I made a similar journey with my i3 120Ah My journey was from Wigan to Aberdeen and back. The conditions were much harder for the car. Two men of 120kg each, two women of 75kg each, a 30kg dog and and a boot full of suitcases. The car was overweight for sure with at least 450 kgs on it. The weather? Very heavy rain and strong winds. Temps between 5-15°C. Our speed was at the speed limit most of the time, at 70mph on motorway. With that weather and 4 people and a dog in the car I had the a/c blasting all the time to keep windows clean. The temp was at least at 22°C because our girls freeze at 21. The journey of 708 miles. It was my first long journey, so I was very carefull not to run out of juice and I wanted to keep the battery above 20% just in case something happens. I stopped almost every 70-90 miles to keep the battery over 20% and I charged up to 80-85%. So the usable range for 60% (80% to 20%) was around 90 miles. I charged 9 times, 4 on the way to Aberdeen, once there and 4 more on return Almost all of them were 25-35 minutes long. My average consumption on the dashboard was 3.2 miles/Kwh and I used around (I didn't top it up on return) 210Kwh and the battery at 36% when I returned (210+ around 26Kwh for the rest 64% = 236 total) Real consumtion looks a little bit lower at 3.0 miles/Kwh. 710/236=3.01. The total cost was around £130, similar with my son's diesel Ford Ecostar and my old Octavia 1.9tdi. In the cost I didn't included the snacks I had to buy at every stop. That is a big problem and I have to be very carefull with my weight. It wasn't easy, the conditions were horrible, but I didn't have any problem anywhere with broken chargers or long waits. There was an empty charger everywhere I went. If you have women and dog with you, or children, it's sure that you will stop every 1,5 hour because they don't want anything when they are at the services, but 10 minutes later they will ask you to stop. I loved that car before, now that I know that I can do long journeys for fun (if it's not for work I don't mind if I stop 3-4 times) I love it much more.
Love the videos you guys make about the BMW i3. Always learning so much about this great little car, and yes you can travel just about anyway in an i3. Especially if you code the car and use the range extender. There are a lot of freeways here in Southern California and my i3 does a fantastic job with stretching the miles that you use while driving. Keep up the good work guys !! Thanks :)
Great video, Martin - thank you. Key learning for me: 1. The charge curve graphs were excellent and REALLY show why there's basically no point rapid charging passed about 85%... free up the charge point for the next person and move on...! 2. You seemed to get WAY more info out of the Zap Map Route Planner than I knew even existed - good to know. 3. Oh my Lord... that Volvo Estate that passed you (at about 19:13 in) must've been doing about 90...!! 😮
This was a brilliant example of a complete journey from Scotland to London and illustrated perfectly the need for efficient planning. Your calculations and statistics were great and so thank you for keeping in mind those figures which we all need to consider. Watching your charging activities was also so helpful as I will be picking up my own new EV on Wednesday and at the moment I have a steep learning curve ahead of me. Incidentally, I have a Honda 2.3 Litre Diesel and I have never achieved anywhere near 75 MPG, so the BMW Electric wins hands down on economy.
Such a good film Martin! I watched all the way, from start to finish. A great balance of 'filler' footage on the road, with all the useful stats and help along the way. Fantastic 👏
I have one since 2020 - i still get a smile on my face each time I go to the car to get in for a drive, love the quirky little bastard! The charging is also super reliable, always getting max amps from close-to-zero up all the way to somewhere around 89-91%, high temps, low temps, 1000+km trips, doesn't matter
Ditto, I first sat in an i3 in my local BMW dealers in 2014 and the reception didn’t know they had one at all, dismissing my request to see one. As I sat in it admiring the very nature of it, I scanned all the other cars in the display lot outside. I’d owned 19 BMWs from 1.8 3s to my last one, a 4.4 740 sport; fair to say I was a fan. But as I looked again at the twin exhausts, the wide alloys, huge tyres and air vents etc, I realised I was looking at the past, I’d never buy a car powered by an iron block concealing mini explosions as a means of propulsion. I don’t have the financial resources I used to and have held on to desire to own an i3 and Wisely has finally allowed me to make the move into a used 42kwh version. Martin, your calm and informative video just proved that we (my wife and I) can easily traverse the U.K. in an i3 when required and I’ll be in touch to see what stock you have. Cheers Geoff
I first sat in an i3 in my local BMW dealers in 2014 and the reception didn’t know they had one at all, dismissing my request to see one. As I sat in it admiring the very nature of it, I scanned all the other cars in the display lot outside. I’d owned 19 BMWs from 1.8 3s to my last one, a 4.4 740 sport; fair to say I was a fan. But as I looked again at the twin exhausts, the wide alloys, huge tyres and air vents etc, I realised I was looking at the past, I’d never buy a car powered by an iron block concealing mini explosions as a means of propulsion. I don’t have the financial resources I used to and have held on to my desire to own an i3 and Wisely your video has provided me with the confidence to make the move into a used 42kwh version. Martin, your calm and informative video just proved that we (my wife and I) can easily traverse the U.K. in an i3 when required and I’ll be in touch to see what stock you have. Cheers Geoff
Thanks Martin...perfect timing for many of us this time of year. Heading from Philadelphia area to Boston next month for our first long trip since purchased the 2021 last September. It’s only 323 miles and with a good range of 160 miles I was surprised at all the stops. I would think 3 max??? We won’t be in a hurry so we’ll stop and not risk it.
We’ve got the 94ah with range extender at work and I managed 220 miles recently mainly motorway. I’ve discovered over the last few years the i3 hates motorways as it kills the range.
@@ITsupportian 80-90kmph is a bit too slow for me.. 120-130 is nicer - since the charging speed is 45+kW, you are basically faster that way (unless your travel is close to the max range, where one stop is slower than no stops)
Ok, it’s just me… now you’ve told us you relocated from Glasgow, I keep on getting hints of Glaswegian in your accent!! Excellent work, as ever Martin. I’m a recently new i3 owner, and (ashamed to say), I was courting one of yours, but ended up getting another. Regardless, you’re still the authority and where I learnt everything from to assess the one I did buy. Thank you!
Super impressive for a so called short range city EV. Now imagine doing the same journey in a LEAF 40 I wonder how much longer the charging stops might have been once the battery heated up ;-) i3 still punching for “old tech last gen” I’m loving my 120Ah :-)
I'm a stickler for efficiency and simplicity but the way I see it, the weight savings in the design of the I3 makes the REX a reasonable option despite carrying around an extra 120kgs. I don't want to rely on public chargers or extra degradation from DC charging and don't want to be stuck when there are power outages.
Great video and interesting perspective. I did a similar journey in 2018 from Neist Point Lighthouse to Southwest London, which was just shy of 700 miles in my Volvo D5. I did that trip nonstop in 13 hours and on less than 1 tank of fuel - around 60 litres of diesel. With at that being said, i3 did an amazing job with its relatively small battery.
Great video, I'm considering changing to electric and watching your videos is giving me pretty much all the relevant info I need to make an informed decision, thanks
I really like the i3 and would consider buying one. For now I have a VW California campervan from 2008 and I have driven that route multiple times in it. On a run like that it will do 35 to 40 mpg and so cost about twice as much as charging the i3 up at public stations. But my van sleeps 4 and you can cook your tea in it! Last time I drove down to London I shifted all my daughter's possessions. Just eating in the van at the services would save the cost of the extra fuel if money was really tight. But my diesel gets hit big time by the LEZ when I get to London!!
Great video and very informative. I’ve been doing so much research at the minute for one of these Bmw i3’s and these videos you do really help. My next bit of research is to find out which trim level to get!!
Great video. Obviously, this car isn't designed for continuous long trips, but with some planning, it's doable, as you showed. Because the price of these are coming down and because there's still the tax credit that applies to used i3s, I'm considering getting this. It's either this or the mini cooper countryman All 4 PHEV. Most of my driving is less than 15 miles roundtrip, so I can do that on the countryman's battery.
Super informative vlog. Excellent job!!. I don't drive an EV and probably won't for as long as I can hold out. But if I did and based on all that i've read fhe BMW i3, is top of my list. I love the quirky design. Thanks soo much for this great and neutral information !!
I did some trips with my 60 Ah rex recently Power is much cheaper in canada. I did one leg using the REx and not stopping for a charge. On the way back I stopped twice to 60% and did not use gas. It was not a huge deal and much cheaper then gas. Gas would have cost me about $13 while fast charging was$6 as martin said, if you are not doing a lot of road trips its fine. And if you are in a hurry just use the REX and you can charge the gas tank in 2 min.
Question: 10:08 you mention it’s running old CarPlay software. Is there a newer software patch? It’s a 2021 car? I have the same in that I can only run CarPlay in split screen on my 2019 i3s
The cost breakdown compared to a diesel vehicle was really interesting. Because You can easily achieve 50-55 mpg with considerate driving (I guess even same average) in a period relevant car (FE Mercedes W213 E class 220D - 120kW). Then You add in the cost of Your own time You don´t spend charging and the i3 is blown out of the water. I love the car and planning on buying it, plus I don´t even live in the UK so the costs are irrelevant to me, but I just found it interesting because I thought it would be a bit more cheap.
Wetherby Services on the A1M would have been a better bet as they have around 16 Gridserve chargers there. We drive a Tesla so charging is about 35ppKw, with over 300 mile range that would be one stop, charging to 100% overnight on Octopus would be pennies plus the one stop on the way...wonder what our cost would be....under £20 I guess !
Thanks for showing use of route planning apps and the performance data. Given the average speed was a maximum of 60 mph, the performance in summer was fairly mediocre. Driving motirways at 60 mph isn't great as you are in the slow lane much of the time and so surrounded by lorries. If you' d set an average speed at the motorway maximum of 70 mph, how would this have reduced the range and increased the number of recharge stops?
Hi Martin, given that no one wants to arrive at a public charger with zero and there’s a useable 38kwh in total, do I take it that an i3 has a reliable 32kwh available for longer journeys? If so, this means charging after 115 miles at 3.5 miles per kWh and 128 miles at 4 miles per kWh. I think we can live with that and this video proves it.
@@tonyrobinson362well it was a while back 2012, I averaged just over 61mpg, about 820miles, on 60 litres. So today (2023uk) it would cost around £100 on fuel. London to Edinburgh. I’d probably do a few more stops now, but the point is with this you don’t have to think about stopping unless you want to and where you want to not some crappy service station.
If you have the Rex model, you can start running the Rex as soon as you start driving. The Rex engine by itself should provide you with about 150 miles by itself, without ev mode.
The REx can be turned on once the battery level drops below 75% but even then, we realistically only get no more than 60 miles on petrol at motorway speeds.
Thanks for the video, great one as always! Do you have any guess or experience how the range of the car is changing when it has the sportpack option? Is it similar to i3s? Thanks in advance!
We haven't done any proper tests on i3s vs non-S range, but we are pretty confident in saying the range of the i3s is identical to a standard i3 with the sport pack. The drop in range comes from worse aerodynamics (from the extended wheel arches and wider tires), not necessarily from having more power (as it's only the software which is different, meaning if you drive them the same way, the motors will use equal amounts of power).
Nice one BTW I'm only drive in Comfort Mode and have the climate on auto 20 and drive it as a normal car getting 4.4 M / kWh (i3 120Ah). I'm not a big fan of ABRP making way to many charging stops and too complicated just using my own common sense and getting everywhere including through Europe
Great video as always. Regards CarPlay and i3's do they support Android Auto? Plus if not Android Auto can a 2019 i3 be configured to use CarPlay in software?
Great film. I saw that you had the splitscreen CarPlay and talked about that you would look at that when you got back to office.. Did you fix it?. Mine is the same and I would like to have the CarPlay in fullscreen
The car has already sold but it is an issue we are investigating to fully understand - it will be documented in a dedicated CarPlay video at some point in the future.
Question to Wisely Automotive: French owner here, 2016 94Ah+Rex, 153000km... Is there any a procedure to optimize my not so fresh kappa max (25.5 instead of 27+ factory claimed) ? Thanks a lot ! Tom
Many thanks, Martin. As always another informative video. I liked the grey interior. Which interior is it? I have the Suite interior and I can never remember the difference between the other two.
The grey cloth is the standard Atelier interior. Definitely up there as one of our favourites, despite not being the most “luxurious” in the traditional sense of the word. Comfortable, easier to maintain than the brighter colours, durable, and probably the most eco friendly. We will have a dedicated video on the i3 interiors because there is quite a bit to discuss…
@@wiselyauto Thanks for your swift reply, Martin. I think the Atelier interior would probably suit me if I decide to upgrade from my 60ah i3. I may contact Wisely soon to see if there is a 120 I could change to.
Hi Martin in the video you stated that the sat nav was linked to predicted range - so when you set a destination the range changes to reflect the roads that you’ll be travelling on… I didn’t think this was the case and that in the i3 there was no interactive range on the GOM? Is this something that’s maybe changed on later vehicles?
We believe it has been there from the start. The accuracy of prediction depends on how up to date your maps are (some countries have more detailed topography data than others) + the obvious factors such as sticking to speed limits, your driving style, and so on. You are correct though that unlike some newer vehicles, you can’t really see how well you are doing compared to the prediction, estimated state of charge on arrival, etc.
Quick question - you mentioned the congestion charge, but aren’t EVs exempt anyway? I presume as you only just picked it up, you haven’t registered it (or there isn’t an option for trade plates registration).
You need to have a V5 issued in your name to register for the 100% discount and even then the whole process can take a couple of days, so it’s not an option for us as a trader. Full video on the topic here: ruclips.net/video/j0JvJOY5B70/видео.html
great video, I wasn't aware that the range guess will update when there's a destination set! Do you have a video on upgrading software? you mentioned the car was running an older version.
@@wiselyauto Awesome, looking forward to it. I have a 2021 car which has the small iDrive wheel with no touch input. I understand now I've been conned or didn't order something I should have!
Shows that there is no money to be saved and journeys will take much longer... That journey for me would be two 20 minute stops maximum... Also a lot of technical planning for the average person to figure out... Of course the BMW is a good city commuter.. Home charging is the 'only' way to go with EVs...
Average UK driver doesn't go more than 30 miles per day. I'll happily pay for fast charging on occasional road trips, the money saved charging at home more than makes up for it. Also this is an i3, a city car that isn't really intended for long distance driving. There are lots of EV options with larger batteries that could have done this journey with only one or two stops.
Seems like EV cars are very costly to use. I used to get 1000km on €70 or £55 of diesel. This 435 mile journey costs nearly double with electricity. Stopping 4 times to charge, makes the journey take ages. Im preety sure a diesel could easily drive 435 miles non stop.
1000km using £55 of diesel works out to 3.06 litres/100km (with diesel currently at roughly £1.80/litre). Not sure what vehicle you have, but there is no way we would get that in the real world, even from a small car, at motorway speeds...
Sorry I meant to say €70 used to buy me 45 to 50 litres at around €1.20 to €1.30 per litre before covid. In spring 2020 i remember buying diesel for just 84 cents per litre in Luxembourg and filled the tank for €36. 1kw of power was only 10p before covid. Now its 35p per kw at home and well over 50p with a rapid CCS charger on the road. Some places are charging 70p for 1 kw. Imagine you owned a Tesla and needed 110 kw to fill it up, at 70p thats €77 for just 300 miles if you drive slowly in town. To drive 1000km you would need 2 full battery charges for town and at least 3 charges for fast driving on the highway. Thats either €160 or €220... Diesel today is €110 to €125 to fill up in about 5 mins including paying the kiosk girl. So a Tesla cost double the cost of Diesel in 2023 at the moment. However im looking for an i3 bmw to hedge my bets. Looks like Oil will go up soon. A lot.
I’m listening to this on my i3 on a 2,200-mile journey from Texas to Seattle!
You're a brave one!
I'm planning a trip from San Antonio to fort worth and even that is stressing me out😂
@@vend.ee.s - you should do it! I made it from San Antonio to Seattle. Took 5 full days but made it! Woohoo!!
Do you at least have the range extender?
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 - I do! I made it pretty easily and in about the same time it took to drive my ICE car.
I made a similar journey with my i3 120Ah
My journey was from Wigan to Aberdeen and back. The conditions were much harder for the car. Two men of 120kg each, two women of 75kg each, a 30kg dog and and a boot full of suitcases. The car was overweight for sure with at least 450 kgs on it.
The weather? Very heavy rain and strong winds. Temps between 5-15°C. Our speed was at the speed limit most of the time, at 70mph on motorway. With that weather and 4 people and a dog in the car I had the a/c blasting all the time to keep windows clean. The temp was at least at 22°C because our girls freeze at 21.
The journey of 708 miles. It was my first long journey, so I was very carefull not to run out of juice and I wanted to keep the battery above 20% just in case something happens. I stopped almost every 70-90 miles to keep the battery over 20% and I charged up to 80-85%. So the usable range for 60% (80% to 20%) was around 90 miles. I charged 9 times, 4 on the way to Aberdeen, once there and 4 more on return Almost all of them were 25-35 minutes long. My average consumption on the dashboard was 3.2 miles/Kwh and I used around (I didn't top it up on return) 210Kwh and the battery at 36% when I returned (210+ around 26Kwh for the rest 64% = 236 total) Real consumtion looks a little bit lower at 3.0 miles/Kwh. 710/236=3.01. The total cost was around £130, similar with my son's diesel Ford Ecostar and my old Octavia 1.9tdi. In the cost I didn't included the snacks I had to buy at every stop. That is a big problem and I have to be very carefull with my weight.
It wasn't easy, the conditions were horrible, but I didn't have any problem anywhere with broken chargers or long waits. There was an empty charger everywhere I went. If you have women and dog with you, or children, it's sure that you will stop every 1,5 hour because they don't want anything when they are at the services, but 10 minutes later they will ask you to stop. I loved that car before, now that I know that I can do long journeys for fun (if it's not for work I don't mind if I stop 3-4 times) I love it much more.
Sounds like a fascinating journey 😉
So I guess about 1000km journey, nice
Martin creates such high quality videos. His presentation is so concise.
Love the videos you guys make about the BMW i3. Always learning so much about this great little car, and yes you can travel just about anyway in an i3. Especially if you code the car and use the range extender. There are a lot of freeways here in Southern California and my i3 does a fantastic job with stretching the miles that you use while driving. Keep up the good work guys !! Thanks :)
Fortunately no need for REx coding here in the UK. 😎
Great video, Martin - thank you.
Key learning for me:
1. The charge curve graphs were excellent and REALLY show why there's basically no point rapid charging passed about 85%... free up the charge point for the next person and move on...!
2. You seemed to get WAY more info out of the Zap Map Route Planner than I knew even existed - good to know.
3. Oh my Lord... that Volvo Estate that passed you (at about 19:13 in) must've been doing about 90...!! 😮
This was a brilliant example of a complete journey from Scotland to London and illustrated perfectly the need for efficient planning. Your calculations and statistics were great and so thank you for keeping in mind those figures which we all need to consider. Watching your charging activities was also so helpful as I will be picking up my own new EV on Wednesday and at the moment I have a steep learning curve ahead of me.
Incidentally, I have a Honda 2.3 Litre Diesel and I have never achieved anywhere near 75 MPG, so the BMW Electric wins hands down on economy.
Such a good film Martin! I watched all the way, from start to finish. A great balance of 'filler' footage on the road, with all the useful stats and help along the way. Fantastic 👏
I'm planning to get an i3(first ev) soon, so your videos have been extremely helpful. Thanks for all you excellent content👍
I have one since 2020 - i still get a smile on my face each time I go to the car to get in for a drive, love the quirky little bastard!
The charging is also super reliable, always getting max amps from close-to-zero up all the way to somewhere around 89-91%, high temps, low temps, 1000+km trips, doesn't matter
Ditto, I first sat in an i3 in my local BMW dealers in 2014 and the reception didn’t know they had one at all, dismissing my request to see one. As I sat in it admiring the very nature of it, I scanned all the other cars in the display lot outside. I’d owned 19 BMWs from 1.8 3s to my last one, a 4.4 740 sport; fair to say I was a fan. But as I looked again at the twin exhausts, the wide alloys, huge tyres and air vents etc, I realised I was looking at the past, I’d never buy a car powered by an iron block concealing mini explosions as a means of propulsion. I don’t have the financial resources I used to and have held on to desire to own an i3 and Wisely has finally allowed me to make the move into a used 42kwh version. Martin, your calm and informative video just proved that we (my wife and I) can easily traverse the U.K. in an i3 when required and I’ll be in touch to see what stock you have. Cheers Geoff
I first sat in an i3 in my local BMW dealers in 2014 and the reception didn’t know they had one at all, dismissing my request to see one. As I sat in it admiring the very nature of it, I scanned all the other cars in the display lot outside. I’d owned 19 BMWs from 1.8 3s to my last one, a 4.4 740 sport; fair to say I was a fan. But as I looked again at the twin exhausts, the wide alloys, huge tyres and air vents etc, I realised I was looking at the past, I’d never buy a car powered by an iron block concealing mini explosions as a means of propulsion. I don’t have the financial resources I used to and have held on to my desire to own an i3 and Wisely your video has provided me with the confidence to make the move into a used 42kwh version. Martin, your calm and informative video just proved that we (my wife and I) can easily traverse the U.K. in an i3 when required and I’ll be in touch to see what stock you have. Cheers Geoff
Thanks Martin...perfect timing for many of us this time of year. Heading from Philadelphia area to Boston next month for our first long trip since purchased the 2021 last September. It’s only 323 miles and with a good range of 160 miles I was surprised at all the stops. I would think 3 max??? We won’t be in a hurry so we’ll stop and not risk it.
We’ve got the 94ah with range extender at work and I managed 220 miles recently mainly motorway. I’ve discovered over the last few years the i3 hates motorways as it kills the range.
It is unfortunately true. At the end of the day, the i3 is quite an upright and short vehicle, so can’t beat physics - aerodynamics taking the toll.
All EVs
I get more mileage on freeway... its called drafting on trucks or other cars
@@ITsupportian 80-90kmph is a bit too slow for me.. 120-130 is nicer - since the charging speed is 45+kW, you are basically faster that way (unless your travel is close to the max range, where one stop is slower than no stops)
Great information on this video we are in the beginning process of thinking of our first Ev so this is really helpful
Great planning and execution.
So impressed with “My BMW” and your use of its features.
Awesome video. Just waiting on my new i3s to be delivered. Can’t wait to see how far I’ll get
Enjoy the new car!
To me this sounds more interesting than just driving nonstop in a gas car, maybe because it sounds like a game & I like taking more stops than most.
Ok, it’s just me… now you’ve told us you relocated from Glasgow, I keep on getting hints of Glaswegian in your accent!! Excellent work, as ever Martin. I’m a recently new i3 owner, and (ashamed to say), I was courting one of yours, but ended up getting another. Regardless, you’re still the authority and where I learnt everything from to assess the one I did buy. Thank you!
Ps - when I called one day, you picked up the phone and I went a bit fanboy on you. I’m a grown man, father of 3… Apologies…
He sounds Dutch
@@davidjack3 No it's Eastern European accent, my guess would be Czech Republic.
Really informative, love the cost break down and charging times great video !!
Super impressive for a so called short range city EV. Now imagine doing the same journey in a LEAF 40 I wonder how much longer the charging stops might have been once the battery heated up ;-) i3 still punching for “old tech last gen” I’m loving my 120Ah :-)
I love the I3, but is one of the worst cars out of the city for his "bad aero"
What an excellent video…I’m looking to purchase a second hand i3 soon and your knowledge is proving very useful. 👍
Very interesting and useful video. Thanks.
What a brilliant video!
Thanks for making it and sharing 🙏
I'm a stickler for efficiency and simplicity but the way I see it, the weight savings in the design of the I3 makes the REX a reasonable option despite carrying around an extra 120kgs.
I don't want to rely on public chargers or extra degradation from DC charging and don't want to be stuck when there are power outages.
Great video and interesting perspective.
I did a similar journey in 2018 from Neist Point Lighthouse to Southwest London, which was just shy of 700 miles in my Volvo D5. I did that trip nonstop in 13 hours and on less than 1 tank of fuel - around 60 litres of diesel.
With at that being said, i3 did an amazing job with its relatively small battery.
Great video, I'm considering changing to electric and watching your videos is giving me pretty much all the relevant info I need to make an informed decision, thanks
Well, you know where to get in touch if you are in the market for one! 😉
I really like the i3 and would consider buying one. For now I have a VW California campervan from 2008 and I have driven that route multiple times in it. On a run like that it will do 35 to 40 mpg and so cost about twice as much as charging the i3 up at public stations. But my van sleeps 4 and you can cook your tea in it! Last time I drove down to London I shifted all my daughter's possessions. Just eating in the van at the services would save the cost of the extra fuel if money was really tight. But my diesel gets hit big time by the LEZ when I get to London!!
Good video learning alot about charging times on the i3 keep them coming
Very informative video, Martin. Well done.
Totally agree that more AC charging would improve road trips and reduce queues at DC chargers.
Great video and very informative. I’ve been doing so much research at the minute for one of these Bmw i3’s and these videos you do really help. My next bit of research is to find out which trim level to get!!
Fantastic welldone i drive petrol at moment but vlogs like yours makes me wonder.
Great video. Obviously, this car isn't designed for continuous long trips, but with some planning, it's doable, as you showed. Because the price of these are coming down and because there's still the tax credit that applies to used i3s, I'm considering getting this. It's either this or the mini cooper countryman All 4 PHEV. Most of my driving is less than 15 miles roundtrip, so I can do that on the countryman's battery.
Excellent video Martin.
Super informative vlog. Excellent job!!. I don't drive an EV and probably won't for as long as I can hold out. But if I did and based on all that i've read fhe BMW i3, is top of my list. I love the quirky design. Thanks soo much for this great and neutral information !!
The i3 is lovely and you can always go for the Range Extender version if you want to ease into the world of EVs.
I did some trips with my 60 Ah rex recently Power is much cheaper in canada. I did one leg using the REx and not stopping for a charge. On the way back I stopped twice to 60% and did not use gas. It was not a huge deal and much cheaper then gas. Gas would have cost me about $13 while fast charging was$6 as martin said, if you are not doing a lot of road trips its fine. And if you are in a hurry just use the REX and you can charge the gas tank in 2 min.
Great video thank you very interesting and great that you included a breakdown of the cost 😎👍
Question: 10:08 you mention it’s running old CarPlay software. Is there a newer software patch? It’s a 2021 car? I have the same in that I can only run CarPlay in split screen on my 2019 i3s
The cost breakdown compared to a diesel vehicle was really interesting. Because You can easily achieve 50-55 mpg with considerate driving (I guess even same average) in a period relevant car (FE Mercedes W213 E class 220D - 120kW). Then You add in the cost of Your own time You don´t spend charging and the i3 is blown out of the water.
I love the car and planning on buying it, plus I don´t even live in the UK so the costs are irrelevant to me, but I just found it interesting because I thought it would be a bit more cheap.
Informative as always, thanks Martin
Another great video. Real world experience. Keep them coming I am learning a lot.🙏
Very interesting, thanks for making such a useful video. 🏴🏴
Wetherby Services on the A1M would have been a better bet as they have around 16 Gridserve chargers there. We drive a Tesla so charging is about 35ppKw, with over 300 mile range that would be one stop, charging to 100% overnight on Octopus would be pennies plus the one stop on the way...wonder what our cost would be....under £20 I guess !
Thanks for showing use of route planning apps and the performance data. Given the average speed was a maximum of 60 mph, the performance in summer was fairly mediocre. Driving motirways at 60 mph isn't great as you are in the slow lane much of the time and so surrounded by lorries. If you' d set an average speed at the motorway maximum of 70 mph, how would this have reduced the range and increased the number of recharge stops?
Hi Martin, given that no one wants to arrive at a public charger with zero and there’s a useable 38kwh in total, do I take it that an i3 has a reliable 32kwh available for longer journeys? If so, this means charging after 115 miles at 3.5 miles per kWh and 128 miles at 4 miles per kWh. I think we can live with that and this video proves it.
brilliant video full with lots of useful information. thank you!👍
Thanks for the info, I f I buy a used i3 it'll be because of your help!
I loved my 60ah i3 back in 2017. It was nicer to drive than my Tesla model S.
Brilliant. Also could you tell me where to purchas, i-3 brake caliper covers, it's a 2015 rex, many thanks, cheers Harry.
I like the i3, but I’ve done that journey both ways without filling up in 520d. Had to take a one stop each way but that’s it.
At what cost?
@@tonyrobinson362well it was a while back 2012, I averaged just over 61mpg, about 820miles, on 60 litres. So today (2023uk) it would cost around £100 on fuel. London to Edinburgh. I’d probably do a few more stops now, but the point is with this you don’t have to think about stopping unless you want to and where you want to not some crappy service station.
ABRP video would be useful. When I tried it for a motorway trip along M4 M25 M26 M20, ABRP selected chargers that were not at motorway services. 😱
If you have the Rex model, you can start running the Rex as soon as you start driving. The Rex engine by itself should provide you with about 150 miles by itself, without ev mode.
The REx can be turned on once the battery level drops below 75% but even then, we realistically only get no more than 60 miles on petrol at motorway speeds.
@@wiselyauto there's a hack where you can turn it on sooner.
Thanks for the video, great one as always! Do you have any guess or experience how the range of the car is changing when it has the sportpack option? Is it similar to i3s? Thanks in advance!
We haven't done any proper tests on i3s vs non-S range, but we are pretty confident in saying the range of the i3s is identical to a standard i3 with the sport pack.
The drop in range comes from worse aerodynamics (from the extended wheel arches and wider tires), not necessarily from having more power (as it's only the software which is different, meaning if you drive them the same way, the motors will use equal amounts of power).
I have the i3 with sports package, it has wider summer tires, so, summer range is slightly less 5-10% or so.
Nice one BTW I'm only drive in Comfort Mode and have the climate on auto 20 and drive it as a normal car getting 4.4 M / kWh (i3 120Ah). I'm not a big fan of ABRP making way to many charging stops and too complicated just using my own common sense and getting everywhere including through Europe
Great video as always. Regards CarPlay and i3's do they support Android Auto? Plus if not Android Auto can a 2019 i3 be configured to use CarPlay in software?
Great film. I saw that you had the splitscreen CarPlay and talked about that you would look at that when you got back to office.. Did you fix it?. Mine is the same and I would like to have the CarPlay in fullscreen
The car has already sold but it is an issue we are investigating to fully understand - it will be documented in a dedicated CarPlay video at some point in the future.
Thanks !
Lovely video Martin. What do you use to generate the Map graphics?
Question to Wisely Automotive:
French owner here, 2016 94Ah+Rex, 153000km...
Is there any a procedure to optimize my not so fresh kappa max (25.5 instead of 27+ factory claimed) ?
Thanks a lot !
Tom
Many thanks, Martin. As always another informative video. I liked the grey interior. Which interior is it? I have the Suite interior and I can never remember the difference between the other two.
The grey cloth is the standard Atelier interior. Definitely up there as one of our favourites, despite not being the most “luxurious” in the traditional sense of the word.
Comfortable, easier to maintain than the brighter colours, durable, and probably the most eco friendly.
We will have a dedicated video on the i3 interiors because there is quite a bit to discuss…
@@wiselyauto Thanks for your swift reply, Martin. I think the Atelier interior would probably suit me if I decide to upgrade from my 60ah i3. I may contact Wisely soon to see if there is a 120 I could change to.
@@joandrage4442 there is...
It's just done an easy 435 mile trip from Edinburgh...!! 😉
einfach super...
Hi Martin in the video you stated that the sat nav was linked to predicted range - so when you set a destination the range changes to reflect the roads that you’ll be travelling on… I didn’t think this was the case and that in the i3 there was no interactive range on the GOM? Is this something that’s maybe changed on later vehicles?
We believe it has been there from the start. The accuracy of prediction depends on how up to date your maps are (some countries have more detailed topography data than others) + the obvious factors such as sticking to speed limits, your driving style, and so on.
You are correct though that unlike some newer vehicles, you can’t really see how well you are doing compared to the prediction, estimated state of charge on arrival, etc.
Quick question - you mentioned the congestion charge, but aren’t EVs exempt anyway? I presume as you only just picked it up, you haven’t registered it (or there isn’t an option for trade plates registration).
You need to have a V5 issued in your name to register for the 100% discount and even then the whole process can take a couple of days, so it’s not an option for us as a trader.
Full video on the topic here:
ruclips.net/video/j0JvJOY5B70/видео.html
great video, I wasn't aware that the range guess will update when there's a destination set!
Do you have a video on upgrading software? you mentioned the car was running an older version.
We are planning on making a dedicated CarPlay video which will cover the topic of software/updates as well.
@@wiselyauto Awesome, looking forward to it. I have a 2021 car which has the small iDrive wheel with no touch input. I understand now I've been conned or didn't order something I should have!
Next time try the app mi3
After doing 2,500 miles in 4 days with my ‘14 60Ah BEV recently I can guarantee that:
a) it is possible, and
b) it is not recommended
Shows that there is no money to be saved and journeys will take much longer... That journey for me would be two 20 minute stops maximum...
Also a lot of technical planning for the average person to figure out...
Of course the BMW is a good city commuter.. Home charging is the 'only' way to go with EVs...
Average UK driver doesn't go more than 30 miles per day. I'll happily pay for fast charging on occasional road trips, the money saved charging at home more than makes up for it. Also this is an i3, a city car that isn't really intended for long distance driving. There are lots of EV options with larger batteries that could have done this journey with only one or two stops.
Seems like EV cars are very costly to use. I used to get 1000km on €70 or £55 of diesel. This 435 mile journey costs nearly double with electricity. Stopping 4 times to charge, makes the journey take ages. Im preety sure a diesel could easily drive 435 miles non stop.
1000km using £55 of diesel works out to 3.06 litres/100km (with diesel currently at roughly £1.80/litre).
Not sure what vehicle you have, but there is no way we would get that in the real world, even from a small car, at motorway speeds...
Sorry I meant to say €70 used to buy me 45 to 50 litres at around €1.20 to €1.30 per litre before covid. In spring 2020 i remember buying diesel for just 84 cents per litre in Luxembourg and filled the tank for €36. 1kw of power was only 10p before covid.
Now its 35p per kw at home and well over 50p with a rapid CCS charger on the road. Some places are charging 70p for 1 kw.
Imagine you owned a Tesla and needed 110 kw to fill it up, at 70p thats €77 for just 300 miles if you drive slowly in town. To drive 1000km you would need 2 full battery charges for town and at least 3 charges for fast driving on the highway. Thats either €160 or €220... Diesel today is €110 to €125 to fill up in about 5 mins including paying the kiosk girl. So a Tesla cost double the cost of Diesel in 2023 at the moment.
However im looking for an i3 bmw to hedge my bets. Looks like Oil will go up soon. A lot.
Electricity now much higher cost.
Martin, if you tell me where you live, I'll buy a house next door to you, then buy an i3s.
LOL “not a new kind of videos”
pls use km and 100km/kwh