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In 5 years… 7680x7680 per eye Also developers that care about performance and not just make it look cool and hope the person buying can play The displays should be done as best as they can from the get go and have it as a module so you can upgrade the processor or the housing or what ever it may be People are more likely to buy improved parts rather than a whole new headset If dell can do 2 DP inputs without issues then driving 7680x7680 per eye would not be an issue with 2x dp 2.0 ohh and at 120hz minimum
Field of view and skin-ability. Good passthrough. Good grips on controllers. Rift S only ticks the first. Fast setup. Button to take and share VR photo in SBS stereo mode. Support to (pop-out) SBS photo sharing anywhere.
@@EinkOLED firstone cant be done even if the lenses where too large for the image being displayed there is still an edge to it (just turn your head) Second one being HDR… Personally HDR sucks the range of blacks and range of whites gets messed with and shrunk and it destroys the enjoyment Lets say you have 1,000,000 blacks that fade closer and closer to grey… go HDR you just slaughter it to 100,000 best case and even less in most cases More backlight zones is superior to HDR in ever single way so its better to ask for 50,000 backlights per eye than HDR that most will turn off immediately
Great interview. This is how Meta should always present their stuff, not the fake and scripted stuff they have done recently. Looking forward to see more in the future.
They both have their place, you need the scripted presentations to draw in the investors and talent/employees otherwise you don’t get to this level of progression.
@@Alex_Logan22 Sure, I was reffering to the stiff/fake feeling style from previous presentations. You can still have something that is scripted and aim to make it feel more natural like this conversation.
@@leandrobello04 Well, that's just Mark's presentation skills, I doubt he's ever gonna give up that spotlight. Better off just memeing about it for fun than taking it so seriously like so many do, I never questioned the honesty behind the scripted words. Almost every gaming company goes through the same struggles/jokes anyway.
@@Alex_Logan22 This was his best performance so far and you can see that on the comments (a lot better than the usual). The producers for the Meta events should take note of that and take advantage of where he performs the best.
@@leandrobello04 I would just tell them (all presenters not just Mark) to stop reading with a salesman/pretentious tone of voice. Just read the script naturally even if it sounds more boring that way.
Norm, from a long time fan, I just wanted to say that you are THE guy for this kind of video. Part journalist, part engineer, part historian, part maker. You kept up with all the technical details, were familiar with all the relevant technologies, and knew why and how things got to the point they are at today (and will get to in the future!). Great work!
This was such a fascinating insight into the development of display technologies at Meta. The future of this tech is so exciting. Great job by Norm and the Tested team []-)
Love your channel Mike - this might be a tad weird, but I feel like this is as close to you as I'm going to get. Being the 4th person to like a comment you left on another video! :D Seen all your videos, love your channel, it's my break from work!
@@VirtualRealityOasis You replying actually made my day :D Just wasn't expecting it. Anyway, I appreciate the channel man, hope you have a good one too.
As a VR developer, this is very interesting to me. I'm glad someone does actual engineering instead of just cranking up the resolution and calling it a better headset. I'm so excited for the future!
Game developer here as well! I got the Quest 2 last month and the first thing I noticed, was the fixed focus distance, reading stuff. Having the ability to change it it's incredible, but also incredible is how Meta is thinking on the devs part by not requiring input from the game to change this distance. It's so aliviating knowing that we don't need to think about it. I also hope they deliver an SDK to this system because we could enforce the player's focus and that can greatly improve the player's experience! It's pretty neat indeed
I have a hard time believing the answer for clarity and realism is motorized. Maybe to offer a larger field of view, but for making focal adjustments? I am doubting.
@@Mike-kt4qh Yea. but like they said in the video, you don't need the high resolution to be everywhere, just where you're looking with the eye tracking. So resolution on the small part of your vision you're using is important. Adding the eye tracking and other software is gonna help much more than just pumping the resolution up on the entire screen
This video humanizes Mark so much. He is not charismatic and he is a supernaturally bad actor, but watching him talk naturally about something he's obviously passionate about reminds me he's just a guy. Dude would do himself a lot of favors in the PR department if he'd do this more often and stop acting in commercials. Also, that flat polarizer lens is something I'm really glad we got to see. It looks like hot garbage and often times companies refuse to show things that are less than perfect, but that's not always the right approach. Thanks for letting us see it, Meta. Super cool WIP.
i am actually shocked to see how invested into this he personally is and how much he knows about the actual tech and everything... i mean it's not his job to know about anti-aliasing and reprojection and eveyrhting he is the CEO of the world's biggest company pretty much that's crazy to me that i'm now convinced he personally test some of that stuff and acvtually helps with hands on and stuff,...
If Mark is interested in vr is because of datamining! Not the love of vr. Facebook was dying. They need new fresh souls so a datacollector in the form of a gaming console get the kids in the bubble bahahaha. Facebook who wants to give the world a present bahahaha. And they next generation is falling for it. Please give them the real news of facebook. Privacy lawsuit after privacy lawsuit. In Germany it's even forbidden to sell the quest2. And they have a hystory with leaders who use propaganda too fool the people. Bahahaha
W.r.t. your point on Mark's persona: There are significant differences between the audience watching this video versus the rather broad audience of the consumer market versus the many other audiences he speaks to. Perception aside, Mark is CEO of one of the most profitable companies in the world and both the teams involved and himself must very carefully understand and appeal to the target audience. Think about the target audience here and its demographic composition, which include you and I. Then, watch this video with intent to introspect and analyze what specifically appeals to you. You'll notice even very subtle, innocuous things may be intentional or manufactured for the sake of appeal, driving the overall sales pitch. What is actually manufactured may be his entire persona or just a more aligned adjustment of his natural personality. Nobody will ever know, albeit care. Regardless, this is not an attempt to instill paranoia. Rather, just a reminder to remain vigilant about what influences your decisions of what types of products or ideas you find attractive, where you're acquiring them from, and their costs. Like many other indoctrinated and heavily integrated things in our society, consumerism is yet another and shares more attributes than just being immeasurably lucrative. The most important being the fact that you're able to make your own such decisions about these things. Don't drink the cool aid. :) Cheers!
Could you add time stamps? This is a pretty massive video and, tbh, I'd love to be able to see what each section was talking about, so I could watch this bits at a time.
The Mysticle, China getting into the VR Market here is the link ruclips.net/video/N8EQAYDjDxI/видео.html this is why I keep telling People and Gamer's that I'm glad Mark Zuckerberg is investing in META because this is the future and we should support Mark Zuckerberg and META because China is all in for The VR Market.
Excellent interview. Would love to see this format return every year (or every other year) to provide updates and insights. I love how in depth and thorough the entire video was. This is the level of information I was wishing I could get yearly from Oculus Connect (aka, Facebook Connect, aka Meta Connect).
The topic collecting private data from the users. He and his shareholders are very interested in it yeah bahahaha facebook stinks! You can change your name but not your tricks. Who still knows the world before facebook, before online racism before morons with low iq with their opinion (just go back to school) house wives who post every diner and icecream to make their girlfriends jealous. Even a moron of a president get elected with the social media addiction from people. No social media concerns go into history as strewing mankind. Every single hour you spend on facebook checking your exes is wasted time you better could have spend by reading a good book or real news and not bubble information the algoritm serves you. Mankind is becoming stupid with this company. All they want is ads of products you have to buy to give you a better life bahahaha. Sick world!
if this was all he focused on, sure! then i'd welcome it. but while he enabled autocracies and genocides around the globe, presenting him as some innocent tech geek is then further enabling him to remain as the head of this company that does a lot of harm.
@@breakbreakbreakbreakbreak I know and it pisses me off. On one hand, I absolutely despise Meta for the damage they've helped facilitate by bringing a platform that allows for the spread of misinformation. That's the current damage. For the future, I can definitely see myself living in a dystopic ready player one-esque scenario with Meta being your real life equivalent of the cartoonishly evil bad guys. On the other hand? The advancement that Meta brings by providing both a consumer friendly headset with a very friendly price and the research they're doing with VR and AR that, for most other companies it's an afterthought. For Meta? It seems to be their betting horse for the foreseeable future.
@@hervymarquezgarcia1079 one thing to keep in mind is that while it seems like facebook is advancing the technology and has a value to play... is that really the case? they've monopolized a lot of the talent, many who probably would be eager to be hired by Oculus had they remained independent, or at least just reliant on a few investors. facebook spends millions each year on things like avatar development and what do they have to show for it? even if they're speeding up the development of cheaper all-in-one gear by a few years, i don't think it's worth allowing them to become future gatekeepers. although thankfully they absolutely suck at building their own vr social platforms, they've tried five or six times already and that fools errand has kept them from buying up their more talented competition, that might grow too big and expensive for even them to snap up once they finally realize Horizon is doomed to fail. at least that's the hope. as for the hardware, i still recommend it to friends since i want to get them into vr and but hopefully valve and apple and others will then provide better gear without a large increase in cost, once people have gotten a taste.
Norm is best in class for VR coverage, I've said that many times. But it's so endearing seeing how genuinely excited Doug, from Reality Labs Research, was to show Norm what they've worked on knowing that he'd understand and appreciate those finer details. He's all smiles the whole time. I love it.
Yeah he seems like a tunnel focused tech bro CEO who just seems to want to propell mass-market metaverse tech forward. I definitely think his company is lagging in moderator & ecosystem ethics but otherwise this is fascinating stuff!
Extremely interesting and informative video! Great work Norm! I like the format mixing the interview and the hands on scenes for each tech feature. You can feel the passion of the lab team and Mark for the VR tech they developed. I am surprised but thankful for Meta to have open their doors for this fantastic Tested video!
I have so much respect now for what Mark and his team are doing. After feeling like it's been in the shadows for so long this stuff is simply groundbreaking and their level of focus is actually awe inspiring. Thank you so much for this presentation!
Amazing video Norm, I feel while Adam Savage's Tested channel is incredible, Projections or VR that you showcase really deserves its own Tested channel - I do find your videos sometimes hard to find. This is terrific work, I loved the interview and demos, a huge thanks to Mark and the team at Reality Labs Research.
This was such a cool video! I'm shocked how willing they were to share their development. It was soooo cool to see! It makes you wonder how far past these stages they really are. I'm sure they have a lot of stuff that they need to keep under wraps to stay ahead of the competition. I'm also very impressed how knowledgable Mark is in this topic now as well! Thanks Norm for this behind the scenes look. It was very informative and it really brings a lot of excitement for the future of VR.
Makes me wonder if a) This is "Old" tech and they are a lot further ahead or b) They are other people out there who might be able to help or have solved some of the problems they are struggling with and help speed up bringing this to market.
@@stephenbull2026 might be for recruiting purposes. Get engineers interested in the problems so they want to go work for meta and solve these problems. I do think it’s a good sign for a company to be somewhat transparent because it shows they are rapidly iterating. If someone tried to copy this stuff, they will be skating to where the puck was, not where it’s going. It’s generally companies who are no longer innovating that are trying super hard to protect existing tech because they are not generating new and better tech.
Actually coming round to the idea that Zuckerberg isn't the Achilles heel for VR that the die hards have made out to be. It's clear to see his genuine passion for the technology coming through.
Will that be enough to protect it though? I also think he genuinely believe that Facebook can be a positive force in the world, but as long as the way they monetise is data collection and advertising, it will always come out net negative. I think their heavy investment into R&D and VR games is exactly what is needed for VR to progress right now. I'm just hoping they either fundamentally change the way they make money, or that they lose to a competitor when it comes to the crunch.
Damn norm. I'm not crazy about mark Zuckerberg but its a huge accomishment in itself to get an exclusive longform interview with him. Awesome work. I'll watch the video now
@@fretfingers I don’t why people were surprised by that just because he comes off funny in scripted presentations. One does not invest so many billions and the future of their company into something they’re not passionate about, that’s just common sense.
@@fretfingers maybe just slightly. Knowing that he openly denies claims of selling customer data, dodging questions in courts, pushes huge agenda and, censorship on his platform, and wants to own all virtual realistate in the future makes me not able to really relate to him
Meanwhile other commenters don't like him because he doesn't censor enough so it's encouraging genocides, scapegoating and false narratives around the globe. Almost like there's no winning if you own the largest social media platform! Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
And fyi no big tech company sells your data. Your data is what makes them profitable, publishing your data would kill their business. They sell advertisements with more accurate targeting, thanks to their ad sense profiles.
Impressive to see Mark as the co-CEO of Meta knowing so much on all the VR details. Well done to Mark and Norm for the interview. Changing the company name to Meta and all the knowledge, dedication, and commitment Mark seams to have on VR / AR really improved my confidence on a bright VR / AR future!
You guys fucking nailed it with this entire interview. Im glad many of my main complaints were addressed and change is coming. This is why we acknowledge problems, so we can solve them. Not ignore them and pretend everything is unicorns and rainbows!
I wasn't sure I wanted to watch a whole hour of this but I couldn't stop watching. Very much looking forward to seeing all this cool tech in real products!
valve is taking notes at the moment...they just done realized they missed the boat and how far behind they are right now XD ''20K nits...60 pixels per degree of field of view ARE THEY NUTS!!''
That's laff your ass off funny. It's so true - MZ is spookily robotic with his jerky movement and speech patterns. He reminds me of lieutenant commander Data from federation starfleet cuz he's trying so hard to appear human.
This level of access and the work itself of course is insane. Meta is undoubtley pushing VR & AR forward. I’m going to watch this multiple times to digest all the details.
@@gabrielsatter no, it is unironic. Zuckerberg ("they trust me, those stupid f***s") wants you to buy your kid an oculus so he can program your kid into thinking whatever his hivemind wants. They will get away with it too, just like Ron Jeremy did with pornography to little girls for years before he was caught
Frankly, this is one of the most interesting things I’ve seen on virtual reality for a too long time 😃 Thanks to META for sharing their research to people🙏 Quest is great but i still use the CV1 for it's high contrast oled panels. As said, resolution is not all and i hope HDR will be a game changer for VR. We'll see that with the next SONY HMD 🤩
Quest Pro will have MiniLED LCD's, so most of the advantages of OLED (though obviously not perfect blacks down to literally the single individual pixel level, but to however big the full array local dimming zones are) but with none of the GARBAGE ass negative effects of 2x subpixels per pixel PenTile or risk of burn-in/panel degradation.
Love to see some of these hardware innovations up close! Fingers crossed that we get this tech into consumer headsets over the coming years! Fantastic work.
This is awesome stuff! I think Meta is going places with this. Ignore people making fun of the "metaverse", let the tech develop and we'll see where we are by 2030.
This was a great look into what the future holds for VR display tech, unless some really new unpredictable technology pops up. But this is DARPA’s method, how to not be surprised by future tech, by developing it now. You are planning the future in your labs. Well done to all involved.
It's nice to see Mark come to life again by having something new to work on that he's really passionate about instead of having to deal with all that political and advertising crap.
This is like 5 Abrash segments from Connects crammed into one, and something we missed for so long, thanks for doing this, and thanks for Meta to let us get a glimpse into the process
Skipped ahead to the work done on differing focus levels- The level of precision on that is stunning! Every time I think technology can't keep improving at this breakneck pace forever it manages to amaze me
seeing them still using old rift headsets (modified) and controllers made me really happy to know they havent just completely abandoned it all together. Gives me hope there may one day be another wired desktop only headset from them
Thanks for this! this technology is all ever dreamed of when thinking about the future as a kid. Honestly, the way they are going so deep into all of it makes me respect Meta and the Zuck much more now. They are really pushing all the industry for everyone else at this point. Mad respect for all of that, and for showing some of it too!
If you haven’t seen Tilt Five yet I recommend giving that a look too. A great AR concept already shipping that has a very different technology and the CEO is another genius with a great vision. If you see any interviews of her she’s genuinely just so passionate about it and knowledgeable.
Its great to see how passionate these engineers are. I feel like they haven't seen daylight or people for a few years :D But you can really tell how happy they are to discuss what they've been working on. Great to see.
Thank you so much for making this incredible video Tested! Great job to the whole team. This was extremely informative and it was cool to see Norm managing a great interview with Mark.
I've never even considered the possibility of technology like the Pancharatnam-Berry phase lenses. That is absolutely mind blowing. Edit: I love seeing the passion that all of these people have for their work. I thought this was going to be a one hour ad for Meta but this was a really fascinating look into pushing the limits of VR tech.
Great video thanks... Meta certainly seem to be taking it very seriously, thankfully, and it's very interesting/wise how they are breaking out each 'problem' into its own unconstrained area of research to find solutions that will, hopefully, one day converge into something super close to the VR 'Ideal' (at least visually and ergonomics wise). Of course, we still have to solve transportation/movement (decoupling from reality seems the only way - vs roomscale etc - with some kinda exoskeleton that allows you to run, jump etc... freedom and safety of movement + the visual side perfected would be VR nirvana).
VR HMDs right now remind me of the old bagged mobile phones of the early 90s compared to mobiles today. The future of this is literally going to change the way we interface with computers and reality itself.
Mark’s stuttering is so comforting. As an entrepreneur I’m always trying to better my ability to speak and condense complex ideas into a few simple words I often feel insecure when I stutter it’s like “if I can’t explain clearly no one will ever take me seriously” but maybe that’s not true
The rest of the world is presently freaking out about 'meta' corp - but as a Quest2 user, this video is making me a believer in the new VR frontier (minus the orwellian overtones please.) Kudos to Norm!!!
Hold up…has anyone thought of how we could use this tech for essentially one-size-fits-all glasses that dynamically adapt to focal distance? They could provide vision distance enhancements too. This is effectively the way to get Cyberpunk-style headbands.
I definitely thought that with the digitally shifting lenses. sounds like they're not even that uncommon, just not often seen because they're inside cameras?
@@HeadsetHistorian Varjo has a few HMDs that solve the need for varifocal lenses with software already, same as vive pro eye and other eye-tracking based systems trying to understand foveated rendering and other optical improvements to VR. None of which are good enough, same with Facebook's concepts, but are a step in the right direction.
@@evolicious So there are none currently. Eye tracking is just 1 part of varifocal, the aero and vive pro eye absolutely do not have varifocal. None of Varjo's headsets deal with varifocal using software. It needs to happen within the optics. The irony of you telling someone to 'try to keep up'.
21:16 As someone who is becoming more and more farsighted over time, I want to know if some of this technology could be used for auto-focusing glasses.
I agree, that was my first thought as well. Many of us have two sets of glasses for everyday and then reading. This thing might allow for one pair of glasses that do both?
@@Mocorn Varifocals do that already. I am currently wearing a pair but would love not to have to wear my specs in VR if it could correct eyesight based on user account.
Maybe he's just really bad at seeming natural when reading from a script? Or the lizard people might just be taking acting lessons. I'd vote for the second.
this is amazing on next level. as a valve index enjoyer, I really do love the fact that Meta is taking this VR industry dead serious and the fact that Sony is making big pushes for VR via PSVR 2. dude, I always said since day 1 that this is the future of gaming
This stuff is mind-blowing. Say what you want about Mark and Meta/FB, they put together a heck of an engineering team that is developing technologies which will impact all of us very soon
Great video Norm, very nice interview and the tech preview is just fascinating, a lot of research is going into that. The approach of splitting challenges apart (screen resolution / distortion corrections / brightness) is interesting: first discover per subject what is best achievable, then try to integrate with space / weight / power / cooling objectives in mind. Very interesting watch
They are not too bothered by FOV because FOV is not important for work and that's what they are concentrating on. They just don't get that we have choices now. Valve, Pico and Pimax are waiting to take market share if they don't give us the high FOV that we want.
@@dtz1000 Yeah, no... Market share & sales figures say you are full of sh!t and the VR consumers don't give a shit about FOV (after ≈90-100°) compared to other, MUCH more important factors. 🤷♂️ They care about price and accessibility. Also, does reality look any less real when you're wearing a pair of ski or motorcycle goggles? No, of course not. But it definitely DOES when it looks pixelated! Until we hit a certain resolution threshold that we're not quite to yet, going super wide FOV just doesn't make sense.
I like Meta more after this peek in the kitchen. This enthusiasm is so genuine. And they invest so much in my favorite tech. This is the future for sure, all other displays will perish eventually.
As a VR enthusiast, knowing that a major company like Meta is dumping some serious time, money, and research into one of my favorite hobbies is exciting. Glad to know it has a serious future.
Excellent video btw, I am happy with what Meta is doing tbh, keep it up! FOV needs to be increased a LOT btw..... excited about future of possible big increases in luminance!
This has completely changed my perspective of Mark Zuckerberg. After seeing him talk about VR which is one of my passions I actually have discovered a serious level of respect for the man. Just goes to show you how trashy social media is and how it can smear one’s reputation although the billions of dollars harvested from those platforms is it least going into a decent place now
My issue is that I just can't understand the idea of VR making anyone more socially connected. It is an absolutely disconnecting experience, wherein you shut out all other noises and sights and may accidentally punch your dog if you're not careful. Everyone of his innovations seems to focus around the idea of long term, or even permanent use of VR for daily life, interacting with people via avatar instead of in person. This still just feels like an evil plot, to me I mean I love VR, but I would never suggest that you should have to work in it. Even if there were no issues with comfort, can you imagine sitting in an office with 100 other people, all mindlessly staring around with their headsets on, while you try to get someone to help you with something... And even if you work at home, are you really going to sit there for 4-8 hours with a headset on, unable to see your kid quietly poking a fork into a power plug, or your dog who snuck into your chocolate stash, or whatever else might be going on? I was happy with the original Oculus Rift, even, if it weren't for being blind to the world. Until that's solved (and it becomes AR instead of VR), I think he's in a losing battle. I mean, if you have a VR headset... do you use it as a desktop? Why not? The software's there
@@nolandderlugner1351 also selling data and performing nonconsensual mass psychological experiments. I forgive him though because he's funding VR tech.
I was watching this on and off, so it took me a while to get through it. Exciting stuff. I have to say, Mark's enthusiasm on stage and in commercials just sort of felt fake to me, but seeing him talk about it more naturally makes me realize that he really is interested in VR.
I was hoping someone else would take inspiration from the Quest 2 (like Valve, HTC and such) to deliver better products since I don't trust or want Facebook to be the owner of this but at this point I'm pretty sure no one has pushed the frontier of VR as they did and are still doing Might as well cheer them while they continue to give us great products! ...let's only hope they don't "leak" any more user information from this point on...
Wow. What a cool look behind the scenes. Some amazing work by these engineers. So cool to see this type of heavy R&D is STILL happening in this country.
MOST AMAZING, THOUGHT PROVOKING FORRAY INTO TRUE "ENLIGHTENMENT" haha. Bravo and thank you so much for sharing magical content. Each presenter deserves a congratulations for their technical prowess, but also for being able to describe so beautifully their specifics for the rest of us to be able to follow along and get excited! This was like the first day of labs in chemistry or physics as a kid. Great job!
FANTASTIC VIDEO!!! And really it is amazing to see how much they developed and whats to expect for the future of VR, and I tell you what, this future looks soooo Bright!!!! Like 20nits bright haha
Damn, minimum 5 or 6 years for varifocal headsets. I'll be 40-41 by then and my eyes won't even be physically able to appreciate it by then. As you age, the lenses in your eyes solidify and you lose the ability to focus on things close up. If you've ever seen an older person trying to read fine print on a small object and they have to hold it far out at full arm's reach, that's why. They can't focus any closer than that. Current gen VR headsets ironically are better for these people as their eyes are effectively always focused further out, which matches with the fixed focal plane of these current gen headsets. At least the younger generations will get to appreciate the advanced tech in the future.
@@ShishakliAus yeah I know but it's more the shitty reality that we all get old and deteriorate in ways that result in a much worse quality of life, technology barring.
I'm late to the party but, I must say, Norm was the best person to be invited to talk about the future of VR. The engineers were already fans and seemed really excited to show him what they are working on. Great content as always!
It’s definitely a good move to work on focusing lenses, I think that’s the first thing I wanted after trying the quest 2. It just stands out to anyone who’s tried photography.
15:47 well we know they are hiring the right people. This guy couldn’t be a bigger nerd or more happy and excited about this project. Which is me and is exactly who I want making my VR hardware.
I worked in real estate in we did VR tours on preconstruction condos. And it helped sales by a lot. That was my first interaction with VR and I can only imagine it getting better.
The tech I think is progressing nicely and steady, give it another 10 years and we will find it difficult to tell the difference between reality and virtual, the fact it's profitable means it will advance at last... the worry is if one or a small few companies monopolises the tech/software... open source should always be an option.
Love or hate Meta, they are pushing the tech of VR to new limits. Exciting to see all this work being done on improving user experience. I look forward to seeing what they produce with all this research.
bravo on a non-hype, non-marketing, non-sales pitch vision of VR... instead speaking to the actual engineers, in their actual studios, who are solving wicked complicated problems. The sincerity that each of them have in trying their best to help explain what they're trying to solve was incredibly endearing. Also, somehow Mark is for the first time ever, relatable and watchable. Amazed by this segment. Well done Norm.
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7680x7680 per eye
Also developers that care about performance and not just make it look cool and hope the person buying can play
The displays should be done as best as they can from the get go and have it as a module so you can upgrade the processor or the housing or what ever it may be
People are more likely to buy improved parts rather than a whole new headset
If dell can do 2 DP inputs without issues then driving 7680x7680 per eye would not be an issue with 2x dp 2.0 ohh and at 120hz minimum
Field of view and skin-ability. Good passthrough. Good grips on controllers. Rift S only ticks the first. Fast setup. Button to take and share VR photo in SBS stereo mode. Support to (pop-out) SBS photo sharing anywhere.
A FOV that hides the edges of the lens, and HDR
@@EinkOLED firstone cant be done even if the lenses where too large for the image being displayed there is still an edge to it (just turn your head)
Second one being HDR…
Personally HDR sucks the range of blacks and range of whites gets messed with and shrunk and it destroys the enjoyment
Lets say you have 1,000,000 blacks that fade closer and closer to grey… go HDR you just slaughter it to 100,000 best case and even less in most cases
More backlight zones is superior to HDR in ever single way so its better to ask for 50,000 backlights per eye than HDR that most will turn off immediately
I want it to have no connection with Meta/Facebook whatsoever.
Great interview. This is how Meta should always present their stuff, not the fake and scripted stuff they have done recently. Looking forward to see more in the future.
They both have their place, you need the scripted presentations to draw in the investors and talent/employees otherwise you don’t get to this level of progression.
@@Alex_Logan22 Sure, I was reffering to the stiff/fake feeling style from previous presentations. You can still have something that is scripted and aim to make it feel more natural like this conversation.
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Well, that's just Mark's presentation skills, I doubt he's ever gonna give up that spotlight. Better off just memeing about it for fun than taking it so seriously like so many do, I never questioned the honesty behind the scripted words. Almost every gaming company goes through the same struggles/jokes anyway.
@@Alex_Logan22 This was his best performance so far and you can see that on the comments (a lot better than the usual). The producers for the Meta events should take note of that and take advantage of where he performs the best.
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I would just tell them (all presenters not just Mark) to stop reading with a salesman/pretentious tone of voice. Just read the script naturally even if it sounds more boring that way.
Norm, from a long time fan, I just wanted to say that you are THE guy for this kind of video. Part journalist, part engineer, part historian, part maker. You kept up with all the technical details, were familiar with all the relevant technologies, and knew why and how things got to the point they are at today (and will get to in the future!). Great work!
I felt that Mark got more real towards the end once he understood that Norm is the real deal. Watched it to the end. Absolutely mind blowing.
Agreed, Norm never asks any silly questions or gets in the way of the interviews. A very smooth facilitator.
I love how he lets them talk and doesn't interrupt them when he knows what they're trying to say!
You could also see the respect the they had for Norm, as well as a little fan gushing towards him : )
That's why we love him! :D Long time Norm fan here too.
This was such a fascinating insight into the development of display technologies at Meta. The future of this tech is so exciting. Great job by Norm and the Tested team []-)
Love your channel Mike - this might be a tad weird, but I feel like this is as close to you as I'm going to get. Being the 4th person to like a comment you left on another video! :D Seen all your videos, love your channel, it's my break from work!
@@ruanrichter thanks so much mate! I appreciate the message! Hope you have a good one []-)
That is such good news and such a blessing to have a huge money and innovation machine like Meta backing and pushing VR like they do.
@@VirtualRealityOasis You replying actually made my day :D Just wasn't expecting it. Anyway, I appreciate the channel man, hope you have a good one too.
Have you checked out #SadlyItsBradley ?
It's fascinating how with every iteration Mark looks more and more realistic
This made me lol! 😄
Pure visuals. The sentences it generates are still far from passing the Turing test.
He's not even close to baseline.
They need to fix the "ahm" glitch. It happened about an average 6 times a minute while it was speaking.
@@huskybeaver6051 interesting observation, I have also seen it in other public figures. Is there something Meta isn't telling us?
As a VR developer, this is very interesting to me. I'm glad someone does actual engineering instead of just cranking up the resolution and calling it a better headset. I'm so excited for the future!
Game developer here as well! I got the Quest 2 last month and the first thing I noticed, was the fixed focus distance, reading stuff. Having the ability to change it it's incredible, but also incredible is how Meta is thinking on the devs part by not requiring input from the game to change this distance. It's so aliviating knowing that we don't need to think about it.
I also hope they deliver an SDK to this system because we could enforce the player's focus and that can greatly improve the player's experience! It's pretty neat indeed
It's funny how sansor looks so much better but no people are in it. Even the avatar you create is more realistic but again no one is on there.
I have a hard time believing the answer for clarity and realism is motorized. Maybe to offer a larger field of view, but for making focal adjustments? I am doubting.
Resolution is very important though
@@Mike-kt4qh Yea. but like they said in the video, you don't need the high resolution to be everywhere, just where you're looking with the eye tracking. So resolution on the small part of your vision you're using is important. Adding the eye tracking and other software is gonna help much more than just pumping the resolution up on the entire screen
What an amazing look at what might be coming in future VR headsets!! Thank you, Tested for this in-depth coverage
How does this comment only have 256 likes!?
This video humanizes Mark so much. He is not charismatic and he is a supernaturally bad actor, but watching him talk naturally about something he's obviously passionate about reminds me he's just a guy. Dude would do himself a lot of favors in the PR department if he'd do this more often and stop acting in commercials.
Also, that flat polarizer lens is something I'm really glad we got to see. It looks like hot garbage and often times companies refuse to show things that are less than perfect, but that's not always the right approach. Thanks for letting us see it, Meta. Super cool WIP.
i am actually shocked to see how invested into this he personally is and how much he knows about the actual tech and everything... i mean it's not his job to know about anti-aliasing and reprojection and eveyrhting he is the CEO of the world's biggest company pretty much that's crazy to me that i'm now convinced he personally test some of that stuff and acvtually helps with hands on and stuff,...
If Mark is interested in vr is because of datamining! Not the love of vr. Facebook was dying. They need new fresh souls so a datacollector in the form of a gaming console get the kids in the bubble bahahaha. Facebook who wants to give the world a present bahahaha. And they next generation is falling for it. Please give them the real news of facebook. Privacy lawsuit after privacy lawsuit. In Germany it's even forbidden to sell the quest2. And they have a hystory with leaders who use propaganda too fool the people. Bahahaha
His personality matrix is improving rapidly
@@michelverheijen6643 you're sick Michel, go get checked.
W.r.t. your point on Mark's persona:
There are significant differences between the audience watching this video versus the rather broad audience of the consumer market versus the many other audiences he speaks to. Perception aside, Mark is CEO of one of the most profitable companies in the world and both the teams involved and himself must very carefully understand and appeal to the target audience.
Think about the target audience here and its demographic composition, which include you and I. Then, watch this video with intent to introspect and analyze what specifically appeals to you. You'll notice even very subtle, innocuous things may be intentional or manufactured for the sake of appeal, driving the overall sales pitch. What is actually manufactured may be his entire persona or just a more aligned adjustment of his natural personality. Nobody will ever know, albeit care.
Regardless, this is not an attempt to instill paranoia. Rather, just a reminder to remain vigilant about what influences your decisions of what types of products or ideas you find attractive, where you're acquiring them from, and their costs. Like many other indoctrinated and heavily integrated things in our society, consumerism is yet another and shares more attributes than just being immeasurably lucrative. The most important being the fact that you're able to make your own such decisions about these things. Don't drink the cool aid. :)
Cheers!
Could you add time stamps? This is a pretty massive video and, tbh, I'd love to be able to see what each section was talking about, so I could watch this bits at a time.
It's great to see an in depth look behind the scenes of how these latest technologies are being worked on and what they might look like in the future!
Why Meta is revealing all their future products and research?
YESSS ITS MA BOI MYSTICLE, love your content man.
Absolutely best stuff I've seen for VR in a long time
The Mysticle, China getting into the VR Market here is the link ruclips.net/video/N8EQAYDjDxI/видео.html this is why I keep telling People and Gamer's that I'm glad Mark Zuckerberg is investing in META because this is the future and we should support Mark Zuckerberg and META because China is all in for The VR Market.
Advancements in recording your voice and movements
Excellent interview. Would love to see this format return every year (or every other year) to provide updates and insights. I love how in depth and thorough the entire video was. This is the level of information I was wishing I could get yearly from Oculus Connect (aka, Facebook Connect, aka Meta Connect).
I agree, great format from Tested.
It's nice to see Mark comfortable, speaking naturally about a topic he's interested in.
The topic collecting private data from the users. He and his shareholders are very interested in it yeah bahahaha facebook stinks! You can change your name but not your tricks. Who still knows the world before facebook, before online racism before morons with low iq with their opinion (just go back to school) house wives who post every diner and icecream to make their girlfriends jealous. Even a moron of a president get elected with the social media addiction from people. No social media concerns go into history as strewing mankind. Every single hour you spend on facebook checking your exes is wasted time you better could have spend by reading a good book or real news and not bubble information the algoritm serves you. Mankind is becoming stupid with this company. All they want is ads of products you have to buy to give you a better life bahahaha. Sick world!
He actually almost passed the Turing test
if this was all he focused on, sure! then i'd welcome it. but while he enabled autocracies and genocides around the globe, presenting him as some innocent tech geek is then further enabling him to remain as the head of this company that does a lot of harm.
@@breakbreakbreakbreakbreak I know and it pisses me off. On one hand, I absolutely despise Meta for the damage they've helped facilitate by bringing a platform that allows for the spread of misinformation. That's the current damage. For the future, I can definitely see myself living in a dystopic ready player one-esque scenario with Meta being your real life equivalent of the cartoonishly evil bad guys. On the other hand? The advancement that Meta brings by providing both a consumer friendly headset with a very friendly price and the research they're doing with VR and AR that, for most other companies it's an afterthought. For Meta? It seems to be their betting horse for the foreseeable future.
@@hervymarquezgarcia1079 one thing to keep in mind is that while it seems like facebook is advancing the technology and has a value to play... is that really the case? they've monopolized a lot of the talent, many who probably would be eager to be hired by Oculus had they remained independent, or at least just reliant on a few investors. facebook spends millions each year on things like avatar development and what do they have to show for it? even if they're speeding up the development of cheaper all-in-one gear by a few years, i don't think it's worth allowing them to become future gatekeepers. although thankfully they absolutely suck at building their own vr social platforms, they've tried five or six times already and that fools errand has kept them from buying up their more talented competition, that might grow too big and expensive for even them to snap up once they finally realize Horizon is doomed to fail. at least that's the hope. as for the hardware, i still recommend it to friends since i want to get them into vr and but hopefully valve and apple and others will then provide better gear without a large increase in cost, once people have gotten a taste.
Norm is best in class for VR coverage, I've said that many times. But it's so endearing seeing how genuinely excited Doug, from Reality Labs Research, was to show Norm what they've worked on knowing that he'd understand and appreciate those finer details. He's all smiles the whole time. I love it.
That guy was passionate as hell, love it
Wow! Hit the jackpot with this one. I never imagined Meta would let you see all these awesome prototypes! Thanks Mark.
Nice seeing Mark talking when he's not staged and canned. Much more engaging.
Yeah he seems like a tunnel focused tech bro CEO who just seems to want to propell mass-market metaverse tech forward.
I definitely think his company is lagging in moderator & ecosystem ethics but otherwise this is fascinating stuff!
Like it or not i see Zuckerberg as our hope to have virtual reality in our lifetime,he's the one betting it all
Extremely interesting and informative video! Great work Norm! I like the format mixing the interview and the hands on scenes for each tech feature. You can feel the passion of the lab team and Mark for the VR tech they developed. I am surprised but thankful for Meta to have open their doors for this fantastic Tested video!
I have so much respect now for what Mark and his team are doing. After feeling like it's been in the shadows for so long this stuff is simply groundbreaking and their level of focus is actually awe inspiring. Thank you so much for this presentation!
Amazing video Norm, I feel while Adam Savage's Tested channel is incredible, Projections or VR that you showcase really deserves its own Tested channel - I do find your videos sometimes hard to find. This is terrific work, I loved the interview and demos, a huge thanks to Mark and the team at Reality Labs Research.
I remember when the channel was just called "Tested" and it was much better!
See, a guy like this can’t help be naturally divisive. Don’t work with a guy like David Jones.
This was such a cool video! I'm shocked how willing they were to share their development. It was soooo cool to see!
It makes you wonder how far past these stages they really are. I'm sure they have a lot of stuff that they need to keep under wraps to stay ahead of the competition.
I'm also very impressed how knowledgable Mark is in this topic now as well!
Thanks Norm for this behind the scenes look. It was very informative and it really brings a lot of excitement for the future of VR.
Makes me wonder if
a) This is "Old" tech and they are a lot further ahead
or
b) They are other people out there who might be able to help or have solved some of the problems they are struggling with and help speed up bringing this to market.
@@stephenbull2026 might be for recruiting purposes. Get engineers interested in the problems so they want to go work for meta and solve these problems.
I do think it’s a good sign for a company to be somewhat transparent because it shows they are rapidly iterating. If someone tried to copy this stuff, they will be skating to where the puck was, not where it’s going. It’s generally companies who are no longer innovating that are trying super hard to protect existing tech because they are not generating new and better tech.
Hearing Zuckerberg talk about a Turing test is ironic.
LOL!!!!
Also hearing that he is gathering all of our data after calling us "stupid f****" for giving our data is ironic...
Always amazed by Norm's depth of knowledge in all the topics he covers on. Makes the content more engaging and interesting to watch. Appreciated Norm!
@48:09 The smile the engineer gets when the tester says WOW while using their prototype - that's what it's about.
I wish more companies would do this, bringing us into the R&D process. I bet problems can be solved faster this way.
Actually coming round to the idea that Zuckerberg isn't the Achilles heel for VR that the die hards have made out to be.
It's clear to see his genuine passion for the technology coming through.
Will that be enough to protect it though? I also think he genuinely believe that Facebook can be a positive force in the world, but as long as the way they monetise is data collection and advertising, it will always come out net negative. I think their heavy investment into R&D and VR games is exactly what is needed for VR to progress right now. I'm just hoping they either fundamentally change the way they make money, or that they lose to a competitor when it comes to the crunch.
Anything that forwards the tech. Id just be scared of being advertised and spied on on content I pay for. We can only hope that's not case.
lol, lmfao
@@gavin-1237 Great input Gav 🥴
@@1337pianoman Maybe all that ad money is going into this lol
Damn norm. I'm not crazy about mark Zuckerberg but its a huge accomishment in itself to get an exclusive longform interview with him. Awesome work. I'll watch the video now
Now that you’ve watched the vid, do you feel a bit better about Zuck? I thought it was great to see how passionate he is about AR/VR.
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I don’t why people were surprised by that just because he comes off funny in scripted presentations. One does not invest so many billions and the future of their company into something they’re not passionate about, that’s just common sense.
@@fretfingers maybe just slightly. Knowing that he openly denies claims of selling customer data, dodging questions in courts, pushes huge agenda and, censorship on his platform, and wants to own all virtual realistate in the future makes me not able to really relate to him
Meanwhile other commenters don't like him because he doesn't censor enough so it's encouraging genocides, scapegoating and false narratives around the globe. Almost like there's no winning if you own the largest social media platform! Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
And fyi no big tech company sells your data. Your data is what makes them profitable, publishing your data would kill their business. They sell advertisements with more accurate targeting, thanks to their ad sense profiles.
Impressive to see Mark as the co-CEO of Meta knowing so much on all the VR details. Well done to Mark and Norm for the interview. Changing the company name to Meta and all the knowledge, dedication, and commitment Mark seams to have on VR / AR really improved my confidence on a bright VR / AR future!
Well obviously they made a script and downloaded it into Marks code.
@@dmsticabuse2731 😄
You guys fucking nailed it with this entire interview. Im glad many of my main complaints were addressed and change is coming. This is why we acknowledge problems, so we can solve them. Not ignore them and pretend everything is unicorns and rainbows!
I wasn't sure I wanted to watch a whole hour of this but I couldn't stop watching. Very much looking forward to seeing all this cool tech in real products!
More like this please, this is incredibly insightful and informative. I'd like to see the Tested team get a look into Valve's headset development too!
Yes this would be awesome!
valve is taking notes at the moment...they just done realized they missed the boat and how far behind they are right now XD
''20K nits...60 pixels per degree of field of view ARE THEY NUTS!!''
That would be cool, but I doubt they’d let anyone see anything they’re working on. You never know.
wow Tested has really gone all out and had their first interview with a Cyborg!!! Fascinating :)
That's laff your ass off funny. It's so true - MZ is spookily robotic with his jerky movement and speech patterns. He reminds me of lieutenant commander Data from federation starfleet cuz he's trying so hard to appear human.
1:02:52, proof, he says 'yeh' and doenst open his mouth..
Pinnacle of VR journalism! Thank you so much for doing this, Norm. Thankfully you stayed truthful to VR over all of this years! 🙏
This level of access and the work itself of course is insane. Meta is undoubtley pushing VR & AR forward. I’m going to watch this multiple times to digest all the details.
@@gabrielsatter no, it is unironic. Zuckerberg ("they trust me, those stupid f***s") wants you to buy your kid an oculus so he can program your kid into thinking whatever his hivemind wants. They will get away with it too, just like Ron Jeremy did with pornography to little girls for years before he was caught
Frankly, this is one of the most interesting things I’ve seen on virtual reality for a too long time 😃
Thanks to META for sharing their research to people🙏
Quest is great but i still use the CV1 for it's high contrast oled panels.
As said, resolution is not all and i hope HDR will be a game changer for VR. We'll see that with the next SONY HMD 🤩
Quest Pro will have MiniLED LCD's, so most of the advantages of OLED (though obviously not perfect blacks down to literally the single individual pixel level, but to however big the full array local dimming zones are) but with none of the GARBAGE ass negative effects of 2x subpixels per pixel PenTile or risk of burn-in/panel degradation.
Love to see some of these hardware innovations up close! Fingers crossed that we get this tech into consumer headsets over the coming years! Fantastic work.
This is awesome stuff! I think Meta is going places with this. Ignore people making fun of the "metaverse", let the tech develop and we'll see where we are by 2030.
this
This was a great look into what the future holds for VR display tech, unless some really new unpredictable technology pops up. But this is DARPA’s method, how to not be surprised by future tech, by developing it now. You are planning the future in your labs. Well done to all involved.
It's nice to see Mark come to life again by having something new to work on that he's really passionate about instead of having to deal with all that political and advertising crap.
This is like 5 Abrash segments from Connects crammed into one, and something we missed for so long, thanks for doing this, and thanks for Meta to let us get a glimpse into the process
Skipped ahead to the work done on differing focus levels- The level of precision on that is stunning! Every time I think technology can't keep improving at this breakneck pace forever it manages to amaze me
seeing them still using old rift headsets (modified) and controllers made me really happy to know they havent just completely abandoned it all together. Gives me hope there may one day be another wired desktop only headset from them
Thanks for this! this technology is all ever dreamed of when thinking about the future as a kid. Honestly, the way they are going so deep into all of it makes me respect Meta and the Zuck much more now. They are really pushing all the industry for everyone else at this point. Mad respect for all of that, and for showing some of it too!
Wow, just wow. Thank Tested and Meta for this incredibly informative video, great to see how bright the future of VR/AR tech is!
You mean the future of VR Mind Control
If you haven’t seen Tilt Five yet I recommend giving that a look too. A great AR concept already shipping that has a very different technology and the CEO is another genius with a great vision. If you see any interviews of her she’s genuinely just so passionate about it and knowledgeable.
@@dynamicide AR & VR are merging into XR.
Its great to see how passionate these engineers are. I feel like they haven't seen daylight or people for a few years :D But you can really tell how happy they are to discuss what they've been working on. Great to see.
Thank you so much for making this incredible video Tested! Great job to the whole team. This was extremely informative and it was cool to see Norm managing a great interview with Mark.
These VR avatars are getting so good, zuck almost looks like a real boy
I've never even considered the possibility of technology like the Pancharatnam-Berry phase lenses. That is absolutely mind blowing.
Edit: I love seeing the passion that all of these people have for their work. I thought this was going to be a one hour ad for Meta but this was a really fascinating look into pushing the limits of VR tech.
Single best interview/documentary on VR to date! Thanks Norman
It was you guys that got me excited for VR back when DK1 was the latest technology and sold me on the Vive.
Thanks for all you do.
Great video thanks... Meta certainly seem to be taking it very seriously, thankfully, and it's very interesting/wise how they are breaking out each 'problem' into its own unconstrained area of research to find solutions that will, hopefully, one day converge into something super close to the VR 'Ideal' (at least visually and ergonomics wise). Of course, we still have to solve transportation/movement (decoupling from reality seems the only way - vs roomscale etc - with some kinda exoskeleton that allows you to run, jump etc... freedom and safety of movement + the visual side perfected would be VR nirvana).
It’s great to see Mark talking about the products he is developing like a real human being. No smoke and mirrors.
VR HMDs right now remind me of the old bagged mobile phones of the early 90s compared to mobiles today. The future of this is literally going to change the way we interface with computers and reality itself.
Mark’s stuttering is so comforting. As an entrepreneur I’m always trying to better my ability to speak and condense complex ideas into a few simple words I often feel insecure when I stutter it’s like “if I can’t explain clearly no one will ever take me seriously” but maybe that’s not true
This was an awesome video. I hope we can get more tech-focused content like this similar to the older days of Tested.
Damn this is super exciting, very cool to see all the different directions they're trying to improve in.
The rest of the world is presently freaking out about 'meta' corp - but as a Quest2 user, this video is making me a believer in the new VR frontier (minus the orwellian overtones please.) Kudos to Norm!!!
This is next level content. Amazing work Norm!! So much interesting and exciting tech coming up.
Hold up…has anyone thought of how we could use this tech for essentially one-size-fits-all glasses that dynamically adapt to focal distance? They could provide vision distance enhancements too. This is effectively the way to get Cyberpunk-style headbands.
I definitely thought that with the digitally shifting lenses. sounds like they're not even that uncommon, just not often seen because they're inside cameras?
There are consumer VR systems that already integrate that technology. Try to keep up.
@@evolicious Such as?
@@HeadsetHistorian Varjo has a few HMDs that solve the need for varifocal lenses with software already, same as vive pro eye and other eye-tracking based systems trying to understand foveated rendering and other optical improvements to VR. None of which are good enough, same with Facebook's concepts, but are a step in the right direction.
@@evolicious So there are none currently. Eye tracking is just 1 part of varifocal, the aero and vive pro eye absolutely do not have varifocal.
None of Varjo's headsets deal with varifocal using software. It needs to happen within the optics. The irony of you telling someone to 'try to keep up'.
21:16 As someone who is becoming more and more farsighted over time, I want to know if some of this technology could be used for auto-focusing glasses.
I could see some ar style glasses made with these to help near or far sighted people be able to see in their respective problems.
I agree, that was my first thought as well. Many of us have two sets of glasses for everyday and then reading. This thing might allow for one pair of glasses that do both?
@@Mocorn or u get the ones where the upper part of the lense is for looking far and underneath a section to read books with :P
@@Mocorn Varifocals do that already. I am currently wearing a pair but would love not to have to wear my specs in VR if it could correct eyesight based on user account.
Yes.
First time having a lizard on how exciting
This is the most natural and least awkward Mark has been. I wish he was more candid like this in all the videos he’s in.
Maybe he's just really bad at seeming natural when reading from a script? Or the lizard people might just be taking acting lessons.
I'd vote for the second.
@@darksunrise957 lizard people.. yeah, you definetly reached your own peak of comedy
@@JorgTheElder wtf?
this is amazing on next level. as a valve index enjoyer, I really do love the fact that Meta is taking this VR industry dead serious and the fact that Sony is making big pushes for VR via PSVR 2. dude, I always said since day 1 that this is the future of gaming
Congrats Norm! What an incredible opportunity. You earned it!
This stuff is mind-blowing. Say what you want about Mark and Meta/FB, they put together a heck of an engineering team that is developing technologies which will impact all of us very soon
Great to see the engineers who make all this magic happen behind the scenes, be front and centre on this video. We need more videos like this.
Take a sip of your beverage every time you hear visual Turing test
the most informative video i have watched in a long time. I have just started with VR headsets, to complement the 6k 360 footage im now producing
Great video Norm, very nice interview and the tech preview is just fascinating, a lot of research is going into that. The approach of splitting challenges apart (screen resolution / distortion corrections / brightness) is interesting: first discover per subject what is best achievable, then try to integrate with space / weight / power / cooling objectives in mind. Very interesting watch
I like the in-depth long format that the Tested team provides. Thank you!
Great video! I like seeing how progess has been made so far.
Hopefully they keep on working to increase the FOV as well.
FACEBOOK VR is substantially less than Vive was a decade ago. They are lowering the bar to seem impressive to morons.
yea that's my biggest gripe about the quest 2 and port can easily be damaged while in PC mode if you accidentally stand on the cord.
They are not too bothered by FOV because FOV is not important for work and that's what they are concentrating on. They just don't get that we have choices now. Valve, Pico and Pimax are waiting to take market share if they don't give us the high FOV that we want.
@@dtz1000 I'm definitely glad for competition!
@@dtz1000 Yeah, no... Market share & sales figures say you are full of sh!t and the VR consumers don't give a shit about FOV (after ≈90-100°) compared to other, MUCH more important factors. 🤷♂️ They care about price and accessibility.
Also, does reality look any less real when you're wearing a pair of ski or motorcycle goggles? No, of course not. But it definitely DOES when it looks pixelated! Until we hit a certain resolution threshold that we're not quite to yet, going super wide FOV just doesn't make sense.
Fascinating video you've got here. I love the deep dive into the nitty gritty details. Please make more of this as Meta and others allow!
what an absolute joy this was. ive been DYING for VR content and BTS type stuff into the industry, really excellent work everyone
Great work. Had to come back and watch it again. First time I was listening while driving great to see all this and in such depth!
I like Meta more after this peek in the kitchen. This enthusiasm is so genuine. And they invest so much in my favorite tech. This is the future for sure, all other displays will perish eventually.
Fantastic set of interviews and demos. Really great all around, thank you! Exciting times.
As a VR enthusiast, knowing that a major company like Meta is dumping some serious time, money, and research into one of my favorite hobbies is exciting. Glad to know it has a serious future.
We'll see.. Zuck thinks it does..
Excellent video btw, I am happy with what Meta is doing tbh, keep it up! FOV needs to be increased a LOT btw..... excited about future of possible big increases in luminance!
This has completely changed my perspective of Mark Zuckerberg. After seeing him talk about VR which is one of my passions I actually have discovered a serious level of respect for the man. Just goes to show you how trashy social media is and how it can smear one’s reputation although the billions of dollars harvested from those platforms is it least going into a decent place now
Agreed. He's put everything on the line for this. Serious respect.
My issue is that I just can't understand the idea of VR making anyone more socially connected. It is an absolutely disconnecting experience, wherein you shut out all other noises and sights and may accidentally punch your dog if you're not careful. Everyone of his innovations seems to focus around the idea of long term, or even permanent use of VR for daily life, interacting with people via avatar instead of in person. This still just feels like an evil plot, to me
I mean I love VR, but I would never suggest that you should have to work in it. Even if there were no issues with comfort, can you imagine sitting in an office with 100 other people, all mindlessly staring around with their headsets on, while you try to get someone to help you with something...
And even if you work at home, are you really going to sit there for 4-8 hours with a headset on, unable to see your kid quietly poking a fork into a power plug, or your dog who snuck into your chocolate stash, or whatever else might be going on?
I was happy with the original Oculus Rift, even, if it weren't for being blind to the world. Until that's solved (and it becomes AR instead of VR), I think he's in a losing battle. I mean, if you have a VR headset... do you use it as a desktop? Why not? The software's there
I mean, when you think about what he will want to do with full control over the "Metaverse" maybe you might reconsider.
Respect for destroying democracy across the world
@@nolandderlugner1351 also selling data and performing nonconsensual mass psychological experiments. I forgive him though because he's funding VR tech.
I was watching this on and off, so it took me a while to get through it. Exciting stuff.
I have to say, Mark's enthusiasm on stage and in commercials just sort of felt fake to me, but seeing him talk about it more naturally makes me realize that he really is interested in VR.
I was hoping someone else would take inspiration from the Quest 2 (like Valve, HTC and such) to deliver better products since I don't trust or want Facebook to be the owner of this but at this point I'm pretty sure no one has pushed the frontier of VR as they did and are still doing
Might as well cheer them while they continue to give us great products!
...let's only hope they don't "leak" any more user information from this point on...
A good interviewer doesn't overtalk, and listens much, great interviewer, good job. Was fascinating to hear Metas progress.
Awesome content. Feel like I should be wearing a badge on a lanyard.
Wow. What a cool look behind the scenes. Some amazing work by these engineers. So cool to see this type of heavy R&D is STILL happening in this country.
Norm! Great interview..thank you so much.
Always love to see when people who make this stuff are so passionate like the guy explaining all the prototypes.
An hour has never gone by this quickly. I am beyond excited for VR going forward!
MOST AMAZING, THOUGHT PROVOKING FORRAY INTO TRUE "ENLIGHTENMENT" haha. Bravo and thank you so much for sharing magical content. Each presenter deserves a congratulations for their technical prowess, but also for being able to describe so beautifully their specifics for the rest of us to be able to follow along and get excited! This was like the first day of labs in chemistry or physics as a kid. Great job!
FANTASTIC VIDEO!!! And really it is amazing to see how much they developed and whats to expect for the future of VR, and I tell you what, this future looks soooo Bright!!!! Like 20nits bright haha
The moment where they showed the polarizing light lens... just blew my head off. i have been thinking of something like that for years!
Damn, minimum 5 or 6 years for varifocal headsets. I'll be 40-41 by then and my eyes won't even be physically able to appreciate it by then. As you age, the lenses in your eyes solidify and you lose the ability to focus on things close up. If you've ever seen an older person trying to read fine print on a small object and they have to hold it far out at full arm's reach, that's why. They can't focus any closer than that. Current gen VR headsets ironically are better for these people as their eyes are effectively always focused further out, which matches with the fixed focal plane of these current gen headsets. At least the younger generations will get to appreciate the advanced tech in the future.
Of course the autofocus can be set to compensate so that it matches your eyes performance... So 40 year old eyes will see like 20 year old
@@ShishakliAus yeah I know but it's more the shitty reality that we all get old and deteriorate in ways that result in a much worse quality of life, technology barring.
One of the best interviews with Mark I've seen. Great to see Meta giving us a look behind the scenes and what the future will be.
Its so cool you guys got to interview a real working cyborg! crazy
I'm late to the party but, I must say, Norm was the best person to be invited to talk about the future of VR. The engineers were already fans and seemed really excited to show him what they are working on. Great content as always!
It’s definitely a good move to work on focusing lenses, I think that’s the first thing I wanted after trying the quest 2. It just stands out to anyone who’s tried photography.
15:47 well we know they are hiring the right people. This guy couldn’t be a bigger nerd or more happy and excited about this project. Which is me and is exactly who I want making my VR hardware.
wow this was so cool to see how the tech is coming along.
I worked in real estate in we did VR tours on preconstruction condos. And it helped sales by a lot. That was my first interaction with VR and I can only imagine it getting better.
Excellent showcase and interview
The tech I think is progressing nicely and steady, give it another 10 years and we will find it difficult to tell the difference between reality and virtual, the fact it's profitable means it will advance at last... the worry is if one or a small few companies monopolises the tech/software... open source should always be an option.
Love or hate Meta, they are pushing the tech of VR to new limits. Exciting to see all this work being done on improving user experience. I look forward to seeing what they produce with all this research.
lmao this tech is over a decade old
@@foegettergames252 oh wow, that's why nobody have really done it huh
If Varjo glasses were just more cheaper...
bravo on a non-hype, non-marketing, non-sales pitch vision of VR... instead speaking to the actual engineers, in their actual studios, who are solving wicked complicated problems. The sincerity that each of them have in trying their best to help explain what they're trying to solve was incredibly endearing. Also, somehow Mark is for the first time ever, relatable and watchable. Amazed by this segment. Well done Norm.