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Toranaga moved quickly and told the Portuguese what he knew so he could see if they’d make a move against John and thereby verify what he said as true AND because he is under a deadline with the regents voting on his fate. This show is excellence. Enjoy!
Toranaga tested John words about the Portugese intent and therefore he surmised they would come for the Anjin and that would prove the truth of his words about the Portugese. He also swapped rooms to test for spies. Any spy would relay the room swap back to the assassin. That didn't happen, the assassin went to the wrong room. Multiple plays at once. Such smart writing for a very smart character.
The dominance of the English as a naval powerhouse is still about 100 years away or so, perhaps a bit more. Keep in mind that John wasn't piloting for an English ship, it was a Dutch ship.
at the year 1600 it is the spanish and portugues that rule the seas, much thanks to all the gold they get from the catholic trade monopoly. after 1650 to 1700 it is the dutch that beat the crap out of everyone on the seas, they had inovated ship design and being a sailor was a highly regarded profession so the dutch had both the best ships and sailors. after 1700 it is the english.
@@jhulanwilson2649 Where did you hear that? Wasn't the Spanish Armada defeated by the English fleet, under the leadership of Lord Howard and Sir Francis Drake?
@@QuackAttack Yea and then the English tried to sail to Spain a bit later and got a large part of their fleet destroyed in return. It's the less known part of that story. In fact that attempted invasion was part of the conflict that Blackthorne is part of here. An alliance of England, the Dutch and Portugals who opose the personal union against the personal union of Spain and Portugal. At the time Spain and Portugal were the countries with the rich colonies that made them tons of money. England was pretty much relegated to finance privateers to steal a portion of that riches, but that was a coin toss and led to a few good years and many years where esspecially Spain got extremly richt and powerfull. The schoolbook story of the repelling of the Spanish Armada being the turning point on the sea and afterwars the English ruled the sea is a fairy tale and ignores the ~150 years before the Royal Navy actually could claim some form of dominance and until that actually became an unchallanged reality it took another 100 years (and then lasted for a few decades before other nations challanged it again). At the time it was pretty much a sittuation where the Spanis and Portugese could afford loseing ships/fleets and still rebuild while England could not. Which is why expedition like this one were pretty much always privatley funded high risk high reward operations.
@@QuackAttack it’s crazy how everyone knows about the disaster of the Spanish Armada but few know about the English also losing their fleet trying to invade Spain immediately after.
Without spoilers, I advise you to watch this show with your mind wide open and looking past the tropes and clichés of modern storytelling. This story forces you to go off the linear path. Also, the story teaches that people are neither good nor bad but rather are nuanced creatures with complexities that make them do what they do.
The division of the "unknown" world between Spain and Portugal was not only a real thing, but was even blessed by the Pope Alexander VI. who you may know as the infamous Rodrigo Borgia. The agreement from "about 80 years ago" John mentions is the Treaty of Zaragoza, signed on 22 April 1529. This followed the Treaty of Tordesillas from 7 June 1494, which was signed just two years after Christopher Columbus "discovered the new world". These treaties shaped South and Middle America as they are today, with a Portuguese speaking Brazil and the Spanish speaking rest. Macao on the chinese coast was a Portuguese tradepost and later colony until 1999. Regarding England as the dominant sea power of the future its first step was arguably set in 1588 when the Spanish Armada tried to conquer England and was beat back. One of the Vice Admirals of the english fleet in this battle was Sir Francis Drake. In the first episode John said that he had sailed under him. This is a nice parallel because Francis Drake was before serving in the Royal Navy infamously a very successful privateer. Which was basically a mercenary at sea, raiding only spanish and portuguese ships. John with his Dutch crew and ship is exactly the same, therefore he always denies throughout the show being a pirate but just serving his Queen (Elizabeth I.). Pirates were outlaws who attacked ships and bases and plundered them for their own gain and would be hanged when captured. Privateers in the contrary were considered combatants and to be treated as prisoners of war. Killing them in custody would be illegal. That's why the Jesuits enlist the christian/catholic lords to secretly get rid of John and don't do it themselves.
At the time the division also wasn't all that important given that Portugal and Spain were ruled by the same Monarch. Yes they were still different entities and made sure to express that. But in the book that point also was brought up, because this way Blackthrone could throw in some of the stuff the Spanish did to natives around the world (and with ,ercenaries they "borrowed" from Japan)
The first episode was great, but this was the episode made me realize that this show was gonna be something special. And i just watched the finale yesterday and will say this is the best show of the year so far. Looking forward to your reactions of what's to come! 👍
I know, my sister made me watch some Studio Ghibli movies, and I got sucked into the culture, and now I'm studying Japanese as a third language after Spanish and English
I am so thrilled you guys are watching this ... we finished it last week with the finale and I am still thinking about this show and the story and all the characters. It moved me immensely...
It gets better with each episode.....just wait!!! I suggest having tissues on hand for the later ones. Watched the finale and I am soooooo sad that it's over. This series HAS to win every award. Hiroyuki Sanada was brought on as the lead and a producer so he would have free reign to make the show as authentic as possible. The dedication and detail that went into this ....wow!!! The initial filming was actually scrapped several years ago because it wasn't considered good enough. FYI, Sanada San said in an interview that he recently completed filming scenes for Mortal Kombat 2!!!! Can't wait for your next reaction!
Finally getting into this show and it's surreal to get that extremely rare great adaptation of one of my favorite books...I mostly missed it with ASOIAF, picking the books up after season 1...that map drawing scene stands out so vividly in my memory from all those years ago...kind of a random comment but that scene is a standout in the books too and of course is packed with even more goodness. I highly recommend reading the book to anyone who doesn't mind letting the book take over from the great show.
I love that the show expects the audience to pay attention. The more you remember what people do or say, the more payoffs you notice later on, sometimes in pretty subtle ways.
One of the amazing things about this show is how much amazing acting is going on in the characters' faces and body movements. Even when they don't say a word, their reactions and tiny gestures mean a lot. Can't wait to watch you guys enjoy the ride!
Im so glad you guys are enjoying this as much as the rest of us. This show is simply amazing. The characters are fleshed out well. The cinematography is dazzling. Its just an absolute delight to look at. The wardrobe/costume design is perfect. The sets are magnificent. I look forward to your weely reactions.
Re-watching these episodes for reactors. This episode reminds me of a Japanese Koan that is taught to school children about the 3 great unifiers of Japan When asked what they would do with a bird who does not sing Oda Nobunaga (Kuroda) says "Kill It" Toyotomi Hideyoshi (Taiko) says "Coax it to sing" Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toronaga) says "Wait"
Fyi... Yoshii Toranaga is his name... but in Japanese, the surname comes first... Like Blackthorne John or Quinn Mason. So Toranaga is his given name, Yoshio is his line. Just as Toda Mariko, Toda Hiromatsu (Toranaga's number 1) and Toda Fuji (the one who lost her husband and child by seppuku in Ep 1) are all in the same family... (though Mariko is so by marriage to Buntaro, Hiromatsu's son and Fuji's uncle). Just a refresher because it seemed for a second that one of you were thinking his given name is Yoshii.
Shogun is playing around 1600, it will take at least 100 years more before the British Empire starts to take over sea power. By then Japan has closed its borders for foreigners again.
Arguably it takes even longer until England achieves dominance. In 1700 both France and Spain were still strong enough to rival England. I would argue the 7 years war is when England actually achieved a form of dominance (one might argue already a bit before in preperation but that is semantics, because until tested it wasn't yet a power they could project).
The priests are Portuguese and Jesuit, the priest in the prison is Spanish and Franciscan, that's why he was put there. The Jesuits were "given" Japan via the treaty mentioned and the Franciscan wasn't supposed to be there
Thank you for helping me to better understand the timeline. Just found out this is about twenty years before the 30 Years War (between Catholics and Protestants) in Europe.
This show is amazing. Great plot, great acting, costuming, set design and cinematography. It should easily win some emmys. Also... when we watching Banshee?????
Toranaga in the books is an order of magnitude more impressive than he's depicted in the show, imo. I understand that changes must be made in adaptation, and I don't think the show is bad for the decisions the show runners made regarding some of Toranaga's actions, but man, there a lot of really subtle maneuvering that got cut. As for British naval power: you've got to remember that Britain was a backwater in Europe at this time. They were still in the Middle Ages in a lot of ways. Other comments have said that their navy didn't really take off until sometime in the 1700s, which is true. However, (and this is my opinion as an amateur) I'd say the British Navy didn't become THE sea power until Trafalgar in 1805.
At any rate, both are well over a century away from this story. Also... although i agree to an extent about Toranaga in the book... but the book let us into his thoughts, where here his actions have to speak for themselves... and throughout the series, the show did a great job of keeping US guessing, which is a great pov, and the times it lets us in on these characters are very well acted.
@@GhostWatcher2024 I agree the show is good, and a good adaptation (as far as I've watched--I haven't finished the series yet). You're right that the limited pov in the show really cuts out a lot of the subtlety the book depicts.
@@kengo7273 Yes, and that was devastating for the Spanish navy, but it didn’t catapult the British into first place. The British had the home field advantage and some fortuitous weather that really helped them out, I believe. Check me on it.
In the mid-17th century, before the first British colonial empire was established, Spain and Portugal decided to divide and rule the world through the Treaty of Tordesillas. Eventually Spain gained hegemony in Europe. Philip II ruled over Christianity and Portugal, commanded a powerful fleet, and controlled world maritime trade. They then attempted to use Japan's military power, which had succeeded in domestically producing guns, to conquer China (Ming Dynasty). The method of increasing the number of Christian feudal lords through Christian missionary work, increasing their political power, and controlling them as territories was a specialty of Spain's strategy for world conquest. At that time, Japan's silver production exceeded one-third of the world's trade, and the Netherlands, which became independent from Spain, established the East India Company and exported cannons and gunpowder to export Japanese silver. It was successful. By teaching Ieyasu about Spanish conspiracies and driving out Christianity and Spain, only the Netherlands, which pursued only profit, continued to trade with Japan even during the Edo period of national isolation.
You guys should really really REALLY watch The Last Kingdom. It is suchan underrated show. great drama and fights but also a fight between power and religion similiar to this one. please check it out
One of those rare shows that actually does justice to the book! I have read it almost 40 years ago and still remember clearly everything. It is that good. Glad to see you guys appreciate the subtleties of the plot, the acting and the dialogues.
Oh my gosh! YES! 5:29 made me smile & giggle with that '10 things I hate about you' film reference haha 😂 That whole scene with Toranaga & John where his drawing in the sand was intense & incredible! & that ending left me intrigued & wanting more! Awesome content again guys! 🙂
This show gets better and better, and the final episode is a beautiful gut punch. Also, ya'll NEED to react to Schitt's Creek. It would be such a good pairing.
I like the unless you win line in the book better. There the conversation goes into the war between the Spain (which hat a personal union with Portugal at the time) and England and the Netherlands. And the fact that the Netherlands technically were in rebellion against the Spanish. Toronaga then stated that there is no excuse for rebellion to which Blackthorn points out there is a justification though: "Winning"
The "how many times you bathe" scene is hilarious. As South East Asian myself, yes we bathe every day, even twice a day (here, the sun is a deadly lazer). But now I too wonder. How many times do you people bathe in the West? Once everyday, or every week? Because when I see Hollywood movies or series, people just straight go work/school after waking up. Some just brushing their teeth. No baths, at all. So, I can't tell if this is realistic or not.
So, today, it depends on where one lives -- people in very hot/humid places in the US tend to bathe (well, shower) multiple times a day. (For example, in Arizona, a desert state that can nearly hit 50C on its hottest days, two or three showers a day is not unusual). Even in more temperate areas, most everyone showers every day (when people shower is more variable -- showers just before bed are not uncommon). Other more activity based showering also gets mixed in, like it'd be considered rude to not shower after working out. Overall, I don't think we're that different than you at this point.
You guys should definitely watch some other Animated "kids" shows. Since you liked Avatar, I would recommend Tales of Arcadia, Gravity Falls, and (not kids shows) Rick and Morty, and Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
Hey! I wanted to let you guys know, if you didn't hear, that the Lord of the Rings trilogy is having a special return to theaters the (i believe) 8-10th of June - with a special remastered extended edition. I know how much you guys appreciate a good theater experience, and I wanted to make sure you all knew so that if you're interested you don't miss it. Anyways, best wishes!
England is just launching to naval superiority during this time period we're seeing. Bolstered by royal marriage ties and shared embrace of Protestant religions, the Dutch and the English are working as top-of-the-line naval powerhouses. In 1588, 12 years prior, the Spanish Armada had been defeated by the English, which severely weakened the Naval Superiority of Spain and allowed England to overtake her chief rival in the exploration/exploitation/colonization game. The Erasmus is a top war dog out in the oceans 'today', during Shogun. The presence of the English pilot on the Dutch expedition is also not unusual given the countries's ties to each other at that time. In the book the Portuguese and the Jesuits are crapping their pants because the absolute menacing threat that is represented by the Erasmus. Especially if captained by an English Pilot, who could train a fanatically-obedient samurai crew quite easily to marry the ferocity of Japanese fighting spirit with the meanest, fastest, most deadly ship in the whole region, under command of a privateer with a grudge. The Black Ship is too bulky and doesn't maneuver for shit, and will be ladened down with trade goods and Japanese silver by the ton. Under maritime rules because Blackthorne has letters of Marque, he could legally attack the Black Ship and seize her and her cargo as trophies of war, and every single Portuguese leader in Japan knows it.
I'm so happy you are watching this series 😅.. I watched the 1980's mini serious back in the days ... and loved it !.. Watched again during the pandemic time; loved it !. Then heard about the 2024 series coming soon and decided to her the audible book.. And it is so amazing!! You got to read or hear 😂 really gives you a real good idea what it's all about 😂.. I well watch you guys how you react about the serious because l love your reaction. Love your chancel !!..
If I would tell you guys one thing is to stop expecting tropes. When you expect things to go in a trope way you miss or misinterprete things that's laid out b4 you. There's no one side is good or bad people do thi gs that benefits them.all have their issues. And just because Mariko is a woman doesn't mean her dark confessions are sexual in nature. Your western trope is showing in that take. Remember these events and characters are based on real life people. After the series end I suggest you watch the countless videos on these real life people in a RUclips video or on your own. You'll find that the real life things are just as exciting as the show. IMO
to answer your question about the Royal Navy achieving dominance on the World stage, that happened in 1805 after the Battle of Trafalgar. During this time period the Spanish Navy was actually the most powerful in the World but it was on the decline after the debacle of the Spanish Armada in 1588 and countries like Portugal, England and Holland were making huge inroads on their dominance
Timeline wise, this is 1600, Shakespere is an active playwright. Queen Elizabeth reigns. Spain began trying to invade England twelve years prior, and will continue to do so till a year after this takes place. The English were not yet dominant, but you can see the patterns going in their favor. (Their navel tactics were vastly superior -- relying on reliable and accurate canon.) The real life guy that Blackthorn is based on (William Adams) took part in the defense against the Spanish Armada.
This show does move fast.... for instance the show makes it seem John only spent an afternoon in prison... in the book it was several days (more than 1 week?) And he learned a bit more about Japan from the Franciscan friar. John really had time to soak in how absolutely effed he was. But this is no different than a lot of shows that compress time... like in forensics shows, forensics processing takes just a few hours (as if it's the ONLY case), and from hearing to trial is practically overnight rather than weeks.
actually for a period of history in japan the shogun was the most powerful leader of the country but let me tell you the shogun is actually not the emperor the emperor is someone else and he is always there but during the shogun period the emperor didnt have much power soo he was not the most powerful leader of the country now you will ask then who is shogun well shogun were the military leader of the country like the chief of army and navy and since it was the period of samurai the shogun basically controlled all the samurai of the country and that gave him the edge over the emperor
After the events of The Ones who Live and the coming of DD season 2 and Dead City season 2, do u think they will skip Rick and Michonnes timeline forward to match with the dead city timeline and that way we could get a possible Maggie and Rick reunion in dead city season 2 on maggies part of the dead city show
Funny and sad how a good story became so rare, people actually amazed when a tv show actually... shows something. Characters, actions, developments! That said, ofc, a phenomenal series. As close to 10 as a history-based show can be
You have the catholics and the protestants but you also have the division of the Catholics Jesuits with Alvito and the Catholics Franciscans with Friar Domingo the priest in jail.
I think they should watch some more sci-fi before dark, I remember they were able to follow it but were getting confused in Loki when it has very little time travel mechanics, I would love for them to watch it but just don't want them not being able to follow it.. (brain melting is common while watching dark but if you don't have the slightest hook to keep you going you can't watch it anymore) I am not saying they are not smart, I am just saying we need to familiarise them with more time travel media before Dark.
@@NinaPB I if the reacted to it I will be there no matter what! I love the series to death but I am just saying if they can't understand time travel mechanics and family lines even a bit, it will become a chore for them that is what I don't want to happen I them to love it as much as I did! They were getting confused in Loki for some parts which is not at all complicated with that in mind I said they should watch some time travel stuff before Dark.
Luckily there is the official Dark Website to keep track of the family tree without getting spoiled. Plus, taking notes is very helpful as well. I just thought they could have fun with this show, trying to figure out what is going on. For me this show is just mind blowing
FYI, there is no reported Season 2 going forward as this is considered a mini-series rather than a multi-year show. Maybe that will change but right now it is a one-off
Greetings Everyone. I really like youre reactions to movies and tv shows. But Shogun (Without spoilers) is as disrespecfull to the book as if someone told the story of our lives not telling important moments, adding non existing, and shortening to an extend that "holes" may never be filled. The japanese Ladies in the book are pretty, James Clavel description is breathtaking, and the Lady Ochiba, Kiku and Mariko in the show; they are gorgeous, but they are not even close to the original. I would really like to have a chat with you all to explain and add to the story. Knowing it is almost impossible I am happy to say that you enjoy the story so far. Y love the book, and the Asian Saga of Clavel is awesome. Thank you for reading my comment. Bliss you all.
The Spanish and Portuguese did do what John stated around the world lol they were terrible hence why a lot of countries have European languages as their second language. Slave trade etc. Japan were bad too they were the big bad bullies of the east
Another power house of an episode and that ending! What was your reaction? What did we miss?
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Can you guys react to another movie with ATJ?
Yup.
Anyone else going around watching shogun reactions to deal with the post good story depression?
Watching after the dream of a good finale. It was just a dream.
I was already doing that during the show so now bad medicine doing the show is just a plus for me
Right here
That and rewatching the show with my friends to introduce them to it.
Like everyone else, can't get enough
Toranaga moved quickly and told the Portuguese what he knew so he could see if they’d make a move against John and thereby verify what he said as true AND because he is under a deadline with the regents voting on his fate. This show is excellence. Enjoy!
Toranaga tested John words about the Portugese intent and therefore he surmised they would come for the Anjin and that would prove the truth of his words about the Portugese. He also swapped rooms to test for spies. Any spy would relay the room swap back to the assassin. That didn't happen, the assassin went to the wrong room. Multiple plays at once. Such smart writing for a very smart character.
The dominance of the English as a naval powerhouse is still about 100 years away or so, perhaps a bit more. Keep in mind that John wasn't piloting for an English ship, it was a Dutch ship.
at the year 1600 it is the spanish and portugues that rule the seas, much thanks to all the gold they get from the catholic trade monopoly. after 1650 to 1700 it is the dutch that beat the crap out of everyone on the seas, they had inovated ship design and being a sailor was a highly regarded profession so the dutch had both the best ships and sailors. after 1700 it is the english.
The English fleet was destroyed by the Spanish armada ten years prior to the events of the show. John was the captain of a supply ship.
@@jhulanwilson2649 Where did you hear that? Wasn't the Spanish Armada defeated by the English fleet, under the leadership of Lord Howard and Sir Francis Drake?
@@QuackAttack Yea and then the English tried to sail to Spain a bit later and got a large part of their fleet destroyed in return. It's the less known part of that story. In fact that attempted invasion was part of the conflict that Blackthorne is part of here. An alliance of England, the Dutch and Portugals who opose the personal union against the personal union of Spain and Portugal.
At the time Spain and Portugal were the countries with the rich colonies that made them tons of money. England was pretty much relegated to finance privateers to steal a portion of that riches, but that was a coin toss and led to a few good years and many years where esspecially Spain got extremly richt and powerfull.
The schoolbook story of the repelling of the Spanish Armada being the turning point on the sea and afterwars the English ruled the sea is a fairy tale and ignores the ~150 years before the Royal Navy actually could claim some form of dominance and until that actually became an unchallanged reality it took another 100 years (and then lasted for a few decades before other nations challanged it again).
At the time it was pretty much a sittuation where the Spanis and Portugese could afford loseing ships/fleets and still rebuild while England could not. Which is why expedition like this one were pretty much always privatley funded high risk high reward operations.
@@QuackAttack it’s crazy how everyone knows about the disaster of the Spanish Armada but few know about the English also losing their fleet trying to invade Spain immediately after.
Toranaga is playing 3D chess and everyone else is playing checkers.
Literally. Reading the book made him seem like god level omniscient
Without spoilers, I advise you to watch this show with your mind wide open and looking past the tropes and clichés of modern storytelling. This story forces you to go off the linear path.
Also, the story teaches that people are neither good nor bad but rather are nuanced creatures with complexities that make them do what they do.
The division of the "unknown" world between Spain and Portugal was not only a real thing, but was even blessed by the Pope Alexander VI. who you may know as the infamous Rodrigo Borgia. The agreement from "about 80 years ago" John mentions is the Treaty of Zaragoza, signed on 22 April 1529. This followed the Treaty of Tordesillas from 7 June 1494, which was signed just two years after Christopher Columbus "discovered the new world". These treaties shaped South and Middle America as they are today, with a Portuguese speaking Brazil and the Spanish speaking rest. Macao on the chinese coast was a Portuguese tradepost and later colony until 1999. Regarding England as the dominant sea power of the future its first step was arguably set in 1588 when the Spanish Armada tried to conquer England and was beat back. One of the Vice Admirals of the english fleet in this battle was Sir Francis Drake. In the first episode John said that he had sailed under him. This is a nice parallel because Francis Drake was before serving in the Royal Navy infamously a very successful privateer. Which was basically a mercenary at sea, raiding only spanish and portuguese ships. John with his Dutch crew and ship is exactly the same, therefore he always denies throughout the show being a pirate but just serving his Queen (Elizabeth I.). Pirates were outlaws who attacked ships and bases and plundered them for their own gain and would be hanged when captured. Privateers in the contrary were considered combatants and to be treated as prisoners of war. Killing them in custody would be illegal. That's why the Jesuits enlist the christian/catholic lords to secretly get rid of John and don't do it themselves.
At the time the division also wasn't all that important given that Portugal and Spain were ruled by the same Monarch. Yes they were still different entities and made sure to express that. But in the book that point also was brought up, because this way Blackthrone could throw in some of the stuff the Spanish did to natives around the world (and with ,ercenaries they "borrowed" from Japan)
Hiroyuki is so perfectly cast for this. He looks equal parts patrician and menacing, like the falcons he trains.
The first episode was great, but this was the episode made me realize that this show was gonna be something special. And i just watched the finale yesterday and will say this is the best show of the year so far. Looking forward to your reactions of what's to come! 👍
OMG- the show just kept getting better and better. The last 2 eps absolutely shattered me.
There is something just mersmerizing about Japanese culture, you can't help but be in awe.
I know, my sister made me watch some Studio Ghibli movies, and I got sucked into the culture, and now I'm studying Japanese as a third language after Spanish and English
I am so thrilled you guys are watching this ... we finished it last week with the finale and I am still thinking about this show and the story and all the characters. It moved me immensely...
It gets better with each episode.....just wait!!! I suggest having tissues on hand for the later ones. Watched the finale and I am soooooo sad that it's over. This series HAS to win every award. Hiroyuki Sanada was brought on as the lead and a producer so he would have free reign to make the show as authentic as possible. The dedication and detail that went into this ....wow!!! The initial filming was actually scrapped several years ago because it wasn't considered good enough. FYI, Sanada San said in an interview that he recently completed filming scenes for Mortal Kombat 2!!!! Can't wait for your next reaction!
"Unless I win". Just like that Toranaga is like this dude is interesting. John drawing the map of the world is definitely a stand out scene (so good).
Finally getting into this show and it's surreal to get that extremely rare great adaptation of one of my favorite books...I mostly missed it with ASOIAF, picking the books up after season 1...that map drawing scene stands out so vividly in my memory from all those years ago...kind of a random comment but that scene is a standout in the books too and of course is packed with even more goodness. I highly recommend reading the book to anyone who doesn't mind letting the book take over from the great show.
But once the show ends, the book will be a pretty great expansion/revisit.
This show is a MASTER CLASS of acting & storytelling. Love it ❤!!! So pumped yall are watching this incredible series!! Thanks fellas❤💞❤️
James Clavell was such a great writer
@@Vengean. absolutely ❤️
I love that the show expects the audience to pay attention. The more you remember what people do or say, the more payoffs you notice later on, sometimes in pretty subtle ways.
One of the amazing things about this show is how much amazing acting is going on in the characters' faces and body movements. Even when they don't say a word, their reactions and tiny gestures mean a lot. Can't wait to watch you guys enjoy the ride!
Im so glad you guys are enjoying this as much as the rest of us. This show is simply amazing. The characters are fleshed out well. The cinematography is dazzling. Its just an absolute delight to look at. The wardrobe/costume design is perfect. The sets are magnificent. I look forward to your weely reactions.
Re-watching these episodes for reactors. This episode reminds me of a Japanese Koan that is taught to school children about the 3 great unifiers of Japan
When asked what they would do with a bird who does not sing
Oda Nobunaga (Kuroda) says "Kill It"
Toyotomi Hideyoshi (Taiko) says "Coax it to sing"
Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toronaga) says "Wait"
Fyi... Yoshii Toranaga is his name... but in Japanese, the surname comes first...
Like Blackthorne John or Quinn Mason. So Toranaga is his given name, Yoshio is his line.
Just as Toda Mariko, Toda Hiromatsu (Toranaga's number 1) and Toda Fuji (the one who lost her husband and child by seppuku in Ep 1) are all in the same family... (though Mariko is so by marriage to Buntaro, Hiromatsu's son and Fuji's uncle).
Just a refresher because it seemed for a second that one of you were thinking his given name is Yoshii.
Man I wish this show was longer than 10 episodes
This show is one of the best if the year, and I clicked on your reaction as soon as it showed up in my feed. I’m glad you’re enjoying it thus far!
Having already finished the series and watching your reactions now, I'm finding myself blown away with all the foreshadowing in this episode 👀
#iykyk
I started this show because of you and this is so good this show. Much love ❤
Shogun is playing around 1600, it will take at least 100 years more before the British Empire starts to take over sea power.
By then Japan has closed its borders for foreigners again.
Arguably it takes even longer until England achieves dominance. In 1700 both France and Spain were still strong enough to rival England. I would argue the 7 years war is when England actually achieved a form of dominance (one might argue already a bit before in preperation but that is semantics, because until tested it wasn't yet a power they could project).
The priests are Portuguese and Jesuit, the priest in the prison is Spanish and Franciscan, that's why he was put there. The Jesuits were "given" Japan via the treaty mentioned and the Franciscan wasn't supposed to be there
honestly one of the best series ive watched in a long time
The rise of British Navy started around mid 1500 to mid 1600 and this is around 1600 so "in progress" on the uptick at that moment in time
Thank you for helping me to better understand the timeline. Just found out this is about twenty years before the 30 Years War (between Catholics and Protestants) in Europe.
@@sawanna508 i think they reference the battle of Malta being about 40 years prior and it was 1565
This show is amazing. Great plot, great acting, costuming, set design and cinematography. It should easily win some emmys. Also... when we watching Banshee?????
Now Banshee is a great show..
Toranaga in the books is an order of magnitude more impressive than he's depicted in the show, imo. I understand that changes must be made in adaptation, and I don't think the show is bad for the decisions the show runners made regarding some of Toranaga's actions, but man, there a lot of really subtle maneuvering that got cut.
As for British naval power: you've got to remember that Britain was a backwater in Europe at this time. They were still in the Middle Ages in a lot of ways. Other comments have said that their navy didn't really take off until sometime in the 1700s, which is true. However, (and this is my opinion as an amateur) I'd say the British Navy didn't become THE sea power until Trafalgar in 1805.
At any rate, both are well over a century away from this story.
Also... although i agree to an extent about Toranaga in the book... but the book let us into his thoughts, where here his actions have to speak for themselves... and throughout the series, the show did a great job of keeping US guessing, which is a great pov, and the times it lets us in on these characters are very well acted.
@@GhostWatcher2024 I agree the show is good, and a good adaptation (as far as I've watched--I haven't finished the series yet). You're right that the limited pov in the show really cuts out a lot of the subtlety the book depicts.
And by the Battle of Trafalgar the Japanese were 200 years into the Tokugawa Shogunate which lasted for 260 years until the Meiji Restoration
In 1588, during the Anglo-Spanish War (1585-1604), the Spanish Armada was defeated by the English Navy.
@@kengo7273 Yes, and that was devastating for the Spanish navy, but it didn’t catapult the British into first place. The British had the home field advantage and some fortuitous weather that really helped them out, I believe. Check me on it.
Such a great Episode, and the actors are so good. I love the Set's and costume's!! Great reaction guy's... ☯︎✌︎☮︎
In the mid-17th century, before the first British colonial empire was established, Spain and Portugal decided to divide and rule the world through the Treaty of Tordesillas. Eventually Spain gained hegemony in Europe. Philip II ruled over Christianity and Portugal, commanded a powerful fleet, and controlled world maritime trade.
They then attempted to use Japan's military power, which had succeeded in domestically producing guns, to conquer China (Ming Dynasty). The method of increasing the number of Christian feudal lords through Christian missionary work, increasing their political power, and controlling them as territories was a specialty of Spain's strategy for world conquest.
At that time, Japan's silver production exceeded one-third of the world's trade, and the Netherlands, which became independent from Spain, established the East India Company and exported cannons and gunpowder to export Japanese silver. It was successful. By teaching Ieyasu about Spanish conspiracies and driving out Christianity and Spain, only the Netherlands, which pursued only profit, continued to trade with Japan even during the Edo period of national isolation.
Hell yeah! This is where it gets interesting
You guys should really really REALLY watch The Last Kingdom. It is suchan underrated show. great drama and fights but also a fight between power and religion similiar to this one. please check it out
One of those rare shows that actually does justice to the book! I have read it almost 40 years ago and still remember clearly everything. It is that good. Glad to see you guys appreciate the subtleties of the plot, the acting and the dialogues.
Next Series for these 4 awesome dudes has to be REACHER
Oh my gosh! YES! 5:29 made me smile & giggle with that '10 things I hate about you' film reference haha 😂
That whole scene with Toranaga & John where his drawing in the sand was intense & incredible! & that ending left me intrigued & wanting more! Awesome content again guys! 🙂
This show gets better and better, and the final episode is a beautiful gut punch.
Also, ya'll NEED to react to Schitt's Creek. It would be such a good pairing.
9:12 This is democracy manifest!
Fun fact, this show is filmed in BC Canada.
Spot on, Quinn! He sounds like Russell Crowe 😂
I like the unless you win line in the book better. There the conversation goes into the war between the Spain (which hat a personal union with Portugal at the time) and England and the Netherlands. And the fact that the Netherlands technically were in rebellion against the Spanish. Toronaga then stated that there is no excuse for rebellion to which Blackthorn points out there is a justification though: "Winning"
The "how many times you bathe" scene is hilarious. As South East Asian myself, yes we bathe every day, even twice a day (here, the sun is a deadly lazer). But now I too wonder. How many times do you people bathe in the West? Once everyday, or every week? Because when I see Hollywood movies or series, people just straight go work/school after waking up. Some just brushing their teeth. No baths, at all. So, I can't tell if this is realistic or not.
So, today, it depends on where one lives -- people in very hot/humid places in the US tend to bathe (well, shower) multiple times a day. (For example, in Arizona, a desert state that can nearly hit 50C on its hottest days, two or three showers a day is not unusual). Even in more temperate areas, most everyone showers every day (when people shower is more variable -- showers just before bed are not uncommon). Other more activity based showering also gets mixed in, like it'd be considered rude to not shower after working out. Overall, I don't think we're that different than you at this point.
@@_iarna_ so it's not really realistic what is being portrayed in movies. Ok, thanks. Finally no more shower thoughts about this.
Can see the guys also loving shows like Dark, Mr Inbetween, Banshee & Warrior!
Well, I believe my opinion on Banshee has been made clear. Lol but yeah, Warrior would also be amazing!
Banshee and Mr Inbetween
Dark might be a bit too plot-heavy for them. I don't get the vibe that they like plot stuff, they seem to like more action / valuable lesson stuff.
@@Cronus111 Yes Mr Inbetween! Barry got all the love it should've got :(
@@Atrulion That's why I listed both Banshee & Warrior :)
You guys should definitely watch some other Animated "kids" shows. Since you liked Avatar, I would recommend Tales of Arcadia, Gravity Falls, and (not kids shows) Rick and Morty, and Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
I also recommend the Netflix version of Voltron. It's animated by the same studio that did Legend of Korra.
FMAB*
@jcastrowhite08 yeah ur right mb
No thanks lol
@@ladyhotep5189 wdym
The reason why Blackthorne refused to bathe is because back then is was believed in England that bathing frequently would cause dysentery.
Hey! I wanted to let you guys know, if you didn't hear, that the Lord of the Rings trilogy is having a special return to theaters the (i believe) 8-10th of June - with a special remastered extended edition. I know how much you guys appreciate a good theater experience, and I wanted to make sure you all knew so that if you're interested you don't miss it. Anyways, best wishes!
Definitely bloodhounds you guys would LOVE the action in it
England is just launching to naval superiority during this time period we're seeing. Bolstered by royal marriage ties and shared embrace of Protestant religions, the Dutch and the English are working as top-of-the-line naval powerhouses.
In 1588, 12 years prior, the Spanish Armada had been defeated by the English, which severely weakened the Naval Superiority of Spain and allowed England to overtake her chief rival in the exploration/exploitation/colonization game. The Erasmus is a top war dog out in the oceans 'today', during Shogun. The presence of the English pilot on the Dutch expedition is also not unusual given the countries's ties to each other at that time. In the book the Portuguese and the Jesuits are crapping their pants because the absolute menacing threat that is represented by the Erasmus. Especially if captained by an English Pilot, who could train a fanatically-obedient samurai crew quite easily to marry the ferocity of Japanese fighting spirit with the meanest, fastest, most deadly ship in the whole region, under command of a privateer with a grudge. The Black Ship is too bulky and doesn't maneuver for shit, and will be ladened down with trade goods and Japanese silver by the ton. Under maritime rules because Blackthorne has letters of Marque, he could legally attack the Black Ship and seize her and her cargo as trophies of war, and every single Portuguese leader in Japan knows it.
Excited for the next one!
I'm so happy you are watching this series 😅.. I watched the 1980's mini serious back in the days ... and loved it !.. Watched again during the pandemic time; loved it !. Then heard about the 2024 series coming soon and decided to her the audible book.. And it is so amazing!! You got to read or hear 😂 really gives you a real good idea what it's all about 😂.. I well watch you guys how you react about the serious because l love your reaction. Love your chancel !!..
If I would tell you guys one thing is to stop expecting tropes. When you expect things to go in a trope way you miss or misinterprete things that's laid out b4 you. There's no one side is good or bad people do thi gs that benefits them.all have their issues. And just because Mariko is a woman doesn't mean her dark confessions are sexual in nature. Your western trope is showing in that take. Remember these events and characters are based on real life people. After the series end I suggest you watch the countless videos on these real life people in a RUclips video or on your own. You'll find that the real life things are just as exciting as the show. IMO
to answer your question about the Royal Navy achieving dominance on the World stage, that happened in 1805 after the Battle of Trafalgar. During this time period the Spanish Navy was actually the most powerful in the World but it was on the decline after the debacle of the Spanish Armada in 1588 and countries like Portugal, England and Holland were making huge inroads on their dominance
"No, don't end." I said that from first episode until season finale.
5:29 missing massive plotlines due to Answer cracking shit jokes 😂😂 poor MQ & DD
Timeline wise, this is 1600, Shakespere is an active playwright. Queen Elizabeth reigns. Spain began trying to invade England twelve years prior, and will continue to do so till a year after this takes place. The English were not yet dominant, but you can see the patterns going in their favor. (Their navel tactics were vastly superior -- relying on reliable and accurate canon.) The real life guy that Blackthorn is based on (William Adams) took part in the defense against the Spanish Armada.
Hey guys y’all should watch Lovely Bones!! is a really good suspense kinda movie
Its mini series adaptastion from 80s there aren't season two just enjoy every moment of show and learn more about japaness culture each episode.
This show does move fast.... for instance the show makes it seem John only spent an afternoon in prison... in the book it was several days (more than 1 week?) And he learned a bit more about Japan from the Franciscan friar. John really had time to soak in how absolutely effed he was.
But this is no different than a lot of shows that compress time... like in forensics shows, forensics processing takes just a few hours (as if it's the ONLY case), and from hearing to trial is practically overnight rather than weeks.
Guys just drop Salaar ,can't wait any more 😅😢
actually for a period of history in japan the shogun was the most powerful leader of the country but let me tell you the shogun is actually not the emperor the emperor is someone else and he is always there but during the shogun period the emperor didnt have much power soo he was not the most powerful leader of the country now you will ask then who is shogun well shogun were the military leader of the country like the chief of army and navy and since it was the period of samurai the shogun basically controlled all the samurai of the country and that gave him the edge over the emperor
After the events of The Ones who Live and the coming of DD season 2 and Dead City season 2, do u think they will skip Rick and Michonnes timeline forward to match with the dead city timeline and that way we could get a possible Maggie and Rick reunion in dead city season 2 on maggies part of the dead city show
Funny and sad how a good story became so rare, people actually amazed when a tv show actually... shows something. Characters, actions, developments! That said, ofc, a phenomenal series. As close to 10 as a history-based show can be
You have the catholics and the protestants but you also have the division of the Catholics Jesuits with Alvito and the Catholics Franciscans with Friar Domingo the priest in jail.
i really would hate to play chess with toranaga
Looks like Bald Medicine.
Great!
you guys should react to the pretige from christopher nolan
I think you guys would really enjoy DARK - fantastic tv show!!
Yes!
I think they should watch some more sci-fi before dark, I remember they were able to follow it but were getting confused in Loki when it has very little time travel mechanics, I would love for them to watch it but just don't want them not being able to follow it.. (brain melting is common while watching dark but if you don't have the slightest hook to keep you going you can't watch it anymore) I am not saying they are not smart, I am just saying we need to familiarise them with more time travel media before Dark.
@@knaditya8228 OR we can trust grown men to figure things out. Dark isn’t THAT complicated. I think they’d be fine.
@@NinaPB I if the reacted to it I will be there no matter what! I love the series to death but I am just saying if they can't understand time travel mechanics and family lines even a bit, it will become a chore for them that is what I don't want to happen I them to love it as much as I did! They were getting confused in Loki for some parts which is not at all complicated with that in mind I said they should watch some time travel stuff before Dark.
Luckily there is the official Dark Website to keep track of the family tree without getting spoiled. Plus, taking notes is very helpful as well. I just thought they could have fun with this show, trying to figure out what is going on. For me this show is just mind blowing
FYI, there is no reported Season 2 going forward as this is considered a mini-series rather than a multi-year show. Maybe that will change but right now it is a one-off
Considering the season ends where the book does... I'd say there'll be no season 2.
No it's just a mini-series just like the original series from 1980. Shogun is pretty faithful to the book. It's a one off.
Lets gooooooooo
If you guys want a 4d Chess mind game characters, watch the Anime *"Classroom of the Elite"* after AOT
Hey guys
the real johns name is william adams. idk why the name change, i prefer the real life name
Greetings Everyone.
I really like youre reactions to movies and tv shows. But Shogun (Without spoilers) is as disrespecfull to the book as if someone told the story of our lives not telling important moments, adding non existing, and shortening to an extend that "holes" may never be filled. The japanese Ladies in the book are pretty, James Clavel description is breathtaking, and the Lady Ochiba, Kiku and Mariko in the show; they are gorgeous, but they are not even close to the original. I would really like to have a chat with you all to explain and add to the story. Knowing it is almost impossible I am happy to say that you enjoy the story so far. Y love the book, and the Asian Saga of Clavel is awesome. Thank you for reading my comment. Bliss you all.
My younger brother watched it a couple of days ago
The Spanish and Portuguese did do what John stated around the world lol they were terrible hence why a lot of countries have European languages as their second language. Slave trade etc. Japan were bad too they were the big bad bullies of the east
damn I'm early
I protest the treatment of the finale.
Please, refrain from spoiling like this. Let the guys watch this without any premonitions.
@@KristiinaBerg This guy is a royal dick wherever he goes and lives up to his handle.
It's accurate to the book. But don't saying thing please. No spoilers.
U guys should react to one punch man it’s a very good starter anime
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE react to HOLES it's such an underrated Disney classic. if you've never seen it you won't be disappointed!!
Second here
Next hindi movie animal❤
React to Rick and Morty🙏
React to Peaky blinder better than this show .! ❤
Disagree, first of all Shogun is a miniseries and PB was a multi season series. So quite different. Both are excellent in their own ways.
i love you guys but y'all take too long between videos 😭😭