Glad you liked it. :) When I originally uploaded this is had to be so compressed because the allowable upload file size back in 2007. There was anything but detail! lol So when the file sizes was increased I re-uploaded it with the full DV Quality and man does it look so much better! :)
I worked on 82-70's back in the day and these Brunswick's always scared the sh*t out of me. Can't abide by a device that's taller than me and can crush me in 38 different ways without blinking.
Oh man, I loved these machines when I was a kid. Worked on them for a couple of years ... then somehow got the broadcasting bug and went into radio and TV. I think my nails are still a little bit dirty from 36 years ago. Either that, or I need to wash my hands more often ...
Indeed, because with the Brunswick A or A2 model, if the rake does not go down the ball cannot get to the ball wheel because of the pit cushion. Maybe you knew that already.
Broke cable for the moving deck when changing thedeck rollerspun now itloads the moving deck but shuts off at second stage before setting what can I do kkp
Actually they are converted models A machines they still have the original model A hockey sticks and rods and the model A triangles going to the rake rod on the top front of the Pinsetter but the added shock mounts to the rear frame really helps prevent breaking hockey sticks. It's like they were converted In house instead of having the factory come in and do the conversion. They didn't convert the detectors to A-2 configuration which is why I say it was an in house modification. I'd convert the detectors to jetback/A-2 configuration to eliminate the 90 degree over travel, also gives the bowlers slightly higher scores.if you look carefully they are converted to Jet Back configuration powered tire to speed up ball return instead of gravity ball returns which the model A has.
Hey, I know your comment is a few months old. The accelerator part is indeed there, but it was never in use. Not sure if it ever was, as I made this video 10 years ago now. It's possible some changes have happened since then! 90 overtravel I am not a fan of either. It has no advantages whatsoever and would just put excessive wear on the deck holding hook. Not sure what changes have happened as the last time I was at that center was 2010. I know all the ball wheels have the BCE now. The machines themselves are still there as I saw a recent news video about the center from just this year. Unsure about anything else besides that though.
Its a ZOT conversion. ZOT started out making replacement parts for Brunswick equipment as things went off patent. From what I have read they are gone now.
Yeah. So unfortunate that it closed. I guess no one wanted to buy it from the owners. Had a ton of fun at this center when I was in PA. Will always remember that.
Based on experiences, I like the shakers more. I've seen pins with the belt get stuck on corners and just roll on it with no movement, several times. That being said, shakers become less effective at moving pins when they get too dirty, so that sometimes makes the pins move slower.
@@Sharkie626 I can agree with that. I have a Lego bowling alley and it has a consistent issue of the pins getting stuck in the gap between the pin deck and the transport band. I feel like it would have worked a lot better if it had gone slightly under the pin deck
I'm not even sure what it would be similar to... Doesn't look like any pinsetter that really exists. I tried to re create the shaker board, but it didn't work well.
no no, there apparently was still some cleaning liquid on the playback head which got in contact with that part of the when I put it back in after the cleaning, that's what caused that color display.
That happened because the camera needed the playback head to be cleaned while I was playing it back on the camera before uploading it. I did that but apparently it wasn't fully dry yet so it dirtied up the tape a little but luckily it did not break it.
ah ha! I knew someone would catch that. Yep it was, what happened was this center had those electronic shotguns for the rakes, at the speed the ball was going it just missed getting through before the rake went down.
Not knowing one pinsetter from another, other than knowing a Brunswick from an AMF, what's the difference between a Brunswick Model A, and an A2? The center that was a block away from our old house had the old AMF machines where you could see the pins being loaded diagonally in the rack.
Wow, cool! This reminds me of a Rube Goldberg contraption! It makes me wonder what sort of machines they use at the ally I go to? From the player's end the ball returns say Brunswick 2000 on them, and the face of the pin setters say A2, but they sound like a clanking garage door spring each time they cycle. Pretty reliable though seeing as how the place was built in 1956. I usually play 10 to 15 games in a row every monday and so far they've only jammed on me twice over the course of a year.
Orion Fhang Hi, I know this post was a long time ago but wanted to tell you that the A-2 is basically the same thing as these machines but I believe the A-2 which can be found at many centers across the U.S had upgraded parts and a newer chassis on the back end of the machine.
Actually, Model A's shouldn't have the rake drop when the ball hits the curtain, so these ones are not pure Model A's since they have the shotgun on them.
+Rodj Indeed, that is one of the modifications done to them. However, these are not triggered by the pit cushion getting hit. There is a sensor, I think where the masking panels are, and when a ball crosses it, it makes a solenoid trip after a short time delay.
There was a modification package out where the A cushion was mounted on hinges and 2 shocks were mounted from the cushion to rear frame. There was an air cylinder somehow attached to the cushion as well. It's been so long I just can't remember all of it. Anyways the cushion simply pivoted up and down as the rake raised and lowered. When the ball would hit the cushion it would send a puff or air to a trigger relay to a solenoid on the shotgun to lower the rake and trigger the machine by a solenoid and rod directly connected to the lower uniball on the clutch trip lever. It gave a similar effect as an A2 as far as getting the ball back faster which really was the key to speeding up play and the machine on 2nd ball still overtraveled to save time setting a new rack. I assume the time delay was still controlled by the dashpot on the 4-1 housing.
haha i never worked on these before but everyone i ask about them all has some kind of injury from working on these, too many pinch points. i like the AMF 30 and 70 series better lol
@hondaccool Nice man! But yeah, all it takes is common sense and knowledge of what you're doing. If you notice, I didn't dare put my hands near any part of the machines.
I bowl at centereach lains a family member ownes the prow shop their and i can do pritty mutch what ever i want i want to go in the back of the lain and see those AMF pinsetters I think you know ware the centereach lains are that center is compleat address 40 horseblock road centereach ny let me know if you do anything over their.
TUBEORATER When lane 1 stopped did you notice it sort of coasted to a stop? That typically is an indication the drive belt from the motor popped off, shut off main breaker grab drive belt lift motor ( the weight of the motor provides the tension for the gearbox belt) place back over gearbox pulley and slowly release weight of motor back onto belt then hands and feet in the clear turn Pinsetter back on. They look complicated and dangerous but rule one is think first the clear the stop. Really they are several very simple mechanical subsystems that make up the entire machine and once your taught them it's real easy to clear a stop or repair them. A local bowling alley went out of business and a local purchased 2 complete lanes and machines model A's upgraded to Jetback configuration and while having breakfast I heard him telling the waitress his last operational Pinsetter stopped working. He's a lawyer and a good one but mechanically challenged if the car don't start. I offered to take a look at them for him and found two filthy machines untouched since installed 20 some years ago. Did a 51-20 first then made up a parts list as he didn't have any spare parts complete rebuild both pit shakers including shaker shafts on both and new pit boards with zip out carpet. I spent over $900 total on parts but when I was finished from the foul line he asked if they were running? I simply pressed the reset button. He told me they weren't that quiet since they were installed. Changed out the motor pulleys from Jetback to model A creepy speed and the machines seem to love it. He reports very few problems since I brought them back. His wife now has a dozen friends over once a week for bowling and he bowls a couple of hours every day to stay in shape.
TUBEORATER Just got a call from the lawyer four days ago and when I stopped by both machines were down to 23 pins total for both machines. Ordered up five cases of Twister pins for him as he had seen them at a center he bowled at in Chicago. Drove down to a bowling supply house to pick them up on the clock and replaced the pins that were left, had to make a few minor adjustments and he asked if I could swing bye twice a month to keep the machines in good tune. I also asked him if he'd like to have automatic scoring and he said he checked into it a few years ago but they wanted $35 K for the pair of lanes. I told him I spoke with the owner of the supply house and he would install a pair of Brunswick AS-80 automatic scorers complete for $8 K. He asked how come so cheap? Simple, there are used but in very good condition and he has a ton of them and needs the space in his warehouse. They were installed back in January, he and his wife love them. His wife asked me to come over every Wednesday which is when she has the girls over as it's easier for her to have a mechanic there for basically a no ball return as going back there to return a ball makes her nervous.
omg it have the 90 over drive on that 1 u ned to take that shit out the 90 over that the a2 why u have the 90 over drive on them and you need to change the carpet cover to new 1 wow that hocky stick is hight
Ijust love watching these machines
Thanks for watching! It's amazing how long ago I recorded this.
I haven't seen over-travel in years. I just remember it is a pain to work on when that link goes bad or the spring breaks
Excellent video. Got to see these when I was a kid, but been a long time. Great footage and detail :)
Glad you liked it. :) When I originally uploaded this is had to be so compressed because the allowable upload file size back in 2007. There was anything but detail! lol So when the file sizes was increased I re-uploaded it with the full DV Quality and man does it look so much better! :)
I worked on 82-70's back in the day and these Brunswick's always scared the sh*t out of me. Can't abide by a device that's taller than me and can crush me in 38 different ways without blinking.
Haha, glad to have seen it. I work on 82-70's, and alot of times, the ball will return, without even cycling!
@HGJYBRANDON A rake shotgun is a device that causes the rake to drop down before the machine starts the actual cycle.
Oh man, I loved these machines when I was a kid. Worked on them for a couple of years ... then somehow got the broadcasting bug and went into radio and TV. I think my nails are still a little bit dirty from 36 years ago. Either that, or I need to wash my hands more often ...
Indeed, because with the Brunswick A or A2 model, if the rake does not go down the ball cannot get to the ball wheel because of the pit cushion. Maybe you knew that already.
i'm 16. I work in a bowling center with a2 machines. They are very dangerous but if you work carefuly its no dangers.
Broke cable for the moving deck when changing thedeck rollerspun now itloads the moving deck but shuts off at second stage before setting what can I do kkp
Actually they are converted models A machines they still have the original model A hockey sticks and rods and the model A triangles going to the rake rod on the top front of the Pinsetter but the added shock mounts to the rear frame really helps prevent breaking hockey sticks. It's like they were converted In house instead of having the factory come in and do the conversion. They didn't convert the detectors to A-2 configuration which is why I say it was an in house modification. I'd convert the detectors to jetback/A-2 configuration to eliminate the 90 degree over travel, also gives the bowlers slightly higher scores.if you look carefully they are converted to Jet Back configuration powered tire to speed up ball return instead of gravity ball returns which the model A has.
Hey, I know your comment is a few months old.
The accelerator part is indeed there, but it was never in use. Not sure if it ever was, as I made this video 10 years ago now. It's possible some changes have happened since then! 90 overtravel I am not a fan of either. It has no advantages whatsoever and would just put excessive wear on the deck holding hook. Not sure what changes have happened as the last time I was at that center was 2010. I know all the ball wheels have the BCE now.
The machines themselves are still there as I saw a recent news video about the center from just this year. Unsure about anything else besides that though.
Its a ZOT conversion. ZOT started out making replacement parts for Brunswick equipment as things went off patent. From what I have read they are gone now.
RIP to this bowling alley :(
Yeah. So unfortunate that it closed. I guess no one wanted to buy it from the owners. Had a ton of fun at this center when I was in PA. Will always remember that.
I have always wondered how efficient the shaker board is compared to a regular transport band. Would like to see the two side by side someday
Based on experiences, I like the shakers more. I've seen pins with the belt get stuck on corners and just roll on it with no movement, several times. That being said, shakers become less effective at moving pins when they get too dirty, so that sometimes makes the pins move slower.
@@Sharkie626 I can agree with that. I have a Lego bowling alley and it has a consistent issue of the pins getting stuck in the gap between the pin deck and the transport band. I feel like it would have worked a lot better if it had gone slightly under the pin deck
@@TBHD724 Lego bowling alley? That sounds cool!
I'm not even sure what it would be similar to... Doesn't look like any pinsetter that really exists. I tried to re create the shaker board, but it didn't work well.
no no, there apparently was still some cleaning liquid on the playback head which got in contact with that part of the when I put it back in after the cleaning, that's what caused that color display.
@aello465 Yeah, I had noticed that too, why it was built like that though, I have no idea.
That happened because the camera needed the playback head to be cleaned while I was playing it back on the camera before uploading it. I did that but apparently it wasn't fully dry yet so it dirtied up the tape a little but luckily it did not break it.
ah ha! I knew someone would catch that. Yep it was, what happened was this center had those electronic shotguns for the rakes, at the speed the ball was going it just missed getting through before the rake went down.
Not knowing one pinsetter from another, other than knowing a Brunswick from an AMF, what's the difference between a Brunswick Model A, and an A2? The center that was a block away from our old house had the old AMF machines where you could see the pins being loaded diagonally in the rack.
are those Zot conversion kits.
I do believe so. I think one of the owners had told me that.
Yes I think you are right. As I said above it's been so long but I know I've seen them in action@@Sharkie626
That the space between the curtain and cushion?
@HGJYBRANDON, Yep, exactly.
At 7:20, on lane 5, is that a ball that hit the rake, being pushed back down the lane?
Wow, cool! This reminds me of a Rube Goldberg contraption! It makes me wonder what sort of machines they use at the ally I go to? From the player's end the ball returns say Brunswick 2000 on them, and the face of the pin setters say A2, but they sound like a clanking garage door spring each time they cycle. Pretty reliable though seeing as how the place was built in 1956. I usually play 10 to 15 games in a row every monday and so far they've only jammed on me twice over the course of a year.
Orion Fhang Hi, I know this post was a long time ago but wanted to tell you that the A-2 is basically the same thing as these machines but I believe the A-2 which can be found at many centers across the U.S had upgraded parts and a newer chassis on the back end of the machine.
So, this is the REAL Sharkie626 debut, just in a different form
Yeah, pretty much!
@cwhite32avc I'm curious, what was wrong with it?
@Sharkie626 Just a bit off.. Probably what caused the 90 stop.
Anyone out there know this type of Machinery??
Actually, Model A's shouldn't have the rake drop when the ball hits the curtain, so these ones are not pure Model A's since they have the shotgun on them.
+Rodj Indeed, that is one of the modifications done to them. However, these are not triggered by the pit cushion getting hit. There is a sensor, I think where the masking panels are, and when a ball crosses it, it makes a solenoid trip after a short time delay.
+Sharkie626 Can you get some bowler's view shots of these???
+Rodj Afraid not. This video was recorded in January of 2007 in PA. I have not been back to this area of PA since 2010.
There was a modification package out where the A cushion was mounted on hinges and 2 shocks were mounted from the cushion to rear frame. There was an air cylinder somehow attached to the cushion as well. It's been so long I just can't remember all of it. Anyways the cushion simply pivoted up and down as the rake raised and lowered. When the ball would hit the cushion it would send a puff or air to a trigger relay to a solenoid on the shotgun to lower the rake and trigger the machine by a solenoid and rod directly connected to the lower uniball on the clutch trip lever. It gave a similar effect as an A2 as far as getting the ball back faster which really was the key to speeding up play and the machine on 2nd ball still overtraveled to save time setting a new rack. I assume the time delay was still controlled by the dashpot on the 4-1 housing.
@@robertmiller9207 My home center does have this (made by ZOT), but only the cushion part, it doesn’t have the air triggering or shotgun.
Wow those masking units are really far in front of your machines. At my place, theyre within a couple feet of the light ballasts.
Cool vid! Anyone else notice the horrible gearbox adjustment on one?? Or was that just me? Haha.
@KMBCGeno heh, some big changes there!
@shelllanes Not my machines ;)
haha i never worked on these before but everyone i ask about them all has some kind of injury from working on these, too many pinch points. i like the AMF 30 and 70 series better lol
@longfrancesco While it is less i'm sure, i've seen deadwood even with the shotguns! Sometimes I just think it is unavoidable. lol
wow what a mess brunswick machines are
@hondaccool Nice man! But yeah, all it takes is common sense and knowledge of what you're doing. If you notice, I didn't dare put my hands near any part of the machines.
Those are A-2's not "A". But it is a really good video!
Nope, It only says A-2 on the deck shield. The structure and function of these are A.
Ok. A little bit strange, but when I'm looking close I can see that too. Thanks for your answer!
Ball tracks kickbacks and hockey stick cushion mounts are a dead giveaway🙂
@@94fordf350 Theses are A machines with Zot conversion kit
I bowl at centereach lains a family member ownes the prow shop their and i can do pritty mutch what ever i want i want to go in the back of the lain and see those AMF pinsetters
I think you know ware the centereach lains are that center is
compleat address 40 horseblock road centereach ny
let me know if you do anything over their.
@TUBEORATER Well they aren't my machines man, I'm not allowed to do anything with them. ;)
Lane 1 stops at 90 and you run away LOL!
TUBEORATER
When lane 1 stopped did you notice it sort of coasted to a stop? That typically is an indication the drive belt from the motor popped off, shut off main breaker grab drive belt lift motor ( the weight of the motor provides the tension for the gearbox belt) place back over gearbox pulley and slowly release weight of motor back onto belt then hands and feet in the clear turn Pinsetter back on. They look complicated and dangerous but rule one is think first the clear the stop. Really they are several very simple mechanical subsystems that make up the entire machine and once your taught them it's real easy to clear a stop or repair them.
A local bowling alley went out of business and a local purchased 2 complete lanes and machines model A's upgraded to Jetback configuration and while having breakfast I heard him telling the waitress his last operational Pinsetter stopped working. He's a lawyer and a good one but mechanically challenged if the car don't start. I offered to take a look at them for him and found two filthy machines untouched since installed 20 some years ago. Did a 51-20 first then made up a parts list as he didn't have any spare parts complete rebuild both pit shakers including shaker shafts on both and new pit boards with zip out carpet. I spent over $900 total on parts but when I was finished from the foul line he asked if they were running? I simply pressed the reset button. He told me they weren't that quiet since they were installed. Changed out the motor pulleys from Jetback to model A creepy speed and the machines seem to love it. He reports very few problems since I brought them back. His wife now has a dozen friends over once a week for bowling and he bowls a couple of hours every day to stay in shape.
TUBEORATER
Just got a call from the lawyer four days ago and when I stopped by both machines were down to 23 pins total for both machines. Ordered up five cases of Twister pins for him as he had seen them at a center he bowled at in Chicago. Drove down to a bowling supply house to pick them up on the clock and replaced the pins that were left, had to make a few minor adjustments and he asked if I could swing bye twice a month to keep the machines in good tune. I also asked him if he'd like to have automatic scoring and he said he checked into it a few years ago but they wanted $35 K for the pair of lanes. I told him I spoke with the owner of the supply house and he would install a pair of Brunswick AS-80 automatic scorers complete for $8 K. He asked how come so cheap? Simple, there are used but in very good condition and he has a ton of them and needs the space in his warehouse. They were installed back in January, he and his wife love them. His wife asked me to come over every Wednesday which is when she has the girls over as it's easier for her to have a mechanic there for basically a no ball return as going back there to return a ball makes her nervous.
@giantsean Just gotta be careful and have common sense and you should be fine ;)
omg it have the 90 over drive on that 1 u ned to take that shit out the 90 over that the a2 why u have the 90 over drive on them and you need to change the carpet cover to new 1 wow that hocky stick is hight