I think the BIG problem with Koga is that he started below Kengan's level (below dudes like the Medicine Man who was just a fat cheater) and his evolution while properly showed in early Omega with his pretty intense training regime (the pro-wrestler conditioning+MMA with Kureishi+improving his footwork with Ryuki+the sparring with Kokuro+karate with Joji) it was messed up with him being robbed of the Purgatory match and all the timeskip. So even if we know he retained the training intensity and added all those S-Tier and A-Tier mentors for two years we're showed so little that the suspension of disbelief in shattered.
@@GrieverTheLionHeartHe was close to beating Medel in Purgatory even before Berserker Bowl. So I believe his Growth. Nobody says he will beat the Top 4 of both Parties but I guess he will be able to hold his own against anyone who fought in Berserker Bowl, even those he avoided by luck
@@GrieverTheLionHeartThe strongest Kengan Fighter in the old days was Ichinoshin Yamashita, who only died because he wouldnt rest properly out of Loyalty. The Secret of his Strenght were his Eyes. The Niko Style was designed to be ready for any Situation even when you are heavily injured. Now we have Koga, a Martial Arts Prodigy who has a thing for Martial Arts since early Childhood, who possess this mighty kinetic vision and learns an even more progressed Niko Style from 4s strongest Student who is the Connectors Clone. He is greedy and asks for guidance from anyone who is stronger than him so he can beat them in the future. Maybe his training arcs are a bit shortened recently and in comparison to the mangas start, but it still feels organic, since you can imagine that he trained every single Day ofpage, like all Martial Artists do. And he is a fast learner due to his Eyes. Even Ohma said that
What you didn't realise is that even if he isn't in the top 30 strongest he is still top of the underground martial arts because there are many more underground fighting factions than purgatory and kengan. And he was A list purgatory fighter so he is definately on top of underground martial arts like pretty much all of purgatory a list
I was lowkey so irritated two weeks ago when I found out Koga was facing off against this bum. We already knew what was gonna happen, it was just a matter of if Sandro was gonna play his cards right (Spoiler: HE DIDN'T). But whatever, so glad this is out of the way. I just want the plot to move forward now!
The main problem that Koga has is that his training is never fully shown or expanded upon. my biggest appeal of this fight is Koga using moves other than the Niko style very good decisions imo Know this is where powerscaling really needs to come into play so people aren’t concerned about Koga’s growth everyone needs to remember that Yumi is literally a nobody he was an ok bodyguard made fang because Metsudo knew he would do something funny and fuck up stuff and give Metsudo entertainment but he fucked up the wrong stuff and Metsudo sent Misasa the reprimand him People are saying “oh is Koga as strong as misasa because of how bad they both fucked up Yumi” no plain and simple no reasons Misasa played around and when he got serious annihilated Yumi Koga was completely serious and locked in lets put this into perspective Misasa punches Yumi where he Slams his face and Body into the ground even shaking him later when he’s serious ge indented a crater in Yumi’s Face which apparently never healed properly, Koga used multiple iron Breakers in his face… see the damage difference pretty huge All in all i of course believe Koga’s gotten stronger but how stronger is can’t pinpoint it very good right now off the top of my head but i would maybe put him somewhere below guys like Saw, Cosmo, Rihito
My problem with that is we have nearly no indication that was Metsudo's plan all along. Sure the 7th and 4th Fang were weary of him but where other than headcanon was it stated Metsudo did that on purpose to expose him? Even if that was the case and he might be the weakest Fang? This chapter says he is a top dog, in black and white. So regardless what we as readers think, he was stated to not only be as strong as Agito during KAT, IS fighting seriously, fucked up Jose twice, and was said to be a top tier of the verse in this chapter. Our C tier Koga just wrecked this same character's shit with no effort and I do not buy it.
@@GrieverTheLionHeart @ no chapter 77 pg 6-7 literally explains they knew he was a bastard before choosing him they knew he made contact with purgatory, Metsudo says he loves rebellious people and that he knew Yumi was very rebellious so Metsudo was very much hoping something would happen. Narrator statments aren’t unbeatable argument points author statements go with that as well, you take that point and apply the story to it to see if it is cohesive and seeing as how Yumi lost to Misasa and Misasa works in the underground world that statments is very much false and unreliable. You can just say Himuro is an unreliable inverse scaler and or is a bad guage of strength he also saw 1 match, again is just a false statement based on events of the story and feats of characters also chp 81 revealed Yumigahamas Win loss ration its 9 wins 5 losses so very much not a god of the verse btw theres “around” 30 A list gladiators and “around” 200 B list gladiators so Yumi could’ve lost around that range of competitors . Well guess Koga isn’t C tier anymore probably mid highish B also it wasnt no effort Koga was in guard and by Koga’s iwn statment “ if i let up for even a split second its all over” was always on guard. Training with Ryuki had gotten tips from Shen on how to differently use the Fist eyes trust me i dont like that his training isn’t properly shown either but boy has been putting in work not even counting the previous training before hand
@@spadex8155Its also kind of funny to complain about not showing his Training properly, if thats the Case for 90% of the fighters. Nobody complained when Raian wrecked Willem. Nobody complained when Jurota defeated Agito. All our known Fighters in the Real Championship Championship got stronger but we never saw a Panel of their Training and nobodys complaining. So use your head, remember what he already achieved and who he is learning from. It all makes sense then
@@llawliet3733 well people did complain about those scenarios but it wasn’t about they didn’t have X amount of time training it was in Raian case a shit fight for a character that was very much hyped up with SS and 100% Guihun and People just complained about the Jurota fight because Agito lost Im not say everything should be shown but for the “main” character of Kengan Omega it would be better investment for the character if we got to see more of it And personally same with other characters even if its a flash back mid fight explaining how he got this new move and than displaying it in said moment would be cool as hell even the top tiers best example Dragon Vein I would’ve loved to see Kanoh train maybe learning about pressure points from doctor hanafusa after recovering from his Jurota fight. Give me time i can find a lot of shit Omega could’ve done way better but like said reason Koga’s situation is different is because he is the “main” character
See, I partially disagree. I agree that koga jumping up tiers because off screen training is absolutely bs, however we have seen him climb up tiers pretty quickly even when we follow him. My example being the tournament where he fought ryuki. He went from top of D to being mid C tier during that tournament. His growth rate when given something to grow with is honestly impressive. My main issue is that he honestly shouldn’t be reaching these heights as he is. He mimics the various fighters to a lower level, but he has yet to develop a single thing that should let him go above C tier. All he has is knock off versions of abilities from fighters way above him.
@ true, even with shen’s instructions it’s bs. We should see the characters struggle to reach this point, as we basically just have to assume he has been doing some high diff fights just for suspension of disbelief. Also, I suggest you reread kengan ashura’s fight between agito and hatsume, because if I am right this chapter is even worse. What koga is doing is almost exactly how counter initiative was described, and that was considered well below pre initiative at the time. So how the hell is it now a foresight counter?
As a 2 scoops koga fan, id like to say shen "training" him could justify his growth. Even tho shens advice is kind of bullshit, he did at least lightly spar with koga. Like kanoh vs agito round 1 showed kanoh stopping gaolangs punch before gaolang can start the punch, koga was blocking 🐒 's kicks
I was soo confused when they promoted Yumi as Top tier fighter . Even with his performance in Purgatory he is one of the weakest. He could probably beat Falcon and Terashi but the rest of Purgatory is a no 😂 Keep in mind Metsudo picked Yumi for his potential not strength . Koga for me is in the Middle of A . I dont see him beating someone like Hatsumi who i put him as the gatekeeper of A
I understand why u are not happy with kogas growth, because after Chapter 50/Ohmas return it was portrayed really poorly. As a fan I don't mind it that much, because i'm just happy when we get to see him, but if u are someone who neither likes or dislikes him, I get that it's rather bad. It would've been so much better if we had a few Panels earlier in the series where Shen basically teased Kogas new Power up instead of giving it as a Flashback during the fight. This way A. we could prepare us to see something, so it's not random offscreen powerspikes and B. we could do theories about what Shen is going to teach him (Similar to how we saw Kaneda and Ohma before the Kaneda vs. Hatsumi fight) Also I wouldn't rank Koga A yet, but top of B/Gatekeeper to A. We have some serious powerhouses in A and unless I see Koga beating someone in there I'm not putting him there, but I can see him doing some serious Damage in that Tier with this technique. At this Point in the series he technically has all the Tools he Needs to be an S Tier in the future, but he both lacks Stamina and Mastery of his Martial Arts. Once he can maintain his kinetic Vision both offensively and defensively for a very large amount of time and has good mastery over his techniques then we are talking, but not as things stand now. Really enjoyed this Chapter tho, I didn't expect it to turn out this way, but I guess Jackie carried the Show once again
It is only bad because his growth is unnatural and no character in fiction has done this much off screen training (especially a main character) from F to A tier. That is just an unfortunate fact. It would have been better had we focused on Koga's training and not just half a chapter or a random panel here and there, once a year. Which given this chapter is fair? But still ridiculous when you start ranking every character in the verse in a tier list. Try it and you'll see how he is not there or should not be but this fight is telling us he is. I just simply do not buy it and if he truly is? Bad writing and terrible, unrealistic growth.
@@Boombaptreetz I appreciate that mate but it’s unlikely to happen! I just don’t have the luck or that “it” factor it seems! I still appreciate the sentiment.
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Very good points between Koga and lihito. You are right.
@@danibaciu1012 I like to think so!
I think the BIG problem with Koga is that he started below Kengan's level (below dudes like the Medicine Man who was just a fat cheater) and his evolution while properly showed in early Omega with his pretty intense training regime (the pro-wrestler conditioning+MMA with Kureishi+improving his footwork with Ryuki+the sparring with Kokuro+karate with Joji) it was messed up with him being robbed of the Purgatory match and all the timeskip. So even if we know he retained the training intensity and added all those S-Tier and A-Tier mentors for two years we're showed so little that the suspension of disbelief in shattered.
@@nicokrasnow1851 Exactly! I could buy his growth to C-tier or so but this is way too far.
@@GrieverTheLionHeartHe was close to beating Medel in Purgatory even before Berserker Bowl. So I believe his Growth. Nobody says he will beat the Top 4 of both Parties but I guess he will be able to hold his own against anyone who fought in Berserker Bowl, even those he avoided by luck
He's setting us up for something real epic with koga to me he's very suspicious 😎💯
That is a positive outlook to have.
@@GrieverTheLionHeartThe strongest Kengan Fighter in the old days was Ichinoshin Yamashita, who only died because he wouldnt rest properly out of Loyalty. The Secret of his Strenght were his Eyes.
The Niko Style was designed to be ready for any Situation even when you are heavily injured.
Now we have Koga, a Martial Arts Prodigy who has a thing for Martial Arts since early Childhood, who possess this mighty kinetic vision and learns an even more progressed Niko Style from 4s strongest Student who is the Connectors Clone.
He is greedy and asks for guidance from anyone who is stronger than him so he can beat them in the future.
Maybe his training arcs are a bit shortened recently and in comparison to the mangas start, but it still feels organic, since you can imagine that he trained every single Day ofpage, like all Martial Artists do. And he is a fast learner due to his Eyes. Even Ohma said that
Perfectly explained nd Yumighama is basically no 1 gives a damn tier 😂😂
@@Oblivion-h2x That is what I’m saying!
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I guess so?
What you didn't realise is that even if he isn't in the top 30 strongest he is still top of the underground martial arts because there are many more underground fighting factions than purgatory and kengan. And he was A list purgatory fighter so he is definately on top of underground martial arts like pretty much all of purgatory a list
I dunno, I would not call the 41st ranked hockey player, one of the top or best. That's just me.
I was lowkey so irritated two weeks ago when I found out Koga was facing off against this bum. We already knew what was gonna happen, it was just a matter of if Sandro was gonna play his cards right (Spoiler: HE DIDN'T).
But whatever, so glad this is out of the way. I just want the plot to move forward now!
@@Maaaaannnnnnnnn Same feeling!
The main problem that Koga has is that his training is never fully shown or expanded upon. my biggest appeal of this fight is Koga using moves other than the Niko style very good decisions imo
Know this is where powerscaling really needs to come into play so people aren’t concerned about Koga’s growth everyone needs to remember that Yumi is literally a nobody he was an ok bodyguard made fang because Metsudo knew he would do something funny and fuck up stuff and give Metsudo entertainment but he fucked up the wrong stuff and Metsudo sent Misasa the reprimand him
People are saying “oh is Koga as strong as misasa because of how bad they both fucked up Yumi” no plain and simple no reasons Misasa played around and when he got serious annihilated Yumi Koga was completely serious and locked in
lets put this into perspective Misasa punches Yumi where he Slams his face and Body into the ground even shaking him later when he’s serious ge indented a crater in Yumi’s Face which apparently never healed properly, Koga used multiple iron Breakers in his face… see the damage difference pretty huge
All in all i of course believe Koga’s gotten stronger but how stronger is can’t pinpoint it very good right now off the top of my head but i would maybe put him somewhere below guys like Saw, Cosmo, Rihito
My problem with that is we have nearly no indication that was Metsudo's plan all along. Sure the 7th and 4th Fang were weary of him but where other than headcanon was it stated Metsudo did that on purpose to expose him? Even if that was the case and he might be the weakest Fang? This chapter says he is a top dog, in black and white.
So regardless what we as readers think, he was stated to not only be as strong as Agito during KAT, IS fighting seriously, fucked up Jose twice, and was said to be a top tier of the verse in this chapter. Our C tier Koga just wrecked this same character's shit with no effort and I do not buy it.
@@GrieverTheLionHeart @ no chapter 77 pg 6-7 literally explains they knew he was a bastard before choosing him they knew he made contact with purgatory, Metsudo says he loves rebellious people and that he knew Yumi was very rebellious so Metsudo was very much hoping something would happen.
Narrator statments aren’t unbeatable argument points author statements go with that as well, you take that point and apply the story to it to see if it is cohesive and seeing as how Yumi lost to Misasa and Misasa works in the underground world that statments is very much false and unreliable. You can just say Himuro is an unreliable inverse scaler and or is a bad guage of strength he also saw 1 match, again is just a false statement based on events of the story and feats of characters also chp 81 revealed Yumigahamas Win loss ration its 9 wins 5 losses so very much not a god of the verse btw theres “around” 30 A list gladiators and “around” 200 B list gladiators so Yumi could’ve lost around that range of competitors . Well guess Koga isn’t C tier anymore probably mid highish B also it wasnt no effort Koga was in guard and by Koga’s iwn statment “ if i let up for even a split second its all over” was always on guard. Training with Ryuki had gotten tips from Shen on how to differently use the Fist eyes trust me i dont like that his training isn’t properly shown either but boy has been putting in work not even counting the previous training before hand
@@spadex8155Its also kind of funny to complain about not showing his Training properly, if thats the Case for 90% of the fighters.
Nobody complained when Raian wrecked Willem.
Nobody complained when Jurota defeated Agito.
All our known Fighters in the Real Championship Championship got stronger but we never saw a Panel of their Training and nobodys complaining.
So use your head, remember what he already achieved and who he is learning from. It all makes sense then
@@llawliet3733 well people did complain about those scenarios but it wasn’t about they didn’t have X amount of time training it was in Raian case a shit fight for a character that was very much hyped up with SS and 100% Guihun and People just complained about the Jurota fight because Agito lost
Im not say everything should be shown but for the “main” character of Kengan Omega it would be better investment for the character if we got to see more of it
And personally same with other characters even if its a flash back mid fight explaining how he got this new move and than displaying it in said moment would be cool as hell even the top tiers best example Dragon Vein I would’ve loved to see Kanoh train maybe learning about pressure points from doctor hanafusa after recovering from his Jurota fight. Give me time i can find a lot of shit Omega could’ve done way better but like said reason Koga’s situation is different is because he is the “main” character
See, I partially disagree. I agree that koga jumping up tiers because off screen training is absolutely bs, however we have seen him climb up tiers pretty quickly even when we follow him.
My example being the tournament where he fought ryuki. He went from top of D to being mid C tier during that tournament. His growth rate when given something to grow with is honestly impressive.
My main issue is that he honestly shouldn’t be reaching these heights as he is. He mimics the various fighters to a lower level, but he has yet to develop a single thing that should let him go above C tier. All he has is knock off versions of abilities from fighters way above him.
That is a half a tier jump AT BEST. He just jumped from BB C-tier to low A-tier by this chapter. That is insane.
@ true, even with shen’s instructions it’s bs. We should see the characters struggle to reach this point, as we basically just have to assume he has been doing some high diff fights just for suspension of disbelief.
Also, I suggest you reread kengan ashura’s fight between agito and hatsume, because if I am right this chapter is even worse. What koga is doing is almost exactly how counter initiative was described, and that was considered well below pre initiative at the time. So how the hell is it now a foresight counter?
As a 2 scoops koga fan, id like to say shen "training" him could justify his growth. Even tho shens advice is kind of bullshit, he did at least lightly spar with koga. Like kanoh vs agito round 1 showed kanoh stopping gaolangs punch before gaolang can start the punch, koga was blocking 🐒 's kicks
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Everything would've been better if Lihito just replaced Koga as the MC
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I was soo confused when they promoted Yumi as Top tier fighter . Even with his performance in Purgatory he is one of the weakest. He could probably beat Falcon and Terashi but the rest of Purgatory is a no 😂 Keep in mind Metsudo picked Yumi for his potential not strength . Koga for me is in the Middle of A . I dont see him beating someone like Hatsumi who i put him as the gatekeeper of A
I would not even put him in A because that growth is too fast. When he beats an actual A-tier, that is when he goes beyond B for me.
@@CS-Kano Hatsumi is more like a Gatekeeper of S Tier
@@llawliet3733 Yeah this is what I meant. He is strong af
I understand why u are not happy with kogas growth, because after Chapter 50/Ohmas return it was portrayed really poorly. As a fan I don't mind it that much, because i'm just happy when we get to see him, but if u are someone who neither likes or dislikes him, I get that it's rather bad. It would've been so much better if we had a few Panels earlier in the series where Shen basically teased Kogas new Power up instead of giving it as a Flashback during the fight. This way A. we could prepare us to see something, so it's not random offscreen powerspikes and B. we could do theories about what Shen is going to teach him (Similar to how we saw Kaneda and Ohma before the Kaneda vs. Hatsumi fight)
Also I wouldn't rank Koga A yet, but top of B/Gatekeeper to A. We have some serious powerhouses in A and unless I see Koga beating someone in there I'm not putting him there, but I can see him doing some serious Damage in that Tier with this technique. At this Point in the series he technically has all the Tools he Needs to be an S Tier in the future, but he both lacks Stamina and Mastery of his Martial Arts. Once he can maintain his kinetic Vision both offensively and defensively for a very large amount of time and has good mastery over his techniques then we are talking, but not as things stand now. Really enjoyed this Chapter tho, I didn't expect it to turn out this way, but I guess Jackie carried the Show once again
It is only bad because his growth is unnatural and no character in fiction has done this much off screen training (especially a main character) from F to A tier. That is just an unfortunate fact.
It would have been better had we focused on Koga's training and not just half a chapter or a random panel here and there, once a year.
Which given this chapter is fair? But still ridiculous when you start ranking every character in the verse in a tier list. Try it and you'll see how he is not there or should not be but this fight is telling us he is. I just simply do not buy it and if he truly is? Bad writing and terrible, unrealistic growth.
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@@Boombaptreetz I appreciate that mate but it’s unlikely to happen! I just don’t have the luck or that “it” factor it seems!
I still appreciate the sentiment.
@GrieverTheLionHeart nah it's coming keep it up bro💪