How Kep1er failed their audience
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2023
- Obviously title and thumbnail are cl*ckbait but it got you to click! Sorry for disappearing, I had Stuff going on.
I wasn't actually planning on making this video, I just became incredibly inspired one evening and I made this video in like a week? From the script to the editing to now posting. 
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Kep1er could've had an absolutely bomb Sun and Moon concept. Up could've been the bright fresh Sun sound and MVSK could've been the darker, more electronic Moon sound. It would've worked so well.
oh that would have been so slay
I also even thought they were going to be having concepts like each member represent a certain planet or their each comeback represents a certain planet or space related things like how you said mvsk could be moon and up would be sun. I think if they went with planet concepts, I think that would make the group more interesting with a solid storyline. So sad the girls are experiencing this, I have supported them since gp999 only to see them going downhill.
So smart!!! Kind of like Red Velvet. They were so successful promoting the "red" and "velvet" concept. It's crazy how Kep1er's company moved forward so half-heartedly.
@@jillaloo5152yasss, this will be trending, reminds me of WJSN 12 zodiac signs since 12 members born on 12 different months.
@@KpopUnniesUwU starship faked the members birthdays in order to do so😭
wakeone has 9 gems and they arent treating them right, i hope each of the girls have a more successful career then they have right now in kep1er
especially after boys planet and the debut of zerobaseone, its so obvious that kep1er was just wakeones and mnets test group to see if they could still have a successful survival show after the voting manipulation scandals. its clear just from debut that wakeone has such stronger creative visions for zerobaseone. the teasers and mv looked more quality and better edited, and they debuted with 6 original songs and no boys planet remakes on the album. in bloom also seems to have better production quality than wadada, the producers even sampled 90s hit take on me. i feel bad for kep1er, at least they got a better name than zerobaseone because i still don't understand why mnet chose THAT out of all the fan options
Couldn't have said it better myself 👏👏👏
When Kep1er debuted, their audience was huge and their hype was engaging. But groups like Nmixx, Le Sserafim, NewJeans and IVE (from known companies) have taken over. W1 has failed them. Kep1er’s lineup is the best and most diverse lineup out of all previous temporary groups. They can all sing, dance & are the most synchronized gg. They have the entire package but their talent are being squandered.
Maybe the most diverse but def not the best
they're so unlucky being wakeone as their company
Izone clears this group what are you talking about? Wonyoung alone is more popular than the entire group combined. Then you add in Yujin, Chaewon, Sakura, Eunbi, Chaeyeon, Yena, and Yuri plus Nako and Hitomi in Japan. Everyone is thriving in sales or charts or variety shows or tv shows or movies or CFs. What are you smoking?
@@r.s.w.k4569 did someone said izone was bad??? And obviously post izone members are successful right now because first their season was a hit in Korea...next their management gave them very good songs..which we all thought they would do for kep1er too..but wakeone literally sabtoged them.....and they don't even want to promote them...but diverse wise kep1er is literally far ahead of izone...
also lets be 100% real here, nowadays general public hypes up debuts from big companies/produce series but if they do not deliver consistently in the music they very quickly fall off
Kep1er is a underrated talented group it’s just their company who failed them.
I was so livid when I found out about how many Japanese members were blocked out of joining IzOne. I never really followed Kep1er, so I’m surprised to find out here that they’re still trying to keep it all Korean. I just don’t understand why Mnet is so adamant on keeping as few foreign members in as possible - you’d think if more people are voting for a member, they would get more album sales from that member being so popular to the viewer base. Like they’d literally be getting so much more money.
Sending them to Queendom is a hot mess. I said it on Twitter when Mnet announced it but their fans booing me saying, Kep1er can easily out perform the other contestants. It makes me giggle, how can this new group outperform the other acts that have more experience and skills like Hyolyn and Loona.
What a Jack As_ Giggle
i understand where you're coming from but you can't tell me that any rookie group (ive, nmixx, lesserafim, nwjsn) couldve done what kep1 did 1 months after debut. they performed so well, and the seniors said it themselves, that they don't act like rookies. they had a lot of hickups on they way, dayeon falling off the stage, yujin slipping around during pool party, chaehyun being injured and just all members not being well, but they handled it like pros and did perform exceptionally well on each stage. not a single stage that they performed was a let down on kep1er's behalf. kep1er have 9 incredibly talented performers who could perform so well next to some groups that have been together for years. they are a group of all rounders. every dancer in that group could easily be a main dancer in another group and chaehyun + youngeuns vocals are amazing. they have one of the best rap line's in 4th gen. So as much as i get where you're coming from, they did much better than a lot of groups would've done
I love Kep1er. They’re a great line up. I just wish they would have come up with a better concept for the girls. mvsk to me is easily the best concept for them and I wish they had kept that energy up. Makes me sad they’re time as a group is coming to an end and they’ve barely scratched the surface of what they were capable of
Galileo is not good “again”. I’m so sad for Kep1er. They have so many potential.
It was such a shame because I remember the hype during their debut was even better than Ive. Wadada and Eleven was competing during release but the sound is what makes the difference. Chosing the wrong title song is the worst move a company can make for a debut. Nmixx suffered the same phenomenon
Just gonna say that the la vie en rose’s budget was no where to be found it’s just that they made it work WAY better than Wa da da. (Also la vie en rose’s simplistic but chic concept didn’t need much of a budget anyways)
I agree! You can tell it didn't have a massive budget but it clearly had way more effort put into it which makes it look more expensive than WDD because there's more care behind it. I couldn't explain it well enough in the video but mostly I wanted to point out the big budgets behind Iz*One's last releases and the care put into making their debut look good compared to the budget and care put into Kep1er's debut :)
@@into_orbit yeah I agree! I feel like Kep1er’s space concept wasn’t a good idea if they didn’t know how to incorporate it in. Produce 48 has more of a school girl concept and Izone didn’t follow that, so why does Kep1er have to follow their survival show’s concept?
@@TooSpicyForYourHeart_which school girl concept? Lmao it was pretty much as the other seasons plus the show wasn’t called “School girl 48”.
@@ggstan2439 just the fact that they got graded and wore school uniforms is enough for me tbh
When Kepler covered LVR at LA Kcon, they received so much attention and positive comments. That concept fits them so much, but not their concept.
For me, they just seem so... unbalanced? They lack chemistry and cohesiveness, like some of the members feels out of place sometimes.
Also the fandom has cracks everywhere and is in a civil war all the time.
Chaehyun as a center, well, no hate to the girl, but she just doesn't have that "shine" factor. Comparing her to Somi and Wony, she just doesn't stand out imo. Xiaoting had that "shine" factor but she's not Korean so that would be hard and complicated.
Their songs just also doesn't hit right. Wa Da Da was fine enough for a debut, but i would have loved a heavily vocal song. I hate the fact that their title tracks barely has any real singing lines and instead has adlibs, chanting, and speaking lines. And that factor contributed to the "favoritism" and "unfair" treatment Kep1ians has been fighting over since their debut.
People had really high hopes for them as they were the next girl group after IZ*ONE. But they clearly never met those expectations and thus it is how it is now. The girls had potential to be a top girl group, but it seems like they were never the favored one.
the surge of stayc - new jeans - lesserafim really hit incredibly hard to all girl crush / mixx pop sound groups and sadly this unprecedented fact hit them the hardest
Gidle managed to escape the 'sound or storyline' Cause with being self produced they al, kind of have a similar vibes. The song are different while u can still see Soyeon hands behind it and I think that it's their power. Kepler do not only have more than one producer, but also incredibly different concept, thier song are usually childish and they try to follow the trend, whitout actually being able to attract any casual listener
Having Sakura and other 48 group member like Hitomi and Nako is really previlege for Izone. Sakura very popular in Japan and has huge overseas fanbase before debut with Izone. Izone success because they do well in Japan (second largest music industry in world) their sales comparable to Twice in Japan. Kep1er may have Japanese member but hard to do well in Japan because their J-line didn't has popularity like Izone J-line
Sure the Japanese stars helped but the team overall was just better. And their concept hit the sweet spot
Kep1er is popular in Japan. They even sold out all tickets for their concert in just 3 minutes. All their concerts in Japan are sold out. They entered chart together with Twice and BTS. Received certification, award etc in Japan. All the members are part of most searched female idols (all generations) in Japan for 2023. Their jline especially Hikaru entered almost all the polls about Japanese kpop idols.
@@kath4902 Who is Hikaru, why is she so popular?
@@kath4902 But Sakura's popularity alone > Kep1's jline. That's what made IZ* so successful. Sure, Mashiro and Hikaru have predebut stans, but Sakura was an already seasoned idol who had gotten first place in the annual elections of 48g groups a few times. She was already a superstar, not a rookie who has a small fanbase predebut.
@@seonsunnysunshine IZONE was popular in Japan but Kep1er is doing good in Japan too.
i always tuned into gp999 every episode so i became a really big kep1er fan (esp since youngeun was my one pick throughout the whole show) so when i tell you the hype they had during wa da da was massive-it was HUGE. i don’t know what happened to that momentum, and it’s incredibly sad to see how their fandom (specifically their korean one-they r almost nonexistent these days) just… shrunk. and it’s not the fault of the girls, they are all so incredibly talented and harmonious as a group that if debuted under literally any other company that was competent enough to take advantage of that, they’d still have their debut momentum going. sadly wakeone is just extremely lackluster in the promotion of kep1er and only see them as a money maker for the japanese market. it’s incredibly angering to not see them promoted properly and i hope they all successfully redebut under more promising companies.
I said it in the video too but sending them on Queendom was really the beginning of the end, they never properly recovered from that and their cb after Up being We Fresh destroyed whatever attention they gained from QD and Up 😔
liked your insight on the situation! hope the next cb is more like mvsk and less of a 2019 summer track, atp I just wanna see them get some recognition from the gp before they disband, and if wakeone keep fucking it up I'm afraid it will never happen...
There's still a slight chance they could have a hit and reach their peak potential but it would most likely be an I.O.I situation where their hit is so late into their contract they won't be able to capitalize off of it :/ I do still hope since none of them are currently affiliated with another group that if they regain their momentum they can extend their contracts and finally reach their full potential! I just fear that Wake One have already abandoned them for zb1...
LOVESTRUCK is literally aoty material in my opinion. I'm not even a stan either just a casual listener, but i wish more people gave it a chance!!!
LVLY, Back To The City, Why, Happy Ending, Giddy, literally hit after hit
for me the fate of the group was written with the final lineup, almost nobody liked it (including me) several of us saw their debut with skepticism but we were disappointed by the poor capability of their company to create an interesting group (musically and conceptually)
nice video, nice analysis
Iz*one really set the bar high up as being products of survival shows. The members are still very popular even after they disbanded. The timing of the debut of Kep1er happened when former members of Iz*one were also debuting in a new group. Wake One should have focused on the branding of the musicality of Kep1er since debut so that that the general population can maintain their hype on the group. Unfortunately, they failed in doing so. For almost a year left in their contract, until then they will continue to live under the shadows of IVE, LE SSERAFIM, etc. who debuted with them at the same time. Their management should have asked themselves this question, "Why should the general support a temporary group as compared to a permanent group?"
I agree with this sooooooo much
But I feel that as much as Giddy and Galileo suit them more, it’s quite generic kpop that we’ve been getting for years from other groups, which is why they aren’t picking back up :(
now we have zerobaseone lets see how wakeone will ruin these boyd
I was really with them.... Hated wadada for a while then got snatched by Mvsk... Le voyage .. And maybe happy endings are REALLY great songs (also back to the city) but... Other than the failure of attachment to the titles... I never even knew there was a concept except "reaching towards space" and when I looked back on their "lore" 😅 I gave up
I gave up tpp. I did not like wa dada at all but loved Mvsk but their follow up songs after that just don't hit for me. Same for nmixx, 😪😪😒🤤i'm probably the only person who bought the debut album just for O.O, i love that song and tank but everything they have released after i not a fun of except maybe dive. Same with ive. loved eleven because of Liz's powerful voice now i'm lucky if she even appears in their video's. It's all so sad.🤤☹
I really like Le Voyage can’t believe that can’t be a title track for a summer album.
@@Tingling10 they have been fumbled from jump the moment they left tiffany&sunmi's eyes in my opinion
I DESPITE w1 as a company, it seems like they never really tried managing kep1er, and what irritates me the most is that they´re doing it perfectly with zb1 when it comes to concept, sound and most of artist management. As a group Kep1er is so talented, hard working and united, I may be biased but seeing the girls receiving more and more hate every single day because of w1 choices and neglection makes me hope that they could have a second chance redebuting ot9 in a different company
Now I am scared for zerobaseone 😢 wakeone better not ruin them, they already gave us cheap concept photos😭
Yeah me too. Very scared
Lmao mnet/w1 and swing always treats BGs better. Look how they managed Wanna One vs IOI. Then the budget between IZ*ONE's La Vie En Rose and X1's Flash. Love all produce and planet groups but mnet always treats the boy groups better.
it's just the concept that makes WADADA mv look cheap more than la vein rose but la vein rose and violeta mvs are not that high budgeted. But I have to say wakeone is clearly treating kep1er and zerobaseone differently....
Trust me but IZ*ONE, as their sister group , played a big role in this. IZ*ONE left while leaving such a big impact on the industry that many people really expected so much from kep1er + many people hated kep1er for that. Many people thought that the only way they can show their hate towards mnet is by doing it to kep1er. I really feel sad for them considering how popular produce groups were. Also I just hope that they can fix this temporary concept.
Oh wtf so sad how they treated the trainees T.T Awesome video thanks very much!
Thanks for watching! Glad you liked it❤
Anyone remembered the absolute mess when mnet announced their group name lmfao
i liked wa da da and up! a lot. i saw a lot of potential in the girls. one of the things that turned me away from getting more into them was honestly the way the fanbase just had so much infighting. i still listen to kep1er and support them a lot but it was hard to get into them at first bc of how gross people were toward the girls online. i saw so many instances of "fans" using one girl to tear another girl down and it made me not want to interact with anything kep1er related for a while.
And not only that every 4gen groups have their own concepts like itzy have girl crush, aespa have Al ,stayc has teenfresh concept ,ive have elegant and royal concept
To standout is 4 gen you should have a significant concept ,that kep1er don't have
My theory for their name was always cosmIX 😅😅😅 IX being 9
Yeah that was one of my fave suggestions I saw 😔
Algo que también me pareció una injusticia es que este grupo tiene una gran dance line y no la aprovecharon al máximo
As a Kep1ian, the title should not be direct on how Kep1er failed the audience, Kep1er isn’t the one to be blame, it should be WakeONE (what can they do they are just products of that entertainment, they cannot control what they wanted the most for their audience)
This is why I actually liked giddy but noticed people are not hype anymore and thought that is kepler finally failing? not that I wanted that. just from observation
Can you do a video about CLASS:y I need to know what went wrong with them
Hi, I didn’t expected to see smth on this channel ever again. Great to see u
Great to see you too! I disappeared a bit for life stuff but now that that's calmed down hopefully I can post more frequently 🥰
17/8/23 ( Thursday ) 2.46 pm. The way the video described Wake One in relation of Kepler reminded me of Cube/CLC "music" relationship ( sigh ). Perhaps CLC Yujin would get the feeling "different, but somehow same, same". A commentator said that the upcoming EL7Z U+P would be managed by Wake One. If that is true, then.......(sigh ).
I hope some girls redebut again in better companies
wakeone really sabotaged kep1er, I agree with all your points specially when they fumbled the bag and failed to capitalize mask and up (up is my most fave kepler song i wanna cry). the girls did not deserve such shitty management and poor management choices.
Nice insights and I agree on many points. Though with regards to Wadada and Mvsk, I was thinking that Wadada was the better choice (as the title track). I understand that fans will complain again if it was Mvsk because I can see people commenting that they are IzOne 2.0. During NMixx debut, there were lots of bad comments about them and at that time Kep1er was on top. I still think that Kep1er is successful despite the drop in popularity. They left a mark. I remember that people were criticizing IzOne before just like what they’re doing in Kep1er. Also, I must say that Kep1er has the best Japanese songs that any Kpop group has released in Japan. Together Forever I think should’ve been promoted more.
Yeah I don’t think MVSK should have been the title, just that WaDaDa shouldn't have been their debut and they should have gotten more songs for fans to latch onto
@@into_orbit Mvsk can be title on their other releases. I agree that everything went downhill with We Fresh. It’s frustrating. But I think they will still be able to turn it around like what Nmixx did. Time is their biggest constraint at this point.
let'a be real kep1er although had a lot of hype initially it was all based on international fans, koreans didn't watch GP 999 ... after the produce series scandal i don't think south korea was ever going to support the first group to come out of another MNET survival show ... same is happening with i-land season 2 on MNET right now and the last two queendom competitions shows also made very little impact domestically in terms of TV ratings and interests domestically in south korea
and i've always felt KPOP internationals fans are some of the biggest bandwagon music fans in general across all genres so if they don't think a certain group will be popular 90% of these "fans" will choose another group to follow that they deem to be the next big thing ... we're talking about high school level popularity stuff here imo
i mean there is a reason why there is a term called "big 3" or even "big 4" company priveges and although being from an MNET survival show group used to have some benefits and it still does, you're not going to get any support domestically in south korea after that produce scandal which was only a few years old
i mean we've seen past KPOP groups get blackballed from south korea after "minor" controversies or scandals ... now imagine coming off the biggest music scandal in the history of that country and that dark cloud was always going to be around kep1er as a group in their tenure domestically
imo to be a top tier KPOP group especially a girl group you need domestic support from koreans as even though KPOP has grown a ton over the years koreans still make up the majority of each group's fandom
kep1er again wasn't going to get that support that previous MNET groups got no matter if they had a more cohesive concept or released general public friendly songs
i mean if you look at japan where kep1er has their biggest fandom they've done very well including going back to when 5 million watched the GP 999 finale in oct 2021 ... KPOP fans in that country didn't care about the produce scandal in return have given their support behind kep1er as south koreas did with previous MNET survival show groups .... 4 songs that have charted in the top 10, 220k albums sold just for their japanese releases, and nearly 160k attendees over the last 2.5 years worth of concerts and fan meets ... now kep1er still i wouldn't say is in the top tier A level of favorite KPOP girl groups in japan but i'd say their on that tier B
i mean KPOP company "stans" are a thing in this genre as i truly believe if a small or mid tier group released some of the most popular songs over the last few years the song nor the group would get as much as the support from KPOP fans in general and in return if some imo good KPOP songs fromm these same small to mid tier groups would be released by a group from one of the top companies they'd be big hits ... that's the thing that sucks about KPOP as a whole as talent and imo even song quality isn't the determining factor in whether or not you're popular it's company size that determines your popularity as a group and that's why most outside the KPOP bubble don't take the genre all that seriously because of this
i think kep1er likely was always destined to be a mid tier group like loona or dreamcatcher ... good support from international fans but very little backing in south korea
I still remember many of the Chinese contestants (and Yurina) while not remembering many of the ones who actually debuted
the Chinese girls and Yurina really dodged a bullet... and I'm sorry for Xiaoting for getting herself into this messy group
after all the evil editing and favoritism of the show (*cough* Dayeon *cough*), even after revealing their name Kepler, which let's be real it's terrible, I thought to give them a chance and check out their debut song... it was mid and boring to say the least (that's why I even forgot about them as a whole until recently)
so yeah, everything went wrong for these girls, and I know it's none of their fault, they may be nice in real life but were just extremely unlucky
In school I was researching planets and realized there are many many exoplanets called Kepler because in 2009 a telescope called Kepler was made to discover planets outside our solar system so I guess there is a connection?
if they had another company that has ggs i think they could’ve absolutely been THE 4th gen gg like izone was
I was such a die-hard fan during the show and participated crazily in voting, 8/9 were my final line-up, bought all 3 version of the debut album but lost interest IMMEDIATELY after I heard Wadada. Did even check out their later releases but it just got even worse. WakeOne did them so dirty
Back to the city is superior 🔥
Giddy is actually so good. This new one seems promising tbh
About kep1er:
i was so shocked when i found out that Kang yeseo was a Part Of the cast of miracle in cell no.7
She did re-enact that tho in girls planet 999
I was torn for a long time, but finally caved in and bought their album to show my support. Each comeback song is even more childish than the last, but it's a pity that even at the age of 12 or 13, are not buying into it. The previous comeback song, 'We Fresh,' was just plain embarrassing with the way they clumsily pretended to play the guitar in the dance.
they could've been everything.....
interesting video, but i have to say: doublast didn't sell less than first impact - in fact, it sold more on its first week compared to it! up! and wa da da also charted similarly
Yea I know that :) I was also referring to music show wins since wa da da had way more due to when it was released, I used the wrong screenshot in the video because I originally had a section about album sales in my script 😅
I liked up. The things I was distracted by left and right release by jk so I ended up not listening to as much as I would have had if I wansnt looking for other favs releases
I don't follow boygroup of mnet. But, its just since I.O.I era they include final song on their debut album. Even iz*one did the same. Its just both of the group have more new song or atleast have the same number of the reissue song. And its not what wake one did. Instead. They just give 2 new song and 1 intro to kep1er.
The success of a Kpop group, I believe, doesn't rely solely on their music (or wha you called sound), but with also with timely buzz and constant hyping. Both I.O.I and IZ*ONE did that by sending their members to individual gigs and variety shows.Queendom 2 is not enough coz that show failed in comparison to the Queendom 1.
And additionally, a two or three "popular" members play a significant role in the groups success or failure. I.O.I has the trinity Somi, Sejeong and Yoojung, while IZ*ONE got the center-rivalry duo of Wonyoung and Sakura with the wacky Yena. For Kep1er, their most popular member could not even enter the top 30 of Monthly Brand Ranking. The relevant girl groups always has a representative member in this Ranking ever since its establishment.
*I wish Hikaru was still on XG all of them doesn't deserve this*
Someone send this WAKEONE PLEASEEEE
Lol exactly. I watched GP999 and found myself lost interest in the final line up, not exactly because the line up, but everything that led up to it, and how it is so obvious they dont know what to do with the group. Everything about the concept felt half baked. The name Kepler, and what concept they are trying to pull? With name like that, I thought they want to do something like WSJN. But well of course, there are many groups with "galaxy" theme already.
Giddy so far is their best release, but even their best is mediocre compared to other idol groups, so yeah, they don't standout at all.
I just have a question on my mind: If Kep1er is managed by both WakeOne and Swing, what is Swing's role in the management of the girls? It is something I truly think about, since I never heard anyone talk about it.
I'm not sure, Wake One definitely takes on most of the work and therefore most of the responsibility for fucking up, I think Swing might just handle the money side or something like that? Since W1 has a majority of the other resources needed to manage a group as we can see from them being the sole agency for both zb1 and the upcoming new I-land group
I also want to add how almost criminal it was from Wakeone not to release "Downtown" as a main single.
Yes I agree. And the way that Wakeone has not promoted Downtown in any Music Show Promotions, Music Festivals and Awards show. Not even in their 2023 Japanese tour, Kep1er promoted Downtown. Much a missed opportunity.
wakeone ain't even trying, kep1er is flopping
I watched the show , rotting for the girls alot and adored their vocals..
but since their debut I'm becoming more & more disappointed in their comebacks + their vocals on the songs are so different from when they are from the show like sometimes I can't differentiate between their vocals on title tracks ( I can recognize chaehyun & yujin cuz I know them before debut )
I listened to Galileo this morning and could have sworn Youngeun wasn’t even in the song with how she was buried which is very concerning when she's essentially their second main vocal... but the album felt way more soulless than Lovestruck which is especially concerning now that they’re talking about renewing contracts, shouldn't they put their best foot forward for that? I just don't get this company...
@@into_orbit They ruined them and honestly are not using their talent in their Titles tracks , just recycling trends that are outdated & useless.
The girls may not guarantee a successful career after their contract end's unlike the Izone girlies who are pretty much all successful at the moment.
We fresh is a boppppppp it’s just the way the sound was distributed (we couldn’t even recognize bahiyyih or mashiro’s voice) and because it didn’t add up with Up!, considering the feedback of Wadada was kinda disappointing and since we fresh sounds in the vibe like Wadada people were disappointed
Great analysis!
A silly part of myself thinks that they might do it on purpose cuz some upper management people there want to prove that rigged competition will produce better outcome than non-rigged one... to somewhat "justify" their past action. 🙄 But that is just purely a speculation from me. Don't trust me.
Oh I love a good conspiracy theory (when it isn't actively harmful to real people). I think they went into the show with a certain vision for the group and they tried their absolute hardest to get it through the editing so when they didn't get the full line up they wanted, they kinda just gave up immediately
@@into_orbit that would be so sad and unfair to the girls. :(
In my opinion WA DA DA was actually a much better debut song than MVSK, and it is a more easily accessible song as well. It’s like a big room type song that is still popish.
MVSK meanwhile, is a very busy song, with many different breaks, melodies and changes in the song. For general appeal, this is not good.
Besides that, WA DA DA gave Kep1er their own sound too. Most people here in Korea will immediately recognize that sound and song and think of Kep1er.
As for having more songs… That is much more easily said than done, and look at most recent K-pop groups releases, they only come out with 1 to maybe 4 songs when debuting and most of those songs have been heard before in pre-debut content.
Finally, to touch upon making an English version of the song, I don’t think that would work. Kep1ers music is very K-pop, even “Up!”, so it’s more unique and than regular pop music and would have a hard time appealing to those who are not K-pop fans. If you look at FiftyFity with Cupid, that is a big exception it’s not the norm. The song itself is already basically a regular pop song that is easy to listen to and everyone can enjoy, and it had a lot of help by become a viral trend.
I do agree with the overarching narrative that Kep1er has been mismanaged and that there is a lot of potential there. Especially the part where they don’t have an identity.
If only they stuck to the Up sound and vibe….
Mvsk was so good and im so sad for my kep1er 😢
it’s all about the songs and concepts tho. look at newjeans, they debuted without promotion but look at them now
they deserve better
they are really talented but the company is just not giving the best for them
The person that made this must not understand where the name "kep1er" comes from to say that it doesn't adhere to the space theme...
Oh I know where it comes from, I just think it sucks
their evil editing to chinese trainees needs to be studied because it keeps happening..
I just love Kep1er.....so their members. That is it
They definitely deserved a better chance than what they got
@@into_orbit right? I truly think that all members are incredibly talented and I wish for them the best! I hope they can redebut later❤️
@@ajnosz120 I have a whole video about how much better Wake One could have handled things so I get the sentiment completely! I really hope this contract period won't be the last we see of the girls together
personally I like we fresh more than giddy.
Also what explains the poor management is because iz*one wasn’t under wakeone but swing entertainment
Well no because Iz*One and Kep1er were/are both managed by BOTH Wakeone (then Off The Record) and Swing
@@into_orbit that’s true but not really 😭 while kep1er is under wakeone, Izone was under swing, even tho both companies atp managed it. Izone had the swing entertainments’ producers while kep1er got wakeone’s. Even tho both companies can participate in the girls activities, swing managed more izone than kep1er. For example mvsk was posted on the swing yt channel, while every Korean release and other tracks so far were on wakeone’s. Izone mv are on the swing entertainment channel aswell, so if we had any doubt that swing was better than wakeone know we surely know ☠️
It's so sad I enjoy the majority of their bsides but their promotions suck.
Me too :(( they could be doing so much better if Wake One just cared more about them
@@into_orbit they have so much to offer, especially recognizable vocals and great dancers
I dont Listen to Kepler, and i only listened to Izone from.debut til their Disbandment
Im just waiting for kep1er to completely flop so the girls can redebut under a different company and so Hikaru can go debut with XG like she was supposed to
correction izone isnt under wakeone but same management under CJ ent
I've already answered this before but Wake One is the same company as Off The Record just combined with 3 other companies
Wake One is just OTR (fromis_9 and IZ*ONE's old company) but reorganized.
f9 and iz* were TERRIBLY mistreated lmaoooo iz*one just survived cause japan loves jline + hyewon + chaeyeon and wonyoung is THE nation's granddaughter
Not me thinking, well (G)I-DLE is the exc... and then she ended my phrase. I loved Kep1er 1st comeback Up! the other releases are not my taste, I felt bad when I couldn't vibe their other songs...
The b-sides from Lovestruck are great if you haven’t heard them yet! I love Why, LVLY, and Happy Ending and of course the promo bside Back To The City is also great imo
i do not think there kep1er post disbandment careers will have the same success as izone's post disbandment careers.
I hope all the girls will happy and successful after kepler, but i have a feeling some of the girl will be more successful than the others
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All mnet survival show has produce legendary groups like ioi, wanna one ,izone and x1
Then why Kepler flopping
I think kep1er is 1st mnet flop group
The reason kep1er « failled » is cus of the company
Yes that is what the video is about, glad that got through :)
do u think wakeone will fumble zb1 just like kep1er
Fumble maybe but I think they care far more about the zb1 brand than they ever cared about the kep1er brand so even if their creative direction isn't ideal I don't think Wake One will waste their opportunities like they've done with Kep1er
How wakeone failed kep1er* you're welcome
The sad thing is that, now Wakesht has 18 talents, and I fear the worst is coming for kep1er and only wish the best for zb1🥺
3:13 Wrong, (G)I-DLE has always have a strong group identity and strong statement in music. They have never struggle in finding their own colors or concept, they are the concept themselves. Like many other groups whom would have tried a more high-teen concept, then a girlcrush one, then back to a summer cutesy concept (such as Kep1er themselves in this case or CLC in their same label), (G)I-DLE refused to do so. Soyeon did such a great job with their music direction and keeping their concept on the line, especially after how we can obviously see the way CUBE messed up CLC.
I said they were the exception to the rule... like 2 more seconds and you would hear me say "but they are easily the exception"...
How Waveone failed Kep1er is a more appropriate title. Its not the girls fault
It's just a title that gets people to click since more people know Kep1er than their company, that's why I put the disclaimer at the beginning of the video :)
@@into_orbit Still has a negative connotation towards the members with or without a disclaimer. Thats all im saying.
@@CarterLa_14 When I read the title I thought of "kep1er the music project" (waveone's fault), I didn't thought of "kep1er the 9 girls" 🤷♂
Izone was under off the record not wakeone .
They're the same company. Google it.
Moral lesson: wakeone SUCKS
Just one observation, Koreans care more for their own country, when you said the kpop community "twitter" = international that means nothing for Koreans
I was so into Kep1er just for Wa da da but then as more and more songs came up I lost interest in them. 😢
They failed because their concept and music is both very boring and generic.
Self plagiarizism is so funny 😭
Do you know that if you repeat a lie 100 times it will not become the truth? 😂Kepler's success is indisputable! Only certain competitors try to deliberately manipulate people in the networks with lies! And by the way, these same people claimed about another group years ago that it was a failure! And then she was nominated for a Grammy 5 times!😂😂😂
Did... you actually watch the video? I make it very clear that Kep1er are still successful but their company is getting in the way of them being even more successful, this is the opposite of a hate video lol
@@into_orbit Honey you are another snake just trying to harm the girls but doing it hypocritically! I don't know what this habit is like in Asia to cover yourself up and hit people hypocritically! This is sociopathy dear, go to a psychologist! At least openly go into battle, don't act like "but I actually had something else in mind"!
@Lurple m bc of ur mom
@Lurple m Where did they fall? 😂In Korea, where the shows are pet? 😂Look who filled the hall!!! Kepler!!! And the "winners" in the shows were whistled in Japan and they were officially caught for lying in the stream!😂
this makes me so mad, because Kep1er could've had a LOONA-type concept, AND LOONA FANS WOULD'VE LOVED IT!! We would've killed for another group w extensive lore, but no, Wakeone fucked up and made them have a shitty no-lore no-concept release.
I think Yujin is really unfortunate cause after getting treated badly in cube as CLC and now in wake one as Kep1er
I really hope after Kep1er she can go somewhere that appreciates her 🥺
Lol, nobody knows this group as xiaoting's group so I wonder why you're lying 😂
Well it's called a joke but there are actually many people who don't recognize other members of Kep1er aside from Xiaoting at a glance. It's nothing personal, just a lighthearted joke
@@into_orbitim confused as to why you mentioned xiaoting and yujin but not hiyyih who is the most recognisable to non fans
@@edenmelaniee because from what I've seen she’s more recognizable to her solo stans and txt fans while Yujin and Xiaoting brought their own independent fanbases into the competition from their previous work :)