I like the idea of a Dragonborn Moon Druid who can wildshape into a Deinonychus (flavored as a little dragon!) and replaces one of their 3 attacks with a breath weapon!
if you want to fly too, turn into a quetzalcoatlus. only thing i don't like about dragon's breath in wildshape is your dC is based on con so it will be low unless you find a shape with high con.
I'm playing a game with some of my friends as their characters from a campaign we did a year ago, their characters were leveled to 20th level and their leader (a dragonborn) is going to love these changes!
Hahaha it does make that option a bit less appealing mechanically. Odd that they didn’t revise it to fit in with some of this new content in this book!
When I need to use NPC or enemy dragonborn, I like to draw from Skeksis of The Dark Crystal or the types of Draconians from the Dragonlance series to add flavor and some surprises.
Gem is definitely my favorite in terms of flavor as well plus resistance to and a force breath weapon is great! However, that metallic option is also looking nasty!
An Amethyst Echo Knight sounds interesting, completely ignoring the "alternative time lines" stuff and flavouring it that your echoes are crystalline copies that you control Telekinetically. Besides, both race and class benefit from a good constitution.
I might have commented on one of your other videos that I am doing an amethyst dragonborn wizard (conjurer) and currently at 6th level. I am using some of the spells from Fitzban. Another idea I came up with today is emerald dragonborn psi-warrior because of their breath weapon. It may end up not working out too well down the road if the immunity esistance to psychic double up. One question I have is does the half-dragon template in the MM work for gem dragons? Half-dragons are mention a decent amount in Fitzban but nothing really new beyond origin stories.
Haha basically a Jedi dragon, eh? I’m all for it! As far as the half-dragon template you’ve mentioned, if that’s in monsters of the multiverse, I actually don’t have access to it yet. But, I would imagine that any playable half-dragon race introduced in there would supersede this one!
@@jasonsumma1530 oh duh haha! The half-dragon in there isn’t a playable race, though. So I’d assume you’d just use the stuff in Fizbans for a character. Of course, if you’re asking for a monster’s mechanics, I’m sure it’s fine to adopt some of the stuff from Fizban’s into it!
Hi Chaos! how's it going? from an optimizer's POV, i dislike the whole con dc breath weapon. thankfully, there's a feat called dragon fear. now with the new breath weapon mechanic of allowing it to be used instead of an extra attack now martial attackers that can use cha as an attack stat (hexblade, magic stone, shillelagh from tomelock) can add a control option (frightened). the extra uses make this a sustainable tactic. while i prefer gem dragons for flavor, for the above tactic, i'd pick metallic dragonborn for an extra use of dragon fear. the above is especially fun on cha based bladesingers as now they can frighten and cast cantrips like eldritch blast with their attack action.
Oh hell yeah!! That turns out a bit specific but I’m sure those builds turn that into bread and butter! Now that all this stuff has changed, I don’t feel nearly as bad about not having dark vision as a Dragonborn-even if it would make sense lore-wise.
@@ConstructedChaos yeah tbh it's weird that they don't have darkvision. it kind of steers dragonborn to be certain casters so they can gain it like warlock (devil's sight), twilight cleric, shadow sorc or basically any caster class that can cast darkvision. if they wanted to be martials, they'd be forced to pick up the blind fighting style and play in melee.
Hahaha they certainly get a lot! I love the idea of races getting this much, though. I think it makes builds feel more unique based on the race option without being as restrictive as the ability score stuff. But I could be wrong haha
@@ConstructedChaos I certainly agree races need that something extra but this might be over doing it just a bit power creep is a game ender. Tho that being said I may allow it for martial classes in higher tier play to stay up with the mages
@@rocknut144 I haven’t seen the changes to the other races in monsters of the multiverse yet but I’d wager we’ll see a lot of power creep there as well-but hopefully only to effectively balance things back out a bit.
@@ConstructedChaos that may be true but i still think effectively being able to cast an aoe spell as part of a (multi) attack action is going a bit far I may allow parts of the new race but not all of it
The new dragonborn really add so much to the race option! Imagining a resplendent knight in shining armor and beautifully clear crystals jutting out from underneath!
@@ConstructedChaos I agree! Wait, correction. Metallic dragonborn were metallic dragons cursed by Bahamut to humanoid form and chromatics were humanoids "blessed" by Tiamat. I messed up my own lore.
This is frustrating I just made this thing now I guess there’s another version from another book so now I have to change it I guess 😤(I’m new to dnd) wish there was more consistency in dnd.
i think flight is always great for utility but for combat i think that's DM dependent. a DM who always structures combats with diversity (there's always ranged attackers or casters) will find flight doesn't do much unless you have a higher base speed while flying. personally, i'm never going to use those breath weapons unless i somehow have a build that has con as the main stat (like some sort of rune knight magic missile build). i'll always be converting those breath attacks to dragon fear (with a cha as the main stat) and if that's the case, i'd pick metallic for the extra use before a long rest.
I don’t know I think it would be a pretty good use of an attack now. I don’t think it is overpowered or anything but if you’re hitting three possibly more with it it’s doing pretty good damage and more than one of your weapon strikes usually. Granted it is on three targets instead of focusing fire which is usually a better strategy. But that’s more what I’m saying with the flight is out of combat. If a build is planning on using the breath weapon anyways flying doesn’t matter that much in combat because you have to be within 15 feet. Unless you’re just strafing through the air whilst using the breath weapon. I played an aberrant mind sorcerer in my last campaign and the telepathic speech came in quite useful a couple times and this one just seems like an upgraded version. Not a sole reason to pick this race but a really good ribbon feature. All together I really like the package. I think I might give the amethyst Dragonborn some thought for one of my next campaigns. Perhaps a barbarian could be cool. Con boosting your ac too seems pretty decent. Also had an idea of doing a dragonborn way of the ascendant dragon monk. If I’m reading it right you could multiattack with breath weapons. Not super strong but seems fun to me.
I’d noticed the change in my Dragonborn character while playing my rebooted Campaign of Tyranny of dragons, due to too many people coming and going from the old campaign. Such a nice difference! 😁
@@ConstructedChaos it’s certainly a nice feeling, and makes me more excited to see about what I can get up to, especially since I got my next game today, so it’s going to be good!!! ^^ The meme squad continues with the legacy of our group known as Bayblade: the most chaotic group of dredged up losers who just might somehow make it if we’re all lucky. 😂
@@ConstructedChaos the name alone says more than enough about the chaos that is our group, and even rebooted, the Bayblade effect and influence lives on, perhaps stronger than ever before!!! 😂 Honestly, it’s naught but pure insanity in our group and I wouldn’t have it any other way. 😁 Dnd will forever be my favourite game to play with the stories born from the events nothing but incredible no matter what. I’d live for nothing else otherwise. That and my fiancé! 😂 all I’ll ever need in life.
I can definitely agree with that from a lore and flavor perspective. The same goes for darkvision with so many dragons having some varying degree of it, blindsight, or even truesight. However, from the perspective of game balance, I think these landed in a good place!
If you want the natural armor, you would take a feat from Xandar called dragon hide. It gives AC 13 + dex bonus but I sort of agree dragonborn should get it. I think the easiest explanation is that it isn't just the scales but also the thicker hide of a dragon which gives the AC.
my dragon people race the draconis are also made from a dragon goddest that created draconic microorganism that evolved over years turning into a draconic fish to next evolved into giant lizard with some draconic parts moveing on to feral dragons dragons that where smart and could make tools and build things with there useing there maw which is the mouth the next where dragonkin the last evolution anthro dragons who acted like cave men they use fire and found out about the wheel also there mind magic power evolved psy magic that is made from the draconic brain that helps with everyday life things
As a DM, all he bonuses the Gem dragonborn get are applied to the regular dragonborn. With the exception of wings as I also remove that form the gem dragons. I really, REALLY hate flight. When player get to high enough level that they can fly (With a wizard flight spell) The need for flight or the benefits for it no longer apply really. Really my drgonborns are optimized with ust different breathweapons PS My Two Favorite Gem Dragon is Amethyst (Force breath weapon) followed closely by Topaz (Necrotic breath weapon)
I still don't like the background of the dragonborn. Like they're good or an outcast in their own society. They are really only design for being a paladin, which I won't allow in a game. I seen player after player playing paladins become a control freak about the other pc's morality. You can't have a rogue in the same group with a paladin. So the paladin is out and by default so is the dragonborn. I like a darker campaign and they just don't fit.
I don't really get that vibe from dragonborn. I've recently played one as a monk, I'm DMing for one that's a cleric, and I've played alongside one that was a wizard. Further, it sounds to me like you had more of a player problem than a paladin problem :/
@@ConstructedChaos I should have mentioned to play as, I feel like a dunce! 😅 I still want people to have the option to play as a traditionally scaly Dragonborn if they want to, I just been wanting to play a Dragonborn that's a bit different from the vanilla ones. I was really thinking of adding 6 more Dragonborn phenotypes based on their skin coverings, but I'm going to speak of 2 other ones that I've been developing, 1 variant being a completely fur covered one that I like to call fuzzballs, the other one has neither scutes/scales, or fur, & is what I dubbed leatherbacks. The 4 other ones just have 1 combination of the 3 other three skin impressions. I'm also modeling mines after Eastern Asian style dragons instead of Western European dragons. Even been thinking about giving them optional superman like flight as a reference to Dragons in Asian folklore & how they can fly without wings. & I did got curious about checking Fizzbans(I hope I spelled that right)Dragonborn just to see what it's all about, & to see if there's some ideas that I want to incorporate into my Dragonborn. If you couldn't tell this is indeed ment for a homebrew, & I've been doing some idea mining. XD
@@xeschire706 I love these ideas and the flavor you’re going for with each. They’d be welcome at my table and I’m stoked that you’re finding ways to make these player options your own!
@@ConstructedChaos If I ever get to play DND at any point, I'm definitely going to be going with a fluffy furred Dragonborn, only because it stands out & is a more unique design. 😁
Finally, I can make a Dragonborn Dragonborn
Hahaha exactly!
I like the idea of a Dragonborn Moon Druid who can wildshape into a Deinonychus (flavored as a little dragon!) and replaces one of their 3 attacks with a breath weapon!
if you want to fly too, turn into a quetzalcoatlus. only thing i don't like about dragon's breath in wildshape is your dC is based on con so it will be low unless you find a shape with high con.
Wouldn’t the breath weapon only be available in the original form
That would make sense, but RAW racial abilities can be used in wildshape, only spells can not.@@dylanfields3858
@@dylanfields3858 nope, it is still usable in wildshape cuz wildshape is wierd.
I'm playing a game with some of my friends as their characters from a campaign we did a year ago, their characters were leveled to 20th level and their leader (a dragonborn) is going to love these changes!
Awesome!! What subrace are they? I wonder how it’ll play with their other abilities and features!
An emerald Dragonborn bear totem barb would be a great build
Agreed! It's definitely one I've considered!
I love the dragon's Breath spell super funny at a low level. Gives me scanbo energy
Hahaha it does make that option a bit less appealing mechanically. Odd that they didn’t revise it to fit in with some of this new content in this book!
@@ConstructedChaos It kinda does. But being able to do multiple breath attacks as an attack action is spicy
Emerald Bear Totem Barbarian. Resists all Damage while raging.
Hell yeah!! It’s a great combo!
Thanks mate I’m playing a home brew dragon turtle born and I love these ideas they will help spice up the dragon half a lot thank✌️🐲
Of course! I'm glad it helped and I'm happy you enjoyed it!
When I need to use NPC or enemy dragonborn, I like to draw from Skeksis of The Dark Crystal or the types of Draconians from the Dragonlance series to add flavor and some surprises.
There’s lots of great inspiration out there and I definitely can’t fault either of those sources! Both legendary material!!
These new DragonBorns are so Fantastic, they even out perform Descending Dragon Monk.
I wish I was kidding.
Haha so do I 😅
I like gem ones, the whole "telekinetic dragon" thing sounds weird, but funny.
Gem is definitely my favorite in terms of flavor as well plus resistance to and a force breath weapon is great! However, that metallic option is also looking nasty!
An Amethyst Echo Knight sounds interesting, completely ignoring the "alternative time lines" stuff and flavouring it that your echoes are crystalline copies that you control Telekinetically.
Besides, both race and class benefit from a good constitution.
@@noditianniz-emir7075 OOOOO That does sound cool!! And Amethyst is my favorite of the gem options--except for MAYBE Topaz!
@@noditianniz-emir7075 I was thinking about a amethyst psi warrior would be really cool and thematic
I might have commented on one of your other videos that I am doing an amethyst dragonborn wizard (conjurer) and currently at 6th level. I am using some of the spells from Fitzban. Another idea I came up with today is emerald dragonborn psi-warrior because of their breath weapon. It may end up not working out too well down the road if the immunity
esistance to psychic double up. One question I have is does the half-dragon template in the MM work for gem dragons? Half-dragons are mention a decent amount in Fitzban but nothing really new beyond origin stories.
Haha basically a Jedi dragon, eh? I’m all for it!
As far as the half-dragon template you’ve mentioned, if that’s in monsters of the multiverse, I actually don’t have access to it yet. But, I would imagine that any playable half-dragon race introduced in there would supersede this one!
@@ConstructedChaos Sorry, I was referring to the monster manual not realizing the new book shares the initials.
@@jasonsumma1530 oh duh haha! The half-dragon in there isn’t a playable race, though. So I’d assume you’d just use the stuff in Fizbans for a character.
Of course, if you’re asking for a monster’s mechanics, I’m sure it’s fine to adopt some of the stuff from Fizban’s into it!
my favorite has to be the gem dragonborns. the flight as well as being able to have a FORCE breath weapon is awsome.
You're not wrong there! I'm coming around to it, myself haha
mine is metallic for another breath use per day which i'd use on dragon fear.
think about an emerald gem dragongorn with path of the totem warrior barbarian.. flying raging and spewing physic damage
@@augusthenriksen2862 Best part there is that if you go straight barbarian it also increases the save DC of the breath weapon.
Yeah I usually just write my own lore for dragonborn In my games and just say "fuck it their human dragon hybrids"
Hahaha honestly, I can't blame you. The real lore is way to silly and complex to pay much heed to if you're already doing some level of homebrew!
@@ConstructedChaos yeah simply saying their hybrids in the same vain as Aaismar, tieflings, and Half orcs. Makes everything alot easier
If my dreams come true, then there will eventually be a kobold dlc for baldurs gate 3
Is there not one already?! What a travesty!
Hi Chaos! how's it going?
from an optimizer's POV, i dislike the whole con dc breath weapon. thankfully, there's a feat called dragon fear. now with the new breath weapon mechanic of allowing it to be used instead of an extra attack now martial attackers that can use cha as an attack stat (hexblade, magic stone, shillelagh from tomelock) can add a control option (frightened). the extra uses make this a sustainable tactic.
while i prefer gem dragons for flavor, for the above tactic, i'd pick metallic dragonborn for an extra use of dragon fear. the above is especially fun on cha based bladesingers as now they can frighten and cast cantrips like eldritch blast with their attack action.
Oh hell yeah!! That turns out a bit specific but I’m sure those builds turn that into bread and butter! Now that all this stuff has changed, I don’t feel nearly as bad about not having dark vision as a Dragonborn-even if it would make sense lore-wise.
@@ConstructedChaos yeah tbh it's weird that they don't have darkvision. it kind of steers dragonborn to be certain casters so they can gain it like warlock (devil's sight), twilight cleric, shadow sorc or basically any caster class that can cast darkvision. if they wanted to be martials, they'd be forced to pick up the blind fighting style and play in melee.
holy crap they get more in race than some get from class lol
Hahaha they certainly get a lot! I love the idea of races getting this much, though. I think it makes builds feel more unique based on the race option without being as restrictive as the ability score stuff. But I could be wrong haha
@@ConstructedChaos I certainly agree races need that something extra but this might be over doing it just a bit power creep is a game ender. Tho that being said I may allow it for martial classes in higher tier play to stay up with the mages
@@rocknut144 I haven’t seen the changes to the other races in monsters of the multiverse yet but I’d wager we’ll see a lot of power creep there as well-but hopefully only to effectively balance things back out a bit.
@@ConstructedChaos that may be true but i still think effectively being able to cast an aoe spell as part of a (multi) attack action is going a bit far I may allow parts of the new race but not all of it
@@rocknut144 I totally respect that decision! D&D is great because it gives us the flexibility to change and shape the rules to fit our games!
Im playing a Crystal Dragonborn War Cleric and its way too fun
The new dragonborn really add so much to the race option! Imagining a resplendent knight in shining armor and beautifully clear crystals jutting out from underneath!
In my games the first metallic dragonborn were humanoids blessed by Bahamut and chromatic dragonborn were humanoids cursed by Tiamat.
Love it when people adapt the lore of this stuff to their games! I think that's the design intention and a missed opportunity when we don't!
@@ConstructedChaos I agree! Wait, correction. Metallic dragonborn were metallic dragons cursed by Bahamut to humanoid form and chromatics were humanoids "blessed" by Tiamat. I messed up my own lore.
@@VBadBaboon "Blessings" = "Good Curses" lol
Upgrade my favorite race the genasi next
This is frustrating I just made this thing now I guess there’s another version from another book so now I have to change it I guess 😤(I’m new to dnd) wish there was more consistency in dnd.
Better in every way??? Giggles in kobold pack tactics 😜😋😜
Hahaha too true. I just wish the most current version of the kobold still had it!
The gem Dragonborn seems really strong. Flight is never to be underestimated. And having a force or psychic breath weapon seems real good
i think flight is always great for utility but for combat i think that's DM dependent. a DM who always structures combats with diversity (there's always ranged attackers or casters) will find flight doesn't do much unless you have a higher base speed while flying.
personally, i'm never going to use those breath weapons unless i somehow have a build that has con as the main stat (like some sort of rune knight magic missile build). i'll always be converting those breath attacks to dragon fear (with a cha as the main stat) and if that's the case, i'd pick metallic for the extra use before a long rest.
At least you’re even tempted to use breath weapons now! Before it was just a waste of an action by the time you got beyond 5th level or so.
I don’t know I think it would be a pretty good use of an attack now. I don’t think it is overpowered or anything but if you’re hitting three possibly more with it it’s doing pretty good damage and more than one of your weapon strikes usually. Granted it is on three targets instead of focusing fire which is usually a better strategy. But that’s more what I’m saying with the flight is out of combat. If a build is planning on using the breath weapon anyways flying doesn’t matter that much in combat because you have to be within 15 feet. Unless you’re just strafing through the air whilst using the breath weapon. I played an aberrant mind sorcerer in my last campaign and the telepathic speech came in quite useful a couple times and this one just seems like an upgraded version. Not a sole reason to pick this race but a really good ribbon feature. All together I really like the package. I think I might give the amethyst Dragonborn some thought for one of my next campaigns. Perhaps a barbarian could be cool. Con boosting your ac too seems pretty decent. Also had an idea of doing a dragonborn way of the ascendant dragon monk. If I’m reading it right you could multiattack with breath weapons. Not super strong but seems fun to me.
I’d noticed the change in my Dragonborn character while playing my rebooted Campaign of Tyranny of dragons, due to too many people coming and going from the old campaign.
Such a nice difference! 😁
Haha nice!! Nothing quite like a mid-campaign upgrade!!
@@ConstructedChaos it’s certainly a nice feeling, and makes me more excited to see about what I can get up to, especially since I got my next game today, so it’s going to be good!!! ^^
The meme squad continues with the legacy of our group known as Bayblade: the most chaotic group of dredged up losers who just might somehow make it if we’re all lucky. 😂
@@CaptainFirespitter hahaha Bayblade might be in my top 5 favorite group names now 😂🤘🏼
@@ConstructedChaos the name alone says more than enough about the chaos that is our group, and even rebooted, the Bayblade effect and influence lives on, perhaps stronger than ever before!!! 😂
Honestly, it’s naught but pure insanity in our group and I wouldn’t have it any other way. 😁
Dnd will forever be my favourite game to play with the stories born from the events nothing but incredible no matter what.
I’d live for nothing else otherwise. That and my fiancé! 😂 all I’ll ever need in life.
@@CaptainFirespitter hahaha always love to hear tales of others embracing the chaos with good friends! That’s what it’s all about!
I always found it irritating that dragon born don't have claws and natural armor. They should be normal racial features imo
I can definitely agree with that from a lore and flavor perspective. The same goes for darkvision with so many dragons having some varying degree of it, blindsight, or even truesight.
However, from the perspective of game balance, I think these landed in a good place!
@@ConstructedChaos the changes to breath weapons are definitely appreciated and give them a good boost I completely agree with that.
If you want the natural armor, you would take a feat from Xandar called dragon hide. It gives AC 13 + dex bonus but I sort of agree dragonborn should get it. I think the easiest explanation is that it isn't just the scales but also the thicker hide of a dragon which gives the AC.
the feat from xanathar's gives them natural weapons (claws) too.
my dragon people race the draconis are also made from a dragon goddest that created draconic microorganism that evolved over years turning into a draconic fish to next evolved into giant lizard with some draconic parts moveing on to feral dragons dragons that where smart and could make tools and build things with there useing there maw which is the mouth the next where dragonkin the last evolution anthro dragons who acted like cave men they use fire and found out about the wheel also there mind magic power evolved psy magic that is made from the draconic brain that helps with everyday life things
As a DM, all he bonuses the Gem dragonborn get are applied to the regular dragonborn. With the exception of wings as I also remove that form the gem dragons. I really, REALLY hate flight. When player get to high enough level that they can fly (With a wizard flight spell) The need for flight or the benefits for it no longer apply really.
Really my drgonborns are optimized with ust different breathweapons
PS My Two Favorite Gem Dragon is Amethyst (Force breath weapon) followed closely by Topaz (Necrotic breath weapon)
I think that sounds perfectly reasonable and Amethyst Dragons in general are my favorite as well. Naturally, that extends to dragonborn :)
Aren’t Dragonborn from another planet?
I don't believe they are, traditionally. But that sounds like a fun bit of lore for a home game or some homebrew!
@@ConstructedChaos I mean the portals started to open between the two worlds.
Crystal dragonborns are going to be good with paladins
The flavor certainly fits well!
I still don't like the background of the dragonborn. Like they're good or an outcast in their own society. They are really only design for being a paladin, which I won't allow in a game. I seen player after player playing paladins become a control freak about the other pc's morality. You can't have a rogue in the same group with a paladin. So the paladin is out and by default so is the dragonborn. I like a darker campaign and they just don't fit.
I don't really get that vibe from dragonborn. I've recently played one as a monk, I'm DMing for one that's a cleric, and I've played alongside one that was a wizard. Further, it sounds to me like you had more of a player problem than a paladin problem :/
I don't want a Dragonborn with scales.
So they’d have skin like humans? Sounds interesting. I’m game!
@@ConstructedChaos I should have mentioned to play as, I feel like a dunce! 😅 I still want people to have the option to play as a traditionally scaly Dragonborn if they want to, I just been wanting to play a Dragonborn that's a bit different from the vanilla ones.
I was really thinking of adding 6 more Dragonborn phenotypes based on their skin coverings, but I'm going to speak of 2 other ones that I've been developing, 1 variant being a completely fur covered one that I like to call fuzzballs, the other one has neither scutes/scales, or fur, & is what I dubbed leatherbacks. The 4 other ones just have 1 combination of the 3 other three skin impressions. I'm also modeling mines after Eastern Asian style dragons instead of Western European dragons. Even been thinking about giving them optional superman like flight as a reference to Dragons in Asian folklore & how they can fly without wings.
& I did got curious about checking Fizzbans(I hope I spelled that right)Dragonborn just to see what it's all about, & to see if there's some ideas that I want to incorporate into my Dragonborn.
If you couldn't tell this is indeed ment for a homebrew, & I've been doing some idea mining. XD
@@xeschire706 I love these ideas and the flavor you’re going for with each. They’d be welcome at my table and I’m stoked that you’re finding ways to make these player options your own!
@@ConstructedChaos If I ever get to play DND at any point, I'm definitely going to be going with a fluffy furred Dragonborn, only because it stands out & is a more unique design. 😁
@@xeschire706 Absolutely it is! I might borrow this idea at some point as well!
More dragonborn
more.....more.....MOOOOOORRRREEEEEE!!! *evil laughter*