Dune: Part 2 Is a Perfect Adaptation Because of One Key Difference
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- Опубликовано: 1 мар 2024
- Dune: Part 2 completes the Denis Villeneuve adaptation of the first Dune novel by Frank Herbert. It’s a wildly influential work of science fiction and the follow up to a blockbuster Part 1. But how far did Villeneuve and co-writer Jon Spaihts veer from the beloved source material? And is that a bad thing? It’s time to let the spice flow, open our minds and appreciate that a perfect adaptation from page to screen is one that’s different.
Inevitably, adaptations as weighty as this will get held to the scrutiny of decades of fandom. What was left out, what was added, what was different. It was always a nearly impossible task to adapt Dune. David Lynch’s 1984 version was a strange beast, while Jodorowsky's Dune at least made for a great documentary a few decades later, and there was no danger of Part 2 being hyper-faithful thanks to Dune: Part 1 having already veered from the source material.
The bigger philosophical point about adaptations though is that they should be different. Whatever the source material, books, graphic novels, video games, anime going to live action, to not acknowledge the different medium is short-sighted. What a waste of all that Bene Gesserit training to ignore the difference 60 years of changing landscapes can make.
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The guy (Clint Gage) in this video did not write/score IGN's posted review...for everyone complaining over their rating.
My favorite part of this movie was when Thanos appears mid film and says "legalize nuclear bombs"
And then the movie spent 3 hours debating this case in a court room. PURE CINEMA!!
Well, every family has the right to own its family atomics, hasn't it?
In the book. Paul marries Irulan to make his ascent to emporer legitimate amongst the great houses and entire empire. But in the movie the great houses don’t accept his rise to power anyways..so what’s the point of marrying irulan in the movies then? seems like a huge oversight
as it is written. you will find out in part 3.
Pedro Pascal is really everywhere these days...
diversity quota
the Oh asked me if that's Pedro watching the video over my shoulder.
didn't get it at first LOL
Dude he really doesn’t look like him
😂😂😂 my first thought when the video started
The only problem with leaving Alia in the womb is that it means Paul’s entire rise took less than 9 months, instead of years like in the book. But that’s a small issue.
Kind of funny that is less weird version of what happens in the book.
well, maybe jessica delay the Gestation period, because you know, she could do that
well with all the other adjustments to the story it makes perfect sense so...
Oh no 9 months instead of 12, oh my. Come on now. Walken and the pretty chicks bringing nothing to the movie are actual problems.
@@4EverlastWalken definitely didn’t bring much to the film but the emperor didn’t bring much to the book either so Walken did. his job. The princess Irulan will becomes much more important is Messiah, she actually has more of a character in the movie than she has in the first book
8? Really 8? One of the best sci-fi ever made and you gave it 8??
Bro look at the rating they gave days gone it was sooo much better than the last of us its probably the second best game I’ve played on PlayStation after GOW Ragnarok
@@kierangillatt2892 days gone is ok . It's bit great. And it was broken on release remember
It's just their opinion, why does it bother you
You’re acting like they gave it a 3/10.
Give it a month watch it again and you would probably agree
IGN doesn’t deserve Clint
can we have cinefix back now?
No one deserves Clint. He should go back to his basement.
Movies can deviate a lot from books and be excellent so as long as they stay true to the most core characters, values, and themes of the book they're adapting.
“It’s a perfect adaptation, hence why we gave it an 8”
maybe what its adapted from is an 8
Common IGN W
@@PeterZeekeThat is absolutely not the case.
Maybe he is comparing it to other more perfect adaptations such as LotR
Perfect adaptation does not a perfect movie make
The guild doesnt matter??? Paul's real victory was not defeating the emperor, but defeating the guild
Without the guild you can't really get the importance of the spice. Also it would have gone a long way to mention the Butlerian Jihad since that explains why you need navigators and why the Bene Gesserit have psychic powers honed through generations of breeding and training.
@@MS-ii1svim thinking this would be better for the 3rd movie. First two movies were really about Arrakis so it stayed pretty focussed on that location. Im guessing we will get a lot of that exposited in the 3rd (and maybe a 4th?).
@@carontorliak2760 DV already butchered the story in 1 & 2, we don't need him doing it a 3rd and 4th time
Given all road lead to rome, this small difference could easily give way to what occurs later
Especially since the children don’t show until the third book
The butterfly effects would be minimal
He's got beef with the guy behind him now 😂😂
The Lynch Dune had space gingers space pugs really big eyebrows and Brad Doriff. This new one has Christopher Walken . That alone has my eyebrows growing out also.
Pedro Pascal + Wagner Moura = The Narrator of this Video
Superhispanic
Wonder if the guy from two rows behind worked for rocksteady because this hate seems personal😂
Still they gave 8/10 for Dune part 2 and Same for The Marvels
Imagine a MF saying that at the end of Fellowship of the Ring or Two Towers
Imagine Sam running at the end of TTT, leaving Frodo to die, because he was supposedly offended that Frodo liked Gollum - then IGN releasing a video panning this as a great change.
@@grproteusthis comment is irrelevant as the two situations and the relative positions (and future) of all the characters involved are completely different
@@jimmydjomo1767 And this comment is nonsensical and probably only liked by bots...
Nice explanation on why the changes make so much sense today without losing the value of the original
My favorite part was when Paul and chani had a child and the emperor accidentally killed it trying to kidnap him to use as leverage….oh wait…that didn’t transfer over from the book….🤔
Doesn't that happen in Messiah?
This movie would have had to be 6 hours long to cover everything people wanted in Denis' style. Not everything needs to be 1:1, hell LOTR was not 1:1 and tolkein fans enjoyed the hell out of it.
@@carontorliak2760 that’s still an integral and vital part of the series lol that’s like the dark tower movie starting at the fifth book in a 7 book series. You miss out on some super important bits lol
If it differs from the books then it is not perfect.
Loved the movie and thought most of the ways it veered from the book were reasonable. But if they have Chani as part of the conspiracy against Paul in Dune Messiah, it will be terrible. Paul is supposed to be a subversion of typical heroes, he's not the villain. The people in conspiracy against Paul are.
Paul still had billions killed in his name and 90 planets sterilized.
finally some sanity
when your parents say we have Pedro Pascal at home....
The book is a classic. This one hopefully is not as easily forgotten as Part 1.
I'm gotta mention that Paul looking at the Fremen as they cheer for him is sad knowing what happens next
one of the lines that resonates the most with me and that shows the tragic figure Paul is, is right at the end. The last words Paul says to Stilgar and the Fremen is to go take their Paradise (or something similar). The way Chalamet delivers it is perfect: there is knowing sadness to what to come and his inability to stop it. There is no triumph in his voice, just loss.
what does changes to chani mean for leto and ghanima? 🤔
At this rate this films will probably be in about a decade so not worth worrying about now
They are turning Dune into Attack on Titan
Irulan ends up being their biological mother. It's a possibility I'm not ruling out.
@@Latinkon *Irulaning
@@Latinkon And you don't see that as a major f*cking problem?!
Yeah, but the Spacing Guid tho...I'm waiting another three years to see Edric? LOL
Does anyone else notice the ending doesn’t work because the film made a significant choice to write out the Guild Navigators? The only reason Arrakis has any prominence in that literary universe is the spice gives power to the Navigators to plot a course through their version of hyperspace. It is the emperors ability to keep the spice flowing that allows him to exert control over the Guild, and that mobility along with his troops, gives the Emperor power over the great houses. Any house could find itself cut off without interstellar travel and thus easy pickings for the Saudukar. That’s the whole point of he who can destroy a thing, controls a thing. Arrakis, even with the Fremen, could not stand up to the rest of the houses unless the guild were threatened, which is what happened in the book.
But in the film they do show Paul’s threat to destroy the spice production entirely which sort of helps gives that point tho not to that detail
The guy behind you was right though, as the ending only works either in the context of knowing the books or *IF* they end up making a third one (which is still uncertain at this point in time). Standing on its own and combined with the movie's severe pacing problems, it does a woeful job of closing out the movie dramatically.
well, it's like saying that The Empire Strikes Back doesn't have an ending.
@@MatthewSanthos... except Return of the Jedi was a certainty by that point. Warner Bros. only commits to these movies one after the other, so it might end at any time. Also, the book reaches a natural dramatic conclusion at the end, whereas this movie foregoes that to maintain dramatic tension leading into the desired third part.
Lol Clint, why didn't you just talk to the guy?
But like are the twins not going to exist now? How would the rest of the books work?
The guy in the theater just meant it's an open ending that requires a sequel. That's all he meant. You used his words to mean "bad ending", "non-book ending" etc, but that's not what he was talking about, clearly. He's not read the books and just went to see a movie. And he's right. Chill.
Loved, loved, loved the adaptation. Look forward with fingers cross for Dune 3.
You forgot to mention the blue scarf. Or are you not aware of its meaning?
Is a wonderful movie, but as a adaptation is far from perfect. The book is levels above that.
And it some suspicious liberties and turns...
But the main difference is that the book make you think, were the movie say what to think.
Best Picture of 2024
Also guild navigators don't appear in the first book
They do, in book finale. They are threatened by Paul with destruction of spice fields.
There are two guild navigators in Shaddam IV's entourage at the end of the first book. They have a dialogue with Shaddam IV then a longer interaction with Paul.
They absolutely are and the fact they're mutants is a bit of a plot twist.
Part one was a better adaptation than this part. What you're saying is the strength is the biggest weakness of the adaptation. The Freman were united, they become divided later on. Doing it now. Messes up that storyline. Chani was devoted to Paul. There was no dissension between the two of them,he counted on her. She was this rock. All of the intrigue that happens with Irulan is because Paul and Chani are so close. By creating a split between them again, you weaken tension of the next story. They left out a lot but that change wasn't necessary and weakened the story.
100% agree. The chani drama was fabricated
Thank you, this is by far my biggest criticism of the movie. So many things that could have been fixed without changing the way they still filmed it. Couldn't have said it better myself
And you gave it a 8😂😂
Because the opinions in this video were written and spoken by Clint Gage.
The IGN review you're referencing was written by Tom Jorgensen. IGN is not a monolith.
@@eddiefraley yeah...don't understand why people can't comprehend this. That said they should have let Clint review it...or just posted two reviews
Explain yourself
5:38 Clint…this is why you’re the best! 😂
Jeeze, some critics will clap for anything. /soyjak
Perfect adaptation, so 8/10 by ign. ign is an illegitimate film reviewer.
Well the guy 2 rows behind is not wrong - it is another movie with a non-ending, in the sense that it was an somewhat open ending with a cliffhanger, like the first Dune and like Spiderman across the Spiderverse. This does not mean it is a bad movie, it just is not complete, and we all can look forward to Dune Mesiah.
An open ending is still an ending. Most threads the books opens are resolved by the end (harkonnens, Paul's position and destiny)
you could say the same for SW A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Matrix Reloaded, LOTR Fellowship and Twin Towers, and basically any movie with sequels based on books or with planned sequels. Yet most people would say those movies definitely have endings as a standalone.
Rather Dune 2 neatly wraps up more than some of the other examples as it ties up major plot threads set up by the first movie: The ascendancy of Paul and his acceptance to become a Messianic figure, the revenge of House Atreides, Fremen revolution, Jessica's ascension to Reverend Mother, etc. In other words, its an ending suitable for a movie structure and can be considered complete. If the Dune movie franchise stops here, it wouldnt feel unresolved the way it would've if it stopped after part 1.
That dude behind you must have never heard of the concept of sequels before. There can always be more stories to tell but that doesnt mean there arent any endings in the middle entries. Paul literally achieved his main goal of the story, defeats the mian antagonists and conquers the world. Its doesnt get more ending-like than that
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Personally, my favourite was when Paul said “so that’s it? We’re some kind of Dune Part 2 Squad”
🤣💀
Breh. Some the actors probably don't understand this movie
They gave she hulk an 8, so...
She hulk was better.🤣🤣🤣
still prefer the SYFY channel version
You must be joking because only a hipster would say that
@@husker4life109
idk, man. Even with the outdated effects, it just tells the story better (closer to the book), in the same amount of time .
@@husker4life109Or a fan of the books andd 1984 film. What is wrong with respecting the story and characters. What is point in putting out a film if you alienate the original fan base.
Very true! Thank you for saying this too. The Villeneuve visuals were superb, but other than the worm riding and combat sequences it’s a distant second to SyFy’s loyalty to the source material’s sci-fi aspects and cultural authenticity 😢
The Syfy adaptation is probably the closest one to the source material so far. Sure, the low budget made them look...garish to my eyes, but yeah, I'd say still a closer adaptation to the book. But DV did provide excellent visuals and beautiful musical score.
Exactly!
I’ll send it to him boss!
Instead of arguing irl, this man complains on the internet lol
Exactly! 👏👏
It's so hard to he criticism from something you truly enjoy, nearly impossible. You wish for others to share in your joy. But there will always be those who cannot see what you do. Rest assured that there are those that do. We need to vocalize our passions more without the fear of other's trying to drag us down. Fear is the Mind Killer.
Not a perfect adaptation, but it was a great movie and a very great adaptation
Just like Peter Jackson’s adaptation of lotr. Not a perfect adaptation but still phenomenal movies
This dude is giving off major Pedro Pascal vibes 👀
It can't be a perfect adaptation if there's a major change
Pedro Pascal works for IGN?!
It's true. Adaptations should be different. Movies should not be words pressed onto paper and bound. You are literally ignoring the medium.
The Mini series is a better adaptation than anything made so far because it stays true to the books and isn't limited by a run time. The Mini series is the complete saga and you don't have to wait 10 years. They were able to spend as much time needed to completely tell the story.
Dune 2000 mini-series is 265 minutes long (three 90 min episodes). Dune part 1 and 2 is 321 minutes long. The total DV film duration is one hour longer to tell the same story.
Watch the 2000 Syfy mini-series. Much more loyal to the novel. DV's time compression and changing Chani character was very dissatisfying.
Yup
a great film based on a book must be faithful to the wolrd imagined by the writer and to charachter developement. no need to be a word-by-word translation.
My rating is a 10. Amazing movie
The book Dune 1965 by Frank Herbert and then Star wars 1977 movie and Dune 1984 movie
I'd be more hype for further seasons of foundation.
Can you say that star wars is another version of adaptation From the multiverse?
the music and visuals alone were a 9 lmao. Think about all the past sci-fi movies in the past 10 years?
why is pedro pascal talking to me about dune 2
Perfect adaptation? No. That was lord of the rings.
Great video, with great points. As someone who appreciated the changes made by the film from the book, this helped me to organize and explain my thoughts on why they worked so well for the film
It’s a 8 eh.
It’s a much better film than the weak and over-hyped first part, but neither manages to contain much of what makes Dune so interesting. Both films share a lot in common with the Lord Of The Rings movies in that respect.
I’d give it a 9. The emperor was under used and didn’t convey much strength. Christopher Walken wasn’t the correct choice. And Thufir Hawat’s story is an interesting one but sadly was completely cut from Part 2. Otherwise solid, looks like Dune Massiah will happen and that’s vital to the story
The first one was really boring
still pissed you gave it an 8
Well it's not a 10. Let's be real.
@@MintReactionsI thought it was
@@MintReactions lets be real it was a 10/10 cinema expirience and a 9.5/10 movie overall but it def deserves a 10 if the marvels got an 8
Agreed. It's a 7 at best.
@@MLTAKOS no way they gave the marvels an 8 😂😂 they need a dedicated team for movie reviews so there won’t be such a disparity for the ratings
Hi IGN 👋 .
Some films are waisted on certain people, they don't deserve them.
nope Chani is portrayed wrong
it is a non ending
How can it be perfect when it is a worse adaption than the 2000 miniseries?
Let’s face it the book as written, is un adaptable. It needed to be changed. Villeneuve is probably the greatest storyteller alive today. In my opinion, not that that means much. LoL
Interesting how casuals are fangirling harder than actual book fans.
It's literally two different IPs at this point.
That's because they don't know or respect the actual story; only the propaganda-laced feast for the eyes and ears provided by their champion director. It makes sense, doesn't it?
@@shefalichow7917bruh nobody trying to watch a movie of people with internal monologues and Duncan Idaho being resurrected for the 100th time. Its an adaptation that works better for the screen. There is a reason why the 1984 one which was more accurate didn't hit for most people, including some dune readers.
@@carontorliak2760 Dune '84 is one of my favorite movies of all time.
non-ending? look at the end of the book
it is not a perfect adaptation at all
True
Thank you! Hype train got people delusional af
Exactly. It wasn't better even than the Sci-fi miniseries that came out over 20 years ago with dated special effects and cheesy costumes..
@plo617 The guy in video apparently didn't see that, or else he wouldn't have made this hot take
Timothee Chalamet is a terrible quiche hat cataract.
No weirding way, no spacing guild. This was somthin. Just not dune
Exactly. Some of these ommisions just can't be ignored. Imagine if Peter Jackson removed Golum, the Shire or Merry & Pippin..
Hey but we should all be thankful that all the lame nerd stuff was replaced by grumpy teenager drama
Yeah you should probably just stop with the reviews already.
pedro pascal
If you understand what the word adaptation means then you understand why he views this as a perfect adaptation. It is a wonderful film both part one and part two.
hmm…
someone with a brain, thank you
People really complaining about it not being a 1:1, like what did you want? 4 hours of internal monologues? Hard especially for a director who doesn't like dialogue lol
"Part 2 Is a Perfect Adaptation" - Gives it a 8/10 .... What?
Clint didn't write their review.
Explain yourself
-non ending:; so you will gladly shell out the future $10 for the “privilege” of being able to watch the next installment. It’s called capitalism.
No Alia. No Dune.
Alia was very much involved in this film though
@@JAKEtheRAKE23Not in the right way, though.
@@Laudiele the same importance was conveyed, we didn’t need a 2 year old with an adult voice to kill the baron to iterate her importance, she was heavily involved and the movie makes it clear there’s more to come with her.
No F.H. Dune in all film. 🤫🤐🤑
@@LaudieleHer role in the story is exactly the same as the book, the only meaningful difference is we don't have to endure the child acting for a 4 year old.
10/10 movie 🤩
Future plot spoilers aside, this is the best review I’ve watched from IGN in … forever.
if it was a "perfect adaptation" it wouldn't have differences ;-)
An adaptation is not meant to be the same word for word as the source material, but to capture the spirit and tone of that source material. That's why it's called an adaptation. The fact that you people don't get that is amazing to me.
Wait is that Pedro Pascal??!!! 😮😂😂
Honestly in the book it always rubbed me the wrong way that Chani watches her lover marry another woman and is just okay with it because he promises to treat his wife like garbage
It’s mostly because the Freeman culture can be summed up into two rules, obey the law of the desert and do what must be done when Paul says this is what needs to be done she believes him she loves and trusts him.
@@donjhondinkl951 still absurd/unrealistic.
They had 2/3 kids together too lol
Gotta put it in the context of a feudal society which the Dune universe is in a lot of way, I’m sure this kind of thing happened a lot when political marriages were so important theb.
@@blas_de_lezo7375 Got it, you're not a fan of Dune, you need the sanitizing, diluted, PC version to be satiated.
How can you say something is a perfect adaptation while also saying it has one key difference 🤦♂️
????
because it perfectly captures the point and themes of the book without adapting everything exactly
Because it manages to improve it without making it any worse
You didn't watch the video, right? Clearly
@@someth1ngstube No, Clearly not maybe you could convince me to
Paul into a sandworm can't happen in the movies.
You mean Leto
If you think part 2 is a perfect adaptation then you never read the book lol
Its ok to take liberties w source material but it absolutely could have been better
No it wasnt. It was great but the ending wasnt so great cus od the changes😢