ruclips.net/video/jkgUfzNgm7Y/видео.html another case when clouds formed below and the mountain was also close... I had a different wing that allowed me to do the ears and spiral quite easily, which was great to lower the altitude.
I’m a helicopter pilot by profession for 40 years and a paraglider pilot by hobby for 2. I’m Airline Transport rated IFR pilot which means I’ve many many hours in cloud The white room as you guys call it. And have never really enjoyed it. Helicopter pilots tend to be pessimistic at heart so we are always waiting for something to go wrong. If this ever happened to me in a paraglider it would scare the crap out of me. Glad you kept your wits about you. Good job. 🎉
Thanks, I was just trying to fly on the safe side and ready to face turbulence. I can imagine that in a collapse situation, the sense of direction will be completely messed up.
@@ParaKiteGlidingI mentioned that I’ve spent many hours in clouds and don’t enjoy it but I didn’t say why I don’t enjoy it. I’m of a minority of people who are prone to vertigo. Which means that EVERY TIME I’ve been in cloud in helicopters, and even those times when it was only simulated for training purposes, I’ve had vertigo or as we call it, The Leans. It’s a situation where after a short time (for me it can be seconds) in the All White Or at night in cloud The all Black, with no visual reference outside the cockpit your body starts to play tricks on you and your sense of direction including the up and down directions can get completely messed up to the point where your instruments are telling you that you are perhaps in a steep left climbing turn but your body and your brain are telling you that you are instead in a right descending turn and your training is telling you that you have to believe your instruments and force yourself to go against all your natural instincts and turn even farther to the right and pull up. This can be extremely difficult and many pilots die from not believing in their instruments. So then put me in a paraglider in cloud with ultra basic navigational equipment, no artificial horizon, and give me vertigo??? Na ah. At least you know that if you do have a collapse you’ll know which direction is down pretty damn quickly! 😂
@@Bob_just_Bob Interesting story. The great thing about paraglider is that it flies straight by itself. 👌 The main thing you need to pay attention to is the use of the brakes.
With this kind of cloud (small cumulus), there is no real danger of being sucked into the cloud. You just had the appropriate behaviour : no panicking and flying straight. Not the same story with big congestus or even Cb !
Holy shit that was wild. The suction of the clouds reminds me of the force of a rip current. Only experienced people can use it to their advantage but it's still dangerous.
Du wusstest die Richtung wo es blau ist. Hast nach mir alles richtig gemacht. Cool bleiben, raus fliegen. 👍 Ich wusste bei meinem Video genau was ich tat. (Siehe unten) Wenn man eingeschlossen wird von riesigen Wolken, ist der Fehler schon viel früher passiert.
@@cvlindsay3833 _"this flight close to the underside of the cloud was totally illegal to begin with"_ - it is not illegal to fly close to clouds outside of airspace. It IS illegal to fly inside clouds, for planes just as much as for paragliders. That is, if a "plane comes flying thru the clouds," it's the plane that is doing something illegal.
@@ParaKiteGliding you have a very valid point there. Where he was all he had to do was fly he can't hit anything in the cloud. They also say the altitude of the cloud deck is important. If you were in the desert Southwest in America and you get sucked up into a cloud the cloud might be at 10,000 ft. If you get sucked up into the cloud it can be growing faster than you can fly out the side.
@@markmcgoveran6811 The cloud can also be wet and if the temperature drops below freezing, the wing and everything will freeze. A thundercloud might be the scariest of all and not a mountain in the clouds as I thought before. 😅
@@ParaKiteGliding you are absolutely correct. Early in your video they showed clouds that weren't real tall and those would be less likely to have ice in them than a real tall cloud. That's one of the difficulties they never mentioned in the owner's manual. If you get sucked up into a cloud and your wing gets wet and freezes will it thaw out before you hit the ground in time to make a flare landing?
In this cloud the air was quite laminar, so it was an easy case. But don't look for more cloud suction videos, often the pilot tries to do advanced maneuvers and ends up stalling the wing etc. 🙃
You definitely need to train big ears more often! It's an effective technique for more sink and speed - which is exactly what you want in such a situation
@@luftigunterwegs3283 I do try it, but the ears won't stay in place on this wing. Much less if I also press the speed bar or if there is any turbulence at all.
On most modern sport paragliders, big ears reduce the airspeed. What is often recommended this days is full bar and holding the closest direction towards open sky.
Did you consider to deep spiral out of it at any point? I havent experienced such cloud suck yet but I dont plan on getting anywhere near such clouds before I get comfortable with spirals.
Not really. Too many g-forces and I've heard that in a spiral you can end up in the middle of the lift at the same time. A brake chute would be a good way to reduce g-forces, but my harness doesn't have a designated place for it. If the wing could make decent ears, then ears + spiral by leaning could be a very good option. I learned that move in the SIV course and I've needed it once in a real situation: ruclips.net/video/jkgUfzNgm7Y/видео.html
Wow what an amazing thing. I just bought an epsilon 9 wing and harness to fit me.I I bought the lessons and when I leave the School I'm coming home to be alone and fly from farmland. The goal is to fly up wind throw out a big bag of cornstarch for condensation nuclei, fly away from the cloud and have the rain fall on the farm I just launched from. There is no local community flying around here. I am going to be commander of the number 13 cloud seeding squadron, as soon as I get my pilot's license from the school. If it is believed that somehow I took wings out of a bag and flew up under a cloud and made it rain one time in 10, I would be flooded with request to fly from someone's farm and trigger a rain cloud to rain on a farm. I have one big farm I can fly from. It looks like the way the land lays I will be able to find a bowl facing up wind and launch out of there to get the lift above the bowl. I figured this to be mostly top landing country with a lot of good places to land and probably the best place wind wise is top landing. I think you can always find a fairly flat hilltop that runs straight into the wind here so you don't have so much rotor and sink. How far below the cloud were you when you got into that very strong lift?
@@ParaKiteGliding I live right in the center of the United States in a place called Burt county Nebraska. When I leave the school I will be alone here. I want to get as many people here to fly as possible. My mom died we sold her house left me a little bit of money and I bought a bunch of lessons an epsilon 9, and the rest of the gear. Early next spring I will go get pulled and do my ground handling and make my flights have my license and go away from all my friends to fly by myself. I'm writing a list of rules. The first rule is always put your harness all the way on or take your harness all the way off. You were only groundhandling that's what the plan for the day was and planning a day like that workout many times in a row. If you have that Wing out of the bag attached to you in any way shape or form it shall be attached to you completely or it should be unattached from you completely. I would be very happy to wind up 600 ft above ground level and having to choose if I should go higher or not.
ruclips.net/video/jkgUfzNgm7Y/видео.html another case when clouds formed below and the mountain was also close... I had a different wing that allowed me to do the ears and spiral quite easily, which was great to lower the altitude.
I’m a helicopter pilot by profession for 40 years and a paraglider pilot by hobby for 2. I’m Airline Transport rated IFR pilot which means I’ve many many hours in cloud The white room as you guys call it. And have never really enjoyed it. Helicopter pilots tend to be pessimistic at heart so we are always waiting for something to go wrong. If this ever happened to me in a paraglider it would scare the crap out of me. Glad you kept your wits about you. Good job. 🎉
Thanks, I was just trying to fly on the safe side and ready to face turbulence. I can imagine that in a collapse situation, the sense of direction will be completely messed up.
@@ParaKiteGlidingI mentioned that I’ve spent many hours in clouds and don’t enjoy it but I didn’t say why I don’t enjoy it. I’m of a minority of people who are prone to vertigo. Which means that EVERY TIME I’ve been in cloud in helicopters, and even those times when it was only simulated for training purposes, I’ve had vertigo or as we call it, The Leans. It’s a situation where after a short time (for me it can be seconds) in the All White Or at night in cloud The all Black, with no visual reference outside the cockpit your body starts to play tricks on you and your sense of direction including the up and down directions can get completely messed up to the point where your instruments are telling you that you are perhaps in a steep left climbing turn but your body and your brain are telling you that you are instead in a right descending turn and your training is telling you that you have to believe your instruments and force yourself to go against all your natural instincts and turn even farther to the right and pull up. This can be extremely difficult and many pilots die from not believing in their instruments. So then put me in a paraglider in cloud with ultra basic navigational equipment, no artificial horizon, and give me vertigo??? Na ah. At least you know that if you do have a collapse you’ll know which direction is down pretty damn quickly! 😂
@@Bob_just_Bob Interesting story. The great thing about paraglider is that it flies straight by itself. 👌 The main thing you need to pay attention to is the use of the brakes.
i play a helicopter pilot here on youtube so i guess you and i are coworkers.
Good one - illustrates what it's like perfectly.
Always feels longer than it is. But so much can happen in 2 minutes
With this kind of cloud (small cumulus), there is no real danger of being sucked into the cloud. You just had the appropriate behaviour : no panicking and flying straight.
Not the same story with big congestus or even Cb !
Wow the view of the clouds reflecting in the water is beautiful!
Holy shit that was wild. The suction of the clouds reminds me of the force of a rip current. Only experienced people can use it to their advantage but it's still dangerous.
Very Good one 👍🏻
Scary stuff happened to me while parachuting , was considering dumping the main and going to reserve lower down when it let me go
Du wusstest die Richtung wo es blau ist. Hast nach mir alles richtig gemacht. Cool bleiben, raus fliegen. 👍 Ich wusste bei meinem Video genau was ich tat. (Siehe unten)
Wenn man eingeschlossen wird von riesigen Wolken, ist der Fehler schon viel früher passiert.
Been there, done that. Big ears got me out but was pretty close to edge as well. You were quite a bit in, eek!
Amazing video! So good and informative.
i respect this whole thing except for the part where he pretends to chastise himself. He wanted that cloud suck. And we thank him. What a ride.
Fooling yourself can be fun 😅
This is amazing !
Imagine a plaine coming flying thru the clouds
That's why you should typically stay away from clouds.
That’s why I comment this flight close to the underside of the cloud was totally illegal to begin with let alone inadvertent flight IN the cloud
This “pilot” is an idiot and a danger to both himself and others.
@@cvlindsay3833 _"this flight close to the underside of the cloud was totally illegal to begin with"_ - it is not illegal to fly close to clouds outside of airspace.
It IS illegal to fly inside clouds, for planes just as much as for paragliders. That is, if a "plane comes flying thru the clouds," it's the plane that is doing something illegal.
@@renedekker9806 Not if they're flying IFR
that was really fast!
and when it happens it is good to be over flatlands as you :-)
Indeed, the scariest case is if a cloud covers the mountain and you lose your sense of direction.
@@ParaKiteGliding you have a very valid point there. Where he was all he had to do was fly he can't hit anything in the cloud. They also say the altitude of the cloud deck is important. If you were in the desert Southwest in America and you get sucked up into a cloud the cloud might be at 10,000 ft. If you get sucked up into the cloud it can be growing faster than you can fly out the side.
@@markmcgoveran6811 The cloud can also be wet and if the temperature drops below freezing, the wing and everything will freeze. A thundercloud might be the scariest of all and not a mountain in the clouds as I thought before. 😅
@@ParaKiteGliding you are absolutely correct. Early in your video they showed clouds that weren't real tall and those would be less likely to have ice in them than a real tall cloud. That's one of the difficulties they never mentioned in the owner's manual. If you get sucked up into a cloud and your wing gets wet and freezes will it thaw out before you hit the ground in time to make a flare landing?
@@markmcgoveran6811 I have seen one video where ice breaks apart in little pieces. 😅 But then again, even minor rime can cause deep stall problems.
Good flying... just bought the m7 and ears are crap.. ill try the c3 ears next time... nice showing people how to fly i cloud, good effort.
Illegal flight close to the underside of clouds becomes illegal IFR IN the clouds
According to which regulation?
Illegal IFR. WTF is that. This is in Finland. U mean inadvertent IMC.
yeah nah hes right of course. paragliders are bound by vfr. pretty sure you are on violaton of that if you cant see shit anymore:D
Don't be afraid of using bar.
speed bar + big ears --> keep good horizontal speed, increase the descent, no risk of collapse
Scary!
YOLO !!!
Only just found this channel, shi.....that was scary .. 🥺
In this cloud the air was quite laminar, so it was an easy case. But don't look for more cloud suction videos, often the pilot tries to do advanced maneuvers and ends up stalling the wing etc. 🙃
You definitely need to train big ears more often! It's an effective technique for more sink and speed - which is exactly what you want in such a situation
In general, you are right, but look at how this wing behaves: ruclips.net/video/Hfc6d-WG8Uo/видео.html
@@ParaKiteGliding I don't get it. Why don't you use the outer As?
@@luftigunterwegs3283 I do try it, but the ears won't stay in place on this wing. Much less if I also press the speed bar or if there is any turbulence at all.
On most modern sport paragliders, big ears reduce the airspeed. What is often recommended this days is full bar and holding the closest direction towards open sky.
@@ParaKiteGliding They never do, you need to keep holding the outer A's. Steer using weight shift and push some speed if you want or need.
Definitely learn to fly your wing full speed!
Fly close enough to the edge, specially if the clouds grow tall. Speed out when getting close! :-)
I'm curious since I fly radio control gliders and when we get into hat sucker's we spiral dive out. Why don't paragliding do the same?
It is an option, but comes with risks, such as getting into stronger lift, loosing consious due to g-forces, collapsing the glider 🙃
Hat sucker is an funny term 😄
I see I got recommended this as well...
Did you consider to deep spiral out of it at any point? I havent experienced such cloud suck yet but I dont plan on getting anywhere near such clouds before I get comfortable with spirals.
Not really. Too many g-forces and I've heard that in a spiral you can end up in the middle of the lift at the same time.
A brake chute would be a good way to reduce g-forces, but my harness doesn't have a designated place for it.
If the wing could make decent ears, then ears + spiral by leaning could be a very good option. I learned that move in the SIV course and I've needed it once in a real situation: ruclips.net/video/jkgUfzNgm7Y/видео.html
Jaką miałeś wysokość? wygląda naprawdę solidnie 🤔😃
Około 2200m
@@ParaKiteGliding wow to nie tak wysoko chyba przez ten krajobraz małe rzeczki i jeziora wyglądało że te podstawy to gdzieś z trzy koła
@@damianogryf Szeroki obiektyw sprawia również, że wydaje się wyższy
Why not big ears?
@@laserflight Big ears isn't best feature of the M7 ruclips.net/video/Hfc6d-WG8Uo/видео.htmlsi=C9O4TRXMiSniOByO
Wow what an amazing thing. I just bought an epsilon 9 wing and harness to fit me.I I bought the lessons and when I leave the School I'm coming home to be alone and fly from farmland. The goal is to fly up wind throw out a big bag of cornstarch for condensation nuclei, fly away from the cloud and have the rain fall on the farm I just launched from. There is no local community flying around here. I am going to be commander of the number 13 cloud seeding squadron, as soon as I get my pilot's license from the school. If it is believed that somehow I took wings out of a bag and flew up under a cloud and made it rain one time in 10, I would be flooded with request to fly from someone's farm and trigger a rain cloud to rain on a farm. I have one big farm I can fly from. It looks like the way the land lays I will be able to find a bowl facing up wind and launch out of there to get the lift above the bowl. I figured this to be mostly top landing country with a lot of good places to land and probably the best place wind wise is top landing. I think you can always find a fairly flat hilltop that runs straight into the wind here so you don't have so much rotor and sink. How far below the cloud were you when you got into that very strong lift?
You have big dreams, take it easy at first. 😅 Maybe 600 feet. What country do you live in?
@@ParaKiteGliding I live right in the center of the United States in a place called Burt county Nebraska. When I leave the school I will be alone here. I want to get as many people here to fly as possible. My mom died we sold her house left me a little bit of money and I bought a bunch of lessons an epsilon 9, and the rest of the gear. Early next spring I will go get pulled and do my ground handling and make my flights have my license and go away from all my friends to fly by myself. I'm writing a list of rules. The first rule is always put your harness all the way on or take your harness all the way off. You were only groundhandling that's what the plan for the day was and planning a day like that workout many times in a row. If you have that Wing out of the bag attached to you in any way shape or form it shall be attached to you completely or it should be unattached from you completely. I would be very happy to wind up 600 ft above ground level and having to choose if I should go higher or not.
Cloud suction sucks, but it's fun
gj
🙈
You have two feet, and two legs use them.
Why did you let the ears out? Good job staying calm.
Ears don't really stay put with this wing