My name is Michael and I reside in the USA, I purchased a RT25 about two months ago and it has been tainted experience for me. I have the ‘basic’ model which I paid $4700 (£3700) and it has had a few issues. The Extended chokes and the removable trigger group are a few. I had to send the gun to the importer here in the U.S. to fix the issue of trying to remove the trigger group and replace the chokes. My gun does not balance on the hinge pin (barrel heavy) and the ‘drop’ on the Comb is too high (43mm vs 35mm for a stock with an adjustable comb). The wood to metal finish is fine but the recoil pad was not fitted to the stock, I am going to replace it with a Pachmayr SC100. On a ‘positive’ note I like the ‘kerstan’ cross-bolt lock up and the trigger is a pleasant 3.75 # with no take-up. In summary, I bought this firearm with my budget in mind as a DT11 is not reality for me!
I personally know a few that went down this path, started out ok, then issues developed. Misfires, quality problems, guns locking up, top lever issues. Getting them fixed was a complete headache all bar one purchased used DT11’s which have been faultless (pre 2018 guns) the other moved over to a used K gun. Maybe they were just unlucky who knows?
I was fortunate enough to shoot those samples at an open day last week. I have to say I was impressed, I never missed a target, which is unusual for me. It’s still a chunk of money but if you are not bothered about brand image you’ll struggle to find a better handling clay cruncher
Another cracking video, seems to be a lot more turkish manufacturers coming into the UK at a very competitive price range for your avrage shooter like myself.
Great videos you are turning out. I learned a long time ago, trying to save a nickel on what you really want will never make you happy. If you really want a DT11 I would pay up for the real thing.
I picked them up at the show. Lovey finish but very dated the chokes are the old Mobil choke copies. Also the lockup gives a bit of a ringing sound. I’ve currently got a DT 11 black which is for sale and I feels so much more refined for a 2017 gun. But equally if they address these issues and took it down to 4k they’d have a great selling gun. Just not worth the money, as you walk out of the shop you’re already losing 20% before you’ve fired it 😊
Thats like comparing a dt11 to an mx12, one isn't better just different feels, me personally i think the pro is the better gun, in the same way i feel perazzi mx12 is better than a dt
This is something discussed in the video. Do you go with a brand new gun to the market under manufacture warranty or do you go for a DT11 that has been well used
@@dave_724 I’m not so at the price point there are a lot of cheaper maybe better guns from more established gun makers, Beretta, Ceaser G, browning, it would be my guess these guns would hold there resale better and have tried and tested for many years,
Be patient, carry cash and you’ll find a good DT11 for similar money. Equally a 694 or Ultra XS Pro for a saving. There’s a lot of alternatives from top brands with good reputations before I’d chance my arm on one of these. Best of luck to anyone that does!
Not sure if you can answer as I’m getting conflicting answers, I’m in the UK and would like to get the beretta 690 black edition, I’ve had a gun shop tell me I can order a new one and I’ve had others say it’s discontinued. Do you know either way?
I’ll stick with my DT11 personally, you can buy a good used ‘real’ DT11 for the new price. Not sure of the copyright situation but I’d be anticipating a stiff letter from Beretta if I were them?
Yes I do understand that, but companies like Beretta invest many £000’s in product development and I personally would not support any company that basically takahes advantage of this and rips other companies off. Each to their own and I’m sure these will sell regardless.Good video by the way as always 🙂
@@iangrant18thats not how it works though, a manufacture patent is what 10 years. After that it is a free for all, anyone is able to copy a dt11/perazzi etc now. Its whether its financially viable, beretta won't be able to do a thing about it. And they all rip eachother off, you think the dt10 was around before the skb top bolt design???? Nope
Es stellt sich doch die Frage was ein Fakeprodukt ist. Mittlerweile gibt es Rolex Fake Uhren, die ein erfahrener Uhrmacher nur noch erkennen kann, wenn es das Uhrwerk öffnet. Diese Uhren kosten oft nur 5-10 %, von dem was die Originale kosten. Auch eine „Fake Flinte“ braucht guten Stahl und schönes Holz, und natürlich Handwerkskunst. Für viele ist ein Markenname wichtig, für mich nicht. Das Produkt muß überzeugen und nicht die Marketingversprechungen. Ich stelle immer wieder fest, das türkische Flintenhersteller einen schöneren Holzschaft anbieten, als so mancher Luxushersteller und für weniger Geld.
Excellent video! What to say.. seems like a real deal! The only remaining thing is the reliability! I have gambled couple of times with unproven things in my life, and mostly I was wrong! So, I do have a conservative opinion now ... but if in a 5 years time.. no one says that thing is a crap... I might get one! - 2nd hand! ;-) Regards from Belgrade! I really like the videos! ;-)
@@iangrant18 easy- the yildiz pro which we have had stripped alongside the Mx12 perazzi which it is a copy of, verneers and feeler gauges show the tolernaces are as good, the metallurgy is the same, they silver solder their barrels. The RT25 will be no different. They reverse engineer an expired patent and use the same steels on the same tooling, have you ever handled these guns? Beretta etc don't have some wonder drug, they aren't as highly finished externally but that is where the differences stop, look to find a genuine story of a yildiz pro having an issue! They have been in market since 2018 and i am yet to hear of one and i am in the trade.
@@MR12GAUGE thanks for your reply, and if you’re in the trade you will have the access and ability to look at things side by side in greater detail than those not in the trade. I suppose there will be also an active market for any form of imitation…gun, watch, handbag, even cars are being copied now…..and especially so if they are cheaper which they often are. I’m still intrigued by your statement that it’s ’putting the wind up the big boys’…..which does imply that the likes of beretta or Perazzi have shared their concerns with you. Would that be correct?
@@iangrant18 dealing with importers, companies such as Beretta do get edgey over these from the fact- for the price of a bare bones 686 you can get into a grade 4yildiz pro. They will never be shy of sales, but as turkish now dominate the entry level/cheap sub 1000 range and alloy actions etc, it is similar to say Kia or hyundai, who now are giants
You could say this about any new gun released. Look at the issues browning had with the 725 when it first came out. Reputation behind the name but the early guns were not right
@@roymartingunsmiths814 But the 725 wasnt anywhere near 5000 at launch and BWM sorted out the issues quickly and FOC. Dont know if you could say the same about these and highland outdoors don't repair or service guns out of warranty. The plus to these is they look alot better than a DT with wood grade and they don't have the ugly blue/yellow line on the action like the DT's.
This seems like another example of a Turkish gun company asking a lot of money for their guns. Are they time tested yet or are they just trying to convince the public to spend more for their product? Gotta watch out for the marketing scams. Probably 50% over priced. Plenty of great Italian guns to consider. Turk guns have a place for sure, just remember buyer beware.
I presume this video has some how caused you offence after your 3 comments. which is amazing seeing as value vs second hand DT is mentioned in the video and lack of reliability history due to it being a brand new gun to the market.
My name is Michael and I reside in the USA, I purchased a RT25 about two months ago and it has been tainted experience for me. I have the ‘basic’ model which I paid $4700 (£3700) and it has had a few issues. The Extended chokes and the removable trigger group are a few. I had to send the gun to the importer here in the U.S. to fix the issue of trying to remove the trigger group and replace the chokes. My gun does not balance on the hinge pin (barrel heavy) and the ‘drop’ on the Comb is too high (43mm vs 35mm for a stock with an adjustable comb).
The wood to metal finish is fine but the recoil pad was not fitted to the stock, I am going to replace it with a Pachmayr SC100. On a ‘positive’ note I like the ‘kerstan’ cross-bolt lock up and the trigger is a pleasant 3.75 # with no take-up.
In summary, I bought this firearm with my budget in mind as a DT11 is not reality for me!
I personally know a few that went down this path, started out ok, then issues developed. Misfires, quality problems, guns locking up, top lever issues. Getting them fixed was a complete headache all bar one purchased used DT11’s which have been faultless (pre 2018 guns) the other moved over to a used K gun. Maybe they were just unlucky who knows?
I was fortunate enough to shoot those samples at an open day last week. I have to say I was impressed, I never missed a target, which is unusual for me. It’s still a chunk of money but if you are not bothered about brand image you’ll struggle to find a better handling clay cruncher
Very much agree with you
Another cracking video, seems to be a lot more turkish manufacturers coming into the UK at a very competitive price range for your avrage shooter like myself.
Great videos you are turning out. I learned a long time ago, trying to save a nickel on what you really want will never make you happy. If you really want a DT11 I would pay up for the real thing.
I picked them up at the show. Lovey finish but very dated the chokes are the old Mobil choke copies. Also the lockup gives a bit of a ringing sound. I’ve currently got a DT 11 black which is for sale and I feels so much more refined for a 2017 gun. But equally if they address these issues and took it down to 4k they’d have a great selling gun. Just not worth the money, as you walk out of the shop you’re already losing 20% before you’ve fired it 😊
Looks a decent gun to be fair as long as it’s reliable. Time will tell!
Spot on with the video mate. Looks a beauty of a gun for the price. And the legend looking in form aswell.
Good old Mr Brammers 💪🏼
Do you sell spare chokes for these?
I'd be amazed if they sell one
Good Day I've notice no re-coil when you shot amazing.
This gun is good for a starter gun maybe.
How does it stack up against the fake Perazzi (yildis pro)?
Thats like comparing a dt11 to an mx12, one isn't better just different feels, me personally i think the pro is the better gun, in the same way i feel perazzi mx12 is better than a dt
Did it say fake on the receiver? How else would you know?
Excellent video, thank you.
I'd be worried about resale value, I think I'd go for a used DT11
Absolutely freekin' agree. Berettas have been around 500 years. How long will Kizilkaya last?
This is something discussed in the video. Do you go with a brand new gun to the market under manufacture warranty or do you go for a DT11 that has been well used
It’s in the budget price point people buying this will be buying it as a first or 2nd gun
@@dave_724 I’m not so at the price point there are a lot of cheaper maybe better guns from more established gun makers, Beretta, Ceaser G, browning, it would be my guess these guns would hold there resale better and have tried and tested for many years,
@@roymartingunsmiths814or a brand new 694 or similar
Be patient, carry cash and you’ll find a good DT11 for similar money. Equally a 694 or Ultra XS Pro for a saving. There’s a lot of alternatives from top brands with good reputations before I’d chance my arm on one of these. Best of luck to anyone that does!
The same people said that about yildiz pro, and they are proving to be very very good guns
Not sure if you can answer as I’m getting conflicting answers, I’m in the UK and would like to get the beretta 690 black edition, I’ve had a gun shop tell me I can order a new one and I’ve had others say it’s discontinued. Do you know either way?
The 690 is no longer in production as well as the 692.
@@roymartingunsmiths814 thank you, then I’ve no idea what the gun shop was going to charge me for 😂
Looks interesting 👍👍
It was
Großartig! Ich würde diese Finte gerne einmal testen.
I’ll stick with my DT11 personally, you can buy a good used ‘real’ DT11 for the new price. Not sure of the copyright situation but I’d be anticipating a stiff letter from Beretta if I were them?
No issue regarding copyright as that action has been around for a long time and used by many others.
Yes I do understand that, but companies like Beretta invest many £000’s in product development and I personally would not support any company that basically takahes advantage of this and rips other companies off. Each to their own and I’m sure these will sell regardless.Good video by the way as always 🙂
@@iangrant18thats not how it works though, a manufacture patent is what 10 years. After that it is a free for all, anyone is able to copy a dt11/perazzi etc now. Its whether its financially viable, beretta won't be able to do a thing about it.
And they all rip eachother off, you think the dt10 was around before the skb top bolt design???? Nope
Es stellt sich doch die Frage was ein Fakeprodukt ist. Mittlerweile gibt es Rolex Fake Uhren, die ein erfahrener Uhrmacher nur noch erkennen kann, wenn es das Uhrwerk öffnet. Diese Uhren kosten oft nur 5-10 %, von dem was die Originale kosten. Auch eine „Fake Flinte“ braucht guten Stahl und schönes Holz, und natürlich Handwerkskunst. Für viele ist ein Markenname wichtig, für mich nicht. Das Produkt muß überzeugen und nicht die Marketingversprechungen. Ich stelle immer wieder fest, das türkische Flintenhersteller einen schöneren Holzschaft anbieten, als so mancher Luxushersteller und für weniger Geld.
Why do you consider the DT 11 infamous?
Another killer video looks a very interesting good tbh
Thank you
I think you will get spanked at upgrade time. i think trade in would be around a grand at best maybe less? Great video though
First thing I noticed was it’s made of wood and metal. A dead giveaway.
For that price, why would anybody want a DT11 knockoff? You can buy a used DT11 or a new Zoli or any other number of guns for not much more.
Turkish delight
Why copy, they obviously have the means to make there own.
The DT11 is a proven, well made and bomb proof clay gun. It’s actually a complement to gun that someone would want to make something similar
I dont think infamous is quite the right word...
Excellent video! What to say.. seems like a real deal! The only remaining thing is the reliability! I have gambled couple of times with unproven things in my life, and mostly I was wrong! So, I do have a conservative opinion now ... but if in a 5 years time.. no one says that thing is a crap... I might get one! - 2nd hand! ;-) Regards from Belgrade! I really like the videos! ;-)
On the up side you would be covered by a good warranty from new
The turks thanks to ease of modern hi tech cnc availability, and materials are really putting the wind up the big boys
@@MR12GAUGE be really interested to see your evidence of this, please do share.
@@iangrant18 easy- the yildiz pro which we have had stripped alongside the Mx12 perazzi which it is a copy of, verneers and feeler gauges show the tolernaces are as good, the metallurgy is the same, they silver solder their barrels. The RT25 will be no different. They reverse engineer an expired patent and use the same steels on the same tooling, have you ever handled these guns? Beretta etc don't have some wonder drug, they aren't as highly finished externally but that is where the differences stop, look to find a genuine story of a yildiz pro having an issue! They have been in market since 2018 and i am yet to hear of one and i am in the trade.
@@MR12GAUGE thanks for your reply, and if you’re in the trade you will have the access and ability to look at things side by side in greater detail than those not in the trade. I suppose there will be also an active market for any form of imitation…gun, watch, handbag, even cars are being copied now…..and especially so if they are cheaper which they often are. I’m still intrigued by your statement that it’s ’putting the wind up the big boys’…..which does imply that the likes of beretta or Perazzi have shared their concerns with you. Would that be correct?
@@iangrant18 dealing with importers, companies such as Beretta do get edgey over these from the fact- for the price of a bare bones 686 you can get into a grade 4yildiz pro. They will never be shy of sales, but as turkish now dominate the entry level/cheap sub 1000 range and alloy actions etc, it is similar to say Kia or hyundai, who now are giants
5000? For a Turkish gun without any reputation to back it? Hard pass.
You could say this about any new gun released. Look at the issues browning had with the 725 when it first came out. Reputation behind the name but the early guns were not right
@@roymartingunsmiths814 But the 725 wasnt anywhere near 5000 at launch and BWM sorted out the issues quickly and FOC. Dont know if you could say the same about these and highland outdoors don't repair or service guns out of warranty. The plus to these is they look alot better than a DT with wood grade and they don't have the ugly blue/yellow line on the action like the DT's.
Ask the importer about spares good luck buy the real thing 5k for a copy nahhhhhhh
Still out of the budget of 99% of people i know
This seems like another example of a Turkish gun company asking a lot of money for their guns. Are they time tested yet or are they just trying to convince the public to spend more for their product? Gotta watch out for the marketing scams. Probably 50% over priced. Plenty of great Italian guns to consider. Turk guns have a place for sure, just remember buyer beware.
I presume this video has some how caused you offence after your 3 comments. which is amazing seeing as value vs second hand DT is mentioned in the video and lack of reliability history due to it being a brand new gun to the market.