ever made. As we all know, the game only have akihiko & shinjiro as a strike damage while the slash are 4 person and pierce are 3. But when shinjiro died, I had to pick akihiko in the party throughout the gameplay. I hate to fusion a persona because we all know how long it took to get exactly the skills we want even the skill card ain't helping much as we have to fuse a persona and level it up and if you remember to register it to the conpendium or you go to the shrine and give it away but have to wait 4-5 days I guess then you can have the duplicate of it like AAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!
I dont really mind since it gives the characters more unique vibe, when each character have their own iconic weapon type. But i guess some might think of it negatively.
They also technically simplified the tactics menu; however, the action that party members make when controlled by AI is ridiculously good being very dynamic. The only downside is that Shift and Theurgy cannot be done for party members without using Direct Control. I find Tactics useful for grinding or extremely niche situations where you want to do something like have Yukari on healing duty or you want party members to do specific things and don't want to waste time in the menu.
They use Theurgy on bosses or when there are limited options which I think is good. The AI doesn't know how close you are to a boss fight, it prefers to save a super strong attack for when its needed rather than using it when you're 2 steps away from the big hard fight for no reason I still wish they had more tactics like FES but I am happy with the AI in Reload
Yeah that's the thing, though. Of course they didn't include that, because that was from P3 FES. They just included all the content from the original P3. Except for Chidori's resurrection, which was introduced in FES. I guess Atlus just couldn't bear to keep Chidori dead after such a heartwarming, dramatic cutscene. Plus, it's canon tha Chidori was alive, since Junpei often speaks of her in P4 Arena, and wears a necklace gifted from her.
Really a shame they left it out, I never really liked FES, more of a Portable fan, but the one feature I missed in Portable and now Reload was weapon choice. Weapon choice just gave a little bit of expression to YOUR protagonist, made him feel unique, and also let you imagine that he was learning from and with his teammates. It was a little thing that I feel added a great deal of depth. How unfortunate we'll likely never see it again.
@@gamerbeast3616 Imagine liking FES with that boring gameplay inside Tartarus. Makota misses attack Akihiko punches the guy Mitsuru uses Marin Karin Koromaru actually hits an instant kill. Enemy gets crit/weakness on Makoto, no more turn for you. Imagine not being allowed to strategize in a JRPG.
@@cracktae4421 "Frustrating" works, but so does boring considering you spend most of the game watching the computers do stuff with zero human interaction. Just gotta sit back and watch, not the most engaging experience.
I understand if you think FES gameplay is boring, but I don't think you should simplify it to stuff like "Mitsuru using Marin Karin" because if you use the tactics system like the game intends you to, stuff like that won't happen @@TheSuperNerdsShow
Yeah, I noticed that as well and thought it was disappointing. But I can see why they did that to cut on development time. They would have had to make whole new animations for each weapon type.
I can understand why it wouldn’t make much sense to have the mc to be proficient will all weapon types which is why I imagine they stuck with a sword but I kinda wish that you could join the archery or boxing clubs to learn how to use other weapon types, they could’ve even tied it in with social links
Ppl saying this was for balance when Mitsuru/Junpei/Koromaru use slash, and Yukari/Ken/Aigis have pierce. Only people with strike are Akihiko and Shinjiro (barely counts), meaning Akihiko's the only one on the strike team...
In P3 and fes you couldn't directly control the party members so I looked at this as the developers way of letting the player even the odds if they kept having bad AI rng in a fight.
tbf only the Axe and 2 hd swd is good in FES, and that's just because of the elemental weapons it had. The 1 hd swd is best for general usage, especially when trying to get golden shadows and whatnot. In the original, you only take a 2 hd swd called Apocalypse just for the +10 all stats effect (the only one that has that there). Otherwise, there's no reason to switch. Now we have variety within just the 1 hd swd, seeing how it can have different affinities and have pierce. Problem is though is they implemented the bad damage formula for weapons in Reload. So using weapons is honestly a bad idea apart from its effects. And 1 hd swd has the best ones. It's really a nonissue, the more you think about it.
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To be precise, they first removed it in P3P most like to prevent the need of making more animations for the female protagonist, but keeping her options on par with male one. Reload just stuck with it most like out of the same reason: less animations to make.
its not animation problem, but balance
they added team member control in p3p, so to balance this they decided to give player only one melee weapon variant
I mean, they would probably just copy the animations over. It was probably for balance like everyone else is saying.
Tbh, different weapon only give slight advantage, and that's only applied with bow. With bow, even if you miss, you won't fall like other weapon and bow ultimate weapon guaranteed 100% hit, so you'll never miss when using it (including Yukari). I can't see any advantage when using others weapon except bow. They could just remove bow and let the MC use other weapons, instead of remove it.
@@troev i dont know how to break this to you but this would not change the game. it would be unbalanced if you can switch weapons in battle. the point of the dungeon battle mechanic is to constantly strategize how to progress using as little sp and hp as possible, once in battle you are locked in a role you are responsible for securing it.
junpei uses fire and takes damage so you do not have to, yukari uses wind and heals so you do not have to. more weapons is just more responsibilities. even if you have all the magic, you will lose sp quicker, even if you have a bow, you are stuck till the end
they weren't balancing shit, they were just making it easier for them to finish
@@troevyou just made that up lol, and they game wouldn't be unbalanced if the mc could use any weapon
I think the in game lore for the mc to be able to use multiple weapons, along with his fusion spell abilities, was that death enhanced all of his abilities overall
Death only enhanced his abilities so he could utilize the wildcard power. Him being able to use other weapons is just him being naturally adept.
@@bluerosekoro8875IIRC from some dialogue in P2 EP, Personas in general can give people the ability to use weapons they previously couldn't.
@@walkingglasses6264you inherent all the mythological abilities of your persona, even down to weapon mastery and resistance to mebtal ailments like fear.
Is what Tatsuya basically said
I mean he helped sanada beat up an entire gang of thugs to which sanada himself mentioned that he didn't need to fight that hard
@@legacymeme8746 persona users are superhumans by default even without actively using the persona ability.
Think of how fast Joker's bruises healed and how fast he recovered from getting drugged. Shit was overnight
The upside is that MC could use Axes like Shinji. With Thor you could get Mjolnir as a weapon which gave you a 0sp Zionga as your melee attack
There is both light and dark short sword in reload
My end-game weapon in FES was a golden hammer that would crit almost every time, it was really awesome
Man, Mjolnir was my main weapon just cause I liked it. Sucks that I won't be able to use it again.
@@houyo I used it to beat nyx
@@elpsykoongro5379 Saaaaaaaaaaame homie
It was a cool idea for Makato to wield multiple weapons. Shame that didn’t carry on for Yu and Ren.
Honestly if I had to pick between any weapon or female mc I'd of rather of retaines female mc. Because then you could save shinji.
Yeah it was awesome
@@jaye4157Will yeah, if she was in the remake. But they wasn't going to do all that work for either
well ren could use guns too..
For games that didn’t feature multiple protagonists, they really could’ve done it!
Other cool facts about this is that the summon voice lines and victory pose would change depending on the weapon you were carrying. I remember one where the protag does a little hair flip when the battle ends lol
That would be the 2 handed sword, my go to on FES
@@DiamondMiner53 He also does the hair flip with the hammer/axes. My go to was the Corpse Rod.
Bow got the most active voice lines
"I wonder why they removed Makoto/Minato's ability to use all weapon types from FES!"
Me who only played P3P before Reload:
*Mass Destruction abruptly stops*
Same
iirc a few things were either touched up upon or outright removed in P3P, and even moreso in Reload. Though some of those things just attributed to the difficulty of FES so
Same 😂
His name is Makoto. Minato doesn't exist
@@eviltoad746 Sorry, I know it's what he's called in the movie, but I refuse to call him Makoto Yuki because we already have another Makoto in the same timeline.
I also call Joker Akira Kurusu instead of Ren Mama Mia
Boxing gloves having him use his right instead of left Akihiko(he’s a southpaw compared to protag) was a nice detail, same with his show off like kick.
0:34 i didn't know he's like that
They also removed mp3 Player inside Tartarus. In original Persona 3 after some time you could change music in your mp3.
That was one of the FES additional features.
You can still change BGMs but I don't think you have access to it inside Tartarus. I got the game on release so I got the p4g bgm pack
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The best part of this was that it gave axes a use later in the game. I remember running Mjolnir on MC endgame; it was really cool.
Honestly I remember portable feeling a bit unbalanced because if you wanted the full range of standard attacks, you couldn't make your protagonist the strike guy, you NEEDED Akihiko
@@TheSuperNerdsShow Except not really, because God's Hand outclassed Akihiko's options, especially after they nerfed Sabazios
@@TheSuperNerdsShowWhy would you even need to use a different weapon? at the end game you mostly use your persona skills anyways so it renders normal attacks almost mute.
It’s cool you can use any weapon but i like how each character is kinda defined by their weapon of choice and can easily be identified… except mitsuru… how does she not do pierce
Probably balance.
Three of your party members are already pierce
@@kemosonicfan123lbp Two. Ken and Yukari. Shinji and Aki are Strike, Mitsuru and Junpei are Slash, as is Koromaru
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 aegis is pierce...
@@kemosonicfan123lbp forgor 💀
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 how can you forgor toaster :(
I much as I'm adoring Reload, it kinda sucks how many things they just... got rid of.
Nothing game ruining by any means. The NEW additions and presentation make Reload worth it imo, but at the same time I miss the weapon options, being able to choose the Kendo or Swim teams, even the little things like Tartarus having a transition screen between blocks.
It didn't really have it
Who the fuck even uses the normal weapon attacks later in the game?
@@skywoofyt5375 Me.
Every time I hear fuuka’s old voice it sounds like a robot
Its oddly enjoyable
@@atlasreborn7221 in a weird way yes I agree
Someone made a mod-ish for P3P that allows the male MC to wield nearly any weapon type. It's not free of jank (unless it's been improved/remade for the 2023 Steam version). Maybe it's possible for an ambitious user to make a similar mod for Reload?
In addition, I believe I've read that the WIP FeMC mod for Reload will allow her to wield a similar type of weapon to what she wields in _Portable_ (IIRC). I wonder if it's possible to suggest an add-on that allows her to wield nearly all weapons as well...
The naginatas in the femc mod are currently just model swaps of the swords iirc, bringing back fes mechanics is kinda out of the scope of the mod
@@goshator Would it be possible to turn at least one of the 1HSword/Naginata weapons into a somewhat bludgeon-like weapon that deals Strike damage, and another one of them into a polearm-like weapon that does Pierce damage, even if they aren't wielded correctly? (If that workaround is possible, then could it be a separate mod that works for male MC as well?)
@@steam-powereddolphin5449 probably not, at least not at the moment. The mod currently only changes visual stuff like text and models, since a lot of things can't be changed with current tools including character animations. Game mechanics and weapon stats are most likely out of the question too
A bit off-topic, but this is also why it's painful to me to hear when people show that mod as proof that "it's that easy" to add femc into the game since "the modders are doing it for free". It'll take modders years before they'll even figure out how to change a lot of stuff, yet alone add social links and change entire story elements
@@goshator That's because modders lack the development tools and assets which the developers of the game had, so they have to work backwards to add those things in. Obviously modders have to figure out how the game functions when they don't have any of the tools or source materials available.
That being said, I can understand where some difficulty may come from as modders can reusing assets from previous games (as far as I hear), unlike Atlus who would have to redraw and rerecord everything from scratch and that would cost them money along with development time.
In spite of that, I do feel like P3R should have come out with P3P and FES content out the gate (rather than adding Answer as DLC), especially given the asking price for this game.
I mean to be fair, you couldn't control your party members in the original p3 and FES, so now with being able to control your party members, it makes sense to balance it out by limiting the mc to only 1 option
Though I will admit it would have been based, it makes sense for a bit of balancing reasons
@@josephcampos3047 Excuse me what? you can CONTROL THEM!?
@@user-zl1vf4me1pYes, you go into tactics option and choose Direct, which allows you to control your party members as if they were MC, just limited to their own Persona.
@@user-zl1vf4me1pI mean it's changed like that for all Persona games since the vanilla P4, so IDK where you've been all that long not knowing this.
It doesn’t make sense, it was just the cheaper option. Don’t give them credit like it was a big brained idea to not add in some of the best features of the old P3 games.
They gonna fix it in p3:reload golden royal canine final remix
Shin Megami Ibunroku Tensei: Persona 358/2 Days Chain of Golden Memories Union X HD Re:LOAD (ft. Dante from the Devil May Cry series) and KNUCKLES
Pancake
@@panaghuyngadimadunggan Yes but the special weapons are DLC only available on the deluxe edition for $180
Royal Canine lmao suddenly becomes cat food
you forgot of dancing night remix in the end xD
It would have been dope to add that in for reload. Like if the player wanted to use a specific weapon theh could go talk to a party member with said weapon to unlock it
Truuue
And add more things to do at night? Yes please!
While it is unfortunate that they left that mechanic out, engaging with Shadows in Reload isn't really that difficult to warrant an extra reach. I can only recall like... 2 times of my total play through where I was caught off guard by a shadow and I was playing on hard. And since you now fully control your party, it'd just feel like an unnecessary addition considering how much is already open to you.
I don't believe for a moment that it was left out because of "them being too lazy to make the animations" cause have you SEEN THE ANIMATIONS IN THIS GAME? Aigis's 2nd Theurgy alone puts every single Persona game previous to shame like goddamn. The animation team was definitely proud of what they accomplished. I'm sure they would have put the same amount of effort like they did for every other animation had they been called to it.
hell even the shift and victory animations look really damn good
while one can simply say just add it for aesthetics, its weird to put it there anyway as aesthetic while makoto cant use the weapons in battle so it contradicts the aesthetic itself
It wasn't removed cause laziness but rather for balance, in the original you couldn't control your party members so giving the MC access to slash/strike/pierce normal attacks made sense.
Now that in the remake you can control the entire party you have a fairly even spread of slash/pierce normals (Strike is kinda shafted in that regard having only Aki as a normal striker but that's made up for by having the strongest hitting specials in God's Hand and Akasha Arts) so you no longer need the mc to have multiple weapons.
Another thing they changed was that they took away the choice of what team to join in the chariot social link, before you had the choice between Running/Swimming/Kendo teams but they made it that the Canon team is the running one.
Making it the running team makes sense given the context of the Strength and star social links.
@@neroblack2704 Now, see, Portable also nerfed Sabazios. Funny thing is, Aki was technically the best Ice user in FES - give him Sabazios and the Varuna Bracers, and he outdamages Mitsuru
Kinda was disappointed with them not really doing to much creativity liberties with the remake. It’s a one 2 one remake, which means tartarus is still the worst dungeon in Persona series with a slight clean coat of paint…. Seriously hoping for some improvement there but nah. The only time Tartarus felt something was those extra difficulty bosses with the red epic filter that took 2 seconds to implement with unreal. Just really wished they at least MADE the final part of tartarus special or anything. You just go up floor to floor even on the final day… again, just disappointed with this remake. I already 100% and beat the game on the hardest difficulty on a single max social link run. I felt it needed more. :/ especially for 70 dollars and I wouldn’t recommend it at its current price if you played any of the other persona 3 adaptions.
I have a theory : makoto doesn’t use fists in reaload because just like doom slayer he finds killing enemies with his fists way to easy so he uses weapons for extra challenge
(SPOILERS)
The best part about wielding any weapon type in the game is that it makes Shinjiro’s axes still useable even after he leaves party. In Portable and Reload once he’s gone the axes are basically useless.
To add to this, in Portable, after he leaves the party, he gives you a skill card based on how far his skill progression was
I kinda prefer them being useless for narrative reasons imo it really makes you feel his absence even more after his death it really Does end up feeling like he wasn't just a extra party member meant to only be there temporarily it genuinely feels like your missing an entire party member for the rest of the game that should be there
@@middlethenerd : but for same reason, i prefer shinjiro's weapons to still be usable by MC : so the MC may perhaps pay homage to Shinjiro by using his weapons, to remember him by, to feel that Shinjiro's still with the team in spirit.
the option should not be removed.
@gendoruwo6322 I mean I always thought it was kinda weird that FES was the only game in the series that allowed you to use all weapons (it wasn't in the og P3 either) so I get it being removed for consistency and balance reasons
@@middlethenerd The fact that it was removed in Portable is more weird honestly. Makoto uses the same sword as Mitsuru and Kotone uses the same spear as Ken. They’re already using weapons utilised by another party member, so why not let them use the other party members’ weapons?
(The most likely answer for this is that they didn’t want to make more animations for Kotone and they wanted the two main characters to be equal, which is why they removed the ability for Makoto to wield any weapon. Still don’t get why it couldn’t have been brought back for Reload though.)
I also get the angle of it adding to Shinjiro’s death by making his entire weapon line inaccessible, but being able to use the axes (and most other weapon types) also makes sense narrative-wise for Makoto’s wild card abilities.
Makoto Yuki had hands, atlus just never let him punch enough people.
Always used short swords even tho I had all those others options. It's one of those features that It's neat to have but you can easily balance something out of it and not miss a lot
Using a bow would also make him speak more in battle.
“Come forth!”
“Persona!”
When I first played P3 my main weapon was the axes/ hammers. I had to continue Shinji's legacy lol
Well, in all honesty what is not such a huge loss, only weapon what had an actual use was gloves anyway(due to normal Attack blunt dmg), saying it as i did a run with every single weapon type
P3:FES Makoto was a beast...
TBF, the ambush tactics render this negligible. it's even more broken than P5 ambush.
It’s not very often a rpg lets the protagonist literal throw hands against enemies. It’s usually allies while your character wields a sword. It’s a shame the reboot didn’t bother to keep these other weapon options. Variety is always nice even if they’re not optimal and great if they are.
100% agree with you bro. I hate P3Reload fanatics coping how it was because they had to balance the gameplay thats why they removed it lmao
I think they should have kept that. This was one of the many things that made Persona 3 special for me. I always thought that since the protagonist could wield any Persona, he could also wield any weapon. That gave us the sensation that our character was truly customizable.
For real bro, there was solid autonomy and free will to choose what weapon style you preferred and experiment with. Checks out a lot with being the fool arcana who is basically a joker/jack of all trades
Really shows the how versatile the character is, both narratively and game wise.
frfr bro p3fes had this experimental yet sensible concepts that made its unique charm. p3reload watered it down and it became more lazy, generic, normie pleasing, playing it safe
There will never be a definitive release of Persona 3.
How much you want to bet it's cut content that'll be sold back as DLC?
Also depending on the weapon type mc had different sounds when using personas, with bows almost every time he shouts PERSONA, and with axes he just grunts
Is a shame. I really liked to use all weapons, plus. I also miss being able to pick which clubs. I loved the kendo team and the photography club, but in reload you can only be on the track team and art club. I would have at least asked them to keep the option to have the final scene with a girl from the team you had romence, as it was on P3P.
The only real downside is that Akihiko ends up the only character with basic strike attacks.
I believe it was like that in the original, and Fes was the update. Perhaps in the future the fans should be more careful about versions being remastered and not just the game.
The original also let's you use multiple weapons. Fes mostly added a few scenes and changed some activities.
P3P was the only version before reload that limited weapon choices.
The boxing glove beatdown is just too fire
Also Makoto had different lines for summoning a persona (2 lines per weapon type, one for regular summoning, one for hitting weaknesses and critical)
I know the video just wanted a short breakdown of the various weapon types so here is a bit more about each type:
_ 1h sword : average reach and average winding up time in exploration mode
_ 2h sword : longer reach and slower winding up time in exploration mode
_ Spear : the same as 2h sword but has pierce attack type
_ Hammer/rod : unsure It is either 2h sword of the strike attack type or 1h sword
_ Bow : longest reach and slowest winding up time
_ Boxing fists : shortest reach but also fastest winding up time.
I was also disappointed, mostly because that was the only reason to not trow Shinji's weapons, in my opinion the most powerful in the game, now once Shinji's passed away I cannot use it in the MC and had to sell all of it. :(
As someone who"s only been able to play P3P, the ending fight poses are actually so cute. So sad they had to remove it due to most likely budget back then, though having him get more things would've been sick asf
I would give up if I were you, Atlus is never going back to the mindset they were when they cooked FES.
A lot of it would require going back on perceived "quality of life" so they fear fans would dislike it.
Forget that, bring back Akihiko’s old moveset lol
I’m still salty. I know the game is easy as hell esp towards the end but they did such a disservice. The sword thing isn’t even that big a deal compared to the fact they removed DJ Fuuka. I’m pretty salty about the cut content lol
I remember how I like to use different types of weapons on Minato as it was fun seeing the animation.
Would be cool as dlc. Pretty sure we're getting The Answer as dlc but i hope we get another story dlc after that. Maybe we can finally find out what Elizabeth has been doing since the March 5th
Yeah, sure. Keep dreaming about that...
What if there's at least a better hint about what Elizabeth does since then, within The Answer...?
We Know what Liz does after the evetns of p3. Margaret talks about it when you beat her ion p4g. She mentions, loosely and somewhat ambiguously, that liz is searching, with aigis for a way to save door kun
@@zacharyperea3624 Yeah, but she's not reviving him. She's saving his soul so It can go to the afterlife. His body is just a pile of bones by now...
@@zacharyperea3624 P4AU does better, revealing Liz defeats Erebus every year.
It would've been cool if other party members would be able to teach you how to use other weapons (at least Akihiko, he literally offers to teach you to fight with your hands)
Thing is it would have made sense for Makoto to be able to use the gloves in reload. There are many instances where Makoto was ready to throw down bare handed and the times he does he always comes out on top.
I feel like the protagonist in Persona 3 Reload is severely less vocal. Even more so than Joker form P5.
Here I can here every attack he does. When I was playing P3R I almost forgot he wasnt a mute when I heard him whisper something 15 hours into my run.
Downgrade. There's no way to put it.
Baton pass and all out attack new animations to remark the characters personalities and make them feel unique, theurgies to make them look useful and, again, remark their personality (and in the case of Junpei add a cherry on top of his Chidori arc) and most ctuscenes being remake from low quality anime to 3D.
But yes, it is a downgrade because they didnt add the most useless and unnecessary feature. Seriously, it was in one game, how is it a downgrade only here and with all the upgrades the game added.
@@su_patatita_1951 nah bro def a downgrade, autonomy and free will in any weapon choice adds a lot of personal fun and variety. p3reload is for normies, its basically persona 5 blue with that baton pass lmao
Shame they got rid of this in portable and reload because you could still have access to Shinjis endgame weapons after he's gone and that had humongous attack stats
Thats like making a smt 4 remake where the main character can only use swords and nothing more
dont forget that if you just used the sword you will never hear the mc say "persona" when summoning. youd have to use i think the long sword, bow, or boxing gloves
i feel that they should have had a option that we could enable for if we wanted to control our party or not
tactics was super fun and like gamble x prediction style of gameplay by knowing your teammates habits, now p3reload lets you ccontrol all players but it doesnt hit the same. normies think they're getting more gameplay but its so predictable and overly calculated. P3fes lets you realize you really are just a player along with your teammates, not some omnipresent god who can calculate everyting. P3fes you had to adjust and make the most out of it and create good coordination and teamwork
@@XxMetalGekoxX exactly
Well the practical reason for why they removed it probably stems from not making more animations for Kotone, which then led to them canonising Makoto as a one-handed sword user, as seen in the spin-offs and movies. Besides, I think it's cool for each MC to have their own iconic weapon type. I wonder what 6'll use?
Would be cool if it was Sho Minazuki with his duals.
@@amarant1275 Probably not.
Firstly, Sho is already an established character, and modern Persona protagonists tend to be blank slates.
Secondly, Sho's pretty deep into the P4 lore. People who haven't played the games would be really confused by who this guy is and why he's already connected to the Shadow Ops and IT.
Lastly, dual weapons for a protagonist was already done with Joker's dual knives. While they MIGHT add more weapon types, dual swords feels a bit farfetched. I personally think a gauntlet user or axe user like Aki or Shinji would be cool.
@@bryannaing6316 No if they only drop some hints in the game to make people wonder what they´re talking about and create interest for the previous games. I would do that as a company. Plus the green color is his color too so there´s a posibility.
@@amarant1275 Even then, I think the general appeal of Persona is having a blank slate protagonist, so you don't have to play the prior games to understand what's going on.
Also, Sho wore green, but his general colour was red. Red hair, red eyes when using Minazuki, etc. His clothes can easily change, but his body can't.
FES really allows Makoto to play as either Green Arrow, a Spartan, or Kiryu
I'm really sad this didn't make it into the game 'cause it was one of my favorite features of FES.
i heard Sega was in charge of the time limit which is why so much stuff got cut
power scalers would go crazy at the thought of makoto being even more of a jack-of-all-trades
I think its because this time you actually have control of your party members and are not relying on different weapon types to adjust for weaknesses.
You could do that in FES just as well if you used tactics properly
Makoto with gloves beats Shadows like John Nocturne
If I remember right, Mitsuru also had just one handed swords instead if rapiers specifically?
Yeah the Rapier thing is basically just backwards canonizing Arena where her main weapon is a Rapier.
@@axis1247 Portable introduced the rapiers for Mitsuru though. That came out three years BEFORE Arena. Reload is just replicating how weapons worked in Portable. So you got it reversed, Arena was just reflecting this implementation of Mitsuru not the other way around.
Cool I had no idea you could do that in FES. But I mean I can see why it was removed. Make every party member less unique
"your sword is gone hahahah, what're gonna do now, human?"
"nah, I finna throw hands, and whoop yo shadow ass."
The spear: longer reach
The bow: safe distance
Boxing Gloves: I'm punching that Shadow whatever it takes.
The world can be full of might and magic, but fisticuffs with that magical enemy will always occur.
Even the voice acting is completely different, Fuuka’s old VA reminds me of the fairy creature from SA1
My favourite was the spear. High attack power and distance strikes were insurance against ambush and added some distance to secure your own ambushes.
Oh, that sucks..man 😢 sometimes i found a really cool weapon i wanted to give to him. Or one that's almost as good as another one. So i will just sell it when i play this one 🤷🏾♀️
Even if there wasn’t any custom thing it would be nice to change the physical attack type of your basic attack
Because early mid to late game, we mainly use Persona and rarely use normal attacks. So they reduce animations. P4 and P5 protagonists only use one type of weapon.
that's because Reload is primarily a Persona 3 remake, not a Persona 3 FES remake. several other features were also removed, like being able to join the Kendo or Swim team.
I'm not too sure about that, as there are several mechanics and events in P3R that are only present in the games after og p3
Why are so many people thinking that the og didn't let you swap weapons? And to the other things. The other things like club choices where in the OG persona 3 aswell.
Technically this isn't even something they cut. Because you would have to remake all animations they didn't include it.
Tbh it was clear that they wouldn't include weapon switching, in debth AI-Tactics, FeMC or The Answer at launch. The biggest issue is cost vs. use.
How many people are actually interested enough to dive into a game to even find out they can switch weapons or choose different clubs? Not that many. Similar to how ultimately only a minority of people cares about FeMC and/or in depth AI Tactics (which were gutted and only included since p4 and never became a valid alternative for direct command like they would have been if the tactics are more varied like in p3 or fes).
And the Answer is much better sold as a seperate DLC because people will eat that shit up.
i think you mean its not a remaster that stays true to its roots. p3reload lost that unique charm and became persona 5 blue
Alternate weapons felt like a balancing change, because for the first two blocks of the game you couldn't exactly command your party members to target physical weaknesses. The best way to approach the first Tartarus midboss is to bring in a bow for MC and use that instead of relying on Yukari, whom will attack the same enemy twice and just bring them back up.
They robbed us of Boxing Makoto
The “definitive version” of p3 ladies and gentlemen
Reload was so piss easy adding all weapons to the protagonist would have made it the easiest megaten game of all time
I miss the MC being able to go full Chuck Norris round house on a shadow
Iirc fes had removed weapons from vanilla it seems but I was unaware mc still had some of them. As originally mc could use every weapon other than aegis because obviously that'd be physically impossible and I think doggos. He could use Yukari alihiko mitsuru Ken and Shinjiros (junpei and mc already shared 2h swords)
It was the best thing they ever made. As we all know, the game only have akihiko & shinjiro as a strike damage while the slash are 4 person and pierce are 3. But when shinjiro died, I had to pick akihiko in the party throughout the gameplay. I hate to fusion a persona because we all know how long it took to get exactly the skills we want even the skill card ain't helping much as we have to fuse a persona and level it up and if you remember to register it to the conpendium or you go to the shrine and give it away but have to wait 4-5 days I guess then you can have the duplicate of it like AAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!
I dont really mind since it gives the characters more unique vibe, when each character have their own iconic weapon type. But i guess some might think of it negatively.
They also technically simplified the tactics menu; however, the action that party members make when controlled by AI is ridiculously good being very dynamic. The only downside is that Shift and Theurgy cannot be done for party members without using Direct Control.
I find Tactics useful for grinding or extremely niche situations where you want to do something like have Yukari on healing duty or you want party members to do specific things and don't want to waste time in the menu.
They use Theurgy on bosses or when there are limited options which I think is good.
The AI doesn't know how close you are to a boss fight, it prefers to save a super strong attack for when its needed rather than using it when you're 2 steps away from the big hard fight for no reason
I still wish they had more tactics like FES but I am happy with the AI in Reload
Yeah that's the thing, though. Of course they didn't include that, because that was from P3 FES. They just included all the content from the original P3. Except for Chidori's resurrection, which was introduced in FES. I guess Atlus just couldn't bear to keep Chidori dead after such a heartwarming, dramatic cutscene. Plus, it's canon tha Chidori was alive, since Junpei often speaks of her in P4 Arena, and wears a necklace gifted from her.
Really a shame they left it out, I never really liked FES, more of a Portable fan, but the one feature I missed in Portable and now Reload was weapon choice. Weapon choice just gave a little bit of expression to YOUR protagonist, made him feel unique, and also let you imagine that he was learning from and with his teammates. It was a little thing that I feel added a great deal of depth. How unfortunate we'll likely never see it again.
imagine liking portable with that boring gameplay outside tartarus
@@gamerbeast3616 Imagine liking FES with that boring gameplay inside Tartarus.
Makota misses attack
Akihiko punches the guy
Mitsuru uses Marin Karin
Koromaru actually hits an instant kill.
Enemy gets crit/weakness on Makoto, no more turn for you.
Imagine not being allowed to strategize in a JRPG.
@@TheSuperNerdsShowa "boring gameplay" isnt really a good word is more like frustating one
@@cracktae4421 "Frustrating" works, but so does boring considering you spend most of the game watching the computers do stuff with zero human interaction. Just gotta sit back and watch, not the most engaging experience.
I understand if you think FES gameplay is boring, but I don't think you should simplify it to stuff like "Mitsuru using Marin Karin" because if you use the tactics system like the game intends you to, stuff like that won't happen @@TheSuperNerdsShow
Really hate they kept this out of this game. I HATED using the rapier 😭😭😭 boxing gloves were my go to
Bruh I can’t use World Boxing Champ Makoto that sucks I’ll still play tho
Yeah, I noticed that as well and thought it was disappointing. But I can see why they did that to cut on development time. They would have had to make whole new animations for each weapon type.
man they could make the whole aaa game but not a few animations and combat balancing. i'd call it lazy
I can understand why it wouldn’t make much sense to have the mc to be proficient will all weapon types which is why I imagine they stuck with a sword but I kinda wish that you could join the archery or boxing clubs to learn how to use other weapon types, they could’ve even tied it in with social links
This would be cool.
I'd like this more than P5 giving every social link a ton of minor unlocks
It makes the game easier to know what weapons everyone can use
This is one of my biggest hopes for Persona 6. Would love for MC to be able to use multiple weapon types again
I forgot that actually exist because it allows players to have the advantage over enemies
so this is what makoto did to the thugs when saving yukari, my man going goku on em
Considering the quality of life improvements we get with Reload, this is a fair trade.
They alao changed Mitsuru's weapon category to rapiers. She originally equipped short swords too, but used them like a fencer anyway.
The bow with high counter in the fight of Elizabeth was broken
Idk, I kinda like that each character has their corresponding weapon type
Ppl saying this was for balance when Mitsuru/Junpei/Koromaru use slash, and Yukari/Ken/Aigis have pierce. Only people with strike are Akihiko and Shinjiro (barely counts), meaning Akihiko's the only one on the strike team...
Sure but Junpei and Aigis have strike skills
Akihiko: "I Taught him that one"
And the axe give you so much crit
In P3 and fes you couldn't directly control the party members so I looked at this as the developers way of letting the player even the odds if they kept having bad AI rng in a fight.
tbf only the Axe and 2 hd swd is good in FES, and that's just because of the elemental weapons it had. The 1 hd swd is best for general usage, especially when trying to get golden shadows and whatnot. In the original, you only take a 2 hd swd called Apocalypse just for the +10 all stats effect (the only one that has that there). Otherwise, there's no reason to switch. Now we have variety within just the 1 hd swd, seeing how it can have different affinities and have pierce. Problem is though is they implemented the bad damage formula for weapons in Reload. So using weapons is honestly a bad idea apart from its effects. And 1 hd swd has the best ones.
It's really a nonissue, the more you think about it.
Make this DLC, ATLUS!