Have Cincinnati Bengals' Improved This Offseason? | Where Are They Better? Where Are They Worse?
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- Are the Cincinnati Bengals better this year than last year? Where are they better? Where are they worse?
The guys discuss the offense and defense in depth, which includes conversation about Joe Burrow, Ja'Marr Chase, Mike Gesicki, Trent Brown and more!
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I don’t think jake remembers how good geisicki was in Miami. I think it’s a huge upgrade, definitely the best tight end in the burrow era
He was a multi-time 700 yard receiver in a full-time slot role.
@@IncineratedHamdoesn't matter what role. He's the best tight end & joe will unlock the middle of the field more with him. It's like having a Tyler eifert in 2015. Geseki has that kind of talent.
@ShinefortheCam I only mention it because he hit career marks lining up inline last season and it was his worst year
@@ShinefortheCamtyler eifert would've been an all pro and could've been the best tight end in bengals history if he could've been even slightly more healthy. Injuries took that dudes career
Yeah recency bias got Gesicki big time but Jake may also be thinking that doesn't matter since the "pushing 30 bias" gets everybody whether they're fortunate enough to be on a team that uses them or not.. so there's a non-0 chance Mike will never be that good again
Omg the TE room is better. No discusuon is needed. It’s obviously better. Last year we had Sample, Irv Smith jr, Hudson, Wilcox. This year we have Giesiki, Sample, Hudson, All, Maclocklin. I misspelled that last one. So we deleted the worst part of the room with was Irv Smith and Mitch Wilcox. I like Wilcox and think he is a fine TE3 or TE4 but that’s it. We added a 28 years old 6’6’’ 248 lb Geisiki who runs 4.54 by the way. Yes he is faster than Tyler Boyd and Tee Higgins. Yes he is look it up. We brought back the best parts of the room which is Sample and Hudson and added Geisiki and 2 promising rookies. Even if it was just Geisiki, Sample, and Hudson it would still be better than last year.
I follow the Bengals very closely. I can name everyone on the team and practice squad where they went to college, whether they were all American or All Conference, some of their measurables like 40 time and arm length height and weight. I research every single player on the team. That includes the pre 53 man roster team when they have up to 90 players. I can tell you right here right now that the Bengals are unequivocally better than they were last year. You might say how can you lose Tyler Boyd, Joe Mixon, and DJ Reader and be better. Well Mixon and Boyd are on the back nine of their careers. Fair to say their best football is behind them. And DJ Reader for as good as he is the Bengals were still bad at stippping the run last year even when he was on the field. If Reader hadn’t sustained identical season ending injuries in 2 of his 4 year co tract I think he would still be playing for us today. Why do I think we are better? Because Burrow is pissed and wants to prove to EVERYONE on this planet that he was picked 1st overall because he is the best at what he does. Higgins is In a contract year. He is motivated to have a career year. Cam Sample and Joseph Ossai are in contract years. I believe Ossai is going to go off this year. Trey is Trey he is a top 5 edge. Sam Hubbard is the best DE from his draft class to date. He empties the effort bucket on every single play. We have a fresh infusion of young hungry players. Charlie Jones and Iosivas are hungry. Chase Brown is hungry. I feel something building with this team that I have t felt since 2021. The offensive line is better. Trent Brown is better than Jonah Williams. Mims is going to be better than both of them. I have faith in Cordell Volson. I think he will continue getting better like he has been his first 2 years. And we have some better depth on the offensive line. Mims at tackle and Lee at center. I guess Ford will be a backup guard. Also that udfa they got from Louisville the offensive tackle Miller. Eric Miller I think his name is. He is 6’8’’ 312 pounds. Maybe they found something with him. There are a couple of people on the roster that I think can make an impact. Devonsha Maxwell the DT and Travis Bell the 6’ 310 lb Nose Tackle. I think one of those guys will be on the 53 either this year or definantly never year. I like Bell a lot. He is strong as fuck. He did as many reps on the bench press as DJ Reader did. He is shorter so he can get underneath linemen’s pass easily and he is athletic as fuck for a NT. I think his RAS is above 7.
I am from Europe so I don't understand everything, there is one thing that nobody talk about and I am wondering why? Bengals have 3 guys 6-8 and 350+, why woudn't you have those three together and create running game threath with them. If they push together in same direction they should push defense few yards every time and RB could get extra yard or two. You can have 5+2 yards in every drive. Something like brotherly push from Eagles two years ago. Is this possible tactics or not?
They have a clear upgrade at TE I really don't think there is any argument that that room isn't better then last year. Not only do they have Mike but they brought in 2 promising rookies in the draft. That room could have a huge impact this year. More then we even seen in 2021 and 2022
Same depth guys with clear upgrade over Irv Smith + 2 new rookies. Definitely upgraded
I think you can argue that the floor of every room is either improved by experience, health, or better quality depth. That is HUGE! But, the question is how much did/will the ceiling raise?
Jake WHAT?! How can you say the TE room is deeper but not significantly better?! It is significantly better and deeper. You Drop Irv Smith and Wilcox and replace them with a TE with 4.54 speed who has had a year where he almost had 800 yards who is 28 years old and you add 2 promising rookies. One of the PFF guys I think Sickama has All as his TE3 in this draft class. Had it not been for the injury All probably goes in round 2 or 3. And the kid from Arizona is promising too. He broke some of Gronks records at Arizona. Let me repeat that he broke some of GRONKS records at Arizona. If you asked me which room is clearly and unequivocally better I would say the TE room!
I watch this for James not Jake. Jake just seems to be trying to be someone he's not.... He needs to loosen up and not try to be a know if all
Dax Hill NEVER played free safety at Michigan James! He played NICKEL CB! And he will be the starting nickel CB in 2025. Dax can play Stong Safety but we have 2 of those. Bell and Battle. Battle for the record could play any position in the secondary except outside CB. But Dax will be an excellent nickel corner. He might even be able to play outside CB. He is certainly athletic enough. Cam Taylor Britt also played safety as well as outside CB in college. I’ll bet no one knew that. I don’t know which safety position he played. And for all those people who say that both safety’s do the exact same thing no they don’t. If they did the same thing then both positions would just be called safety. Sort of like both outside CBs are just CBs. The fact that they have different names for the safeties also suggest differences. Free safety and Strong safety are differant. When you see coverage that has only one high safety 99% of the time that’s your free safety. Dax isn’t good at that. Dax is better closer to the Los. Nickel CB or box strong safety. I think he can play outside too but we already have 2 starting CBs.
❤ Awesome as always thanks guys go bengals
I don’t think we a better or worse team we definitely have more depth. Hopefully better competition against each other to help one another. But you as good as your back up in all positions
Burrows health will be fine. Everyone who plays this game gets hurt at some point. Even Tom Brady tore an ACL and MCL. I saw Burrow throwing in practice and he looks like he always have. Burrow played 20 straight games in 2021 because all the starters sat the last game. In 2022 he plays 19 straight games. Should have been 20 but a game was canceled.
He has been hurt all but 2021
Running back could be an issue this year. Thats a big part of any offense even in this era of football.
I just love what they've done this off-season. Wish Mixon was still here with Moss & Brown still excited about Rb room though. I'm slightly worried about how Tee will perform he's a beast when he is on. Hoping this D gets back to looking like a top D. WHO-DEY!!! Is how I'm feeling.
Without a doubt! If they’d just signed Reader this wouldn’t even be a question. Still hurts my soul he’s not a Bengal this coming season.
The front can help the DB's. We need ossai and Murphy to give us a pass rush opposite of Trey
They have to get snaps to do that
From my perspective that doesn't matter to anyone HAHAHA Tee and Boyd both got distracted with you all constantly asking them about Borrow getting paid so much! Greed got in their heads especially when Chase started saying he was up next!!! Higgens had 3 or 4 drops in the first 4 or 5 games. He made Borrows Leg look a lot worse. In fact, we probably would have won the firs two games if Tee would have just caught the ball... Reader was a loss yes BUT last season even when he was healthy, the Bengals' run defense was still bad man... People are talking like we lost a Pro bowl player, but reader got hurt "again." Doesn't he get hurt every year? SO, the people we used to fill that spot look pretty good to me!!! Losing Mixon was a blow and I know Moss looks like he has his legs tied together compared to watching Mixon run but honestly, I didn't watch every game Moss played so I hope we will be ok there... Brown will do better than Moss but we shall see!!! All that said I think we are WAY deeper of a team than any time with Borrow!!!! 17-0 baby!!! HAHAH
Reader in his prime, age-wise, missed 22 out of a possible 66 regular season games here due to injury. Now he's going to be over 30 AND coming off of a MAJOR injury. Moss is more explosive than Mixon, just maybe not as consistent.
I think if we stay healthy all year we just be fine this season my thought I say we could reach the Super Bowl this year
I may be crazy but I like when Chase lines up in the slot. I like the idea of Gesicki in the slot as well. And if 4 guys go wide, that means TWO technically are in "slot" positions, right? On one side or both.
Too many people smitten with Reader. He did have some good “runs” when he wasn’t injured. But last year’s run defense with him in there was not that good so don’t tell me that the combination of Rankins and Jenkins is a significant down grade bc Reader isn’t even going start this year healthy!! Reader averages just over 1 sack per year! Actually 1.2 per year! I know it’s not all about sacks but one per year and can’t stay on the field???? Good guy, good teammate, I liked him but …. Ready to see what Rankins and Jenkins can do!!!
It remains to be seen. Will Stone stabilize the safety position with Bell? Are Sheldon, Jenkins and Jackson going to improve the D line significantly over last year and the loss of DJ Reader? Do we have a CB opposite Britt or will the Dax Hill experiment flounder. On paper things look better but then again, anything is better than last years NFL worst defense. On offense, we have 5 tight ends. How will Pitcher use them. Our running backs are small with no big banger like Perine who was sorely missed. The O line MUST play better and up to potential. Mims was a great addition i believe. However if one of the interior linemen go down with injury we are screwed as the backups not good and i'm sorry but i doubt Matt Lee a 7th round center only draftee will make an impact.
Finally Burrow must be and stay healthy. Can Pitcher bring the offense to its full potential. Taylor and Callahan were in love with passing and ignored the run game. Look at teams who made the championship games and super Bowl. Great defense (which we dont have), a strong running game (which we dont have) and a dominant O line (which we dont have). I'm sorry but we need A LOT to go right this year for this team to make a deep playoff run or Super Bowl run.
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We will see by week 7 if we finally had a fast start!!!
Gotta get to 3 and 1
@@craigharris41 Yea....not starting 0-2 is the start of it
Is this are they better than last or the last 4? If it’s last year much better if healthy burrow got to top3 a play on average last year I woulda put qb play 16-19 that alone is all you need
I’ve noticed the Bengals defense generally plays better when their offense plays well/consistent in a game.
Better qb play burrow was hurt, when he's back of course they will be better. Stop this nonsense
Actually, what more could you expect from a backup QB? If he was better he would have been starting elsewhere. That and Burrow hurt himself in preseason, and was not ready week one, or two, week four, 1-3 just like that and 0-2 in the division. Yes, Burrow's return will help this year but if you remember, other than QB, the rest of that team stayed relatively healthy throughout and flopped in many areas. This year? I would not get my hopes up, other teams have improved also, especially in the division. Kind of stinks when Cleveland, with a backup QB, went to the playoffs along with every other team in the division also. Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, and Russell Wilson are in the division this coming season. They all can run too, can Joe? For his life perhaps.
@@bigj6143Rest of the team stayed healthy??? Their 3rd best offensive player and second best defensive player got injured on top of Burrow
your as good as your back up in all positions
@@benfrankfriendly6269 That’s the dumbest take I’ve heard all day. A team with their below average backup QB is as good as when they have a top 2 QB in the league under center?????
I'll also say if the Bengals knew Browning was so solid.. they'd have been comfortable sitting Burrow when he needed it.. hopefully that's the future case so Burrow can indeed stay healthy
We are clearly better at the TE position. I also think we're clearly better at Safety. Bell is great in that scheme, and I think Geno Stone has the capability to be a Pro Bowler. Even tho we lost Reader, we have better quality depth at DT. With Charlie Jones being healthy and Burton coming in, I think we are better at WR too. Our offensive line is better with getting Trent Brown and Mims. I actually really love what we've done in Free Agency and the draft. We have addressed a ton of needs and addressed them well.
Geno Stone will be our free safety,then Vonn Bell our strong safety with Battle getting plenty of playing time. The goal is for Jordan Battle to take that strong safety spot come next season. Battle needs to be in Vonn Bells back pocket,learning as much as possible from Vonn Bell.
So with all the safetys, are we finally going to see 3 safety looks? If so what advantages and disadvantages does that bring?
You guys do know that Dax Hill has almost as many tackles just last year than Geno Stone has in his 4 year career right? Stone has 127 tackles in 4 years and Dax had 110 last year. Do you also know that Geno Stone was not a starting safety for the Ravens last year. Marcus Williams and Kyle Hamilton are their starting safeties. Unless Hamilton was playing in the slot and if not then Stone was their 3rd safety. I’m just not on board the Geno Stone train yet. For a couple of guys who like athleticism Geno Stone has none of it. His RAS is 3.72. He runs 4.62 in the 40.
Mike Gisiki is faster than Tyler Boyd AND Tee Higgins.
Im just ready for some football
Did Calais Campbell sign anywhere?
Not yet
Regardless if Reader was with us we were still 31st in rush defense 2023.
1st of all I would not have a just a slot WR. Every receiver on the team would get slot snaps and outside snaps. I think haveing a dedicated slot WR that you always use every play makes you pridictable. When Biyd is in the field they know what he is doing. Burton and Charlie Jones would get a little more slot snaps than the others. And I would use Chase a bit more in the slot. Irwin is a fine slot receiver. I mean our WR room is so dam good it’s scary. Tee Higgins is the slowest WR on the team. Huh yea he is. But his size and route running make up for the lack of blazing speed. Geisiki plays in the slot a lot. Hudson same thing. Sample is a great blocker but like his second year when he had 40 catches and 400 yards he can catch the ball pretty well and he isn’t exactly slow. He Drew Sample has an RAS of 8.99. Dude is a spectacular athlete. Don’t believe me look up his RAS!
Drew Sample is moving to FB . That position fits him better . His skillset is blocking not catching or rac.
I’m not a Geno Stone believer. Jordan Battle didn’t need to be replaced. He made the All Rookie team last year. Battle can play free or strong safety. Yes but I’m not very high on Geno Stone. Battle is a better player than Von Bell. He is bigger and longer. Bell is good it’s just that Battle is very good
I'm definitely a geno believer that was a big addition along with Vonn Bell that was definitely needed in this room way too many big plays given up on the back end
I think Burrow will be fine.
Yea Irv Smith was the starting TE last year Jake. Geisiki is WAY better than Smith is. And they all are better than Wilcox. Giesiki is a Freak athlete. 6’6’’ 247 runs 4.54 and has a 40 inch vertical jump. That faster and better than ANY TE the Bengals have had since at least Tyler Eifert.
If we can get 13 games out of Trent Brown I would be pretty happy with that. I believe Mims could start right now tommorow I would have no problem starting him.
I said Jordan battle was the best pk in last yr draft an he would be starting before the season ended an looks like I was right just like I said Dax wasn't a deep free safety and I'll say DJ ivey take CB2 starting job and yoshi will be take the wr no2 job next year when Tee leaves
Jake, wtf? “TE room not better”??? It was terrible last year for the most part. If it wasn’t for Hudson stepping up, it would have been the worst in the league!
DJ Turner was a rookie last year. He will be just fine.
If all healthy would like to see him have most snaps
I dunno man, Jake was off this whole show..
Who dey
The dumbest thing i ever heard Jake say was he didn’t think the TE room was significantly better. WTF. Dude, Mike Gesicki is by far the best catching TE Joe Burrow had ever had. All and Tanner McLachlan is better than Drew and Wilcox without ever playing a game. Sample is only on the team for his blocking. Other than that he is trash.
Smdh... will u go review Gino Stone's ints before you just say hes a major upgrade??? His contract is easy to get out of if he doesn't produce... i do hope we get that production because it came from bmorea pass rush
Over Hill he is
@craigharris41 again please review his take from last year... Baltimore passrush is why he benefited and caught 7 ints... burrows telegraphed backside post to Tee that he intercepted was his best on the year because we ran the exact same play against Cleveland and almost had the same result except their safety dropped it... stone caught... I give him credit he made the plays but people acting like we Jesse Bates back there... the communication isn't just on Hill... the bengals when fucking cheap and brought in a guy from the rams who's athletic and was simply a special teams guys and tried to sell us in this shit... hill is a 1st rounder and if he's labeled a bust it's in the coaching staff and not him... stone if u watch his tape caught 5 overthrown passes off target... I'm not hating bro the tape don't lie... but because stats don't lie either people see the production on paper and yes on paper stone had a monster year and hills was meh... against in paper our roaster was supposed to be good but injuries derailed the whole thing... bell being back should help and I don't think hill is a bust... I think what they ask them to do is too limiting in some ways... bates leaves goes to Atlanta and has a career year 😕... hill is more talented, faster, and athletic than bates... it cant be hill is trash sorry... at some point u have to look at the coaching staff and front office that have picked players that don't fit this system or reached on olinemen, or just simply been a day late and a dollar short... Burrow can't save them from not having a plan... he's don't it for a couple of years now and guess what last year found out again oh we need to have a more diverse offense but yet... they still failed to run the ball 😕... anyway hill is massively talented and I hope stone repeats his performance in better coverage...
I'm going to miss mixon and Boyd and reader and Chido a lot I think we got better in some areas nose tackle unsure of I think Myles Murphy will make an improvement Xavier Howard is out there and Stephen Gilmore look at another vet d lineman, Matt Lee try him at LG compete with volson or center move karras to LG
Lee will likely not play OG in the NFL and he isnt ready this year. Hopefully he wont be forced into service.
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When you have to keep asking this same question over and over again "have they improved?" the answer is more and more likely going to be "no." On a different note, they are asking for more money for Stadium Renovations. Answer, where is your Super Bowl Trophy? Not saying I would say yes either way but the way it stands "H" (and you know what stands for) no. My first prediction for training camp is Mims gets hauled away on a cart with a season ending knee injury. Got that feeling folks. Could have maybe bargained a bit more with Tyler Boyd had they kicked Drew Sample to the curb but hey, always second best never first, give the depth a three year deal. Maybe they will haul him off the practice field instead of Mims. Bengals are usually not so lucky.
Don't be salty we will show you that trophy this year.if Joey b is a 100 percent healthy all we know is back to back afc title game at the least.you know that!!!you just hope something happens cuz you know a healthy Joey b it's a wrap!!!! O and add 2024 super bowl mvp champ🏆 to burrow to😊!!!!! #seeyouattheendoftheyear #burrowiscoming
jake comb that beard out. lol
A Cordell Volson replacement would be an improvement 🤔
🐅WHO-DEY🐅
Yes Volson was a problem a year ago. So was the entire defense, except Hendrickson, who asked for a trade. Cappa and Karris had opposing teams footprints on their head after getting run over. Mixon has been replaced by another inferior teams backup running back. Tight End play does not exist, it helps the OL block. Gee, what else is wrong? If the running game isn't better Burrow will force more passes, not good. Teams like the Ravens made a big splash getting an excellent veteran STARTING RB. Philly signed both of their WRs to long term extensions. What's the Bengals excuse again? They will have many.
I’d take ravens last year rb room over this but ravens having a running game means what the sky is blue
Volson isnt being replaced, he finished strong last season, but only knowledgeable fans know this.
@@bigj6143 Go cry on your Ravens videos.
You may not agree but I think that the reason the defense was so bad last year was because the offense was so bad! The defense had to be on the field far longer than they would have if the offense had been better in the games we lost.
They going to use Jermaine just like they use Jamar he's faster than t Higgins
CB doesn't have too B complicated move Dax too the position he played in college & he's best at nickel/slot with Mike helton he's getting up there in ys so go ahead have Dax learning from 1 of the best Hilton an maybe playing on different downs guarding TEs now u all never mentioned a guy who was playing great last yr training camp DJ ivey or rookie Josh Newton I truly believe CB no2 will be DJ ivey he built more like at CB1 I believe u all brought his name up last yr training camp saying how good he was playing 3 int in 1 practice
A 1st rounder to be Nickel.....screams bust
@@craigharris41 well Cin's drafted him in the first rd and so far he's not played up 2 where he was drafted they tried him at deep free safety an he was awful last yr so moving Dax 2 slot/nickel is what he played in college so maybe he can develop into the next Mike helton guarding TEs an using his athletic is something he was good at
We have zero idea how they are gonna be. Until we see joe throw we won't know. No matter how good of surgeon/ therapy he had that wrist will never be the same. Makes me nervous
For some reason I don’t trust Stone, we run a different defense than the ravens and Lou be scared to run different defense
I get speaking objectively but this show was a far reach into the negative cup 🤦🏾 comparing to the 22 season when we just came out of the 23 season. Injury talk as if thats not applicable to every single important player while not looking at what he doing right now on the practice field. Acting like y'all were praising TB as a difference maker and didn't remotely speak to him still being on the team this year even before last season was over but now we're hurting because he's gone?!?! The TE take....🤦🏾🤦🏾 Y'all killed Mixon and praised the shit out of Moss and now it's the same level......yeah I can't even watch the rest of this video. I hope y'all have different vibes on the next video 🤦🏾 Who Dey
How did Jake get this job? James can you get another partner? He's so lost and negative. The TE room is the same wow
Sure is the same, still cheap and Gesicki is the new Irv Smith in town. Bet the farm Drew Sample catches three or less TDs this year. He can block my Grandmother though.
@@bigj6143 You dont know this team and you are embarrassing yourself with these stupid comments.
Jake was here years before James. You new fans are comical.
Poe, you’re negative and arrogant takes frequently embarrass the fan base as well as your family! TE room is better and has a potential high ceiling! Something it hasn’t had in years!
@@charleswise4831 What? I think the TE room is way better. I was responding to the guy questioning why Jake was here, he has been here way longer than James. WTF does that have to do with the TE room? Are you sure you responded to the right person?
Can we stop with the dj reader. Dj was not a good player last year he was very mid then had a huge injury. The rotation is CLEARLY better on the dline. It’s 2024 stop talking about a nose like it’s life or death
Man the fan negativity is strong with this one. That being said, I'm still not sold on the Offensive Scheme and the play calling being good enough to take this team to the promise land. How much would the offense have to under achieve for Coach Taylor to be on the hot seat?
You must be a new Bengals fan.
Murphy is starting to look like a bust 😂
He was a rookie last year and played behind guys who get a lot of snaps as well as a guy who got 17.5 sacks last year. What facts are you using to support this silly observation? Give the guy time!
@charleswise4831
Shhh, calm down.breaking news, you can laugh sometimes. You seem to take other random bengals fans comments/opinions too seriously...it's kind of weird
Jake and James for the love of God will let the kid screw up before you keep hanging there past past over there. Head period it's always the player's fault of the shit that happens that you guys want to address, especially black players. Let's call it what it is. Definitely not giving him a pass on what happened. But you act like people don't do shit to get a reaction and when they get the reaction the players automatically guilty in the person that did the initiation is completely innocent miss me with that shit. That's one incident that you guys want to keep bringing up and the fact that he switched schools what the fuck does switching schools have to do with anything
The discourse between these two is palpable. It makes me super uncomfortable. Does anyone else see/feel that?