when you’re basically the first marvel movie villain
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
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Today I’ll take a look at what made Willem Dafoe so great as the Green Goblin in Spider-Man (2002).
Spider-Man is a 2002 superhero movie directed by Sam Reimi, starring Toby Maguire and Willem Dafoe. It was one of the first modern Marvel movies, and Dafoe's performance as The Green Goblin helped set a precedent for many Marvel movie villains to follow. So let's look at how he got the role, and what made his Green Goblin so great.
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Willem and Keaton
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Vulture.
Ooh, yeah, that was a great surprise.
Hearing about Willem DeFoe basically having to fight for the role-it just makes him as an actor and a person even better, IMHO.
Right? What a guy.
"Out, am I?"- William Defoe
He fought for the role? Karate or Kung Fu?
He invented his own fighting style. No doubt.
IMHO? Facts*
One of the greatest comic book villain portrayals of all time and he seems like he didn’t miss a beat between the 1st SM and No Way Home. And to top it off, to do his own stunts at his age is seriously impressive…
100% yep.
The way he kicks and flips around in sm1 and nah is so graceful and badass.
I wanna meet this man and shake his hand and be on our way.
@@SOSO_CREPITUS true
The way he played the character is good but his motivation after he kills that members of the board is kind of a mystery why does he fixate on Spiderman if he already reached his goal ?
This man was literally one of the best non MCU Marvel villains, got sucked into the MCU, *became* one of the best villains in the MCU, and just left. What a chad.
Very well put.
also, refused to elaborate
Mcu villains are pretty shit .
What a remark thanos
@@henrychinaski5938 They're not shit, they're forgettable and it's worse
The fact that this man’s conditions were to return in no way home were
“I do my own stunts and fight scenes otherwise the fans won’t believe it was me”
He is an actor like no other
Willem Dafoe is a one of a kind actor.
Willem had only one thought in his mind when he knew he had to fight for the role.
"Gods don't choose, we take."
This is correct.
Dafoe actually enjoys acting. He has fun BEING these characters. And I don’t see why he shouldn’t.
For real. Love what you do and people will love you for doing it.
I think every actor should! As an actor you can make a movie 10x better by putting your heart and soul into the role!
I can only imagine how much fun he had with Boondock Saints.
Oh yes he really enjoys what he does and it comes through!!
He has an incredible range and many classic roles under his belt, plus he does stage stuff on the side too so he’s constantly working
Something I feel that Raimi (and Dafoe) understood that the rest of the MCU didn’t is that the villains are horror movie characters. To us and the heroes, it’s a thriller action, but to the in-universe people, these villains are nightmares.
The dock ock hospital scene?
That was pure Evil Dead atmosphere@@coffinboy556
Nailed it
The superheros are horror movie characters too. Hulk. Captain America. Spiderman. All monsters who choose the light.
@@Strawman36As shown brilliantly in The Boys
Willem Dafoe is a beast and he was 100% right he was born for the role he was to Green Goblin what Robert Downey JR was to Tony Stark
Couldn’t agree more.
You're right, they're both too short for the characters they play
But let's make em fight.
@Juggled He would make the best joker
Yeah, he impressed even more in nwh
I worked on this film doing VFX. On all these shots. Man, what a blast from the past. We had no idea it would be this successful, we laughed at it in dailies. Also...its incredible how high-fidelity the photography is compared to today's Netflix or Hollywood films shot digitally. I was a VFX artist so I would promote digital things, of course...but I realize now film looks incredible.
Ah! I’d have interviewed you for the video had I known.
And seriously. So many of these shots are just beautiful as far as just good old fashioned photography goes. The faces, the colors. Yeesh.
Thanks for checking out the video.
-Danny
@@CinemaStix Cool. And yes, I remember the single take of Willem in the mirror. Sad when they cut that. But Sam's editor and close friend Bob M came up with all the classic edits and moments in the film! I was impressed. They brought all the Evil Dead stuff to it.
Yeah, I would imagine if they did all that in single takes and then still decided to cut it, they knew exactly what they were doing. Or it wouldn’t have ended up as brilliant as it did.
Is that film vs digital, or what can I look up to understand it better?
@@jonm1013 I dont understand the question
as a child, i was absolutely terrified of the green goblin. i was scared of the scene where norman shakes violemtely and breaks out of the chamber. seeing willam dafoe's raw portrayal of the emotions of norman was scarier than the goblins mask itself. every second of norrman was like i was really there, seeing the man. the goblins laugh is still ingrained into my head as something that evokes a primal fear from my childhood.
You just awoke a dormant feeling from my childhood. I have the exact same feeling, Norman shaking after being exposed to the green gas was a really frightening experience for my young self. Damn, thanks bro haha
Dude! didn't know that the mirror scene was shot in one take. That shows how good of an actor he is.
SERiously. Would’ve loved loved loved to have been on set to see that.
It would be awesome if the unedited scene was still out there.
I get why they cut it. Watching the camera speedpan back and forth between dafoe and his reflection would've been nauseating.
You know, he's something of an actor himself
See, knowing Dafoe, I just assumed it was
You know you've nailed a character when the following reboots of the franchise don't even want to try to make a different version of your character.
i mean.. they did tho
@@notdave2752Harry doesn't count tho
@@tydshiin5783there was a green goblin in TASM2
@@windupstudios8960
Gardields spidey was a big flop
@@windupstudios8960 There was a Harry Osborn Green Goblin, not a Norman Osborn Green Goblin. Two different characters.
Honestly, Sam Raimi’s horror style was the perfect way to bring comic super heroes to their fullest.
Seriously. Who woulda thunk it.
Especially with Darkman which nobody seems to talk about unfortunately.
I mean, it's a guy with spider powers.
Imagins being a criminal and seeing some masked guy crawling on the wall.... chills
I agree. Sam Raimi's horror movie style bottle fed the superhero genre after finding it on its doorstep with a note from the action movie genre.
Yeah perfection
The mirror scene was the first scene I ever saw as a kid where I felt the villain was immensely interesting. My admiration for how he could switch back and forth so quickly and without missing a beat is also what made me realize how a talented actor could really shine
Raimi's outfit designs are simply the best! This version of the Green Goblin was, is, and will always be the definitive version of the villain to me. So much so that whenever I saw a different version of the goblin (especially versions older than the movie one), they looked wrong.
This man made this role so Iconic that I hear his voice even when I read the comics
That’s amazing. It’s that way for me with Kevin Conroy.
Honestly not many people say it but I think Tobey’s voice fits Spider-Man great too, when he’s in the suit
@@CinemaStix If you don’t hear Mark Hamill as the Joker, then I don’t know what to hear.
His smile in the no way home trailer was such a good thing thing ,that made us believe that he is going to be badass in again in NWH
@@pleasedontvisitme9723 which trailer?
It should be worth noting that Defoe continued to insist on doing his own stunts when he reprised his role in no way home.
Which is A-mazing.
He even said he wouldn’t reprise it if he couldn’t do his own stunts
The guys in his 60s and he didn’t miss a beat
He’s always been super athletic, stunt men on the movies he’s been in have always said he’s incredibly fit & would even have a hard time keeping up with him, not only is he an amazing actor he just seems like an all round good person.
It was such an amazing spirit from an actor so far
He’s a menace of the Rami universe and the MCU. The Goblin is literally a multiversal threat.
Yeah, those are some big shoes.
That story about the teeth is the best part of this video. And it makes perfect sense, and I can see why the producer wanted that. But the improvisation to leave his natural teeth on, in the mirror scene adds to the viciousness of the goblin, and we don’t even know they did that to the audience. Great work.
I know _some_ big CEOs, but none of them have perfect teeth. Mind you, I'm in Europe. Is this thing about CEOs having fake teeth something common in the USA?
@@El3ctr0Lun4 I don’t want to sound "too learned" by saying yes. But it does seem like an intelligent input to the scene. Little things make it better.
Love this mini docu tribute to the MCUs most iconic villain
:)
Willem Dafoe's voice done it for me.The split character was just perfect.
Oh yeah. In No Way Home, too. I just believe him when he was being friendly, and I believe him equally when he isn’t.
@@CinemaStix felt like a real bi polar skitzo
Honestly this makes me love and respect Sam Raimis Spider-Man trilogy even more. Growing up with it as a kid and seeing it now as an adult , you can really see the love the man had for the source material and the love he put in the actors heart making them wanna preform there best . I seriously don’t think with the way superhero movies are now and how connected every movie has to be and how it has to be part of a bigger cinematic universe we won’t see this type of story telling of Spider-Man in a movie where it’s just about him and the people in his lives and not about a larger universe but hey at least we got this
It was such a unique point in time for superhero movies. Hardly any precedent, and so much potential ahead. Of course-and to really only speak further to your point about how things are today-they even managed to bring this 20 year old trilogy into the connected universe with No Way Home. Something I never expected to happen.
@@CinemaStix it’s crazy to think how superhero movies have grown so much since the 2000s alone , and yea seeing them make there big return to the big screen and Willem Dafoe still wanting to do his stunts is crazy . And off topic but hopefully Toby or Andrew can make a return as a Spider-Man in there own movie a fanboy can dream lol
Well, if history has taught us anything, it’s that for every 1,000 things fans want and don’t get, every so often we get lucky. I’ve actually got something coming out tomorrow somewhat on the topic of fans winning over the studios. Though admittedly not Spider-Man related.
@@CinemaStix I’ll definitely check out the next video , and keep up the good work this was an amazing video and brought back some fond childhood memories
The fact we have these movies the way they are is truly magical.
To those who don't know, the other actors that were considered for the Green Goblin role at the time were Nicholas Cage, John Travolta, John Malkovich, Jim Carrey, Jason Issacs and Robert De Niro. Maybe I could see Jason Issacs for the Norman Osborn role and I can see Jim Carrey doing the Green Goblin part, but I think Dafoe did a good job embodying both characters.
Edit: Thanks for all the likes.
Nicholas Cage could do a good job tbh but we lucked out when we got DaFriend
Jim Carrey honestly isn't a bad choice.
I remember hearing Kevin Spacey was also considered and he honestly looks like Norman Osborn and if he probably would've portrayed Goblin as a more colder and more of a serious father similar to his Ultimate Spider-Man appearance. Not sure if I could picture him as Goblin though.
John Malkovich would've been epic. Dafoe was the perfect choice though.
The only onther actor I can see playing Norman Osborn besides Dafoe is... Leonardo Dicaprio.
I remember as a kid admiring Willam Dafoe for his role in Platoon. Ever since I try to watch everything with him in it.
Dafoe understands the craft and gets why it matters.
That’s why he gets the roles we love, and we love to see him in those roles.
I like how they made the “capped teeth” thing a major plot point in No Way Home.
When DaFoe’s in Norman mode, his teeth are “normal”. But when the Goblin takes over, his teeth revert to how they naturally look.
Yep. However, Norman was just a mask. Green Goblin was always there.
That was in the Raimi movies.
Idk about a “major plot point” lol
@@jerkstore7505 it’s in no way home. Emphasized too
it's one of those things you see and you know he has turned but I couldn't put a finger on it until this video. My brain tells me the transformation has happened but I can't tell how I know it has happened... i just know it has!
Awesome piece. What really got my respect for Dafoe was how he was able to pick up the character 25 years later and hit a home run! THAT'S acting.
Him and Tom Cruise with his new flic
19 years
William Defoe literally stepped out the Toby timeline and jumped into to the Tom timeline to teach him how to be Spider-Man
outta boy 😈
I love Dafoe as Green Goblin, he's just a riot in this movie. I'm glad they settled on him because while he hams it up, he has subtleties too and Dafoe's theater background is literally perfect for Green Goblin with his flair for dramatics, it's very fitting. And his voice work with Goblin is so fitting, it's iconic.
I love his attitude too, it wasn't treated as something serious by a lot of his peers, but he loved the idea and approached with excitement and respect. Willem is great!
Now after all the hype settled down and we can come back to No Way Home, I think one of the most brilliant parts of that movie is definitely Willem coming back as the green goblin without the mask, that scene where Peter is just punching him straight in the face and he just laughs like a maniac, that's chilling man, what a performance
He’s got all the acting chops of a “serious” actor and then goes full ham. It actually works so well for the Goblin because he’s terrifying in a instant
Legitimately, the way he delivered the lines; which were in all honesty a travesty to read, were 100% masterfully done.
Somehow the "comical" lines were completely believable
Totally
“Hiya, Harry” 💀
I can’t imagine a world where Willem Dafoe isn’t casted as The Joker…
Where can I find the portal to your universe?
Seriously though. And I can't imagine a world where he's cast as green goblin using goblins actual green skin.
you're living in it
Ah damn he would actually make an AWESOME Joker ngl
*Vader breathez heavy* kevin bacon would be better... *Vader breathez heavy*
8:37 Green Goblin dancing through the chaos is not something I thought I needed to see. 😂😂😂
This is Canon
He killed the role in both Universes. The voice, the laugh, the menace, one of my favorite things to watch.
Wow the teeth part legitimately got me. I never even paid attention to that and I LOVE that they went with the direction of showing his teeth in the mirror scene. I love that scene so much, I am always wondering how on earth did the producers think anyone BUT defoe could have done the goblin any justice. What an amazing actor.
Seriously. The teeth thing was half my inspiration for even making this video. And I wasn’t paying super close attention, but I’m pretty sure that was maintained in No Way Home.
Thanks for commenting.
-Danny
You know he's something of an actor himself.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH HE SACRIFICED?
I gotta say, the man really knows how to switch his tone of voice a I enjoyed hearing his green goblin voice.
Oh yeah. As a kid I never really thought about it. Each half of the character always felt super different, but I didn’t exactly pick up why. But each voice really is unique. I have so much sympathy for him when he’s just being Norman. Then when he switches I’m like, why did I ever feel that way?
Not for nothing, but in Larries defense when yer in a alternate diminsion as UNPAID KNOWN PERSON in a gold fish bowl, (the very thing I saw coming that nobody else saw and what I tried to avoid btw haha! ) again being rusty is actually not a problem in this COMPLETELY unatrual habitat haha, and this can actually be intellectually proven from my real life unfortunately unique perspective ( or what I like to call the 3rd diminsion as described above ) haha. My guess is, if ? I was in a natural environment dealing with normal pressures I'd probably be over the rust and dust , within a yr tops haha, I haven't actually tried in OVER THAT haha, so see haha , it's not relevant actually haha.
Haha oh I know right haha, I wasted all my time reading yt names and talking to u haha, but I did clearly hear that and was enjoying it while occupied haha.
@@CinemaStix LMAO!
Dafoe: *plays one of the most compelling and interesting villains on TV ever
Also Dafoe: "Wanna see me do it again?"
Absolute Chad
0:47 back then when he was Spooderman
Now with No Way Home tying with the Raimi and Webb Spider-Man movies, Defoe's Green Goblin is now technically the first MCU villain.
Willem DaFoe is the PERFECT live-action Green Goblin, and I feel like he would've done an absolutely perfect Joker for any Batman movie! The man is a little crazy, and that's what makes him so great!
Plus, if you noticed in this video there was a clip showing Christian Bale who played Batman in the Dark Knight Trilogy along with Willem Dafoe in the same scene together, I don’t know the title for that movie though, just a cool coincidence. I’m sure Willem Dafoe would’ve been great for a Joker role, but I’m glad we got Heath Ledger.
This video feels like a story youd hear on npr. Really well made
This honestly means a ton to hear because, for this video specifically, I took a lot of cues from a couple of my favorite NPR shows. I wanted something less analytical and more story-driven. And just, they do it best over there.
i know he mentions it, but his theatre training is highly experimental - you can look up his work with the Wooster Group to get a very strong understanding of where the need to do the “physical stuff” he mentions, along with his swing-for-the-fucking-fences delivery, comes from. huge admirer of his career and his artistic ambitions
Dafoe’s delivery of the rooftop speech is permanently seared into my brain. He took a monologue that could very easily be campy and delivered it with such precision and menace that it has more weight.
Spiderman is by far the movie that most impacted my childhood, and i never get tired of re-watching it. And without a singular doubt, when i think of the definition of "villain", Willem Dafoe Green Goblin always appear fresh in my mind, with that sinister smile and that terrorific voice that always scared a 5 year old boy.
I was right there with you. Basically the same age. Just the best.
I was 10 years old and he still scared me. And he managed to scare me once again in No Way Home, despite me being 30😄
One of my ALLTIME favorite actors!
MINE too. What a beast.
Same
Usually I'm tired of crossovers, but Dafoe plays the role so well, I wish we could have seen Osborn in a scene with Stark, either in or out of costume.
I hope we get something like that in Secret Wars. My big dream is to see Wesley Snipes, Hugh Jackman, Tobey Maguire, & RDJ share a screen as pillars of the superhero genre.
That scene where both the goblin and
Norman are talking to each is just
masterful…Willem is, was and always
will be a brilliant actor.
Willem Dafoe is such a great actor. You could tell he really cared about playing Green Goblin to his fullest potential and wasnt just looking for a paycheck
Willem Dafoe is one of the best actors Marvel has ever had for a baddie, and he always will be after reprising his Goblin role in No Way Home. Fantastic
Great video summary! Dafoe was genius in this role. The original trilogy is still king even if SM3 isn’t perfect.
Thank you! Yeah, man’s the bomb. Definitely planning to do something on SM2 at some point, too.
@@CinemaStix raimi is the glue and visionary. Not cookie cutter
Like what honest trailer said " the godfather" superhero movies...
@@mellohi6175 I actually liked the whole Venom part. I thought Topher did a nice job and I liked the conflict between him and Peter. I liked the Sandman plot less, with him being the true killer of Uncle Ben. But his scenes as Sandman still looked great and the actor was good. With three villains the movie did feel crowded.
tom holland is forgettable movie, once i get out on theathre, i already thinking on food instead talking on that movie
I really like the seamless blend between voice over, interview clips and movie clips (and audio commentary?).
Makes it feel like I am both getting the background and the story as told by Dafoe himself
Thanks so much! It was a little experimental. Someone else commented that it made them cringe. So. Subjective I guess. But I’m glad you enjoyed it :)
-Danny
Willem Dafoe as Green Goblin has always been my favorite.
I'm missing out dang.....
**Reads title**
**Laughs in Deacon Frost**
Norman practically nailed being the goblin ^^
1:01
Marvel & DC presents…
“Green Goblin VS The Dark Knight: American Psycho”
The closest we’ll ever get…
When I clicked on this video I didn't look at the views or subscribers and after seeing them now I am shocked. This is an amazing video.
Dang, thank you. Well.. hopefully those numbers go up. But if not, I’m glad at least you chose to click anyway :)
Right? His essays are just something else. The pacing, the tone, the in depth history and the themes. I have never clicked subscribe faster
Willem is definitely the STAR of that film. He appears in each movie afterwards in little moments and he ended up stealing the multiverse film also. What an actor!!! Just insanely talented!
From interviews I've seen recently, it seems like he's just as passionate about his job as ever. Loads of respect for anyone who can preserve that for their whole life.
Dude I just wanna say, I absolutely loved this video. I really liked how at the end I was expecting you to do some sort of sponsor thing with the teeth subject but you just added it as a fun fact. Love that
Thank you so much! Haha, honestly I had no idea about the end. The teeth stuff didn’t really fit anywhere else, but I really wanted to mention it. So I was like, psh, I’m just gonna tack it on. Forget organic transitions. So, I’m just glad you kept watching through that part.
That man’s just unmatched.
Simply and utterly.
Awesome work on this - Defoe really brought to life my favourite villian of all SpiderMan movies!
Thank you! Yeah.. dude is a beast. Do you have a favorite Spider-Man movie?
@@CinemaStix This would be the one!
Only ever saw the first Garfield movie, same with Holland's.
Don't think either of them were bad, but to me they don't hold up against Maguire's Spider-Man of 2002. Seeing as I saw the 2002 one multiple times as a kid, and can appreciate the acting and other aspects of the movie even more now as an adult; it has only improved in my eyes. Love that movie, both Maguire and Defoe were brilliant!
He’s one of the best actors of this era
There was so much creativity and passion put into the Raimi movies, from the performances to the effects team and everyone else. I've tried watching these other MCU movies but they feel like something else. Sure the Raimi movies can be cheesy at times but they felt so much more authentic than these new marvel movies nowadays. This was a risky move. Something new and unconventional. These new ones feel like they're just betting on the "safe path" once they saw how lucrative these types of movies are
Amazing editing and commentary! had me smiling throughout the whole video :)
Thank you!! Haha, hard not to when you’re watching Dafoe doing his thing.
I can't even imagine what a loss it would be if they casted someone else. That movie wouldn't work without Willem and he probably wouldn't be so popular and beloved today if it wasn't for the Green Goblin.
But the best thing is that you can tell he really loves acting and is always having a lot of fun on set.
Absolutely love the style of your videos!! Very unique and feels like a little documentary!
Thank you, sincerely! This one especially felt a little experimental as I was putting it together, so I’m glad to hear it paid off. Got something new coming tomorrow :)
I'm still waiting for a superhero movie villain to feel as terrifying, intense, and menacingly charismatic as Dafoe's Green Goblin did when I saw the movie as a kid
Willem Dafoe is such a perfect villain that if he announced his plans for world domination I'd just be like "Hahaha Classic Willem Dafoe"
Willem Dafoe's performance as Green Goblin was legendary.
Genuinely curious, what do you think separates Defoes performance from Ledgers. Personally I think he did as good as Ledger
I think context and tone make the two very difficult to compare. But I would definitely admit that they both have each their all. That just meant different things to each of them. Both are pitch perfect. Why I feel Ledger stands out from most other villains in movies is how transformative his portrayal was. I think Dafoe was a great choice for Goblin, naturally and intuitively. But I think Ledger defies nature and intuition to mold a character in unexpected ways.
Just IMO :)
-Danny
Love how no way home did do much work and appreciation to the green goblin
I've always loved William DeFoe and I'm so happy to see him get the credit he deserves as an actor! His acting in No Way Home is incredibly moving, proves his amazing control of his face and voice to move from warm and soft to dark and terrifying, and it heightens the overall movie from an artistic perspective. Solid video, and so happy this sweet man and passionate and incredibly talented actor is getting the praise and recognition he deserves!
Up there with heath ledger and Jack Nicholson for absolutely nailing a villain in a comic book movie. An absolutely legendary performance. When I was 9 and this movie came out he scared the shit out of me!
Acting as these over-the-top villains and in these expressive scenes sounds like a blast, but this video puts into perspective how much effort goes into all of the background stuff and getting prepared for it.
That mirror scene is one of the craziest scenes I have ever seen in a super hero movie I don’t any other superhero movie has had a scene like that
Just brilliant.
The acting is so good you think its special effects
@@waynejamel6703 exactly when I first saw that scene as a kid I was tripped the hell out
Raimi trilogy had such good casting. Just perfect
Im 23. And I remember when I first saw the movie as a kid. Every actor’s/actresses face in this movie, even if I only knew from this movie, have nostalgic faces and roles I haven’t forgotten. That’s some good nostalgia and acting.
Dude is a legend and his commitment to the character is what made it so great and a lasting great villain until this day
It's always super cool seeing the real-world background for how a character ended up the way they are presented on the big screen. The casting battles, the actor's thought processes, why they presented certain scenes the way they did, etc. It's like getting a glimpse into the bigger picture of what makes the artform art to begin with, and why it ends up being art at all.
The villain in blade: “ I guess I’ll just go fuck my self “
Yer name! 😆
I miss this, hearing an actor really breakdown the motivations and mental processes of their character, and how they went about enacting all of that, with so much passion. I feel like we never get that anymore.
Imagine seeing this movie when you were 8. Green Goblin still gives me nightmares to this day.
Deacon Frost was the first legit marvel villain on the big screen.
What is a fact is that the marvel villains of this 2000 era were the best for me, not all of them were epic but they were solid enough for their own stories Willem Dafoe Green Goblin Ian Mckellen Magneto John Travolta Howard Saint and Julian Mcmahon Dr Doom were great Hopefully one day Michael Fassbender returns to the MCU as Magneto and they give him his well-deserved recognition. I say it was a serious mistake not to cast Sir Ian Mckellen as Magneto in Multiverse Of Madness instead of returning to Patrick Stewart. I would have preferred Magneto to face Wanda and so seen with this Goblin of Mr. Dafoe would have been repeated
Yes
They probably would’ve just made him lose instantly like all the other members of the Illuminati.
Maybe a hot take, but I'd love for the MCU to recast Michael Fassbender as Dr. Doom for the upcoming F4 movie.
After seeing him as Magneto, Steve Jobs, and Macbeth;
I think he has the acting range to pull off such an emotionally complex character and would do wonders with the role.
Michael Clarke Duncan's Kingpin too
It's amazing to see the green goblin dancing while the crowd is in panic. Really comical and in line with a comic villain.
It's strange, I feel a sort of retrospective anxiety and simultaneously an immense relief upon learning that Willem Dafoe had to fight for the role. Raimi's Spider-Man is the very first movie I ever saw in theaters at just 1 year old. Ever since then, it's remained my very favorite film series of all time. Easily more impactful for me than ANY other media. I've seen them all a million times, and I'm somehow lucky enough to have been born just in time to witness each one's release, and the hype surrounding them, all during my formative years. The composition of every scene, the delivery of every line of dialogue, they're distinctly and permanently burned into my brain. And Dafoe's performance was so perfect. The thought that it more easily could have been Nicolas Cage or anyone else in his place... it feels like a bizarre perversion of what I now consider to be a timeless, classic, revolutionary masterpiece, created exactly as it was meant to be. As if the universe willed it the very moment of its birth. I can't imagine a world without Raimi's Spider-Man, or without Dafoe's Goblin. I don't want to. They made me who I am.
You are filling the deep hole that I've had ever since Every Frame a Painting ended. Thank you for creating this channel
This is probably the most meaningful comment I’ve gotten from people. It’s a hole I was left with, too. I figured if I can even begin to attempt to try to just maybe kind of fill that hole a tiny, tiny bit.. then it’s worth the effort of making videos :)
-Danny
Wow I never noticed the teeth, and the differentiation they did with Goblin not having the perfect teeth is genius
Super genius. I only noticed after someone pointed it out to me a few years ago.
Great video bro! I love your channel!!
First started watching the Heath Ledger video (awesome video) and then I was led to this one.
I love Willem Defoe.
I was cheering so loud for him in Spiderman No Way Home.
Hey man, thank you! Yeah, the guy’s just the best. I was so glad he came back for NWH. It’s what inspired me to make this.
Anyway, glad you enjoyed it. I’ve got something new every Friday at noon Eastern Time. I hope there’ll be more you like.
-Danny
This is so tightly edited with the clips I love it
:)
5:16 this scream caught me of guard
That scream gets me every time 😂
Nice analysis! Willem Dafoe really is a BEAST :D
Thank you! Yeah, that man can do anything, and will make the absolute most of it.
This video was fantastic
Thank you! It was a joy to put together.
All of which begs the age-old question: Why the fuck is he still not playing the Joker?!
Parallel universe man. It’s happening out there somewhere.
BECAUSE HE’S THE GREEN GOBLIN
There's hope
Cause joker is a stupid overrated clown. He's not a physical match for batman so there's not as much to work with.
Goblin was stronger and tougher than spiderman and tortured him physically and mentally.
@@Jon-6969 Yeah, no. You don't understand joker, nor Goblin.
Goblin has been proven to be physically weaker than Spiderman. Shortly after every first scuffle with Spidey, Goblin decides to operate in a similar manner to Joker. Use human shields.
Going all out endangers stuff that matters to Peter Parker. To a certain extent, this also goes with Batman.
Spiderman is just Batman with flipped riches, less detective work and more super powers.
Willem just doesn't want to be typecast as the psycho nemesis. There exists a universe where Dafoe laughs as Michael Keaton firmly grasps his shoulders, laughing with him in the dark, rainy night. And Heath Ledger, speaking in a raspy, smoking-abused voice flying in a glider giving Andrew Garfield the business.
If the two villains ever met, one would definitely say "You and I are not so different."
Willem Dafoe once said in an interview for Shadow of the Vampire:
"Costumes are everything. You got a good costume, you got good hair... you're half-way there."
Dafoe and Franco actually fit so well together in father & son roles. They look pretty related
“Basically The First Marvel Movie Villain”
The Dark Overlord of the Universe from Howard the Duck (1986): “Am I a joke to you?”
:) Indeed. Though one of these days I’ll make a Howard The Duck video, and I’ll call it “When You’re Actually The First Marvel Movie Villain”.
And I know. Blade. X-Men. It’s just my feeling that Frost and Magneto didn’t influence Goblin the way Goblin influenced the basic template for Marvel villains for years, if not decades, to come.
@@CinemaStix don't forget Normak, since blade 2 came before spiderman
Touché. A very good point.