Very impressive technically and especially when she seems even faster with her left hand! Somehow - despite being slower, other pianists like Cziffra manage to be more exciting due to the dynamics and rhythmic nuance/volatility.
Cziffra and the young Horowitz had the best recordings of this, to my taste, even though their playing is completely dissimilar. Cziffra keeps the musical thread going continuously better than anyone else I've heard
Well, very clear and perfectionistic onterpretation, but this moment is supposed to be as monumental, majestic, excentric and evokating as possible! So I prefer Hamelin's version (I mean his recording, not live performance)
Hamelin absolutely butchered this part in every one of his live performances, which speaks to how overrated his technique is. His studio recording is clean, but in my opinion not fiery enough
@@markbui4976 More fiery than Argerich's one. But Hamelin's technique isn't overrated, have you heard his Feinberg sonata 3, His own etudes, Alkan piano concerto, Bussoni piano concerto, or Ives Concord sonata? These are one of the hardest pieces ever, and Hamelin have played them impeccably and flawlessly!!
@@uguslife I have, and his technical displays were all underwhelming (mind you, the pieces you name, though hard, allow performers to mask their technical struggles). The true tests of great technique lie in passages where the mechanical demands are exacting and transparent (for example, the B-minor sonata coda, Schumann's C-major fantasy 2nd movement coda, Hammerklavier, Gaspard). Every live performance by Hamelin of the aforementioned pieces has seen him bungle majorly the difficult parts.
@@markbui4976not every.. Methinks you are jealous. His Szymanowski Berg Medtner etc are mind blowing. His Beethoven is perfect even in Hammerklavier. I suggest cotton buds for ear cleaning
And this is her studio recording which is consirably slower than her crazy 1976 Tokyo live performance where she plays the octaves like a machine gun 🤣
I'm pretty sure this is the right tempo for those of you saying it's too fast. Do you not see the "Prestissimo". Also despite that I wouldn't say this is my favorite interpretation I think it's a bit too light for especially since this is the CODA.
She bangs her way through it as fast as humanly possible and it's terribly unmusical, but she matured as she got older and played increasingly more expressively.
Sono un pochino più veloci di alcune altre esecuzioni ma sono deboli, leggere, ed eseguite senza appoggio delle spalle...si sente lontano un miglio. E verificato ogni volta che in generale, non solo in Liszt, ho ascoltato in concerto questa artista....( Che 50 anni fa mica mieteva, malgrado le vittorie ai concorsi, tutti i consensi degli intelligenti...).
Although technically clean and rigorous, I don’t feel it is the right interpretation of the piece. It seems too focused on technical vigor and less on conveying the meaning that it carries.
@@shevontea this comment basically just shows you don’t grasp the romantic era, or how artists who played with real passion (before recordings was the standard played). I have educational videos on my channel, but I’d read some books: Art of Piano by Neuhaus & Aspects de Cortot by Thomas Manshardt. Also, I’d read several articles by Anton Rubinstein, Lhevinne, Lesechitzky, etc. on etude magazine to learn more. Try to just learn more about music overall, the more you learn the more you’ll realize KZs problems. If you already like his playing I’m not gonna convince you why it’s bad, I’d just study harder and learn for yourself. Also: before you feel the urge to: because a critic or expert said it’s good it doesn’t mean much.
But you know.... piano playing is not piano olympics....the liszt sonata is a sacred piece in the repertoire, to play it with explosive technique, is damaging it....
All this technique for what? No musicality? You can see for yourselves, how she doesn’t do any simply dynamic and musical articulation. She has never played a musical phrase.
@@angryjalapeno so Liszt would want no musicality? no expression? (Either way those annotations are by Liszt’s)“Sometimes more is less”, you can never give me an example of this in music. Why make up such horrible excuses for a terrible pianists/performance?….
@@Rach-Fanatic There is a spectrum of colors between black and white. Yes? Listen to any Liszt with tons of unnecessary pedaling; constant blurring of notes on the left hand. Listen to any Bach played in the traditional piano style of the early 20th century. It's overdone/burnt/ruined.
@@angryjalapeno can you clarify what you mean by your statement, since I do y see any direct answer to my question. Liszt shouldn’t be over pedaled, so is Bach. Liszt shouldn’t be played to fast (with not phrasing) so is Bach. They may be of a different era, but performance of the music still has the same backbone.
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Her technique is so impeccable, my god
Have you heard katsaris's live recording from when he was 22? Equally astonishing stuff
Agree
Very impressive technically and especially when she seems even faster with her left hand!
Somehow - despite being slower, other pianists like Cziffra manage to be more exciting due to the dynamics and rhythmic nuance/volatility.
Cziffra, slower?
agreed.. cziffra is just CLASS on this one
Strength! Females can't play FFF.
Cziffra and the young Horowitz had the best recordings of this, to my taste, even though their playing is completely dissimilar. Cziffra keeps the musical thread going continuously better than anyone else I've heard
Well, very clear and perfectionistic onterpretation, but this moment is supposed to be as monumental, majestic, excentric and evokating as possible! So I prefer Hamelin's version (I mean his recording, not live performance)
Hamelin absolutely butchered this part in every one of his live performances, which speaks to how overrated his technique is. His studio recording is clean, but in my opinion not fiery enough
@@markbui4976 More fiery than Argerich's one. But Hamelin's technique isn't overrated, have you heard his Feinberg sonata 3, His own etudes, Alkan piano concerto, Bussoni piano concerto, or Ives Concord sonata? These are one of the hardest pieces ever, and Hamelin have played them impeccably and flawlessly!!
@@uguslife I have, and his technical displays were all underwhelming (mind you, the pieces you name, though hard, allow performers to mask their technical struggles). The true tests of great technique lie in passages where the mechanical demands are exacting and transparent (for example, the B-minor sonata coda, Schumann's C-major fantasy 2nd movement coda, Hammerklavier, Gaspard). Every live performance by Hamelin of the aforementioned pieces has seen him bungle majorly the difficult parts.
He's got the best technique of any pianist living or dead. Fact!!! @@markbui4976
@@markbui4976not every.. Methinks you are jealous.
His Szymanowski Berg Medtner etc are mind blowing. His Beethoven is perfect even in Hammerklavier. I suggest cotton buds for ear cleaning
Ottave veloci come Cziffra!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Ma a 50% forza.
What's good about this is that she is so assured she doesn't need to cover herself with the sus pedal.😊
thats awesome
She’s really good at playing the piano.
And this is her studio recording which is consirably slower than her crazy 1976 Tokyo live performance where she plays the octaves like a machine gun 🤣
My wrists hurt just listening to this
Combustible in intensity. Its okay for the occasional listen
I'm pretty sure this is the right tempo for those of you saying it's too fast. Do you not see the "Prestissimo". Also despite that I wouldn't say this is my favorite interpretation I think it's a bit too light for especially since this is the CODA.
I agree this is insane, but it makes it sound like in a circus.
Isn't Liszt often like in a Circus? 😅
@@andreas56328 If his music sounds like a circus, the pianist is terrible
@@andreas56328 Nope. But good try
Liszt would admire her
The GOAT, IMO
She bangs her way through it as fast as humanly possible and it's terribly unmusical, but she matured as she got older and played increasingly more expressively.
A huge tragedy that such a great pianist would take one of the most triumphant passages of all time, and play it like practicing scales or Hanon
Gonna take my my whole life to reach this level of dexterity.
Sono un pochino più veloci di alcune altre esecuzioni ma sono deboli, leggere, ed eseguite senza appoggio delle spalle...si sente lontano un miglio.
E verificato ogni volta che in generale, non solo in Liszt, ho ascoltato in concerto questa artista....( Che 50 anni fa mica mieteva, malgrado le vittorie ai concorsi, tutti i consensi degli intelligenti...).
What about Grynyuk 👀
I like how even people who praise this only say wow what a technique. Nothing about music
This isn't St Matthew Passion.
@@angryjalapenoand it's still one of the greatest and profound masterpieces of the piano literature......Argerich is MIDI here
Don't like this. Richter's performance is more in line with Liszt's idea - watch?v=_BKi9L4njZ4
is someone really listening?
Clean and soulless. Listen to Brendel and Arrau. This sonata is about a Faustian journey.
Not Brendel please. He couldn't create the right sound for Liszt
Although technically clean and rigorous, I don’t feel it is the right interpretation of the piece. It seems too focused on technical vigor and less on conveying the meaning that it carries.
Agreed 😎
yeah i still like it but it feels kind of mechanical. zimmerman’s interpretation is much better.
@@shevonteahahaha I like how you just named one mechanical performer for another
@@pablobear4241 how is zimmerman mechanical? he recorded this sonata 76 times until it was perfect.
@@shevontea this comment basically just shows you don’t grasp the romantic era, or how artists who played with real passion (before recordings was the standard played).
I have educational videos on my channel, but I’d read some books: Art of Piano by Neuhaus & Aspects de Cortot by Thomas Manshardt.
Also, I’d read several articles by Anton Rubinstein, Lhevinne, Lesechitzky, etc. on etude magazine to learn more.
Try to just learn more about music overall, the more you learn the more you’ll realize KZs problems. If you already like his playing I’m not gonna convince you why it’s bad, I’d just study harder and learn for yourself.
Also: before you feel the urge to: because a critic or expert said it’s good it doesn’t mean much.
Grynyuk even faster.
Don’t play Liszt if you want to show off.
Liszt played to show off
Way too fast
But you know.... piano playing is not piano olympics....the liszt sonata is a sacred piece in the repertoire, to play it with explosive technique, is damaging it....
Love Argerich but this is not impressive. Too fast. It needs more grandeur.
All this technique for what? No musicality? You can see for yourselves, how she doesn’t do any simply dynamic and musical articulation. She has never played a musical phrase.
Midwits love Argerich. She is an idiot's idea of a great musician
Sometimes more is less. It's not even clear if all those articulations were Liszt's.
@@angryjalapeno so Liszt would want no musicality? no expression? (Either way those annotations are by Liszt’s)“Sometimes more is less”, you can never give me an example of this in music. Why make up such horrible excuses for a terrible pianists/performance?….
@@Rach-Fanatic There is a spectrum of colors between black and white. Yes? Listen to any Liszt with tons of unnecessary pedaling; constant blurring of notes on the left hand. Listen to any Bach played in the traditional piano style of the early 20th century. It's overdone/burnt/ruined.
@@angryjalapeno can you clarify what you mean by your statement, since I do y see any direct answer to my question. Liszt shouldn’t be over pedaled, so is Bach. Liszt shouldn’t be played to fast (with not phrasing) so is Bach. They may be of a different era, but performance of the music still has the same backbone.
Rumour has it that she had Stephen Kovachevich play the octaves, and then it was later added in to her recording
Why would she tho? She's known for a killer octave technique
I think she has better octaves
Find a recording where we can hear his octaves.
Lmao 😂
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