Anne Widdecombe represents Reform and I thought they were all about helping workers. PS The Caption for this clip is very odd "Jeremy is joined by Labour's Jonathan Ashworth and Reform spokesperson Jonathan Ashworth to discuss news workers' rights which have got some business owners and the Daily Mail in a tizz.." Jonathon Ashworth is representing both Labour AND Rform?
It's not often Ann Widdicombe is 'thick' but if she can't understand dismissal on day one of a new job she really is. If I represent myself as a carpenter when I'm a metal worker and can't do the job, the employer has the right to dismiss me right away as unsuitable. And surely that's fair. The new law would mean I can sue from day one, but what on earth would be my chance of a successful case of unfair dismissal? Let's factor in a little common sense here.
And similarly, if an unscrupulous employer gives you the job, but then he wants one of his mates or relatives to get it and sacks you on day one for no reason, you have a good case against the employer.
The worker has the right to test it the dismissal was unfair in a tribunal. If the employer is confident that the dismissal is fair then why would they be worried about an ex employee persuing unfair dismissal as they would have all the evidence and paperwork that supports their decision. The only employers who would have anything to fear with this would be those who don't do paperwork or collect evidence and just want to say "you're sacked" with no evidence or due process.
The employer is worried because of the time, cost (potential solicitors, court appearances) , upheaval to the working environment, disruption of existing staff, paperwork required, volatility of magistrates, etc. All these factors will negatively affect your businesses performance. I have employed many people, and whilst the vast, vast majority are awesome and great employees, there are also those who will abuse this and cause havoc..
@@MegaAndygo but the current situation is that you have employers sacking people after 23 months of employment so to avoid them getting their full employment rights and with no recourse for the employee.
@@danpepper2525 Yes, there are rogue employers as well as rogue employees, can't argue with that. In my experience the vast majority of employers and employees just want to do a good job, but there are always exceptions and there should always be some form of protection to an employer in the early days. Offering all the rights from day one is lunacy and will act as an active deterrent to employing people. Now, reducing the 2 year period, to say 12 months, or 9 months would have been the sensible approach because you can pretty much figure out if it's working within the first few months, from both sides. But as usual with the current government, sensible approaches seem to be in short supply.... As an employer (had my own businesses since I was 25 years old), I can confidently say that most of us aren't the demons we are portrayed to be, just people, with a passion and a drive, and we want to be successful and also want our staff to reach their maximum potential and make us proud... maybe the government should have a think about that...
@@PLl-jr8xi I've not heard of any workers who say they like zero hours contracts. There are however plenty of employers who claim their workers like them - big difference. Workers don't like it, they just tolerate it because it's better than nothing. That doesn't make it right though.
I like it. You can do what you want, work when you want and don't work when you want, don't have to ask for permission for a holiday like a little child etc. The people who don't like it are the people who want to get paid for not working.. turn up at work do nothing and still get a salary .
@@PLl-jr8xi Are you a worker on a zero-hour contract as a matter of interest? Because to me the only fans of this seem to be unscrupulous employers who use it as an opportunity to wriggle out of the benefits that permanent employees get as a matter or course such as paid leave, holiday pay, sick pay, maternity pay, pension etc, not to mention the unpredictable income and job insecurity.
@@BennySantana501I'm not but i used to be . After the uber case the company I worked for had to change their structure so it didn't work for my anymore. No more large commission because they had change their pay structure. I get where you're coming from because if you're in a fortunate position you don't worry about sick pay etc until you actually need it. I get that I might change my mind on that. But I prefer to give up my rights for holiday pay etc for the ability to do what I want and work or not when I want.
Yeah, you get holiday pay based on the average hours you’ve worked over the year. Sick pay, unfortunately, is a rarity in virtually all but the jobs where you least need it.
When i instructed my employers to use Blue Asbestos they all refused ..so i sacked all of them ..imagine it now with this new workers rights law ..i would be unable to sack them all !! and i am only a small business .
If the employee can't do the job it will be the employers fault for not giving them enough suitable training and or adjusting the workplace and job to suit the employee.
This comment is mind boggling... So you're saying, if I employ someone, and they're unable to do what they've applied for, I should then spend the rest of my days and potentially run my business into the ground concentrating all my effort and adjusting all aspects of the business to suit an individual employees lack of ability ????
"im not saying, im not saying!!!" because either its a lie or she knows if she said it the audience would be horrified that she would fire someone for that.
I day on a job could be unfair if your dismissed. Because you have not been given a chance. The employer may have a relative who wants a job so decides to get rid of you for no reason. So no workers rights really then.
Sounds like if you are bad at job you can be let go before probation with little chance of being sued. What you prob cant do is hire somebody and then just before they get basic employment rights can them. If anything this is just helping out younger employees from being exploited
A probation period of nine months is too long. I have never had one of more than a month. That is nine months of worry hanging over you where you could be got rid of for any reason.
Two people who don’t live in the real world there’s only one person in this panel knows what she’s talking about. I’ve worked with people in my trade who are smart intelligent but absolutely crap at the job.
Oh no! Workers can get justice for being unfairly dismissed from the day they start working. Imagine workers getting away with this. Outrageous!
Anne Widdecombe represents Reform and I thought they were all about helping workers.
PS The Caption for this clip is very odd "Jeremy is joined by Labour's Jonathan Ashworth and Reform spokesperson Jonathan Ashworth to discuss news workers' rights which have got some business owners and the Daily Mail in a tizz.." Jonathon Ashworth is representing both Labour AND Rform?
Widdecombe.... Such a warm, beautiful christian soul. 😂😂😂😂
It's not often Ann Widdicombe is 'thick' but if she can't understand dismissal on day one of a new job she really is. If I represent myself as a carpenter when I'm a metal worker and can't do the job, the employer has the right to dismiss me right away as unsuitable. And surely that's fair. The new law would mean I can sue from day one, but what on earth would be my chance of a successful case of unfair dismissal? Let's factor in a little common sense here.
And similarly, if an unscrupulous employer gives you the job, but then he wants one of his mates or relatives to get it and sacks you on day one for no reason, you have a good case against the employer.
The worker has the right to test it the dismissal was unfair in a tribunal. If the employer is confident that the dismissal is fair then why would they be worried about an ex employee persuing unfair dismissal as they would have all the evidence and paperwork that supports their decision. The only employers who would have anything to fear with this would be those who don't do paperwork or collect evidence and just want to say "you're sacked" with no evidence or due process.
The employer is worried because of the time, cost (potential solicitors, court appearances) , upheaval to the working environment, disruption of existing staff, paperwork required, volatility of magistrates, etc.
All these factors will negatively affect your businesses performance. I have employed many people, and whilst the vast, vast majority are awesome and great employees, there are also those who will abuse this and cause havoc..
Have you got any idea how long such a process would take and the cost of it?
Absolutely right
@@MegaAndygo but the current situation is that you have employers sacking people after 23 months of employment so to avoid them getting their full employment rights and with no recourse for the employee.
@@danpepper2525 Yes, there are rogue employers as well as rogue employees, can't argue with that. In my experience the vast majority of employers and employees just want to do a good job, but there are always exceptions and there should always be some form of protection to an employer in the early days. Offering all the rights from day one is lunacy and will act as an active deterrent to employing people. Now, reducing the 2 year period, to say 12 months, or 9 months would have been the sensible approach because you can pretty much figure out if it's working within the first few months, from both sides. But as usual with the current government, sensible approaches seem to be in short supply....
As an employer (had my own businesses since I was 25 years old), I can confidently say that most of us aren't the demons we are portrayed to be, just people, with a passion and a drive, and we want to be successful and also want our staff to reach their maximum potential and make us proud... maybe the government should have a think about that...
The one thing I agree with is getting rid of Zero hour contracts.
What about workers who want them? They should still be available
@@PLl-jr8xi I've not heard of any workers who say they like zero hours contracts. There are however plenty of employers who claim their workers like them - big difference. Workers don't like it, they just tolerate it because it's better than nothing. That doesn't make it right though.
I like it. You can do what you want, work when you want and don't work when you want, don't have to ask for permission for a holiday like a little child etc. The people who don't like it are the people who want to get paid for not working.. turn up at work do nothing and still get a salary .
@@PLl-jr8xi Are you a worker on a zero-hour contract as a matter of interest? Because to me the only fans of this seem to be unscrupulous employers who use it as an opportunity to wriggle out of the benefits that permanent employees get as a matter or course such as paid leave, holiday pay, sick pay, maternity pay, pension etc, not to mention the unpredictable income and job insecurity.
@@BennySantana501I'm not but i used to be . After the uber case the company I worked for had to change their structure so it didn't work for my anymore. No more large commission because they had change their pay structure. I get where you're coming from because if you're in a fortunate position you don't worry about sick pay etc until you actually need it. I get that I might change my mind on that. But I prefer to give up my rights for holiday pay etc for the ability to do what I want and work or not when I want.
What gets me is Zero hour contracts..What even is that...Nothing..No holiday pay No sick pay No security.
its flexy work for people thsat need it.
@@osmanfadil2451yeah but most people don’t need it as it’s forced upon them because there is nothing else
Yeah, you get holiday pay based on the average hours you’ve worked over the year. Sick pay, unfortunately, is a rarity in virtually all but the jobs where you least need it.
You might not get holiday pay but you can do what you want.. instead of having to ask a "boss" if you can have a day off. No thanks
I love my zero hours contract. It works perfectly. If they take them away, businesses may well fold or employ less people. This will be destructive.
Can we get rid of agency work , jobs via employment agencies at companies. will this be included in unfair dismissal from agency jobs
It's very clear. Don't be a bad employer!
When i instructed my employers to use Blue Asbestos they all refused ..so i sacked all of them ..imagine it now with this new workers rights law ..i would be unable to sack them all !! and i am only a small business .
Not really because that would be relatively fair
If the employee can't do the job it will be the employers fault for not giving them enough suitable training and or adjusting the workplace and job to suit the employee.
That’s not how job descriptions/defined roles work.
This comment is mind boggling...
So you're saying, if I employ someone, and they're unable to do what they've applied for, I should then spend the rest of my days and potentially run my business into the ground concentrating all my effort and adjusting all aspects of the business to suit an individual employees lack of ability ????
😂😂😂😂😂 care nothing for British HUMAN RIGHTS?
Small businesses are finished, thankyou Qu...Starmer
Only the bad ones. Good businesses of any size who do nothing wrong have nothing to fear.
@@ianedwards2496😂😂🤣😂
@@andyquelch5754 ianedwards has obviously never ran a business......
Conservative media... Said exactly the same about the minimum working wage ... The richest don't want anyone to have any rights ....
"im not saying, im not saying!!!" because either its a lie or she knows if she said it the audience would be horrified that she would fire someone for that.
Why Megan and Harry pictures are in front of you news paper😮please leave them alone
I day on a job could be unfair if your dismissed. Because you have not been given a chance. The employer may have a relative who wants a job so decides to get rid of you for no reason. So no workers rights really then.
Fix holiday entitlement. Workers are being cheated out of days. It is amazing how this is not picked up on.
Sounds like if you are bad at job you can be let go before probation with little chance of being sued. What you prob cant do is hire somebody and then just before they get basic employment rights can them. If anything this is just helping out younger employees from being exploited
A probation period of nine months is too long. I have never had one of more than a month. That is nine months of worry hanging over you where you could be got rid of for any reason.
J V getting offensively deluded again
More labour waffle
Anne diddi come 🫤
The public got rid of you because you are a muppet.
Two people who don’t live in the real world there’s only one person in this panel knows what she’s talking about. I’ve worked with people in my trade who are smart intelligent but absolutely crap at the job.
No she doesn't she hasn't even a clue properly about day one rules such as unfair dismissal
This will just give the workshy a fantastic opportunity to work one day a week ,knowing that the employer will be screwed.
No. What chance at a tribunal would a workshy person have? If they are workshy and don't do the job then it's not unfair dismissal.