The question is what chemicals change the structure of the tire testing? In karting with my son we were a limited budget team tire prep was allowed but we didn't have the knowledge or money to have numerous tires with different prep programs. So what we used was Simple green and wd40 and it did help would either one of those show up on test sample. Reason I am asking if you use something like simple green or another product like it to clean your tires could it show up on the testing.
Hoosier will never allow unregulated tire prep, because if a series allows unregulated tire prep, then the next logical move is to allow other tire manufacturers. Follow the money.
If "doping" the tires makes them better, maybe Hoosier should just "dope" all of the tires before selling them. Then everyone is equal with better tires. Maybe there needs to be some competition in the tire arena. Seems like Goodyear, Firestone and others can make a damn good racing tire.
This is really close to the heart of the issue. The manufacturers pay big money to the series to keep there name on the banner. And they don't want any kind of competition against the money they invested.... Especially hoosier, they hate tire dope.....
A sprint car class that I used to race had a rule where whatever tires qualified on, had to be on the car during the feature, and those tires on the car purchased before the race even all tires had to be in clear vision of all teams Behind the race car at the trailers
There are inherent dangers from soaking tires. Some of the chemicals used to soften rubber are corosive. I had a friend who soaked tires for years. He fell and broke his arm. He found out that he had bone cancer. Later on his arm developed infection. He lost his arm and later his life. Before passed away from cancer. He found out he got cancer from the chemicals he was using to soak racing tires.
I used to race dirt oval rc cars and you can use tire prep and if you don’t use it your not wining lol it made that big of a difference if you did not prep the tires your will finish in last place
I can back that up the right prep on our rc cars can be a couple tenths a lap and when you’re running 4 second laps that’s a huge difference. Sucks spending the extra money for prep and more frequently having to buy tires but we don’t have a choice
@@nathansoltis7032 they don't test for chemicals they test to see if the properties of the tires have changed from the sample they have on tested that was given to them by the tire manufacture from all articles I have read.
@nathansoltis7032 Well, it's a long prep for the tires, but you're essentially restructuring the molecular makeup of the rubber. The longer soak the "deeper" into the rubber you go, but the outer layer is way too mushy at that point. This is essentially what the tire test is looking for. If the tire is given an ice bath, the opposite effect happens. The breakdown that happens on the track is totally different than either of these, so the test can tell the difference. The chemicals does this rapidly. Also the same reason F1 cars have their tires on warmers before and during the race, and they can take turns at incredible speeds.
Honestly, the only way to truly get rid of Tire Dope is to allow it in certain situations or certain races. For example, 100 lap races allow tire dope, but if the tire blows, the teams have to put on the hardest tire compound. Also, local racing is being hit hard by tire dope. But it's not being found because the track promoters no longer care because Atleast its putting on better racing. We have small, under financed teams running at the front of shows they normally couldn't because they can't afford brand new tires each and ever week.
This whole thing is essentially "gun control." They are saying ban tire prep instead of just allowing more tire companies into the sport to bring cost down and performance up.
Either issue tires at the track off the Hoosier trailer, or let them be soaked. There will always be cheaters in every level of racing from kids on carts to Formula 1
Exactly my thought I have always wondered what happened to Cameron and had a good feeling that is what he was doing he had his own trailer and bragged about how well he took care of the tires.
Tbf milbridgre impounds tires and wheels as well as many other series. If it's that big of an issue. The series needs to make it where you get the tires from them at the track have them mounted at the track.
If doping the tires make them better. What about making a better tire? Or you bring your wheels to a “tire trailer” they mount them in front of officials and driver. Obviously have to pay a series fee. They also do all the tire samples. If you choose not to you automatically get sampled.
I think if you pay for the tire ,then you should be able to soak it, grind it, cut it ,whatever. It is bad enough that the series mandates what tires you have to buy if you want to race
Nooooooo!!! Simply put… any tire compound change’s and its a dq… Or have a tire ‘prep’ company do all the tire’s and compound them 🤷♂️.. Lets face it.. A lot more them bragging right’s on the line
You brought it up by using kart racing, each track uses different prep, in fact there are tire gurus. My opinion is the lab needs to show what chemicals that are non conforming
My question is if the stuff makes the tires that much better why is Hoosier not doing it from the factory to improve their product then it would be the baseline.
I know the answer- but who can tell me what soaking the tires actually does and how long it lasts for? For the amount of tires Pierce and Moran had tested at Volusia during the Dirt Car Nationals- added to how many dozens upon dozens of tire tests that they passed last year- you cannot get me to believe they purposely decided to cheat this time!! I am far more concerned with drivers running tires that are softer than mandated, and a durometer can easily take care of measuring that. Also- if some tech guy wants to tell me that "science does not lie", I give you exhibit A- COVID. After over 13 years in the Biomedical/Medical Device industry, and more than that crewing and car owning in dirt racing, I will guarantee you it is easier to "cheat" the science than it is to cheat in racing and not get caught. Bottom line- get the scientific testing and ridiculous wait times for results out of racing! WRG in the end will realize they did far more damage to themselves with their ridiculous over-weighted fines and suspensions out of the sport. Take the purse money and points away for the night if you feel they cheated- just like any other rule doesn't pass (weight, droop, etc.), but for goodness' sake don't sabotage your own brand by driving the teams and the fans away with your poor communication and decision making!!
@@jamietwigg4845 A mass spec is only as good as the sample that is provided and prepped for it. I have not seen the SOP's, AM's, any other documentation or results from Blue Ridge- apparently, no drivers have either. I know I would not prep the samples the way they do- and neither does ARDL.
@@jsadowski44 They don't have to show you the data so... Having the team take the sample from 3 different spots on the tire, each one put in a vial and sealed, and placed in a self seal bag and signed by 3 different people before the next sample is taken, and the process repeated. All 3 samples for those 3 all failed. Those preps change the chemical compound of the tire, the MS just breaks down the compounds and displays them they use a baseline sent from Hoosier.
@@jamietwigg4845 No data=no proof. WIth no proof- they cannot tell me if the chemical compound from one batch to the next is the same. How old is the baseline they use? don't know? no date= no proof. Who sold the tires to these drivers? Did they come from the vendor already contaminated? Don't know? No data= no proof. Don't get me started on how many variables can be used to falsify lab test results. Don't even tell me whoever delivered the tire samples to the lab- did not let the lab know which ones to add some tire altering agent to give them a false reading. You say that's not happening?? NO DATA=NO PROOF. Is the testing lab on continuous video surveillance? I would bet not- NO DATA-=NO PROOF. If WRG feels that everyone should turn a blind eye- and believe the BS- just like we did with COVID? Then they ARE the problem. (and looky here- Blue Ridge is making money selling COVID test kits......enough said!!!)
@@jamietwigg4845 Apparently my last answer was a little too racy for my Joiner friends- so I will try to be less specific and more polite this time. As I said previously, a mass spec is only as good as the sample that is prepped for it- However- if the failed samples in question did indeed have chemical compound changes as you suggested, that would indeed change the durometer reading. You can only get more grip from a tire 2 ways- make it softer- or make it stickier. If you make it stickier, you will see, feel and smell the difference in the tire physically- as the prep must adhere to the top of the rubber- and you will definitely see and/or smell the difference when you bring your groover up and burn/cut the sample off to present to the officials. Tech is not an easy game- there is no reason to make it any harder than it needs to be.
Penalties are for PURPOSE!!! Penalty outweigh benefit!!! If rules aren't enforced or even exercised, then their is no penalty! The honest guy really doesn't stand a chance. Why put rules in place if not checked/enforced??? Be Safe
What if the track has something there to trigger it to grip more or could be the water that being put on the track that will trigger it to! Just saying
I think you should ban anyone who sale that junk from the track. No tire dope on any htf racing series! That had in the pits for at the race at Volusia race the ceo of woo saw the there they should have ask them to leave the track period! If they get mad that’s how mad those drivers are at volusia are now! I think that htf series should lock up the tires mark at the track intell racing and hold the ones for time trails till that starts up! Just food for thought. But get rid of the ppl saying the tire drop from the track and till the teams to buy there race tire at the track the event is at!
@@Tennessee_Jon you wouldn't just use wintergreen. There are about 30 different preps atleast and from $100-150 a gallon that all do different things to the tire. Some fire off quickly, some are to make the rubber softer to be used right before going on the track some you use for a couple of days for racing, there are others to be used on the inside. You could send 3,000 on prep and have 30 sets of tires prepared or more ready based on what the track condition looked like and what you thought would be the best for that night. My kid raced go karts on dirt and we only had 1 set of tires and I knew nothing about prep so we used simple green and wd40 it helped but couldn't compete with the guys that cane with 4+ sets of tires and numerous different preps to use for different track conditions.
Good idea on testing but it just needs to stop I mean you get caught make the fine like NASCAR crazy amount like 30 grand and you can't race again until the fine is paid those guys will stop it cause they don't have that kinda cash
Absolutely not we don’t need tire soak in late model racing that’s just to much but if you honestly think that Bobby and devin used something on the tire your crazy..you don’t dope ONE front tire..you would cheat rears and you would do that a lot..this isn’t the 1st time those same guys have had several tires sent off and no problem but one tire come on man
I'm from Pensacola just to let you know I can soak tires and you will never catch it been doing it for years and I can prove it there is a substance that is undetectable if I know what it is other people do and it is not dangerous someone y'all know knows me get them to ask me I'll fill you in I don't race anymore
Why not just let them all soak tires, everybody be on the same page, no more tire testing or paying bullshit penalties, run any tire you want to with any kind of chemicals.
Just to clarify… Tire prepping in asphalt sprint kart racing is not legal. The officials use a durometer to check tire ‘softness’. I think tire prep for dirt oval karts is legal.
A durometer will only catch less than half the preps available. There’s kart preps that the tire will literally stick to your hand but not change the durometer past the test margin
Correct, the rule needs to be eliminated. That's the first step to making the cost go back to what it was when it was when there was competition between tire manufacturers. No rules mean no cheating, that will bring back shop time to make the car faster instead of a thousand dollars in parts every time you wanna go faster.
@@thetruth1446 if they are spending money on tire prep its only because they are trying to keep it under the radar. If its allowed then the price will go down.
If there's no rules there can't be any cheaters. No unfair advantage, let racers race and let car crews make cars faster. Thats what the hobby was based on. Name one bad thing that comes from treating tires besides tires wearing out faster. That won't hurt anyone except the ones who chose to treat their tires. Last thing is please stop turning our hobby into a source of income.
The top tier touring drivers in the National Super Late Model tours make more money than some of the Cup drivers. Crown jewel events in Late Models pay out six figures.
Pretty sure the rule is to make things fair from top money guys all the way down the line. Top money guys will still find ways to have a better car that fits within the rules that are checked. Not every team has the resources to put this much work into tires. Having a tire rule, both in what tires are allowed and what you can/can't do to them limits the competitive advantage you get from having more money and a larger team.
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The only way to stop a rule from being broken is eliminate the rule.
I think Joshua's idea of testing "hard chargers" (maybe those who advance by at least a certain number of positions) get their tires checked.
Test and punish. Big penalties will stop it and make for more competitive racing and keep the pits from being a chemical dumping ground.
The question is what chemicals change the structure of the tire testing? In karting with my son we were a limited budget team tire prep was allowed but we didn't have the knowledge or money to have numerous tires with different prep programs. So what we used was Simple green and wd40 and it did help would either one of those show up on test sample. Reason I am asking if you use something like simple green or another product like it to clean your tires could it show up on the testing.
Hoosier will never allow unregulated tire prep, because if a series allows unregulated tire prep, then the next logical move is to allow other tire manufacturers. Follow the money.
They already allow other tires, they're junk for most tracks.
If "doping" the tires makes them better, maybe Hoosier should just "dope" all of the tires before selling them. Then everyone is equal with better tires. Maybe there needs to be some competition in the tire arena. Seems like Goodyear, Firestone and others can make a damn good racing tire.
Goodyear nor Firestone are interested, of McCreary aka American Racer would step up a little they could give Hoosier competition.
This is really close to the heart of the issue.
The manufacturers pay big money to the series to keep there name on the banner.
And they don't want any kind of competition against the money they invested....
Especially hoosier, they hate tire dope.....
A sprint car class that I used to race had a rule where whatever tires qualified on, had to be on the car during the feature, and those tires on the car purchased before the race even all tires had to be in clear vision of all teams Behind the race car at the trailers
There are inherent dangers from soaking tires. Some of the chemicals used to soften rubber are corosive. I had a friend who soaked tires for years. He fell and broke his arm. He found out that he had bone cancer. Later on his arm developed infection. He lost his arm and later his life. Before passed away from cancer. He found out he got cancer from the chemicals he was using to soak racing tires.
I used to race dirt oval rc cars and you can use tire prep and if you don’t use it your not wining lol it made that big of a difference if you did not prep the tires your will finish in last place
I can back that up the right prep on our rc cars can be a couple tenths a lap and when you’re running 4 second laps that’s a huge difference. Sucks spending the extra money for prep and more frequently having to buy tires but we don’t have a choice
I race R/C clay buggies and trucks if you don’t dope your tires don’t bother putting it on the track.
Great conversation guys lots of good perspectives and ideas. I agree 100% about this happening in the b mains and when guys start in the back.
After you groove and sipe the tires you spray the with whatever softener you choose.Immediately wrap the tire and leave until race day.
Perhaps you could run (doped) tires in the A main only ? Check front runners in heat races first through third? Just a thought.
Don't need chemicals, warm water will soften a hard tire, give it grip in the beginning while keeping longevity.
This will show in tire testing too by the way.
@@4g94boosted4how so? I’m not challenging…just curious what chemicals would show up from only water 🧐
@@nathansoltis7032 they don't test for chemicals they test to see if the properties of the tires have changed from the sample they have on tested that was given to them by the tire manufacture from all articles I have read.
@nathansoltis7032 Well, it's a long prep for the tires, but you're essentially restructuring the molecular makeup of the rubber. The longer soak the "deeper" into the rubber you go, but the outer layer is way too mushy at that point. This is essentially what the tire test is looking for. If the tire is given an ice bath, the opposite effect happens. The breakdown that happens on the track is totally different than either of these, so the test can tell the difference. The chemicals does this rapidly. Also the same reason F1 cars have their tires on warmers before and during the race, and they can take turns at incredible speeds.
Honestly, the only way to truly get rid of Tire Dope is to allow it in certain situations or certain races. For example, 100 lap races allow tire dope, but if the tire blows, the teams have to put on the hardest tire compound. Also, local racing is being hit hard by tire dope. But it's not being found because the track promoters no longer care because Atleast its putting on better racing. We have small, under financed teams running at the front of shows they normally couldn't because they can't afford brand new tires each and ever week.
The bigger issue is if they test top 3 you finish 3rd and your tire pops for being treated the 4th place guy could be treating and get paid for 3rd
This whole thing is essentially "gun control." They are saying ban tire prep instead of just allowing more tire companies into the sport to bring cost down and performance up.
Either issue tires at the track off the Hoosier trailer, or let them be soaked. There will always be cheaters in every level of racing from kids on carts to Formula 1
Wait... wasn't "Mr Dave" taking YOUR late model tires home before races? I just remembered that.
Might be why he disappeared from the team randomly. Found out what he was doing
That was Cameron that did their tires. Mr. Dave was the owner of the kart Joshua raced for a little while
@@leehubbard2591yeah I have wondered the same thing. What happened to Cameron?
Exactly my thought I have always wondered what happened to Cameron and had a good feeling that is what he was doing he had his own trailer and bragged about how well he took care of the tires.
Tbf milbridgre impounds tires and wheels as well as many other series. If it's that big of an issue. The series needs to make it where you get the tires from them at the track have them mounted at the track.
If doping the tires make them better. What about making a better tire? Or you bring your wheels to a “tire trailer” they mount them in front of officials and driver. Obviously have to pay a series fee. They also do all the tire samples. If you choose not to you automatically get sampled.
Have manufacturer tire trucks at the big races and ya gotta buy them on location
Might the tire strengthening of softer compound tires be what is happening? Ie. Track Claw.
They spray tack on nascar tracks what the difference stick-a durometer in a dirt tire tuff to get same readings from batch to batch
I think if you pay for the tire ,then you should be able to soak it, grind it, cut it ,whatever. It is bad enough that the series mandates what tires you have to buy if you want to race
Wouldn't that make it so the guy who spent the most went the fastest elimination of talent
Nooooooo!!!
Simply put… any tire compound change’s and its a dq…
Or have a tire ‘prep’ company do all the tire’s and compound them 🤷♂️..
Lets face it.. A lot more them bragging right’s on the line
You brought it up by using kart racing, each track uses different prep, in fact there are tire gurus. My opinion is the lab needs to show what chemicals that are non conforming
My question is if the stuff makes the tires that much better why is Hoosier not doing it from the factory to improve their product then it would be the baseline.
I know the answer- but who can tell me what soaking the tires actually does and how long it lasts for?
For the amount of tires Pierce and Moran had tested at Volusia during the Dirt Car Nationals- added to how many dozens upon dozens of tire tests that they passed last year- you cannot get me to believe they purposely decided to cheat this time!!
I am far more concerned with drivers running tires that are softer than mandated, and a durometer can easily take care of measuring that.
Also- if some tech guy wants to tell me that "science does not lie", I give you exhibit A- COVID. After over 13 years in the Biomedical/Medical Device industry, and more than that crewing and car owning in dirt racing, I will guarantee you it is easier to "cheat" the science than it is to cheat in racing and not get caught.
Bottom line- get the scientific testing and ridiculous wait times for results out of racing!
WRG in the end will realize they did far more damage to themselves with their ridiculous over-weighted fines and suspensions out of the sport. Take the purse money and points away for the night if you feel they cheated- just like any other rule doesn't pass (weight, droop, etc.), but for goodness' sake don't sabotage your own brand by driving the teams and the fans away with your poor communication and decision making!!
So a Mass Spectrometer is wrong?
@@jamietwigg4845 A mass spec is only as good as the sample that is provided and prepped for it. I have not seen the SOP's, AM's, any other documentation or results from Blue Ridge- apparently, no drivers have either. I know I would not prep the samples the way they do- and neither does ARDL.
@@jsadowski44 They don't have to show you the data so...
Having the team take the sample from 3 different spots on the tire, each one put in a vial and sealed, and placed in a self seal bag and signed by 3 different people before the next sample is taken, and the process repeated.
All 3 samples for those 3 all failed.
Those preps change the chemical compound of the tire, the MS just breaks down the compounds and displays them they use a baseline sent from Hoosier.
@@jamietwigg4845 No data=no proof. WIth no proof- they cannot tell me if the chemical compound from one batch to the next is the same. How old is the baseline they use? don't know? no date= no proof. Who sold the tires to these drivers? Did they come from the vendor already contaminated? Don't know? No data= no proof. Don't get me started on how many variables can be used to falsify lab test results. Don't even tell me whoever delivered the tire samples to the lab- did not let the lab know which ones to add some tire altering agent to give them a false reading. You say that's not happening?? NO DATA=NO PROOF. Is the testing lab on continuous video surveillance? I would bet not- NO DATA-=NO PROOF. If WRG feels that everyone should turn a blind eye- and believe the BS- just like we did with COVID? Then they ARE the problem. (and looky here- Blue Ridge is making money selling COVID test kits......enough said!!!)
@@jamietwigg4845 Apparently my last answer was a little too racy for my Joiner friends- so I will try to be less specific and more polite this time. As I said previously, a mass spec is only as good as the sample that is prepped for it-
However- if the failed samples in question did indeed have chemical compound changes as you suggested, that would indeed change the durometer reading.
You can only get more grip from a tire 2 ways- make it softer- or make it stickier. If you make it stickier, you will see, feel and smell the difference in the tire physically- as the prep must adhere to the top of the rubber- and you will definitely see and/or smell the difference when you bring your groover up and burn/cut the sample off to present to the officials. Tech is not an easy game- there is no reason to make it any harder than it needs to be.
Penalties are for PURPOSE!!! Penalty outweigh benefit!!! If rules aren't enforced or even exercised, then their is no penalty! The honest guy really doesn't stand a chance. Why put rules in place if not checked/enforced??? Be Safe
What if the track has something there to trigger it to grip more or could be the water that being put on the track that will trigger it to! Just saying
I think you should ban anyone who sale that junk from the track. No tire dope on any htf racing series! That had in the pits for at the race at Volusia race the ceo of woo saw the there they should have ask them to leave the track period! If they get mad that’s how mad those drivers are at volusia are now! I think that htf series should lock up the tires mark at the track intell racing and hold the ones for time trails till that starts up! Just food for thought. But get rid of the ppl saying the tire drop from the track and till the teams to buy there race tire at the track the event is at!
Go carts completely different. Some people can’t afford it. Helps keep things more equal. And it’s a lot of extra work.
@@Tennessee_Jon you wouldn't just use wintergreen. There are about 30 different preps atleast and from $100-150 a gallon that all do different things to the tire. Some fire off quickly, some are to make the rubber softer to be used right before going on the track some you use for a couple of days for racing, there are others to be used on the inside. You could send 3,000 on prep and have 30 sets of tires prepared or more ready based on what the track condition looked like and what you thought would be the best for that night.
My kid raced go karts on dirt and we only had 1 set of tires and I knew nothing about prep so we used simple green and wd40 it helped but couldn't compete with the guys that cane with 4+ sets of tires and numerous different preps to use for different track conditions.
they should allow it for bmains only, then back to spec.
hey guys, have yall set up a fantasy leage for your series
Hey are you ever going to come back to West Virginia and race at bakery motor speedway
Yes cause it will clean the tires alot better
Good idea on testing but it just needs to stop I mean you get caught make the fine like NASCAR crazy amount like 30 grand and you can't race again until the fine is paid those guys will stop it cause they don't have that kinda cash
Absolutely not we don’t need tire soak in late model racing that’s just to much but if you honestly think that Bobby and devin used something on the tire your crazy..you don’t dope ONE front tire..you would cheat rears and you would do that a lot..this isn’t the 1st time those same guys have had several tires sent off and no problem but one tire come on man
I'm from Pensacola just to let you know I can soak tires and you will never catch it been doing it for years and I can prove it there is a substance that is undetectable if I know what it is other people do and it is not dangerous someone y'all know knows me get them to ask me I'll fill you in I don't race anymore
Hunt needs to soak all 5 to win one😂
THE TIRE WIZARD STRIKES AGAIN...
Pierce and several more have been penalized heavily for this and I agree
Why not just let them all soak tires, everybody be on the same page, no more tire testing or paying bullshit penalties, run any tire you want to with any kind of chemicals.
everyone of them know not to soak/wash the tires---water only ok, no chemicals
Or top 5 or 10 get tested
Test everyone
Just to clarify… Tire prepping in asphalt sprint kart racing is not legal. The officials use a durometer to check tire ‘softness’. I think tire prep for dirt oval karts is legal.
It's still being done there too I am sure. We ran a conditioner in asphalt oval karting. Dirt karting, it is the gospel according to the juice.
There are preps that add bite and don't soften, don't kid yourself people are using it
A durometer will only catch less than half the preps available. There’s kart preps that the tire will literally stick to your hand but not change the durometer past the test margin
hoosiers ulmt tires wernt garbage would help
Brake fluid
Yes so everyone can stop cheating
This needs to stop, this series should be a series a regular local guy can get into without having to spend 1k on a tire guy just to keep up
Correct, the rule needs to be eliminated. That's the first step to making the cost go back to what it was when it was when there was competition between tire manufacturers. No rules mean no cheating, that will bring back shop time to make the car faster instead of a thousand dollars in parts every time you wanna go faster.
@@sevencorter Do you realize how much teams are spending to "prep" these tires now?
@@thetruth1446 if they are spending money on tire prep its only because they are trying to keep it under the radar. If its allowed then the price will go down.
@@sevencorter Well I prefer it to stay the way it's always been, if it ain't broke dont fix it.
This isnt karting
@@thetruth1446 😂😂😂
If there's no rules there can't be any cheaters. No unfair advantage, let racers race and let car crews make cars faster. Thats what the hobby was based on. Name one bad thing that comes from treating tires besides tires wearing out faster. That won't hurt anyone except the ones who chose to treat their tires. Last thing is please stop turning our hobby into a source of income.
make ivation legal make racing legal see who can build an run the fastest car period
Youre altering the structure of the tire. Lots of liability there
This isn't nascar what happen to grass roots racing?
Money is what happened.
The top tier touring drivers in the National Super Late Model tours make more money than some of the Cup drivers. Crown jewel events in Late Models pay out six figures.
Pretty sure the rule is to make things fair from top money guys all the way down the line. Top money guys will still find ways to have a better car that fits within the rules that are checked. Not every team has the resources to put this much work into tires. Having a tire rule, both in what tires are allowed and what you can/can't do to them limits the competitive advantage you get from having more money and a larger team.
The sport is turning into a soap opera . It’s tiresome.
If it makes you faster y not make it legal so every1 can do it
There's always been cheating, and always will be
It's illegal for a reason
Make open tires and traction control legal.
All that would be at big events is the top 10 super late models. It would make it so small teams like HTF have no chance at being competitive.
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Super racing was better with open tire rules
@@jamesyoung2241 what made it better?
Less drama for sure oh and way more affordable to run too.
WOW IS IT OK TO CHEAT NOW?