WHAT NEXT? - Boeing's Next New Aircraft
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2024
- After a turbulent start to 2024, just what is next for Boeing and its release of new aircraft in the next decade? Will the TTBW play a part, or will something else come into the manufacturer's view?
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When they designed the 787, there still were a lot of engineers able to build the aircraft well. Since they fired a lot of them in 2020, a new aircraft will be harder to build for them.
How long is Boeing struggling with several airplanes to be certified already?
Embraer engineers are now missing too.
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Except for two vs. four engines, it looks like a C141 LOCKHEED STARLIFTER, less the wing brace.
Boeing doesn't build anything... They assemble. Subcontractors both design and build major sub-assemblies, which is one of the very large problems Boeing faces.
Maybe a 737 Max-BAF ("Bolts Actually Fastened")?
Nah, 737 MAD-MAX
Great news that Boeing is developing a new aircraft. It’s going to be made of left over parts from the Wright brothers first plane, using all the advanced technology available at that time. What could possibly go wrong? Mind you the shareholders will get a good payout and the CEO will get even more bonuses.
Charles Taylor’s old blueprints…
Boeing should focus on fixing its current issues before they even contemplate designing a new plane.
definitely
100% get the 777x and 737 Max's certified
Agreed
I couldn’t agree more !
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Well that's going to leave boeing out of the airplane business,,,,forever!
So where do they put the fuel? All current aircraft keep it in the wings, where the lift is generated. That reduces the bending moment and structural requirements.
Wow, great point, thank you...
Probably in the wings.
You don't really understand the huge shareholder value they will generate by not having to develop fuel tanks at all
Knowing Boeing it’ll eventually make its way into the passenger cabin.
Its somewhat worrysome that the B777x and B737Max -7 / -10 are not certified yet.....
YaY
It would be even more worrying if they alreddy was.
2025 or 2026 will be quite credible for the B777-9 certification. What does Emirates think about it????
No , it is good they overlook everything good.
@@matsv201 why would that be
Thought it was ironic to use an old plane too, but it could make sense to use the MD80/90 as the test bed. The engines are in the back, the fuselage is proven, and it was a money maker aircraft. It should be easy to determine if it will cost less to operate than the standard 717, and if they pull it off, maybe it would make easier to get a type certificate for the wing/fuselage ‘717-xWing.’
This is the kind of thinking Boeing needs to do to get back to its roots, and to build a product that accomplishes the same functionality for less cost. This design differentiation is what engineers live for.
To me the real irony is using a McDonnell Douglas airplane to get Boeing out of a mess caused by McDonnell Douglas management.
Why not a narrow body version of 787? Call it the 787-7. Same type rating. Just like they did with 757/767 fleet.
There is no "narrow-body version" of an existing wide-body aircraft because doing so would require designing an entirely new aircraft structure, hence an entirely new aircraft. The fuselage is the main load-bearing structure, especially the mid-section where the wings are mounted - this is where most of the structural load is transmitted.
The hulls of the later '57 and '67 (as well as the '37 and '77) were lengthened but their diameter remained the same. The 757 has only ever been a narrow body, the 767 has only ever been a wide body (single-isle and double-isle, respectively).
Your 787-7 would just be a shorter version of the 787-8 but still having the same diameter, so it would still be a wide-body.
@@kuckoo9036 but they could create a narrow body aircraft and use the exact same cockpit from the 787, making it less costly for pilots to transition from one plane to the other, the 757 and 767 obviously had different air frames but their cockpits were almost identical, meaning you didn't need an entirely new type rating to go from one to the other
Have there been any developments recently with the Aurora D8 concept? I find it incredibly interesting, and it's what I think of when I visualize the airliner of the future.
That TTBW demonstrator looks beautiful. It’s crazy to see strutted wings on an airliner.
Sorry, I disagree. It looks like a 1930's design. Hard to believe that is the future design of an airliner.
@@user-ij7mp2nv2zShould appearances matter though if the efficiency gains are as great as they claim?
The 757 Max Boeing needs to consider for the next aircraft
I'd also love to get your take on the Bombardier Ecojet blended body project... I still personally can't figure out if this is a serious design project, a marketing gimmick or perhaps what they'd like to do as their next big thing ala the C Series/A220 project aka another game-changing, innovative aircraft...
On the truss braced wing, it seems to me that one of the advantages of such a thin light wing is that it is an awful lot easier to make the ends folding - and at the truss end is the obvious place to fit the joint. That could let you make an incredibly high aspect ratio - the thing would be a transonic glider.
Well high wing aircrafts like this one have their own set of challenges it had Pros and Cons like everything.
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Now that Faury has said they want an A320 replacement before the end of the decade, this might force Boeing to finally work on a 737 replacement now rather than later.
I doubt they will come up with an a320 replacement anytime soon. The 737 and a320 will be here for many more years to coeme
@@nickolliver3021ups!!! 😂😂😂 (Bloomberg) -- Airbus SE said it wants to replace its bestselling A320 family by the mid-2030s, embarking on an all-new program that seeks to replicate the success of the model that put the European manufacturer on the map three decades ago and eventually eclipsed Boeing Co.’s 737.
@@facethepersonal5836 ups??? 🥱🥱🥱 Boeing Co. Said they will replace their best selling 737 from mid 2030s but the 737 and a320 will be here for many more years to come
Ty dj!!
A bolt-less plane?
very funny
@@ayushdebbarma7585 Don't knock superglue for future Boeing projects.
I hope airbus has a bolt-less plane then the industry is a mess
@@nickolliver3021😂😂😂 but of course you hope…
If it's Boeing, I'm not going. They need to focus on the MAX and whatever else they rushed through.
Then dont fly simple as that. who says they are not focussing on the MAX
Focus on proper production. Basic quality and control. Pride in workmanship. To me missing bolts on a new aircraft means someone on the line didn't torque them down. I was excited for the MAX. Luckily, I have access to plenty of well built aircraft for my flying needs. @@nickolliver3021
@@nickolliver3021 No it isn't that simple. Just use an airline that doesn't use Boeing.
Airbus has 30% more planes in the sky than Boeing, and are consistently both outselling, and out delivering them, so that lead is only going to get bigger over the next few years.
@@phildane7411 again why should people just use an airline that doesn't use boeing? The airline has more power than the passenger does.
That's because the airbus planes came out before the boeing ones. More time to buy than when boeing released theirs. The comeback of boeing will get shorter to airbus over the years too. Competition will always remain
Boeing, many aircraft still uncertified ring alarm bells. More planes, more issues. They already have enough to deal with.
same goes for airbus that new a320 replacement could be with issues. But that doesn't mean this new one will be with issues too
@@nickolliver3021😂😂😂
Airbus is the future
Boeing is the future
Airbus and Boeing is the future 😉
Airbus has 30% more planes in the sky than Boing, and that number is increasing.
Boeing will still be around, but their days as the industry #1 are long gone.
@@phildane7411 how are their days long gone?
Is there anything outside of 700-series aircraft in the pipeline?
With their current issues I would doubt that many airlines will be interested in another new aircraft from Boeing.
Sure they will..
@@ACPilot in the second generation, sure. But beta testing for Boeing is a tough sale right now.
No point. Boeing simply doesn't have the necessary engineers in order to design a new plane.
We will see if they still have the engineers necessary to certify their current planes first.
The moment the current certifications are done they can pull something off, but Airbus will be watching it. And maybe even Embraer?
@@jantjarks7946 They will get the engineers. its just depends on if they do a better job in which they should
Boeing can't, as the massive delays in certification already show.
But hey, you don't care for facts anyways. Pointless arguing with a simple Boeing chatbot.
I think if this idea works, a true 737 replacement based on this design powered by a Pratt & Whitney PW1xxxG derivative could mean 15-20% lower fuel consumption without loss of performance compared to a 737 MAX. Being a clean sheet design, it gives Boeing a chance to build a totally new fuselage design, too.
The one thing that I see as a huge issue for folding wing aircraft that isn't really talked about is the fact that they need to be able to safely fold their wings in while the plane is still moving during the deceleration of the plane on landing. Many high-traffic airports, but particularly LHR and DXB (also LGA which additionally has aircraft height restrictions due to the passenger overpasses above taxiways on its new terminals), are highly runway-constrained and rely on very closely packed landings where the plane rolls off the runway without stopping. For the 777x they might be able to get away with folding the wings in while they are on the exit ramp, but for the TBW, with its wings approaching double the width of a standard configuration, they will absolutely need to be fully folded before turning off the runway. So if they don't want to be barred from all the world's most lucrative routes, this problem needs to be addressed.
I always thought Boeing's biggest mistake was abandoning the B757. A Max version launched mid/late 2010s would be flying circles around the A321. That would have given Boeing enough time to build a trully revolutionary design. Too late now.
Will it be built out of paper backed securities
Boeing should have continued work on its Zunum Aero hybrid aircraft project... With material and battery advancements, all electric planes are becoming increasingly viable much less hybrid ones... And anything less than that would essentially be "turd polishing" when it comes to efficiency gains...
I think Boeing should consider the CFM RISE engines for their TTBW prototype...
I think they are on later flights. Don't quote me though.
yes I love the new open rotor engine.
When the prototype flies, let me know.
We might be in a home by then, or worse.
A smaller single isle plane based off the 787 would be perfect for Boeing right now!
That was what the 7j7 supose to be... before some cio cansled it
@@matsv201The 7J7 looked like a turboprop from the outside. I feel like the public wouldn't appreciate it.
Interesting, but honestly I'm more excited about the new Airbus plane which they have announced to begin designing
What's next?
Biplanes ?
Take 707 727 737 mix and stir add some B52 and you get new air plane from Boeing
Boeing has neither the money nor the engineering and management capacity and knowledge to develop a new aircraft.
Imagine Boeing is struggeling with the evolutionary development of existing aircraft like 777 and 737.
Again the 777 will be certified next year no doubt. 737 will need hard work on to get it back to where it was last year. So who says they dont have the money nor engineering management capacity
Crucially, they no longer have the _time_ to start on a clean-sheet design, and have it ready for sale before Airbus and the Chinese bury them.
Have Boeing got all the parts for this?
it's just paper announcements to see what spikes an interest :) US economy (correction: all Western World + China pretty much) is currently 99% based on marketing b/s
That high wing glider thing will never work. The “unducted fan” engine didn’t work because people don’t trust propellers-- and it looked goofy. People aren’t gonna trust a wing that needs s strut to prop it up… looks goofy….
Most people won’t care. Or even notice.
Thanks for the video Mate.
Still have some hope for Boeing...
Well, certification of airplanes is one thing but changing the culture at Boeing when it comes to quality is another huge issue. Have seen totally incompetent employees in large companies who were there because they were cheap or because they had connections. There are incompetent employees at Boeing, who care less about quality and it is very hard to make a change.
There will be big or small quality issues at airbus and Boeing. Boeing will continue to fix these. The culture will be seen to as well. Incompetent employees. if they dont care if they have incompetent employees there then they should give up if there will be no change
Or... they can simply revive the MD-80/90. Why attempt to solve a problem that doesn't exist? They cannalsobrevive the 757 for that matter.
My educated guess is that we will fly sooner on an A322neoXLR than on any Boeing NMA
Isn’t that literally coming this year? Even after the delay from 2023 service entry.
@@smoketinytom There's no A322neo yet.
This is Boeing we're talking about, and IMHO there is no way they'll have a full-size brace wing demonstrator ready by 2028. And a clean sheet replacement for the 737? They should've been working on it years ago, but the C-suite didn't want to fund it and preferred to give tons of cash back to the shareholders and themselves. Embraer has a better chance of designing and building a 737 replacement before Boeing even gets close.
There is something wrong with the 737 Max aircraft in your video, none of the doors have fallen off yet.
How ironic, the future for Boeing is an iteration of a 60 year old Douglas DC-9!
Thought so too, but it could make sense. The engines are in the back, the fuselage is proven, and it was a money maker aircraft. If they pull it off, maybe it would make easier to get a type certificate for the wing/fuselage ‘717-xWing.’
To me the real irony is using a McDonnell Douglas airplane to get Boeing out of a mess caused by McDonnell Douglas management.
@@ronjon7942 FAA change product rule would necessitate a new type design, thus Boeing would have to comply with all current regulations, and given their recent 737 max mess, the FAA may not be as lenient as in years passed. This is just a cheap way to do a nasa bird.
At this point revolution new tech for Boeing would be planes that don't crash land, doors that don't fall off.
That’s unique.
I can tell you after this Max, eight and nine deal they bring out a new airplane. It’ll be a long time before you see me get on it come fly on a Boeing you’ll get one of the best views ever and oh don’t forget about the thrills.
How about a jet bi-plane?
"Boeing CEO: No Clean-sheet Aircraft This Decade
CEO David Calhoun stressed the need for a more substantial technological leap to justify a new aircraft program"
What new aircraft?
Even with the 777x... Boeing only got thre families in the program, and the 737 family is spars with only 2 certified aircrafts. While 787 have 3.. and.. well 777x have 0 (I guess the 777-300 is still in production.. but.. its really not viable on the passenger market today.
Sure.. sort of airbus only got 4 families, that od one is really a bombardier.
But the A320 series have everything from 319 to 321xlr, that is a excellent market spreed.
The A330neo and A350 is also perfectly positioned and for the moment so is A220.
Of cause, Boeing is really not that far behind in the wide body market, posibly having a theoretical advantage if the 777x get certified.
But the narrow body market is really the bread and butter.
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I think Boeing F/U not continuing B797 airplane, oh well
Hurel-Dubois!
The fall of Boeing Commercial from the leader in aviation to a second place manufacturer is indeed sad.
Not for Airbus, it isn't.
very very very very very very very sad
Boeing military and space are a mess.
@@eleventy-seven so is the airbus division too
@@nickolliver3021you don’t say…😂😂😂
Naa, lets just throw more lipstick on the 737!
Nah airbus will throw way more lipstick on the a320 than the 737
Chuckle.
First step: drop the stone-age 737 and, ig possible, restore the 757 back into production. The 737 is beyond rescue; equivalent to dragging a dead horse.
Looks like this airplane possibly could have blown flaps.
Will the accountants or the engineers win this one. Hopefully the engineers..
Well, good luck with that...
Any "new" aircraft from boeing presupposes that the company will be aloud to remain in business past the end of 2024 !
Oh look, Airbus just announced development of their next generation A320 replacement.
Think we are too far from their next aircraft. Let’s talk about Airbus
hope fully the Trust wing aircraft would replace all the 737 MAX.
they wont replace all 737max
Start with parachutes
Every new aircraft comes with a bag or two of nuts and bolts for the customer to install if required (missing). It will be difficult to predict Boeing's way forward because of the management is largely profit orientated non-engineers who don't like investing money in clean sheet designs when re-engineering is an option, leading to problems down the track. Since it takes at least 10 years for an aircraft to go from idea to prototype, shouldn't Boeing be thinking of more radical ideas utilising developing technology such as electric propulsion, as the tax on environmentally unfriendly hydrocarbon jet fuel is only going to increase.
Like the extra fasteners you get with "build it yourself" furniture.
I believe that Boeing will eventually sell its civil unit and focus on being a military contractor.
they wont
@@nickolliver3021Dave Calhoun is that you?😂😂😂
@@nickolliver3021Dave Calhoun is that you?😂😂😂
@@facethepersonal5836 Airbus CEO is that you?
Boeing started to suffer shortly after purchasing McDonald Douglas. Boeing has always been the Cadillac of aviation and has suffered since. Still, it is still producing a quality product
When you fly, listen to the aircraft you are in. I don’t watch the movie. Instead, I listen to the airplane and notice every noise. As a Marine Corps veteran, I learned to study my surroundings, so I listen very closely.
Working in an automobile dealership taught me to listen and recognize noises and try to see where they come from.
A design with GLIDER WINGS with BRACES??? So then NO WING MOUNTED FUEL TANKS????? This is a stupid HAIR-BRAINED IDEA!!!!
Any new aircraft will fail unless the management of production is fixed.
Then they will fail successfully and people can be a lot happier without them
What makes the industry believe that the market will be there in the future?
The greed being seen today makes me think that they are being very optimistic.
Technology needs to deliver better efficiency, sustainable fuel, and jobs. If AI and automation puts people out of work then all bets are off.
Boeing can’t build their old designs properly. How can they ever come up with a new design? Then, there’s the problem of building it safely, which is something they can’t do.
Airbus cant build their design properly either. How can they build aircraft that are not prone to cracking. there is a safety of building those new planes without any potential cracking within it. so they cant do that either!
@@nickolliver3021 Where did you get this idea? Airbus is building the finest aircraft in the world.
@@jerrypolverino6025 Even Boeing are building the finest aircraft in the world. whats the fuss about
In hindsight Boeing is v lucky its didnt proceed with clean sheet NMA. Having 737 Max issues, and 777x issues as well as a hald completed clean sheet plane all at this time would have really stretched the company. Frankly at this point, Boeing must be tempted to junk current troubles and moveforward to a next decade plane. Rely on the 787 family and small tinkering with 737-800 engines. Not great, but at least it proposes a better future.
Boeing must get their *** together, before they even try to develop new plane. Multiple issues with 787, then 737 max, a one single big disaster with production quality issues and yet Max7 and Max10 yet to be approved. I am not even talking that boeing had to bring synthetic AoA, which they probably not yet done and the problem wit synthetic is that it requires computing power, which boeings computers from 1982 design, are not capable of making as they already in overload. Then 777X, another project with budget and time overrun. Not to mention KC tanker, Air force one and starliner, all these projects are in a loss. I admit, I never was a fan of boeing, especially with their way of thinking, that pilot is the "solver" of their fuckups, while airbus tries to place as mane safety measures as possible, without relying 100% on pilot.
Boeing urgently needs a 737 successor, but cannot afford it. They should engage some more economists who know how to shut down such a large and successful company that has been crashed by bean-counters.
bean counters will just kill the company if they cant improve then the public are happy!
In order to develop new 777 Boeing put all of their resources. Boeing should have gone for new 757 n 737 together with the 777 rather giving 737 a new engine! Many airlines who operates only boeing aircrafts are now shifting towards airbus
which airlines are switching to airbus because of what happened with 737?
Boeing will be allowed to build the old Airbus A320 ceo under license, while Airbus develops completely new aircraft. 😅
Because the internet has a relevance lifecycle geared toward 12 year olds and sub 80iQ types, we have a false sense of Boeing's actual power and position in the US economy (the main exporter of goods of any company) and one of the largest patent factories of any company in world history. A couple bolts coming loose won't end them in any conceivable way whatsoever.
How about some high speed trains for USA? Please
It’s been excessively tiring to follow Boeing through its trials, challenges and wrong doings. It never ends…
BOEING CAN'T EVEN KEEP DOORS ON , SO BEFORE ANYTHING THEY HAVE TO GET BACK TO BASICS.
THEN YOU HAVE TO PERSUADE PEOPLE TO FLY IN BOEING COFFINS.
So every Boeing is a coffin is it?
Boeing should correct their managemeny system before they will lose everything.
Will never step foot on a boeing
Re-designed planes…..bigger engines…… planes that basically fly themselves…..changing materials to make plane lighter and more efficient.
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Can you imagine if they found a way to safely land a plane during any type of malfunction in the air?. EXAMPLE…. Fighter jets now have parachutes. Maybe 3 or 4 chutes can hold a passenger plane?😂😂😂
complete new 737 replacement...
and a complete new a320 replacement
@@nickolliver3021 question was boeings next plane..
@@Trancial-x-tion I just said airbus need to do the same. But both will do hydrogen replacements
Just a gimmick..
Boeing won’t be around in 10 years.
Boeing better have something because they are getting killed by Airbus. It's so sad, I used to be proud of them.
Paper pushers don't build new planes mate
Boeing, first of all has to change its corporate governance, which has detached operations from management, and has extended its supply chain whilst squeezing suppliers in a retrograde supply chain management stile. Quality does not counts, all is about selling, if thay can swap to selling hotdogs, they will. All the board of direftors has to go, they proved having Zero respect for the end users of their products. It woll never be forgotten the former CEO blaming former pilots witth smirk when the two crashings of non disclosed system that sen aircrafts nose to earth. He should be in prison, same as their board, for manslaughter.
New Aircraft? built to the same standards as the MAX? Dream on, they sacked all their good engineers and quality controls persons. Have to say, I wonder about the 777x-wouldn't catch me in one .The trust that Boeing had through its safety record has gone, long gone. The ones buying the MAX now are just opportunists riding on cheap prices and dont care about their passengers until they refuse to fly on them. Boeing, with new honest, engineering and safety first management, it will be a very long hard slog. With Chinese and Airbus snapping at their heels. All brought on by a management team, allowed by the American government (who is also complicit in this) to run Boeing into the ground through greed and manslaughter.
Sure HAHAHAHAHAHHA
Speak faster pls. 😊
Boeing has turned into GE junk Instead of supporting Pratt and Whitney
Junk?
What an awful looking plane, thats the best Boeing can do? Looks very cargo -ish, what happened to the blended wing idea?
Hyperbole explained.
Boeing is not going away. The world is already struggling with only 2 large aircraft manufacturers. Even if there are bailouts and prop ups the world needs them. And Boeing will learn from these past few years and come in very strong.
Have you not read about what the Chinese are doing ?
They are not content to buy and fly Western aircraft.
They are thieving all the technology they need ,and have already have the COMAC 919 in production. Google it, sir !
Isn’t this trussed wing plane supported by your and my tax dollars? Can Airbus file a complaint if this comes to market?
Airbus just for €2B from EU to make a engine test platform.. so... maybe not
😇🤣😂🥳🥺😇🙂🙂🙂😇😇😇🤣🤣🙂you can take it to the bank! I will never crash and burning Boeing, because I’ll never get on one! Like I trust the FAA……….NOT,
Some ridiculous TTBW woke design from Boeing 😑
Airbus fanboys can finally catch up. This has been in the news for nearly 2 years already. The Mad Dog is already being fitted, and test flights may begin later, but a demonstrator is scheduled to fly within the next 2 years.
This new aircraft will change the game once again, just as the 787 did just LAST decade, not several decades ago as the video implied, and as I've been saying in the last several weeks, Airbus is so bogged down with backlogs that when Boeing delivers their next clean sheet aircraft, Airbus will still be delivering their 'old' aircraft and taking orders for their next clean sheet aircraft, which so far appears to be something with folding wings...sound familiar?
Funny that you should mention fanboys when your post just screams 'Boeing Fanbois desperately trying for a good spin'.
@@phildane7411 You can't understand because you're not a regular on this channel. That's why the regular folks said nothing and you chose to expose yourself.
I've been debating Airbus fanboys here because they didn't know that Boeing was developing a clean sheet narrowbody aircraft, so now they finally know.
You basically butted into an inside joke that you were outside of.
Boeing troll: Boeing is developing a clean sheet narrow body aircraft
Boeing CEO: No Clean-sheet Aircraft This Decade
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@@user-yt198 Haha!! Funny guy. It takes up to a decade to develop new aircraft nowadays.
Neither Boeing nor Airbus is having a clean sheet aircraft this decade, but both are already developing clean sheet designs.
"CEO David Calhoun stressed the need for a more substantial technological leap to justify a new aircraft program."
Your OWN CEO says that a technological leap is required for a new aircraft.
Are you calling him a liar??
Boeing is such a disappointment. The once great aircraft builder has faded into mediocrity and will never catch up to airbus, it is so sad.
I am probably alone. But this new airplane is ugly.