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  • Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
  • Bow Drill Magic… or is it? Our beloved experts often make it seem as if they’re pulling off the impossible! They find materials fresh from nature, seemingly never before seen… But let’s be real, they’ve likely scouted these materials in advance. They’re aware of their location, dryness, the presence of dead standing, tinder, cordage material, and rocks for cutting tools. They’re in tune with the state of decay, the time since the last rainfall, and the day’s humidity. Is it fair to give the impression that one can simply stroll into any UNKNOWN forest, locate the perfect tools and materials, and effortlessly create a friction fire? In this video, I delve into the importance of transparency. Imagine how disheartening it can be for a novice when friction fire is portrayed as far simpler than it truly is. Don’t forget to SUBSCRIBE at the end of the video. Thank you! YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE THESE VIDEOS:
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  • @michaelkarloff8117
    @michaelkarloff8117 Год назад +16

    You are so honest about the technique. I'd like to know where in the woods you found the bearing you used in your left hand.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  Год назад +16

      That's exactly what I'm talking about! Would you have known about the metal bearing in my bearing block if I had edited out all those scenes? Would you have known if I sprayed the tip of the spindle and bearing block divot with WD-40? How would you know if I predried the materials then placed them back in the spot where I "discovered" them on camera? Many "experts" are deceiving us in a dozen different ways.

    • @mikeyeska7056
      @mikeyeska7056 Год назад +5

      I like your channel but I disagree. A big part of the journey is to start easy and make it harder on yourself as you get better. Learn to identify trees and which ones work and don’t work. Which ones you can cut green in the morning and dry in the sun by night. Learn where to find dry wood and tinder after rain. I have made 1000’s of friction fires in all conditions. The only way to really learn is by doing it yourself.

  • @billcrockett695
    @billcrockett695 6 лет назад +42

    You are very correct. That's one of the many reasons I tell my students not to get a false sense of security from survival t.v. shows. Another thing that gets neglected is the sheer amount of time it can take to gather all the items for you fire kit and tinder bundle (especially if you are in a strange environment). Then you have to make the kit on top of that. I like your honesty. Thank you.

  • @Metal2Bach
    @Metal2Bach 6 лет назад +1

    Good video, good skills and great point. I've seen firsthand the dangerous, hands-off mindset that "experts" create in people when those people sit at home and watch "survival shows" on TV, but never actually practice the skills or try it themselves.
    I was practicing hand drill the other day when my in-laws came by and started watching me. After I had tweaked my hearthboard and spindle for several minutes, produced a coal, and blew it into a flame using prepared cattail down and dry grasses/branches around me, my mother-in-law said something that made me both laugh to myself and shake my head at her mindset. Without asking anything about what materials I used, how to practice, what is good vs. bad technique, etc, she said "thanks for showing us! Now we know how, in case we ever have to make a fire like that."
    It totally took my off-guard how confident she was that she was fully capable of producing a flame using fire by friction in a less-than-ideal survival situation, even though she's never even tried it. I just thought it was funny that I was out there sweating and practicing to do it and still struggling sometimes, and she figured she could just knock it out on her first try. :D Hopefully she'll never have to.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  6 лет назад

      People make the exact same comments here. I don't even bother to burst their bubble.

  • @peteweimer2546
    @peteweimer2546 7 лет назад +1

    Thank you Mr. West for the great video of interest and information. I have never experienced the Bow Drill activity but I think I will give it a try or two, three or whatever it takes. I am a retired carpenter and know if you don't try you never will know-

  • @collinsfriend1
    @collinsfriend1 5 лет назад +1

    glad you're doing a reality check. I think most youtube instructors are not thinking so much about people getting false ideas about how "easy" it is to start a fire...but rather just showing how. I agree a serious problem with that is many many people take it literally. It doesn't occur to them, even when TOLD that they need to practice a LOT, much more than they may want or have time for. Some people, probably more urban aren't used to any kind of fire, including woodstove heating and don't realize the importance of dry and fine tinder etc and the perfect conditions used for a demonstration vs the reality of needing a survival fire under adverse conditions. Thanks for bringing it up and hopefully people won't be so likely to go unprepared thinking they can just whip up a fire because they remember how "the guy" did it. When I was in a hospital a while back, I watched that show "Naked and Afraid" for the first time. A repeating theme was failure to make a fire after several days. Green and wet wood, inexperience. They had 6 weeks of "study" and apparently didn't study the corresponding fire methods for the area they were placed in..... imagine if there was no TV crew to rescue them.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  5 лет назад

      Survival Shows... Don't get me started... I guess I shouldn't say anything because I only practice off a table in my backyard under ideal conditions but... How can a contestant that is a survival instructor only know hand drill but not bow drill? The first thing he does is severely blister his hands with the Hand Drill and need to bow drill? How are so many people FINALLY getting fire but not using that as an opportunity to dry out and keep dried out tinder, char, ashed tinder, etc. for when the rains come and put their fires out? I watched a behind the scenes clip of the Show's survival guy showing the contestants how to bow drill. The lady didn't even have her wrist anchored to her shin, it was stuck out about 10", unsupported, YET, he was encouraging her to "keep bowing you almost have it." With all the great ferro rod tutorials on RUclips, why do contestants so consistently struggle with the technique?... I don't understand.

  • @lamarw7757
    @lamarw7757 8 месяцев назад +1

    What kind of tree do those ball bearings come from?

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  8 месяцев назад +2

      You saw that bearing because I let you see it. Dishonest fire makers hide this cheat and a dozen others to make you think they’re more skilled than they are.

  • @toddstewart4404
    @toddstewart4404 6 месяцев назад

    After much trial and error, here are some things that I have learnt about finally making a bow drill fire.
    1) the handle should be slightly bent and the string slack enough to wrap around the spindle at least once
    2) the spindle width should be no bigger than your thumb and ideally a roughly textured cylinder shape for the string to grip onto
    3) the spindle length should be at least about 8 inches long
    4) slightly thinner cordage than paracord seems to work better than paracord. Paracord falls apart after repeated use.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  6 месяцев назад

      I like a stiff no bend bow and paracord. I hope you’ll check out my bow drill playlist.

    • @toddstewart4404
      @toddstewart4404 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@DavidWestBgood2ppl You make it look so easy! :)

  • @TheRevoltingMan
    @TheRevoltingMan 6 лет назад

    Great video! Thank you.

  • @frankjames1955
    @frankjames1955 6 лет назад

    Next challenge...how to start a fire in the rain

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  6 лет назад

      Too hard. I'm not a survival channel. I practice fire techniques as a hobby. What real survivalists do, is 10 times harder than what I do.

    • @frankjames1955
      @frankjames1955 6 лет назад

      well it seems to me i learnt something here on your video i hadn't heard yet on survival channels.. ..what a journey ! : )

  • @aphasia101
    @aphasia101 7 лет назад +55

    I've taught the bow drill I tell my students that in real life carry a lighter because in the wild friction fire is never a sure thing no matter how good you are.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  7 лет назад +26

      i EDC a wallet fresnel lens, keychain ferro rod, and BIC. Friction fire's completely unreliable.

    • @paulwilson5600
      @paulwilson5600 4 года назад +4

      I'm glad u said that, i learned the bow drill about a month ago and have had success w different woods I carved out in the wild, cedar, poplar, sycamore, maple, sourwood etc. And 80% of the time id have success, not always on the first try however, the first time I had success w poplar, I spent almost a hr bf I finally got a ember, other times I got it the first try no problem but I usually have much more success if I let the set I just carved dry out a few days even though its from a standing dead piece

    • @paulwilson5600
      @paulwilson5600 4 года назад +5

      Ive watched a lot of these videos and ive been disappointed in myself bc I dont always have success when carving out a set from scratch and trying it right than. And in these videos its like they just go out into the woods, pick the perfect woods and get it the first try every time. I realize now that's just not realistic

    • @StarDarkAshes
      @StarDarkAshes 2 года назад +3

      I always think that I’d like to kind of make a funny comment whenever I see people with their big fire kits. They’ll have a kit with a flint and steel, as well as a ferro rod along with a lighter and two or three other ways to get a fire going such as a magnifying glass or even glycerin and potassium permanganate. And when you think of the sheer volume of stuff and how much you can fit in a pouch or kit I often think it might just be better to have 15 or 20 Bic lighters. I bet you could light more fires with 20 lighters and then you never have to worry about the primitive stuff. It’s kind of fun to put a kit together with all kinds of ways to make fire anyway so I’m not knocking it but you could get thousands of fires going and possibly even more with lighters than you would with primitive means.

    • @donbarfield7713
      @donbarfield7713 24 дня назад

      That's gospel for sure!

  • @billywills4391
    @billywills4391 3 года назад +21

    It's very educational, even eye-opening, to see the difficulty actually involved in some bushcraft skills.
    Thanks for being real and genuine!
    The value of this video and especially your perspective is huge!

  • @oldschoolwithamoderntwist6074
    @oldschoolwithamoderntwist6074 7 лет назад +47

    ,,, thank you David ,,i like a person that will tell the truth, its not as easy as we are lead to believe,, thanks for sharing the truth,

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  7 лет назад +3

      Thanks James.

    • @davidrratelljr6978
      @davidrratelljr6978 5 лет назад +4

      Hello David I did make a bow drill set up all was very dry 2 hours to get an ember as I got one cool thing is I tried again twenty minutes went by an ember! Thanks for your help.

    • @paulwilson5600
      @paulwilson5600 4 года назад

      I agree, sometimes it is, other times you'll wear your arm out trying to get it and have no success. Usually I keep trying till I get it though

    • @johannlangner289
      @johannlangner289 3 года назад

      I agree, Thank you David! .... Now I'm gonna try it too and tonight, hopefully we eating a cooked meal, for the first time ever, lol

  • @billburket4842
    @billburket4842 6 лет назад +17

    “I could have stopped at 40 but I thought I’d go to 80 strokes…just to make sure.” That’s what I have been doing wrong!

  • @Auraborialus
    @Auraborialus 4 года назад +7

    in ancient times people would have an EDC, an everyday carry. inluding fire starter. if you had bow drill kit you would carry it with you or flint along with material for catching fire.

  • @chrisegnoto
    @chrisegnoto 6 лет назад +9

    I agree, David. When I teach this stuff, I always tell my students that it took me a long time to get it right and I would get so upset with myself and feel so defeated but I never gave up. In fact, I started a journal and I used it to better my skills. I have seen special forces soldiers get so angry with it and that actually made me feel better - lol. They are elite at what they do, so it was nice to know I had struggled along with them, too - lol. Good video!

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  6 лет назад +2

      It discourages a lot of beginners, many just quit trying, because so many experts make it look like you should be able to just walk through any woods, gather all the natural materials, and make fire. Most of these experts are deceiving people because THEY NEVER ADMIT TO, what they've secretly done to overcome moisture... as I talk about in the description.

  • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
    @DavidWestBgood2ppl  5 лет назад +13

    Hand Drill, Bow Drill... It's dishonest for some of our favorite experts to let us think that they are JUST THAT GOOD! That they are really finding "on the spot"/ "freshly found materials "/ "straight from nature" that they've never seen before... No, I think they already know where all the materials that they're going to use are at and how dry they are...They know where all the dead standing is located, and where all the tinder, cordage material, and rocks that they're going to use are at beforehand. They also know their state of decay, how long it's been since it has rained, and how favorable the humidity is supposed to be that particular day.
    Is it right to make people think you can just walk out into any woods in any weather conditions and be able to just whip up a friction fire?
    In today's video, I explain how forthcoming we all should be. Think of how discouraging it must be for a beginner!
    Please SUBSCRIBE at the end of the video. Thanks!
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    • @TheGrayManOG
      @TheGrayManOG 5 лет назад

      That's about as honest as it gets. I have never started a fire from the hand drill on the first try. It takes me awhile sometimes and other times conditions make it impossible. Great video on it.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  5 лет назад +1

      @@TheGrayManOG Seems like some years I have great materials and great humidity levels... other years? not so much.

    • @leoricardo5743
      @leoricardo5743 3 года назад

      Aborignal people in Britain used to take their climatis vine boards around with them. Ray Mears suggested doing the same. A few of these boards have been found with dozens of holes. They were used in the kit for years as they moved around!

  • @Hotsauce-cj7kj
    @Hotsauce-cj7kj Год назад +3

    EVERY ONE of my favorite RUclips survivalists exuded tremendous difficulty in pretty much all fires they created. NONE of them made it look easy.

  • @kaylamarie8309
    @kaylamarie8309 4 года назад +5

    I love your honesty..you are without a doubt the fire whisperer. I have never heard of privot wood but I'm going to find out a little more about it now.

  • @ClayTallStories
    @ClayTallStories Год назад +1

    I don't think any of my favorite survivalist RUclipsrs that I follow have made it look easy? I have always struggled to make fire on my primitive challenges and have shown my own shortcomings. That's part of the challenge. These are great videos David. Please keep them coming.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  Год назад

      I agree. I guess I was talking about 10 years ago when people would go into the woods with nothing find and use chert for blades, natural fibers for cordage and bird's nests, etc. They always allowed us to think they were in unfamiliar woods and were just happening to run up on everything they needed to make bow drill kit and fire. Hard to explain without writing a few paragraphs.

  • @backwoodstrails
    @backwoodstrails 7 лет назад +30

    Another school of thought - When I teach friction fire, I use the easiest materials for my students for two reasons - First, I want them to perfect their technique (body position and such), Second, I want them to be successful as I feel they will be more encouraged to go forward with more challenging woods/ conditions if they know they can actually do it. I am very clear that most conditions will be more challenging than the beginning combination of wood they are starting with. I supply then with more difficult sets as they progress. I have seen people that get so discouraged, using a tough set at first, and not getting an ember that they have no desire to go on. --- I have not tried your "drying cycle" technique but am now encouraged to give it a try. Great videos - Thanks for making them!

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  7 лет назад +5

      backwoodstrails You'te very kind. Drying cycles are repeated burn ins till you get black dust. Thank You.

  • @tonycooper3003
    @tonycooper3003 6 лет назад +9

    same tecnique as Ray Mears hes honest about it also

    • @rewfisher1
      @rewfisher1 5 лет назад +2

      I learned from Ray some 29 years ago.
      Can still get out there and do it. Both parts dead sycamore wood.

  • @1lifeonearth
    @1lifeonearth 3 года назад +1

    im curious, if you were stranded on a desert island, which method would you go with, whats the overall easiest. spindle, bow, plow, or fire thong?

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  3 года назад +1

      The easiest friction fire is fire roll, then bamboo fire saw, then bow drill, then hand drill.

    • @1lifeonearth
      @1lifeonearth 3 года назад +1

      @@DavidWestBgood2ppl awesome okay I'll look into those, I never heard of fire roll!

  • @mindfulicious
    @mindfulicious 2 года назад +4

    Thanks for your honesty and helping us new to all of this!

  • @markcolby2927
    @markcolby2927 4 года назад +3

    You made me laugh so hard I almost peed my pants. You said everything I was thinking but much nicer. The other thing is they always have such nice tools with them. Let some one drop them off in an area they don't know with nothing but the clothes on their back and survive . That might impress me.

  • @ianbarlowuk
    @ianbarlowuk 4 месяца назад +1

    Hi Ian here from UK,,, with your help I have created fire via bow drill and fire roll ,,, first success was June 2022 with Ivy wood ,,, its great to know i could do this in the wild if i ever needed to 👍 I've subbed btw 👍

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  4 месяца назад +1

      I know how you feel. I remember well my first success 10 years ago. Thanks for the Sub!

    • @ianbarlowuk
      @ianbarlowuk 4 месяца назад +1

      Thanks so very much for taking the time to reply !!! This is the link to my fire roll 1st of 2024 😀👍 ruclips.net/video/6vi41HOzJQ8/видео.html

  • @idahomountainelk
    @idahomountainelk 7 лет назад +7

    I agree. I made my first bow drill fire with old cedar fence posts in the backyard. Making one in the woods was a lot harder. It was tough to fine a straight piece for the drill. The wind has also caused me grief, blowing my ember across the patio and forest floor. I still want to experiment with different combos of woods like sage, aspen and cottonwood.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  7 лет назад +1

      I love to practice. Thanks!

    • @donbarfield7713
      @donbarfield7713 24 дня назад

      The important thing is that you are getting outside and actually trying to do it for yourself and experiencing the feel and understanding there are some complexities that we all have to fine tune for ourselves. Keep it going

  • @donbarfield7713
    @donbarfield7713 24 дня назад

    Not many bushcrafters tell the exact facts and truth on how to do specific skills and what wood is actually better or preferred to others ; example is hard or soft woods for friction/ bow drills. Which type is preferred and easier, faster to get results
    Thank you

  • @andrewsandlin34
    @andrewsandlin34 5 лет назад +1

    magnifying glass is way easier

    • @Jrainbow03
      @Jrainbow03 5 лет назад +1

      Except when it's a cloudy day....

  • @outofeden_bushcraft3142
    @outofeden_bushcraft3142 6 лет назад +5

    Agree 110% . Its not easy . I make sets to dry and carry them with me (as indigenous people did) for that reason . There's a reason your sets are already made at some of these survival schools. Thank you for your honesty sir. That's why I don't subscribe to most of these "big" channels. They're only promoting themselves and the free products that they get.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  6 лет назад

      I don't understand why that offends so many people. As you stated primitive people had favorite species. If it didn't produce for on the spot friction fire, you know they dried it out and then kept it that way for future use.

    • @outofeden_bushcraft3142
      @outofeden_bushcraft3142 6 лет назад

      David West Exactly ! BTW : Great job explaining and demonstrating .

  • @NatesOutdoors
    @NatesOutdoors 7 лет назад +3

    Awesome man,ur right u don't know how many times I was quite discouraged over the hand drill,I watch videos where ppl could get an ember in like a few seconds so that's what I expected,until I watched ur videos,they helped me a lot now all I do is experiment with different types cause I know what to expect,if it wasn't for the help of u and Lonnie I would have given up,thanks again and ur awesome

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  7 лет назад +4

      Nathanial's Adventures Me too... I would have given up without ever making a single ember but Gundog5 saw my fails video, encouraged me to continue, and ended up mentoring me for years.

  • @TnMtnRdr
    @TnMtnRdr 5 лет назад +2

    Like most any skill, it takes some time to master it. And so if success doesn't come just keep at it. Those who get experienced can make it look easy without half trying.

  • @allenwatkins4972
    @allenwatkins4972 Год назад

    I'll have to say it's pretty obvious that these have materials have been previously scouted. But the videos would be pretty long if they showed all the searching, then sorting out, then preparing the material, then actually making the fire.

  • @williamnelson4066
    @williamnelson4066 4 года назад +2

    Btw I loved your down to earth approach and the good vid you made

  • @isaacgamez7101
    @isaacgamez7101 4 года назад +2

    Thank for you hard work making these videos have learnt a lot from watching them

  • @markrambke1493
    @markrambke1493 11 месяцев назад

    You didn't explain any problems or why some woods won't work or why the right wood isn' t working. You only mentioned a few hints about moister

  • @WildPrimitiveSkills
    @WildPrimitiveSkills 10 месяцев назад

    you can walk into any unfamiliar woods and start a bow drill fire every time as long as you practice...at least i can. and all our passing students can as well. im not understanding how we are being dishonest.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  10 месяцев назад

      You've never seen it?

    • @WildPrimitiveSkills
      @WildPrimitiveSkills 10 месяцев назад

      @@DavidWestBgood2ppl I guess I’m not understanding. I was a little tipsy when I watched

  • @MrJdsenior
    @MrJdsenior 6 лет назад +9

    Very honest and informative. Thanks for posting, could be a lifesaver in the right (wrong?) conditions. I think I will try this a couple of times just to have it in my "toolkit".

    • @caseykelso1
      @caseykelso1 Год назад +1

      Right next to the pack of Bic lighters🎉

  • @dogdadoutdoors
    @dogdadoutdoors Год назад

    100%, I did a video last week where I show me trying to do something simple like feather sticks for first time as a complete beginner to that technique and I failed. Its harder than it looks on RUclips, you have to practice these skills.

  • @brettfoster6786
    @brettfoster6786 3 года назад +1

    Thanks David. It was my only New Years resolutions in 2020 . I failed. 2021 is the year 👍 . Weekend warriors!

  • @Lyn-uh2mb
    @Lyn-uh2mb Месяц назад

    That is a good life lesson that everyone should learn

  • @loriekaczmarek9788
    @loriekaczmarek9788 21 день назад

    lol took a police officer and a coworker kayaking by down the maumee river . Stopped on an island to make lunch. No nothing but hotdogs ,sodas,and bread with us. Took all of 10 minutes to find everything we needed to make a fire using a bow drill, right by shore dead cottonwood tree, stinging nettles about 4 ft tall, a black walnut shell half, dry moss, dry foliage, took another 5 minutes to get a fire blazing. If you know what you’re doing you don’t need saws, nylon string, etc. just about 15 minutes give or take a minute or two.

  • @frankv7068
    @frankv7068 5 лет назад +3

    Neanderthals built fires but not me😔

  • @krisvq
    @krisvq 10 месяцев назад

    Literally everyone talks about wet wood and rain issues .

  • @rokhnroll
    @rokhnroll 7 лет назад +4

    Love the pocket knife ( I got one after seeing your video on it ) it make for an excellent budget carving knife too. As for the bow drill friction fire I am going to be attempting my first this weekend and have started putting the pieces together, I am certain I will fail to begin with so I will use the library of knowledge on your channel to help me put the odds back in my favour. Kind regards.

  • @SurvivalTheory
    @SurvivalTheory 6 лет назад +1

    Good video. I just made a video of failed attempts at bow drill fire in the Everglades. I wanted to get an ember, but just couldn't....wet material, wet everything. With experience it is easy with great material and optimal conditions.....but that won't always be the circumstances we are in when needing to make fire.
    Maybe I should have brought some dried material from home like some other channels! :-)

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  6 лет назад +1

      EDC a BIC, wallet fresnel lens, and keychain ferro rod. You can't depend on even the artificially dry materials like I use in most of my videos to make fire. You wouldn't believe how much that bit of advice offends people.

    • @SurvivalTheory
      @SurvivalTheory 6 лет назад

      Good advice offends many people! Especially if it doesn't fall into their narrow view of how it should be.

  • @pauljs75
    @pauljs75 2 года назад

    Another video on the subject seemed to say that a particular wood doesn't matter, as long as it's quite dry and you can put a mark into it by pushing with your thumbnail. If it's too hard to take a mark easily, then look for something else. Sounded like a good tip, since it doesn't leave you tied to looking for something that would be specific to a particular environment.

  • @Anvilbanger
    @Anvilbanger 2 месяца назад

    Years ago I astounded my instructors at the US Air Force survival school by making fire with a bow drill. They had only seen it in training films. THAT SAID, I used a tried and true fire kit that I brought with me from home. I don't know that I could have done it using local materials (Spokane Washington area).

  • @vidskitkid
    @vidskitkid 5 лет назад +6

    Wow Mr. West! Your skills and technique are impressive to see, thanks for sharing this knowledge with us, fun to watch as well!

  • @alphaandomegaministry2718
    @alphaandomegaministry2718 2 месяца назад

    I learned some things from you. The square point notch - mine was narrower. The wave technique - I was just blowing. The narrow spindle and privet on privet. It is strange though. I got a coal in the rain - then failed on a seemingly dryer day. More humid possibly? I am using a simple stone bearing and waxing the top of the spindle to reduce friction. I am using a twisted cord but I notice you are not. To be honest I run out of energy pretty soon. So after 4 or 5 attempts I'm done. Seems like timber dryness is everything in this game.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  2 месяца назад

      Privet on Privet are the easiest bow drill materials you can use in SC. I’ve made them produce while still green. It took 25 minutes of bowing.

  • @garrettthomas2545
    @garrettthomas2545 2 месяца назад

    Great informative video. My only complaint is the use of a ball bearing. That's not something you can just find in a survival situation. Maybe your other videos show use of a bow drill without that, but seeing that just kind of ruined any credibility for me. Like I said everything else in the video is great. Just a let down seeing thay ball bearing to help out.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  2 месяца назад

      Now you can clearly see my point with this video. I am the one that edited this video. You see only what I allow you to see. What if I removed the bearing block scenes. Wouldn't you have been deceived into thinking that it was a natural bearing block. (See the other comments from people who thought they caught me using a cheat bearing block).

  • @derekgreene3027
    @derekgreene3027 9 месяцев назад

    Sorry Dave that was kinda a long comment

  • @derekgreene3027
    @derekgreene3027 9 месяцев назад

    Glad I caught it tho so I never miss new videos

  • @stevedurden92
    @stevedurden92 2 года назад

    David you are the Best teacher ! I hope to have fire soon thanks.

  • @CliffManis
    @CliffManis 4 года назад +2

    Well done, well said and thanks...

  • @matbryan9047
    @matbryan9047 2 года назад +1

    Well said David.
    I'm in Australia and have tried many combinations of timbers here, an failed more times than succeded.
    My go too is grasstree flower spike and palm frond.
    Thanks for being you.

  • @caseykelso1
    @caseykelso1 Год назад

    I thought this was a video on how to start a fire like back in the olden days. I'm 99.9 percent sure that's why everybody clicked on this video😊 If I had a knife and a saw like that I'm sure I would have flint or a Zippo lighter and have a fire in a minute. Why don't we go old school and use nothing but your hands and the stuff that you can pick up off the ground to make a fire just like they did say 20000 years ago🎉p.s. forgot about the Bearing too 😮

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  Год назад

      "The bearing" is the whole point of this video. Don't you have the right to know that I'm using a bearing? I could have easily hidden that cheat from you or edited it out. You're only ever seeing or knowing what the content creators (experts) allow.

  • @jeffeichler427
    @jeffeichler427 4 месяца назад

    David thanks for the video. I agree all the factors you mentioned attribute to a better chance of creating friction fire. The thing is people need to go out and try for themseveles in a safe setting or recreated situation. Knowledge may be gained from reading or watching videos but unless practiced it cannot turn into experience. Morale and perseverance mixed with experience and preparation gives you a good chance of living though a true survival situation.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  4 месяца назад

      Greater skills in primitive fire-making reveals its unreliability. Always carry a Bic, ferro rod, and wallet fresnel lens.

  • @warriorrod2382
    @warriorrod2382 5 лет назад

    I've made money betting so called "survivalist" to build a bow drill fire....it's just not easy. Just a knife and the cloths you have on.....I've never lost the bet.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  5 лет назад

      You ever notice on these survivalists shows how the survival instructors have such poor techniqe, don't try to find and keep dry tinder, don't make char or save ashes from their first fire, don't try to ignite a coal extender to keep a coal going even though the dark clouds and rain is upon them?

  • @derekgreene3027
    @derekgreene3027 9 месяцев назад

    I've subscribed to your channel here long ago but I just now noticed I wasn't subscribed no idea what must've happened

  • @davidtettleton2732
    @davidtettleton2732 9 месяцев назад

    Its been storming and ive been trying to bow drill. Inside tho. Seemsikecso much smoke but no flame. Or ember. Fir on fir and maple or oak on fir. Will keep trying different fireboards and spindles

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  9 месяцев назад

      Moisture in the air is enough to keep embers from igniting. See my how to videos, Pine on Pine, Maple on Maple, and Oak on Oak videos in my bow drill playlist.

  • @barrysmith1202
    @barrysmith1202 3 года назад

    i'd been making fires a dozen times, ONE match; then once when it was def dew-point, drizzle-- 21 matches FAILED!

  • @chrislilly8657
    @chrislilly8657 2 года назад

    That you for this video! I have a bet that my cousin said he'd pay for trip if I build a fire by hand... Any fuel or method without ignition source.. I've tried plow method so far and it's way too much work.. gonna give the bow a shot,,, I have one week to perfect it and make a kit. Any tips anyone has, I'm all ears

  • @adambauman8044
    @adambauman8044 2 года назад

    I have now made bow drill fires in multiple conditions using different types of woods and bow strings. I'm still looking for a video that explains how to stop the bow string from climbing up the drill and hitting the hand block. This is by far more difficult than finding materials and shaping them properly.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  2 года назад

      If the entire spindle is tapered or if your not bowing level that will happen. Do not deviate from the way I show in my tutorials in my bow drill playlist.

  • @paullanier8280
    @paullanier8280 6 лет назад +1

    Hi Mr. West. The scout troop we belong to, 478, made expo on primitive fire making techniques. One percent can do this. It takes patience. It was at centennial event of BSA north America at Avondale site. Seven of our scouts and leaders had ton of fun teaching and the expression on the faces of the successful scouts made our day!!

  • @northernminnesotasasquatch2532
    @northernminnesotasasquatch2532 4 года назад +1

    Awsome! I had a guy teach me this and I made it happen my first try but my arms were jello for awhile🙂 people dont comprehend how hard this is to do.

    • @johannlangner289
      @johannlangner289 3 года назад

      Lmao, I tried it yesterday and my arms were jello too

  • @w8rok
    @w8rok 7 лет назад +6

    Great video

  • @marcleblanc7021
    @marcleblanc7021 4 года назад

    Again another good truthful video. Yesterday i was a our local pack shop. The sales guy kept showing me these cute feral rods. I was like man thats cool. I said dont you carry a few lighters? He says dont do you good if they get wet. I was like great point. But usually dont you do preventabke measures to keep your fire stuff dry? Also thats why i keep multiple lighters in different places. Yes i have a feral rod. Im not against it. You need all options possible for success. My point being is for people to never think its not ok to use lighters. Lol
    Again I like how you use smaller materials, it just seems logical this could work a bit better than these huge spindals

  • @stambo2001
    @stambo2001 6 лет назад +2

    best fireboards I've used were dried driftwood, kinda punky and you could easily dig into it with a fingernail.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  6 лет назад +2

      Stambo In the wild I agree. That amount of decay makes great hand and bow drill fire boards. Thanks!

  • @petes3011
    @petes3011 4 месяца назад

    Hooray.!! the voice of reason.

  • @marv5604
    @marv5604 3 года назад

    I have seen videos of "experts" with sloppy form, in challenging situation, have no struggle getting a coal with material that the gathered on the spot. It makes me wonder if on the spot was a few days earlier and they dried the materials in their house or dashboard before shooting great bow drill scene.

  • @dg-vg9di
    @dg-vg9di 4 года назад

    You’all name the types of wood. But if you don’t know the types. Wouldn’t the wood need to be the same hardness. Use the same wood for all the friction parts? Pine on pine, oak on oak, birch on birch. Kinda like that? Or does one wood need to be harder than another?

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  4 года назад

      I always use the same wood for for spindle and hearth for bow drill. For hand drill I always use the typical stalk weed for spindle and a highly degraded but not punky piece of any type of wood for the fireboard. Please visit my hand and bow drill playlists for all the information you'll ever need.

  • @jesseadams45
    @jesseadams45 3 года назад

    The first ember I ever got, I cheated as much as possible. I chucked the spindle into my drill and burned it in and made an ember. Once I knew it worked I was then able to try it for real and got my first real ember then it just went from there as I learned more of what materials work best.

  • @JacobvsRex
    @JacobvsRex 3 года назад

    I’m just shocked you found some dead privet! Around here it won’t die for nothing!

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  3 года назад

      I know what you mean. Since then, every patch of it that I find has no dead pieces. LOL!

  • @montyrackley612
    @montyrackley612 4 года назад

    One question which method is the easiest to get a fiction fire from for a beginner? Bow drill or the fire saw(I already know hand drill would likely be the toughest and I have heard it can take years to master

  • @ytSuns26
    @ytSuns26 4 года назад

    Camping on the Platt river our scout leader taught us to use flint and steel to light the big camp fire, early in the day he and I went and got kerosene and soaked select portions of the evening fire. Later with all the scouts gather waiting to see flint and steel start a fire. The scout leader produced his zippo lighter, flint and steal.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  4 года назад

      In lighters they call them flint, but they are actually mini ferrocerium rods... ferro rods.

  • @k.d.8924
    @k.d.8924 Год назад

    that privet is awesome stuff, I've known it to work right after a big rain, still dripping wet.

  • @TigerCarpenter
    @TigerCarpenter 3 года назад

    I'm moving to the tropical forest land on the equator in 2 months, where I'll be building my off grid cabin.
    I guess that's how I landed on your useful video, and I hope I'll be able to start fire there. it worries me now that you mentioned the humidity and the du point several times, and my land is bombarded by the tons of daily heavy rain water, and the ambient temperature is 40C most of the time, only at night it drops to 16C, so I guess my chances to start a fire would be higher in the morning or at night.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  3 года назад

      Move to Upstate SC.

    • @TigerCarpenter
      @TigerCarpenter 3 года назад

      @@DavidWestBgood2ppl I'm from Poland and I've been living in South East Asia for 20 years.
      in 2 months I'm moving to my jungle land to cut off from the civilization.

  • @graftedin3
    @graftedin3 3 года назад

    David, if they have a problem with the truth, they may not know the way, the truth and the life. Tommy

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  3 года назад

      Right!... Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.

  • @lunawidener1210
    @lunawidener1210 4 года назад +1

    All I’ve ever got from a bow drill is a sore shoulder...🤪🤪🤪

  • @badger31738
    @badger31738 Год назад

    Had to give a thumbs down due to the screen going black at the 2:15 section for the rest of the video

    • @ClayTallStories
      @ClayTallStories Год назад

      I never saw that happen? Maybe you have a server problem?

  • @drive67ray
    @drive67ray 4 года назад

    thanks for that i have learnt another peice of the puzzle maybe now i will be succesful with a bowdrill

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  4 года назад

      Your success will come a lot quicker if you checkout all the "How To" videos in my Bow Drill playlist.

  • @Shaolin9424
    @Shaolin9424 5 лет назад +2

    Thanks David. Great video.

  • @ericletts4072
    @ericletts4072 5 лет назад +1

    I want to Thank You so much, I have watched those experts and I have tried it off and on for two years now and never got anything very little smoke, and a lot of getting mad at myself, but never any ember, or fire, I have learned a lot here. Thank You again. You are very honest.

  • @alexhail9971
    @alexhail9971 2 года назад

    I carry a lighter and matches falling that I try to find pyrite before I resort to a bow drill

  • @lukedupont6238
    @lukedupont6238 6 лет назад +1

    Great video! Firstly, it's great that you identified that tree which I always found and cut down as a kid: privet! It's incredibly common, but I never knew what to call it and no-one seems to talk about it. Secondly, I've tried friction fires on many occasions; all smoke, no ember! I was getting rather discouraged. I guess there's something to be said for "crawling before you walk" -- I'll try stacking the odds more in my favor until I get good at it, before thinking that I can just make do with whatever I happen to find.

  • @lloydwhite3198
    @lloydwhite3198 4 года назад +1

    Thanks boss, and Godspeed . Just subscribed to see your future and past videos.

  • @mr.citizen9206
    @mr.citizen9206 3 года назад

    And for the rest of us that don't have Horseweed in our area, what do you suggest as a material for a drill? Thanks for your time.

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  3 года назад

      Horseweed is worldwide but not everywhere. I like Goldenrod, Dogfennel, Mullein, Yucca, Joe Pye Weed among others. See my Hand Drill Playlist.

  • @richardchristian6504
    @richardchristian6504 7 лет назад +2

    David, The more you know and practice - the easier it is.

  • @prasetyo313
    @prasetyo313 3 года назад

    Thanks david ..for your tips and trick im from indonesia

  • @frankgaletzka8477
    @frankgaletzka8477 4 года назад +1

    Well Done
    The truth is always the best way
    Thanks
    Yours Frank

  • @robertfleming387
    @robertfleming387 2 года назад +1

    Thnx Dave...I always felt most teachers of these skills want others to feel they are particularly gifted..skills + experience = proficiency.. 👍

  • @gowdsake7103
    @gowdsake7103 6 лет назад +1

    Am thinking that if someone cannot work stuff out then they wont survive very long on their own

  • @donvergas9350
    @donvergas9350 5 лет назад

    Because the experts are absolutely trying to hide their secrets

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  5 лет назад +1

      No. The experts are way better than me. They just don't want to show their fails.

  • @fbrault7
    @fbrault7 6 лет назад +3

    hahaha love the ball bearings

  • @murphmurph2124
    @murphmurph2124 6 лет назад +1

    Yea Yeah, it still a lot quicker and easier to stop the video recording and whip out the good ole bic. Lol Lol, Good video thanks

  • @MaffTUK
    @MaffTUK 6 лет назад +2

    Well done for being straight up, nice to see :-)

  • @JTM369
    @JTM369 2 года назад

    Best video on this by far

  • @martinschmidt1652
    @martinschmidt1652 5 лет назад +1

    says its harder than it is... then makes it look easier as on any other video..

  • @SudrunajjaSudrun
    @SudrunajjaSudrun Год назад

    Saya sudah sering mencoba sampai tangan lecet pak tapi selalu gagal 😢😢

  • @Fireandaxes
    @Fireandaxes 6 лет назад +1

    Really enjoying your Channel Dave .. thanks for sharing your knowledge. Can I ask .. can you reuse the same notched hole in the fire board multiple times? Thanks again 😀

    • @DavidWestBgood2ppl
      @DavidWestBgood2ppl  6 лет назад +2

      Yes, on harder sets, I've gotten 10 embers from the same divot. Normally though, 2 for Hand Drill and 2-4 for Bow Drill.