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I'm getting the sense that it's quite difficult to make a home of this size with sliding walls and all, that can handle the stress of being towed all over the place. It's asking a lot of rather lightweight walls and framing. Or at least to get it right every time, the builder costs/hours would be much higher, and materials of a heavier weight/strength, which could cause issues towing. Up until recently I'd rather travel using AirBnbs which we use all over the world, until the cleaning fees and all shot way up. Sadly now budget travelling has gotten real difficult.
They should do a buyback. The real issue is this should never have passed even a basic QC check. They obviously don't care about making a quality product.
Crim then most of the campers built would fall under that classification. They do not have but a handful of guys reworking campers on warranty. So they just play the numbers game.
@@thomaswilson8634 If they actually built them with quality and workmanship in the first place, they wouldn't have issues like this. If people knew how bad the materials and construction were on most RV's, they'd never buy them.
Because of you, you helped my daughter and son in law when they were going to buy a camper. They didn't know you could get someone that specialized in camper inspection and found one to inspect the camper they were interested in. The inspector found many problems with it and backed out. Thank you for your channel!!!
I'm in the process of buying a new RV. I found the one I want and had an inspection done, per your advice. The inspection turned up several deal-breaking issues. On Monday, the next van will be inspected and, with any luck, it'll be a better one. I can't help but think that I might've ended up on Liz Amazing if I'd bought the first van without an inspection. Thanks your for all you do, Liz. You're amazing!
Forest River should buy back their unit for what they paid for it and even compensate them for what they paid to have things fixed plus the losses of food and any lodging cost, at the very minimum! This is absolutely unconscionable! My heart ❤️ goes out to this lovely couple. I would never buy any Forest River product anyway. They have been fraught with problem RV’s for years now
LIz. Congratulations again on your reaching 150K subscribers on this You Tube channel. All of your hard work in helping others has created quite a following for your efforts. Well deserved, and keep the channel growing. A+
NHTSA would be limited to issues on the truck end of the RV such as class B/ class A/ Super C powertrain and chassis. They are not involved with the " home end" of the build. That falls mostly on States Attorney Generals Offices consumer protection divisions. Most are built in Indiana, so good luck with an AG receiving RV industry campaign support.
If they get a mold test, make sure it is a suspended particle test. They use a special device that sucks in air into a special filter. That filter is sealed and sent to a laboratory for testing the mold test that you get at Home Depot is only good if a piece of mold just happens to fall onto the dish. Also make sure they take a battery powered leaf blower and blow into the air conditioning ducks to loosen up any possible mold do that all the nooks and crannies as well. The air circulating in the RV at least 24 hours prior to the test, this way you’ll ensure you have a good outcome whether it be positive or negative. I have first hand knowledge of having the old test done in my apartment and it tested positive for mold.
Wow, I had been thinking about a Forest River 5th wheel, so THANK YOU for showing me this! Good luck to this couple and please thank them for letting us know.
I bought a Little Guy Mini Max in 2022 and had a few issues that were fixed by warranty but nothing since....you are right, small builders are much better than the big guys.
I was without my RV for at least 6 months and forest river did nothing, I still had to continue making the payments on it. The awning collapsed onto my brand new pickup truck and damaged it, my floor caved in just like these guys, my black tank valve was seized four times in a row, after being fixed 4 times. My backsplash also peeled off behind the stove and oven. The water heater crapped out twice. The furnace crapped out twice, and all of this was in the first year of owning. It was literally the worst experience of my life and because of it I will never ever buy a new RV and I suggest nobody buy a new RV
The fact that people are still buying them even with all the info out there means that will never happen. Will always have people that think newer is better.
@@ralphp3057 People making videos gets the word out. I have already heard of people backing out of getting rigs or the newer ones and going for 10 to 20 years old and remodeling themselves because of how bad the newer ones are. Even Scotty Kilmer that covers vehicles mention how bad they are now.
Well, that’s the thing, I really don’t think now is a good time to be buying anything that is mass produced. But there are lots of independent RV manufacturers who build quality and take care of their customers. Keep watching and I talk about exactly that with SimpleCamp.
@@LizAmazingLiz, it would be so helpful if you could give us a list of independent RV builders. I know you mentioned one in this video, but a van would not work for a family traveling a lot. Want to drop some names
Scamp Trailers has been a small family owned builder since the 70's. Based in Backus Minnesota they build small fiberglass ( egg shell) campers that allow factory tours. They have a very loyal customer base.
Pretty sad they have to go through that. Without a doubt the lemon law, needs to on anything that is on our roads with wheels, my best to them and good work liz!
Due to all the issues on this amazing channel, and other word of mouth, you must do a pre-purchase inspection. I feel bad because alot of these items would have been caught before they purchased.
You should not have to have a brand new unit inspected. The companies are required to provide what they advertise. I’ve bought new cars and never had them inspected privately a brand new RV should be safe and be EVERYTHING the company says it is. My gosh, it was brand new, not used.!
For these serious issues to happen with a unit supposedly only a month old when sold and two weeks in service is criminal. That floor had been soaked and rotting for more than 6 weeks
Liz, you continue to do amazing work!! Forest River should definitely do a buy back! Soft doors are indicative of ALOT of leaking water. I pray FR will do the right thing and give them their money back. Keep doing what ur doing Liz!!!
I had a 2009 heartland bighorn that was built like a tank. I bought a new 2021 heartland milestone that was cardboard and tissue paper and sold it 5 months ago and fortunately it was on a permanent site as it probably would implode if it was going to be towed routinely. I'm done with RVs for the foreseeable future until quality returns.
This is why I’ve been saying it’s probably not a good idea to buy anything out of Elkhart these days, or anything mass produced. Fortunately, there are lots of independent RV makers like simple camp who provide the quality and service.
I made the mistake of my life when I bought a 2012 Big Horn 3610 RE Fifth wheel .It was brand new and a full load all optioned 5th wheel. We had just retired. It was a piece of junk from day one.We had it for 5 years warranty work was non existent.....GOOD BYE !
If you want a small camper that is extremely well-made, look at the all fiberglass Casita. Reasonable cost and they hold their value extremely well. Look them up.
When there is a defective unit like this one, the manufacturer should take it back, so they can analyze it, and find out why the build quality was so low and how they can fix that!
I am not getting the impression that they give a damn about the consumer in the first place. Yet the buyers continue not doing due diligence and signing in the fitted line without even testing the unit fully first. Why should the manufacturer change. The average consumer is predictable.
These poor people, it’s not enough that you have to worry about every day life. Groceries, Work, kids, life on top of that you got to deal with all of this crap. Good luck.
These two seem like very reasonable people. I'd probably be having a meltdown. I'm going to have faith Forest River is going to step up and do the right thing for them. Having such a good attitude and staying cool-headed should count for something.
Wow-they’re so calm talking about all these issues they’ve been having… even in the videos when they’re recording things literally going wrong in real time. I would definitely not be that calm and even keeled going through that
Most new RV's are junk, our friends bought a new 5th wheel last year, they've had nothing but problems with it and have been back to the dealer time and time again trying to get things fixed. My husband and I camp out of a 1993 Elkhorn camper, we paid $850 for it about 6 years ago, the original fridge finally died after 31 years, everything else still works great.
I was concerned when I saw the wheel bearing issue that they are having. This is a safety concern that shoulld be addressed before towing the trailer to a new location. Also, if one wheel is like that, what about the other wheels? Even if it is as simple as having a wheel seize up while on the road, it would not be an easy or cheap fix. If I was in this situation., I would seriously consider having the trailer inspected before moving it from it's current location. Hopefully the inspection will identify any safety issues that are present so that they can be fixed as soon as possible and to provide a comprehensive list of everything that needs to be fixed. They can then use this document to show proof to the vendor that such problems actually exist.
Part of the issue is that they put such garbage axles on most of these. Even the best ones are supposed to be serviced every 12,000 miles or so. They don't exactly emphasize it, but if you don't have it done, it can void your warranty.
Being in the Automotive sector I feel the best thing for Forest River would be to "Trade/Upgrade" the couple's "Problem Plagued" unit with an Upgraded new unit from Forest River. This would show Forest River stands behind their product and is confident of their product. This would also keep the couple within the Forest River "Family". Can you imagine if the trade/upgrade happened? Not only would you, Liz talk about it so would the couple to all the Friends/Family and people they come in contact with at the campgrounds.... This happens all the time with the OEMs of cars/trucks, so why not with Campers/RV's? When will RV manufacturers going to get with the times?
Thanks for "going to bat" for all these owners! My wife and I owned two Airstream trailers, and had a number of quality control issues with them. We did the math, sold the trailer and tow vehicle 2020 F-350.....we had approx. $160K invested. Now we are slow travelling twice a year. With that no maintenance fees, insurance, fuel, camping fees.....life is good! Love what you do, until these companies retool their entire process, these issues will continue.
I was wondering when Forest River would make the channel...here we are. I love that sponge floor. To contrast our 18 ROO has a floor as solid as rock. We were tempted to buy a Roockwood Mini Lite....not happening.
I did a couple videos a while back about Riverstone, but that's been about a year. Glad you are happy with your ROO! Happy travels and thanks for watching.
If k ever do buy a camper, it will be a before covid camper, and i would have it inspected, but i think i will buy a van and build it myself. Thank you, liz. You do so much. Congratulations on 150,000 subscribers.
My 1976 Coachmen Cadet 20 footer was 13 years old in 1989. I LIVED in it 3.5 years. No problems at all. No leaks, no floor issues. I did not maintain it either. I kept it clean in and out but didn't know what to maintain. The person who bought it moved it to a lake and lived in it for many years. I think it had crappy materials too. Not sure why mine was so good but I loved it. I loved the floorplan too. If they made it today I would buy it again.
After some research, I found too many complaints about Forest River. None of the RVs at this price range are built with any real quality, but Forest River was one I avoided. Glad I did.
Just fixing the floor alone would require welding ribs from one side of the frame to the other. The manufacturer and/or dealer aren’t going to do that. A Buy Back is the only solution,
Liz Amazing, Yes you are AMAZING, helping all those wonderful people❤. I've been watching your videos for a while now, and what I see is 90% of the problems are caused by the frame twisting & turning or just plain breaking. If the foundation is no good then everything falls apart.
Forest River should buy back as this is a Lemon. We’ve had 4 Forest River trailers and love the quality, so Forest River do the right thing for these people.
Thanks again Liz❣️ we will NEVER buy an RV. The “dream” that we had seems too easily to become a “nightmare”….. PS I went on the simple camp website after watching this video. I want them to see more “hits” after your video was posted!
I spend the winter months in south Nevada in an RV resort of roughly 350 units, plus park models. We know quite a few folks with new rigs being 5th wheel or bumper pull and seriously all they ever talk about is the new issue with their rig, while we sit in our 2009 Country Coach Motorhome with no major issues for years. Certainly not to say that issues don’t come about from time to time. I guess my point is build quality is not what it once was. We did our time with new 5th wheels and got tired of waiting months to get our rig back from having warranty work done.
Don't be surprised if RV returns, from the factory, with new issues. Make sure they Add more time to your original warranty before accepting it back. Get it in writing and make sure wording specifies it is added/extended from the ORIGINAL warranty.
My Forest River is absolute junk too. It has cost me thousands of dollars in repairs every single time I take it out since 2018. I’m currently waiting to get it back from the shop and then I’m selling it. I’ve hit my limit with it. The lack of confidence in it has ruined the RV experience for my wife and I.
They should take the unit back -- just to save the company name. I think the company should exchange for another same unit -- not a full buyback because they know better than to not have an inspected. Liz - I think you are the best, but this person knows better (9:10) --
We RVers need to just get together and come up with a class action lawsuit...it's very disappointing how quality has gone downhill in the RV Industry and the prices continue to go up. Buyer Beware, if you do buy an RV have it inspected prior to purchasing. If the dealership doesn't agree to an outside party inspecting the RV...don't purchase an RV from that dealership. Keep in mind , the more creature comforts you have, the more issues you may have. With that being said, try renting different RV's prior to purchasing, because you will experience your likes, dislikes, needs, comfort, and most important...Reliability. Love this RUclips channel, great jobs keeping us RVers informed about what is happening in the RV Industry.
I love that your helping people- by shining the light on how despicable rv mfg. Companies are, and they're abysmal quality, of they're. Rvs. ! Important work. !
There are no such thing as building codes, or a code inspector, for RV's. They are slapped together and rely on the dealerships to fix the low quality assembly. Speed and profit is the ultimate goal at the manufactures.
I am glad to see you commenting on what RV dealerships in RV builders are doing can you recommend to me any RVs dealerships or companies that are good for class b RV
I had a Jayco Terrain. After my experience with both Jayco and Mercedes, never again. Looking to get a nuCamp Tab 320 which I’ll pull behind my Honda ridgeline
Only thing I would accept for this "brand new" unit is a buyback. I have owned a 2015 motorhome for 7 years now and have never had any quality issues. Very sad.
I feel this manufacturer should at the very least offer two choices: 1. Full refund for the complete unit plus refund for payments made to-date or... 2. Replacement unit with credit for payments made to date My heart goes out to Richard and Andrea along with everyone else experiencing such unacceptable quality issues with their new RV's (bumper pull, 5th wheel, or fully drivable). Thank you, Liz, for all your efforts standing up for the community. You are truly a wonder person! Richard said it well 9:13. On that note, when my wife and I finally pull the trigger jumping into this wonderful community, we will most likely purchase an older unit and renovate the interior for sure!
I have a Forest River and noticed insulation is almost non-existent. You freeze in the winter and summer the dual AC's never cycle off. Peeling wallpaper seems to be an issue in the forums as well as mine. Forest River is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway so I would hope Warren would build a quality product but it doesn't look that way. I'm comparing this to the Montana that I had which was a vey well built coach.
Crapification, ie to hold soaring costs down, manufacturers cut corners until, well, you have this! And it's in virtually everything, bought 4 security camera's couple months ago, already threw away 2 for bad boards....After 4 Months LOL!
Forest River did an "independent" mold test when my Cedar Creek Cottage 40CCK was at factory. I recommend hiring someone yourself. Any test done by FR will say no mold and just support their case against you.
For every “bad” rv there’s hundreds if not thousands that buyers are not having problems with. I’ve had 2 new travel trailers since 2020 and nothing major wrong with either one. Don’t let this ruin your dream!
I feel these folks pain. Our previous RV was a Forrest River Berkshire Class A. These problems don't surprise me, ours also had numerous issues that should never have been present. In our case, a simple factory QC check before shipment would have revealed many of the issues, but that was clearly not done. We've since traded that unit on a much better Class A brand and have had a completely different experience.
Thank you for sharing. This is just unacceptable by any means. Manufactures don't care to address. They are going after State laws that are in favor of the purchaser.
Forest River Inc. recently announced that they were closing both RV factories in California, which results in 400+ people losing their jobs. Both the Rialto and Hemet facilities will be closing on December 13th. Forest River will no longer have any mfg. facilities in California. A service center in Hemet will remain open. The nearest factory to California will now be in Indiana after this consolidation. This likely is just from a slowdown in RV sales throughout the industry. It was a hot market after Covid hit and industry insiders felt the boom couldn't last forever.
Well dang I have a 2014 spree connect 280 with a massive solar system 1600w solar thats expandable to ground mount and 15kwh battery 3000w inverter and i run my AC through the night. i have not had much wrong with mine and we travel a lot with it. guessing 10 years ago was the sweet spot.
I am currently looking for a nice used unit, I spent 45 years in home construction and know what good looks like but I still would hire an independent inspector because that’s what they do.
I would absolutely love to hear from someone that works at one of these facilities, building RVs. How is management?Who is assembling these RVs? How much is hourly pay? What is the cause of these disasters on the ground level?
A buy back is warranted. With all the problems I see here on new units I am so afraid to buy anything. Simplecamp looks like a great company to buy from from what I see here.
Bought a 2016 coachmen leprechaun 25ft class c early this year and so far so good. Heard and seen too many stories of theses Covid era RVs 😬which is why we bought used and older than 2020
I had a forest river sierra 5th wheel , regretted buying it as well. There is no way to get any type of paperwork to show where anything is located , much less having access to repair or replace it .
We bought a 2020 forest river Brookstone.Every single window leaked. Turned the floor to mush in the basement. Forest river left the repairs on me. I was thinking about buying a new fifth wheel recently but with the lack of manufacturer follow through and the severely compromised quality across the board I’m just doing Airbnb’s. I may consider a Brinkley.
Seems like those of us that are the consumers should join forces and create our own high-quality RV manufacturer for which the bylaws would require it cannot be sold outside of the grass-roots shareholders -- never selling to a holding company nor a competitor. Great work as always, Liz.
Liz, what about a lobby group , go to Washington and force them to have the same safety standards then automobiles. I always tell my wife that our class A is a death trap and that an Angel keeps us alive, it’s terrible
If it’s falling apart like it is then the factory should but the unit back. Even if you get an inspector to look at a unit new they won’t be able to see anything wrong because it’s not in use.
An inspector probably won't catch those problems with a new trailer. The problems seem to come after they use for a time. Used trailer an inspection would be a good idea.
After looking at trailers at our local dealers, I would not purchase anything coming out of Indiana. We decided to drive 2000 miles to purchase a Casita from the factory in Texas. Yes, it’s small but now it’s just the wife and I with our 15lb dog we really don’t need the space of a large trailer. A bonus feature is the truck and trailer fit into two standard sized parking spaces.
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Winnebago responds: ruclips.net/video/v8hohwpngCE/видео.html
Airstream nightmare: ruclips.net/video/nzHecYtY-U8/видео.html
Jayco trailer trouble exposed: ruclips.net/video/N9X64yA-WAw/видео.html
Winnebago gave them a nightmare! ruclips.net/video/XnBLY6r69l8/видео.html
The ugly side of getting a buyback: ruclips.net/video/w6hr9-p_w2o/видео.html
Our new RV NEVER left the dealer: ruclips.net/video/BxCV3-wKdR4/видео.html
Super C RV nightmare: ruclips.net/video/jocrCIzwa9Y/видео.html
This video caused Jayco to buy it back: ruclips.net/video/4L6i4yr4wx0/видео.html
This video caused Alliance to buy it back: ruclips.net/video/PV_ytjlyZ7w/видео.html
This video caused Fun Town RV dealer to buy it back: ruclips.net/video/XeiF6lnuyOY/видео.html
This video caused Tiffin to buy back an $800,000 motorhome: ruclips.net/video/TO3Uu-KcQLA/видео.html
This video caused Jayco to buyback a $250,000 Super C: ruclips.net/video/jocrCIzwa9Y/видео.html
This video caused Blue Compass RV dealer to buy it back: ruclips.net/video/BxCV3-wKdR4/видео.html
This video caused Jayco to buyback a travel trailer: ruclips.net/video/N9X64yA-WAw/видео.html
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$100,000 for a RAM van? Insane.
@@kerplunk38880 That’s half the price of many alternatives, such as a Chinook van.
I have always wanted an RV. Whenever I get really tempted to buy one I watch one of Liz's videos and feel so grateful I have never bought one
Well said.
I second that motion.
Don’t buy new. I look at 2012 to 2018.
I'm getting the sense that it's quite difficult to make a home of this size with sliding walls and all, that can handle the stress of being towed all over the place. It's asking a lot of rather lightweight walls and framing. Or at least to get it right every time, the builder costs/hours would be much higher, and materials of a heavier weight/strength, which could cause issues towing. Up until recently I'd rather travel using AirBnbs which we use all over the world, until the cleaning fees and all shot way up. Sadly now budget travelling has gotten real difficult.
Agree. My life dream to own one. Not anymore.
They should do a buyback. The real issue is this should never have passed even a basic QC check. They obviously don't care about making a quality product.
Crim then most of the campers built would fall under that classification. They do not have but a handful of guys reworking campers on warranty. So they just play the numbers game.
@@thomaswilson8634 If they actually built them with quality and workmanship in the first place, they wouldn't have issues like this. If people knew how bad the materials and construction were on most RV's, they'd never buy them.
Because of you, you helped my daughter and son in law when they were going to buy a camper. They didn't know you could get someone that specialized in camper inspection and found one to inspect the camper they were interested in. The inspector found many problems with it and backed out. Thank you for your channel!!!
A small price to pay to avoid years of misery.
Who do you call for something like that ?
I'm in the process of buying a new RV. I found the one I want and had an inspection done, per your advice. The inspection turned up several deal-breaking issues. On Monday, the next van will be inspected and, with any luck, it'll be a better one. I can't help but think that I might've ended up on Liz Amazing if I'd bought the first van without an inspection. Thanks your for all you do, Liz. You're amazing!
Glad to hear this, thanks so much for your comment. Happy RV shopping and hope to see you on the road.
Forest River should buy back their unit for what they paid for it and even compensate them for what they paid to have things fixed plus the losses of food and any lodging cost, at the very minimum! This is absolutely unconscionable! My heart ❤️ goes out to this lovely couple. I would never buy any Forest River product anyway. They have been fraught with problem RV’s for years now
LIz. Congratulations again on your reaching 150K subscribers on this You Tube channel. All of your hard work in helping others has created quite a following for your efforts. Well deserved, and keep the channel growing. A+
Buy-Back! No if, ands, or buts! Keep up the great work Liz.
Thanks Steve. Please share if you can to help grow the reach of this video.
It’s time for the NHTSA to get involved. These things are a hazard, not only to the owner but to those traveling near one.
Yes, that’s a very important part. Thanks for watching. And stay tuned.
NHTSA would be limited to issues on the truck end of the RV such as class B/ class A/ Super C powertrain and chassis. They are not involved with the " home end" of the build. That falls mostly on States Attorney Generals Offices consumer protection divisions. Most are built in Indiana, so good luck with an AG receiving RV industry campaign support.
@@ronhall3686 I’m suggesting those current parameters and rules need to change.
Agreed & together with the FTC 😮
Forest River should make these people whole and buy back their RV.
This channel is becoming my guilty pleasure
Thanks for being here!
If they get a mold test, make sure it is a suspended particle test. They use a special device that sucks in air into a special filter. That filter is sealed and sent to a laboratory for testing the mold test that you get at Home Depot is only good if a piece of mold just happens to fall onto the dish. Also make sure they take a battery powered leaf blower and blow into the air conditioning ducks to loosen up any possible mold do that all the nooks and crannies as well. The air circulating in the RV at least 24 hours prior to the test, this way you’ll ensure you have a good outcome whether it be positive or negative. I have first hand knowledge of having the old test done in my apartment and it tested positive for mold.
Wow, I had been thinking about a Forest River 5th wheel, so THANK YOU for showing me this! Good luck to this couple and please thank them for letting us know.
I bought a Little Guy Mini Max in 2022 and had a few issues that were fixed by warranty but nothing since....you are right, small builders are much better than the big guys.
I love those little campers! If I were going to invest in one, it would be something like yours.
My wife and I are going through the exact same thing on a 2025 Forest River Grand Surveyor 305rlbs. Demand buy back!
Hard to believe a brand new rv would have this many problems. That's outrageous.
I know it. For that amount of money you want it right. Thanks for watching.
Unfortunately this is what "American Made" often looks like.
I have a similar model and all of the exact same problems, every single problem. They are junk
I was without my RV for at least 6 months and forest river did nothing, I still had to continue making the payments on it. The awning collapsed onto my brand new pickup truck and damaged it, my floor caved in just like these guys, my black tank valve was seized four times in a row, after being fixed 4 times. My backsplash also peeled off behind the stove and oven. The water heater crapped out twice. The furnace crapped out twice, and all of this was in the first year of owning. It was literally the worst experience of my life and because of it I will never ever buy a new RV and I suggest nobody buy a new RV
@@ryanjean9448 Selling something so flawed, that costs so much money, should be a crime! I can't imagine how frustrating that must have been for you.
Thank you for sharing these Honest real Videos and helping so many! 150k Subscribers! Awesome
Thank you for being here! I couldn’t do it without you.
The customer has the ultimate power here....stop buying these rigs until the build quality & customer service improves greatly
The fact that people are still buying them even with all the info out there means that will never happen. Will always have people that think newer is better.
I don’t think everyone has gotten that memo yet !😬
@@davidb.5544I have to agree especially forest river… companies like Thor, etc I wouldn’t buy for anything
@@ralphp3057 People making videos gets the word out. I have already heard of people backing out of getting rigs or the newer ones and going for 10 to 20 years old and remodeling themselves because of how bad the newer ones are. Even Scotty Kilmer that covers vehicles mention how bad they are now.
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That’s good!👍
I'm convinced there is no good RV company, and these things should be avoided at all costs.. It's a shame.
Well, that’s the thing, I really don’t think now is a good time to be buying anything that is mass produced. But there are lots of independent RV manufacturers who build quality and take care of their customers. Keep watching and I talk about exactly that with SimpleCamp.
@@LizAmazingLiz, it would be so helpful if you could give us a list of independent RV builders. I know you mentioned one in this video, but a van would not work for a family traveling a lot. Want to drop some names
@@TheTuesday11 Newell or Liberty Coaches come to mind.
Scamp Trailers has been a small family owned builder since the 70's. Based in Backus Minnesota they build small fiberglass ( egg shell) campers that allow factory tours. They have a very loyal customer base.
Fiberglass clamshell campers. Old school, high end fifth wheels. Pre-DEF, high end motorhomes. Read, research and learn.
Pretty sad they have to go through that. Without a doubt the lemon law, needs to on anything that is on our roads with wheels, my best to them and good work liz!
How are people STILL NOT getting an independent inspection on these death traps before the purchase.
I guess the word is still not out. I’m making these videos to help educate. Still, it’s on the manufacturer to deliver what is promised.
Impulse buying
Due to all the issues on this amazing channel, and other word of mouth, you must do a pre-purchase inspection. I feel bad because alot of these items would have been caught before they purchased.
I agree. An independent inspection should have found those issues before taking delivery.
You should not have to have a brand new unit inspected. The companies are required to provide what they advertise. I’ve bought new cars and never had them inspected privately a brand new RV should be safe and be EVERYTHING the company says it is. My gosh, it was brand new, not used.!
For these serious issues to happen with a unit supposedly only a month old when sold and two weeks in service is criminal. That floor had been soaked and rotting for more than 6 weeks
I know, it is so scary. Thanks for watching Beverly and stay tuned.
Every time I watch one of these I’m happy to have a little teardrop camper!!
Liz, you continue to do amazing work!! Forest River should definitely do a buy back! Soft doors are indicative of ALOT of leaking water. I pray FR will do the right thing and give them their money back. Keep doing what ur doing Liz!!!
I had a 2009 heartland bighorn that was built like a tank. I bought a new 2021 heartland milestone that was cardboard and tissue paper and sold it 5 months ago and fortunately it was on a permanent site as it probably would implode if it was going to be towed routinely. I'm done with RVs for the foreseeable future until quality returns.
This is why I’ve been saying it’s probably not a good idea to buy anything out of Elkhart these days, or anything mass produced. Fortunately, there are lots of independent RV makers like simple camp who provide the quality and service.
Don't hold your breath.
What a 🍋
I made the mistake of my life when I bought a 2012 Big Horn 3610 RE Fifth wheel .It was brand new and a full load all optioned 5th wheel. We had just retired. It was a piece of junk from day one.We had it for 5 years warranty work was non existent.....GOOD BYE !
If you want a small camper that is extremely well-made, look at the all fiberglass Casita. Reasonable cost and they hold their value extremely well. Look them up.
When there is a defective unit like this one, the manufacturer should take it back, so they can analyze it, and find out why the build quality was so low and how they can fix that!
Yes! That would be a great plan. Thanks for your comment.
I am not getting the impression that they give a damn about the consumer in the first place. Yet the buyers continue not doing due diligence and signing in the fitted line without even testing the unit fully first. Why should the manufacturer change. The average consumer is predictable.
These poor people, it’s not enough that you have to worry about every day life. Groceries, Work, kids, life on top of that you got to deal with all of this crap. Good luck.
I know it. Thanks for watching and I hope to report back with an update.
These two seem like very reasonable people. I'd probably be having a meltdown. I'm going to have faith Forest River is going to step up and do the right thing for them. Having such a good attitude and staying cool-headed should count for something.
Yes. I thought they made their case pretty well. Let's hope that Forest River steps up for them. Thanks for watching, Phyllis.
Should be a buyback! Thank You for your advocacy! RV Industry should start being held accountable for the garbage they are rolloing out the door!
Indeed. If only they would do basic things like put out a quality product and focus on the customer. Thanks for watching and stay tuned !
So glad I went with Scamp. Have had none of these issues and super happy.
My wife and I had planned on purchasing a new Forest River RV but after this video scratch them off our purchase list.
I bet you are so happy to have found this video!!!
Wow-they’re so calm talking about all these issues they’ve been having… even in the videos when they’re recording things literally going wrong in real time. I would definitely not be that calm and even keeled going through that
Thanks Liz for all that you do!!
Thanks for the video Liz. I really hope your channel blows up again. Thank God for your support
Definitely should get a buyback. This is terrible! It will never be right, no matter the repairs.
That’s my concern too. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.
Most new RV's are junk, our friends bought a new 5th wheel last year, they've had nothing but problems with it and have been back to the dealer time and time again trying to get things fixed. My husband and I camp out of a 1993 Elkhorn camper, we paid $850 for it about 6 years ago, the original fridge finally died after 31 years, everything else still works great.
Yep! Hang onto that classic. They knew how to build them back then. Thanks for your comment!
My 1976 Coachmen was problem-free at 17 years old.
I was concerned when I saw the wheel bearing issue that they are having. This is a safety concern that shoulld be addressed before towing the trailer to a new location. Also, if one wheel is like that, what about the other wheels? Even if it is as simple as having a wheel seize up while on the road, it would not be an easy or cheap fix. If I was in this situation., I would seriously consider having the trailer inspected before moving it from it's current location. Hopefully the inspection will identify any safety issues that are present so that they can be fixed as soon as possible and to provide a comprehensive list of everything that needs to be fixed. They can then use this document to show proof to the vendor that such problems actually exist.
Part of the issue is that they put such garbage axles on most of these. Even the best ones are supposed to be serviced every 12,000 miles or so. They don't exactly emphasize it, but if you don't have it done, it can void your warranty.
💯 my thoughts as well! That would be my #1 priority and I would likely have the repair inspected after by an independent third party.
Being in the Automotive sector I feel the best thing for Forest River would be to "Trade/Upgrade" the couple's "Problem Plagued" unit with an Upgraded new unit from Forest River. This would show Forest River stands behind their product and is confident of their product. This would also keep the couple within the Forest River "Family". Can you imagine if the trade/upgrade happened? Not only would you, Liz talk about it so would the couple to all the Friends/Family and people they come in contact with at the campgrounds.... This happens all the time with the OEMs of cars/trucks, so why not with Campers/RV's? When will RV manufacturers going to get with the times?
Thanks for "going to bat" for all these owners! My wife and I owned two Airstream trailers, and had a number of quality control issues with them. We did the math, sold the trailer and tow vehicle 2020 F-350.....we had approx. $160K invested. Now we are slow travelling twice a year. With that no maintenance fees, insurance, fuel, camping fees.....life is good! Love what you do, until these companies retool their entire process, these issues will continue.
I think they should get a buy back . They thought they were getting a new unit ! Not a rebuild new unit . Thanks for helping Liz ! 😁
Keep up the great work!
Thank you for being here! You make this channel what it is. Have a great weekend.
I was wondering when Forest River would make the channel...here we are. I love that sponge floor. To contrast our 18 ROO has a floor as solid as rock. We were tempted to buy a Roockwood Mini Lite....not happening.
Regardless of the brand name, Thor and Rev Group own like 80% of them. Both companies are garbage.
I did a couple videos a while back about Riverstone, but that's been about a year. Glad you are happy with your ROO! Happy travels and thanks for watching.
If k ever do buy a camper, it will be a before covid camper, and i would have it inspected, but i think i will buy a van and build it myself. Thank you, liz. You do so much. Congratulations on 150,000 subscribers.
Agree. Don't buy anything from 2020 and newer.
My 1976 Coachmen Cadet 20 footer was 13 years old in 1989. I LIVED in it 3.5 years. No problems at all. No leaks, no floor issues. I did not maintain it either. I kept it clean in and out but didn't know what to maintain. The person who bought it moved it to a lake and lived in it for many years. I think it had crappy materials too. Not sure why mine was so good but I loved it. I loved the floorplan too. If they made it today I would buy it again.
After some research, I found too many complaints about Forest River. None of the RVs at this price range are built with any real quality, but Forest River was one I avoided. Glad I did.
Forest River needs to step up and buyback this rv. Sickening to see the industry continue to manufacture these products.
I know it. It is so frustrating. I’m hoping Forest River does exactly that. Stay tuned and thanks for watching.
I sadly wouldn't expect much from FR.
they don't care about the product they sell. they just want your hard-earned CASH
Just fixing the floor alone would require welding ribs from one side of the frame to the other. The manufacturer and/or dealer aren’t going to do that.
A Buy Back is the only solution,
Liz Amazing, Yes you are AMAZING, helping all those wonderful people❤. I've been watching your videos for a while now, and what I see is 90% of the problems are caused by the frame twisting & turning or just plain breaking. If the foundation is no good then everything falls apart.
Buy back for sure. Unreal to hear and see the poor quality! Thanks Liz for helping this family!
WOW. Thanks for this info. I will no longer consider this manufacturer for many many reasons.
Forest River should pay them punitive compensation…ridiculous…go Liz…
I know it. They've been through a lot with this. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.
Forest River should buy back as this is a Lemon.
We’ve had 4 Forest River trailers and love the quality, so Forest River do the right thing for these people.
Thanks for this, Bill. I hope Forest River does right by them. Stay tuned.
Wow, what a quality product!
Thanks again Liz❣️ we will NEVER buy an RV. The “dream” that we had seems too easily to become a “nightmare”…..
PS I went on the simple camp website after watching this video. I want them to see more “hits” after your video was posted!
Good on you, Liz!
I spend the winter months in south Nevada in an RV resort of roughly 350 units, plus park models. We know quite a few folks with new rigs being 5th wheel or bumper pull and seriously all they ever talk about is the new issue with their rig, while we sit in our 2009 Country Coach Motorhome with no major issues for years. Certainly not to say that issues don’t come about from time to time. I guess my point is build quality is not what it once was. We did our time with new 5th wheels and got tired of waiting months to get our rig back from having warranty work done.
Love these problem videos. Keep them coming
You are the best
Looking forward to updates on this couple
Yes, thanks Mildred!
Don't be surprised if RV returns, from the factory, with new issues. Make sure they Add more time to your original warranty before accepting it back. Get it in writing and make sure wording specifies it is added/extended from the ORIGINAL warranty.
The wheel bearing issue is indicative of bigger problems. Possibly alignment or bent parts. That alone should trigger a buy back.
My Forest River is absolute junk too. It has cost me thousands of dollars in repairs every single time I take it out since 2018. I’m currently waiting to get it back from the shop and then I’m selling it. I’ve hit my limit with it. The lack of confidence in it has ruined the RV experience for my wife and I.
Congratulations on 150k!!!🎉
They should take the unit back -- just to save the company name. I think the company should exchange for another same unit -- not a full buyback because they know better than to not have an inspected. Liz - I think you are the best, but this person knows better (9:10) --
We RVers need to just get together and come up with a class action lawsuit...it's very disappointing how quality has gone downhill in the RV Industry and the prices continue to go up. Buyer Beware, if you do buy an RV have it inspected prior to purchasing. If the dealership doesn't agree to an outside party inspecting the RV...don't purchase an RV from that dealership. Keep in mind , the more creature comforts you have, the more issues you may have. With that being said, try renting different RV's prior to purchasing, because you will experience your likes, dislikes, needs, comfort, and most important...Reliability.
Love this RUclips channel, great jobs keeping us RVers informed about what is happening in the RV Industry.
I love that your helping people- by shining the light on how despicable rv mfg. Companies are, and they're abysmal quality, of they're. Rvs. ! Important work. !
There are no such thing as building codes, or a code inspector, for RV's. They are slapped together and rely on the dealerships to fix the low quality assembly. Speed and profit is the ultimate goal at the manufactures.
Hi Liz. Congratulations on 150 k subscribers! You worked hard for it! 🥰
TY Liz!!
I am glad to see you commenting on what RV dealerships in RV builders are doing can you recommend to me any RVs dealerships or companies that are good for class b RV
I had a Jayco Terrain. After my experience with both Jayco and Mercedes, never again. Looking to get a nuCamp Tab 320 which I’ll pull behind my Honda ridgeline
Liz has excellent advice...go with a smaller independent company. You might not get the size and fancy look, but will get better quality.
Great job on getting the buybacks, Liz! Would be interested in hearing your thoughts on Tiffin hiring Blue Ox to conduct a couple if QC inspections.
Only thing I would accept for this "brand new" unit is a buyback. I have owned a 2015 motorhome for 7 years now and have never had any quality issues. Very sad.
I feel this manufacturer should at the very least offer two choices:
1. Full refund for the complete unit plus refund for payments made to-date or...
2. Replacement unit with credit for payments made to date
My heart goes out to Richard and Andrea along with everyone else experiencing such unacceptable quality issues with their new RV's (bumper pull, 5th wheel, or fully drivable). Thank you, Liz, for all your efforts standing up for the community. You are truly a wonder person!
Richard said it well 9:13. On that note, when my wife and I finally pull the trigger jumping into this wonderful community, we will most likely purchase an older unit and renovate the interior for sure!
Thanks liz.
I have a Forest River and noticed insulation is almost non-existent. You freeze in the winter and summer the dual AC's never cycle off. Peeling wallpaper seems to be an issue in the forums as well as mine. Forest River is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway so I would hope Warren would build a quality product but it doesn't look that way. I'm comparing this to the Montana that I had which was a vey well built coach.
Crapification, ie to hold soaring costs down, manufacturers cut corners until, well, you have this! And it's in virtually everything, bought 4 security camera's couple months ago, already threw away 2 for bad boards....After 4 Months LOL!
Thankfully your vids are getting out to peeps looking to buy..
Yes, I am hoping to help educate RV shoppers as well as RV owners. Thanks for being here.
Forest River did an "independent" mold test when my Cedar Creek Cottage 40CCK was at factory. I recommend hiring someone yourself. Any test done by FR will say no mold and just support their case against you.
I always thought that I would get an RV when I retire and tour the country... not now.
For every “bad” rv there’s hundreds if not thousands that buyers are not having problems with. I’ve had 2 new travel trailers since 2020 and nothing major wrong with either one. Don’t let this ruin your dream!
I feel these folks pain. Our previous RV was a Forrest River Berkshire Class A. These problems don't surprise me, ours also had numerous issues that should never have been present. In our case, a simple factory QC check before shipment would have revealed many of the issues, but that was clearly not done. We've since traded that unit on a much better Class A brand and have had a completely different experience.
Thank you for sharing. This is just unacceptable by any means. Manufactures don't care to address. They are going after State laws that are in favor of the purchaser.
In most states, there are few to no regulations at all for the RV industry.
We had a couple simple problems with our new Wildwood Forest River 32retx. We have camped 3 weeks with it this year
Forest River Inc. recently announced that they were closing both RV factories in California, which results in 400+ people losing their jobs. Both the Rialto and Hemet facilities will be closing on December 13th. Forest River will no longer have any mfg. facilities in California. A service center in Hemet will remain open. The nearest factory to California will now be in Indiana after this consolidation. This likely is just from a slowdown in RV sales throughout the industry. It was a hot market after Covid hit and industry insiders felt the boom couldn't last forever.
Buy back time!! Forest River...your reputation is on the line. Either you back the product you sell or you don't.
I think it very fair if they make all the payment while it is being fix. But also fix the frame. They should also extend the warranty to 5 years.
Well dang I have a 2014 spree connect 280 with a massive solar system 1600w solar thats expandable to ground mount and 15kwh battery 3000w inverter and i run my AC through the night. i have not had much wrong with mine and we travel a lot with it. guessing 10 years ago was the sweet spot.
I am currently looking for a nice used unit, I spent 45 years in home construction and know what good looks like but I still would hire an independent inspector because that’s what they do.
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Thank you, Gene, please share this video to help these folks and the channel.
I would absolutely love to hear from someone that works at one of these facilities, building RVs. How is management?Who is assembling these RVs? How much is hourly pay? What is the cause of these disasters on the ground level?
A buy back is warranted. With all the problems I see here on new units I am so afraid to buy anything. Simplecamp looks like a great company to buy from from what I see here.
Bought a 2016 coachmen leprechaun 25ft class c early this year and so far so good. Heard and seen too many stories of theses Covid era RVs 😬which is why we bought used and older than 2020
I had a forest river sierra 5th wheel , regretted buying it as well. There is no way to get any type of paperwork to show where anything is located , much less having access to repair or replace it .
We bought a 2020 forest river Brookstone.Every single window leaked. Turned the floor to mush in the basement. Forest river left the repairs on me. I was thinking about buying a new fifth wheel recently but with the lack of manufacturer follow through and the severely compromised quality across the board I’m just doing Airbnb’s. I may consider a Brinkley.
Seems like those of us that are the consumers should join forces and create our own high-quality RV manufacturer for which the bylaws would require it cannot be sold outside of the grass-roots shareholders -- never selling to a holding company nor a competitor. Great work as always, Liz.
That’s a great idea Jason! If you watched last weeks video, another idea is to create an RV consumer group. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.
Liz, what about a lobby group , go to Washington and force them to have the same safety standards then automobiles.
I always tell my wife that our class A is a death trap and that an Angel keeps us alive, it’s terrible
If it’s falling apart like it is then the factory should but the unit back. Even if you get an inspector to look at a unit new they won’t be able to see anything wrong because it’s not in use.
That's true. An inspection is not foolproof. It's on the mfr to put out a solid unit from the get go. Thanks for watching, Wayne.
Simple camp needs to make more products
I wouldn’t be surprised if they do! Thanks for watching.
Independent RV Manufacturers:
Airstream, Oliver Travel Trailers, Northwood Manufacturing, Grand Design RV, Newmar, Bison Trailer, KZ RV, Lance Camper, Highland Ridge RV
That back splash speaks volumes, that is entry level all day long
More like tar paper shack level.
Wow!! I will keep my 2015 Cedar Creek Silverback
An inspector probably won't catch those problems with a new trailer. The problems seem to come after they use for a time. Used trailer an inspection would be a good idea.
After looking at trailers at our local dealers, I would not purchase anything coming out of Indiana. We decided to drive 2000 miles to purchase a Casita from the factory in Texas. Yes, it’s small but now it’s just the wife and I with our 15lb dog we really don’t need the space of a large trailer. A bonus feature is the truck and trailer fit into two standard sized parking spaces.