NEW Toyota C-HR PHEV review - the best plug-in hybrid SUV? | What Car?
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- Опубликовано: 14 мар 2024
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In this new Toyota C-HR PHEV review, we see if this plug-in hybrid is better than a Kia Niro and Mazda MX-30 R-EV.
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Got my new CHR on Friday. Very pleased with it. Smooth, quiet, great over bumps in the road, 50+ mpg so far. Cabin getting close to Lexus standard, big widescreen MMI sharp and bright. Only gripe is the speed limit warning beeps cannot be turned off permanently.
If you want the mute the speed limit beeping then I would say, stay under the speed limit 🤣
@@paulabbott941 who stays at 29mph or less? 🤭
My Hybrid CHR arrives this month. So nice to drive, great seats and economy and very stylish. Oh, and ten year warranty (15 years on the battery).
Update. Had my CHR 1.8 Designp for nearly 4 weeks now - loving it! Really comfortable, 65mpg, Android Auto and Apple Car Play both work flawlessly, screen and dials really crisp and clear. Great looks and 10 year warranty too. Highly recommended
Drove the 2.0 c-hr and the Skoda and it was so smooth I can only imagine how nice the plugin must be. Made the skoda feel old and harsh. Got 57mpg too which amazed me. Enough headroom in rear for me at 6ft 1 too.
Perfect review. Thanks.
One extra thing to mention is there is reduced ground clearance with the plug-in model due to bigger battery. Could easily be damaged on high curb and, of course, damage and lithium iron batteries is not a good combo.
We own a 6 yo Phev & a 1 yo Y. I 💕 them both. I DIY home charger for both. The Phev can use a regular 120V outlet & be fine, but not the Y. That's an extra cost if ⚡ contractor req'ed. I drive around town 90% on ⚡ with the Phev. ALL out of town trips are on the Y. It works great for us. Btw, I owned a Prius previously, it was the most reliable car I've ever owned, much more than friend's Leaf. We'll see how the Y compares in a 5 yrs.
Nice car but way too expensive. The GR Sport is 28k in Aus and 40k in the UK where it is downgraded to 2WD only. UK buyers are treated like mugs and it’s no wonder brands like MG have grown so strongly.
If the "better value" means cheaper but less reliable (which it very likely is) it is not a better value. I don't want more gimmicks. I want a car that is reliable.
Like for like my 2021 Corolla hybrid now costs £9,000 more! And I now need to find £11,000 deposit just to have a like for like
Those seats when you sat in them move way to much not very well fitted which is a concern
Beautiful CHR 💪
You can add another £1,950 for both the prices quoted near the end of the video because of the “expensive car tax” rip-off of £390 extra for the first 5 years.
410 now
Pls review a Corolla with the 1.8 lit hybrid setup and compare it the the 2 lit. The 1.8 is the only available config in my region
I will be keeping my first generation C-HR, 1.2 L turbo manual thank you. The car is too expensive now.
Yours is not a hybrid. There is a significant price bump to get the hybrid but I think it is worth it. If nothing else the hybrid is very nice to drive. I would not change back and definitely not to a manual.
@@K1989L No, mine is the standard 1.2L turbo petrol. I can get as low as 4.8 litres per 100 on long trips, but I do enjoy the manual too.
Front is cool look's ❤ and Rear Side.......
Alas, they don’t sell the CH-R in America anymore; if anywhere at all. So cute though it seems… 🤗
Rear view on this is like looking through a letter box.
You didn’t cover the listed mpg ?? Only the battery stated range??
Because it's near on impossible to predict as it depends on how often you plug it in! Any listed mpgs with plugins are theoretical. I don't get why anyone would buy this over the standard version as it's £$5K more. Over a typical first life of 3-5years you're not saving anything.
@@abderra18 Depends how far you drive each day and how long you intend to keep the car. 30 miles a day on full electric at 7p for electric at home or even 0p with solar panels would start to eat into that £5k.
@@stephenlevett8934 I'm going to assume 15p per kWh - Actual energy required (considering 90% efficiency) = 13.57 kWh / 0.90 = 15.08 kWh. Total charging time = 15.08 kWh / 7 kW = 2.154 hours.
Total cost of charging = 15.08 kWh * £0.15/kWh = £2.26
Assuming 40miles driven per day and 30 of that is the electric the rest of petrol at 1.50 per litre = running costs per week of £11.
Comparing to the standard CHR HEV at 60mpg Cost per gallon = £1.50/liter /
Total Weekly Cost of £31
Difference of £20 - so 5 years of driving 40 miles per day every day of the year to balance out the equation.
For my driving a PHEV would not be worth it over a HEV.
@@abderra18 Those are the sums that everyone should run. There is resale price at the end to account for, but the cost vs savings of any electrification at all makes little sense for 90% of drivers. Which is a shame, because as a society, more efficient and lower emitting cars, driven less are far better.
I can’t really see how they justify the price when it doesn’t really score highly in any area. Also surely the Honda HRV is a competitor with an equally compromised boot ? I blame pcp/pch deals for pricing cash buyers out of the market.
I recently purchased the 1.8L self-charging version of this car, and overall, it's been a very positive experience. It's incredibly comfortable to drive, and after a month of use, I've been pleasantly surprised to average around 60 miles per gallon (UK). However, there are a few quirks that I've noticed along the way.
For starters, syncing trip data to the app requires you have to be stationary in park and click the privacy screen three times, otherwise, the trip data gets lost! The motor that drives the wipers are super noisy (as is the boot opening and closing), and the rear screen tends to fog up easily, which can be frustrating, especially considering there's no rear wiper. We've had so much rain in the UK lately, yes it does need a rear wiper!
Visibility out of the rear is rather limited, and the reversing camera's in the design spec has poor resolution nothing better than my previous Juke. Another annoyance is the constant beeping - whether it's for going just a mile over the speed limit or changing speed zones, the alerts can get a bit excessive. The major crash alert has come on a couple of times, when there's no way I was going to crash - just driving normally during busy school runs.
There's quite a few other minor annoyances. Sometimes randomly the alarm sounds for 5 seconds when locking the car. Every other drive it sends the app an alert to check the rear seats and if you turn off the alerts for those darn bleeps, it's reset the next time you start the car. When reversing, the screen does not always show the radar when approaching objects you could hit.
When a couple of passengers are in the rear, the 1.8L engine feels like it struggles and boy does it growl, like driving a Ferrari growl. Other than that the 1.8 engine is fine esp in busy town driving.
No such things as self charging it's a PR gimmick to dumb things down.
You are appraising 25 year old technology that's only improved by added battery capacity and power.
I have the same issues with my 73 plate Corolla! Having to accept the privacy T&Cs every time I start the car is really getting on my nerves lol. And the alarm beeping when locking is so unnecessary. And yep the reverse camera is so bad looks like a 10 year old Nokia camera 😂
Hmmmmm
The B-mode in the gear selector is brake mode meaning engine breaking. It has nothing to do with regenerative braking.
In B-mode the transmission is locked up to let the front wheels turn the engine like in a regular petrol car and the engine is used as an airpump to slow the car down without spending any petrol.
The B-mode is found in all Toyota hybrids and work the same as an engine braking solution for steep down hills etc.
On the official Toyota page it is regen boost mode for this car. You select the regen boost in the menus and activate it with the B mode.
@@awalkingmemory1473agreed my new shape RAV4 Regen if you broke lightly it regened and in b mode done the same before physical brakes where used.
What’s new, my Mitsubishi has all these features and I’ve had it four years, although it does have 3 charging ports, 3 pin 3.5 kw , 7kw and supercharger port. This car means having a £1k charger fitted at home.
I do have the flappy paddles for regeneration, which you want in the hilly Pennines.
Forget the range quoted, fine if you live in a totally flat urban area, cut the figures in half for anywhere else.
My 2.4 litre petrol engine does 33mpg and 41 mpg using combined petrol/ electric urban and touring.
When electric is expensive use petrol, when petrol is expensive use electric where you can.
Is it worth buying electric? Absolutely Not!
I’ve been driving a PHEV over 9 years, brilliant for 7.5 years, waste of time for the last 18 months.
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But it’s not a self charging hybrid when the battery runs low. Toyotas are.
@@Irvine88888888 yes it is , regeneration from wheels when the car is slowing down or when the petrol engine is driving and charging.
At a constant over 43mph clutches engage the front wheels, so it drives and charges at the same time in what would be 6th gear.
It’s wise to not totally flatten the battery, but engage the petrol engine when the battery gets down to 20% or the engine starts revving madly trying to put a full charge in and also drive the car, which is not fuel efficient.
@@colinbarber9324 hey Collin how are you doing ?
Seems like full EVs are going to be cheaper than hybrids pretty soon
It's reality now, you can have the new tesla model 3 for less than some of the CHRs.
@@abderra18 Well, it is true that some of these CHRs are overpriced, however, CHRs depreciate slower than Telsas. Also, Toyota HEV & PHEVs are more reliable than Telsa, therefore, CHR is more reliable than Telsa. It would be cheaper to insure CHR than Telsa. Unscheduled repairs in Toyota are cheaper than in Telsa. The cost of replacing a damaged battery or Out-of-warranty battery replacement is higher than Telsa. However, I would rather buy a Toyota Rav PHEV that is about 2 yrs old, (£33k) than buy a new CHR PHEV.
A beautiful and amazing car. Love the fact that it is a plug in hybrid because it can do everything a battery ev can do but you can also fill it up at one of thousands of gas station around the country.
Anyone going to carry anyone in the rear seats all the time isn’t looking at this car. Unless they have no sense
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Great review.
I do feel these cars are the future until the charging network catches up with EV technology.
Tesla already did, about 10 years ago !
@@stevenbarrett7648 sadly in the uk, there aren’t many. 3rd party are present, but most are slow
@@stevenbarrett7648sadly not everyone want or able to buy tesla.
Agree. Full EVs are way too expensive to purchase, way too expensive to insure (John Lewis for eg in the UK won't even insure EVs at present) and when the warrenty is done, the car is toast. Full EVs are ok if you charge at home and your milage/journeys are predicable - but venture afar and you'll soon realise the reality of range anxiety and in the UK charge anxiety!!
@@abderra18 a BMW entry level 3 Series petrol and a Tesla entry level Model 3 are the same price. All new cars are expensive, but predominantly legacy car makers put a premium on their EV's. If you look at ground up EV manufacturers then their prices are much closer, if not the same as their ICE vehicle equivalents. As for insurance, the government needs to step in and force insurers to disclose their average pay outs per make/model. It's not just EV's, Land Rovers/Range Rovers are now uninsurable, and I've seen our ICE car insurance go up by as much as the insurance for our EV's. There's some big changes coming to battery costs and chemistries over the next few years, but I still think EV's have a few more years of being in the "first adopter" phase of deployment where there are limitations that will mean some user scenarios are not suitable for EV's. I expect at the current rate of development that we will be at a point where EV's pretty much suit everyone, long before the 2035 ban on new ICE sales.
Where is the UK ?
Just above France 😂
… and under north pole 🥶
Had a look at one at my local Toyota Dealer. Definitely a triumph of style over substance. Big center console makes it cramped up front and centre armrest is fixed height. Rear is cramped and dark with difficult access and boot is far too high for big cases etc. Do car designers actually drive cars in the real world? Toyota are going to struggle to shift these in the UK without big offers. New PRIUS sounds like a better option.
40k for this? And with all those hard plastics in the rear? I'd rather go for a Peugeot 3008.
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Sounds like a great car for those who hate EV's, hogging all those chargers for over two hours for 40 miles range.😅
The EV range is too low for most commutes. I think you need at least a range of 100 miles or 160 km (on paper) so you realistically can do 60 miles or 100 km with highway speeds in winter. That would be sufficient for most commutes.
Is I'm guessing that's assuming you can't charge at work right😅 2.5 hours each way sounds brutal
@@Goodman-4525 yes, i think charging twice a day is not something most people are willing to do. The average commute by car is about 35 km, so 70 km every day. 90% of commutes is
It's a PHEV, not an EV. It will decide when it wants to switch on the petrol engine, and you should probably let it.
@@0bzen22 i know, but with such a small battery it will run on gas most of the time, unless the user has a very short commute and will charge it twice a day.
The biggest car lease company in the Netherlands published data that PHEV drivers don't use any less gasoline than hybrid drivers. They are simply not charging frequently enough, and the average commute distance is a lot more than the realistic EV range the car is providing.
So that's why I think you need a PHEV with a bigger battery, so you can charge it once a day for most commutes and still use EV mode only. And then only use gasoline a couple times a year for longer trips.
Great review as we've come to expect. Thank you
The backs of your knees look to be a long way from the seat in the back. The seat looks too low…
Nice to know that Toyota has retuned the suspension. Now they need to retune the list price to get it under £40k. As vehicles with a list price over £40k now has to pay super road tax at £560 per year for alternative fuel vehicles.
the design spec plugin version is under 40K - you'lliny get stung for going up the model range
@@abderra18 We are on our 3rd CHR. We are running the 2.0 litre GR Sport at the moment. We have been into the Toyota dealers to have a look at the new CHR GR 2.0 litre and nearly passed out at the £5k price increase for a like for like model change and the increase in road tax. We get over 60 mpg even with our 2.0 litre engine.
Everthing has gone up. I previously had a Juke (with a list of 22K - the same car now is 28.5K)@@clivegeary4587
£40k? You could get a Tesla kodel 3 for that!
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Toyota the Best 🇯🇵
Toyota is spiralling the drain.
They wasted a decade on hydrogen and shiting on PHEVs and EVs, now BYD is eating their lunch
The cost cutting evidenced by the rear door cards is baffling. This not a cheap car and not acceptable. Great presenter though.
this isn't a car for anyone that will use the rear.
That’s the fact
1:43 Didnt anyone really think that Toyota's decision to not bring the new Prius to the uk wasnt a cynical ploy to sell off stock of the old model?
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👏👍🙏🚗
I remember when certain car makers were not premium and not premium ££££ yet Toyota keep putting there costs up and now are in line or overlapping Lexus it’s like all makers want a peace of ever pie!
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Wouldn't you just get a Lexus NX instead? 🤔
You mean a UX? NX is the lux RAV4
Two pet peeves - no spare wheel/tyre, and obvious cost-cutting!
A hybrid is plug in so it a PLUG IN PLUG IN 😡 nah wonder the public cant charge properly thats probable why battteries explode,owner error l.
I don't care for the black interior with no color, but.. I won't buy anything that i can't see out of with my own two eyes..
It looks small... high doors, small windows and dark inside!! With all plug-in hybrids do NOT have good thermal management... So battery life will be like a Nissan Leaf... 5yrs to 10yrs and your running into troubles. Why not either buy a petrol OR a full BEV? For me, Renault Scenic BEV for the same money!
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Look at what passes for average car design these days. Then compare that to an E-Type Jag, or an original Porsche 911 from sixty years ago. Instead of developing more designs along these smooth, attractive, energetic lines, most modern cars are mong-wagons aimed at bamboozled munters unable to perceive the difference.
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Not an SUV, it’s a Crossover.
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Tiny and expensive
sad its Not a full ev
That's a good thing!
That’s a lot of money….
£20,000 to expensive this will flop
Pure EV Toyota that’s what you need to do. Just a pure EV jump right in stop tipping the time just jump for a pure EV.
Bloody sick and tired of pretentious SUVs
But Toyota can't shoehorn in a Plug in battery in a corolla wagon?
I just don’t see any future for hybrids, their resale value drops like a rock as they have in effect two engines to fix.
Maybe useful for the first 3 years as a lease car but once the warranties drop off then its scrap.
I’ve owned a PHEV, the electric range was poor, needs to be a minimum of 200 miles on paper so you can expect 140 in winter using the petrol engine only when necessary rather than the other way around.
The only PHEV I thought has a future was the BMW i3 with the battery extender now that was the right car at the right time in the evolution of EV’s.
Nowadays there’s a whole raft of 200 to 300 mile BEV’s so why bother, cheaper to service plus able to fast charge when on a trip.
Nice Toyota, if it was 2014 it would have been excellent, just ten years too late….what does that tell you?
I strongly believe that HEV and PHEV have a big role in society, especially the ones made by Toyota. They do what they say: economical, reliable, and at least don't depreciate too rapidly like a BEV. I have a toyota prius Excel phev 2020. On the empty traction battery, I get 75 - 82mpg. I bought it for £29k 3 years ago. With an odometer of 39k miles, I am now seeing offers of £18k. I wish it had more hp like this chr phev.
Toyota is most definitely 10 years too late
@@dayoadeosun1520yeah, 10 years ago. But Toyota was too happy advertising turbo diesels and hydrogen
I think you've got EV and PHEV mixed up!
It's EVs that are dropping like a rock, hybrids are really holding their value.
A PHEV will easily get 400 miles, the CHR has a 43 litre tank so more like 500.
It's like Toyota are trying to steal Citroens crown for creating the ugliest vehicles on the road.
Plug in hybrids are intrinsically flawed. When they're an electric car they have to lug around an internal
combustion engine and heavy fuel tank, when they're a petrol car they have to move the weight of a motor and battery, so they're not very good at being either. And in my recent experience, when that EV range is depleted, you're left with a very inefficient and thirsty vehicle.
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I will never spend £40,000 on an expensive coffin. The interior is completely black just like sitting in a coffin, and it is impossible to see anything in low light or at night. In winter, it is so gloomy that I am sure it can trigger severe depression for some people. Why must Toyota go to such extreme cost cutting lengths to standardise interior trim to only pure black?????
I couldnt agree more, I have been calling them coffin cabins for years now and for me any car with a black headlining is a deal breaker, although this one does have a pan roof, and that plastic on the rear door panels is just hideous at that money, it's a deffo no no, but do appreciate its looks.
I cannot stand black interiors.
I completely disagree. It makes night driving a lot easier as there is no glare or reflections on the instrument displays, dashboard or windscreen. The less distractions the better as far as I’m concerned. Give me this type of interior over a bright white (Tesla style) one any day.
@@CastleKnight7 I'm not referring to the instrument panel! It's the ambience of the interior. Black headlining, black seats, black carpets, black door panelling, etc etc. If your passenger wear black too, I am sure you will not even know he/she is in the car.
Hmmm… I thought coffin interiors were white and given you are ‘sitting in your coffin’ (I haven’t and probably never will) visibility should not be a problem in a coffin😂
Why on Earth would anyone spend £43k on this car vs £1,000 LESS for the highest-spec, fully electric, 300+ mile range Hyundai Kona Electric with zero road tax and zero tailpipe emissions...?????
I agree that this new CHR is overpriced but I would pick this CHR 2L PHEV over your recommended Hyundai Kona Electric for the following reasons. (1) Toyotas HEVs and PHEVs are more reliable than Hyundai products. (2) CHR would depreciate slower than the Kona Electric. (3) This Toyota CHR PHEV (which has the same engine as the new Prius), would definitely last longer than Kona Electric. (4) The cost of replacing a damaged battery or out-of-warranty battery replacement of a Hyundai EV, would easily wipe out any savings, made from not going to the gas station nor oil changes. Lately, the news of Hyundai EV battery replacement in Canada has been discouraging. (5) The zero road tax is only for this year. From 2025, EVs pay road tax. (6) Insurance would cost more in this Kona EV than in this CHR. (7) Unschedule repair costs of EVs are generally more than PHEVs. The only scenario I would drive a Kona EV and not this CHR, is if my employer pays for it. However, I would rather use my hard-earned money to even buy a Rav4 PHEV, that is about 3 years old and costs not more than 32K.
if you want a PHEV Mazda MX-30 offers much longer EV range at a MUCH lower price (bigger discounts)
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