Kreia's Conundrums - Direct Control
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- The implications of Mira's story of when she saved Hanharr's life, indirect force manipulation, and words being echoed in life.
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Alrighty then. The comments on whether or not I should watch the video are about as divided as I expected. Rest assure that I will watch the video eventually. The plan is for me to watch it once I run out of ideas for Kreia's Conundrums videos. Sure, it might change my mind on some things or I might disagree on something and make a video on my own opinion, or just give me an idea for a video. Either way, I figure it'd be a win-win situation for everyone.
Edit: Oh and yes, I read every single comment. I'm aware that they can influence me as well. I'm just conducting a little experiment.
"Such comments, Much echoes."
No matter what, thank you for showcasing Kreia's teachings.
No matter how much we try, we are all manipulated, and in our own ways we manipulate everyone around us; you might as well ask someone to stop breathing. Even living as a hermit doesn't make you free from manipulation, because that manipulation compelled you to seek isolation from it.
The KEY, and I think this is what Kreia is trying to teach in part, is that since you can't escape manipulation, you must be ever-mindful of it; see it for what it is, and gain mastery such that whether it's done to you or by you, the manipulations cause the greatest possible result for you.
Nah you are wrong the cold war gave us peace now it is gone and america is free to wage imperialistic wars !
You can search conflict with your competitors to surpass them !
Man, The Force is sounding like a bigger and bigger villain.
That's the only way the story can progress beyond endless conflict between jedi and sith. Even the last Jedi touched upon this.
@@dend1 Aww that's cute
@@dend1 when the hell did the Last Jedi touch on that?
@@dend1 if by "touch" you mean mention it in literally one line, never expounded upon again, you are correct.
we need to find a way to destroy it, or find a middle ground. sinthesis or chaos! long live the true traya!
You should definitely watch that video in Kreia’s philosophy. After all, Kreia did say “to believe in an ideal is to be willing to betray it”
I think what the Force really is simply a metaphor that represents the will of the writers. The Star wars galaxy and universe, all the planets it contains, all it's characters, races and factions have their fates decided on the stroke of a pen. That's what the Force truly is. Why does it will that wars must happen? That certain people must die? That entire civilizations must be annihilated? Is it because it will achieve some sort of cosmic balance? No, it's because it will make a good and compelling story, and that's why Kreia is such a beautiful character. She wants people to shake off the control the Force has over their lives and conquer independence from it. Now, of course that's impossible...it's like a drawing trying to fight it's own drawer, but that's what makes it a good story. In the end, that's all that it is and even Kreia herself is just a puppet. She was Obsidian's way of showing how the old black and white storytelling of the movies and even the first KOTOR was too shallow and predictable. But at least it's a message a lot of fans listened to. Too bad Hollywood didn't...
This is a hilariously cool idea.
What a fantastic series! You've got my subscription, friend
Whoa, thumbnail spooked me.
I love the 'philosophy of Kreia' video, and it's fascinating watching your videos while knowing you haven't seen that.
I discovered Kreia's Conundrums a few days ago and I love all of them. Been waiting for a next one and you put it out on my birthday, thank you sir!
*new youtube video*
Me: I slep.
*new Kreia's Conundrums video*
Me: R E A L S H I T ?
How disturbingly/ deliciously sinister! The notion that the FORCE sent Hanharr into his own personal hell that is life debt in order to keep him alive for it's own devices, all the while utterly subjugating Mira through manipulation in her belief that she was being merciful!! I can't imagine a bigger villain that the Force which touches all things and has been hiding in plain sight this entire time!
Another excellently thought provoking video! I always thought that part with Mira was just hinting at her being Force sensitive, but this adds a whole new layer to that, and supports Kreia's point that the Force is always actively manipulating life in the galaxy. You definitely need more views on these!
The Force = Emotions. Light and Dark are similar to the hemispheres of the brain, orderly and chaotic, left and right. As the original alien sith were left-handed, thus right-brained, thus more chaotic and more feeling driven, they gravitated towards the Dark Side. The ultimate goal of the force is not really balance, but a synthesis you touched upon, hence why the ultimate being of Star Wars IS Revan, as he mastered both Light and Dark. The Exile may be a stronger synthesis however, due to her being natural, a hole in the Force, per se. The ultimate kind of synthesis would be a Star Wars universe where all beings act out based on who they are naturally (i.e. the exile), regardless of Jedi or Sith moral codes. These actions would still be light and dark, but ultimately would tip the person to neither extreme, allowing them to be completely self-serving, a master of themself, unbound by either side and manipulating the Force to their own needs rather than being manipulated by it.
Ok this is my first response on this channel , but bare with me. When you talk about the hemispheres of the brain I think you misunderstand that neither side is about order or chaos. The left side of the brain deals with analytical processing while the right is involved in creative insight. The original Sith could have been left handed, but they were actively used both portions of the brain: logic, to understand the exiled Jedi and learn from them, and creativity, to go beyond what they knew and branch out culminating into Sith alchemy.
If the force seeks a synthesis why does seem to have a penchant to create life forms to destroy the Sith or dark side users (ergo Anakin, Rey, and Luke). All of these examples have a insidious similarity they came from basic origins, had little training, but out performed their peers that had more the five times their experience.
Anakin master the fifth form of lightsaber combat something that takes at least a decade to do, he did in 3. Rey is able to literally download force abilities and powers from Kylo Ren, utterly reject the dark side, and lift dozens of heavy rocks with only a three day training session. Luke according to Vader was the most impressive Jedi he ever fought. Mind you Vader has killed Jedi both master and knights alike. Also Luke was able to instanta learn form 5 by just getting fight Vader, and later develop it to match Vader. All of these examples show that the Force will take random people, give the power they never earned nor worked for and accomplish its goal. If the force really wanted a synthesis why create this entities in the first place. Why did the force not allow a synthesis before the Great Schism, the Hyperspace War, in KOTOR or SWTOR? Because the Dark side , while being natural, is a destructive force. It corrupts and plagues if not corrected. To balance the dark side is to balance entropy with creation it never works.
In regards to the Exile, she is what the force hates almost as much as dark side users. Dark side user will use the force as a weapon, a beast that has to be broken into submission. And what do you think when living entity is tired of sentient beings controlling it? They create powerful force users to eliminate them. Notice how Galen Marek had the potential to stop the rampant spread of destruction. If he actually killed Vader several thousands of people could have been saved. But, the people he only meet a handful of times means so much more. Please the dark side wants you to sacrifice the best good for you and others by being selfish, and that's why he died. (Sorry for the mini rant, unto the topic at hand).
Now force wounds allow the force to pass around, but never through. This means they are a wild card and thus can't be influenced or control. The Force is a sentient being that doesn't like unknown variables ,and will attempt to manipulate their demise if they prove to be threat. It's funny Kreia flat out says she hates the force because it would seem to have a will. She foolishly though that being cut off from the force will prevent the Force from retaliating and ending her schemes. Notice how all force wounds "died". Nihilus happens to fight the only other force wounds that can match him in the entire galaxy (losing his power). Sion was told to allow himself to die (losing his passion). And Kreia was killed by sentiment and her naive belief that Force couldn't snuff her out (her chains are still there). The Exile could have killed Vitate (he actually was afraid because he even thought he would have died there and then) if she focused on the mission forget Revan. But, just like Galen Marek she choose sentiment. But in both instances what happened? More death and tragedy commenced because the Force desired not peace , but a perpetual state to destruction. People believe the Force wants balance, but that is not correct. What it wants, no one knows. The Force can easily create a force storm to kill Sidious and Vader on their ship. Or kill all Force users, but it doesn't. The Jedi were of the belief that Anakin would bring balance to the Force, but does the Force need to. A convenient storm could have killed the exiled Jedi before they met the Sith race. Or it could cause the thought bomb to kill Darth Bane in the blast ending the rein of the Sith. Or collapse the cave that Plaguies and Tenebrous was in destroying the Banite line once for all. It can't be that the Force is not strong enough, it did create living beings out of nothing.
Final point I promise :).
There can be no synthesis of the aspects of the Force because one requires you to be a servant of the Force and the other a slave to the Dark side. Mind you the Force can use Dark siders for its own purposes ,but they tend to die off very conveniently, due to plot induced stupidity. For Revan the misunderstanding is the fact that people such as Kreia believe he choose the Dark side to protect the Republic. No he was mind controlled to do so and in fact did more harm than good for the Republic. He weaken them, and left to face the Sith and fail to do so. What he did was not a conscience choice, but forced upon him. People that attempt to synthesize the Force run into a paradox. Either you have to be completely zen and selfless. Or abusive to the Force. The middle ground is just people doing nothing a calling themselves objective. They contribute nothing to the galaxy, but consume more than they produce. And you know what the Force is okay with that. As long as you are indifferent to the Force or serve it your fine. The problem with this is sentient beings are selfish, hypocritical as well as merciful and truthfully. The Force seem to take great delight in destruction and the underdog to save the day. Oh my... the Force is doing this for amusement and all people in Star Wars are actors that don't really have a choice. Force wounds can be killed off indirectly, dark siders are evil to everyone so they are always the villains, and the those that serve the Force get to be the heroes until they fall and cycle continues.
Humble x Warrior, the problem with your line of tought is that you are underestimating the inteligence of the force and how big picture it can see. Lets imagine that the force wants that people get to the synthesis so that they can *think* for themselves. It will then create and empower beings of intense "Light" and "Dark" then influence the galaxy between these two to create the great conflict that will make them throw down their arms and go about their Synthesis. Being *neutral* doesnt mean that you are the synthesis. It just means that you refuse to play the game, thus becoming an threat.
Whenever these beings of intense light or darkness *fail* or threatening the destruction of everything, then the force creates and empowers beings of intense power and neutrality to destroy the whole system, brings everything to balance and then starts all over again so that they can eventualy find a synthesis and live a little bit close as the Yuuzhan Vong lives. As not existing through the force. And bear in mind, that the Vong was clashed with infinite war and trauma to become what they are.
All that being said, the great schism was the failure of the Jee'dai to get into the synthesis. And remember the *real* explaining of where the Jedi came from. The Force abducted a *lot* of sentient beings from all over the galaxy and then took them to an special world and forced them to learn about the force.
The Rakata were powerful beings. Way more powerful than any jedi or sith that ever lived. But they were consumed and cut off the force (probably by the force itself) because they became too evil, too adicted to the dark side, thus useless to bring any form of synthesis. That and they became too powerful to be a chalenge to any other species or goverment to be tested by their *evil*. So, the force resorted to less powerful indivituals AND not whole species. But you can also see that the force guided dark side users to the Rakatan artifacts all the time to empower them and then clashing them with the Jedi and the Republic.
So these wipes begins and ends when people fail to learn their lesson. And the cycle goes all over again. It would explain why the true sith became so moronic and useless. Had they won, it would meant the destruction of the whole galaxy. (The rakata came close to that too, and then were wiped.)
That's my view of this point anyway.
Sorry, that was a bit TL;DR for me and I only read the first point you made where you said I was incorrect about brain hemisphere orientation. If you looked into neuroscience, you'd understand that the right side of the brain, doesn't actually use words to communicate at all (it is completely visually based, using clusters of information) and people who are more right hemisphere dominant usually have ADHD, that is chaos. That is because the right side is making the left subservient to it, it is ungoverned by sequential order in itself, where in the default is to have the left hemisphere dominant. I'm left-handed and have dabbled in a lot of neuroscience, please don't tell me I'm wrong when I'm absolutely correct, I hate correcting people, it's demeaning to both of us. And YES the original Sith *were* left handed, it's in the lore, again, if it wasn't clear already - you need to back up your assertions with facts before telling other people they are wrong; it is extremely irritating for me to write this.
True cosmic terror isn't of an uncaring and indifferent universe, it is the universe itself taking a very interesting look into your life and free will.
Right? We take for granted that the universe as a plane of existance is a blank slate for us to impose our will upon. How frightening it would be if it were the other way around, given how utterly dependent we are on forces beyond our control remaining locked in their current pattern.
dend1 Imagine if one day reality itself takes steps to erase you from existence for unknowable reasons and there isn't a damn thing to be done. Now imagine if something unknowable develops feelings for you and makes your life a surreal hell because it doesn't understand human love. Apathy being death never sounded so preferable.
New subscribers, just binged your Kriea Series last night. Thanks for the upload from a life long KOTOR 2 fan.
The philosophy video is worth checking out, but definitely on your time. I look at it this way: I have my own interpretations and views on Kreia's philosophies, and watching both your series and the philosophy video has allowed me another angle with which to consider viewing them. It is good to hold your ground so long as you maintain an open mind.
Thank you so much for all you do! All of your content is fantastic especially with Kreia. Keep it up!
You've seriously made me love this game even more (Which i didnt think was possible) To use the philosophy of the game and applying it to real life is fantastic, Please keep up the good work.
(Ps you are so very hiegelian In your perspective, Or perhaps its the game itself, reguardless its very interesting)
On a side note you have the perfect type of mind and communication skills to explain these videos and how this character thinks and what they are teaching I’m very much in love with these videos good shit 🙏🏾 been watching since 11 pm it’s like 5 am now 😂
Thanks, man. I don't know about the perfect mind, but I must be doing something right. But get some sleep. The videos will still be here when you wake up.
I believe the force feeds off life. Those who are strong in the force are tastier than non-force sensitive. The force manipulates both the sith and the Jedi so war can continue so more force sensitives can die but also more force sensitives can grow stronger and once the galaxy is on the brink of no more Jedi and no more sith the force will do what it must to make more
Honestly I think Keria's main premise is wrong; the Force doesn't have goals or motivations, and it's "will" is more akin to the "universal subconscious" where it's the reflection of the hopes, dreams, and fears of every living being in the galaxy, but it doesn't attempt to manipulate events one way of the other. (Destiny is simply the ripples of future events echoing down the timestream.)
Under this idea what Mirra heard through the Force filter is the wookie's pleas to be "saved from slavery"; and it was her own bias and misunderstanding that led her to believe he was pleading for his life.
Now this is rely starting to make the force have a Lovecraftian interpretation. That much is known that the Force is verry much related to souls, a place in the galaxy that has not been touched by life will be a void of the force, but a place teaming with life, or a world that has been scarred by war will be strongly in tune with the force in one form or another. Now what if indeed the Force has a Will, and it has "willed" wars to happen, to "feed" it more souls... that's a creepy notion, but then how can one explain the light side which.... tends to avoid conflict, death and destruction ? Or is the Dark Side that is born to "balance out" the Light Side that leads to War and Death ?
there are no sides. Just the force pumping different type of "drugs" in its test subjects (force sensitives).
I love these videos ngl :) I notice lots of of Deus Ex music and clips from the original every now and then. That game is a goldmine for a similar sort of videos and I would love you to cover it. Keep up the great content :)
Now I know why Disney or Lucasfilm will never make an analytical Star Wars product. An equilibrium or synthesis would definitively "end" the Star Wars story and Completely shatter it's existing narrative. Which is why TLJ couldn't delve deep into the KOTOR II philosophy as the "Good vs Evil" trope overtook the "Force doesn't belong to anyone" concept. Gray Jedi cannot truly exist without breaking the fabric of Star Wars. Anyone who tries will end up picking a side whether they know it or not. Anakin Skywalker merely brought balance to a perversion of the Force created by Darth Sidious and Darth Plagueis but didn't end the force's eternal good vs Evil conflicts. The New Republic tried to fix the mistakes of the past but never realized that the elements they tried to fix were still being propogated beyond the Outer Rim leading to their inevitable destruction. And the conflict between the good underdogs and the authoritarian Regime starts again until balance is "Restored" only for it to become unbalanced within 30 years or a thousand years. Star Wars can never end and transform into the "real world" the Force is the writers and producers of each short story, video game, Wookieepedia article, and movie they have to offer. The Star Wars franchise is the Force (In a figurative sense). Since mankind can't seem to find a synthesis of it's own we can't write it into Star Wars. We may have perceptions or "Certain points of view" but there is Truth and the lack or denial of Truth. We may not know what that Truth is. Which is why we need and rely on our perceptions to figure out just what and where we are and how to live this seemingly impossible miracle known as life.
Papito Qinn, I may tell you one thing for sure -- you words are echoed and will be echoed. When I think about something in my life, I constantly (and "accidently") come across videos/songs/books/people who reinforce and refine my view and alignment towards certain things, even though I didn't put an effort to search for it. Sometimes it may even be something I heard many time before, but with the new meaning, new perspective.
And I can also bet, that from time to time I am such person for others, I can even feel it now.
i really love your video's! please keep making them. I live for this ish
I shall always say that any trying to see will or purpose in the Force are projecting their own thoughts and opinions upon it out of habit, not seeing it for what it is (even Kreia).
The Force in all aspects comes across more as a pendulum, not something that automatically pushes for an objective, but naturally leans towards a balance in the center that can only be upset (and used) by outside forces, which forever prevent it from perfectly balancing again.
I just found your channel and I absolutely love this series, keep them coming!
Thank you for the videos, I’m always looking forward to them.
I find it fascinating you haven't seen that video, as unintentionally, there are definitely some similarities between the points it brings up and your own, particularly on the Force's affect on war in general. That said, I definitely respect and understand the decision. It's important your thoughts are your own, and more so when they're shared in this way.
An interesting topic this time around. I don't know if a synthesis is possible in a universe like Star Wars with an external force that seems to drive conflict for the sake of it, but the parallels to real life are interesting to explore.
Fantastic video. Loved the score, it gave me chills.
Echoes....never mind the fact that the Exile sent echoes through the Force with the destruction of Malachor V. There is the theory I have that there is a unity of voice which I think is created through the bonds of the Exile. There are two ways of viewing the world though, one is through just yourself and limiting yourself and never realizing that the universe is much larger than just you. Then there is another viewpoint that we are all interconnected and all our voices are united and connected as a much larger group and community. I think this is also something that can be found in KOTOR II. There is the fact that after Malachor V, the Exile disconnects herself from the galaxy and the universe in general. Her world becomes small and with good reason the voices of thousands of people dying shattered her universe and galaxy. Yet she is forced to open up on Peragas with Kreia and then slowly has to open herself up to the Echoes and voices of the galaxy in general. In the end we are reminded what the Disciple or Visas says to the Exile: Take strength from your connections to others. Do not forsake them, as you did in exile
ur logic is the most on point with kreia then anyone else iv seen
Beautifull video! Thank you !
Anything analytical makes my head hurt. This hurt my head ALOT. It did it's job. Great Video! :)
I can appreciate that you are trying to stay true to yourself by not watching other videos. There in a fundamental problem with this IMO. To do this is to limit your possibilities. You are limiting thoughts and insights you may never have because of this. To me that is devastating. I would be more concerned with contemplating whether or not I agreed with what they said (and then why or why not). IMO that allows not only for you to have access to a wider realm of possibilities (thoughts, insights, conclusions) but also allows you to go through a process of understanding and coming to know yourself. Anyways those are just my thoughts.
I rarely write comments on youtube, but you caught my curiosity here (and first of all, allow me to admit that I watched through all of your Kreia's Conundrums and I totally like it, keep doing the good work, please).
What I found extremely curious is the contrast between the Force exercising its will on the sentient beings of the Galaxy and the influence of the Exile which does not allow the force to directly influence her allies through her leadership and Force bonds. So she is using the tool made of Force to defeat the influence of Force. I find this is quite an important point in the relationship between Kreia and the Exile. Not only the Exile has willingly cut herself from the Force, but she is also able to shape Force against Force itself. Such thing would surely impress Kreia - she seeks to destroy the influence of Force, but until then - use Force as a tool and not bend to its will. The Exile seems to have achieved more than Kreia in this matter - for her it is indeed just a tool and not a master like for other Jedi or Sith.
There is also an interesting comparison of Force to Solaris (if you read this book by Stanislav Lem) - a sentient but unintelligible being who experiments on us just as we experiment on it.
I definitely need to think more about it.
Haven't read the book, but then again, there's that good yet trippy movie.
@@michaelandreipalon359 There are two films (the Soviet from 1972 and the American from 2002). Both are good in their own sense, but the author hated both of them :)
The former because the director added too much "Crime and Punishment" into the plot, the latter because the director switched the focus from the contact of mankind with an uncomprehensible cosmic being to problems of love and sexuality.
I prefer the former for its esotericness.
Alright. I finally have something you can expand upon. I’m at 10:57 in this video. Has it ever occurred to you or anyone else who’s played this game that the handmaiden and vissas are nothing but like the young woman version of both polarities of Kriea. I know some conspiracy theories say the handmaiden is kriea’s daughter and anyone can tell how much vissas resembles Kriea from being blind to her hooded mask to even basically being raised by one of kriea’s apprentices that’s something really interesting about this game that the developers never expanded on and I haven’t seen a video where someone talks about that or dives into that yet
You need to watch that vid... That video changed my life
Ah.... I see why you wont... Very interesting
Ceaser from new vegas had a lot of points you know... He was far too extreme but then again you need to look at the surroundings. Interesting you found a way to use him
I've always thought of the Force as a disembodied entity that engulfs the galaxy Star Wars takes place in, and filters natural magic and universal energies into something it can manipulate.
Why is beyond me, but I have my theories.
One possibility is that the cycle of the galaxy revolving between peaceful prosperity and brutal warfare is just a way for it to collect more potent energies that it uses as sustenance.
Another theory could be that the Force isn't a living entity, but an artificial one managed and adjusted by a civilization beyond the galaxy's reach, and the reason for the Force's existence could range from a billion-year experiment to a quarantine/neutralization of something the galaxy has.
I say this because I don't think it's realistic for the Force to be the only paranormal thing in the Star Wars galaxy unless something's suppressing other options.
Just on this planet we have hundreds of interpretations of Dragons, let alone the thousands of ideas on how the soul works and all the religions that rose and fell throughout the ages.
And even if the Force is the only higher power, there should be WAY more factions than Jedi, Sith, and the in-betweeners; all with their own interpretations and even names for the Force.
Balance was the first thing that came to my mind...balance is Ma’at truth, justice...truth is seeing all as one good and evil...the force is balanced everything else need to get in tuned and balance...what my spirit gave me as u spoke
Him begging for death could maybe be him begging for his life in a way. To be back in control of his life. To not be a "slave."
There is a flaw with your logic here: Mira has trouble understanding wookie in the first place, her hearing was impaired at that time (remember, the mines?), and Hanharr obviously was a bit fucked up and mangled at that point. Force does not need to be considered to explain why Mira came to her conclusion (especially since she already doesn't like killing and wants to help that which is weak or helpless instinctively).
She seems to be pretty proficient at it. Considering how well she did when Hanharr was holding her by the neck. I would have agreed with you if it wasn't for her specifically referring to what she heard as an "echo of it". As in an echo of whatever Hanharr was saying, since she also said that it didn't even sound like a roar. Hanharr was fucked up, but if he spoke, it would still be a roar. I've been in a situation before where a loud explosion resulting in heavy ringing in my ears. But even right after, if someone spoke, I could recognize them as words. A barking dog I could still hear as a bark.
@@PapitoQinn
* False equivalence. Besides the fact that Mira admits (as a party member) that she has trouble with his language still (since she's never met another wookie besides Hanharr, again by her own words), remember that she'd never met Hanharr before he tried to kill her the first time. And that encounter was years ago, going by how she, Hanharr and others talk about their relationship. She had time to learn his tongue from him and his constant hunting. (And if you believe she could understand him, where do you think she learned? Force-sensitives don't automatically know language, and wookies themselves show appreciation for the few who can understand their difficult tongue).
* "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" as the quote goes, even in KotOR 2 with the word echo. They were in the same/similar pipe network we went through under the JJT - plenty of pipes for voices to echo off. I also have to doubt that you've ever been deafened by an explosion - I have, and no, you would not recognize speech as speech or barks as barks, let alone be able to understand what they were, for quite a few minutes bare-minimum. The impact your brain suffers from the shock wave caused by the explosions on top of the auditory shock will prevent you from understanding much of anything for a bit (definitely within the time frame Mira implies - just short enough so that by the time she can understand things properly it's too late, she already saved Hanharr).
@@DBArtsCreators Force sensitives do sometimes show ability to learn languages rather easily. But even so, if Mira was completely unable to understand Hanharr. She shouldn't have anything other than incoherent roars. Instead she somehow still heard something, something that wasn't even a roar, but specifically told her to save someone who has no desire to be saved.
@@PapitoQinn
* Learning easily does not equally learning immediately (again, hearing a wookie for the first time).
* She openly says that she didn't understand him because he was incoherent from the mines that shredded him apart (remember, he was on the verge of death from being caught in an explosion from multiple mines). To compare - how exactly do you think you'd be able to speak with your throat punched in your shredded up from the outside-in (meaning your throat has been pierced). I can guarantee you you would not be able to scream if it was to the extent Hanharr was injured - same as how you couldn't roar if you were a wookie. Besides that:
* Why do you think Hanharr would be roaring "Please kill me." or "Let me die". He'd be whimpering regardless of what he was saying. And on top of that:
* Mira is a self-admitted softy. She hates killing in general, and has a reputation for not killing any of her targets. On top of that she also has a very help-oriented personality, wanting to do whatever she can to solve problems and heal rather than hurt. You don't need the Force to explain why she saved Hanharr - all you need is her personality and the situation that happened. She was deafened from the explosions, Hanharr was severely wounded and whimpering from the pain, Mira interpreted his weak begging as pleas for help rather than pleas for death (which makes sense because of her helpful, anti-killing nature).
* You are also ASSUMING something told her to save Hanhaar. Don't try to lay that assumption over the situation when the only one implying that there is anything beyond Mira and Hanharr affecting that situation.
The long peace is crazy.
Love your videos btw!
This shit is high-key inspiring.
Thank you. What does it inspire you to do?
@@PapitoQinn It will be hard for me to communicate my fascination with etymologies and meanings, but here we go:
There is a word in Greek called "αυτοδυναμία" (aph-toh-thee-na-meeh-ah). The translation into English would be "self-reliance", but I feel it doesn't exactly carry the same weight, because of the different etymology.
"Αυτός" (aph-tos) is "him / the same". Its meaning here basically translates to "self".
"Δύναμη / Δύναμις" (thee-na-mee / thee-na-mees) is a bit hard to expand upon fully. Again, literal translations would be stuff like "power, strength, force"; but the meaning of "Δύναμις" is also very closely related to "empowerment", as in the ability to achieve, to act, to make things happen. Not just the vague idea of "strength". "Impossible" in Greek is "αδύνατο" (that without "δυναμη", you could say), just as an example.
So putting those two together, the word "αυτοδυναμία" speaks closer to what Kreia speaks about than the word "self-reliance" does. It speaks just as much about having the power to achieve things, as it does about deriving that power from yourself. It's something like "power+self-reliance", even though - again - the literal translation is just "self-reliance", and that's how it's used in day-to-day speech.
I hate to drag this out so much, but I really do believe a lot of what Kreia speaks of can be summarized in this one word. Ideas like "Echoes" (which is very powerfully presented in the writing too) slip past, of course; but I think my point still stands.
And to answer your question, just like the many themes in mythical and heroic tales talk of, achieve "αυτοδυναμία" is what I am inspired to do.
Sounds a bit like The Boss at the end of mgs3. "Yesterday's allies are tomorrow's enemies"
you know the more and more i listen to this series, i get why ea cut the funding for kotr 3. these are complex topics and lessons they may not want to get behind as a brand. kreia as a character in a game is too thought provoking for them
Great vid!
what a wonderful video
I think an interesting video could be theories on what KOTOR 3 would have been with the information available. It would be fun to see if it would look like another Star Wars game, darker than before, or a total satire of Star Wars like KOTOR 2 was. Maybe involve multiple endings with the canon ending being the Light Side and resurrection of the Jedi while another could involve an order of Dark Siders ruling the Republic from behind the scenes, the Sith ruling over everything, and for the most black-hearted players, destroy the Force or why stop there, take over the Force or an approximate thereof like Abeloth. Maybe involve the Celestials?
What you‘re descibing sounds like one hell of a game, which could be a really proper sendoff to the Kotor series. If it would ever come to fruition that is.
Isaak Abou Ahmed Just Google what info there is about KOTOR 3 and you will be disappointed at the cancellation. We have the planets, some concept art of one planet and even a team mate named Marsha that uses a lightsaber. A lot of SWTOR material used came from the cancelled KOTOR 3 and I would imagine a war between the Republic and main Jedi Council fighting the Sith Empire with Reven and the Exile being customizable and part their alignment based on your preference with Reven either being a Gray Jedi or a sociopathic Sith Lord and his apprentice using the Mass Shadow Generator or seeking to heal planets. The Exile would either be fighting the Empire or would be on Malachor V teaching Kreia's philosophy. The protagonist would have to choose what to do with them when encountered and the final boss would depend on past choices like how Arris was supposed to have been a possible big bad for KOTOR 2. What could have been. Imagine becoming a Sith like Nihilus or Malak with being consumed by the Dark Side makes you like him and all dialogue options sound distorted. Imagine losing a battle but instead of a game over, you lose a hand, foot, or eye and can decide what to do with it like an eyepatch, replacement, or Sith alchemy to grow a new one. WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN!
I like how you used Caesar, few recognise the value and similarities he has with Kreia. All they see are face value actions.
Did you ever make a video on the will of the force theory you briefly touch on in this? Tried looking for it but didn't see it.
The will of the force. No. I did not exactly do that yet.
@@PapitoQinn I think that would be an interesting video if it interests you/you have time.
This video title... brings back inane memories of Mass Effect 2's Harbinger and its Collector slaves.
*I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS, PAPITO!!!*
Edit: Wait a sec, am I hearing Ace Combat music in the middle or something similar?
I've encountered with The Philosophy of Kreia before your videos. I don't think they contradict each other. That video is more like an over-all analysis of the Force, of Star Wars through Kreia's eyes. You choose one single concept in each of your Kreia's Conundrums videos and dig deeper into it.
But I understand why you don't want to watch it. I am an actor and when I get a role, a character to play, which was done before by other actor(s), I never watch how they did it, because I don't want to copy anything.
And I'd like to ask you a question that I asked the anonymous author of the other video. Since you mentioned that the thesis and antithesis in Star Wars never had a synthesis... What do you think about the Dawn of The Jedi comics? In that series there was the Je'daii Order (which is interesting, that Hanharr seems to spell Jedi similar to that, but I couldn't find anything on why) and it seems to me like that was actually the synthesis: the light and dark in balance. It has some contradictions and weren't really considered canon even in the original canon, still I think it's interesting.
I haven't read those comics. I want to, and hopefully I can find them at some point. I'd like some physical copies. But I do know about the Je'daii order. I think they did have the right idea. People like to point out that the Jedi abd Dark Jedi originate from them, that they failed. But a few failures doesn't mean to completely shift to extremes. You find the issue and address it, you evolve, and adapt. Instead the members became extremist. That's more along the lines of what I meant with a synthesis. Not within the force, but within people. People can't alter the force, but they can alter themselves. After a conflict you're supposed to learn from it; stripping away weaknesses, leaving behind common elements and ideas from the thesis and antithesis.
Yes, I agree. And I think that Luke Skywalker's Jedi Order was going for something like this. Not a true synthesis maybe, but a little back from the extreme. Like what Kyle Katarn teaches in Jedi Academy: "Remember, [Force] abilities are not inheretly good or evil. It's how you use them."
I would definitely recommend reading Berserk, it goes over duality and fate in a very deep and raw way. It’s very similar to the themes of Kotor 2 and makes you question ones humanity and it’s control of its own existence in the sea fate. Is free will real? Is fate and destiny real? Is there a deeper self or is it only just our actions sprung forth from emotions. I love dark genres like this, not because it’s depressing, but instead forces us to question our beliefs and darkness inside of us.
Shame it never properly ended.
Maybe what the Force wants is what makes a good story for us, the audience. Without conflict, there is no story, so the Force always brings conflict to the galaxy eventually. For the same reason, the Force creates coincidences that drive forward the plot in the various star wars media we see.
Statement: Your decision to abstain from watching the Philosophy Of Kreia video is clearly well thought out. You wish to explain your personal views and in order to do so you rid yourself of the opinions of others to keep a clear head. Be that as it may I feel that it is deeply ironic.
Elaboration: The person you are discussing has stated herself that one has to know all aspects of the matter at hand to be properly informed and able to make a decision.
Recitation: “If you are to truly understand then you will need the contrast, not adherence to a single belief.”
Continuation: In an earlier video you have used and agreed with this statement, and in your videos you show the views of other people to strengthen the various points you are trying to make. The current situation shows that you are making a point about considering the different points of view and go on to actively blind yourself to the views of others.
Conclusion: While you have a right to your own opinion and I certainly have no opinion on whether you watch the video (I watch you for *your* content after all, not the other guy's) I felt necassary to point out that your reasoning was, in fact, flawed.
Retort: But let us finish this philosophical nonsense. Who do you need me to kill?
It dawned on me that perhaps Scourge was a vessel of the Force just to kill Meetra...
You make an interesting point in this video. In many ways, the Force is like the concept of God. Although this is no secret, it is important to understand is that you cannot truly understand the Force just as you cannot understand a being (God) that is beyond anything human. Something ethereal and incomprehensable. Thus, all actions of the Force are beyond morals, ethics and any kind of human laws and rules. I like to think that in some ways, Kreia would be an atheist in our universe, just for the sake of spiting an uncaring god that watches suffering from afar.
On a sidenote, that very last part of the video, where you mention that famous Kreia video of that nameless creator (which is one of my favourite videos of Star Wars), was kind of ironic, I think.
Because that video "woke me to the truth" of that that nameless creator believes, hearing that truth around me, in life. Just like the quote Kreia says. I find it ironic that you would dismiss such a lesson from Kreia, as she tries to teach the Exile. Might be wrong, though. Just my thoughts.
Thank you for this video series. I really enjoy them.
Nice fallout music in a Star Wars vid my 2 favorite games and movies
Well on that synthesis thing i agree with Oxhorn. It is not a scientific fact with observable evidence but a philosophy,
Not in the sense that you can touch it, no. But people learn from conflict, and all parties involved change. They're not who they were, they're who they were + the new lessons, and that's the synthesis. Can this happen on the scale of an entire country? Absolutely, it happens all the time. Thank goodness it does.
@@PapitoQinn True i went a bit in a wrong direction with that. Ox's point was that neither side learned anything in Fallout after the battle at hoover dam.
I have a suspicion about the force and its will
I feel like the forces end goal is not balance but to simply inspire action
Every time we hear about the will of the force its in relation to events happening
Its always causing someone to do something, inspiring actions and setting events in motion
The force is like a storyteller of an endless story, and all it wants is for the story to continue
Theres no real way to know, even with my theory, why the force wanted hanhar specifically to live but I bet you it has something to do with his drive to do things, and I feel like the force reaches deeper into the minds of the driven, and exerts greater manipulation over those with a greater will to act and live
It seems to align to some degree with what that person wants, you rarely hear of the force itself opposing someones desires and making them change their behaviour, probably because forcing someone to change their course of action would weaken their drive to do anything at all. Those who are spurred on to do what they want have more drive to act and live, and I feel like the force wants simply that everything acts.
And to that end I say thats why the force causes people to clash, causes conflict, drives people to fight and compete
What greater drive is there to act than things like self preservation, or to stop someone else taking something you want
I wont tell you you have to watch the philosophy of kreia video, but I will spoil one thing for you that I think its important that you know, which is that the video suggests the force separates the starwars universe from our universe because the force drives people to act. It drives people to descend deeper into selfishness, or in pushing them that way causes them to react, and detach themselves from life
IN both of these cases the force is a _force_ (huehue) that causes people to _do something_, so whatever its goals and wants are, theyre gonna have something to do with making people do things and causing events to happen. And everything we know and understand about balance tends to end in everyone settling down and not doing much of anything, so it couldnt want balance. My theory says it only assists people in both the dark and the light because that causes conflict, and conflict is the strongest guarantee that people will do something
Thats my theory right
They say the force is in all living things, binding everything together, so in a way its a kind of life energy, and it seems kinda clear to me that life energy wants there to be more life energy. Nothingness is the death of all energy, and so actions must be the source of life propegating life, even if those actions cause death. Life springs forth from death all the time afterall, and more importantly, death causes reaction, especially in an intelligent species like humanity or other sentient aliens. So by forcing people to act and kill, it spreads death as a way to keep spreading life, and keep itself "alive"
Keep itself everywhere
Keep life going and living and being alive
I'm glad u dident watch the other dudes video. I saw it.........but ur videos are different. they go deeper. ur videos are more on point. I respect yours more. even tho they are much shorter.
Great video as always.
I think you should watch Kreia's Philosophy video someday. Perhaps when you feel you are "done" with Kreia's Conundrums.
That video and yours aren't that different regarding Kreia's teachings. There is a noticeable difference: your Kreia Conundrums focus entirely on Kotor2, while Kreia's Philosophy jumps back and forth with Kotor1, and goes into explaining the movies trough the lens of Kreia's teachings, which not only makes sense, but you notice how terrible the Force really is.
I strongly disagree on not watching the video by Rika (I'm naming the nameless guy this way, 'cause that's the name of the character in his profile picture). True strength of belief is achieved, I believe, when you can hear other people's opinions and still keep your own. If you change that's either because your opinions are unformed and this can be a basis for forming them, or they're weak, so they deserve to go anyway. In both cases, I think, you're better off. It's not like you can't change your opinion again upon reflecting on your own.
This fear comes from, most likely, not having much practice with this. I used to fear this, as well. But all we see at that point is the downsides. There are a lot of good sides, too, which we overlook. Improving your opinion was already mentioned. You can also get inspired to think on something (_in your own way_) you haven't considered before. You can hear something that you have a strong response to (doesn't even have to negative, you can agree, but have something to add, or improve it - not that disagreement is bad, either). And I don't think this somehow cancels your own opinions or makes it not genuine. Tl;dr: "Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own"
For instance, there's something I disagree with both of you, after watching a ton of content about Star Wars you made (although, I'm not entirely sure on your stance on this, Papito). And it's something I wanted to bring up for ages, but wasn't sure where, but since this video is about the influence of the Force, I guess this is a good place. Does the Force directly steer Force sensitives towards its extremes? But not in the way you describe it in this video, but in the sense that once you start making Dark Side choices it "leads you down its path". I don't think it's really explained how it works in the SW universe, so I'll cover both possibilities.
The first one is that you don't have much choice once you start down the "Dark Path", you don't have the freedom of will, or you're strongly influenced by the Force to go to its extreme (this possibly works the same way with the Light Side). I feel like this is the dominant interpretation, something I think Rika implies in his second video on KOTOR 2, the one about the Grey Jedi. I don't like this interpretation, 'cause it makes freedom of choice irrelevant or near irrelevant. You then only have choice only in the first, little, decision, and from then it's set in stone. You could still be held responsible if you knew this is how it works, yes, but it makes Star Wars much less interesting, imo. Plus, you get into weird places where making a little lie freely, makes you responsible for a genocide when you end up at the end of the spectrum. Also, afaik, some characters bounced around from extreme light to extreme dark (Revan), and there are characters, mostly Kreia and Meetra Surik, who were balanced, at least for a period of time. All these seem to imply it doesn't work like this. Or, that it's possible, but very hard?
The second possibility is that the Force merely gives you power and you then you choose how to use it. While I like this interpretation much more than the first, it also comes with its problems. But first, the biggest plus of it is that it gives much more weight to people's choices and makes Kreia's philosophy make more sense. The Force is still subtly influencing people, but it's people who are ultimately responsible for all their choices. They could've stopped at any point between telling a little lie and genocide (also, now it hits me that lying doesn't _have_ to be a bad thing, even though most of the time, it most likely is). But the problem is exactly that influence. How is it different that the first interpretation since giving people power can also be seen as nudging you in a certain direction? Especially paired with the two philosophies. Although, it's questionable whether the Force "gave" us these philosophies... Well, imo, the only answer I can offer is the degree, I guess. In the second interpretation, the Force still influences people, but much less than in the first one.
I wonder if the Force might not even be a sapient entity. Does it actually have an end goal in mind, or does it just follow its own nature, changing things to suit its own taste in the moment, like a beaver building a dam. That could be the reason galactic events are never-ending back and forth that continuously repeat. The Force has no ultimate plan. It just feels most comfortable with balance, as most creatures do, and so it has to compensate every time things start to tip to one side. Does it even realize all the people it constantly manipulates are alive?
I think it is an overinterpretation that the Force somehow manipulated Mira actively to kill Hanharr. The influence Force exerts is generally passive and not really malicious. Light and Dark Side have their own mechanics, Light generally steers things towards order and peace, growth of life, while Dark Side encourages destruction, death and despair. Sparing Hanharr is an example, I think, more of Mira's latent Force abilities. Hanharr may consciously be more willing to die, but at the moment of weakness, there is a possibility that part of him craved to live and Mira heard that part through the Force.
Not only that, the Force doesn't have a will in a way a deity has. That is one interpretation of the Force, but it's not the full story. The Will of the Force I think can be more compared to currents of the ocean, rather than acts of will. I also don't see how the Force is driving everything towards war and destruction - the Sith aren't tools of the Force, their own philosophy relies on conquering and abusing it, using the Dark Side which is destructive. The Force however, the Light Side, is not. The places strong in the Dark Side are ones filled with death and destruction, that when sought out bring more evil. But places strong in the Force, just in the Force, are peaceful and stable.
Another thing is, balance in Star Wars isn't an equal measure of Light and Dark. Light Side is the Force and the Force is balance. Dark Side is imbalance. The balance has always related to destruction of Dark Side, while Dark Side has always been the element that brings imbalance. The "Light and Dark == balance" is a very fresh thing, mostly post-Legends and SWTOR stuff. Definitely not Kotor.
The will of the force actually is to be left in balance, since there is a lot of real world inspirations, the will of the force is natural balance, corruption and use of the force against its natural will throws it off balance and thats the dark side x light side
For creators like you it might the right thing, not to watch similar stuff. Adds different perspective to the content. Great video!
The goal of the force is to power Ricks car
Problem, if the Mira-Hanhar life debt is Hanhars first, he wouldnt know what its like to live with directly.
This leaves open the possibility that like most living things the drive to surivive kicked in. (So the echo mira heard would be a genuine reflection of hanhars will)
Conclusion echo could originate from force or hanhar. Additionally, Mira could have botched up understanding.
Whether you believe in it or not the same thing can be said about Christianity today, there a thousand different denominations who have all twisted the Bible into their own way of worship even though everybody reads from the same bible. Great video by they way, keep it up!
i hear call of duty classic pagusus bridge
Skyrim music 😀
Tomasz Jackowski and call of duty
2:38 Nah, since he was a dark sider I just read that as him being a hypocrite.
Do you think the force is a representation of this idea of causality? That the Galaxy is predetermined in a cosmic scheme that only the force knows. Or is the force merely it's own entity that is abused and pillaged by some, like man does with all natural resources and now man faces it's wrath.
I think the force disires connection with all living things both dark and light.
There's something I've been working on for over 2 1/2 years, but I'm really worried about watching certain shows the people always recommend to me, like Cowboy Bebop. Because it sounds too similar. I never really saw Bebop and now because of what Dan Houser said about The Wire and Breaking Bad, etc. I'm too afraid to. I've already borrowed enough as it is. I don't want what is literally unanimously considered the best anime of all time by most people who've seen it, to be a shadow looming over me all the time. I want to be original.
It's the same reason why I won't go anywhere near TVTropes. I don't want every idea of mine to be reduced to a series of tropes. It really trivializes things when you're trying to tell a compelling story. And of course everything's been done before. I don't need reminding of that.
Maybe it applies more to things that are more contemporary, that are being made now. Maybe I should watch Bebop but be wary of what everyone else is watching right now or watched recently, like Stranger Things, Ready Player One, Captain Marvel, etc.
You do what you have to do. It's not a sacrifice since you can always watch it later. Cowboy Bebop in my opinion is the greatest anime ever made. The music is 50% of that show. But still, it'll be there when you're done.
That's the thing though. I may never be done with this. I intend to keep working on it till the day I die, and for a couple of days after that.
@@jamieriley8444 That's pretty extreme.
"i am assuming direct control"
the lost jedi wher found. I'd say the force always has control. no matter what
Great video, but I have to respectfully disagree.
Maybe hearing Hanharr begging for his life wasn't something the force did, but actually a small resemblance of "good" in Hanharr, that life should be preserved and protected, even if it is his own life.
Also, like everyone here said, it'd be great if you watched the Philosphy of Kreia video. Isolation is one of the the reasons the Jedi masters were so wrong, either hiding themselves from the Mandalorian wars or the master who did nothing on Nar shadaa, dantooine, etc.
Isolation also screwed the Brotherhood of Steel in New Vegas. It's like protecting a wrong ideology from proven wrong by isolation.
Anyway, I hope you change your mind
a dialectical synthesis also gave rise to the ideology of fa$c1sm, so ... one might want to reconsider that approach to perceiving and building the world.
Is the background music from New Vegas? Lmao
What do you think about the comments made by HK-47 when you ask him about how to kill jedi? Does any of them relate to Kreia's views?
"That to kill Jedi you have to be a human being." - "I do not know when the Jedi ceased to be adherent to their code. But many did not tread cautiously, and many were quite arrogant when facing a droid. As if we were somehow beneath them."
I think that while the Force has a will it does not have an intelligence. That the Force has no goals no grand agenda but is a natural web of life created and sustained by the actions of said life such as war, peace, strong aggression, placid pacifistic, life, death, slavery, freedom and so much more. As such the Force doesn't manipulate life with some-kind of grand agenda but follows a pattern set by said life as said life envisions in it's mind, imagination and it's mythology and stories. For the Force is created by life and it gains it's rudimentary patterns and instincts from the minds and wills of the people and does not have an intelligence in the sense of sentient beings but in the sense of animals.
I don't think that the force holds sway over non force users the same way it does Jedi and sith. I think good or bad, non force users are in the middle
Does the force manipulate people of the force is like the astral world in berserk or the wrap in warhammer 40 000?
In berserk god contrôles everythings, and manipulate the laws of causalities, but it is said that it is not god who created mankind but mankind who created god to have a purpuse !
You know i return to these videos as to balance myself also like Kreia and i remembered about not looking into similar works just not to be hindered or resembling. Well i agree on that point & disagree about it also. Its because you limit yourself to a point...
To believe is an idea is alsa willing to betray it !
You have taken a complicated question, servant of Atris, and you have trivialized with your own answer... and lack of experience.
For example the video you refuse to watch, is & can be understanded by people who did not played the game. While your videos can only be understood by people who played the game...
There is nothing wrong about looking into different styles of something you do... But if you dont look into the very thing you have been doing then you better do it good because you limit yourself...
Bruv your vid’s are fire and the music is nice. But goddamn bro it’s really tuff hearing your soft voice over the loud ass music please do sun about that dawg I mean these vids already uploaded I’m just arguing w myself but damn shit gets on my nerves
I believe in the future the planet may unite, and become a Federation... what ? xD
I personally prefer your videos to the other guy I think you just do it better some how.
Thanks, man. I assume you mean Mr. (dot), rika, that guy. Who made the philosophy of Kreia video. Me and him talk from time to time. He seems alright regardless. He's got almost 36K subscribers though. I think his subs would like me videos too. But there's no guarantee that they'll be exposed to them i suppose.
I like your videos, but when you started talking about real geopolitics you lost me. Putting the UN of all things in there as an example of synthesis, of overcoming and peace shows you do not understand the nature of contemporary geopolitics. The peace we have between different states is due to there being a hegemon (the US), a power so strong no other, not even combined, can challenge it. And even if there was another power, as when the USSR was still around, the existence of weapons of mass destruction guarantees that war will be limited and short. Usually, conflicts between bigger powers are now fought by proxy, such as Vietnam previously, or Syria today.
The war part didn't age well.
Must suck not watching Breaking Bad and The Sopranos though, because your art might get muddied by those otherwise brilliant works.
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