How to Make Methyl Cellulose Paste
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- How to Make Methyl Cellulose Paste, is a tutorial video. For more information about book arts, visit; JimEscalante.net/teach
This is the link to the video on making book cloth from fabric, • How to Make Book Cloth.
thank you for making this, im going to use it to make suitable origami paper, so probably need to add more water to make it thinner, I dont want super-hard sheets.
Thank you @JimEscalante for posting this video.
For those interested, here are some of my experiences so far having mixed a couple of batches for use as a neri substitute.
First Batch:
I made a half sized recipe from the video and wow did it thicken up quickly, not in seconds, but minutes, and within 2 hours it went from very thin to very thick, I was able to drip it from the spoon and have it make layers.
Then over the next few hours it got even thicker, like past slime consistency to approaching a molten rubber-like consistency.
Then after about 6 hours I had a very squishy, very slippery hockey puck!
I then left this uncovered overnight and the consistency didn't change much, just the top portion dried a little.
I tried adding more water to it, but this was cold water and I later learned that doing this can actually cause the mass to dry out, so the outer most portions remain slick, but the center begins to dry out.
The next morning I tried adding hot water to my squishy, slimy, hockey puck to thin it out and it just sat in the 120F water and laughed at me!!!
Lesson learned, a very little Methyl Cellulose goes a very long way!!!
Second batch:
I mixed 1.5 teaspoons with at first 200ml of a mixture of cold tap water and boiling hot water right from the kettle and the Methyl Cellulose mixed fairly easily. I found that it's easier to sort of sprinkle it on the surface, then wait for any clumps to disperse before stirring, if you get clumps, you can cause them to break up by drizzling a little of the liquid over them and they will spread out and dissolve evenly.
Once mixed this too began to thicken quickly, so I then added another 100ml of 50/50 cold/hot water and mixed this and all seemed well for a moment, then that too began to be way too thick, so I added in another 100ml (the volume on the beaker is showing 400ml) and now as the beaker is cooling the mixture is the consistency of a thick syrup, which I assume will get even thicker over the next few hours...
This time I will cover it.
@HiDesertDude
I have also run into issues with the paste thickening to the point of drying out. @JimEscalante Any suggestions as to what the problem is?
Very straightforward, thank you. Does it mold?
I use distilled water and make sure to not get anything that might cause mold in the paste. I do not store large quantities. Mold has not been a problem for me.
Very impressive Video
I am planning on making hand sanitizer with HPMC, and was wondering if you think i should mix the proper ratios of water and alcohol together first, or use this method and then add the alcohol after. Thank you so much! Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this!
Hi Jesse, I don't have any experience doing what you describe. My only suggestion is to try the steps you outlined in the question using small batches. Hope you have success. -Jim
Jim Escalante No worries, thank you so much for your quick response. Stay safe!
How did the mix with alcohol work out?I am making a wall paper paste with MC and want to use a few drops of tea tree oil to prevent mold since I didn’t use distilled water.Any suggestions? Thanks
Hi Jim, thanks for this video. I'm having a struggle not getting lumps when I make it. I'm even putting it into a strainer and gently sprinkling a litttttle bit in at a time. I know you mixed it for a lot longer than the video shows but it seems once lumps have formed stirring won't help. Do you have any hints you could share?
Hi Marci,
Many people strain the paste after it sits for a day or they strain it before they use it. I should probably make a video show how to do that. In my classroom, I used to keep several 1 gallon or 5 gallon paint strainers on hand. You can use some fine fabric if you have some. Preferably nylon. I buy paint strainers at any hardware store that sells paint. You can search on RUclips for "How to strain the chunks and debris out of house paint." That is what I suggest. You can reach me directly if you have questions. Try Jim.Escalante @ gmail.com. I hope this helps.
@@jaescala Thanks for the tip.
Is carboxy methyl cellulose the same
Very helpful thank you. Do you have to refrigerate the gel and if you do, does it have to be at room temperature to use?
I did not refrigerate it when I stored it in my classroom. However, the temperature did not change much in the room. I know that some other types of paste do need refrigeration, but I have never stored my Methyl Cellulose in a refrigerator. Don’t make a lot more than you need. You should be fine. Let me know if you learn something else! Happy binding. -Jim
@@jaescala Ok Great. Thank you for the response
You probably eat this every day. I'm truly baffled by people that watch a video on youtube then are too lazy to do a quick search on the computer or phone they are watching the video on but would take the time to post a stupid question. "In the film Ghostbusters, the gooey substance the supernatural entities used to "slime" the Ghostbusters was mostly a thick water solution of methyl cellulose. The Aliens ooze and drip a great deal of methyl cellulose-especially the queen." "Methyl cellulose (or methylcellulose) is a chemical compound derived from cellulose. It is sold under a variety of trade names and is used as a thickener and emulsifier in various food and cosmetic products, and also as a bulk-forming laxative. Like cellulose, it is not digestible, not toxic, and not an allergen."
Hi Jim, thank for the video. I'm having a struggle when i tried to make the gel (i used HMPC) for edible film. it's not getting like a gel like yours, it's like lumps and have a sticky texture. Do you have some advice? Thank you. Sorry for my grammar mistakes
Try to prepare it in a blender if you find that mixing by hand simply does not work
Hi.. Can use I cmc in making phenyl /floor cleaner?
No. It will not work. I have used too. Use Carbopol
Hi Jim. I tried to make the gel per how you had done it but the powder just settles to the bottom and I did let it sit overnight. Any thoughts to what I'm doing wrong? Thank you
Hi John. I am not sure why it is not turning to a gel like consistency. In 24 to 48 hours, mine usually looks similar to the video. Without seeing the material you used, I can't think of a reason it is not gelling up. Let me know after 48 hours. I would try staring it up again. I will send good thought. :)
Thank you for the reply. When I bought it the site said methyl cellulose but looking closser at the bag it says cellulose e460. And methylcellulose is e461. That is prob why I'm having this issue. Do you know if the e460 can still be used to strengthen paper in books?
@@John-ng6yl Sorry John, I am not familiar with e460. I order methycellulose from Talasonline.com or Dickblick.com. Hope you get this resolved. All best. -Jim
Nice
1/8th of a cup of what bruhtha?
can you please tell me the name of that white powder?
The powder is called Methyl Cellulose. I buy it in that form to mix with warm water to make the paste.
1/8th cup of the methyl cellulose powder.
Jim Escalante . Hello sir, can i use this cellulose gum in thickening of milk into a saue drizzle consistency? what percent of gum will be needed to for 1 litre of milk ? does the mixture need to kept for a night to get the desired consistency?
Can we make a jell using methyl cellulose and ethanol ?
Will u plz tell me the measurements..
Is cmc powder mean tylose powder? Nd it can use in doing of fondant work?
I have only used Methyl Cellulose paste in book binding projects. I use it to to glue paper and bookcloth to book cover material. I do not know if it can be used in fondant work.
@@jaescala ok thnks
@@jaescala hai sir Detergent thichness. Hec and mc best
Is this paste shiny?
what ratio of water to the powder should i use if i am making hand sanitizer
I have never used this for hand sanitizer. The ratio in the video makes a paste like solution. Add more water if you want it runnier or less water if you want it more pasty.
How to make nc thinner for sanding sealer.. pls formula
I have never used this paste as a sanding sealer. This paste has two ingredients, methyl cellulose powder and water. If you want the mixture to be thinner, simply add more water until you get the consistency you want.
@@jaescala thank u
I want to know the procss of cmc food grade making...
Use hot water to gain time
Is carboxy methyl cellulose different from methyl cellulose
Hello, I have never used carboy methyl cellulose. There I am not able to answer if it is different than the plain methyl cellulose that I use.
If you get the answer than let me know
What is the powder you are mixing?
Hello. The powder is dry Methyl Cellulose powder that is sold to make the paste. In the United State, I it at Talasonline.com and at larger art supply stores. Hope this helps.
Thank you very much!!!
Can i use this to make soft pastels?
That is a very interesting question. Sorry I have no experience making soft pastels. I love to know if you try it. -Jim
I have watched this video for 2 mins and it still does not mention what the powder is? Thank you
Hello. Thank you for writing. The Power is Methyl Cellulose powder. In the USA it can be purchased in art supply stores or mail order suppliers that sell materials for book binding or paper conservation. -Jim
@@jaescala Thank you
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Lisa Jarvis methylcellulose powder :)
do i get methyl from a chemist
Hello, If you are in the United States, you can order it from Talasonline.com. That is the vendor I use. Otherwise, it should be easy to find by checking with other art supply stores. Hope this helps. Jim
Thanks a lot for this ! I have done the process but I don’t know why it hasn’t gelled up... it’s still runny... any idea what I am doing wrong ? I want to use it to burnish the furry side of leather...last not least does it have to be stored in a glass container? Or a plastic container is fine?
Sometimes it takes 12 hours or more to gel
Jim Escalante thanks for responding! I let it stay for 24 hours and no luck... probably is of not good quality? Are there different grades of cmc? Like is there a food grade which is different from the cmc sold in art supply shops?
@@deepdiver849 hi! maybe you bought the cosmetic grade cmc like I did on my first attempt. That mixture will not be gel even after a week. After several attempts, I got rid of that and bought a pack of food grade cmc(used in baking) which is 4x-5x the cost of cosmetic grade but you will notice that it will become gel almost instantly upon contact with water. The remaining lumps of powder will eventually vanish just after few hrs. I will also be using them on the back side of my leather, both cmc solutions that I tested seems to work, the only downside of using cosmetic grade is being so runny.
renz trojillo thank you so much for your response! Btw do you add an preserving agents to your cmc to avoid it from molding?
@@deepdiver849 i havent tried adding vinegar yet. For now, i always store the mixture in the refrigerator.
It's a binding agent found in the Beyond Meat Burger
Nothing about that sounds tasty or healthy.
Please what's solid of PVA?
Hello Mohamed Alshishani. Thanks for the question. PVA is a white adhesive. Often people refer to it as white glue. PVA is an abbreviation for Polyvinyl acetate. Book binders often refer to it by brand name. Brands that I use are Jade, Norbond by Demco and Lenco also sells a PVA. I can also use a brand called SOBO that is sold in large craft stores. In this country schools use a white glue . But often schools use a PVA that has a higher water ratio and is not as strong. Hope this helps. -Jim
Thank you so much Jim 👍🏻
Can you consume this?
I have no idea. I would not consume it.
Have you attended the factory for HPMC material
And what is established
What is the price of tons
I work in Germany in a tylose / hec/mc plant:)
Where can I purchase methyl cellulose? Thanks!
If you live in the USA, any supplier for book arts supplies should stock methyl cellulose. I buy mine in powder form from talasonline.com. I usually buy half a pound. You could search on line for pure methyl cellulose. You can buy smaller quantities.
@@jaescala thanks for the response! Is it the same as hydroxypropyl methylcellulose? I found some of that online. I need it to use as a thickener.
@@davegoodwin1848 I am not familiar with the hydroxypropyl prefix. I have only purchased Methyl cellulose from art supply vendors to be used as a paste. The only thing I check is that it is pure and neutral ph. Sorry I am not much more help.
هل هذا صحي او غير صحي
I believe it to be healthy to use in book binding. I would not eat it.
أعتقد أنه من الصحي استخدامه لتجليد الكتب. لكنني لن آكله.
@@jaescala أنه مكتوب على علبت حليب جوز الهند وانا اتناوله مع جزيل الشكر
PVA is ?????
PVA stands for polyvinyl acetates. It is a versatile and flexible adhesive that does not yellow. In the United States it is sold by many companies such as Sobo, Lineco and Jade, to list a few. Hope this helps.
Not once it dries.
?? you whisked powder into water. wow that's it?
Yes, as simple as that. It helps to let it sit several hours to fully mix. Thanks for the comment.
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Oh no he's got a meth lab!!!
Two words,,,,,electric blender.
This comments and all bore I'm cool
Mix 1/8th a cup of what? This was painful to watch. thanks
Sorry for the confusion. The 1/8th cup that I mix in the distilled water is methyl cellulose powder.
for the non-telepathic non-geniuses.. non expert video makers .. what might happen to be the white powder?
Hi, It is Methyl Cellulose. Easily found in art supply stores or book binding material suppliers. As illustrated, when mixed with water, it makes a paste.
thanks jim -- found some online at amazon (where but..?) but quite likely way more pricey than other places --- will look out for it. was in fact looking for a recipe for the substance MC itself as opposed to the concocted product but am getting the idea that iit's probably a more intensive chemical process than say lactose plastic and that kinda thing. thanks anyway!