after last gen 'leaks', i say we shouldn't believe it. it might be -25%power at the same performance, or +45% in a few games that performed really badly. I hope i'm wrong, but...
@@miyagiryota9238 Well the numbers given aren't even first party numbers, but numbers some guy on a Chinese forum put out there. So take these with a whole truckload of salt.
@@Shieftain the take it with a grain of salt saying is because the salt is so small and insignificant , adding a truckload of salt to the saying is more saying its true lol
If the 8800XT can deliver RTX 4080 performance with better efficiency for around 549$ then it's a slam dunk for RDNA 4. Hopefully their AI infused upscaling tech will be ready at launch too.
the 8800XT *can't* deliver RTX 4080 performance... There, fixed it for you. Stop dreaming and get real with generational uplift expectations, rather than hyped bullshit, like this video.
@@awebuser5914 I don't believe it will match a 4080. I've always said 4070 Ti Super is more likely but was describing a hypothetical scenario in which they exceed my expectations.
From generation to generation, a 6900xt has 80 CU, 16gb ram, a 7800xt has 60 cu, 16gb ram and matches its performance. 7900xt has 84 CU, 20gb ram, so it should, IF generation to generation continues, at least match it if not be slightly faster. (8800xt 64 cu, 20gb ram) I know theres a lot of other factors, but IF it matches the 7900xt at $500-$600, it will sell. But this is AMD, they'll price it at $700 if not more, then theres scalpers and all the new stupid incoming tariffs will mark it up even more. Plus, AMD would be cut throating themselves hard at $500-$600. You can get a 4070 ti super for $800. 7900xt is all over the map with price, anywhere from $625 to $1000, personally I wouldnt buy anything else than Sapphire or direct from AMD, 8800xt will match 7900xt / 4070 ti super and be $700, calling it now. What will happen is at launch it will have all kinds of bugs and be worse than those two cards, then 6 months later when they get the drivers sorted, it will match those cards... thats possibly October of next year. Supposedly its being mass produced mid December. Chinese New Year starts end of January, 30th or 31st. That means at least 2 weeks off for all of Asia, in China its a whole month. Realistically, this launches sometime in March. More than likely mid or end of March. This is best case scenario.
@@bslay4r I'm not an trained AI model that was hired by the Intel(American company) to advertise, in fact, I'm, as a human being, totaly oposed to the act describe as "Marketing". You rest assured that, this one, is a perfectly fine and real human being and that any doubts may burried with you.
RE4 RT is something 7900xtx can do and is actually on par with 4080 iirc (because RE4 isn't nvidia's RT demo CP2077). Something doesn't add up in the math.
I'll believe it when I see it. We haven't had real competition for a while now, and AMD's abandonment of the high-end is very bad for the consumer. The idea that AMD may bring some competition to the low-mid range is small consolation.
they've obviously looked at what people are buying and they have targeted that, what's the point in putting in the money in another 8900 xtx when looking at steam hardware survey's there's like 1.5% of gamers that buy 4080/4090/7900 xtx level of hardware. 7800 xt sold really well for an AMD card as it offered great value for money. I think if they master the £499 card with at least 30% increase per gen, they'll claw that market share. It's what they did with CPU's really, offered great value low - mid range gaming focused CPU's compared to intel and look how that situation turned out.
@@StarkR3ality I dearly hope that AMD does pull off a win. I'd love to see them gain market share. NVidia simply owns the mindshare, and a huge part of that is the fact that they own the high-end. Perhaps sanity will break out, considering the insane high price of said high-end cards.
@@StarkR3alityAMD obviously needs a high-end card to compete with NVIDIA while pricing their mid-low range better than competition. But they didn’t do that with the upselling tactics on RX 7000. Just competing at mid range won’t yield them the brand-loyalty that they are after. They have to show they’re competent at high-end too
That's one way to see it, but if AMD and Intel manage to stir up the budget and mid-range market that may prove enough for nvidia to switch things up and be more competitive. Anything in their lineup lower than the 4070 super ti is hot garbage with an expiration date and from there is accpetable performance and futureproof hardware for double the money. Things need to change.
Could care less about RT, it’s useless in any card below the 4070 ti super anyway which is a £799 card. Give us a 30 - 40% increase in raster compared to 7800 xt at that £499 price tag and people will be happy. We need to go back to getting value for money. PC hardware and gaming in general are in a bad spot. Things getting too expensive and literally no games coming out that warrant upgrades. I plan upgrading every 2 generations and only when there’s a game I’m interested in my current hardware would struggle to run. Not into paying £1000 to play the same games for the third time but with a few extra frames. What’s coming out soon? Nothing, save your money, keep what you’ve got.
I don't know what you are into but for some of us 2025 will be a huge year. Biggest year in a while I think. I wasn't interested in gaming from 2019 to 2023 but in 2025 I'll have to upgrade my GTX 1070 as we are getting: Gothic (been 20 years), GTA 6 (12 years), a new Homm (10 years), a new DOOM, KCD2, Subnautica 2...
Sad that we are 6 years into RT & there is so little to show for it even at $800. You've got to start somewhere, but it's been so much wasted $ & silicon. Even launching today is probably still too early to be useful. Maybe we see some good or meaningful implementations after a console has halfway competent RT.
Raytracing at a point where it actually is a visible quality improvement is such a performance loss that it is only playable on 4090s. Anyone with a gpu below that simply turns it off.
At 4K? Because Cyberpunk with PT is perfectly playable with a 3080 at 1080p Quality mode. Can probably run very well with a 4070 ti super at 1440p even without frame gen.
@@Augusto9588 Path tracing... 1080p DLSS quality... on a 3080. LOL. Literally who wants to play with those settings? It can't even hold a stable 60fps. You can probably count the individual pixels with that upscaling too.
@@Augusto9588 I can confirm I played CP2077 @1080 on a 3080 with satisfactory results. I just got a 3400x1440 monitor... and ... it's a slide show now. Had to turn it off.
@@Konrad-z9w Honestly the differences are so minor that I don't even care anymore. Really good game engines can have similar lighting effects compared to RT. Unreal Engine's lumin for example.
I really hope amd has a proper Ai upscaler when rdna 4 releases , because intel already has a huge lead in upscaling technology over amd and Intel is new to the graphics card market. The arc b580 is looking very good with xess and frame generation. Intel is aiming @ 250$ for 4060ti performance, which is very good to be honest
Intel has a lot more talent and $ behind its AI teams. Part of that is preventing it from going to other companies, and part of it is, as you say, delivering the goods.
7900 XTX always had some trouble trying to clock past about 2700 mhz. And it wasn't due to the chip itself. Many insiders said that the chip itself was looking good for 3.2/3.3 ghz, but the "fabric" did not play nice with it at that speed. If they just re-launched the 7900 XTX, with a better fabric, and some better RT (and nothing else), priced right it would make a great 2025 "upper mid" or "lower-upper" card. Arguably the same for the XT as well.
In regards to battlemage nvidia have already lowered their prices for both 4060 & 4060ti. Sadly this makes them probably more appealing to the masses even if they’re slightly more expensive.
If 8800XT is close to RTX 4080 and about 80% in RT for just USD 550ish, I am definitely upgrading my 3080Ti. But somehow I don't expect that pricing for such a card.
with AMD, i think they are aiming midrange, best case scenario, intel gains a solid foothold in the lower end gpu market while AMD is midrange. i have a 12 gb card and raytracing in newer games becomes more and more unavoidable.
according to the newest article by pcgameshardware(german pc gaming/tech site) the 8600 will have 12gb and the 8700 xt 16gb.(but those are unconfirmed reports)
As for die size, the interesting one is Navi 44, where I have seen numbers between 130mm^2 and 200mm^2. Compare that to the huge 406mm^2 size of the B580, and the 8600XT will be much, much cheaper to make, and should draw much less power, meaning that the card itself will be much cheaper to make. So..., if the 8600XT is much cheaper to make, and somewhat faster than the B580, then yes, Intel can sell some Battlemages in December and January before the 8600 XT comes out, but once the 8600XT comes out, AMD can match or underprice the B580, if they should choose to. Intel will never make money selling a 406mm^2 die on a big three-fan card for $249.
I play 0 games that have raytracing beyond Cyberpunk, most game sI use XeSS over fsr 1 or 2 and honestly it looks absolutely fine on my gtx 1080ti. im interested in raster and power draw and price to perf
I'll stick to my usual m.o., staying within the 200-250watt bracket for GPU's and then whatever manufacturer who gives the best price/performance ratio
Rightly so. 6700XT 12GB was going for 270 for over half a year, their gpu will be DOA with those prices. They fucked up with launch prices for Alchemist too, or have you forgotten already?
@@nameless.0190 not only that, they fumbled hard not releasing a 4070super competitor for 349 which was the original plan... So they canned that one and only revealed two cards. If they did that, ppl would actually take notice.
Only path tracing is the real visual uplift, where even a 4090 is struggling with. So a 8800XT at the price of an 7900 GRE doesn't make much sense. Prices have to go way more down now that intel GPUs present serious numbers.
Between XT and XTX Raster performance (meaning really 4080 raster as well) and near 4080 Ray Tracing is totally fine. I really don't need to pay triple the price to get to 4090 levels. Honestly I'll take a $599 16gb 4080/4080S from team red and consider that as "good enough" until 2027. I'm sure they'll eventually bring out an 8900XT but if it's gonna come with price gouging who wants it?
AMD arn't gonna be cheep. I hate to say this. Cos I'm a huge AMD fan. But for the sake of 40 quid. You may aswell get the card with the best ray tracing. And rastarisation combined.
Brother Sombhir, i can only be interested in AMD, if they improve their Stream Processors to handle Prductivity Load like Cuda, and then can increase their Stream Processors Count to 10740 or atleast a minimum 8248
Reminds me of the Zen 1 release. "EPIC Improvement" only cause perf was so teririble with prior gens. While RT is gorgeous and I'm excited for it, it'll be only once it becomes a marginal perf hit ike how Tessellation and shaders evolved. Currently not concerned with RT, would've been more excited if it was Raster.
It'll probably be a $599 4070 Ti Super. Still not too bad at that price, but certainly no bargain. If that's where the performance numbers come to it's gotta be a $499 or $549 product to have meaningful market share.
If the Battlemage 580 dropped with 16GB and the 570 with 12GB I might have paid attention. As is, this limited memory will not cut it with modded games from the last decade, never mind new titles. The new resolution is 1440p and higher refresh rates are also becoming standard. When you add that to Intel's other offerings in CPU, I really do wonder what they hope to achieve. People get giddy about AMD, but they forget that nvidia and intel are still the giants in the market. However this kind of showing is just not good enough. Way too much pandering to the shareholders looking for their short term fix is putting them in a poor position. If they don't start addressing modern day consumer demands they will be left behind, so much for their share price then. Paul was right when he said these cards are niche. How is that going to help them?
The B580 already *doesn't* have the compute power to utilize 12GB in any relevant way, so why is 16GB "better"? This moronic VRAM obsession has to _stop_ ...
There should be a B750 and B770 coming with 16gb. I hope that comes by March, it'll probably need to for Intel to maintain any momentum generated by the B580.
b580 is 1080p card lmao, why would you need 16gb Vram? There is not a single game where you would need more than 12GB even on 1440p. You can play like 70-80% games with 12gb Vram even in 4k. B580's main bottleneck is not vram but compute.
@@darkfire3691 There's ALREADY games where you need more than 12gb at 1080p. Hardware unboxed covered this. However, to need that much ram you need to be be running very high levels of Ray Tracing and usually frame gen as well. Games like Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora, and Cyberpunk 2077 can all exceed 12gb. You'd expect new AAA games released since then with path tracing to potentially face the same issues. 12gb will make do if you don't run ultra with raytracing and to be honest the B580 probably doesn't have the grunt to do that without tanking the framerate. But 12gb is marginal now as a max settings 1080 card, let alone a 1440. Really, 12gb should be the minimum for any card around the 4060 Ti/7600XT performance level, and even down around 4060 or 7600 level 10 gb should be a minimum now. 8gb is really for 1080 medium no RT now, and many games demand at least minimum levels of raytracing now.
@@AndyViant tell me at least one game where you need more than 12GB in 1080p. U can play at least 70-80% games fine with 12gb even on 4k , how i know? Because i have 4070 ti.
If AMD isn't near 100% gains in RT performance they're hurting because even Intel 2nd gen GPUs will beat them. So, raster needs to increase about 25% going from the 7800 to the 8800 and same with the 7600 to 8600. That's it, because those GPUs arefine fine at their targeted resolution (1080p - 2K). Adding 25% will do them well. But RT performance has to jump 100% or 2X what RDNA 3 is. It HAS to or AMD is in trouble.
Low profile rx6400 successor, single slot. Nvidia Low profile are all double slot RXA2000, 3050, 4060. All double slot. Intel A380 and AMD rx6400 instead single slot. Huge market for 1L PC. The future is SFF and Energy efficiency. Battlemage 50% energy efficiency is huge, but rx6400 is still king. Nvidia has no market share in single slot SFF. What about RDNA4 SFF cards?
If AMDs top end card trades blows with its Previous gen high end with Rasteration but blows it away at RT and they sale it for say $400-550 they could pick up market share but it would kill all but entry RDNA3 sales. I'm hoping Intel can deliver and force AMD to keep prices down Nvidia won't care and will charge what they want till stock backs up on shelfs.
@PHOBIAx57x HDR instability, poor workload performance, random BSODs, etc. There are driver issues, and i unfortunately listened to tech content creators just because "more vram = good", and now im suffering for it.
Darn it these would have been a great GPU to pair with a Core i5 7400 or an i7 7700 if only it didn't have a broken memory controller making it require REBAR as a crutch otherwise the controller would stall and would stop working at its peak performance without it.
Seems unlike this time around. Performance should be slightly better than a 7900 XT (Raster) if we use RE4 as a benchmark (the game the leaks are based on). Type: '7900 XT vs 4080 in RE4' into the search bar, you'll notice it almost matches the 4080 in performance (because AMD GPUs do very well in this particular title). So if the 8800XT does roughly the same as the 4080 in that game (as per the leak), then we can infer that performance should be roughly 7900XT Tier.
Intel wins in the entry gaming class on paper.. but they have to deliver regarding drivers and work on their day 1 support for new titels... and thats the point where I am a bit sceptical. Can't complain too much considering the price Regarding this release I say it's a much needed W for Intel. (atleast until AMD and Nvidia show us what they got)
7900XT level raster with %45 increased RT for 400-450$ will sell like hot cakes. It might be the new Polaris. I doubt Nvidia to price a similar performance card anything lower than 600-650$.
But for how much 2x more then intels battlemage if amd puts it at $400 its game over for them and the same for nvidia. Intel is setting the gpu market on fire with their prices at $249 and $220
Sorry, but in the vast majority of with/without ray tracing game demos, I can't tell the difference in image quality. IMO, it's an expensive gimmick employed by GPU manufacturers because they ran out of raster optimisation options, while ray tracing requires huge amounts of processing power, so they can keep developing it for many years to come, thereby allowing them to keep GPU prices sky-high.
There are games with low “ray tracing” demands where 6000-series cards are perfectly competitive against their Nvidia counterparts. At the other extreme are a few games with really high demands where the Nvidia cards while also completely crumbling will have triple the framerate. An average increase of 45% across a bunch of games may very well include making up most of the disparity in those few heavy RT games. It really depends on what the frame of reference is behind the statement.
Bullshit Paul, i bet it will be far behind Ngreedia 5k series just as usual. And Res4 is a very low load for a RT game. The real question is how it wil stack up in pathtracing and AI work loads because that is the future if you want it to last.
just for a select group of people that would be so, yet most gamers don't give a damn about that and those would rather have a 600 euro card as a 1600 euro card. just like RT nobody i know uses it or even see it as a need to have.
@Mcorpmike I am talking about the Ngreedia market share and for the massive crowd that actually care about new features. I know you are a bit slow so I am spelling it out for you.
If this costs 300-350 for rx8800 xt then AMD may win and move some units and cut unto the nvidia pie chart. Otherwise it's just going to be same as always like it was with 5700xt with 480 580...
this aint going to be less than 650-700$, esc if Nvidia continues current pricing.. RT in todays games i kind of a joke if you need high end gpu to hit 60fps at native 1440p without RT.. I am not sure i want to butcher resolution and insert fake frames just to get my reflexion in pound of watter..
8800 XT and 8700 XT have 16 gb vram, what i like to keep 4-5 years the same GPU. Because i like to mod games too. Now whats the price of the custom models vs 5070 ti 16 gb vram version. TO pay 300-350€ more for how much FPS and Traytracing winning. Maybe i buy a 8700 XT and replace it in 2 years with RNDA 5 mid range 9700 XT.
Whatever the performance is this alone will not convince nvidia fans. The price has to be really low to cut through the over 80% market share of nvidia.
I cant wait, already built my pc. Mobo: X870E Nova CPU: 9800X3D RAM: Trident Z5 Royal Neo(6400mhz/CL28 SSD: SK Hynix P41 Platinum 2TB Case: darkFlash DY470
AMD has to sell these dirt cheap if the die is below 300mm². Anything else would just keep up the disasterous price levels that have been established during the last years.
Yawn, wake me up when it has 4x the RT perf of a 7900XTX, then it might be almost usable. Says me, a 7900XTX owner who knows for the fact its RT is unusable/only exists on paper to trick people.
45% of piss poor 7900xtx ray tracing (path tracing specifically) is just a less stinky turd. The regular PS5/6000 series can run RT in something like persona 3 reload just fine, but it is again too little too late. I would bet the 5070 has a 40% bump from the 4000 series
RE4 is such a weird yardstick for ray-tracing performance. It's perhaps the weakest RT I've ever seen in a game, just tiny little touches, so any mention of [x]% improvement is pretty empty.
Most People don't care about rt when actually play games but many of them do care about them when watching reviews that's why they get tricked to buy overpriced gpus
can't wait for them to sell the 8800xt for only $100 less than whatever Nshittification prices their 5080, so as to offset any reason to want to purchase AMDs GPUs, just like how they did last time. /s -_-
The AMD fans saying they don't care about RT is the same cope we just saw from Sony fans. They didn't care about RT and 60FPS. Then as soon as they got a whiff of the PS5 Pro the truth came out... If AMD's new card actually has decent RT performance and not the turgid experience of their beloved 7900xtx, then suddenly the AMD fans will change their tune. I for one am interested to see how this thing performs when driving an ultrawide with RT. People complaining that only the 4090 can drive 4k sounds like the complaints of spendthrifts who jumped too early onto the cutting edge bandwagon
The future if graphics is ray tracing. AMD is at least 1 Generation behind. The who cares about Ray tracing question us just a dumb thing dumb people say and repeat
AMD only have ONE chance to gain mindshare in this generation. Nvidia is so huge now that it can take the L this generation and slap AMD in the face with RTX 6000s
Ah yes the usual leaks claiming miracles from AMD. Are we really supposed to believe that AMD making relatively small changes to their RT pipeline suddenly results in far better proportional performance than Nvidia even though they're currently still far behind Nvidia's original implementation in the 20 series? Especially after the PS5 Pro's RT improvements (which are supposedly the same as RDNA4's) turned out to amount to pretty much nothing?
Doubling of RT cores per CU isn't exactly a "small pipeline change." The only reason why AMD has been behind Nvidia all this time is because Nvidia simply dedicates a lot more silicon to RT cores and Tensor cores. AMD's RT cores are significantly smaller, hence why their performance is so poor. Even Intel Arc Alechemist has larger RT cores, which is why their RT is miles ahead of AMD, and has Tensor cores, which is why their hardware-accelerated XeSS is also far superior to AMD's software-accelerated FSR. It's all about what you're doing with the silicon, and AMD simply chose not to have any Tensor cores and skimp on the RT cores. It allowed them to make cheaper GPUs and still make fat margins.
@@hasnihossainsami8375 Yes you're exactly right about why AMD's RT support has been so poor. However from the PS5 Pro info they didn't double the RT cores, they just doubled the throughput of one part of the RT pipeline, a part that does not seem to make all that much difference in overall performance. I saw a chart a while back showing that RDNA3 was actually ahead of Turing in this particular spec, yet Turing's RT architecture is still far more performant. So unless RDNA4 completely overhauls the RT implementation, completely different from the PS5 Pro's changes which nobody has suggested as of yet, then I don't see how these wild performance rumors are even remotely possible.
This is what AMD do best by build up the hype before launch with wrong or misleading "leaked" or pre release data and then release just another meh product.
I know! I guess we should give Intel a participation trophy for releasing cutting edge gpus whose performance sits between last gen entry-level cards and soon-to-be released Strix Halo APU. 😂
4080 performance will not happen. Don't get your hopes up because it will only be a disappointment. It is impossible with just 64 CU. RDNA3 would have to have a huge bottleneck that they just unclogged.
$7900xtx is $740.00 now , its not bad card at all , RT is similar to rtx4070 ti super $900.00 , now nvidia fangirls will say , well , we like dlss , oh we like AI , oh we like nvidia drivers , we just like only nvidia , period . we just want to talk shit about amd and kiss daddy jensen ass .
The 8800XT will be as fast as a 7900XTX in raster and "45%" better in RT?! Riiight! Do you actually read the stuff you write? The 8800XT will be a modest uplift in raster over a 7800XT (yes, 7800, not 7900), and probably 10% (or more) slower than a 7900XT, let alone an XTX! RT might be "improved" on titles that use really weak RT, but games that *use* RT properly, like Cyberpunk, Control, etc. will only see very modest gains. Even a 45% "improvement" in RT over a 7900XT (not XTX) would still be pretty pathetic, but even that's *not* going happen. You and MLID need to think a little harder when making ridiculous "leaked" proclamations about next-gen GPU performance. TL/DR: the 8800XT will NOT be anywhere close to even a 4080 in games that actually use RT in any meaningful way. Also, the 8800XT's raster performance will be probably about 10%-15% worse than a 7900XT (not XTX!), meaning it will be a _decent_ generational uplift, not a *miracle* !
rx8800xt will be 15% faster raster and 30% better RT , for $499.00 comparing to rx7800xt cause amd only going from 5nm to 4nm here , unless amd wants to go after marketshare $450.00 will be very attractive. it wont be $700 like some morons think , i know rtx5070 for sure be $650 this time , trump tarriffs stating in jan 2025. nvidia will pass that on to its fangirls , who will happily pay $800 for rtx5070 , cause they love their daddy jensen
+45% RT performance in Resident Evil IV isn't anything to write home about. The RT support in that game is extremely limited. How about performance in games that use path tracing like Alan Wake 2 and Cyber Punk? We want to know how games supporting tons of RT option including GI, AO, reflections, and the big daddy implementation of full path tracing perform vs AMD's last gen parts. Because Nvidia will also see an uplift in performance vs last gen across all their new parts, not just the 5090. And NV's parts demolished AMD in performance when high end implementations of RT were enabled, such as full path tracing.
Well, if you want to play Indiana Jones apparently, its required to play im sure it will not be the last game to require Ray tracing as a way to gate keep amd
@@sargentpayne the requirements mean majority of pc owners can't play it.. majority have 4060 and we all know in RT performance it is basically useless.
after last gen 'leaks', i say we shouldn't believe it. it might be -25%power at the same performance, or +45% in a few games that performed really badly.
I hope i'm wrong, but...
just like with nvidia and intel, 1st party chart perforomance should be taken with grain of salt
My gpu is 2 gens behind, as long as its reasonably priced, Iam in.
@@miyagiryota9238 Well the numbers given aren't even first party numbers, but numbers some guy on a Chinese forum put out there. So take these with a whole truckload of salt.
Yeah, Radeon 7000 were so hyped and eventually 7800XT performs almost as 6800XT 🫠
@@Shieftain the take it with a grain of salt saying is because the salt is so small and insignificant , adding a truckload of salt to the saying is more saying its true lol
If the 8800XT can deliver RTX 4080 performance with better efficiency for around 549$ then it's a slam dunk for RDNA 4. Hopefully their AI infused upscaling tech will be ready at launch too.
It is impossible with just 64 CU. RDNA3 would have to have a huge bottleneck that they just unclogged.
the 8800XT *can't* deliver RTX 4080 performance... There, fixed it for you. Stop dreaming and get real with generational uplift expectations, rather than hyped bullshit, like this video.
@@awebuser5914 I don't believe it will match a 4080. I've always said 4070 Ti Super is more likely but was describing a hypothetical scenario in which they exceed my expectations.
it wont. it may catch the 7900 xt and not much more than that.,
From generation to generation, a 6900xt has 80 CU, 16gb ram, a 7800xt has 60 cu, 16gb ram and matches its performance.
7900xt has 84 CU, 20gb ram, so it should, IF generation to generation continues, at least match it if not be slightly faster. (8800xt 64 cu, 20gb ram)
I know theres a lot of other factors, but IF it matches the 7900xt at $500-$600, it will sell.
But this is AMD, they'll price it at $700 if not more, then theres scalpers and all the new stupid incoming tariffs will mark it up even more. Plus, AMD would be cut throating themselves hard at $500-$600.
You can get a 4070 ti super for $800.
7900xt is all over the map with price, anywhere from $625 to $1000, personally I wouldnt buy anything else than Sapphire or direct from AMD,
8800xt will match 7900xt / 4070 ti super and be $700, calling it now.
What will happen is at launch it will have all kinds of bugs and be worse than those two cards, then 6 months later when they get the drivers sorted, it will match those cards... thats possibly October of next year.
Supposedly its being mass produced mid December. Chinese New Year starts end of January, 30th or 31st. That means at least 2 weeks off for all of Asia, in China its a whole month.
Realistically, this launches sometime in March. More than likely mid or end of March.
This is best case scenario.
Intel positively surprised us, I hope they can deliver a great product and actually compete with Nvidia and AMD.
We don't even have 3rd party tests but Intel already positively surprised us? Are you from Intel or wtf is this stupid fanboyism?
@@bslay4r I'm not an trained AI model that was hired by the Intel(American company) to advertise, in fact, I'm, as a human being, totaly oposed to the act describe as "Marketing".
You rest assured that, this one, is a perfectly fine and real human being and that any doubts may burried with you.
RE4 RT is something 7900xtx can do and is actually on par with 4080 iirc (because RE4 isn't nvidia's RT demo CP2077). Something doesn't add up in the math.
ladies and gentlemen, his name is Paul!
And he's hoping you're having an AMAZING day
As I've said before, there are no ladies and genital men here.
I'll believe it when I see it. We haven't had real competition for a while now, and AMD's abandonment of the high-end is very bad for the consumer. The idea that AMD may bring some competition to the low-mid range is small consolation.
they've obviously looked at what people are buying and they have targeted that, what's the point in putting in the money in another 8900 xtx when looking at steam hardware survey's there's like 1.5% of gamers that buy 4080/4090/7900 xtx level of hardware.
7800 xt sold really well for an AMD card as it offered great value for money. I think if they master the £499 card with at least 30% increase per gen, they'll claw that market share. It's what they did with CPU's really, offered great value low - mid range gaming focused CPU's compared to intel and look how that situation turned out.
@@StarkR3ality I dearly hope that AMD does pull off a win. I'd love to see them gain market share.
NVidia simply owns the mindshare, and a huge part of that is the fact that they own the high-end. Perhaps sanity will break out, considering the insane high price of said high-end cards.
@@StarkR3alityAMD obviously needs a high-end card to compete with NVIDIA while pricing their mid-low range better than competition. But they didn’t do that with the upselling tactics on RX 7000.
Just competing at mid range won’t yield them the brand-loyalty that they are after. They have to show they’re competent at high-end too
According to Nvidia RDNA4 is high end again.
That's one way to see it, but if AMD and Intel manage to stir up the budget and mid-range market that may prove enough for nvidia to switch things up and be more competitive. Anything in their lineup lower than the 4070 super ti is hot garbage with an expiration date and from there is accpetable performance and futureproof hardware for double the money. Things need to change.
if the drivers are solid intel has a winner!
Could care less about RT, it’s useless in any card below the 4070 ti super anyway which is a £799 card.
Give us a 30 - 40% increase in raster compared to 7800 xt at that £499 price tag and people will be happy.
We need to go back to getting value for money. PC hardware and gaming in general are in a bad spot. Things getting too expensive and literally no games coming out that warrant upgrades.
I plan upgrading every 2 generations and only when there’s a game I’m interested in my current hardware would struggle to run. Not into paying £1000 to play the same games for the third time but with a few extra frames.
What’s coming out soon? Nothing, save your money, keep what you’ve got.
this
Proper english is "could NOT care less".
I don't know what you are into but for some of us 2025 will be a huge year. Biggest year in a while I think.
I wasn't interested in gaming from 2019 to 2023 but in 2025 I'll have to upgrade my GTX 1070 as we are getting:
Gothic (been 20 years), GTA 6 (12 years), a new Homm (10 years), a new DOOM, KCD2, Subnautica 2...
I mean sure.. but even budget cards are ridiculously good at raster right now. 1440p 120fps is common place even with 4 year old cards.
Sad that we are 6 years into RT & there is so little to show for it even at $800. You've got to start somewhere, but it's been so much wasted $ & silicon. Even launching today is probably still too early to be useful.
Maybe we see some good or meaningful implementations after a console has halfway competent RT.
Still rocking my FirePro W8100, but love seeing this. Hopefully this will come in a workstation package soon too!
Raytracing at a point where it actually is a visible quality improvement is such a performance loss that it is only playable on 4090s. Anyone with a gpu below that simply turns it off.
At 4K? Because Cyberpunk with PT is perfectly playable with a 3080 at 1080p Quality mode.
Can probably run very well with a 4070 ti super at 1440p even without frame gen.
@@Augusto9588 Path tracing... 1080p DLSS quality... on a 3080. LOL.
Literally who wants to play with those settings? It can't even hold a stable 60fps. You can probably count the individual pixels with that upscaling too.
@@Augusto9588 I can confirm I played CP2077 @1080 on a 3080 with satisfactory results. I just got a 3400x1440 monitor... and ... it's a slide show now. Had to turn it off.
Ray tracing is computationally heavy, either you fake it or you don’t have it. Its quite irrelevant for gaming but pretty important for VFX
@@Konrad-z9w Honestly the differences are so minor that I don't even care anymore. Really good game engines can have similar lighting effects compared to RT. Unreal Engine's lumin for example.
I really hope amd has a proper Ai upscaler when rdna 4 releases , because intel already has a huge lead in upscaling technology over amd and Intel is new to the graphics card market.
The arc b580 is looking very good with xess and frame generation.
Intel is aiming @ 250$ for 4060ti performance, which is very good to be honest
Intel has a lot more talent and $ behind its AI teams. Part of that is preventing it from going to other companies, and part of it is, as you say, delivering the goods.
@@warcrabcyber9908 more like rx 7600 xt performance for 50 dollars less
As long as the 8800 xt is £100-200 cheaper than the competition as the trend goes, it will do well.
7900 XTX always had some trouble trying to clock past about 2700 mhz. And it wasn't due to the chip itself. Many insiders said that the chip itself was looking good for 3.2/3.3 ghz, but the "fabric" did not play nice with it at that speed. If they just re-launched the 7900 XTX, with a better fabric, and some better RT (and nothing else), priced right it would make a great 2025 "upper mid" or "lower-upper" card. Arguably the same for the XT as well.
12gb VRam for 249 is crazy. Nvidia needs to learn a few things.
Yes Nvidia needs to learn how to sell their GPUs at a loss like intel 😂
In regards to battlemage nvidia have already lowered their prices for both 4060 & 4060ti. Sadly this makes them probably more appealing to the masses even if they’re slightly more expensive.
If 8800XT is close to RTX 4080 and about 80% in RT for just USD 550ish, I am definitely upgrading my 3080Ti. But somehow I don't expect that pricing for such a card.
11:22 Video has a long black screen sequence at the end. Yep some of us actually watched all your videos until the end ❤
Take care Paul ❤
I only use rt for rtx voice, does amd have an equivalent? I want rasta increases please.
if 2 RT engine per unit still didnt good enough amd should put 3, but RT is useless on 8GB card
with AMD, i think they are aiming midrange, best case scenario, intel gains a solid foothold in the lower end gpu market while AMD is midrange. i have a 12 gb card and raytracing in newer games becomes more and more unavoidable.
A 8600xt 10gb for 300 dollars 8700xt 16gb for 400 dollars a 8800xt 16-20gb for 500-600 dollars would challenge Nvidia for sure!
8700XT will be 12gb
according to the newest article by pcgameshardware(german pc gaming/tech site) the 8600 will have 12gb and the 8700 xt 16gb.(but those are unconfirmed reports)
I want to see them making a 24Gb VRAM card
What's the point when they locked the price to what you get to performance past 2 gens and continued future seems upsetting.
I’m more interested in raster performance. I couldn’t care about Ray tracing. Is the 8800XT faster in non Ray tracing performance then the 7900XTX?
As for die size, the interesting one is Navi 44, where I have seen numbers between 130mm^2 and 200mm^2. Compare that to the huge 406mm^2 size of the B580, and the 8600XT will be much, much cheaper to make, and should draw much less power, meaning that the card itself will be much cheaper to make. So..., if the 8600XT is much cheaper to make, and somewhat faster than the B580, then yes, Intel can sell some Battlemages in December and January before the 8600 XT comes out, but once the 8600XT comes out, AMD can match or underprice the B580, if they should choose to. Intel will never make money selling a 406mm^2 die on a big three-fan card for $249.
I play 0 games that have raytracing beyond Cyberpunk, most game sI use XeSS over fsr 1 or 2 and honestly it looks absolutely fine on my gtx 1080ti. im interested in raster and power draw and price to perf
im looking forward the the Battlemage 700 cards. Will definitely buy one of those over any amd card.
Basically, basically, BASICALLY.
I'll stick to my usual m.o., staying within the 200-250watt bracket for GPU's and then whatever manufacturer who gives the best price/performance ratio
many reviewers are already negative on the new Intel arc gpu's starting with their negative stinkfase thumbnails
Rightly so. 6700XT 12GB was going for 270 for over half a year, their gpu will be DOA with those prices. They fucked up with launch prices for Alchemist too, or have you forgotten already?
@@nameless.0190 not only that, they fumbled hard not releasing a 4070super competitor for 349 which was the original plan... So they canned that one and only revealed two cards.
If they did that, ppl would actually take notice.
I sure hope so. Literally better RT is all AMD has to do to kill nVidia market share.
The Wongsta:)
It's about time they got their Ray Tracing ducks in a row, to keep their console space.
Patch Tracing wanted, NOT RT.
sometimes i can't tell the difference between Nvidia and AMD hosts...🤔are they related to if you know what i mean?
Only path tracing is the real visual uplift, where even a 4090 is struggling with. So a 8800XT at the price of an 7900 GRE doesn't make much sense. Prices have to go way more down now that intel GPUs present serious numbers.
Between XT and XTX Raster performance (meaning really 4080 raster as well) and near 4080 Ray Tracing is totally fine. I really don't need to pay triple the price to get to 4090 levels.
Honestly I'll take a $599 16gb 4080/4080S from team red and consider that as "good enough" until 2027. I'm sure they'll eventually bring out an 8900XT but if it's gonna come with price gouging who wants it?
AMD arn't gonna be cheep. I hate to say this. Cos I'm a huge AMD fan. But for the sake of 40 quid. You may aswell get the card with the best ray tracing. And rastarisation combined.
As a 1080p gamer I'm more curious as to what the 8700xt looks like
Brother Sombhir, i can only be interested in AMD, if they improve their Stream Processors to handle Prductivity Load like Cuda, and then can increase their Stream Processors Count to 10740 or atleast a minimum 8248
Are they releasing a $300-350 gpu with 4070 performance in both raster and ray tracing next year?
8700 XT should be ~ 4070 Super performance for 399-450. Intel's lineup might be cheaper and offer 4070 performance at ~$350.
@@Silver-h4m If that;s true that will flop because nvidia 5060 or 5060 ti at $400 will basically be that.
@@4evahodlingdoge226 Guess we'll see
Reminds me of the Zen 1 release. "EPIC Improvement" only cause perf was so teririble with prior gens. While RT is gorgeous and I'm excited for it, it'll be only once it becomes a marginal perf hit ike how Tessellation and shaders evolved. Currently not concerned with RT, would've been more excited if it was Raster.
Don't expect the 8800XT to be a $500 RTX 4080. You'll probably be disappointed.
It'll be 4070 Ti Super performance for ~550-600
It'll probably be a $599 4070 Ti Super. Still not too bad at that price, but certainly no bargain. If that's where the performance numbers come to it's gotta be a $499 or $549 product to have meaningful market share.
If the Battlemage 580 dropped with 16GB and the 570 with 12GB I might have paid attention. As is, this limited memory will not cut it with modded games from the last decade, never mind new titles. The new resolution is 1440p and higher refresh rates are also becoming standard. When you add that to Intel's other offerings in CPU, I really do wonder what they hope to achieve. People get giddy about AMD, but they forget that nvidia and intel are still the giants in the market. However this kind of showing is just not good enough. Way too much pandering to the shareholders looking for their short term fix is putting them in a poor position. If they don't start addressing modern day consumer demands they will be left behind, so much for their share price then. Paul was right when he said these cards are niche. How is that going to help them?
The B580 already *doesn't* have the compute power to utilize 12GB in any relevant way, so why is 16GB "better"? This moronic VRAM obsession has to _stop_ ...
There should be a B750 and B770 coming with 16gb. I hope that comes by March, it'll probably need to for Intel to maintain any momentum generated by the B580.
b580 is 1080p card lmao, why would you need 16gb Vram? There is not a single game where you would need more than 12GB even on 1440p. You can play like 70-80% games with 12gb Vram even in 4k. B580's main bottleneck is not vram but compute.
@@darkfire3691 There's ALREADY games where you need more than 12gb at 1080p. Hardware unboxed covered this.
However, to need that much ram you need to be be running very high levels of Ray Tracing and usually frame gen as well.
Games like Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora, and Cyberpunk 2077 can all exceed 12gb.
You'd expect new AAA games released since then with path tracing to potentially face the same issues.
12gb will make do if you don't run ultra with raytracing and to be honest the B580 probably doesn't have the grunt to do that without tanking the framerate.
But 12gb is marginal now as a max settings 1080 card, let alone a 1440.
Really, 12gb should be the minimum for any card around the 4060 Ti/7600XT performance level, and even down around 4060 or 7600 level 10 gb should be a minimum now.
8gb is really for 1080 medium no RT now, and many games demand at least minimum levels of raytracing now.
@@AndyViant tell me at least one game where you need more than 12GB in 1080p. U can play at least 70-80% games fine with 12gb even on 4k , how i know? Because i have 4070 ti.
The end: darkness as black as tar.
literally 10 years, we only have around 50fps increase !!! TF !!!
If AMD isn't near 100% gains in RT performance they're hurting because even Intel 2nd gen GPUs will beat them. So, raster needs to increase about 25% going from the 7800 to the 8800 and same with the 7600 to 8600. That's it, because those GPUs arefine fine at their targeted resolution (1080p - 2K). Adding 25% will do them well. But RT performance has to jump 100% or 2X what RDNA 3 is. It HAS to or AMD is in trouble.
Low profile rx6400 successor, single slot. Nvidia Low profile are all double slot RXA2000, 3050, 4060. All double slot. Intel A380 and AMD rx6400 instead single slot. Huge market for 1L PC. The future is SFF and Energy efficiency. Battlemage 50% energy efficiency is huge, but rx6400 is still king. Nvidia has no market share in single slot SFF. What about RDNA4 SFF cards?
If AMDs top end card trades blows with its Previous gen high end with Rasteration but blows it away at RT and they sale it for say $400-550 they could pick up market share but it would kill all but entry RDNA3 sales. I'm hoping Intel can deliver and force AMD to keep prices down Nvidia won't care and will charge what they want till stock backs up on shelfs.
They need to fix their driver issues before i go back to team red
What driver issues? Haven’t had a problem in years.
@PHOBIAx57x HDR instability, poor workload performance, random BSODs, etc.
There are driver issues, and i unfortunately listened to tech content creators just because "more vram = good", and now im suffering for it.
Darn it these would have been a great GPU to pair with a Core i5 7400 or an i7 7700 if only it didn't have a broken memory controller making it require REBAR as a crutch otherwise the controller would stall and would stop working at its peak performance without it.
Comparing the 8800XT to the 7900XTX, is going to be a lot like comparing a Radeon RX-5700XT to a Vega64, or an R9-390x to an RX-480.
Seems unlike this time around. Performance should be slightly better than a 7900 XT (Raster) if we use RE4 as a benchmark (the game the leaks are based on). Type: '7900 XT vs 4080 in RE4' into the search bar, you'll notice it almost matches the 4080 in performance (because AMD GPUs do very well in this particular title). So if the 8800XT does roughly the same as the 4080 in that game (as per the leak), then we can infer that performance should be roughly 7900XT Tier.
I would bet my life that RDNA4 will be overhyped and under deliver. It's a tale as old as time.
N44 $250, N48 $400 best case scenario
5900 $650 , 5800 $500 best case also
@@broose5240are you alright man? I keep seeing you talk about these weird numbers. Do you mean the 5080 and 5090??
You do realise how pathetic it is that you're bigging up AMDs ray tracing performance based on a game that has next to no actual ray tracing?
And releases a 8800 at 699 - 799 and its gonna be a big winner . If its 50 bucks cheaper than 4080... ehh its less exciting by a lot.
Intel wins in the entry gaming class on paper.. but they have to deliver regarding drivers and work on their day 1 support for new titels... and thats the point where I am a bit sceptical. Can't complain too much considering the price
Regarding this release I say it's a much needed W for Intel. (atleast until AMD and Nvidia show us what they got)
7900XT level raster with %45 increased RT for 400-450$ will sell like hot cakes. It might be the new Polaris. I doubt Nvidia to price a similar performance card anything lower than 600-650$.
AMD: That will be $699
@@Augusto9588 DOA at 699, but 599 seems likely.
@@Augusto9588 We'll say: then leave it at the shop shelves.
But for how much 2x more then intels battlemage if amd puts it at $400 its game over for them and the same for nvidia.
Intel is setting the gpu market on fire with their prices at $249 and $220
Sorry, but in the vast majority of with/without ray tracing game demos, I can't tell the difference in image quality. IMO, it's an expensive gimmick employed by GPU manufacturers because they ran out of raster optimisation options, while ray tracing requires huge amounts of processing power, so they can keep developing it for many years to come, thereby allowing them to keep GPU prices sky-high.
It needs to be at 120Hz(/fps).. even when using RT
*Only 45% increase in ray tracing is not impressive. Should be at least 2x faster.*
Buy 4090
And RE2 barely uses any RT. It’s super easy to run compared to OFF
There are games with low “ray tracing” demands where 6000-series cards are perfectly competitive against their Nvidia counterparts. At the other extreme are a few games with really high demands where the Nvidia cards while also completely crumbling will have triple the framerate. An average increase of 45% across a bunch of games may very well include making up most of the disparity in those few heavy RT games. It really depends on what the frame of reference is behind the statement.
Bullshit Paul, i bet it will be far behind Ngreedia 5k series just as usual.
And Res4 is a very low load for a RT game.
The real question is how it wil stack up in pathtracing and AI work loads because that is the future if you want it to last.
just for a select group of people that would be so, yet most gamers don't give a damn about that and those would rather have a 600 euro card as a 1600 euro card. just like RT nobody i know uses it or even see it as a need to have.
@Mcorpmike Yes 90% of the market sure is a "Select group of people" LOL
@Mcorpmike I am talking about the Ngreedia market share and for the massive crowd that actually care about new features. I know you are a bit slow so I am spelling it out for you.
If this costs 300-350 for rx8800 xt then AMD may win and move some units and cut unto the nvidia pie chart. Otherwise it's just going to be same as always like it was with 5700xt with 480 580...
Your title should not say "Epic" but "Radiant". This not only covers the light aspect of ray tracing, but also sounds like Radeon.
this aint going to be less than 650-700$, esc if Nvidia continues current pricing.. RT in todays games i kind of a joke if you need high end gpu to hit 60fps at native 1440p without RT.. I am not sure i want to butcher resolution and insert fake frames just to get my reflexion in pound of watter..
Intel needs a Radeon 9700 Pro.
8800 XT and 8700 XT have 16 gb vram, what i like to keep 4-5 years the same GPU. Because i like to mod games too. Now whats the price of the custom models vs 5070 ti 16 gb vram version.
TO pay 300-350€ more for how much FPS and Traytracing winning. Maybe i buy a 8700 XT and replace it in 2 years with RNDA 5 mid range 9700 XT.
Whatever the performance is this alone will not convince nvidia fans. The price has to be really low to cut through the over 80% market share of nvidia.
Nice trimming
I cant wait, already built my pc.
Mobo: X870E Nova
CPU: 9800X3D
RAM: Trident Z5 Royal Neo(6400mhz/CL28
SSD: SK Hynix P41 Platinum 2TB
Case: darkFlash DY470
AMD has to sell these dirt cheap if the die is below 300mm². Anything else would just keep up the disasterous price levels that have been established during the last years.
BM at this price is DOA already.
No one cares about RT, what we want to know is AI upscaling. I bought nvidia RTX because DLSS is very good.
Yawn, wake me up when it has 4x the RT perf of a 7900XTX, then it might be almost usable. Says me, a 7900XTX owner who knows for the fact its RT is unusable/only exists on paper to trick people.
Zen 7c CPUs can't come fast enough
45% of piss poor 7900xtx ray tracing (path tracing specifically) is just a less stinky turd.
The regular PS5/6000 series can run RT in something like persona 3 reload just fine, but it is again too little too late. I would bet the 5070 has a 40% bump from the 4000 series
45% RT in RE4 Remake is the most suss piece of bullshit I have ever heard.
The problem with these leaks is, they don't say anything.
RE4 is such a weird yardstick for ray-tracing performance. It's perhaps the weakest RT I've ever seen in a game, just tiny little touches, so any mention of [x]% improvement is pretty empty.
Most People don't care about rt when actually play games but many of them do care about them when watching reviews that's why they get tricked to buy overpriced gpus
can't wait for them to sell the 8800xt for only $100 less than whatever Nshittification prices their 5080, so as to offset any reason to want to purchase AMDs GPUs, just like how they did last time.
/s
-_-
It's good considering
Gonna go out on a limb here... Those 'B5__' series cards won't sell. Intel isn't making the effort to compete, so they 'planning to Fail'.
The AMD fans saying they don't care about RT is the same cope we just saw from Sony fans. They didn't care about RT and 60FPS. Then as soon as they got a whiff of the PS5 Pro the truth came out...
If AMD's new card actually has decent RT performance and not the turgid experience of their beloved 7900xtx, then suddenly the AMD fans will change their tune.
I for one am interested to see how this thing performs when driving an ultrawide with RT. People complaining that only the 4090 can drive 4k sounds like the complaints of spendthrifts who jumped too early onto the cutting edge bandwagon
This.
Well said. These people are so predictable.
lolwat? Games are now forcing the raytracing thing?
Aaaaaand just like that, NOBODY wants AAA games anymore. GG no RE.
Finally, the modern successor of the budget champion ( -RX- B580) returns with a slightly changed name and now pretends to be an Intel GPU. Lol.
The future if graphics is ray tracing. AMD is at least 1 Generation behind. The who cares about Ray tracing question us just a dumb thing dumb people say and repeat
Thank god for 1.25x to take the edge off of your voice
AMD only have ONE chance to gain mindshare in this generation. Nvidia is so huge now that it can take the L this generation and slap AMD in the face with RTX 6000s
Just say it's a 4060 performance or better for 250.
It certainly not a 4060ti performance.
Ah yes the usual leaks claiming miracles from AMD. Are we really supposed to believe that AMD making relatively small changes to their RT pipeline suddenly results in far better proportional performance than Nvidia even though they're currently still far behind Nvidia's original implementation in the 20 series? Especially after the PS5 Pro's RT improvements (which are supposedly the same as RDNA4's) turned out to amount to pretty much nothing?
Doubling of RT cores per CU isn't exactly a "small pipeline change." The only reason why AMD has been behind Nvidia all this time is because Nvidia simply dedicates a lot more silicon to RT cores and Tensor cores. AMD's RT cores are significantly smaller, hence why their performance is so poor. Even Intel Arc Alechemist has larger RT cores, which is why their RT is miles ahead of AMD, and has Tensor cores, which is why their hardware-accelerated XeSS is also far superior to AMD's software-accelerated FSR.
It's all about what you're doing with the silicon, and AMD simply chose not to have any Tensor cores and skimp on the RT cores. It allowed them to make cheaper GPUs and still make fat margins.
@@hasnihossainsami8375 Yes you're exactly right about why AMD's RT support has been so poor. However from the PS5 Pro info they didn't double the RT cores, they just doubled the throughput of one part of the RT pipeline, a part that does not seem to make all that much difference in overall performance. I saw a chart a while back showing that RDNA3 was actually ahead of Turing in this particular spec, yet Turing's RT architecture is still far more performant. So unless RDNA4 completely overhauls the RT implementation, completely different from the PS5 Pro's changes which nobody has suggested as of yet, then I don't see how these wild performance rumors are even remotely possible.
@@nimbulan2020 Very sad news.
This is what AMD do best by build up the hype before launch with wrong or misleading "leaked" or pre release data and then release just another meh product.
Go AMD!!!
how the hell did we get this low as to being impressed with this garbage excuse for a gpu.
I know! I guess we should give Intel a participation trophy for releasing cutting edge gpus whose performance sits between last gen entry-level cards and soon-to-be released Strix Halo APU. 😂
4080 performance will not happen. Don't get your hopes up because it will only be a disappointment.
It is impossible with just 64 CU. RDNA3 would have to have a huge bottleneck that they just unclogged.
RDNA3 ended up clocked down massively from initial targets. They are talking something like 800MHz clock differences here too.
$7900xtx is $740.00 now , its not bad card at all , RT is similar to rtx4070 ti super $900.00 ,
now nvidia fangirls will say , well , we like dlss , oh we like AI , oh we like nvidia drivers , we just like only nvidia , period . we just want to talk shit about amd and kiss daddy jensen ass .
If Intel Battlemage does meet expectations, AMD should price RDNA4 accordingly or it will be DOA. RX8800 it shouldn't cost more than 699$
* $599
$549. 😂😂😂
@@strangedotmachine9281
I want 2 for a little over a grand 😂😂😂
$499
299
The 8800XT will be as fast as a 7900XTX in raster and "45%" better in RT?! Riiight! Do you actually read the stuff you write?
The 8800XT will be a modest uplift in raster over a 7800XT (yes, 7800, not 7900), and probably 10% (or more) slower than a 7900XT, let alone an XTX! RT might be "improved" on titles that use really weak RT, but games that *use* RT properly, like Cyberpunk, Control, etc. will only see very modest gains. Even a 45% "improvement" in RT over a 7900XT (not XTX) would still be pretty pathetic, but even that's *not* going happen.
You and MLID need to think a little harder when making ridiculous "leaked" proclamations about next-gen GPU performance.
TL/DR: the 8800XT will NOT be anywhere close to even a 4080 in games that actually use RT in any meaningful way. Also, the 8800XT's raster performance will be probably about 10%-15% worse than a 7900XT (not XTX!), meaning it will be a _decent_ generational uplift, not a *miracle* !
rx8800xt will be 15% faster raster and 30% better RT , for $499.00 comparing to rx7800xt cause amd only going from 5nm to 4nm here , unless amd wants to go after marketshare $450.00 will be very attractive.
it wont be $700 like some morons think , i know rtx5070 for sure be $650 this time , trump tarriffs stating in jan 2025. nvidia will pass that on to its fangirls , who will happily pay $800 for rtx5070 , cause they love their daddy jensen
Meh. Still under-powered for 4K.
+45% RT performance in Resident Evil IV isn't anything to write home about. The RT support in that game is extremely limited. How about performance in games that use path tracing like Alan Wake 2 and Cyber Punk? We want to know how games supporting tons of RT option including GI, AO, reflections, and the big daddy implementation of full path tracing perform vs AMD's last gen parts. Because Nvidia will also see an uplift in performance vs last gen across all their new parts, not just the 5090. And NV's parts demolished AMD in performance when high end implementations of RT were enabled, such as full path tracing.
Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 are not good rt references as both titles got sponsored by nvidia and not optimized for other vendors.
Who actually cares about ray tracing dude
Well, if you want to play Indiana Jones apparently, its required to play im sure it will not be the last game to require Ray tracing as a way to gate keep amd
Nobody.
Especially if these mid range card cost $500
@@sargentpayne the requirements mean majority of pc owners can't play it.. majority have 4060 and we all know in RT performance it is basically useless.
Path tracing is really the better technology but our current technology is still too undeveloped and unready for the tech.
Me !