Can we make a Lada engine run in the other direction?
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It’s like a French tank - 1 forward gear and 5 reverse
That's too funny! Kind of like an advertisement (spoof) I saw for a WWII French rifle - Good condition, only dropped *once*.
@@Colorado_Native Never fired, dropped once
All jokes aside without French defenses Dunkirk would've gone very differently
@@Zippsterman Better. Thanks.
Why do French tanks have a reverse mirror?
So that they can see the frontline
Why are in French so many avenues?
Because Germans like to march in the shadow
Sorry if someone feels offended
@@Zippsterman As would the American war of independence.
this is the greatest engineering channel on youtube :D Those guys can create anything as long as they have a lada as a base.
I have never wanted a Russian car before I saw vlad
Try Allan Milliard.
If not, they just build one out of wood.
turn seat around move steering column, now its a rear steer , rear mounted motor monster
Dang I just said that also!!!! You beat me to that one 🤣
Shhhh. I could barely watch this one
Thanks, I just said same thing...
Can you mount 2 transmissions in the Lada? Granny low gear and 8th for the salt flats..🤣🤣
They did it already. May be not yet translated
Twin Stick lada Trick 😅😂😂
The project isn't complete unless you flip the differential, get the timing correct, I even think you could get the oil pump to work in reverse (though admittedly I know nothing about Lada oil pumps.)
It's undoubtedly the standard gear pump... given the way they work and the fact they're somewhat integrated into the block structure, you'd have to spin it the correct direction to get it to pump oil correctly.
You can't make this shit up
You can’t. It’s class.
Ain’t that the truth!
They are running out of ideas😂
Oh... but they did!
That's why I love this channel.😂
So, over here in the US, we had some old farming equipment that had reverse spinning engines. One in particular, was a small block chevy, in a bale wagon it got tired, so my neighbor put a small block out of a pickup truck in it. One forward gear, and 3 reverse.
The carburetor could have been placed where the exhaust exits
Then start the engine in the opposite direction of rotation without adjusting the camshaft. Of course, the exhaust will come out of the intake manifold
good thinking
Yamaha made a 'Reverse barrel' TZR250 (I think in the '90s?) where the carb was where the exhaust manifold is usually), and the exhaust came out the back. The thinking then was that a combination of air being sort of 'Force fed' into the engine plus the acceleration G's and simplistic front to back 'Natural flow' would help with power... Not sure how much it helped, but, nice concept though. It DID make me think though around that time why more cars & motorcycles weren't built that way, as, it did seem logical to create a 'Better flow' for input/exhaust (cooler air in, a 'Direct' exhaust out back kinda thing)... 🤔😏
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Always wondered as a kid later yamaha 450 mx bikes do this somewhat but they loop the exhaust all the way back around @thedarkknight1971
Garage 54 delivering questions that no one ever asked before. Nice.
But had in their minds
i acually wondered a lot about this...
Do you know this for a fact tho I see them doing a lot of of requests.. even if they come up with their own stuff it's still pretty awesome dude
Fairbanks Morse built opposed piston diesels that could run in either direction by shifting the phasing between the two crankshafts via a lever. Of course it was easier because it was a two stroke.
I've also seen people say Detroit Diesels would sometimes run in reverse by accident. There's even a video on here of a dump truck with a Detroit that stalled on some hills, and smoke starts pouring out the air filter 😂
Some GM 567-645 ship engines could change direction with the shift of a lever, (air start so no starter problems).
Most large ship engines are run in reverse to back up.
They had railcard in nsw that had this. Needed to shut down to get into reverse
The old tin hares
@@grabasandwichthe forklift at my old work used to was ruff to get it to but it would blow all the dirt back outta the air filter hahaha
Love to see if you could fit a small jet engine in a lada.😱🐺👍
They'll do it 😃
Lada must be the most versatile engine in the world.
With the most versatile crew in Garage 54
Next up how fast can a lada go in reverse with 4 gears.😂
Fliping te diferential
Than you have 1 forward 4 revrse😊
@remcogijsen6200 seen that on scrapheap challenge but don't think they knew that one.👍
I think they did it already
@Matiasfs94 not seen it with 4 gears just reversing think. Will check again cheers.
@@Matiasfs94I'm certain I've seen that one, I just couldn't find it last time I looked for it.
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Reverse polarity on starter. Swap intake and exhaust manifolds. Adjust timing to tweak
Bzzzt with the starter. I was looking for this one. First, a starter is a series wound motor. AKA the "universal" motor. This type motor is also in brushed type vacuum cleaner motors, and no rectification is involved. The motor will run on AC just as happily as it will DC.
So, no matter which polarity you put across it, it will spin the same direction.
Assuming you *could* get it going backwards (requires flipping the polarity of the brushes with respect to the stator windings), the bendix will not engage the flywheel because it uses a screw mechanism to drive the gear out, which is dependent on it rotating a specific direction to work.
Basically, more work than it's worth.
Realistically, if you're going to use a starter, it would be much simpler to mount it from the other direction and just run it stock. Assuming you get it mounted solid, it will spin the flywheel the other direction happily, without being aware it's doing so.
You would have to mod the car to a positive earth to get the starter to spin in reverse easily. Not that hard with a simple point system if you ignore all the rest of the electricals
I literally just thought about this, and was going to send it as a comment as a idea, and this video popped up. By far my favorite channel
You guys are awesome. You can achieve anything. I didn't think it was possible to make a engine run backwards. Hi from Australia 👍
With a 2 stroke it's as simple as spinning it the other way and messing with the ignition timing... with a 4 stroke there's a bit more to consider 🤣
Volvo penta engines are chevs running in reverse for boat engines
Wow, very nice. So the Lada head must be symetrically mirror reversed relative to the center line.
Like (1e1i) (2i 2e) (3e 3i) (4i 4e). So when you swap it around its still correct.
If the head is not like that, then reversing the cam end to end wont work, you would have to make a new cam almost. Yes I looked and can find heads that are (1e1i) (2e 2i) (3e 3i) (4e 4i). So it would not work on that type engine.
So many wonderful ideas and so love seeing the area and culture around you as you drive and talk to people. You guys rock!
The look on vlads face when that guy asked if the fuel would go back into the tank!!! I'm fucking dying lol
Those Ladas are,tough! They must be, you guys do torture them!!
The ideas never stop awesome as.
Flip the diff upside down.
What difference will that make?
@@simonallan9941turn the diff inside out
@simonallan9941 it would spin backward, thus giving him his forward gears back.
@@Adam-nv9zo bruh thats not how it works 😂
Would need an intermediate gear added for reverse direction
Garage arshanders.
1. To rotate oil pump in right direction on this engine its enough to redo piglet and vertical shaft coupling. Not so easy, but possible with right equipment
2. Reverse camshaft can be done from scratch too, but I think it would be easier to swap manifolds with some external piping
3. Water pipe will not work properly, but at least it will pump something. Requires to machine internal walls and it becomes better
4 but the biggest problem is chain drive. It will not work ever, as on reverse it strains on the tensioner side, rapidly destroying plastic boot. Can not imagine quick fix for this problem.
This was exactly what crossed my mind this morning, what a coincidence that you posted this video. Love you guys 🌹
It's a bit of a mind bender, when you get to thinking about it! Well done 👍
Cooling system ?!. But you're in Siberia. That is your cooling system!!!
I love these guys! They do the best projects i swear
This car experiment makes my brain to think in reverse.
This would be PERFECT for the Reverse racing classes (local tracks will make the drivers race backwards) . Just flip it, start it, and no one would know how you can to 100kph backwards :) ..
Not a surprise to me. In the process of figuring out what component was causing a diesel to run away, it would actually run in reverse after starting normally. Turns out a fuel injector had stuck open, and the result was me getting a facefull of diesel exhaust as I was standing near the intake ready to put a plank over it. Timing chain and components weren't actually damaged at all.
Bearings broke lose and spun with a loud crack when the engine was turned off after the first test drive post "fix" however.
I once started a Ford 221ci inline 6 engine in a Falcon, the timing was off so it didn't want to start while cranking, but once you released the key it would start and idle, ALWAYS... but in the wrong direction. We discovered this after trying to move the car (manual, 4 gear, column shifter) it had 4 reverse gears and one forwards.
Yee! 🤣 just go 2 stroke! They will easily run backwards! You can just advance the timing in the opposite way! I would normally suggest an old 2 stroke 3 cylinder SAAB engine, but they have large wide open intake ports to the crankcase from the carburettor, and running them backwards will cause the piston skirt to catch on the port, tearing a chunk out of a piston. So these weren’t meant to ever run backwards. But many other 3 or 4 cylinder 2 strokes, especially reed valve or rotary valve induction can, as well as piston-port with vertical pieces to stop piston skirt snagging. Plus, a 2 stroke LADA would be awesome! I am back, Vlad and the guys! Can now comment and like! 😋👍🏻👌
Leave the camshaft in the original way, on a camchain engine replace chain and sprockets with timing gears. If the oil pump is run off the camshaft, it will still pump oil the right way- if it runs off the crank, the pump will just blow bubbles into the sump.
Than you neet to flip the manifolds
intake become exhaust
Exhaust become intake
It can be done
Guys do what you do! My favourite youtube videos that I watch!
You guys are insane! I love this!
Now you turn the seats around backwards, move the steering wheel, peddles and shifter and turn it into a front wheel drive/rear wheel steer lada. The only one ever.
Youse lads are everyday heroes
History in the making!!!
BRAVO guys you finally did it!!
Russian aircraft have propellers that spin the wrong way. Sitting in the cockpit, you should see your propellor spin from left to right, the way we read. A Russian airplane typically has the opposite, a right to left seen from behind. I think the LADA engine is standard rotation, seen from behind it spins clockwise..
That’s really cool… I’m curious though, does is overheat since the water pump is being spun in reverse as well?
This can happen with some extremely advanced timing, red neck messing around with the various engine parameter sensor inputs directly to the ECU (ECU was unmodifiable, car wasn't worth it to mega-squirt) , and a slow starting RPM with a well timed backfire - has this happen with a 1998 Hyundai Elantra with a 2002 Beta 2.0 motor with HO cams. Surprisingly it idled, oil warning light was on, and smoke appropriately eliminated out of the intake, and 1st gear did drive in reverse - only let it run like this for a few seconds given NO OIL pressure... restarted it and it turned properly after some well deserved sputtering thanks to the sooted out intake.
When I was in the US Army in the 90's, it was rumored that you could pull start the big diesel trucks in reverse. I never had the experience with that, so I couldn't confirm
Probably 2 stroke diesels so very plausible.
You guys are crazy, but i love it. Greetings from Norway
It is interesting to think how it performs with the valve sizes flipped. I’ve seen this done on old school American V8’s before, they called them “reverse flow” setups. Someone has apparently done it on accident with a newer LS before when they spun out in gear. Great content!
if the valves were flipped they wouldn't draw fuel from the carb, which is unmodified.
Y'all never cease to amaze me with the craziest things done to cars! 😂 👍
Yamaha made a 'Reverse barrel' TZR250 (I think in the '90s?) where the carb was where the exhaust manifold is usually), and the exhaust came out the back. The thinking then was that a combination of air being sort of 'Force fed' into the engine plus the acceleration G's (for the atomised fuel) and simplistic front to back 'Natural flow' would help with power... Not sure how much it helped, but, nice concept though. It DID make me think though around that time why more cars & motorcycles weren't built that way, as, it did seem logical to create a 'Better flow' for input/exhaust (cooler air in, a 'Direct' exhaust out back kinda thing)... 🤔😏
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Yes! You can do it! Dual motor 4 wheel drive Lada, wish i could buy one.
That's awesome guys, only you can make it work.
Can you modify a lada engine block for offset crank? i think you would have to weld up the main bearings, line bore the crank, move the bell housing and weld the timing cover.
Have you tried switching the rear differential in reverse then you can run the motor and backward but you still can you use your transmission as normal
I've always wanted to see you guys do a reverse of the intake and exhaust //// Я всегда хотел увидеть, как вы, ребята, поменяете местами впуск и выпуск.
I'd like to see a Lada 4cyl motor run as a twin/twin - cylinders 1 & 4 fire together, then cylinders 2 & 3 fire together. Would it help with torque? For example - how a parallel twin motorcycle engine has more accessable lower down torque, compared to a 4 cylinder you need to rev the motor higher to get anywhere etc. It's why Triumph motorcycles went with a triple, to get a 'Balanced combination of power and torque' (like a mix of twin and 4 cyl)... 🤔😏
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You guys ROCK!
I've heard legend about a lad who had messed up his ignition timing, & resulted in his engine spinning backwards! Certainly never seemed like something you can do on accident 💀
You should build an inline 24-cylinder engine. That would be awesome.
Radial engine like an old airplane engine with I4 lada blocks instead of single cylinders around the central shaft. No clue how the firing order would work, but it would be hilarious to see.
@@UmmmmmmmWhat All the oiling would have to be dry sump as well, at least for the side and bottom mounted ones
@@SlowMenWorkingJust run them all as individual engines 🤣
An car engine can definitely run “backwards “: We had just finished rebuilding the four cylinder MGB engine after I burned a rod bearing and I was setting the timing by ear. It fired right up and as I was either advancing or retarding the timing, I went too far in one direction. The engine kinda of backfired and to my amazement, it started idling in reverse ! Instinctively, I put the palms of my hands over Venturis of the dual carburetors, after what seemed like an eternity, the motor finally stalled. If I hadn’t witnessed this happening firsthand, I wouldn’t have believed it!
what about to replace clutch with torque converter ?!
Be a lot easier with a Trabant. All you need to do is change the ignition timing.
Love your experiments guys. Starter are DC just switch polarity and it should (in theory) turn in reverse.
Except starters use the body as a ground,
And I don't think the Bendix would allow the gear to engage the ring gear?
@@grabasandwich true.
But let's be honest, getting a starter to work on this engine would be child's play for garage 54.
The solenoid will pull the plunger instead of throwing it out, best solution would be to strip it and flip the field magnets in the stator then it should run the opposite direction. Bendix drive shouldn't matter if you don't mind going dog to dog with the flywheel now and then, might need to weld the clutch bearing though
Thanks for granting my request! Now, let's see how fast it will go in... erm... reverse (4th gear)!
First time I lifted the bonnet on my old Civic EJ I knew something was crazy different but it took a minute to sink in. As i now know, the B/D series run counter clockwise and the drive belt and timing belt are opposite end to usual
The distributor is spinning in the opposite direction, so the centrifugal timing weights will retard the spark with higher engine speed, rather than advance it.
You could counter that by disabling it and then the vacuum advance would have to be modded to rotate the baseplate the right way
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@@geoffgunn9673 But the vacuum advance is for light throttle loads, advances timing for lean mixture, slower flame propagation, you still need centrifugal advance for optimum power at full throttle, no vacuum.
I'd lock the distributor in full advance.
It will still advance timing. Centrifugal force doesn't work backwards just because the rotor spins the other way.
I see a problem with rotating the cam shaft, the degree diference between exhaust and intake are the same, but you must be using the exhaust cam profile to open intake and the same for exhaust using intake cam (if the valves in the motor are not simetrical, this issue would not occure if the valves were EXHAUS intake EXHAUST intake INTAKE exhaust INTAKE exhaust , or the other way around, but i think it uses INTAKE exhaust INTAKE exhaust ..... etc )
You actually dont need to do allot, have done this a few times on a couple different engines.
If you mod the starter to rotate in reverse then swap the intake and exhaust manifolds, it will run as is, of course you run into other issues with flow and heat, the water pump doesn't run backwards so we had to run electric pumps, google chevy 350 running in reverse. Its been done its not hard. Makes for allot of looks at the shows 😁
You guys make me smile. Loving the Lada action. Makes me want to visit Russia.
If you flip the rear end upside down the transmission will work
this is the perfect Segway into a rear engine lada
Can you flip the diffrental.
Siete dei geni del male, per questo vi adoro e vi seguo! Ciao dall'Italia 😎😎😎
Did you ever mod the air intake and flip the diff?
Smoky Unich built an engine for NASCAR racing that ran backwards, to use its torque to load the car into the corners for better handling. It worked.
The cam has to be changed because the valves will be opening at the wrong time if you don’t. If the fuel pump uses a diaphragm that is moved up and down, it won’t matter which direction the engine turns. The distributer will have to have the plug wires in the right direction. And the starter will have to be to turn backwards. Now if you’re running an automatic transmission there should be a so rag clutch so the it turns in the right direction. The water pump will turn backwards.
This channel has come a long way in the USA 👍
Yall should flip the trans backward as well. Like the tail shaft becomes the input shaft and vis versa. Bell housing behind you and first gear all the way right and down. Would be weird.
Peugeot did this with their 405 Dakar cars back in the 80s to stop the nose dipping caused by the rotation of the engine on the big jumps.
"You made a Honda?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The fact that you got it to run bass'ackwards is amazing. That's all I got to say
can you reverse the gear cluster in the trans?
I love your videos!
I Been asking you guys for a few years if you can try to make a diesel engine run backwards. But this is awesome 👌🏼
Absulutely incredible
Loved how you confused your neighbors with it lol
I think he should race all of these ladas he has created against each other i think that would make a cool video
Now flip the whole drive train and make a rear engine lada
All you have to do to reverse a 4 cylinder is drive the cam in the opposite direction. When you run the engine, the crank spins the opposite direction but the cam runs the natural direction, This will also run the oil pump and distributor in the correct direction. Am I wrong?
can't you swap intake and exaust ports ?
After all your videos i think lada engine is indestructible
So, your water pump runs in reverse, too? Did you invert the thermostat or just remove it?
The water pump will still work, at a reduced efficiency, running backwards. They are a centrifugal impeller type, which has the vanes optimized for the intended direction but they will still sling water going the other way, just not as well.
The water will still be flowing in the original intended direction.
Could you have switched the intake and exhaust manifold instead?
Fit some sort of gearing to reverse the rotation of the prop shaft. Surely that will give you 4 forward gears?
I am waiting for you guys to make the Lada fly like a helicopter.
Garage 54 ,YOU CAN DO IT!
it would be much simpler to transplant the lada engine to a plane.
Can you remember the spring return piston 30+ bhp gain just a thought what would happen to the engine if springs were some how used to return the pistons from the crank side don't ask how I just have the idea lol
Am I right in thinking that sense the oil pump can't pump oil up to the top of the engine, because if every is turning backwards, the oil pump would just be sucking air through the oil gallery around the head?
I have right and left hand boat engines the only difference is the timing chain on the right hand engine and the left hand engine has two timing gears that touch and as the crank goes the other direction the cam goes the proper direction causing the oil pump and the distributor to go the proper direction.. the difference is the starter and timing gears instead of a chain on two gears going the same direction... TDC is the same the only thing that changes is crank direction of rotation.. and if you want forward gears you can turn the rear end housing over putting the Ring gear on the other side of the pinion changing direction of tire rotation..
Wouldn't flipping the rear axle fix the reverse issue?
flip the rear differential up side down reverse will be forward forward gears will be reverse gears then drive it on a obstacle course. Driving backward.
Very ingenious
I think you should change the intake and exhaust sides for this to work
We had a lada nivia cossack, we called it the cocksack 😅 it was unbelievably strong and fun off roading