Fascinating to see the introduction of the Ogdens- thanks for sharing. There certainly was a dark back story to them. Hilda calling Stan ''Spider''???? Elsie in her fabulous looking period
This is gold dust! Stan & Hilda's first appearance (had no idea they had kids) & BUYING a house & a bargain at £600! And Stan here is quite different ie won't be mucked about until the '70s & the rot set in on Stan's loins. I was about 12 in '64 & my first wage in 68 was nearly £6 a wk. A working 'man' would be above £10 at least. It was affordable until the 1980s came along & Thatcher & £600 became £6000 very quickly. Prophetic words at the end. Stan & Hilda were like what Ringo was to the Beatles, a glue that stories & characters bounced off.
And I'm feeling glad all over yes I'm a glad all over. Turn rhat down. Sounds like my house when i was 13. I've never seen the show from America so this is very addicting
This episode was scheduled for transmission on Wednesday 1st July but a strike by members of the ACTT (Association of Cinematograph Television and Allied Technicians) union began at midnight on Tuesday 30th June which continued until 7.55pm on Monday 6th July. The episode was therefore transmitted on Wednesday 8th July. The following two episodes as written (372 and 373) were due to be recorded on Friday 3rd July but the strike prevented this. The next episode was therefore Episode 374 (13th July 1964). This meant that the Ogden family moving into No.13 and the Over 60's Club bazaar did not feature in the programme. In addition, this meant the loss of the character of Tony Ogden who was cast (to be played by Willie Smith) and partially rehearsed 372 and 373 before the strike was called. Both he and his sister Sylvia, who is specifically mentioned by Irma Ogden (Sandra Gough) in this episode, were quietly dropped from the family line-up.
I never knew about Sylvia and Tony Ogden; fascinating to look on Corriepedia and discover their no-start back story. And I can't recall Hilda ever referring to Stan as 'Spider'!! Landmark episode.
Could say the long, un'appy history of number 13's continuing, Ena. " Then there was the Websters. They divorced, and now she's serving at 'er majesty's pleasure for a crime she didn't commit, after getting rid of 'er solicitor-a woman!-for 'avin an affair with 'er daughter..."
Steven Cassidy I read that the reason the producers killed Martha off (one character) a month before was to save money. If this is true, it seems a bit daft to introduce TWO characters ( Stan and Hilda) now! That won't save money! Just saying...
Stan & Hilda Ogden subsequently became two of the most popular characters that “Coronation Street” ever had. But personally, I preferred the trio of Martha, Ena and Minnie.
Its not too late you know - The elusive Silvia Ogden could still turn up - looking for some information on her mam and dad who washed their hands of her when after she went into a remand home - stuff like happened back then - still does - Maybe played by Helen Mirren - i would tune into Corrie again for that .Irma is still alive too .........
I think would be great if instead of Dennis, they had brought in Paul and Martin Cheveski (Elsie's grandsons). Paul was rarely seen and Martin appeared for a time in 1980. But one could have come back and been an interesting pairing for Eileen or Liz perhaps- with a bit of Tanner fire in their bellies am sure they would make for very interesting characters. And have been around the block more times than Ken Barlow!
They were taken into care as they were vulnerable and subject to abuse by Stan, that's the backstory. They were younger than Irma and Trevor, who seemed to have survived their upbringing.
Strange how we never saw the Ogden 'tribe' as foretold by Irma at the end there. I wonder if the writers realised they bit off more than they could chew and curved their ambitions at the last minute? It does seem like the Ogden story has a few loose ends.. Irma talks about 5 in the house but only she lives there for a while before getting married. After she leaves the only extra person was Eddie Yates!
I never ever knew that Irma Ogden was called Freda Irma was a Lancashire lass from my home town I loved watching Irma on tv why she went out of the programme I don’t know 👍👍👍👍👍
Inside leg is needed to make way for the crotch area and many tailors ask men which side do you dress....I won't explain why but it's important as to how to place the fly. And it's Arthur Swindley.
We did see Trevor, not Tony, probably in the 90s, Hilda tried to get back into contact with him. By then he was married with children, and doing very well for himself, Hilda gave him an expensive watch for his birthday, but when he got home he threw it into his drew, saying to his wife, that it was cheap rubbish, and he would not be seen wearing it. Trevor (formerly Dudley) Ogden was the son of Stan and Hilda Ogden. Trevor was fourteen when the Ogdens moved into 13 Coronation Street in 1964; too young to get a job but old enough to want money. Before Leonard Swindley and Emily Nugent married, Trevor tried to sell rice to Stuart Hodges but the lay preacher didn't take him up on his offer. A few weeks later, Ena Sharples caught him stashing twelve bags of onions in the Glad Tidings Mission Hall and demanded 10% of the profits in exchange for her silence. He made no money from the scheme however as he was caught shifting them by Annie Walker, who sacked Irma and Hilda from their jobs at the Rovers when Hilda defended him from Annie's bitter tongue. Hilda and Irma then demanded the money Trevor made from selling the onions (although they were reinstated a few days later). In September, an unexploded bomb was found in Albert Tatlock's yard, and the residents were evacuated to the Mission cellar. While the houses were empty, Trevor broke in and stole what money he could find, and cigarettes from the Corner Shop. Rather than be caught, Trevor took the money and left Weatherfield, leaving his parents a note saying he'd gone to London. Trevor spent a while living rough, until he met a man who gave him a job at his coffee shop. He worked his way up to a wood yard, then a builders yard, then an office, continuing in the building trade. By 1973, he was an estate agent and lived in a detached house - 2 Avondale Avenue, Chesterfield - with his wife Polly and their son Damian, who was born that year. Trevor met Polly when he had a cyst operation carried out in a hospital where Polly worked as a nurse. When he married Polly in 1971, he told her that his parents were dead, although he did write a letter to Stan and Hilda that year before marrying, which he thought they'd ignored as he never received the reply they sent. At the end of 1973, just before Christmas, Polly answered the door to Stan and Hilda, who had tracked Trevor down to Chesterfield as they wanted to reconnect with him after nine years. The initial exchanges were awkward as the elder Ogdens didn't know that Trevor had married or that they were grandparents, while Polly was interested in why Trevor had written them off but didn't want Stan and Hilda to know he had. When Trevor arrived home, he wasn't happy to see his parents but he was polite with them, although he was visibly embarrassed at the reminder of the working class community he'd abandoned. When alone with Polly, Trevor was more vocal, warning her that if they let Stan and Hilda into their lives they'd never be rid of them. Polly admitted that she didn't like them much either but that she wanted to invite them to stay the night as it was getting late, but Trevor was against this and rushed them out of the house before their dinner guests arrived. There was friction between father and son as Stan was very aware that Trevor was only tolerating them, and Trevor blamed Stan for his failings as a child. This was exacerbated when Polly let slip that she'd been told Hilda and Stan were dead, and they left shortly thereafter. Trevor paid occasional visits to Weatherfield, usually when he wanted something. In December 1975, while pregnant with their second child, Polly was admitted to hospital with Toxaemia. Trevor asked the Ogdens to spend Christmas in Chesterfield, which delighted them, and came up to Weatherfield to watch Hilda in the Community Centre's performance of Cinderella. He waited as long as possible before telling them about Polly's illness as he knew Hilda would realise he was really asking her to look after the house and Damian while he worked over Christmas. Hilda was hurt when he revealed his real motive for asking, but she went to Chesterfield anyway. In January 1976, Polly gave birth to a daughter, Jayne. Trevor brought Damian to No.13 in 1983, shortly after the death of his Uncle Archie, Hilda's brother. He asked them if they could look after Damian while he attended a job interview and Hilda was more than happy, although Stan was suspicious, knowing Trevor was only there for Archie's money from his will. Trevor then asked Hilda for a loan of £2,000, but they didn't have the money and Stan told Trevor that even if they did have the money, they wouldn't give it to him. Trevor returned again over a year later for Stan's funeral, without Polly, Damian and Jayne. He couldn't resist but to express his disappointment that his sister Irma couldn't come to the funeral (although she had sent a telegram to her mother from Canada where she had now chosen to settle down and start afresh). After the funeral, he didn't stick around and went home. In October 1986, Hilda was drafted in again when Trevor and Polly went on holiday for two weeks without the kids. Trevor ogden 1964 Jonathan Collins as Trevor Trevor was played by Jonathan Collins (right) in 1964 and Don Hawkins (infobox) in the character's return appearances from 1973 to 1984.
Fascinating to see the introduction of the Ogdens- thanks for sharing. There certainly was a dark back story to them. Hilda calling Stan ''Spider''???? Elsie in her fabulous looking period
This is gold dust! Stan & Hilda's first appearance (had no idea they had kids) & BUYING a house & a bargain at £600! And Stan here is quite different ie won't be mucked about until the '70s & the rot set in on Stan's loins. I was about 12 in '64 & my first wage in 68 was nearly £6 a wk. A working 'man' would be above £10 at least. It was affordable until the 1980s came along & Thatcher & £600 became £6000 very quickly. Prophetic words at the end. Stan & Hilda were like what Ringo was to the Beatles, a glue that stories & characters bounced off.
And I'm feeling glad all over yes I'm a glad all over. Turn rhat down. Sounds like my house when i was 13. I've never seen the show from America so this is very addicting
This episode was scheduled for transmission on Wednesday 1st July but a strike by members of the ACTT (Association of Cinematograph Television and Allied Technicians) union began at midnight on Tuesday 30th June which continued until 7.55pm on Monday 6th July. The episode was therefore transmitted on Wednesday 8th July. The following two episodes as written (372 and 373) were due to be recorded on Friday 3rd July but the strike prevented this. The next episode was therefore Episode 374 (13th July 1964). This meant that the Ogden family moving into No.13 and the Over 60's Club bazaar did not feature in the programme. In addition, this meant the loss of the character of Tony Ogden who was cast (to be played by Willie Smith) and partially rehearsed 372 and 373 before the strike was called. Both he and his sister Sylvia, who is specifically mentioned by Irma Ogden (Sandra Gough) in this episode, were quietly dropped from the family line-up.
I'm gonna miss hearing "Our Lily" from Martha every other episode. 😞
Now it’ll be “STANLEY!” every other episode...
But what I found interesting is when Lily spoke of her and stated how they never really got on.
Thank you!
I never knew about Sylvia and Tony Ogden; fascinating to look on Corriepedia and discover their no-start back story. And I can't recall Hilda ever referring to Stan as 'Spider'!! Landmark episode.
It's like Barry Fitzgerald selling the Ogdens number 13. Hard to believe Hilda is just 34 in real life here.....
Stan was actually in the episode when baby Christopher was missing. In the rovers
Could say the long, un'appy history of number 13's continuing, Ena. " Then there was the Websters. They divorced, and now she's serving at 'er majesty's pleasure for a crime she didn't commit, after getting rid of 'er solicitor-a woman!-for 'avin an affair with 'er daughter..."
Enter the Ogdens.....Coronation Street will never be the same again
Steven Cassidy I read that the reason the producers killed Martha off (one character) a month before was to save money. If this is true, it seems a bit daft to introduce TWO characters ( Stan and Hilda) now! That won't save money! Just saying...
The Ogdens were infinitely better value for the Street than Martha. They saw gold with these two.
And they were right.
@@carolineg1872 I've been longing for Hilda and Stan, I always loved Hilda.
They forgot to mention the kids taken into care?
Stan & Hilda Ogden subsequently became two of the most popular characters that “Coronation Street” ever had. But personally, I preferred the trio of Martha, Ena and Minnie.
Its not too late you know - The elusive Silvia Ogden could still turn up - looking for some information on her mam and dad who washed their hands of her when after she went into a remand home - stuff like happened back then - still does - Maybe played by Helen Mirren - i would tune into Corrie again for that .Irma is still alive too .........
Maybe Julie Walters....she'd do a great job.
@@carolineg1872 Oh wow yes of course Julie Walters would be perfect
I think would be great if instead of Dennis, they had brought in Paul and Martin Cheveski (Elsie's grandsons). Paul was rarely seen and Martin appeared for a time in 1980. But one could have come back and been an interesting pairing for Eileen or Liz perhaps- with a bit of Tanner fire in their bellies am sure they would make for very interesting characters. And have been around the block more times than Ken Barlow!
Ty so much for uploading these episodes great fan from nz here ❤
😡😡😡 Eu protesto!
Quero o episódio que se segue a briga do Ken e a esposa!
I left east london and a house similar to the ogdens which mum was renting for 30 bob a week, it is now selling for 850.000 pound, whew.
They forgot to mention the kids they had taken into care 🤷♀️
They were taken into care as they were vulnerable and subject to abuse by Stan, that's the backstory. They were younger than Irma and Trevor, who seemed to have survived their upbringing.
Strange how we never saw the Ogden 'tribe' as foretold by Irma at the end there. I wonder if the writers realised they bit off more than they could chew and curved their ambitions at the last minute?
It does seem like the Ogden story has a few loose ends.. Irma talks about 5 in the house but only she lives there for a while before getting married. After she leaves the only extra person was Eddie Yates!
And here they are, Stan and Hilda.
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Please can you put on the Coronation Street 20 May 1964 and 28 October 1963 please
I wonder why Frieda for Erma ...... Anyone know? ...
I think Hild just made a mistake with her lines, because it was all new to her.
I never ever knew that Irma Ogden was called Freda Irma was a Lancashire lass from my home town I loved watching Irma on tv why she went out of the programme I don’t know 👍👍👍👍👍
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I'm sure the landlord's name isn't Mr Wormhole but ... Even using headphones I can't make it out :))
It is Wormhole.
When did Irma arrive?
27.1.64
I wonder if Martha and Hilda would've got along with each other.
Don’t see why Swendly is measuring the inside leg. Out seemed is more accurate.
You need both measurements to tailor properly.
Inside leg is needed to make way for the crotch area and many tailors ask men which side do you dress....I won't explain why but it's important as to how to place the fly. And it's Arthur Swindley.
They never came tho did they - the rest of the Ogdens
No they never did, most likely they were fostered out to other families eventually and didn't look back.
We did see Trevor, not Tony, probably in the 90s, Hilda tried to get back into contact with him. By then he was married with children, and doing very well for himself, Hilda gave him an expensive watch for his birthday, but when he got home he threw it into his drew, saying to his wife, that it was cheap rubbish, and he would not be seen wearing it.
Trevor (formerly Dudley) Ogden was the son of Stan and Hilda Ogden.
Trevor was fourteen when the Ogdens moved into 13 Coronation Street in 1964; too young to get a job but old enough to want money. Before Leonard Swindley and Emily Nugent married, Trevor tried to sell rice to Stuart Hodges but the lay preacher didn't take him up on his offer. A few weeks later, Ena Sharples caught him stashing twelve bags of onions in the Glad Tidings Mission Hall and demanded 10% of the profits in exchange for her silence. He made no money from the scheme however as he was caught shifting them by Annie Walker, who sacked Irma and Hilda from their jobs at the Rovers when Hilda defended him from Annie's bitter tongue. Hilda and Irma then demanded the money Trevor made from selling the onions (although they were reinstated a few days later).
In September, an unexploded bomb was found in Albert Tatlock's yard, and the residents were evacuated to the Mission cellar. While the houses were empty, Trevor broke in and stole what money he could find, and cigarettes from the Corner Shop. Rather than be caught, Trevor took the money and left Weatherfield, leaving his parents a note saying he'd gone to London.
Trevor spent a while living rough, until he met a man who gave him a job at his coffee shop. He worked his way up to a wood yard, then a builders yard, then an office, continuing in the building trade. By 1973, he was an estate agent and lived in a detached house - 2 Avondale Avenue, Chesterfield - with his wife Polly and their son Damian, who was born that year. Trevor met Polly when he had a cyst operation carried out in a hospital where Polly worked as a nurse. When he married Polly in 1971, he told her that his parents were dead, although he did write a letter to Stan and Hilda that year before marrying, which he thought they'd ignored as he never received the reply they sent.
At the end of 1973, just before Christmas, Polly answered the door to Stan and Hilda, who had tracked Trevor down to Chesterfield as they wanted to reconnect with him after nine years. The initial exchanges were awkward as the elder Ogdens didn't know that Trevor had married or that they were grandparents, while Polly was interested in why Trevor had written them off but didn't want Stan and Hilda to know he had. When Trevor arrived home, he wasn't happy to see his parents but he was polite with them, although he was visibly embarrassed at the reminder of the working class community he'd abandoned. When alone with Polly, Trevor was more vocal, warning her that if they let Stan and Hilda into their lives they'd never be rid of them. Polly admitted that she didn't like them much either but that she wanted to invite them to stay the night as it was getting late, but Trevor was against this and rushed them out of the house before their dinner guests arrived. There was friction between father and son as Stan was very aware that Trevor was only tolerating them, and Trevor blamed Stan for his failings as a child. This was exacerbated when Polly let slip that she'd been told Hilda and Stan were dead, and they left shortly thereafter.
Trevor paid occasional visits to Weatherfield, usually when he wanted something. In December 1975, while pregnant with their second child, Polly was admitted to hospital with Toxaemia. Trevor asked the Ogdens to spend Christmas in Chesterfield, which delighted them, and came up to Weatherfield to watch Hilda in the Community Centre's performance of Cinderella. He waited as long as possible before telling them about Polly's illness as he knew Hilda would realise he was really asking her to look after the house and Damian while he worked over Christmas. Hilda was hurt when he revealed his real motive for asking, but she went to Chesterfield anyway. In January 1976, Polly gave birth to a daughter, Jayne.
Trevor brought Damian to No.13 in 1983, shortly after the death of his Uncle Archie, Hilda's brother. He asked them if they could look after Damian while he attended a job interview and Hilda was more than happy, although Stan was suspicious, knowing Trevor was only there for Archie's money from his will. Trevor then asked Hilda for a loan of £2,000, but they didn't have the money and Stan told Trevor that even if they did have the money, they wouldn't give it to him.
Trevor returned again over a year later for Stan's funeral, without Polly, Damian and Jayne. He couldn't resist but to express his disappointment that his sister Irma couldn't come to the funeral (although she had sent a telegram to her mother from Canada where she had now chosen to settle down and start afresh). After the funeral, he didn't stick around and went home. In October 1986, Hilda was drafted in again when Trevor and Polly went on holiday for two weeks without the kids.
Trevor ogden 1964
Jonathan Collins as Trevor
Trevor was played by Jonathan Collins (right) in 1964 and Don Hawkins (infobox) in the character's return appearances from 1973 to 1984.