When you modify divine commandments and fit them to your whims and vagaries, it no longer remains divine anymore!!! Such simple truths don't seem to prevail!
2:07 “It’s very very hard to take something that has beem prohibitive for centuries and is really clearly prohibited by the Torah, by the Rabbis, by the legal codes, and make it permissible” WTF?!?!?! Done!
I’m a conservative Jew who really doesn’t know how to feel about LGBTQ and Judaism. This video doesn’t help. We are not talking about what the Torah and Sages command of us and that is concerning.
We are not created in the image of god as we are / we are all in a fallen state / the state of Adan/ that is the system we are all in / get it corrected
I like the wording and the meaning of, to the effect, 'If they allow admission for trans people, I need to go.' I think it speaks to a commitment they already held.
@@tudormiller8898 not really. You can’t convert to Judaism and still believe in Jesus. If you don’t believe in Jesus then you might qualify for conversion. Consult with you closest Conservative/Masorti of Reform rabbi.
It is prohibited according to the Torah ! Classic Halachah everywhere in past traditional Judaism ( masorti /Conservative) and all branches of Orthodox Judaism . HaShem gave Chazal authority to pass down Truth according to every facet of life . Study as many earlier sources as you can this modern insanity is relatively new !!!! 😨😢 Wake up Yisroel !!!
@@Eliav-b7c there are many orthodox rabbis who say that same sex attraction isn’t prohibited in the Torah. Only a specific sexual act between 2 men. I’ve studied the “classical halachic texts.”
No one is denying what the Torah states. This is about being inclusive of all ALL people within the Jewish Community. Two different issues you are mixing up.
To put things bluntly as tame as possible and seriously wanting to know/learn.. my question is How can you go and practice sex and then say "Oh praise God?" I lived as a trans for 15yrs and was also a pornographer. I saw and know all that goes on in the gay world of men with poppers, fisting, swapping cm, and blah blah blah.. so again, how can you bipass what even the book of Romans chapter 1 say? How? Please explain! HOW? What goes on through your mind? I don't get it! I battle with gay symptoms but lving a portestan "born again" life and when I slip and do a "quickie" to relive myself I ALWAYS regret it and feel bad. So its ok to have a guy or girl on a sling and buy teh J Lube and slip on some latex glove and then shower and go praise God? Im being serious with my questions.
This is one thing that can push conservative minded use away from the synagogues. The fact that currently only orthodox Judaism seems to fully comprehend that homosexual people should be loved and excepted within the congregation, but not separately celebrated from everyone else.
Judaism doesn't condemn people who are attracted to the same sex. What it does teach is that you should control your urges not to be with the same sex. To be physically intimate with the same sex is totally forbidden by G-d in the Torah and should be discouraged at all costs. Baruch Hashem. All the best
@Kevin Cobb Our understanding of reality and G,d changes, dare I say evolves, with time. We understand now that homosexuality is present in all mammals even lesser beings such as insects like crickets. We understand now that in humans, your brain that by your own understanding G,d gave you, informs your libido from when you’re in the womb, sex is fundamental to every species. It’s deeply engrained in our brains. We understand now as well that your exposure to what hormones in utero will determine the basis of your libido and that in puberty you will develop your secondary traits, also due to molotov cocktails of hormones and also accounts for the diversity of homosexuals and a glimpse into the psychology of (sincere) transgender people who have a ego dominated by their subconscious female/male. I believe it is 100% natural and not a “mockery of creation”. We wrote the Torah and all other scripture to understand our own purpose and our Creator, G,d did not write the Torah we did. You would persecute Jews for something beyond themselves, that is shameful. To say that “man shall not lie with man as with a woman” is the “basis of their whole religion” I mean I think that the essence of Judaism and Jewish identity revolves around a lot more essential topics than ‘we are the people who frown upon gay people’. It’s funny how other laws have been cast aside due to irrelevance but you people hmm this one has to be interpreted literally word for word and apply to lesbians as well. G,d is Life, Life is Creation, respect all humans for they are created in G,d’s image and the divine spark is in us all. Here is where we can agree: we can look at elements of the lgbt sub-culture and say this lifestyle is hedonistic and doesn’t reflect our values as Jews. Ok, then lets learn to foster a room for them so they can live within Judaism and not a cruel automatic exile and rejection. Say yes we believe that you can marry but that means respecting the sanctity of marriage, keep the sabbath, not do drugs and be supportive so they can be Jewish and gay or lesbian. No one has yet shown clinically that kids adopted by same sex couples are some how deranged because of it, other then experiencing homophobia targeted at their parents from other children being told by their parents that its not normal; which they repeat to these children. If there are orphans from broken homes and tragic circumstances who need the bond of parenthood then it is surely tikkun olam to adopt kids so they can have love in their lives after being reject (either voluntarily or involuntarily) by their biological parents. These adoptions will bring more Jews into the world this way isn’t that wonderful? Let Conservative Judaism become the voice of reason the middle ground between extremes, an Oasis in the heat of the desert, or go join your local Chabad there is one everywhere these days and leave the others in peace. !הכל בסדר שלמ
@Kevin Cobb Well, I mean what is reform and conservative Judaism then? But I mean at the end of the day a gay man or woman can follow the Torah and live a Jewish life. They are infertile but so are some straight couples. As I said they can adopt and bring into our world their share of the next generation. Homosexuals who want to be married in shul and have a religious/spiritual life should be applauded and I think the Rabbinate made the right decision. I do believe in G.d and I had a very profound spiritual experience which brought me back to faith from hopeless antipathy. The Burning Bush is my favorite and the most meaningful passage for me. So, I am very spiritual I go to synagogue keep kosher and keep sabbath the Reform way. And I am very happy this way as a Reform Jew. I just think Homosexuals have been misunderstood go check out Jewish Renewal lots of people who escape Satmar et al. end up in the Jewish Renewal and I think they have really got it right. Man, you don’t destroy Judaism by having gay members and couples in your community as long as you are promoting a Jewish lifestyle, a spiritual lifestyle, trust me you are not destroying Judaism but strengthening it. It really doesn’t matter as long as I mentioned before we are talking about encouraging a spiritual lifestyle and not hedonism, again those people won’t be in a shul for shabbat they will be in a nightclub so the idea that allowing for gay couples and families will be nefarious for Jewry is ludicrous to me. Time = Change. Go be orthodox or Haredi if you think and feel that way. Haha…there are a fair few Jewish Masons lol it strengthens their faith and become more spiritual because of understanding G.d through the lens that makes sense to them and is very true to the Torah. You would be surprised there are many orthodox masons its teachings transcend denominations and religions. You see within Masorti/Renewal/Reform the two are not opposed and a homosexual person is a life that already exists, that is a human that deserves to live to their fullest and in dignity. Say a blessing after you poo if you want and that makes you a more spiritual and complete person. Does G.d really care if you do, in an infinite universe of constant destruction and creation? I think you should go check out Renewal man. Yeah, breeding like rabbits to perpetuate the religion, look at Hasidic communities in US they have the most kids amongst Jews but also the highest number of defectors that go towards other Jewish movements, that is if they don’t burn out completely from the abusive treatment that they are afforded…all the broken toys of their communities coming over to other denominations. Gay people should be considered as infertile as that is how they are able to live a happy, honest life true to themselves and not a miserable lie... that is if they could force themselves physically to impregnate a poor woman who will have in reality, an unloving husband. Or a lesbian who feels like she is being raped every time her husband tries to make a baby with her and feels numb inside…what awesome lives they are afforded in your patriarchal breeding machine! Again, again, you say the middle ground between extremes, I also said that Conservative Judaism should stake itself out as the middle ground between extremes and I think this video incapsulates well what being the middle ground looks like etc. etc.
All should be welcome. However, people should keep their sexuality to themselves they should not be pushing anybody’s face. It definitely should not be paraded around the synagogue. Just treat everybody equally Jews. In general are very good at that anyway.
The little hat is a Kippah (pronounced KEEpah). It's meaning isn't from a biblical passage, but rather as a sign that God is above us and watches our every act. It reminds us of the presence of God.
@@Scifiguy11th Its use is still associated with its original meaning; it takes us back to its time in the context of conversation about empowerment, acceptance, progress, it defeats the purpose of everything else. It defeats the purpose of the entire conversation. Constructing and using language for the sake of interfering with interconnection defeats the purpose of language. It is entirely antithetical.
Good Lord all these yes and no and wrong or right is insane! I lived for 15yrs as a Male to female trans and detransitioned seven years ago. I was a Bisexual pornographer also and a drug addict. I saw how perverted homosexuality was among two men and since Covid began Ive been following a protestant "born again" lifestyle but still struggling to keep my homosexuality in control. I am much wanting to be with a female and marry but this life of following God (Christ) is so confusing at times because all this in scripture and the New Testament saying bluntly on Romans Chap 1 about both male with male and female with female, how do you or anyone (Vatican/Catholicism) even by pass these scriptures? How? I don't understand this. How can anyone in the male with male sex action be (I won't mention what goes on in a male wtih male scene) and then suddenly just get up and say "oh praise God?" Or not have any conviction or hear the Holy Spirit speak to one? Even when I get tempted to masturbate I slip, sure.. I end up watching something sexually online and get it over with but then I begin to feel terrible and can't make this go away. And no its not an addiction to this but my body wakes up to an erection and through the day theres thoughts about intimacy and being single and alone also does not help. I want to live a Godly life and see how much distorted the Vatican (again, I'm NOT Catholic) had made their religion wtih regards to homosexuality and now am seeing this about "conservative Jewish practices." I NEVER imagined a Jewish congregation would have a homosexual openly practice their homosexuality and then they go back home and do who knows what in bed? Do you see my point? Ive seen PLENTY of gay sex in my past as a trans and know its not anything affectionate or tame, its involves foreign objects and spitting on.. or sucking on.. dual insertions and the list goes on and on and on... so how DO YOU ACCEPT THIS? Anyone?
Either you follow the Tanaka or you don’t. If you don’t you are not Jewish. This more than evangelists trying to convert will destroy the faith. God days it’s wrong.
@@3mileshigh45 even if someone isn’t observant they can still be Jewish unless they convert to another religion. So if you follow the whole Tanakh then tell me this: how do you give an offering to God as the Eternal commanded in the Torah?
@@3mileshigh45 The proper term for the movement is Reform…not Reformed. And just because the Second Temple was destroyed doesn’t mean the blood offerings ended. It meant that we are no longer able to fulfill those commandments. Plus many of the offerings in the Temple had nothing to do with blood anyway. Who was this “one of the most respected rabbis in America?”
When you modify divine commandments and fit them to your whims and vagaries, it no longer remains divine anymore!!! Such simple truths don't seem to prevail!
2:07 “It’s very very hard to take something that has beem prohibitive for centuries and is really clearly prohibited by the Torah, by the Rabbis, by the legal codes, and make it permissible” WTF?!?!?! Done!
I’m a conservative Jew who really doesn’t know how to feel about LGBTQ and Judaism. This video doesn’t help. We are not talking about what the Torah and Sages command of us and that is concerning.
We are all created in the image of Hashem.
We are not created in the image of god as we are / we are all in a fallen state / the state of Adan/ that is the system we are all in / get it corrected
I like the wording and the meaning of, to the effect, 'If they allow admission for trans people, I need to go.' I think it speaks to a commitment they already held.
So glad the Conservative Movement made this decision.
Nice to know. So as a Protestant Christian Pansexual I'm able to convert to Conservative Judaism. 🏳️🌈✡️🕎
@@tudormiller8898 not really. You can’t convert to Judaism and still believe in Jesus. If you don’t believe in Jesus then you might qualify for conversion. Consult with you closest Conservative/Masorti of Reform rabbi.
It is prohibited according to the Torah ! Classic Halachah everywhere in past traditional Judaism ( masorti /Conservative) and all branches of Orthodox Judaism . HaShem gave Chazal authority to pass down Truth according to every facet of life . Study as many earlier sources as you can this modern insanity is relatively new !!!! 😨😢 Wake up Yisroel !!!
@@Eliav-b7c there are many orthodox rabbis who say that same sex attraction isn’t prohibited in the Torah. Only a specific sexual act between 2 men. I’ve studied the “classical halachic texts.”
Um do you see where it says we can not lay down with the same sex?
What it?
No one is denying what the Torah states. This is about being inclusive of all ALL people within the Jewish Community. Two different issues you are mixing up.
I think it is denying Torah ! Little by little if not checked it will be no different than Reconstructionist Judaism 😢
Amazing! So as a Protestant Christian Pansexual I can convert to Conservative Judaism in London UK 🇬🇧✝️✡️🕎🏳️🌈
Not if you believe in Jesus.
Or clearly don’t take what is happening here seriously.
To put things bluntly as tame as possible and seriously wanting to know/learn.. my question is How can you go and practice sex and then say "Oh praise God?" I lived as a trans for 15yrs and was also a pornographer. I saw and know all that goes on in the gay world of men with poppers, fisting, swapping cm, and blah blah blah.. so again, how can you bipass what even the book of Romans chapter 1 say? How? Please explain! HOW? What goes on through your mind? I don't get it! I battle with gay symptoms but lving a portestan "born again" life and when I slip and do a "quickie" to relive myself I ALWAYS regret it and feel bad. So its ok to have a guy or girl on a sling and buy teh J Lube and slip on some latex glove and then shower and go praise God? Im being serious with my questions.
You sound like you were never really christian in the first place...
You’re not a Christian as true Christianity forbids sexual immorality just like Judaism does as well as Islam.
This is one thing that can push conservative minded use away from the synagogues. The fact that currently only orthodox Judaism seems to fully comprehend that homosexual people should be loved and excepted within the congregation, but not separately celebrated from everyone else.
Judaism doesn't condemn people who are attracted to the same sex. What it does teach is that you should control your urges not to be with the same sex. To be physically intimate with the same sex is totally forbidden by G-d in the Torah and should be discouraged at all costs. Baruch Hashem. All the best
Seek Truth if this was in Israel 2000 years ago they would be stoned to death
Generative _ Principle No it would never happen because they would be too fearful of Gods laws to even attempt a gathering of that sort at that time
Seek Truth Orthodox Judaism strictly prohibits same sex marriages
Generative _ Principle there is no such thing as marriage between the same sex. Only between man and woman who are in perfect union
I know some of these fine folks personally. So happy for them!
Love
I couldn't watch it all. They make a mockery of G-d's creation and laws.
It’s a book
@Kevin Cobb Our understanding of reality and G,d changes, dare I say evolves, with time. We understand now that homosexuality is present in all mammals even lesser beings such as insects like crickets. We understand now that in humans, your brain that by your own understanding G,d gave you, informs your libido from when you’re in the womb, sex is fundamental to every species. It’s deeply engrained in our brains. We understand now as well that your exposure to what hormones in utero will determine the basis of your libido and that in puberty you will develop your secondary traits, also due to molotov cocktails of hormones and also accounts for the diversity of homosexuals and a glimpse into the psychology of (sincere) transgender people who have a ego dominated by their subconscious female/male. I believe it is 100% natural and not a “mockery of creation”. We wrote the Torah and all other scripture to understand our own purpose and our Creator, G,d did not write the Torah we did. You would persecute Jews for something beyond themselves, that is shameful. To say that “man shall not lie with man as with a woman” is the “basis of their whole religion” I mean I think that the essence of Judaism and Jewish identity revolves around a lot more essential topics than ‘we are the people who frown upon gay people’. It’s funny how other laws have been cast aside due to irrelevance but you people hmm this one has to be interpreted literally word for word and apply to lesbians as well. G,d is Life, Life is Creation, respect all humans for they are created in G,d’s image and the divine spark is in us all.
Here is where we can agree: we can look at elements of the lgbt sub-culture and say this lifestyle is hedonistic and doesn’t reflect our values as Jews. Ok, then lets learn to foster a room for them so they can live within Judaism and not a cruel automatic exile and rejection. Say yes we believe that you can marry but that means respecting the sanctity of marriage, keep the sabbath, not do drugs and be supportive so they can be Jewish and gay or lesbian. No one has yet shown clinically that kids adopted by same sex couples are some how deranged because of it, other then experiencing homophobia targeted at their parents from other children being told by their parents that its not normal; which they repeat to these children. If there are orphans from broken homes and tragic circumstances who need the bond of parenthood then it is surely tikkun olam to adopt kids so they can have love in their lives after being reject (either voluntarily or involuntarily) by their biological parents. These adoptions will bring more Jews into the world this way isn’t that wonderful? Let Conservative Judaism become the voice of reason the middle ground between extremes, an Oasis in the heat of the desert, or go join your local Chabad there is one everywhere these days and leave the others in peace. !הכל בסדר שלמ
@Kevin Cobb Well, I mean what is reform and conservative Judaism then? But I mean at the end of the day a gay man or woman can follow the Torah and live a Jewish life. They are infertile but so are some straight couples. As I said they can adopt and bring into our world their share of the next generation. Homosexuals who want to be married in shul and have a religious/spiritual life should be applauded and I think the Rabbinate made the right decision.
I do believe in G.d and I had a very profound spiritual experience which brought me back to faith from hopeless antipathy. The Burning Bush is my favorite and the most meaningful passage for me. So, I am very spiritual I go to synagogue keep kosher and keep sabbath the Reform way. And I am very happy this way as a Reform Jew. I just think Homosexuals have been misunderstood go check out Jewish Renewal lots of people who escape Satmar et al. end up in the Jewish Renewal and I think they have really got it right.
Man, you don’t destroy Judaism by having gay members and couples in your community as long as you are promoting a Jewish lifestyle, a spiritual lifestyle, trust me you are not destroying Judaism but strengthening it. It really doesn’t matter as long as I mentioned before we are talking about encouraging a spiritual lifestyle and not hedonism, again those people won’t be in a shul for shabbat they will be in a nightclub so the idea that allowing for gay couples and families will be nefarious for Jewry is ludicrous to me. Time = Change. Go be orthodox or Haredi if you think and feel that way.
Haha…there are a fair few Jewish Masons lol it strengthens their faith and become more spiritual because of understanding G.d through the lens that makes sense to them and is very true to the Torah. You would be surprised there are many orthodox masons its teachings transcend denominations and religions.
You see within Masorti/Renewal/Reform the two are not opposed and a homosexual person is a life that already exists, that is a human that deserves to live to their fullest and in dignity. Say a blessing after you poo if you want and that makes you a more spiritual and complete person. Does G.d really care if you do, in an infinite universe of constant destruction and creation? I think you should go check out Renewal man.
Yeah, breeding like rabbits to perpetuate the religion, look at Hasidic communities in US they have the most kids amongst Jews but also the highest number of defectors that go towards other Jewish movements, that is if they don’t burn out completely from the abusive treatment that they are afforded…all the broken toys of their communities coming over to other denominations. Gay people should be considered as infertile as that is how they are able to live a happy, honest life true to themselves and not a miserable lie... that is if they could force themselves physically to impregnate a poor woman who will have in reality, an unloving husband. Or a lesbian who feels like she is being raped every time her husband tries to make a baby with her and feels numb inside…what awesome lives they are afforded in your patriarchal breeding machine! Again, again, you say the middle ground between extremes, I also said that Conservative Judaism should stake itself out as the middle ground between extremes and I think this video incapsulates well what being the middle ground looks like etc. etc.
@Kevin Cobb and what you expect of gay people is inhumane
😢
Your jewish, your not religious.
Wearing a yarmulka doesn't make you re
All should be welcome. However, people should keep their sexuality to themselves they should not be pushing anybody’s face. It definitely should not be paraded around the synagogue. Just treat everybody equally Jews. In general are very good at that anyway.
Why do they wear those little hats?
The little hat is a Kippah (pronounced KEEpah). It's meaning isn't from a biblical passage, but rather as a sign that God is above us and watches our every act. It reminds us of the presence of God.
Don't use the Q.
Why
@@Scifiguy11th Its use is still associated with its original meaning; it takes us back to its time in the context of conversation about empowerment, acceptance, progress, it defeats the purpose of everything else. It defeats the purpose of the entire conversation.
Constructing and using language for the sake of interfering with interconnection defeats the purpose of language. It is entirely antithetical.
No... Sorry lgtbq whatever are not conservative jews.
you sad soul. get over yourself, no Jew should invalidate someone’s Jewishness.
The is evil. This is satanic
uh noooo 🙄
They are a joke
Good Lord all these yes and no and wrong or right is insane! I lived for 15yrs as a Male to female trans and detransitioned seven years ago. I was a Bisexual pornographer also and a drug addict. I saw how perverted homosexuality was among two men and since Covid began Ive been following a protestant "born again" lifestyle but still struggling to keep my homosexuality in control. I am much wanting to be with a female and marry but this life of following God (Christ) is so confusing at times because all this in scripture and the New Testament saying bluntly on Romans Chap 1 about both male with male and female with female, how do you or anyone (Vatican/Catholicism) even by pass these scriptures? How? I don't understand this. How can anyone in the male with male sex action be (I won't mention what goes on in a male wtih male scene) and then suddenly just get up and say "oh praise God?" Or not have any conviction or hear the Holy Spirit speak to one? Even when I get tempted to masturbate I slip, sure.. I end up watching something sexually online and get it over with but then I begin to feel terrible and can't make this go away. And no its not an addiction to this but my body wakes up to an erection and through the day theres thoughts about intimacy and being single and alone also does not help. I want to live a Godly life and see how much distorted the Vatican (again, I'm NOT Catholic) had made their religion wtih regards to homosexuality and now am seeing this about "conservative Jewish practices." I NEVER imagined a Jewish congregation would have a homosexual openly practice their homosexuality and then they go back home and do who knows what in bed? Do you see my point? Ive seen PLENTY of gay sex in my past as a trans and know its not anything affectionate or tame, its involves foreign objects and spitting on.. or sucking on.. dual insertions and the list goes on and on and on... so how DO YOU ACCEPT THIS? Anyone?
Either you follow the Tanaka or you don’t. If you don’t you are not Jewish. This more than evangelists trying to convert will destroy the faith. God days it’s wrong.
shut up
Do you follow the whole Tanakh? Every single passage?
@@3mileshigh45 even if someone isn’t observant they can still be Jewish unless they convert to another religion. So if you follow the whole Tanakh then tell me this: how do you give an offering to God as the Eternal commanded in the Torah?
@@3mileshigh45 The proper term for the movement is Reform…not Reformed. And just because the Second Temple was destroyed doesn’t mean the blood offerings ended. It meant that we are no longer able to fulfill those commandments. Plus many of the offerings in the Temple had nothing to do with blood anyway. Who was this “one of the most respected rabbis in America?”
@@3mileshigh45 you never shared his name privately. So that leads me to believe that you lied to make a claim and can’t prove it.
You cant be conservative and pro...this. What exactly is conservative about them?
Fake rabbis