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Fyi unless I missed yall saying this...that was the army's camp that got completely wiped out by the landslide. So way more impactful cause Toronago just lost all his men! That's very crucial moving forward knowing that he now has no full army with him
To be clear: Toranaga didnt say find me a NEW spy.... but rather he was telling his spy to shift the suspicion onto someone else (because Omi was looking for the spy)...and it was just convenient that Ueijro was executed.... otherwise the spy would have had to basically sentence some innocent to death to maintain the secret. Even in death Uejiro was fulfilling a purpose.
Fuji said that Muraji as the headman said that someone should steal the pheasant. Muraji knew the consequence was death, he made that decision so someone would do it and die as per John's word, so he could then plant the false evidence on them. It's kinda subtle to catch on a first time watch, since the scene is focused on the shock of Uejiro's death. But technically it was Muraji who pushed for it to happen, it wasn't John's or Fuji's fault, since the matter probably could have waited until John came back and they clarified what should be done with him. It is doubly sad since it seemed like Uejiro was friendly with Muraji too, we see them hanging out in the background of some scenes.
Mariko didn't want John to get Buntero drunk because she knew he would beat her. In the book, John didn't see Mariko immediately after the beating. She was so badly beaten that it took her weeks to recover. She refused to let him see her for that whole time, fearing that he would come after Buntero in a rage. Buntero apologized to John because it was gravely impolite to destroy the harmony of your host's home, not, it should be emphasized, for the harm he did to his wife. You mentioned the fight John had with his men. In the book, there was a surprised and joyful reunion and a night of celebration. It only turned sour at the end, and even then, not on the part of all the men. It's been 48 years since I read the book, so I can't be very specific, but I think only one, two, or three men got belligerent with John. When John got home, he had a bath and had his clothes burned because they were full of fleas. The gardener was terminally ill, so it made sense for him to bury the pheasant. It was a serious infraction to bring disharmony to your neighbors, and the pheasant was foul smelling, brought flies, and they feared disease. So it was a very serious matter for the whole community. The gardener became a hero for his action, and Toranaga himself lent his very sharp sword for the beheading. This was a great honor and a very noble death, not some random criminal's death.
exactly, because john mentioned he did not even see the birth of his daughter because the vastness of the sea beaconed. he left his responsibilities to his family to volunteer. Yes john is a slave of his desires.
@@anxietyinducing6601 Kenny from AoT. Maybe you're right about Askeladd, but i watched AoT first, then Vinland Saga. So Kenny is the first character that came to my mind.
Dinner scene was incredible! Hope the move from a Ltd Series to 2 more seasons works out 🤞 Can see the show blowing up even more after winning ALL THE EMMYS like The Bear & Beef!
That was also western culture until the last century or so.. Your wife was your property, even John said it, and it was not illegal to beat your wife in western culture either.
When we have rapists caught red-handed and let off lightly, we can hardly say the US has any kind of cultural moral high ground of how to treat women. It wasn't even all that long ago that women couldn't vote or own checking accounts.
Every episode gets better and better. So glad you guys are reacting to this. I'm loving your emotions in this and felt the same way the first time I watched it!
him smashing his wife isn't their culture oak that why he left the house and bowed and apologized cause what he did was wrong especially knowing hes a samurai with honor. he was drunk probably his first time being that drunk since they don't drink like that normally it was out of character hence why he left the house that why john left him after he said sorry, hope that explains that oak that ain't Japanese .
No, he apologized for disturbing the peace of John's sleep in John's home/household (where he is a guest) and for making a loud spectacle of himself while drunk, and for upsetting the head of the household. He did not apologize for hitting his wife. John, similarly to the audience, mistakes the apology for Buntaro apologizing for hitting his wife. But if Buntaro really felt bad for hitting his wife, he would apologize to his wife, not to John. And even if he had apologized to Mariko for hitting her, the apology to John would still not be about the actual act of hitting Mariko, but for the misbehavior that he did apologize for.
The pheasant also symbolized the class differences, not just the cultural. John wasn't from high class like the place he lives now. People normally wouldn't hang the bird next to the house, but he doesn't know any better.
Lady Ochiba speaks for the heir, who is the one to legitimize the council members. Shes the most powerfull person in the country, until her son is old enough to reign.
@@SovermanandVioboy He would not be the emperor. Taiko isn't even a name. It's a specific honorary title in Japan, given to retired kampaku (chief advisor to the Emperor). In this story, the man carrying this title, like everyone else, is based on a real person, Toyotomi Hideyoshi. That real-life person was born a poor commoner, who through his own merit, raised in power and ranks in army (if I remember correctly, he started out as a sandals-bearer for some noble). And then later became the most powerful man in Japan, 2nd only to the Emperor. If you compare it with "Game of Thrones" ideas, Taiko would be similar to "The Hand". He is ruling the country, while the Emperor does... God knows what. According to historians, Taiko is a strange person to rule. Usually this type of ruler would be given the title "Shogun". However, for unknown reasons (or rather reasons that historians debate) he was instead given the title of the highest government official. Some historians say that Taiko didn't want to be Shogun and that certain aspects of his rule were easier without that title. Others say that he couldn't get that title, since only daimios (the highest level nobility) could get it. Toranaga is of high enough birth to get that title. However, the title "kanpaku" isn't taken out of thin air and there were others that ruled the country that were kanpaku, rather than shoguns. I don't know enough of Japanese history to understand the nuances. Shogun is supposed to be a military title, not the ruler of the country - but there has been such rulers. The reason to appoint an heir to this position, seemed to be to show some kind of continuity for the country, rather having a void that would end up with civil war and struggle for power.
It isn't clear what the "second season" is going to be. It might be an adaption of another of James Clavell's novels, most likely "Gai-jin" which takes place in 1862. That novel isn't as good as "Shogun. Also, it is highly unlikely that it will be a continuation with Toranaga, John, Fuji, etc. There is some history to be explored but it would require inventing the story rather than adapting one. In other words, I suggest getting excited about the news may not be warranted.
@@Rabbithole8 Yes it's not known yet whether it will be a continuation of these character's stories in the Shogun universe or another adaption of Clavell's other novels. FX and the writers would be wise to stick within the Shogun universe.
Just like sommeliers and wine producers make noise when tasting, even today Japanese people slurp and slurp when eating noodles in soup, in order to bring out the aroma.
I was confused myself why she would have that kind of power, but since she's queen consort. i think she controls the armies of the kid intil he comes of age.
She has no official power but like many mothers from history who's children became rulers too young, she speaks for the child and essentially has the power.
(not trying to be a dig at the guys here just a general commentary on reactions ive seen here) its interesting to me how many people have some awareness of the ways modern life leads to people with all their material needs met and almost all the freedom they could want who are depressed, listless, hopeless, etc, and can't at least understand, if not agree with, the concept that living just for freedom and for yourself with no higher purpose (whether its god, a lord, a cause, what have u) might be a type of prison in and of itself, and the way living for something besides yourself can be freeing. each way of living has its own negatives, but i think the positive of mariko's worldview is even when there's nothing in your own life that you feel like living for you never feel unfulfilled, useless, like your life in pointless, because you have a very specific meaning for your own life and a very clear path to honor. idk, i think this show could be an interesting mind-opener esp for some Americans if they allow it to be, again even if it doesn't end up changing ur outlook on life or freedom.
I think most people would consider it soul crushing to work a 9 to 5, come home and watch tv, and do nothing else besides social obligations that they would rather not attend. No goals, no passions, no cause. But for some people that's all they want, they consider that living the quiet easy life. I knew someone like that. All he wanted was to be left alone, work, come home, eat, play video games and go to sleep. He did his best to avoid seeing his family. He didn't have any friends or relationships. The only way he would do more than small talk was if we were discussing nerd culture. He told me most of this himself, without any shame. I would hate that, to play life on repeat without any growth or positive change.
19:36 Most American thing ever. It means having responsibilities. To others and to society and to a purpose larger than yourself. The kinds that are nor shaken off just because they become onerous.
Enjoy the Shogun reactions, thank you. I like your take on the culture aspect and not respecting some parts because it's wrong. Like how we treat animals in our current cultures, mass farming and killing them for our own pleasure when we don't need to.
Given that they have no source material like for the show and the real history is a phase of extreme political stability I'm actually not hyped. Sometimes it is best to let a good work of art stand on it's own rather than to ride the cash cow to the bitter end.
@@SovermanandVioboy It started before and was just interrupted by one rebellion (at least as long as we count serious challanges). And that one was smacked down hard.
@@heathen-heart there is a reason the author went the anthology series route with his books. This is a bit like GoT you write about the war of the roses not about the time in England after it was resolved. Yes there is a lot of history on the Shogunate and there is Intrige to be had. But a lot more low key and not about big power grabs that will have visible consequences. People competed about who is the person who can "advice" the ruler rather than be the ruler. And it was a lot less violence and a lot more sideline a person by "promoting" them to a post far away from the centre of power kind of way. If they had been bold and announced we do something about China, Korea or even a prequel or a time jump to the end of the Shogunate all that would have been great But as far as it stands so far they want to use some of the same characters and sorry but I just don't see it. They have to kind of either go the Blackthorn gets his Chance to go after Portugal shipping route or the Shogunate is actually challenged route. Both not what I would be interested to see. The first would invalidate the subversion of the white saviour trope that Shogun is. The audience is lured into thinking Blackthorne's plans or knowledge is important at several points. Only to learn he was at best a pawn at worst a court jester. The second would be much alt history for me and also invalidate the victory gained. The whole point was that the victory was total enough to secure a stable Dynasty.
Guys, that wasnt Mariko. It really was a consort (its like that in the book and old tv series). The point is Mariko gave the consort her perfume, to make Blackthorne actually pillow. The morning scene is more awkward in the book and old show, because Anjin actually asks if it was her.
Japanese culture is weird. Why turn down the rabbit stew so directly? Wouldn't it be considered polite to eat some? The pheasant I get, but the stew was prob delicious. I've read the books so I kno this is extra, but I wonder why they made this narrative choice.
I think it was because of Buntaro's presence. The ladies probably didn't want him to see them relax and try out a barbarian's food. If he wasn't there, I think they would've tried it at least.
At that time, most Japanese were vegetarians (more accurately, pescatarians). They would eat fish and seafood, but not mammals and birds. The scene also is meant to display the racism and ethnocentrism from the side of the Japanese as Buntaro mocks Blackthorn, calling him a monkey.
@@itslaylalayla I didn't mean it in a bad way. I love their culture. My point was they generally make a big deal out of being polite, so I was surprised they turned down his stew.
@@Rabbithole8 I get all that, but appreciate the comment. I supposed their politeness would overcome their dietary discretion. They treat Blackthorn as a barbarian but aren't willing to try any of his ways. I find that era of Japan fascinating. The show is stellar.
Lady Ochiba was not a queen. Taiko was basically just a title of (retired) high level government official. Kind of a Prime Minster Emeritus, since he ruled the country (or "The Retired Hand" if you want to compare with Game of Thrones). There was still an Emperor, but we never get to see or hear of him. The Taiko couldn't be a Shogun due to... politics (he was just a poor commoner by birth). So he was a Shogun in all but name.
Mariko is basically saying that "freedom" ironically does not make a person free. It's purpose (and community), that makes a person truly free. And as you will see, Mariko has plenty of purpose.
It is multilayered and that is what makes the writing so great. Part of it is what you stated, and also the Buddhist concept of no-self: one must become free of the self which is illusionary. Related to this, If one is constantly seeking freedom the person is like a prisoner who seeks to escape their jail cell only to be returned to their captivity. If one is free, one does not keep talking about their freedom.
In the original series and book Mariko tells Anjin that her husband beats her because she has refused to ever sleep with him again without a fight. She *wants* him to be angry and miserable all the time, it's the only way she can punish him for not letting her commit seppuku. She has no right to refuse sex with her husband, but she can make it terrible for both of them. They're both trapped in a miserable marriage that neither can escape.
Yeah, I'd gotten the impression from the actor's performance that Buntaro wasn't an inherent asshole but a broken and unhappy man. The look on his face as he leaves John's house is actually haunting. You can tell he doesn't even know himself anymore.
What Blackthorne was doing with the pheasant was a medieval method of tenderizing (and enhancing flavor) of game birds... primarily in England and northern France. I dont know if Japan shared the same temperatures and humidity...though i highly doubt it... but one only knows what one knows. And in England, at that time, you tenderize game birds by hanging them in the environment (feathers and entrails intact) and checking them daily to see if the tail feathers remove at a slight tug... typically 4 to 10 days depending on weather. At that point theyre reasy to pluck and roast. I also read an article by a culinary historian who consulted several cookbooks from the 15th and 17th centuries and tried this method in her garage with American woodcocks with mixed success (one of rhem had buckshot in its intestines which spoiled the meat, the other turned out as expected). Because the culinary culture and weather/environment is much different in Japan, this probably never would have worked... the bird rotted as Fuji predicted rather than reaching a proper aging.
idk if that really was his intention. I think he just wanted to test them and see how far he can go, before they break their own rules. Thats why he was glad to hear, that someone took it down.
@@SovermanandVioboy Yeah also got that impression, he returns saying that he held up to the end of the bargain but all he got in return was a dead bird, so he punishes everyone by leaving the so precious gift to rot. But Im confused on what did he actually put on the stew he offered Buntaro and Mariko.
Also, Japanese were not into eating meat that much. Their diet consisted mainly of fish and veggies. That might account for the reticence regarding his rabbit stew he offered his guests. Japan is also more humid than Europe so, that might have affected the rate of decomposition. The decomposing bird started to stink and the neighbors were seeing it as a problem. In Japanese living that is taken very seriously since it affects the harmony of the group. What it shows is that words are not frivolous and should be taken as seriousLu as actions. It’s a cultural difference that exists even now. Pheasant is very dry and rotting it induces moisture and flavor it wouldn’t otherwise have. In France, Belgium this is till done but by people of the older generation
@@SovermanandVioboy What to test about ? He was just happy to be doing that again, like when he was a child. As you would be, wanting to share something with another culture. This show made us think too much, but the only one that did deceived us and all the characters was Toranaga. John was just an ant caught in a storm he never sensed
Yes, in Japan, women were property, but the same was true of England and America. Hell, in the US, women weren't allowed to open a bank account in their own name until the 1960s and weren't allowed to have a credit card without their husband or father cosigning until 1978. I remember this personally with my own mother. Although "wife beating" was illegal nationwide by 1920 (the same year US women gained the right to vote), the criminal justice system didn't start treating domestic violence as a crime in practice, instead of a private family matter, until the 1970s. It was considered appropriate for a man to "discipline" his wife in whatever way he saw fit. The change was entirely due to feminist activism raising awareness and legal challenges. Of course, violence against women is still a major problem. For example, the number one cause of death among pregnant women remains murder by the father or an agent of the father.
Yesss I was thinking exactly this, machismo is a problem that almost every culture has (at least the cultures we see here), so yes it's problematic for the character (John) just because he's not used to treat women like that, not because was something rare in England at that time
In defense of Buntaro's character. I don't think that beating his wife was a typical thing he was doing. He did so that night, which is wrong even if it was legal, and I think that part of what we could conclude from that whole deal is hes in control of his actions even when drunk (As we see he has no problem with the bow) but couldn't control his emotions, after drinking so much anyway. And he regretted letting himself lose control of his actions and fall into that emotional state. Again, not defending what he did. But dude does have a lot of emotional internal stuff that should understandably mess him up. if the book adds more to this, and I'm sure it does, I have not read it so this is only an interpretation based on what we see in the show.
@@golden--hand Beating her wasn't unusual according the book. He wasn't good at anger management and Mariko was always so cold to him, and he wanted her so much - loved her, really - that he became frustrated, disappointed, and angry. But Buntaro and all the characters are complex, especially in the book; they have good sides and bad sides. Part of what makes it such a good book. Toranaga ordered Buntero to perform the tea ceremony for Mariko, as a healing between them. You shouldn't bring bad feelings into a tea ceremony. The host - Buntero - must clean the entire house and grounds and select the perfect decor and tea set, prepare the tea, perform the pour, etc. Buntero selected the perfect bud from the garden to convey the season and emotion of the occasion. Mariko was moved to a tear by how perfectly he did. They didn't argue, as they did in the series; they parted amicably for the evening.
@@aleatharhea Great context. Having seen this show a few time through by now. I have come to appreciate the fact that Buntaro is kind of portrayed as the "obvious bad guy' but that's only because the harm he did was so obvious and non-negotiable with modern eyes, while the harm Mariko did was not and seemed justified from what we are shown. In reality they were both pretty toxic for each other and I guess the only thing keeping them together at that point was the fact she was Catholic and could not really divorce in those days. At least that was my generally interpreted speculation based on what we are shown in the series.
Isn't it funny how the guys somehow ended up thinking the lack of women's rights was a uniquely Japanese thing even though John even said women were owned by theor husbands back in England too. He was appealing to Buntaro's humanity more than any Western morals
Lady Ochiba is the queen consort. Shes not the queen herself. She’s the mother of the heir and yes she has the power. The next episode will explain more of her backstory.
She was not a queen consort, as Taiko was not a king. The closest you can compare with tv-series world - he was "The Hand" of the Emperor. In Japanese politics, he was a Shogun in all but name. For reasons that are debated (and that I don't fully understand), he either didn't take, or wasn't given the title of Shogun. Some say he wanted it that way, some say it is because he couldn't have that title due to him being a poor commoner by birth. Who through his own smarts and merits went up the military ladder and became person no2 in the country (after the Emperor).
Lady Ochiba, the Mother of the Heir of the Taiko, is the only Consort to the Late Taiko who was able to produce an Heir for him. In the book, but not discussed here, it is revealed that she took advantage of a moment in the garden with a commoner that looked like the Taiko to get herself with child, but in the adaptation it is simply implied and never explained. They can't very well separate the most celebrated 'widow' of the Taiko from her son, the Heir, without looking like they stole his son from her. So the Council has to keep Ochiba happy. Because with her comes the support of the Heir, and with the Heir comes continual Legitimacy for the Council of Regents. Ochiba has the potential to singlehandedly destroy the Council by arranging to run away somewhere else and bring the Heir with her. And she can do so any number of ways to minimize the risks to herself and her son in the process. The Regents are only Regents so long as they serve the Heir, and the Heir could theoretically countermand the standing orders for the formation of the Council, with enough politics. Guided, of course, by his doting Mother, Lady Ochiba. Think of it like Chess. Toranaga is the White King, and Mariko is the White Queen. Ishido is the Black King, and now we have finally met Lady Ochiba fully, who is the Black Queen. And just like chess, the Kings are limited in how they move because of their importance socially and politically. But the Queens are the most powerful pieces on the board, seconded only by the Samurai Knights. And now we see the chessboard of the book, and all the main pieces are moving about the board.
Osaka is Ishido's Castle. Edo is Toranaga's. The Portuguese are Ishido's Bishops, literally, and Jon Blackthorne and the Erasmus are the Bishops that Toranaga has to counter them. The chessboard is set. Everyone else besides the main Samurai Knights in the game is merely a pawn.
In the actual book, Shogun, from what I remember - Ochiba was worried that she was still unable to give the Taiko an heir just to keep her high place with him. His actual first wife also hadn't, so it sounded more like he was shooting blanks and unable to produce any offspring of his own . . . She had been on a ride somewhere, and gave herself to a peasant to try to gain a child to be shown as his. Toronaga then met her on that said ride a bit later and saw that her clothes were dishevelled, and she told him that she'd fallen off her horse earlier when he asked . . . but he was always suspicious - and Ochiba was always worried if he knew the truth about her son - the son who should also never be the descending ruler of the Taiko either . . .
“If freedom is all you ever live for, you will never be free of yourself.” The way I took it is that Mariko is saying that John’s view of “personal freedom” means that he will constantly look at everything as, “What will this do for ME” rather than, “How does this serve a greater purpose”. Meaning he will be a slave to his own desires (in a prison of himself) rather than achieving the freedom of a life lived in service to a higher order.
"Oh is that uh Kiku?" What?? Kiku was Omi's favorite escort. That was the Heir's mother, Ochiba. And Ochiba wasnt the Taiko's wife...She was the consort because the wife couldnt produce an heir. So she holds power not because of the Taiko but because of the Heir. So basically she's what in England would be called a Queen Mother... that is, doesnt hold legal authority but holds great influence. Especially with the people.
Why is everyone comparing her with a queen? Taiko is not a king. It's basically just a title. And not even a title of a man that is ruling right now, but a title of a high government official who has retired. At this time Japan had an Empeeror. Japan still has an Emperor. Taiko was born a poor commoner who through smarts and his own merit got the highest position in the country you could get (2nd to the emperor). The only reason he was not a Shogun is that, he either didn't want to, or that he couldn't due to him not being a noble to begin with (historians still debate this fact). In a lot of Asian countries (including China), wives got other titles depending on their rank. Thought it might be that at that time in Japan, the "other wives" weren't fully considered "wife". The higher position you had in the country, the more different types of wives you could have - this varied also from country to country and epoch to epoch. It tended to be 1 "1st wife", then a couple of 2nd-level, then a few more of the 3rd-level, and so on and so forth. The wedding ceremony even differed based on which rank you were marrying into. Depending also on time and place, a wife could get higher rank due to different reasons (like the higher-ranked wife dying, or your son being chosen to be the heir). Though, it's difficult to generalized, since we are speaking of couple of thousands of years of Asian culture, and not even specifically Japanese one.
I love how this show will always commit. From the beginning they show that this is a straight up "f*ck around and find out" type society. Even your words have the heaviest of weights.
This episode so packed with culture. Your wife is your property back then, the word of upper class is the law above religion, own life is only as worth as what you died for, you control nothing as you can be a leader of a nation but a random nature event can end wars by ending you, etc. The gardener died "fir a greater cause" of getting rid of the bird where Johns words gave it meaning, but then other words made his death even more meaning by the pretend spy scapegoat. The freedom quote is like if you always chase for freedom you will always reject everything that requires commitment so you're limiting your self that way - so how free are you really!? John only yearns for open see, runs from his country, family, child in the name of freedom. Now even wants to abandon their tradition, their country/situation. He's in his own "prison" of freedom chase. Very good episode. 👏
The dinner scene is brilliant because most people got it wrong. many thinks ''oh are they gonna get along well after drinking battle?'' ''oh he's gonna missed the post"' ''oh they gonna have a fight, john's gonna beat him up"' and none of that happened. the fact that Buntaro decided to apologized despite his dislike over John, the fact that John decided to go despite his anger, really speaks volume on the many layers of cultural differences, people's characters.
Historically shoguns are not morally driven, so most likely Toranaga is indirectly the reason the old man is dead. He also said to his spy "Find HIM (referring to Yabushige) another spy". Basically ordering his spy to find someone else to be caught instead.
This ep was sp enthralling!!! Was waiting for Quinn to see husband still alive & he was right if u dont see a body u just never can be sure. If you werent hooked before, now its an all in situation & i missed it initially so from here on out i binged it lol. This show is just a pure masterpiece in beauty, acting, & story telling!!!❤💞❤️
The young Heir to the throne has an army behind him and the regents can't order that army around because they don't belong to them, but because the heir is too young to rule yet his mother Ochiba can so she has power also Ishido is madly in love with her so theres that
Wow! This episode had everything! Comedy with noodles & sake scene, tragedy over John's words, tension between characters, intensity with the earth quake scene, episodes just get better & better! & liked Quinn's "bloom" & "cannon" gestures in the intro. ☺️
You're guys forgetting, that at the same time, beating up your wife in England (and all of Europe) was also a thing. John acknowledges even that he believes in the husband's right to do so. But he believed that Mariko, specifically, was a woman deserving respect, not a beating. You need to understand what he really is saying, not confuse it with our modern view of it. The way John says it, you can't even be sure that he is expressing an (at that time a very unusual and progressive) opinion that he is against punishing wives through beating. He is specifically protecting Mariko here. And probably he's also against her just being beaten due to her husband being in a bad mood, not that she actually did something to deserve it. If there was a cultural issue, it would be with him not understanding what Buntaro was punishing her for (if there even was a punishment, not just being a punching bag of an angry drunkard).
You may not know this, but the samurai of this era waged spectacular wars against the allied forces of China and Korea, overwhelming them. These were witnessed by Christian missionaries. If we incorporate these events into the season, we can still enjoy it.
You may not know this, but the samurai of this era waged spectacular wars against the allied forces of China and Korea, overwhelming them. These were witnessed by Christian missionaries. If we incorporate these events into the season, we can still enjoy it.
Freedom is not in pursuing the things you desire, because you will always be chasing new things every day and never be free of serving your own desires. When you put others before yourself, that changes. You act selflessly for the good of a community. Which is illustrated by the story of the gardener.
I'm with Oak. You need the challenge every culture (including your own of course) and shift out what is good and what is not acceptable. People tend to leave critical thinking behind, e.g. the admiration for Viking culture. You can admire the achievements but not explain away the dark side.
@@heathen-heart I think you read my post too hastily. I said "Admire the achievements". In this case e.g. the spirit of exploration, and superior and fast long boats.
"I've never been in that situation before." Dude? Live a little... get passionate about something to the point that the mere thought of its absence makes you question ALL of your life's choices... My wife and i have gotten in that situation half as many years as we've been married. It's a hell of a bi-annual wakeup.
So much happend in this episode! John learning his words have meaning to others and more. New leader in town??? What was your reaction? What did we miss?
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Fyi unless I missed yall saying this...that was the army's camp that got completely wiped out by the landslide. So way more impactful cause Toronago just lost all his men! That's very crucial moving forward knowing that he now has no full army with him
guys did you watch spartacus ?
at least add Spartacus TV show in Vote to see if people will vote for it
To be clear: Toranaga didnt say find me a NEW spy.... but rather he was telling his spy to shift the suspicion onto someone else (because Omi was looking for the spy)...and it was just convenient that Ueijro was executed.... otherwise the spy would have had to basically sentence some innocent to death to maintain the secret.
Even in death Uejiro was fulfilling a purpose.
Fuji said that Muraji as the headman said that someone should steal the pheasant. Muraji knew the consequence was death, he made that decision so someone would do it and die as per John's word, so he could then plant the false evidence on them. It's kinda subtle to catch on a first time watch, since the scene is focused on the shock of Uejiro's death. But technically it was Muraji who pushed for it to happen, it wasn't John's or Fuji's fault, since the matter probably could have waited until John came back and they clarified what should be done with him. It is doubly sad since it seemed like Uejiro was friendly with Muraji too, we see them hanging out in the background of some scenes.
Fuji is seriously adorable.
Ikr can’t believe a lot of people aren’t acknowledging her more. Her whole character is awesome even with a little bit of screen time
She's effortless at being adorable too
@@jmortiz477 She's actually pretty badass.
Mariko didn't want John to get Buntero drunk because she knew he would beat her. In the book, John didn't see Mariko immediately after the beating. She was so badly beaten that it took her weeks to recover. She refused to let him see her for that whole time, fearing that he would come after Buntero in a rage. Buntero apologized to John because it was gravely impolite to destroy the harmony of your host's home, not, it should be emphasized, for the harm he did to his wife.
You mentioned the fight John had with his men. In the book, there was a surprised and joyful reunion and a night of celebration. It only turned sour at the end, and even then, not on the part of all the men. It's been 48 years since I read the book, so I can't be very specific, but I think only one, two, or three men got belligerent with John. When John got home, he had a bath and had his clothes burned because they were full of fleas.
The gardener was terminally ill, so it made sense for him to bury the pheasant. It was a serious infraction to bring disharmony to your neighbors, and the pheasant was foul smelling, brought flies, and they feared disease. So it was a very serious matter for the whole community. The gardener became a hero for his action, and Toranaga himself lent his very sharp sword for the beheading. This was a great honor and a very noble death, not some random criminal's death.
Mariko meant John is a slave of his own desire, his desire to chase freedom. So he is not truly free.
At least that is what I think that scene meant.
Exactly my thoughts
exactly, because john mentioned he did not even see the birth of his daughter because the vastness of the sea beaconed. he left his responsibilities to his family to volunteer. Yes john is a slave of his desires.
Just like Kenny said, everyone are slaves to something. Money, woman, power, throne, God.
@@trimeresuruspurpureomaculatus I don't know who Kenny is but that's Askeladd's line first.
@@anxietyinducing6601 Kenny from AoT. Maybe you're right about Askeladd, but i watched AoT first, then Vinland Saga. So Kenny is the first character that came to my mind.
Lady Mariko's father's historical comparison is Akechi Mitsuhide who betrayed Oda Nobunaga.
Dinner scene was incredible! Hope the move from a Ltd Series to 2 more seasons works out 🤞 Can see the show blowing up even more after winning ALL THE EMMYS like The Bear & Beef!
this reaction made me rly wish the dinner scene had ended w a drunk john and buntaro getting along great and singing songs together
That was also western culture until the last century or so.. Your wife was your property, even John said it, and it was not illegal to beat your wife in western culture either.
When we have rapists caught red-handed and let off lightly, we can hardly say the US has any kind of cultural moral high ground of how to treat women. It wasn't even all that long ago that women couldn't vote or own checking accounts.
Women couldn't get their own credit cards without their husband's permission up until 1974!! No lie!😮
@@denisesf5 I know. Insane that.
Every episode gets better and better. So glad you guys are reacting to this. I'm loving your emotions in this and felt the same way the first time I watched it!
him smashing his wife isn't their culture oak that why he left the house and bowed and apologized cause what he did was wrong especially knowing hes a samurai with honor. he was drunk probably his first time being that drunk since they don't drink like that normally it was out of character hence why he left the house that why john left him after he said sorry, hope that explains that oak that ain't Japanese .
No, he apologized for disturbing the peace of John's sleep in John's home/household (where he is a guest) and for making a loud spectacle of himself while drunk, and for upsetting the head of the household. He did not apologize for hitting his wife.
John, similarly to the audience, mistakes the apology for Buntaro apologizing for hitting his wife. But if Buntaro really felt bad for hitting his wife, he would apologize to his wife, not to John. And even if he had apologized to Mariko for hitting her, the apology to John would still not be about the actual act of hitting Mariko, but for the misbehavior that he did apologize for.
The pheasant also symbolized the class differences, not just the cultural. John wasn't from high class like the place he lives now. People normally wouldn't hang the bird next to the house, but he doesn't know any better.
Nice timing guys. News came out yesterday that they are working on making 2 more seasons of Shōgun.
Lady Ochiba speaks for the heir, who is the one to legitimize the council members. Shes the most powerfull person in the country, until her son is old enough to reign.
@@heathen-heart But wouldnt he become the emperor? or is that another person? Ugh, this is so confusing... anyways, I edited it out.
@@SovermanandVioboy He would not be the emperor.
Taiko isn't even a name. It's a specific honorary title in Japan, given to retired kampaku (chief advisor to the Emperor). In this story, the man carrying this title, like everyone else, is based on a real person, Toyotomi Hideyoshi.
That real-life person was born a poor commoner, who through his own merit, raised in power and ranks in army (if I remember correctly, he started out as a sandals-bearer for some noble). And then later became the most powerful man in Japan, 2nd only to the Emperor.
If you compare it with "Game of Thrones" ideas, Taiko would be similar to "The Hand". He is ruling the country, while the Emperor does... God knows what. According to historians, Taiko is a strange person to rule. Usually this type of ruler would be given the title "Shogun". However, for unknown reasons (or rather reasons that historians debate) he was instead given the title of the highest government official. Some historians say that Taiko didn't want to be Shogun and that certain aspects of his rule were easier without that title. Others say that he couldn't get that title, since only daimios (the highest level nobility) could get it. Toranaga is of high enough birth to get that title. However, the title "kanpaku" isn't taken out of thin air and there were others that ruled the country that were kanpaku, rather than shoguns. I don't know enough of Japanese history to understand the nuances. Shogun is supposed to be a military title, not the ruler of the country - but there has been such rulers.
The reason to appoint an heir to this position, seemed to be to show some kind of continuity for the country, rather having a void that would end up with civil war and struggle for power.
"But he didn't hit the post"
Ohhhh yes he did.
The moment that John Blackthorne is fixing the garden: I feel like that moment is when he really embodies the title he was given.
This was supposed to be a limited series based on the novel. But apparently FX has renewed it for a second and third season. Excited about that!
It isn't clear what the "second season" is going to be. It might be an adaption of another of James Clavell's novels, most likely "Gai-jin" which takes place in 1862. That novel isn't as good as "Shogun. Also, it is highly unlikely that it will be a continuation with Toranaga, John, Fuji, etc. There is some history to be explored but it would require inventing the story rather than adapting one. In other words, I suggest getting excited about the news may not be warranted.
@@Rabbithole8 Yes it's not known yet whether it will be a continuation of these character's stories in the Shogun universe or another adaption of Clavell's other novels. FX and the writers would be wise to stick within the Shogun universe.
Just like sommeliers and wine producers make noise when tasting, even today Japanese people slurp and slurp when eating noodles in soup, in order to bring out the aroma.
Buntaro is comedy gold, the way he threw them noodles on the floor right next to him🤣 (because it’s not his house it’s Blackthornes floor 🤣)
>the time for politics is over
>proceeds to get involved into politics
I was confused myself why she would have that kind of power, but since she's queen consort. i think she controls the armies of the kid intil he comes of age.
She has no official power but like many mothers from history who's children became rulers too young, she speaks for the child and essentially has the power.
(not trying to be a dig at the guys here just a general commentary on reactions ive seen here) its interesting to me how many people have some awareness of the ways modern life leads to people with all their material needs met and almost all the freedom they could want who are depressed, listless, hopeless, etc, and can't at least understand, if not agree with, the concept that living just for freedom and for yourself with no higher purpose (whether its god, a lord, a cause, what have u) might be a type of prison in and of itself, and the way living for something besides yourself can be freeing. each way of living has its own negatives, but i think the positive of mariko's worldview is even when there's nothing in your own life that you feel like living for you never feel unfulfilled, useless, like your life in pointless, because you have a very specific meaning for your own life and a very clear path to honor. idk, i think this show could be an interesting mind-opener esp for some Americans if they allow it to be, again even if it doesn't end up changing ur outlook on life or freedom.
I think most people would consider it soul crushing to work a 9 to 5, come home and watch tv, and do nothing else besides social obligations that they would rather not attend. No goals, no passions, no cause.
But for some people that's all they want, they consider that living the quiet easy life.
I knew someone like that. All he wanted was to be left alone, work, come home, eat, play video games and go to sleep. He did his best to avoid seeing his family. He didn't have any friends or relationships. The only way he would do more than small talk was if we were discussing nerd culture. He told me most of this himself, without any shame.
I would hate that, to play life on repeat without any growth or positive change.
19:36 Most American thing ever.
It means having responsibilities. To others and to society and to a purpose larger than yourself. The kinds that are nor shaken off just because they become onerous.
Great reaction. Have you guys seen the Korean show Kingdom? If so, I’d definitely watch that reaction
Enjoy the Shogun reactions, thank you. I like your take on the culture aspect and not respecting some parts because it's wrong. Like how we treat animals in our current cultures, mass farming and killing them for our own pleasure when we don't need to.
Season 2 and 3 confirmed FYI
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Given that they have no source material like for the show and the real history is a phase of extreme political stability I'm actually not hyped.
Sometimes it is best to let a good work of art stand on it's own rather than to ride the cash cow to the bitter end.
@@BobHerzog1962 The phase of stability wont start until 1616 and the series ends in 1600...
@@SovermanandVioboy It started before and was just interrupted by one rebellion (at least as long as we count serious challanges). And that one was smacked down hard.
@@heathen-heart there is a reason the author went the anthology series route with his books. This is a bit like GoT you write about the war of the roses not about the time in England after it was resolved.
Yes there is a lot of history on the Shogunate and there is Intrige to be had. But a lot more low key and not about big power grabs that will have visible consequences.
People competed about who is the person who can "advice" the ruler rather than be the ruler. And it was a lot less violence and a lot more sideline a person by "promoting" them to a post far away from the centre of power kind of way.
If they had been bold and announced we do something about China, Korea or even a prequel or a time jump to the end of the Shogunate all that would have been great
But as far as it stands so far they want to use some of the same characters and sorry but I just don't see it. They have to kind of either go the Blackthorn gets his Chance to go after Portugal shipping route or the Shogunate is actually challenged route. Both not what I would be interested to see.
The first would invalidate the subversion of the white saviour trope that Shogun is. The audience is lured into thinking Blackthorne's plans or knowledge is important at several points. Only to learn he was at best a pawn at worst a court jester.
The second would be much alt history for me and also invalidate the victory gained. The whole point was that the victory was total enough to secure a stable Dynasty.
I think you will better understand what Mariko meant when you see the end of Attack on Titan. There are so much to think about freedom.
Just renewed for seasons two AND three!
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Guys, that wasnt Mariko. It really was a consort (its like that in the book and old tv series). The point is Mariko gave the consort her perfume, to make Blackthorne actually pillow. The morning scene is more awkward in the book and old show, because Anjin actually asks if it was her.
These are different scenes, the one pictured here and the scenes in the book and in the 1980 series.
@@KristiinaBerg Im talking about the night Blackthorne was pillowing with a lady. Its the same scene
@@Czejenesku Then why did they use the actor of Mariko for the scene?
@@KristiinaBerg Its not. All japanese people have natural black hair, same as native indians. Watch the scene in slow motion.
@@Czejenesku I'm sorry, but you are mistaken.
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Japanese culture is weird. Why turn down the rabbit stew so directly? Wouldn't it be considered polite to eat some? The pheasant I get, but the stew was prob delicious. I've read the books so I kno this is extra, but I wonder why they made this narrative choice.
I think it was because of Buntaro's presence. The ladies probably didn't want him to see them relax and try out a barbarian's food. If he wasn't there, I think they would've tried it at least.
At that time, most Japanese were vegetarians (more accurately, pescatarians). They would eat fish and seafood, but not mammals and birds. The scene also is meant to display the racism and ethnocentrism from the side of the Japanese as Buntaro mocks Blackthorn, calling him a monkey.
weird? wow, such an entitled comment.
@@itslaylalayla I didn't mean it in a bad way. I love their culture. My point was they generally make a big deal out of being polite, so I was surprised they turned down his stew.
@@Rabbithole8 I get all that, but appreciate the comment. I supposed their politeness would overcome their dietary discretion. They treat Blackthorn as a barbarian but aren't willing to try any of his ways. I find that era of Japan fascinating. The show is stellar.
Lady Ochiba is the queen regent because she's the hier mother. Ishido still runs things but she can overrule him
Lady Ochiba was not a queen. Taiko was basically just a title of (retired) high level government official. Kind of a Prime Minster Emeritus, since he ruled the country (or "The Retired Hand" if you want to compare with Game of Thrones). There was still an Emperor, but we never get to see or hear of him.
The Taiko couldn't be a Shogun due to... politics (he was just a poor commoner by birth). So he was a Shogun in all but name.
Mariko is basically saying that "freedom" ironically does not make a person free. It's purpose (and community), that makes a person truly free. And as you will see, Mariko has plenty of purpose.
to add: blackthorne finally finds the freedom to be free of himself at the end of episode 10
It is multilayered and that is what makes the writing so great. Part of it is what you stated, and also the Buddhist concept of no-self: one must become free of the self which is illusionary. Related to this, If one is constantly seeking freedom the person is like a prisoner who seeks to escape their jail cell only to be returned to their captivity. If one is free, one does not keep talking about their freedom.
That's my favourite theme in this show. A man must abandon his freedom to become truly free. So poetic... And so authentic too!
that's the point, absolute freedom is just being slave of your own desires.
@@Andrei2patrUspoiler dude
Women being treated as men's property is basically part of many different cultures and period. whether it's western or eastern.
In the original series and book Mariko tells Anjin that her husband beats her because she has refused to ever sleep with him again without a fight. She *wants* him to be angry and miserable all the time, it's the only way she can punish him for not letting her commit seppuku. She has no right to refuse sex with her husband, but she can make it terrible for both of them. They're both trapped in a miserable marriage that neither can escape.
Yeah, I'd gotten the impression from the actor's performance that Buntaro wasn't an inherent asshole but a broken and unhappy man. The look on his face as he leaves John's house is actually haunting. You can tell he doesn't even know himself anymore.
What Blackthorne was doing with the pheasant was a medieval method of tenderizing (and enhancing flavor) of game birds... primarily in England and northern France. I dont know if Japan shared the same temperatures and humidity...though i highly doubt it... but one only knows what one knows.
And in England, at that time, you tenderize game birds by hanging them in the environment (feathers and entrails intact) and checking them daily to see if the tail feathers remove at a slight tug... typically 4 to 10 days depending on weather. At that point theyre reasy to pluck and roast.
I also read an article by a culinary historian who consulted several cookbooks from the 15th and 17th centuries and tried this method in her garage with American woodcocks with mixed success (one of rhem had buckshot in its intestines which spoiled the meat, the other turned out as expected).
Because the culinary culture and weather/environment is much different in Japan, this probably never would have worked... the bird rotted as Fuji predicted rather than reaching a proper aging.
idk if that really was his intention. I think he just wanted to test them and see how far he can go, before they break their own rules. Thats why he was glad to hear, that someone took it down.
believe i saw some comment a little while back about Japan started to do something similar not to far from the time setting of the story.
@@SovermanandVioboy Yeah also got that impression, he returns saying that he held up to the end of the bargain but all he got in return was a dead bird, so he punishes everyone by leaving the so precious gift to rot. But Im confused on what did he actually put on the stew he offered Buntaro and Mariko.
Also, Japanese were not into eating meat that much. Their diet consisted mainly of fish and veggies. That might account for the reticence regarding his rabbit stew he offered his guests. Japan is also more humid than Europe so, that might have affected the rate of decomposition. The decomposing bird started to stink and the neighbors were seeing it as a problem. In Japanese living that is taken very seriously since it affects the harmony of the group. What it shows is that words are not frivolous and should be taken as seriousLu as actions. It’s a cultural difference that exists even now.
Pheasant is very dry and rotting it induces moisture and flavor it wouldn’t otherwise have. In France, Belgium this is till done but by people of the older generation
@@SovermanandVioboy What to test about ? He was just happy to be doing that again, like when he was a child. As you would be, wanting to share something with another culture. This show made us think too much, but the only one that did deceived us and all the characters was Toranaga. John was just an ant caught in a storm he never sensed
Yes, in Japan, women were property, but the same was true of England and America. Hell, in the US, women weren't allowed to open a bank account in their own name until the 1960s and weren't allowed to have a credit card without their husband or father cosigning until 1978. I remember this personally with my own mother.
Although "wife beating" was illegal nationwide by 1920 (the same year US women gained the right to vote), the criminal justice system didn't start treating domestic violence as a crime in practice, instead of a private family matter, until the 1970s. It was considered appropriate for a man to "discipline" his wife in whatever way he saw fit. The change was entirely due to feminist activism raising awareness and legal challenges. Of course, violence against women is still a major problem. For example, the number one cause of death among pregnant women remains murder by the father or an agent of the father.
Yesss I was thinking exactly this, machismo is a problem that almost every culture has (at least the cultures we see here), so yes it's problematic for the character (John) just because he's not used to treat women like that, not because was something rare in England at that time
Its a shame we judge other cultures based on our own conditioning and societal lens.
In defense of Buntaro's character. I don't think that beating his wife was a typical thing he was doing. He did so that night, which is wrong even if it was legal, and I think that part of what we could conclude from that whole deal is hes in control of his actions even when drunk (As we see he has no problem with the bow) but couldn't control his emotions, after drinking so much anyway. And he regretted letting himself lose control of his actions and fall into that emotional state.
Again, not defending what he did. But dude does have a lot of emotional internal stuff that should understandably mess him up.
if the book adds more to this, and I'm sure it does, I have not read it so this is only an interpretation based on what we see in the show.
@@golden--hand Beating her wasn't unusual according the book. He wasn't good at anger management and Mariko was always so cold to him, and he wanted her so much - loved her, really - that he became frustrated, disappointed, and angry. But Buntaro and all the characters are complex, especially in the book; they have good sides and bad sides. Part of what makes it such a good book. Toranaga ordered Buntero to perform the tea ceremony for Mariko, as a healing between them. You shouldn't bring bad feelings into a tea ceremony. The host - Buntero - must clean the entire house and grounds and select the perfect decor and tea set, prepare the tea, perform the pour, etc. Buntero selected the perfect bud from the garden to convey the season and emotion of the occasion. Mariko was moved to a tear by how perfectly he did. They didn't argue, as they did in the series; they parted amicably for the evening.
@@aleatharhea Great context.
Having seen this show a few time through by now. I have come to appreciate the fact that Buntaro is kind of portrayed as the "obvious bad guy' but that's only because the harm he did was so obvious and non-negotiable with modern eyes, while the harm Mariko did was not and seemed justified from what we are shown. In reality they were both pretty toxic for each other and I guess the only thing keeping them together at that point was the fact she was Catholic and could not really divorce in those days. At least that was my generally interpreted speculation based on what we are shown in the series.
Isn't it funny how the guys somehow ended up thinking the lack of women's rights was a uniquely Japanese thing even though John even said women were owned by theor husbands back in England too. He was appealing to Buntaro's humanity more than any Western morals
Lady Ochiba is the queen consort. Shes not the queen herself. She’s the mother of the heir and yes she has the power. The next episode will explain more of her backstory.
She was not a queen consort, as Taiko was not a king. The closest you can compare with tv-series world - he was "The Hand" of the Emperor.
In Japanese politics, he was a Shogun in all but name. For reasons that are debated (and that I don't fully understand), he either didn't take, or wasn't given the title of Shogun. Some say he wanted it that way, some say it is because he couldn't have that title due to him being a poor commoner by birth. Who through his own smarts and merits went up the military ladder and became person no2 in the country (after the Emperor).
Lady Ochiba, the Mother of the Heir of the Taiko, is the only Consort to the Late Taiko who was able to produce an Heir for him.
In the book, but not discussed here, it is revealed that she took advantage of a moment in the garden with a commoner that looked like the Taiko to get herself with child, but in the adaptation it is simply implied and never explained.
They can't very well separate the most celebrated 'widow' of the Taiko from her son, the Heir, without looking like they stole his son from her. So the Council has to keep Ochiba happy. Because with her comes the support of the Heir, and with the Heir comes continual Legitimacy for the Council of Regents. Ochiba has the potential to singlehandedly destroy the Council by arranging to run away somewhere else and bring the Heir with her. And she can do so any number of ways to minimize the risks to herself and her son in the process. The Regents are only Regents so long as they serve the Heir, and the Heir could theoretically countermand the standing orders for the formation of the Council, with enough politics. Guided, of course, by his doting Mother, Lady Ochiba.
Think of it like Chess. Toranaga is the White King, and Mariko is the White Queen. Ishido is the Black King, and now we have finally met Lady Ochiba fully, who is the Black Queen. And just like chess, the Kings are limited in how they move because of their importance socially and politically. But the Queens are the most powerful pieces on the board, seconded only by the Samurai Knights. And now we see the chessboard of the book, and all the main pieces are moving about the board.
Osaka is Ishido's Castle. Edo is Toranaga's. The Portuguese are Ishido's Bishops, literally, and Jon Blackthorne and the Erasmus are the Bishops that Toranaga has to counter them. The chessboard is set. Everyone else besides the main Samurai Knights in the game is merely a pawn.
In the actual book, Shogun, from what I remember - Ochiba was worried that she was still unable to give the Taiko an heir just to keep her high place with him. His actual first wife also hadn't, so it sounded more like he was shooting blanks and unable to produce any offspring of his own . . . She had been on a ride somewhere, and gave herself to a peasant to try to gain a child to be shown as his. Toronaga then met her on that said ride a bit later and saw that her clothes were dishevelled, and she told him that she'd fallen off her horse earlier when he asked . . . but he was always suspicious - and Ochiba was always worried if he knew the truth about her son - the son who should also never be the descending ruler of the Taiko either . . .
“If freedom is all you ever live for, you will never be free of yourself.” The way I took it is that Mariko is saying that John’s view of “personal freedom” means that he will constantly look at everything as, “What will this do for ME” rather than, “How does this serve a greater purpose”. Meaning he will be a slave to his own desires (in a prison of himself) rather than achieving the freedom of a life lived in service to a higher order.
She is the mother / queen regent of the taikos hier 🤙🏼💯
"Oh is that uh Kiku?"
What?? Kiku was Omi's favorite escort.
That was the Heir's mother, Ochiba.
And Ochiba wasnt the Taiko's wife...She was the consort because the wife couldnt produce an heir.
So she holds power not because of the Taiko but because of the Heir.
So basically she's what in England would be called a Queen Mother... that is, doesnt hold legal authority but holds great influence. Especially with the people.
Why is everyone comparing her with a queen?
Taiko is not a king. It's basically just a title. And not even a title of a man that is ruling right now, but a title of a high government official who has retired.
At this time Japan had an Empeeror. Japan still has an Emperor.
Taiko was born a poor commoner who through smarts and his own merit got the highest position in the country you could get (2nd to the emperor). The only reason he was not a Shogun is that, he either didn't want to, or that he couldn't due to him not being a noble to begin with (historians still debate this fact).
In a lot of Asian countries (including China), wives got other titles depending on their rank. Thought it might be that at that time in Japan, the "other wives" weren't fully considered "wife". The higher position you had in the country, the more different types of wives you could have - this varied also from country to country and epoch to epoch. It tended to be 1 "1st wife", then a couple of 2nd-level, then a few more of the 3rd-level, and so on and so forth. The wedding ceremony even differed based on which rank you were marrying into. Depending also on time and place, a wife could get higher rank due to different reasons (like the higher-ranked wife dying, or your son being chosen to be the heir). Though, it's difficult to generalized, since we are speaking of couple of thousands of years of Asian culture, and not even specifically Japanese one.
She’s the heir’s mother and basically Queen Regent. So she flexing on them
Am I the only one who thinks Lady Ochiba's actress would make a _perfect_ voice actress for anime villains (assuming she isn't already)?
She has that smug rich lady "ara ara" voice down to perfection.
I love how this show will always commit. From the beginning they show that this is a straight up "f*ck around and find out" type society. Even your words have the heaviest of weights.
This show is superb, so good! Great reaction guys!
Fuji-sama = cutie.
This episode so packed with culture. Your wife is your property back then, the word of upper class is the law above religion, own life is only as worth as what you died for, you control nothing as you can be a leader of a nation but a random nature event can end wars by ending you, etc.
The gardener died "fir a greater cause" of getting rid of the bird where Johns words gave it meaning, but then other words made his death even more meaning by the pretend spy scapegoat.
The freedom quote is like if you always chase for freedom you will always reject everything that requires commitment so you're limiting your self that way - so how free are you really!? John only yearns for open see, runs from his country, family, child in the name of freedom. Now even wants to abandon their tradition, their country/situation. He's in his own "prison" of freedom chase. Very good episode. 👏
The dinner scene is brilliant because most people got it wrong. many thinks ''oh are they gonna get along well after drinking battle?'' ''oh he's gonna missed the post"' ''oh they gonna have a fight, john's gonna beat him up"' and none of that happened. the fact that Buntaro decided to apologized despite his dislike over John, the fact that John decided to go despite his anger, really speaks volume on the many layers of cultural differences, people's characters.
"All my war stories are full of holes" hahahahaha, old sailors joke, something about what cannon do to other ships
Historically shoguns are not morally driven, so most likely Toranaga is indirectly the reason the old man is dead. He also said to his spy "Find HIM (referring to Yabushige) another spy". Basically ordering his spy to find someone else to be caught instead.
This ep was sp enthralling!!! Was waiting for Quinn to see husband still alive & he was right if u dont see a body u just never can be sure. If you werent hooked before, now its an all in situation & i missed it initially so from here on out i binged it lol. This show is just a pure masterpiece in beauty, acting, & story telling!!!❤💞❤️
The young Heir to the throne has an army behind him and the regents can't order that army around because they don't belong to them, but because the heir is too young to rule yet his mother Ochiba can so she has power also Ishido is madly in love with her so theres that
I love how the dude just kept cracking up at every john scene lmaooo
Who's society is braking down at the moment 'certainly not the Japanese!
FoR tHe AlGoRiThM
Wow! This episode had everything! Comedy with noodles & sake scene, tragedy over John's words, tension between characters, intensity with the earth quake scene, episodes just get better & better! & liked Quinn's "bloom" & "cannon" gestures in the intro. ☺️
Quinn said I've never been there before!! 😂
Let's gooo...!!!
One of the best series put together. All but flawless. With it winding down i guess it is time to start a new series, like, say... Banshee!
You're guys forgetting, that at the same time, beating up your wife in England (and all of Europe) was also a thing. John acknowledges even that he believes in the husband's right to do so. But he believed that Mariko, specifically, was a woman deserving respect, not a beating.
You need to understand what he really is saying, not confuse it with our modern view of it. The way John says it, you can't even be sure that he is expressing an (at that time a very unusual and progressive) opinion that he is against punishing wives through beating. He is specifically protecting Mariko here. And probably he's also against her just being beaten due to her husband being in a bad mood, not that she actually did something to deserve it. If there was a cultural issue, it would be with him not understanding what Buntaro was punishing her for (if there even was a punishment, not just being a punching bag of an angry drunkard).
Bring on season 2 and 3!!!!!
You may not know this, but the samurai of this era waged spectacular wars against the allied forces of China and Korea, overwhelming them. These were witnessed by Christian missionaries. If we incorporate these events into the season, we can still enjoy it.
You may not know this, but the samurai of this era waged spectacular wars against the allied forces of China and Korea, overwhelming them. These were witnessed by Christian missionaries. If we incorporate these events into the season, we can still enjoy it.
guys the council members were fake coughing so they could be excused from the meeting lmao
Freedom is not in pursuing the things you desire, because you will always be chasing new things every day and never be free of serving your own desires. When you put others before yourself, that changes. You act selflessly for the good of a community. Which is illustrated by the story of the gardener.
Answer uhhh really, really seemed to enjoy this episode
Lady Ochiba is a consort not the Taiko's wife.
React to movie sing
There are official episode summaries online that are great to read if you need a little help keeping the story and the characters more clear.
I think this crew would truly enjoy Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Unbelievers that said the ending was perfect and that there would be no second season, shame on you.
well you have to obey your boss' mother
I'm with Oak. You need the challenge every culture (including your own of course) and shift out what is good and what is not acceptable. People tend to leave critical thinking behind, e.g. the admiration for Viking culture. You can admire the achievements but not explain away the dark side.
@@heathen-heart With what?
@@heathen-heart To learn.
@@heathen-heart I think you read my post too hastily. I said "Admire the achievements". In this case e.g. the spirit of exploration, and superior and fast long boats.
do a reaction video on srk's jawaan , you guys will love it
React to "Beekeeper" pls
"I've never been in that situation before."
Dude? Live a little... get passionate about something to the point that the mere thought of its absence makes you question ALL of your life's choices...
My wife and i have gotten in that situation half as many years as we've been married. It's a hell of a bi-annual wakeup.