Chevrolet GMC Cluster Gauge Diagnosis and Repair
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In todays video I show the in depth diagnosis and repair process for a GM vehicle with a failed instrument cluster. The subject vehicle, a 2004 Chevrolet Silverado 1500, came in with a symptom of no gauge operation and no drivers information display function. This symptom, diagnostic process and repair is similar to year models 1999-2004 Chevy, GMC, and Cadillac trucks and SUV's including Silverado, Tahoe, Sierra, Yukon, Escalade and others. I cover many of the most common issues and repairs for this common issue effecting these instrument panels.
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I lost my dash gauges yesterday 04 Yukon Denali , checked my grounds and fuses, all good. Pulled out the instrument panel and gave it one twist like you did in the video and it started working. I will order a new or reconditioned one since my PRNDL wasn't working even before this issue. Thanks for the video!
Before taking all of this apart and doing the soldering, try an EASY fix! Check the cigarette lighter on the right side. I just used a USB adapter with a light to see it didn't work. Picked up a 15A fuse at OReilly's and 10 minutes later, with the fuse replaced for the cigarette lighter, the gauge panel worked again!
Thank you dude I appreciate it
Why did you not show if the modules began communicating after the "twist"??
That'zz a Cluster Phuuugg but a Ggggrreat Video.
Why wouldn’t you take a couple of seconds while you were right there and shown everyone where the fuses or breakers were located for the gauges ?
Seems more of “Diagnose and replace” rather than “Repair”
I have watched about 6 or 7 videos about this and this was the mist comprehensive one. You hit all of the high points in one video - thanks so much!
What should i do if im not getting power to b9?
On my cluster the circuit board solder joints were mostly cold. Open connections all over the board. I just resoldered them all. Everything came back to life. No problems since.
I wonder why he didn't check the circuit board first before sending off for a new cluster... that may have saved the customer hundreds of dollars...
What did u soldering? Thanks
I put new battery and everything stated working
I appreciate the extra time you spent to try to help those who might be having this issue and want to try this themselves. Costs you time (costs us nothing!) Many don't realize how much time it takes to do something like this. (Probably triple the time it normally would take to do the job) I have not had this issue but there is always something to learn from these types of videos! Thanks again!
Thank you! You are correct, it adds hours to my day but I enjoy it and most folks appreciate it. Blessings.
That's why you don't buy a GM cluster. If they screw up the first time they will again. Have it rebuilt with quality steppers and you will be good to go most give a lifetime warranty. Buying GM your asking for trouble because they know you will come back
@@Ezduzit69 who has lifetime warranties every company I have contacted their warranty is just like a brand new one from the dealer 12 months no more no less
@@ThecardoctorTV Blessings. Thanks for sharing your.
Your video was fantastic. Your step by step on changing the cluster was fabulous. From start to finish it took me 30 minutes. Thank you
DUDE!!!!! PULL THE FUCKING KEY OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got 12+ volts on b11, b12 but no readings on B9, any help? 2007 chevy Silverado classic 1500 cluster not working
At 11:47 the wiggling of the connector can give a false diagnosis of a bad connector, when in fact the connector is soldered directly to the PCB, and when you wiggle the connector you put pressure on the PCB and can effect bad joints. 2003-04 full size GM's have a weakness in the cluster that causes intermittent power. The wiring, plug, ground and power sources is reliable, the issue is 99.99999% of the time internal to the cluster.
Thank you for saving our camping trip! Our 2004 Chevy Express body class C camper instrument panel gauges weren't working. I disconnect the battery when I store it and I guess the computer needed reset. I bumped the battery cables together as you suggested and Hallelujah!!
Hey man, great job and thanks for the info. I had the same questions as others did after watching it but that's alrite, learn more if I search myself
Kudos for living in Alaska if I didn't hate the snow so much, I would probably move up there, I'm sure the ppl up there appreciate having a good mechanic up there.
I have been attempting to fix the cluster problem for a while now. It would go off intermittently. Your method of using the multi meter pinpointed that it was indeed the cluster and not a ground or wire problem. Your drawing of what pins to check was great. Ordered new one and problem solved. Thanks!
@ 7:12 I love how he pretends to remove a bolt when the cluster is CLEARLY already unbolted. You can see it move when he pulls the bezel.
@Ron Ross he didn't said it was a bad thing..
We don't even mess with them,send the clusters out to get fully rebuilt with a lifetime warranty.No programing done under $100.00
Excellent!
Where to?
Website? Walter frederick
It was very irritating when you left the key in the ignition and the beeping while trying to understand what you were staying...Very DISTRACTING>
pins on cluster or subject to light oxidation causing gauges to work periodic clean plug with q-tip dipped in alcohol or use contact cleaner ,my trailblazer does it about once every couple years.will require gauges to be removed.
Crazy. I should probably do more autopsy work on these failures to heal us all learn more. Sadly that takes a significant amount of extra time but would really add to the quality of the video. Thanks for the info.
I love your channel. Turning problems into profit! That's great! And helping folks along the way. Had same prob, Helped me. Thanks!
Well I got no ac compressor no backup lights no dome lights can't dim the dash out no gauges no radio things I have replaced and Done had dash panel rebuilt changed all the fuses there hot with power all the relays checked every ground wire in and on and under the truck replaced the bcm with a new one new batteries the truck will start right up and drive with no problem and the dash has a abs light on battery light on air bag and check engine I even changed the fuse block took the dash apart and checked the wires and ground my heater works only thing is ac compressor not turning on I can jump the relay and it will freeze you out and least it won't let me scan it no connect yes I checked all the fuses and wires on that and least but not first the Chevy dealership had no clue what it could be so yep 47 years of being a mechanic this one has me
What did you do that’s was so good tell us what the dealership cost you like 500$ core we and another 500$ for part plus your labor for just replacingnit like that was so hard you showed nothing but switchingboutbparts
None of my gauges work the rpm is alll the way past max the speed don’t move at all and oil and battery says 0 any ideas 03 trailblazer
You are really great!! You teach so well. Thanks for all of the information you provided!
Ha car doctor ! I have an 04 envoy & my instrument lights , radio , seat warmer light goes out when you put it in gear & comes back on in park ?? An ideas ?? Or anybody else ???
whats up doc... cold here in the north east west side of ct burinng wood ,just stoped by to say god bless/godspeed/Dammm the torPEADOES full speed ahead!!! have anice thankxgiving...---...dealt with them clusters befor place near erico fixes them thoose things/god bless us all...---...
Hello I have a 2004 tahoe when I drive it an it jerks an turn off can you please tell me what it is
My cluster is just noisy and buzzing when driving has x27s don’t know why it makes noise maybe has bad connection
What to do about 04 Silverado high beams on when trucks off no key on ? Thanks
My speedometer is bouncing up and down or stays at 0 when driving. I've done replaced the VSS and no luck
Your video was a life saver! Other videos didn’t really help at all. I’m glad I came across you video!
Glad to see you used GM on this one. I’m not too sure our friend Dorman could live up to GM quality on this one 🤣.
And I don’t even want to find out. Haha.
The Car Doctor lmao I don’t either with the price of those things.
Me bateri 🔎🔋💡danw x cluster blaze 99 me have 2 blazers -'
How to do I check that for my speedometer. Only one not working.
BAD SOLDER POINTS ON THESE MODEL TRUCKS . HAD IT HAPPEN . SOLDERS CRACK AND CONNECTIONS ARE BAD .
Hi, I'm from Venezuela, thanks to this video, I was able to repair my clouster, I had a false contact, thanks for that.
04-18-23 fair, need brake pressed, truck will roll when lowering shift stick. Needed GM contact, a complete pin description, of the connector, would have been helpful.
Whats a GM contact? Just curious
This was literally the highlight of my month. I never thought to flex the damn thing and have it come to life!!! Simply amazing thank you so much!
Excellent.
Great video! You have a very hole some way of speaking. I intend to be a supporting from here on.
I need your help with my 03 cluster
Dude, you totally ruined this good video with the DOOR DINGING the WHOLE TIME, OMG!! How do you not hear that? It's all I hear.
That’s my customers coming in and out of my repair shop. I hear it. Have a better day Karen
My gauges work, but not all of the gauge lights dont, what could be the problem?
Replace old bulbs with Twist lock LEDs and looks great now
Low and behold, i twisted it and it woke up 😆
The 2 grounds under the drivers door might fix the fuel sending unit issue.
Thanks
Not positive it is an issue may have been low on fuel. I knew of the TSB for ABS issues related to those frame grounds but actually wasn’t aware of fuel level circuit problems. Good to know.
The Car Doctor I’m in the rust belt and buy/sell all GMT800 vehicles before they get crushed due to failed inspections. I usually clean up the grounds on the firewall, front core support, under drivers door, and tail light ground. You wouldn’t believe how many issues clear up because the computer doesn’t read zero with a bad ground!! Thanks for the videos!!
04 Sierra, same deal with the exception that in information cluster of the panel, it is lit up from left to right, like the barricades on space invaders.
Interesting. Haven’t seen that one. I’m betting on a bad cluster
Good day from Ont. Yea those thin gs are a pain. Mine went out. Met a fellow at landfill, all of his were gone. He said "keep up with traffic & fill up more often. Thanks
Haha. That’s one way to do it. Seems like if someone made a good replacement they could get rich!
Well I’ve got no power to b-9, b11, Now what??
General question here I guess. I recently replaced my instrument cluster. The connectors on the old one were a little mangled. The cluster had a constant check engine on but went a little nuts at an intersection and the truck died. I managed to get it started and pulled into a gas station. Got a ride to the salvage yard a few miles up the road and replaced it. So my question is related to what I noticed after replacing. The truck started up better than it did before(was a hard start once the truck had ran for a bit). Also the check engine that was on was no longer lit up. So to my question. Can the instrument cluster effect how the engine starts/runs? Like I said it went from having a hard start to it starting right up as soon as I turn the key.
Had an older Mazda 626. Kept going thru alternators and batteries. Just before replacing parts volt gauge would do weirded stuff and clicking sound from dash. Replaced the gauge cluster and had no trouble with alternator until I wrecked the car.
So I guess it's possible.
Very very common between 03 to 07 GM clusters. I've repaired the EMPROM and stepper motors. Replaced the bulbs to LED. Be sure you replace the x27 version. They are the updated ones from GM. Very easy to work on. If you have the hot air gun and decent solder gun, just don't pull it hard you'll break the copper in the board. Hope that helps.
Btw EMPROM are for the PRNDL light and mileage display. Easy to fix and some solders need to be reflowed. Simple lol
Maybe easy for you. I would probably melt the board and fry every capacitor on the thing before I got the solders fixed. Haha.
@@ThecardoctorTV hahaha, look at Eric O. He did one. It was his first time lol.
Eric is a sharp dude. I would trust him to do open heart surgery on me.
@@ThecardoctorTV me to!!!
I know this is an old comment,but if I take out the EMPROM from the 03-07 cluster can I just take one from an 99-02 cluster and have the PRNDL and mileage? If not,then which EMPROM (part #?) do I need. Thanx in advance 😎
Your a wise man, checking grounds first then fuses for power. To stop the ding ding ding on a lot of cars and trucks all you need to do flip the door latch. Just don't forget to unlatch before slamming the door, haha.
Yes, I knew that was going to be annoying. I think the latch would stop this one. I’ll give that a try next time. Blessings.
Pull the key!
It's possible that the old unit had a bad case of Cracus Solderus :-D
It's lasted well for its age, better than us lol.
I watch a youtuber that repairs clusters, the worse ones are where the owner/mechanic trys to fix it.
Often just makes it worse :-(
I should have tried to solder it back to life. That would have made for a better video at least. Or I should have set the old cluster on fire. Yes on fire. That would be fun.
@@ThecardoctorTV I believe I have a cluster repair techinition listed for Alaska in my "cluster repair network" video.
Thank G the binging stopped.🤯
GM's warranty on these were a complete joke and realistically only covered them until 7yrs/70k miles but if it was 7yrs/80k you had to pay for labor. I remember back then there wasn't really any good information out there but the speedometer on mine went out just past the 70k mile period which is ironic. From the information I've been reading lately that GM was replacing clusters but back then I thought it was only for the specific gauge that failed. I didn't want to take the chance with the dealer just replacing the one motor and found a guy on eBay from MN that replaced all of them which evidently was in 2011 and my truck is 2004 so right at the 7 yr mark. Today it is currently being shipped back to me after getting a full rebuild due to having the language scrolling issue, all the connections resoldered, the motors replaced with the latest revision along with adding the transmission temp. gauge.
Good old GM with their crappy clusters. There are a lot of companies in the lower 48 that only exist because of them. Good job as always.
Thanks and yes, they keep a lot of folks in business. Kinda like their fuel pumps do.
Why didn't you check the fuses before you took cluster out.thats what I need to know. It doesn't say cluster fuse.
What fuse?
Hi Doc. I'm trying to find the video where you address the issue of a stupid little piston that gets stuck in the Envoy-Trailblazer engines that makes you beleive that you have low pressure and for the computer to send a warning signal to turn off the engine. GM Engineers a doing a lousy job and GM never made a RECALL about this problem. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT I HAVE SEEN ON THE INTERNET AND on RUclips THAT HAVE FOUND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. I got it a little bit fixed using a LUCAS additive and changing to 40w oil. THIS PROBLEM IS DRIVING THOUSAND OF CONSUMERS CRAZY AND WASTING MONEY AND TIME REPLACING PARTS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED!!!! If you got the LINK, PLEASE POST IT HERE SO ME AND OTHERS CAN FIND IT. YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!! WELL DONE! YOU GOT MY RESPECT!!!
I have this exact same problem currently on my 2006 Silverado 1500. I am bringing it to my local Auto Electrician business. I have tried to change the IPC fuse, and that is about it before I pay a pretty penny to fix it. The truck runs fine, but I think the cluster has gone out at about 127,000 miles.
It used to be my Grandfather's truck that I inherited. I am trying to fix it well and drive it for how long I can.
So before I had no choice but to drive my avalanche it was parked for a while. And every time I went to run it for a while the odometer would jump at an alarming rate. I swear it was 100’s of thousands of miles but then the drivers info center only says odometer malfunction no gas mileage also. I’m not real sure exactly how many miles was on the truck Oh and the whole clusters needles go crazy every so often along with all the lights on the dash. Any advice?
Thank you for your videos👏, have you encountered any issues with a 2007 BMW 328i, no cluster lights, Push starting nothing/cranking nothing, car wiper going crazy like if the battery was dead
My 2005 Envoy dash lights flicker and the headlights sometimes do the same. Any suggestions. Thanks
Check your alternator for AC voltage
The Car Doctor
Thanks for the suggestion. How about a quick video on the best way to do so
We had to fix the clusters in my chevy trailblazer
What causes the chevy trailblazer to rev up and down while driving between 50-60 mph? Doesn't rev up and down below 50 or above 60. No check engine light on
Thank you for the explanation only thing that should be addressed…… turn off the key while explaining!!! The continue bells ring interceptor my ability to understand what you were explaining!! Other then that you made have hit the problem with my truck!
Watching your video. You mention that you can tighten the connector sockets where the wires go into. How do you tighten them? I tested the connector for the light swtich as well. both gave me 0.85 readings. So, what does that tell me (im no mechanic, lol) But the switch does work my lights in the van and my headlights. Its just the dial (lower switch). Its a new switch.
JFC turn off the key when you are talking that DING DING DING DING is driving me freaking nuts!
Mute audio. Most people just watch for eye candy anyway. 😂
@@ThecardoctorTV Eye candy? Kinda helps to hear wtf you are talking about... js...
very good well done as usual...
Thank you
Would a faulty instrament cluster cause wierd issues with the lock/unlock on the doors? I have this exact thing happening with my cluster but the doors are wiggy with the turn of my key.
My Gear indicator (PRND321) doesn’t always illuminate, at times it will magically work perfect. The weird thing is when it works my mirror displays the temp/compass. Both don’t work then both magically work I have tried so much.
Another weird thing is some of the times the compass lights up it’s all messed up and every line is lit up so it’s just a jumble of lines
9:58 alright everyone admit it...... We've ALL taken a flashlight to shine on some LCD/LEDs before we realized what we were doing. 😛😆👍 Lawd knows I have.
Just replaced my cluster 4 2003 trailblazer now the daytime/low beams won't come on.......I changed the hdm relay and 1 low beam light still nothing does it have anything to do with a bad instrument cluster???
Having elec problem with no park lites on 2004 chev 1500 crew cab. Ck bulbs good..ck power to bulbs..(no pwr)ck Fuze under hood and Fuze on rt side of dash any other places I should ck?? Grt content!!!
As always awesome video ! There’s a couple RUclips channels I watch that addresses these issues a lot - one is called Jeffescortexls or something like it and best pixel repair that’s really helpful if you had the time it may be nice to send them to repair . Check them out they have pretty good videos
Thanks. Of course time is my issue being located here and jobs that only pay an hour need a quick turnaround and this gets it out the door in 24 hours. I might dig a little deeper when one of my own clusters take a dump and I can make more of a production out of it. Thanks for the info.
I've also heard this jeffescortlx guy is pretty cool.
If this guy had a clue, he would know how to disconnect the dinger. Between the echo chamber that he works in and all the dinging, it is really aggravating to try to watch the video.
Rebuilt instrument panel. All the lights only work in the start position for just a second. The security light does not work in the on position. And can not get it to start. Only for a second then the Passkey 2 shuts it down. 2004 k1500.
So my cluster gauges quit working... I test the wiring harness and found no power to the b11 pin... I have had the cluster replaced by the dealership awhile ago... My question is where does the power supply come for that pin? All fuses are good... Thanks in advance...
Ok I checked all this. My issue is a dead cluster with just the check engine light on. But it only dies when there's rain or moisture or freezing. Power comes back after a few days when the weather is sunny and dry. I know I can't be the only one with this symptoms
Nice job!!!
Thank you! Flexing the cluster had no effect on mine.
I do have battery power to the plug behind it. Maybe the cluster is shot?
I have a 2003 Chevy Silverado 2500 heavy duty in the ground strap between the box and cab is broke where exactly does that attach to
I had this happen to me driving down the road. Then they came back. After I left the truck sit for an hour. I tried to start the truck . It starts and stalls. Tried it three times and it started and it was fine.
Ha ha, a 'wiggle test' done another way, great tip! Gotta think it is broken solder joints inside, I'd be taking it apart to try and reflow any joints I can get to. It is easy to see why a pro reaches for a proven reliable option.
Thanks. Yes I can’t afford to goof around with soldering boards since it just wouldn’t pay enough. I would dive a little deeper if it was my own rig for sure. Good of you to drop by. I sure love your channel!
Simple fix for me and I should have known , I went to napa, matched the cranking amp numbers to the truck , Wa Laaa !!!! after 8 months of grief , Problem solved !!!!
Great video... My cluster went out all of sudden on my 03 Cadillac Escalade EXT. My battery went dead so I'm charging it. I'm hoping that was the issues, but I will check all of the grounds and follow your instructions. Again thanks.
Lol take the circuit board out plug it back in and touch each resistor/diode with a pencil eraser until you find the one with the loose solder connection then resolder it. No need to buy a whole new cluster. I've been through that problem before 😂
How you get the mileage if you can’t see the mileage?
Last service records, etc.
Would this also make it not start. Having same issue the tru k trys to start starts rough then stalls. My cluster does the same thing.
Hello..with most of those cluster symptoms..can or will it affect my charging system in my 2004 yukon cuz i get battery draineg. Ive installed a dual battery with Stinger isolator and big three and slightly bigger alternator that's running a 3000 watt amp pushing 2 sundown 10's
Mines does this but when yoy plug an ob2 scanner in it works lol
Wow
I have a 04 Chevy Silverado and I have a problem with my cluster all gauges work but have no lights in the gauges. What could the problem be? Any info would help and be greatly appreciated
Quick question, I have an 02 savana and my cluster fuse popped, everytime I replaced the fuse it pops immediately. Any suggestions for a fix? I'm going to check all grounds and pull it out but curious on your thoughts? Thank you
One repair guy found an issue with the ground with the black and white wire at the odm hook up. I am going to try that first before having to replace a whole new cluster. Or do the reset too. But Thank you if all else fails.
Thank you Tim Im glad i played your video. I have a 2004 silverado 5.3 it has the same problem as your video. the only thing that my vehicle did not start. but same problem no communication, no dash gauges, no start. all grounds were intact. I will pull cluster and do full inspection. thank you thank you. again.
what about a 1991 gmc sierra? all my gauge stuff acts funky or doesn't work.
thanks for the help
Thanks for this. Very informative and it helped me diagnose the issue and i was able to fix it myself.
Is there anyway to fix this issue? Or is it a replacement only? I dont have the money to afford a replacement currently.