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You say 500.000 is not much at all but I think that is absolutely HUGE and think that at least 500000 people got scammed by a overpriced, overhyped, DEAD platform with absolutely 0 support PC.... How can you compare to playstation ? You give 300 dollars and play God Of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, can Valve make a 300 dollars pc to play Cyberpunk PathTracing or Alan Wake 2 PathTracing RIGHT NOW or Half Life 3, at 300 dollars? Without absolutely ANY issue? Why are you hyping VALVe so hard? Have you been paid by someone??? You do not bring the Whole Truth out. Give an entire CONTEXT, because 500000 IS A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had a Alienware Alpha Console, which was basically a steam machine, during the initial start of the xbox one/ps4 era, and it was a stout little machine. I upped the memory to 8gb (came with 4),it had the GeForce 860M gpu, and unfortunately was the i3 version. I was able to play a lot of pc games for the time and a decent spec. I'd welcome Steam coming into the console market, mainly because Microsoft seems like they are on their way out, and just lean more to cloud, and having their app on so many devices. This way, if Steam comes in, Sony won't have a monopoly on the market.
If I could move away from Windows to MacOS or SteamOS and do both productivity work and gaming, I would do it in an instant. I hope we get to that point soon.
Yea i have to agree, the current opinion on them is they are putting all their games everywhere but don't want to say it. If your an XB/PC guy the only thing stopping you from switching to this thing would be gamepass and gamers are weird idk if thats enough to stop them.
It would entirely invalidate Xbox as a viable console option. Xbox games launch day one on Steam. So you get all Xbox games, the entire Steam library, and some PlayStaion games.
Ms have been positioning themselves as Netflix for games for a while now, doesn’t necessarily need to affect them. PS doesn’t have the amount of IP necessary to become a compelling subscription service without hardware involved. Steam box for home console and switch / switch 2 for handheld would cover all my needs entirely, the “big two” haven’t interested me in a decade at this point.
I've mostly been gaming through Proton since 2018 and it's leaps and bounds better now than before. It runs almost every game I throw at it, with the exception of kernel anti cheats though :)
Steam Deck board inside small box with bigger cooler push to 35W TDP at 199$ without SSD but with space for full size one can be enough for some people.
I doubt valve is going to release just a PC console themselves. I'm guessing it either pairs with the upcoming vr headset so valve has an all in one ecosystem and don't have to worry about windows downgrades/updates, or the os is being released to different manufacturers. I personally mostly abandoned consoles after getting my steam deck. Half because of the steam sale prices, and half because there's so many more games to choose from
know how its done!? the steam machines died at launch because there was like 3 iterations from 3 different companies the ONLY thing they got right was the steam deck since they handle it themselves.
People are (understandably) expecting it to be expensive. But what if it's just a permanently docked cheaper costing "Steam Deck" machine, for those that don't want a portable system and just want a cheaper, more competitive storefront to buy games from, compared to the likes of Sony.
You say 500.000 is not much at all but I think that is absolutely HUGE and think that at least 500000 people got scammed by a overpriced, overhyped, DEAD platform with absolutely 0 support PC.... How can you compare to playstation ? You give 300 dollars and play God Of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, can Valve make a 300 dollars pc to play Cyberpunk PathTracing or Alan Wake 2 PathTracing RIGHT NOW or Half Life 3, at 300 dollars? Without absolutely ANY issue? Why are you hyping VALVe so hard? Have you been paid by someone??? You do not bring the Whole Truth out. Give an entire CONTEXT, because 500000 IS A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, if Valve drops a killer console that's just like the Steam Deck, it'll totally crush the market. Gaming's gonna change big time with a third console in the mix; three choices instead of two. I'm all in on Steam. That's my pick.
@@tristman8413Steam Boxes were basically beefed up NUCs, but NUCs at the time were not there yet, the tech was not ready. The small form factor was a huge hindrance for performance at the time
I love the idea of Steam OS. There is software to use your computer to build a PC obviously, a server, a emulation console and a media centre. But there hasn't really been a good option to build a console for modern games until Steam OS. I am still hoping Windows adds a console mode that can be booted directly into though.
You could set steam to open big picture on launch. Giving your windows pc a console-like screen on boot. You can also add non steam games to steam, so you'd rarely need to access the desktop.
I've seen a lot of people confused on why SteamOS is as anticipated as it is, and in my opinion, its because it cuts out the middle men and general bloat seen on Windows, Mac, or even other Linux distributions. As of now, its specialised software for easy access PC gaming, and allows Valve greater control over the environment that the games they sell are running in. For example, let's say a Windows update somehow bricks a game that Valve sold through Steam. The customer is now upset and wants a refund. Valve can't fix this issue themselves, so they issue the refund and are now at the mercy of the games developers and/or Microsoft for fixing this issue. However, if a SteamOS update somehow bricks a game, Valve can now go in and apply a game specific hothix within the operating system itself, or outright revert any changes that bricked said game in the first place. They don't have to heavily rely on external factors anymore. They can just do it themselves, and much faster, and we've seem them do that multiple times with games on the Steam Deck. Even going as far as making some games preform better because they could change something on the backend. Now that still doesn't stop games braking or running poorly because the of something game developers have done, but neither dose the operating system on PlayStaion or Xbox.
Yep heck I plan on getting a Steam Deck 1TB Oled for Christmas and will be daily driving it. Now that I am working at a retail store I don't have the time for alot of gaming these days. :)
This would create a healthy competition of consoles, unlike Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo, which fight with exclusives AKA something anti-consumer. Steam Consoles would not have these anti-consumer issues, while still not pumping the prices cos multiple companies would work on it instead of being a monopoly.
I'm surprised that Valve didn't just offer the OS up for Download, and work with vendors like Asus, Dell, Acer, Minisforum, etc to have it included as the default OS for the small PC boxes that use the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (would perform about the same as the SteamDeck, if not a bit better). I'm surprised EPIC hasn't made their own front-end Big Picture Mode, like Steam, that runs under Windows and can boot into, again like Steam. And work with vendors with old parts (Ryzen 5000, RX-6000/7000) to make "EPIC Chest" machine....something like a small Console Like (not mini, but an MATX or ITX based PC, think Silverstone SUGO) box, Windows based, boots to "EPIC Picture Mode" have Fortnite, Fallguys and Rocket League, pre-installed, include 1,000 VBucks, sell a box with a Ryzen 5 5600+Radeon RX-6600 for $599.99 (undercut PS5-Pro). Beat Valve to the punch. I'd prefer if EPIC make a fork of SteamOS, based on Linux+Proton, would be bad-ass. I'd build my own SteamMachine and EPIC CHEST as the modern SNES and Genesis. Or just have one machine run both.
They can't yet. NVidia is the most common GPU and the OSS NVidia drivers are still under heavy development. SteamOS relies on a piece of software called Gamescope to make Game mode work (it's really NOT 'just' big picture mode)...that relies on a display protocol called Wayland that NVidia is not quite there yet with on their own proprietary drivers and the performance of the OSS drivers is not quite there yet. Valve take advantage of the AMD OSS drivers to the point of modifying/improving them to work with their OS....they will want the same with NVidia H/W.
@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 no way nvidia will open their drivers/or keep it up to date just for gaming. Too much work and too less $. Maybe they will do it once their apu hits the market.
@@bracusforge7964 🤣🤣🤣 on Linux there are open source drivers for all three GPU vendors along with the proprietary ones. The NVidia OSS drivers are not as mature as the AMD ones so probably have another year of development. They only hit Vulkan 1.3 conformity a few months ago and still need to implement RT and mesh shaders amongst perf improvements...unless Valve have been helping Collabora (company working on part of the OSS NVidia driver) out. Red Hat (IBM) are working on replacing another part of the Linux OSS driver for Turing and up GPUs.
@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418When the Nvidia drivers are sorted, with Windows 10 losing support, the lanes will be wide open for valve. If proton worked on arm, and Linux was fully functional on macs, a Mac mini would make a sweet console replacement.
It will be the Halo strix Max + chip in this steam console with egpu support hopefully through usb4 and oculink and the ability to upgrade the SSD maybe memory also ??
When the Steam Deck was announced at a $399 price point, I told my friends, This is the end of PlayStation! They called me crazy! I said “this means that the PS 5 All digital SHOULD have been a handheld and since that isn’t the case and they’ve let Valve enter the market with a HYBRID device that can plays ELDEN RING on DAY 1 at $399, it’s over for PlayStation “ ….. this just further proves my point! PlayStation’s ONLY saving grace is GTA6 only launching on consoles! That COULD buy PlayStation time to come up with a new strategy but, it’s pretty much over! PlayStation TRIED to enter the market with the PS Portal but it was already too late! For those who aren’t aware why this affect PlayStation more than XBox! 97% of the PC Gaming market runs on Windows OS! Xbox and Microsoft are about to launch a steam deck like device WITH a GAMING CENTERED Windows OS! This will mean, Steam OS and Windows OS will fight it out for who dominates “Gaming OS”….. think of Android on smart devices! Both Windows and Steam will fight to have their OS on as many gaming devices as possible! Just like your laptop might be Samsung but runs Windows and mine is Toshiba but runs windows….. the “console” will no longer be what it was in the past where the same company made the OS and Hardware! It’ll be Steam OS, Windows Gaming OS and Nintendo in the gaming space with PlayStation becoming the SEGA of this generation! I predict that the next MAJOR acquisition will be a big tech company buying PlayStation from Sony! Meta, Google etc …. Sony PlayStation is dead ! Remember, Sony DOMINATED portable audio until MP3 killed that! Sony DOMINATED home video until Streaming killed that….. that’s exactly where PlayStation is now… it won the home console era… it has NO CHANCE in the Server/OS era.
@@mehmetbekirbirden6858 Hardware helps, but software wins in the end. As you can see with the past like the Sega Dreamcast, far superior hardware yet Playstation & xbox beat them.
@ uhmmmmm……. Ever heard of … uhm… NINTENDO? they’ve only sold the most consoles of any console maker ever…. They also happen to ALWAYS have THE WORST “Hardware” of all the console makers.
You say 500.000 is not much at all but I think that is absolutely HUGE and think that at least 500000 people got scammed by a overpriced, overhyped, DEAD platform with absolutely 0 support PC.... How can you compare to playstation ? You give 300 dollars and play God Of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, can Valve make a 300 dollars pc to play Cyberpunk PathTracing or Alan Wake 2 PathTracing RIGHT NOW or Half Life 3, at 300 dollars? Without absolutely ANY issue? Why are you hyping VALVe so hard? Have you been paid by someone??? You do not bring the Whole Truth out. Give an entire CONTEXT, because 500000 IS A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I actualy have build Ryzen 5 8500G based pc last week, and installed ChimeraOS on it, that is fork of deck os, but for PCs. And it is GREAT. Now i play games more often than before, for it is much easier to power it up and start the game than using Windows (from my couch, gamepad and big screen tv). I only hope that Valve will soon issue new version SteamOS available to download, with easier non Steam games installation.
I'm mostly just interested in this, because it would help promote Linux as a viable alternative gaming OS to Windows. Given how self-destructive Microsoft has become in recent years, I think that's more important than ever. However, if the new Steam Machines offer good bang for the buck, I'll probably pick up one eventually. Probably not right away, mind you. I just bought a mini-PC for indie games, older games, emulation, and to function as an HTPC. But, maybe in another 2-3 years, if it looks like these things are going to be well supported. We'll see.
You say 500.000 is not much at all but I think that is absolutely HUGE and think that at least 500000 people got scammed by a overpriced, overhyped, DEAD platform with absolutely 0 support PC.... How can you compare to playstation ? You give 300 dollars and play God Of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, can Valve make a 300 dollars pc to play Cyberpunk PathTracing or Alan Wake 2 PathTracing RIGHT NOW or Half Life 3, at 300 dollars? Without absolutely ANY issue? Why are you hyping VALVe so hard? Have you been paid by someone??? You do not bring the Whole Truth out. Give an entire CONTEXT, because 500000 IS A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Once valve gets steam OS ready for desktops its gonna be over for Windows for gamers. If they can get support to a good spot for hardware no one who understands how trash windows is will stay. You can run pretty much any windows software on it so there's no reason to keep windows if the performance is similar.
Hi, there is a potential new secretive processor for this Steam OS macnine. A very little low energy cheap parrallel processor that can come in a 6Ghzx40 core configuration, which is 240Ghz processing power (is suspect even higher on a cutting edge non low energy fab node). Likely between 32 and 64 bits. Sort of thing you could put in a watch, if you had big enough battery). The thing has been manufactured, but is not released to the public, so hardly any public information. But, I think one guy working on it was talking a few milliwatts, where ever the who chip or per core, I'm not sure, but likely at a low energy manufacturing node at 1.5Ghz or less per chip. But still a good indication that this is suitable for a nandheld at 6Ghz. These sort of low energy nodes can go below 600mhz. We have the US Based low energy processor record holder in another company (green arrays) who also has an advanced chip design they would like to get done. 10Ghz+ would not be out of the question. The 6Ghz one talked about, I would imagine has some other processing functions apart from cpu. Paired with a gpu, it may make a nice all-around gaming platform. So, as we are moving to x86 Windows code on Arm platforms, the way to make these near native speed are getting well understood. So, it's possible that a really cheap chip like the agregate 240Ghz processing power one above could be used to run Linux and proton and transliterate x86 windows code into it's native code, and run on pocket, handheld and desktop machines, completely breaking the x86, arm and riscv monopolies. Like I long wanted to do. There is this potential contender floating about being kept under wraps. What you haven't addressed, is if it is a Nintendo Switch like processing environment, with multiple portable devices which can connect to a wireless/hard dock with its own beefier processor, allowing multiple play of freinds come over. This would likely use a full hdmi.
Gaming on a PC or TV is old news. I have Xream AR glasses, I can tell you the next gaming breakthrough will be AR. Valve needs to work on their own pair of XR glasses and they need to focus on low weight and comfort. Since I got Xreals, I cannot go back to gaming on TV. But they still have a lot of room for improvement
LMFAO steam doesn't control if the games have denuvo or not. Stop buying games with denuvo if you hate them so much but nah you can't possibly not support your favourite devs right ?
@AlphariousOmegon-d5d Don't worry, nobody wants to be a game dev. You get overworked, underpaid, and blamed for everything. Out of all my time in college, I haven't met someone that was learning to become a game developer. Why make games when you can make money?
Sony won’t do it, Microsoft is thinking about doing it but is going to be late to the party so Valve, LFG! I will spend 600-700 on a Valve console for the PC/ Console experience. LFG 😤
I have a PC with a 3080 and I own Steamdeck..if valve makes a steam pc/console than can run games in 4k at 100/144fps (using techs) for less then 1500€ I will buy it
If it is a console like system (VR maybe another option), it will run linux (Valve a few months back have officially sponsored Arch Linux [btw] - which is the base for their SteamOS on the Deck) - hardware most likely be AMD - amd on linux is 'generally' 5-10% faster than windows (nvidia is currently about 10% slower) - there is still more perf to be had for linux (amd/nvidia) once wayland goes full native - probably next year. Linux is in a funny spot where they have been working on moving from X11 to Wayland, and transitioning with xWayland. the AMD drivers are open source and baked into the kernel. If it sells well it may assist in less devs using kernel level anti-cheat (nobody should be supporting kernel level anti-cheat so would be a good thing for the users across the board). The old steam machines failed as they needed devs to port windows games to linux native as WINE wasn't developed. Of course this didn't happen, since then VALVE has been working with WINE, developing proton so now pretty much any game is great day 1 launch (anticheat is a different matter).
I have both XBOX and PlayStation and would love to see a Steam console. Personally I am fed up of both of them and having a console from Steam that would allow me to play PC games would be a no-brainer for me.
I already use SteamOS on my main desktop system. It's great. Being free of Windows and all their modern adversarial nonsense is amazing. But I would really love to be able to purchase a console-like system that just works out of the box. I hate building PCs and dealing with drivers and other software nonsense. But I can't go to a console because they are too closed off and restrictive in what you could do. Valve could finally bridge the gap with a new Steam Machine. The stage is properly set this time.
It gets exaggerated how much gaming on Linux grew because of the SteamDeck. Yes, non-tech-savy users started to use Linux for gaming thanks to the SteamDeck, no argument about that. But the Linux marketshare for gaming only doubled at best, that is nice and good but Linuxgaming was a thing before the SteamDeck and by far the most games just ran fine before the SteamDeck got launched. However, the SteamDeck did give Valve some pressure to finally remove DRM on a few games which still were broken because of that DRM, for example BioSchok Infinite (before then only playable natively with OpenGL, that gives atrocious performance, especially on AMD-GPU's).
If anything like a console it's going be a console to play game but it's may going be a way to stream games to a VR headset or steam deck. Like to have another part to VR is show people who don't have a pc you can get this cheap box to stream to the VR if you don't have a pc and have another easy way play in play or people don't want tinker with windows to use the vr headset. LIke set up and go play, but still the console box can play game if people want to use it that way. just guesting here
This could be cool. Make it have like a ps5 pro power level apu and add a pcie slot for people to add their own amd gpu if they want more power. Could be really cool.
More like it’s over for Xbox PlayStation will be fine same with Nintendo they ain’t going anywhere. Now Xbox on the other hand should be the ones shaking in there boots.
@@daveyfgn this will do nothing to PS. As others have said it will most likely just affect Xbox.... even then I reakon it will flop harder then xbox has this gen.
To me the biggest thing to expect from Valve is a SteamOS for every PC and device.. A gamer alternative to Windows... Linux for idiots so to say. That will happen.
SteamOS is NOT a desktop distro and if you are going for it, you'll just end up back on Windows within a month. EndeavourOS is based on Arch, _actually up-to-date,_ and not a locked down system. It's meant for desktop use and will give you BETTER gaming performance while also not limiting you with what you can do on it.
@AQDuck steamos 1 is not a Desktop distro. Let's wait with what they come up in the next couple of years. ;) U are correct on everything, but arch Linux isn't for idiots like me.
@@eQui253 SteamOS 1.0 was Debian based and released in 2013, what the Deck uses is SteamOS 3.0. Valve will not make a Desktop version of it because, as per their very own recommendations, those distros already exists and it makes no sense for them to create yet another one. "Noob-friendly" Arch distros exists in the form of Endeavour, Manjaro, etc. Just install Steam on it and start playing, it's that easy.
The thing is that everyone already owns a windows PC for work, school or all the stuff you generally own a PC for. And if you already own one why not game on it too if you're going to game? So that market isn't going to be interested in steam os. As for the people who want s dedicated gaming device, can you really beat players as entrenched as a PS, Xbox and Nintendo?
Well it comes down to games. Steam has more games than any other console platform out there. If they create a controller that can do all types of games, have the right price point and performance, and offer the similar type of services, Valve can dominate this space. Right now, though, they don’t need to dominate. They just need to sell enough hardware to justify the cost of developing it, just like with Steam Deck. And those are flying off the shelves. Valve wants to replicate this model with a home console unit. Zen5/RDNA4 are good candidates for that as well. Better than PS5 Pro with more games that support the horsepower.
ahh yeah - they were relying on game devs creating linux native titles when WINE wasn't really up and running. WINE/Proton can play anything now so they aren't relying on native linux ports.
@@user-dz3ph7dl4m I'm pretty sure there was a bit more then just that... I do remember Steam boxes being pretty low end. It's like Dell and it's Ubuntu based notebooks - my god where those crappy low end spec systems... That is why back in those days, I got my self a Vostro 1720, removed Windows Vista Business and copied my Linux install over to the system and work my way through a tons of BIOS bugs - but it's landed me a good quality long term usable notebook, with good specs (including a nice Geforce 9600 GT mobile dGPU and a 1920x1600 display). Now mind you, back in those days, iGPU's really stank for gaming... The iGPU;s today are way more usable for gaming. And yes,WINE has quite the....learning curve (I know it well these days, but it wasn't exactly easy to learn in the beginning (2006 for me), esp for a non-technical new to Linux user...And esp verses Proton. Just have to see how it all works out. Cheers! 🙂
@@kuhpunkt I guess most of the ones I seen back in the day where all low end machines then. I'm just hopeful they can. And I may even try out SteamOS on my gaming system.
Not sure why they would make this considering their audience. Unless it’s really competitively priced or are willing to do bad so that they can gradually get some out reach to console users.
Making a new OS compatible with all existing and future hardware/components, is a huge ordeal. It is not easy. They will not offer SteamOS to the public until the compatibility issues are resolved.
Whatever it is, it won't be a traditional console as we know it. I'm betting it'll be a portable console hybrid like the Switch, but with an eGPU dock. A dockable Steam Deck. Essentially a Super Switch running Steam that has docked and mobile performance profiles, where the docked mode sees a dramatic leap in visual fidelity. I think Xbox is heading in the same direction.
SteamOS is NOT a desktop distro and if you are going for it, you'll just end up back on Windows within a month. EndeavourOS is based on Arch, _actually up-to-date,_ and not a locked down system. It's meant for desktop use and will give you BETTER gaming performance while also not limiting you with what you can do on it.
Steam Machines were not competitive with consoles at that time. Cost more, less power, and the OS was under cooked. Just like the controller, it was too soon. With this go, we need a dedicated box, not partnered. It needs to be seamless in UX and competitive price and hardware wise with Xbox and Sony's offerings.
just make a series X with more ram. Strong enough, but also weak enough to become THE future handheld development target. i thought MS would execute this obvious plan. Valve doing it with SteamOS would exactly what gaming needs.
If Microsoft can put the series S in handheld form with more RAM, that would be a good first handheld. And we'd already have a large library of games to play.
Knew this would happen. It was pretty dumb of xbox and Playstation to launch on pc. Fine for short term extra profits but demolishes any reason to buy into it in the future. Doesn't help they charge for online and saves
The console market is stagnant and possibly shrinking. With gamers basically tied to the consoles their libraries are on I dont see large numbers of Playstation or Xbox owners moving over to a Steam machine. What I do see is PC gamers who may want a console like experience on their big screen in their living room buying a steam machine as opposed to streaming from their PC or running long cables from room to room.
I have convinced five console gamer coworkers to buy steam decks, and they LOVE them. This is unprecedented. They love how easy it is to emulate classic consoles on it, the massive library of steam games, infinite backwards compatibility, family sharing, etc. It also shatters the "You need a $3000 pc to play pc games" nonsense. A legitimate Steam console is going to make people leave Xbox & Playstation, like its the rapture.
try nobara or bazzite , both are free , open source gaming distro & u can use on personal device . bazzite feels more close to steam os . i have tried only nobara , works pretty solid .
Cant see it making a massive difference in the end, unless its really cheap. You can pick up a PS5 for around $350 and have day one access to their games.
One thing they could add to this is remote play, the ability to run the game elsewhere (online services and the home pc). So it can run it's own stuff, things under proton perhaps, and things on you're home pc and remote gaming services like Nvidia's. This could signigicantly expand it's appeal and customer base.
@kaseyboles30 the phone app of steam link can launch into the desktop so you can remotely use your computer to do whatever you normally do on your computer
I only want a home console. Switch has my handheld gaming covered, and the games in the Steam library I want to play (ie non-Nintendo AAA games), I want to play on the tv, not handheld.
Extremely unlikely Valve is making a new console this soon. Maybe in another generation or two, but until then I'll take all these rumors/leaks with a large grain of salt.
11:30 this sounds terrible. Why would you go the console route when you can make the steam deck have a seamless docking experience like the switch. I don’t want valve getting into the console market.
Easy buy for me I’m done with consoles but PCs are too expensive and difficult to understand. Give me pro power with a better cpu, modding, and pc exclusives for under 1000
Personally i wont buy a steam console ill stick with my pc and steam deck i also have alot of other accounts besides steam /like gog /epic and xbox app . Cool idea if they do it will give consoles more competition which they do need.
Dont worry. I can hate Microsoft and Windows for you. This Valve Home Console sounds great. If that console is a success, then competitors will have to get better or suffer.
Unless Valve creates a company around curating regular releases and bankrolls AAA exclusives the resukts will be the same as the last Steam Machine failure. Gabe Newell just does the seem to really want to have an active role in much of any large corporate entity like PlayStation. If Sony switches to Apple Silicon AMD will likely launch a console and Nvidia might as well. One of them might tap Sega to partner with.
@ Steam Machines failed for a number of reasons, including: • Market demand: Steam Machines tried to bridge the gap between consoles and home computers, but most consumers preferred one or the other. • Performance: A 2015 Ars Technica report found that games performed worse on SteamOS than on Windows 10. • External manufacturers: Steam Machines relied on external manufacturers, which created challenges.
its very unlikely that sony will switch to apple silicion, since apple silicon is just arm customized for apple, its more likely they will negotiate directly with arm instead.
Playstation needs keyboard&mouse support for RTS and build games. Even still, I prefer keyboard&mouse for Diablo like isometric action rpg's, needless to say turn based ones like BG3.
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You say 500.000 is not much at all but I think that is absolutely HUGE and think that at least 500000 people got scammed by a overpriced, overhyped, DEAD platform with absolutely 0 support PC.... How can you compare to playstation ? You give 300 dollars and play God Of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, can Valve make a 300 dollars pc to play Cyberpunk PathTracing or Alan Wake 2 PathTracing RIGHT NOW or Half Life 3, at 300 dollars? Without absolutely ANY issue? Why are you hyping VALVe so hard? Have you been paid by someone??? You do not bring the Whole Truth out. Give an entire CONTEXT, because 500000 IS A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The world needs a sustained, price efficient gaming pc period.
I had a Alienware Alpha Console, which was basically a steam machine, during the initial start of the xbox one/ps4 era, and it was a stout little machine. I upped the memory to 8gb (came with 4),it had the GeForce 860M gpu, and unfortunately was the i3 version. I was able to play a lot of pc games for the time and a decent spec. I'd welcome Steam coming into the console market, mainly because Microsoft seems like they are on their way out, and just lean more to cloud, and having their app on so many devices. This way, if Steam comes in, Sony won't have a monopoly on the market.
If I could move away from Windows to MacOS or SteamOS and do both productivity work and gaming, I would do it in an instant. I hope we get to that point soon.
Why? Windows is superior in every way shape and form talk about a downgrade but you do you 😊
@kirby21-xz4rx nice bait comment, bro
@RyneLanders question what about steam os is better let along mac?
Who is stopping you? Why can you not do it?
@Dave_Parrott programs, of course.
Won't this affect Xbox way more than PlayStation?
Why? Curious about your reasoning.
Yea i have to agree, the current opinion on them is they are putting all their games everywhere but don't want to say it. If your an XB/PC guy the only thing stopping you from switching to this thing would be gamepass and gamers are weird idk if thats enough to stop them.
It would entirely invalidate Xbox as a viable console option.
Xbox games launch day one on Steam. So you get all Xbox games, the entire Steam library, and some PlayStaion games.
Ms have been positioning themselves as Netflix for games for a while now, doesn’t necessarily need to affect them. PS doesn’t have the amount of IP necessary to become a compelling subscription service without hardware involved.
Steam box for home console and switch / switch 2 for handheld would cover all my needs entirely, the “big two” haven’t interested me in a decade at this point.
Xbox is on there way out
I've mostly been gaming through Proton since 2018 and it's leaps and bounds better now than before. It runs almost every game I throw at it, with the exception of kernel anti cheats though :)
What is proton? Never heard of it
@ a translation layer that makes it possible for Windows applications and games to run in Linux :)
@@erikreider that's amazing. Will try it
Steam Deck board inside small box with bigger cooler push to 35W TDP at 199$ without SSD but with space for full size one can be enough for some people.
I'd buy that without question.
I doubt valve is going to release just a PC console themselves. I'm guessing it either pairs with the upcoming vr headset so valve has an all in one ecosystem and don't have to worry about windows downgrades/updates, or the os is being released to different manufacturers.
I personally mostly abandoned consoles after getting my steam deck. Half because of the steam sale prices, and half because there's so many more games to choose from
Why wouldn't they release it themselves? They now know how it's done.
know how its done!? the steam machines died at launch because there was like 3 iterations from 3 different companies the ONLY thing they got right was the steam deck since they handle it themselves.
@@michaelcasiano9497 Yes, they know how it's done. They are making hardware themselves now.
well they better not fuck this up, this would spare everyone from building a rig themselves.
@@michaelcasiano9497 that's the point.
People are (understandably) expecting it to be expensive. But what if it's just a permanently docked cheaper costing "Steam Deck" machine, for those that don't want a portable system and just want a cheaper, more competitive storefront to buy games from, compared to the likes of Sony.
Make it make sense bro😂
I suspect they will make a powerhouse for around $500.
A steambox that played current triple AAA titles at native 1080p at 60fps, for around $399, would sell like hotcakes.
You say 500.000 is not much at all but I think that is absolutely HUGE and think that at least 500000 people got scammed by a overpriced, overhyped, DEAD platform with absolutely 0 support PC.... How can you compare to playstation ? You give 300 dollars and play God Of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, can Valve make a 300 dollars pc to play Cyberpunk PathTracing or Alan Wake 2 PathTracing RIGHT NOW or Half Life 3, at 300 dollars? Without absolutely ANY issue? Why are you hyping VALVe so hard? Have you been paid by someone??? You do not bring the Whole Truth out. Give an entire CONTEXT, because 500000 IS A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, if Valve drops a killer console that's just like the Steam Deck, it'll totally crush the market. Gaming's gonna change big time with a third console in the mix; three choices instead of two. I'm all in on Steam. That's my pick.
Sticking it in microsofts and sonys ass with one go, what a play. Love you Gabe
Would love to see external gpu support with thunderbolt 5 or oculink options.
i remember the steam box way back when
Seems most people forgot about that 😂
@@tristman8413 Considering they didn't really go anywhere it's understandable most people forgot.
@@tristman8413Steam Boxes were basically beefed up NUCs, but NUCs at the time were not there yet, the tech was not ready. The small form factor was a huge hindrance for performance at the time
I love the idea of Steam OS. There is software to use your computer to build a PC obviously, a server, a emulation console and a media centre. But there hasn't really been a good option to build a console for modern games until Steam OS. I am still hoping Windows adds a console mode that can be booted directly into though.
You could set steam to open big picture on launch. Giving your windows pc a console-like screen on boot. You can also add non steam games to steam, so you'd rarely need to access the desktop.
I've seen a lot of people confused on why SteamOS is as anticipated as it is, and in my opinion, its because it cuts out the middle men and general bloat seen on Windows, Mac, or even other Linux distributions.
As of now, its specialised software for easy access PC gaming, and allows Valve greater control over the environment that the games they sell are running in.
For example, let's say a Windows update somehow bricks a game that Valve sold through Steam. The customer is now upset and wants a refund.
Valve can't fix this issue themselves, so they issue the refund and are now at the mercy of the games developers and/or Microsoft for fixing this issue.
However, if a SteamOS update somehow bricks a game, Valve can now go in and apply a game specific hothix within the operating system itself, or outright revert any changes that bricked said game in the first place.
They don't have to heavily rely on external factors anymore. They can just do it themselves, and much faster, and we've seem them do that multiple times with games on the Steam Deck. Even going as far as making some games preform better because they could change something on the backend.
Now that still doesn't stop games braking or running poorly because the of something game developers have done, but neither dose the operating system on PlayStaion or Xbox.
Valve is the middle man and Steam is the bloat...
They can just take a mobile APU from a next gen Steam Deck and slap on a cooler that is much stronger and just overclock the hell out of it.
Yep heck I plan on getting a Steam Deck 1TB Oled for Christmas and will be daily driving it. Now that I am working at a retail store I don't have the time for alot of gaming these days. :)
As someone who's still on windows 10 I'm more interested in SteamOS so I wont have to downgrade to windows 11 next year when windows 10 support ends.
This would create a healthy competition of consoles, unlike Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo, which fight with exclusives AKA something anti-consumer.
Steam Consoles would not have these anti-consumer issues, while still not pumping the prices cos multiple companies would work on it instead of being a monopoly.
I'm surprised that Valve didn't just offer the OS up for Download, and work with vendors like Asus, Dell, Acer, Minisforum, etc to have it included as the default OS for the small PC boxes that use the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (would perform about the same as the SteamDeck, if not a bit better).
I'm surprised EPIC hasn't made their own front-end Big Picture Mode, like Steam, that runs under Windows and can boot into, again like Steam. And work with vendors with old parts (Ryzen 5000, RX-6000/7000) to make "EPIC Chest" machine....something like a small Console Like (not mini, but an MATX or ITX based PC, think Silverstone SUGO) box, Windows based, boots to "EPIC Picture Mode" have Fortnite, Fallguys and Rocket League, pre-installed, include 1,000 VBucks, sell a box with a Ryzen 5 5600+Radeon RX-6600 for $599.99 (undercut PS5-Pro). Beat Valve to the punch.
I'd prefer if EPIC make a fork of SteamOS, based on Linux+Proton, would be bad-ass.
I'd build my own SteamMachine and EPIC CHEST as the modern SNES and Genesis. Or just have one machine run both.
They can't yet. NVidia is the most common GPU and the OSS NVidia drivers are still under heavy development. SteamOS relies on a piece of software called Gamescope to make Game mode work (it's really NOT 'just' big picture mode)...that relies on a display protocol called Wayland that NVidia is not quite there yet with on their own proprietary drivers and the performance of the OSS drivers is not quite there yet. Valve take advantage of the AMD OSS drivers to the point of modifying/improving them to work with their OS....they will want the same with NVidia H/W.
@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 no way nvidia will open their drivers/or keep it up to date just for gaming. Too much work and too less $. Maybe they will do it once their apu hits the market.
@@bracusforge7964 🤣🤣🤣 on Linux there are open source drivers for all three GPU vendors along with the proprietary ones. The NVidia OSS drivers are not as mature as the AMD ones so probably have another year of development. They only hit Vulkan 1.3 conformity a few months ago and still need to implement RT and mesh shaders amongst perf improvements...unless Valve have been helping Collabora (company working on part of the OSS NVidia driver) out. Red Hat (IBM) are working on replacing another part of the Linux OSS driver for Turing and up GPUs.
Why? Steam is for pcs not consoles 😂
@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418When the Nvidia drivers are sorted, with Windows 10 losing support, the lanes will be wide open for valve.
If proton worked on arm, and Linux was fully functional on macs, a Mac mini would make a sweet console replacement.
It will be the Halo strix Max + chip in this steam console with egpu support hopefully through usb4 and oculink and the ability to upgrade the SSD maybe memory also ??
When the Steam Deck was announced at a $399 price point, I told my friends, This is the end of PlayStation! They called me crazy! I said “this means that the PS 5 All digital SHOULD have been a handheld and since that isn’t the case and they’ve let Valve enter the market with a HYBRID device that can plays ELDEN RING on DAY 1 at $399, it’s over for PlayStation “ ….. this just further proves my point! PlayStation’s ONLY saving grace is GTA6 only launching on consoles! That COULD buy PlayStation time to come up with a new strategy but, it’s pretty much over! PlayStation TRIED to enter the market with the PS Portal but it was already too late!
For those who aren’t aware why this affect PlayStation more than XBox! 97% of the PC Gaming market runs on Windows OS! Xbox and Microsoft are about to launch a steam deck like device WITH a GAMING CENTERED Windows OS!
This will mean, Steam OS and Windows OS will fight it out for who dominates “Gaming OS”….. think of Android on smart devices! Both Windows and Steam will fight to have their OS on as many gaming devices as possible! Just like your laptop might be Samsung but runs Windows and mine is Toshiba but runs windows….. the “console” will no longer be what it was in the past where the same company made the OS and Hardware!
It’ll be Steam OS, Windows Gaming OS and Nintendo in the gaming space with PlayStation becoming the SEGA of this generation! I predict that the next MAJOR acquisition will be a big tech company buying PlayStation from Sony! Meta, Google etc …. Sony PlayStation is dead !
Remember, Sony DOMINATED portable audio until MP3 killed that! Sony DOMINATED home video until Streaming killed that….. that’s exactly where PlayStation is now… it won the home console era… it has NO CHANCE in the Server/OS era.
When it is about gaming, best hardware wins, not the software.
@@mehmetbekirbirden6858 Hardware helps, but software wins in the end. As you can see with the past like the Sega Dreamcast, far superior hardware yet Playstation & xbox beat them.
@ uhmmmmm……. Ever heard of … uhm… NINTENDO? they’ve only sold the most consoles of any console maker ever…. They also happen to ALWAYS have THE WORST “Hardware” of all the console makers.
You say 500.000 is not much at all but I think that is absolutely HUGE and think that at least 500000 people got scammed by a overpriced, overhyped, DEAD platform with absolutely 0 support PC.... How can you compare to playstation ? You give 300 dollars and play God Of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, can Valve make a 300 dollars pc to play Cyberpunk PathTracing or Alan Wake 2 PathTracing RIGHT NOW or Half Life 3, at 300 dollars? Without absolutely ANY issue? Why are you hyping VALVe so hard? Have you been paid by someone??? You do not bring the Whole Truth out. Give an entire CONTEXT, because 500000 IS A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I actualy have build Ryzen 5 8500G based pc last week, and installed ChimeraOS on it, that is fork of deck os, but for PCs. And it is GREAT. Now i play games more often than before, for it is much easier to power it up and start the game than using Windows (from my couch, gamepad and big screen tv). I only hope that Valve will soon issue new version SteamOS available to download, with easier non Steam games installation.
I'm mostly just interested in this, because it would help promote Linux as a viable alternative gaming OS to Windows. Given how self-destructive Microsoft has become in recent years, I think that's more important than ever. However, if the new Steam Machines offer good bang for the buck, I'll probably pick up one eventually. Probably not right away, mind you. I just bought a mini-PC for indie games, older games, emulation, and to function as an HTPC. But, maybe in another 2-3 years, if it looks like these things are going to be well supported. We'll see.
If its not cheap its not going to work anyone with a current console wont buy it and pc gamers wont buy it.
If its not cheap its DOA.
@@hvdiv17 We already know it's DOA.
Doesn't have to "be cheap". Just needs to be competitively priced. So $500 for example.
If they make one with the same specs as the deck, it would be cheaper as the oled and other components wouldn’t be necessary.
Valve can afford to sell it at a loss like the Steam Deck -- subsidized by their 30% from indies and their billions from child gambling addicts.
You say 500.000 is not much at all but I think that is absolutely HUGE and think that at least 500000 people got scammed by a overpriced, overhyped, DEAD platform with absolutely 0 support PC.... How can you compare to playstation ? You give 300 dollars and play God Of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, can Valve make a 300 dollars pc to play Cyberpunk PathTracing or Alan Wake 2 PathTracing RIGHT NOW or Half Life 3, at 300 dollars? Without absolutely ANY issue? Why are you hyping VALVe so hard? Have you been paid by someone??? You do not bring the Whole Truth out. Give an entire CONTEXT, because 500000 IS A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Once valve gets steam OS ready for desktops its gonna be over for Windows for gamers. If they can get support to a good spot for hardware no one who understands how trash windows is will stay. You can run pretty much any windows software on it so there's no reason to keep windows if the performance is similar.
Hi, there is a potential new secretive processor for this Steam OS macnine. A very little low energy cheap parrallel processor that can come in a 6Ghzx40 core configuration, which is 240Ghz processing power (is suspect even higher on a cutting edge non low energy fab node). Likely between 32 and 64 bits. Sort of thing you could put in a watch, if you had big enough battery). The thing has been manufactured, but is not released to the public, so hardly any public information. But, I think one guy working on it was talking a few milliwatts, where ever the who chip or per core, I'm not sure, but likely at a low energy manufacturing node at 1.5Ghz or less per chip. But still a good indication that this is suitable for a nandheld at 6Ghz. These sort of low energy nodes can go below 600mhz. We have the US Based low energy processor record holder in another company (green arrays) who also has an advanced chip design they would like to get done. 10Ghz+ would not be out of the question. The 6Ghz one talked about, I would imagine has some other processing functions apart from cpu. Paired with a gpu, it may make a nice all-around gaming platform.
So, as we are moving to x86 Windows code on Arm platforms, the way to make these near native speed are getting well understood. So, it's possible that a really cheap chip like the agregate 240Ghz processing power one above could be used to run Linux and proton and transliterate x86 windows code into it's native code, and run on pocket, handheld and desktop machines, completely breaking the x86, arm and riscv monopolies. Like I long wanted to do. There is this potential contender floating about being kept under wraps.
What you haven't addressed, is if it is a Nintendo Switch like processing environment, with multiple portable devices which can connect to a wireless/hard dock with its own beefier processor, allowing multiple play of freinds come over. This would likely use a full hdmi.
Could this not be a upgraded dock for the deck?
Gaming on a PC or TV is old news. I have Xream AR glasses, I can tell you the next gaming breakthrough will be AR.
Valve needs to work on their own pair of XR glasses and they need to focus on low weight and comfort.
Since I got Xreals, I cannot go back to gaming on TV. But they still have a lot of room for improvement
Valve Deckard
With AMD strix point coming out! That would be a great APU to build a console around!
If this is under $700 they're going to dominate and literally take over the market
Lets see the price 👀👀
I'm not buying a Steam console if Denuvo is on the damn system.
LMFAO steam doesn't control if the games have denuvo or not. Stop buying games with denuvo if you hate them so much but nah you can't possibly not support your favourite devs right ?
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat you have favourite game devs? that's a bit lame! i hope they all lose their jobs and go into massive debt.
If you hate denuvo, p!rate your games, simple as
@AlphariousOmegon-d5d Don't worry, nobody wants to be a game dev. You get overworked, underpaid, and blamed for everything. Out of all my time in college, I haven't met someone that was learning to become a game developer. Why make games when you can make money?
Who cares.
I am really hoping Valve keeps facilitating Windows to Linux transition for gaming....
Sony won’t do it, Microsoft is thinking about doing it but is going to be late to the party so Valve, LFG! I will spend 600-700 on a Valve console for the PC/ Console experience. LFG 😤
I have a PC with a 3080 and I own Steamdeck..if valve makes a steam pc/console than can run games in 4k at 100/144fps (using techs) for less then 1500€ I will buy it
Not many consumers will. Not going to happen
I hope you dig more on this, and update us with new videos, I´m very interested, thank you
A well designed box with upgradeable ram CPU and GPU in small form factor , console controller experience with steam os.
I would buy a Steam console for my bedroom.
I've still not forgiven Paul for overhyping PS5 Pro 😂. I sent mine back to Amazon! Thanks, Paul. In all seriousness, I appreciate your tech talk.
If it is a console like system (VR maybe another option), it will run linux (Valve a few months back have officially sponsored Arch Linux [btw] - which is the base for their SteamOS on the Deck) - hardware most likely be AMD - amd on linux is 'generally' 5-10% faster than windows (nvidia is currently about 10% slower) - there is still more perf to be had for linux (amd/nvidia) once wayland goes full native - probably next year. Linux is in a funny spot where they have been working on moving from X11 to Wayland, and transitioning with xWayland. the AMD drivers are open source and baked into the kernel. If it sells well it may assist in less devs using kernel level anti-cheat (nobody should be supporting kernel level anti-cheat so would be a good thing for the users across the board). The old steam machines failed as they needed devs to port windows games to linux native as WINE wasn't developed. Of course this didn't happen, since then VALVE has been working with WINE, developing proton so now pretty much any game is great day 1 launch (anticheat is a different matter).
I don't think APU is powerful enough to run VR games at 2k+.
I have both XBOX and PlayStation and would love to see a Steam console. Personally I am fed up of both of them and having a console from Steam that would allow me to play PC games would be a no-brainer for me.
I already use SteamOS on my main desktop system. It's great. Being free of Windows and all their modern adversarial nonsense is amazing. But I would really love to be able to purchase a console-like system that just works out of the box. I hate building PCs and dealing with drivers and other software nonsense. But I can't go to a console because they are too closed off and restrictive in what you could do. Valve could finally bridge the gap with a new Steam Machine. The stage is properly set this time.
It gets exaggerated how much gaming on Linux grew because of the SteamDeck. Yes, non-tech-savy users started to use Linux for gaming thanks to the SteamDeck, no argument about that. But the Linux marketshare for gaming only doubled at best, that is nice and good but Linuxgaming was a thing before the SteamDeck and by far the most games just ran fine before the SteamDeck got launched. However, the SteamDeck did give Valve some pressure to finally remove DRM on a few games which still were broken because of that DRM, for example BioSchok Infinite (before then only playable natively with OpenGL, that gives atrocious performance, especially on AMD-GPU's).
I'd rather get a Valve Index 2
If anything like a console it's going be a console to play game but it's may going be a way to stream games to a VR headset or steam deck. Like to have another part to VR is show people who don't have a pc you can get this cheap box to stream to the VR if you don't have a pc and have another easy way play in play or people don't want tinker with windows to use the vr headset. LIke set up and go play, but still the console box can play game if people want to use it that way. just guesting here
From what we know so far from the leaks it will be a ryzen 5 8540U + RX 7600S (this combo beats xbox series X in raw performance)
This could be cool. Make it have like a ps5 pro power level apu and add a pcie slot for people to add their own amd gpu if they want more power. Could be really cool.
Adding our own gpu would be so cool. But I highly doubt they would ever do something that customer friendly
If valve makes a console then it’s over for PlayStation and Xbox.. 🤷🏾♂️ and I’m ok with that!
They already have made a line of consoles and it didn't even phase the market at all.
Are you living under a rock the steam console came out 9 years ago and failed. I don't know why you'll be OK with less competition are you insane.
More like it’s over for Xbox PlayStation will be fine same with Nintendo they ain’t going anywhere. Now Xbox on the other hand should be the ones shaking in there boots.
@@daveyfgn this will do nothing to PS. As others have said it will most likely just affect Xbox.... even then I reakon it will flop harder then xbox has this gen.
They need a tier based console price system
they did last time with the steam machine they were $700-$1000 you mite as well build a pc at that price point.
@@hvdiv17 last time they needed a dgpu. not this time
PC and demonstrated software... what a concept 🙄 get rid of the wokies too!
I have a UM870 Slim arriving tomorrow going to turn it into a dual boot steam os / over the top batocera console :)
To me the biggest thing to expect from Valve is a SteamOS for every PC and device.. A gamer alternative to Windows... Linux for idiots so to say.
That will happen.
SteamOS is NOT a desktop distro and if you are going for it, you'll just end up back on Windows within a month.
EndeavourOS is based on Arch, _actually up-to-date,_ and not a locked down system. It's meant for desktop use and will give you BETTER gaming performance while also not limiting you with what you can do on it.
@AQDuck steamos 1 is not a Desktop distro. Let's wait with what they come up in the next couple of years. ;)
U are correct on everything, but arch Linux isn't for idiots like me.
@@eQui253 SteamOS 1.0 was Debian based and released in 2013, what the Deck uses is SteamOS 3.0.
Valve will not make a Desktop version of it because, as per their very own recommendations, those distros already exists and it makes no sense for them to create yet another one.
"Noob-friendly" Arch distros exists in the form of Endeavour, Manjaro, etc. Just install Steam on it and start playing, it's that easy.
The thing is that everyone already owns a windows PC for work, school or all the stuff you generally own a PC for. And if you already own one why not game on it too if you're going to game? So that market isn't going to be interested in steam os.
As for the people who want s dedicated gaming device, can you really beat players as entrenched as a PS, Xbox and Nintendo?
Well it comes down to games. Steam has more games than any other console platform out there. If they create a controller that can do all types of games, have the right price point and performance, and offer the similar type of services, Valve can dominate this space.
Right now, though, they don’t need to dominate. They just need to sell enough hardware to justify the cost of developing it, just like with Steam Deck. And those are flying off the shelves. Valve wants to replicate this model with a home console unit. Zen5/RDNA4 are good candidates for that as well. Better than PS5 Pro with more games that support the horsepower.
Well, it's interesting... But has Valve figured out where they failed last time? Aka, can valve make it successful this time around.
ahh yeah - they were relying on game devs creating linux native titles when WINE wasn't really up and running. WINE/Proton can play anything now so they aren't relying on native linux ports.
@@user-dz3ph7dl4m I'm pretty sure there was a bit more then just that... I do remember Steam boxes being pretty low end. It's like Dell and it's Ubuntu based notebooks - my god where those crappy low end spec systems... That is why back in those days, I got my self a Vostro 1720, removed Windows Vista Business and copied my Linux install over to the system and work my way through a tons of BIOS bugs - but it's landed me a good quality long term usable notebook, with good specs (including a nice Geforce 9600 GT mobile dGPU and a 1920x1600 display). Now mind you, back in those days, iGPU's really stank for gaming... The iGPU;s today are way more usable for gaming.
And yes,WINE has quite the....learning curve (I know it well these days, but it wasn't exactly easy to learn in the beginning (2006 for me), esp for a non-technical new to Linux user...And esp verses Proton.
Just have to see how it all works out. Cheers! 🙂
@@nukedathlonman Steam Machines had a variety of hardware configurations.
@@kuhpunkt I guess most of the ones I seen back in the day where all low end machines then. I'm just hopeful they can. And I may even try out SteamOS on my gaming system.
I promise if there’s a console that can already play my steam library and it’s a descent price 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Not sure why they would make this considering their audience. Unless it’s really competitively priced or are willing to do bad so that they can gradually get some out reach to console users.
Pretty sure the steam deck is sold at a loss, but made up for on the sale of games.
Same strategy could work for a steam OS PC/Console hybrid.
@@sulimanthemagnificent4893ps5/Xbox Are also sold on a loss, ist Common praktisch nowadays
Making a new OS compatible with all existing and future hardware/components, is a huge ordeal. It is not easy. They will not offer SteamOS to the public until the compatibility issues are resolved.
Whatever it is, it won't be a traditional console as we know it. I'm betting it'll be a portable console hybrid like the Switch, but with an eGPU dock. A dockable Steam Deck. Essentially a Super Switch running Steam that has docked and mobile performance profiles, where the docked mode sees a dramatic leap in visual fidelity. I think Xbox is heading in the same direction.
Thatd great a home console by steam!! Use any controller you want like on pc 👍👍
I am going to build my next PC with SteamOS when 3.0 is released 🤔
SteamOS is NOT a desktop distro and if you are going for it, you'll just end up back on Windows within a month.
EndeavourOS is based on Arch, _actually up-to-date,_ and not a locked down system. It's meant for desktop use and will give you BETTER gaming performance while also not limiting you with what you can do on it.
Don't you know they usually have multi OS on a PC?
Steam Machines were not competitive with consoles at that time. Cost more, less power, and the OS was under cooked. Just like the controller, it was too soon. With this go, we need a dedicated box, not partnered. It needs to be seamless in UX and competitive price and hardware wise with Xbox and Sony's offerings.
just make a series X with more ram. Strong enough, but also weak enough to become THE future handheld development target. i thought MS would execute this obvious plan. Valve doing it with SteamOS would exactly what gaming needs.
If Microsoft can put the series S in handheld form with more RAM, that would be a good first handheld. And we'd already have a large library of games to play.
Codenames are from blade runner I named my hard drives after characters from blade runner
If AMD wanted, ,steam could kill windows for gaming. Good thing to hsve options 🎉
Basically, basically BASICALLY
$599.00
Knew this would happen. It was pretty dumb of xbox and Playstation to launch on pc.
Fine for short term extra profits but demolishes any reason to buy into it in the future. Doesn't help they charge for online and saves
bye bye playstation. Nice move with ur 900$ console
How much do you think a predominantly pc company is going to price a console!
@@Wolvie10 if anyone can pull it off, its Steam tbh. Every other company priced their handhelds so much higher than Steam did.
@chy.0190 this isn't steams first attempt 😂😂😂
@@tristman8413They won’t be making the same mistake twice, Alienware sucks
@tristman8413 they learned
If they have a massive library of good games and it's priced competitively, they could absolutely crush sony lol
Steam has a massive library.
I feel like this comment section shares a single brain cell.
Yes please Valve! make a PS5 (Pro) equivalent console, that allows modding!!!
Valve already dominates
If this is true, this is amazing
imagine a base console with 780m and oculink port. then they just sell tiered egpu upgrade kits
The console market is stagnant and possibly shrinking. With gamers basically tied to the consoles their libraries are on I dont see large numbers of Playstation or Xbox owners moving over to a Steam machine. What I do see is PC gamers who may want a console like experience on their big screen in their living room buying a steam machine as opposed to streaming from their PC or running long cables from room to room.
With the right conditions, i would ditch my pc entirely
I have convinced five console gamer coworkers to buy steam decks, and they LOVE them. This is unprecedented.
They love how easy it is to emulate classic consoles on it, the massive library of steam games, infinite backwards compatibility, family sharing, etc. It also shatters the "You need a $3000 pc to play pc games" nonsense.
A legitimate Steam console is going to make people leave Xbox & Playstation, like its the rapture.
Just charge me $30 for an official SteamOS distro......
Im not interested in a $600 box that is obsolete in 2 years.
I need the upgradability.
If they make an entry point to pc gaming with solid performance which is now possible thanks to modern apus, I'd dig that.
I think they’ll just make steam OS free… isn’t it open source?
@sulimanthemagnificent4893 Linux is free, the specific SteamOS distribution is property of Valve.
I think I heard through the grapevine that Valve is going to release SteamOS, I forgot who said it though
try nobara or bazzite , both are free , open source gaming distro & u can use on personal device .
bazzite feels more close to steam os . i have tried only nobara , works pretty solid .
Just when I said I’m done with consoles I’m here for it
Cant see it making a massive difference in the end, unless its really cheap. You can pick up a PS5 for around $350 and have day one access to their games.
it wont be cheap the last steam machines they launched were $700+
One look at the Steam Deck prices, tells you how they'll price it.
"We give up" - Microsoft
they gave up the moment their games released on PS
Even if the valve console costs 300$ i will buy it
Call it the S Box and put a PCIe slot in it for a proprietary sized discrete GPU that board partners can build for so gamers can upgrade
Or just get a pc.
Only chance of this I can see is a docking station for the steam deck like Nintendo switch with enhanced graphics
Free mutliplayer, mods and 3rd party games will make sony scared
With Valve console, I will sell my PC and be done with it. I play on PS5 anyways.
One thing they could add to this is remote play, the ability to run the game elsewhere (online services and the home pc). So it can run it's own stuff, things under proton perhaps, and things on you're home pc and remote gaming services like Nvidia's. This could signigicantly expand it's appeal and customer base.
Steam link has existed for years
@@Clda47 Forgott about that. I just do PC's One is my daily and for gaming, the other two are just misc use.
@kaseyboles30 the phone app of steam link can launch into the desktop so you can remotely use your computer to do whatever you normally do on your computer
You can remote play across pretty much any device that has Steam Link support... Including other PCs.
you can always install sunshine (host) and moonlight (client) - works like a charm
Half Life 3 confirmed...err wait.. err what!
Desktop PCs are the best fixable way for gaming, no needed to pay extra $ for single function machine.
Speak for yourself, I don’t want to have to deal with bricking, software updates, etc…
some people don’t have the time or don’t want to go through all that PC bs. it’s one of the reasons why steam deck is so popular
you need a 1000 dollar pc to play a ps4 game while the ps4 have the specs of a 100 dollar pc and still runs it.
@@reinhart9639 no you don’t lmfao your getting ps5 performance at 1000 on BF deals
@@reinhart9639 lol all of this is false
I’ll believe it when I see it 😂
I don’t want a home console, I want them to make the steam deck have a dock that works as good as the switch.
I only want a home console. Switch has my handheld gaming covered, and the games in the Steam library I want to play (ie non-Nintendo AAA games), I want to play on the tv, not handheld.
Extremely unlikely Valve is making a new console this soon. Maybe in another generation or two, but until then I'll take all these rumors/leaks with a large grain of salt.
Why is it extremely unlikely?
11:30 this sounds terrible. Why would you go the console route when you can make the steam deck have a seamless docking experience like the switch. I don’t want valve getting into the console market.
They cant even dominate handhelds and that market is wide open right now
What does this even mean?
@kuhpunkt It means they won't dominate consoles
@@NINJA_INVESTORS The title is gaming, not consoles. They kinda already do.
@@kuhpunkt Did you read the second part?
@@NINJA_INVESTORS "Home console incomong says leak"? What does that change?
Geting rid of shit windows and greedy sony in one go, Gabe is such a chad
Ponies gonna realize how anti consumer and scummy sony really is the moment they try steam
Nah not really as physical is the way to go as I own my games
Steam is currently accused of anticompetitive practices by multiple governments and even indie devs.
@@Patrick-tw7nr Physical is good. If you have a disc drive to use it lmao
@@TaylorMorgan-y2z Lmao and Sony been money hatting for decades. You really wanna go that route?
@ which luckily I do
Easy buy for me I’m done with consoles but PCs are too expensive and difficult to understand. Give me pro power with a better cpu, modding, and pc exclusives for under 1000
Personally i wont buy a steam console ill stick with my pc and steam deck i also have alot of other accounts besides steam /like gog /epic and xbox app . Cool idea if they do it will give consoles more competition which they do need.
Dont worry. I can hate Microsoft and Windows for you. This Valve Home Console sounds great. If that console is a success, then competitors will have to get better or suffer.
Take my money.
Unless Valve creates a company around curating regular releases and bankrolls AAA exclusives the resukts will be the same as the last Steam Machine failure.
Gabe Newell just does the seem to really want to have an active role in much of any large corporate entity like PlayStation.
If Sony switches to Apple Silicon AMD will likely launch a console and Nvidia might as well. One of them might tap Sega to partner with.
Dont do drugs, kids.
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Steam Machines failed for a number of reasons, including:
• Market demand: Steam Machines tried to bridge the gap between consoles and home computers, but most consumers preferred one or the other.
• Performance: A 2015 Ars Technica report found that games performed worse on SteamOS than on Windows 10.
• External manufacturers: Steam Machines relied on external manufacturers, which created challenges.
its very unlikely that sony will switch to apple silicion, since apple silicon is just arm customized for apple, its more likely they will negotiate directly with arm instead.
Playstation needs keyboard&mouse support for RTS and build games. Even still, I prefer keyboard&mouse for Diablo like isometric action rpg's, needless to say turn based ones like BG3.
That "home console" is just a PC with SteamOS
Microsoft well call it an Xbox😂